Very interesting to hear. Its often been said that die cast's stifle a drum but TBH they offer an almost pre compressed sound that almost seems to be tighter.
I just got a pearl free-floating Maple mahogany 14 x 6.5 snare drum with die-cast hoops.. although you are correct in saying diecast hoops are more focused and have less ring or sustain/ resonance. And that is truly correct.. however it depends on what type of shell the die-cast hoop is on.. this particular free floater obviously resonates very very well with diecast Hoops which probably has a lot to do with the free floater..it doesn't have any penetrating holes in its shell..and that she'll actually floats in between the top hoop and the floating hoop..than the bottom dicast hoop.( I will take a picture for a better visual of that system. that being said this particular shell has a beautiful tonal resonance cuppeled with a very nice sustain... perfect amount that i I prefer. Like you said earlier it just depends what type of drum it's on but basically in the Wheelhouse you are correct in your comparison assessment and Final opinion.It is audibly noticeable. So I agree👍 kudos !great video! keep up the good work!😎... I couldn't add a photo to this thread maybe I did something wrong if you wanted see what it looks like just Google Pearl free floating snare drum.... I'm not affiliated with pearl nor am I endorsed with anyone... this is just a personal assessment with my own personal snare drum.
Thanks for the video. It would have been nice to hear a snare head that isn't pre-muted like a standard 1 or 2 ply coated so we could hear the real differences. There are differences but the more you mute the head, the less apparent they will be.
Good stuff. I was wondering what the difference was as I just ordered a Ludwig Absolute brass snare. They off 2 variations with the diecast and triple flange with the diecast black nickel plated matching the black brass and the triple flange being chrome plated. I ordered the triple flange if nothing else because it is cheaper and aesthetically, the chrome pops against the black brass. As a non drummer I didn't hear much difference in other comparisons between the two, but in your comparison the triple flange sounded a bit tighter. Thanks, that makes me happy about my choice.
When considering the MASS of 1.6mm vs 2.3mm triple flanged hoops vs S-hoop vs die cast hoops, ask yourself these basic Q's: 1. how hard do you hit your drums? 2. how big are your sticks? 3. are you using single vs double-ply heads? The harder / heavier / thicker, the greater the benefits of using heavier hoops with respect to tuning accuracy, rimshot projection, and head life.
The thickness of the hoop is important. Triple flange hoops vary in thickness and your choice of a Drumcrsft Lignum Maple triple flanged hoop is not typical as they are thicker than most at 2.5mm. I know I’ve got one! The material also will effect sound. Steel, aluminium, copper, zinc and brass to name a few!!
No mention of the thickness of the hoops. I've tried the different styles and prefer the triple flange. However, in the triple flange, I prefer the 2.3 mm thickness over the brighter 1.6 mm thickness hoops. It's a personal thing. I am not saying that any one of these is best for everyone. I play lower volume jazz and this is my best compromise. If I played rock, my choice would be way different.
Yes especially on old aluminium snares. I know a guy who takes whatever the hoops may be, cast/ s-hoops/ Triple flanged 2.6mm or whatever and put those thinner hoops on the snares. Personally I’m a die cast or S-Hoops kind of person.
forget the sound. which hoops are best to make that bastard not detune after a couple of songs? those god damn lugs turn loose so fast itßs not even funny. and i dont even hit extremely hard.
@@drumdog same S shape, but an S has a wider flange going inwards than the mapex sonic savers. S hoops are a bit more dry controlled than sonic savers, which dont seem to be around anymore either, so S hoops look to be the only alternative. There is also 3mm triples which are cool
Very interesting to hear. Its often been said that die cast's stifle a drum but TBH they offer an almost pre compressed sound that almost seems to be tighter.
I just got a pearl free-floating Maple mahogany 14 x 6.5 snare drum with die-cast hoops.. although you are correct in saying diecast hoops are more focused and have less ring or sustain/ resonance. And that is truly correct.. however it depends on what type of shell the die-cast hoop is on.. this particular free floater obviously resonates very very well with diecast Hoops which probably has a lot to do with the free floater..it doesn't have any penetrating holes in its shell..and that she'll actually floats in between the top hoop and the floating hoop..than the bottom dicast hoop.( I will take a picture for a better visual of that system. that being said this particular shell has a beautiful tonal resonance cuppeled with a very nice sustain... perfect amount that i I prefer. Like you said earlier it just depends what type of drum it's on but basically in the Wheelhouse you are correct in your comparison assessment and Final opinion.It is audibly noticeable. So I agree👍 kudos !great video! keep up the good work!😎... I couldn't add a photo to this thread maybe I did something wrong if you wanted see what it looks like just Google Pearl free floating snare drum.... I'm not affiliated with pearl nor am I endorsed with anyone... this is just a personal assessment with my own personal snare drum.
Thanks! Great video! All 3 were very close. The S hoop seemed to have it all. Great rim shot crack, & lively ring.
just scored 2 3mm gibraltar triple flange power hoops for the tama snare can't wait to test 'em out with the aquarian reflector
I think it’s more about the ring. However my take is this. I prefer die cast because of the feel. Just a bit stiffer and more focused.
Thanks for the video. It would have been nice to hear a snare head that isn't pre-muted like a standard 1 or 2 ply coated so we could hear the real differences. There are differences but the more you mute the head, the less apparent they will be.
I think the HD Dry head is keeping the hoops from making a bigger difference since it already kills so much ring.
Good stuff. I was wondering what the difference was as I just ordered a Ludwig Absolute brass snare. They off 2 variations with the diecast and triple flange with the diecast black nickel plated matching the black brass and the triple flange being chrome plated. I ordered the triple flange if nothing else because it is cheaper and aesthetically, the chrome pops against the black brass. As a non drummer I didn't hear much difference in other comparisons between the two, but in your comparison the triple flange sounded a bit tighter. Thanks, that makes me happy about my choice.
Ooops. Universal, not absolute. The Yamaha kit is still on my mind.
When considering the MASS of 1.6mm vs 2.3mm triple flanged hoops vs S-hoop vs die cast hoops, ask yourself these basic Q's: 1. how hard do you hit your drums? 2. how big are your sticks? 3. are you using single vs double-ply heads? The harder / heavier / thicker, the greater the benefits of using heavier hoops with respect to tuning accuracy, rimshot projection, and head life.
I agree with the die-cast and triple flange. I don't really find a significant difference between flanged and Shoops
I was waiting to hear the sound diference when doing cross stick
The thickness of the hoop is important. Triple flange hoops vary in thickness and your choice of a Drumcrsft Lignum Maple triple flanged hoop is not typical as they are thicker than most at 2.5mm. I know I’ve got one! The material also will effect sound. Steel, aluminium, copper, zinc and brass to name a few!!
Triple flange is better for fat sound?
thanks
S hoop 🎼🥁🎼🥁❤️
No mention of the thickness of the hoops. I've tried the different styles and prefer the triple flange. However, in the triple flange, I prefer the 2.3 mm thickness over the brighter 1.6 mm thickness hoops. It's a personal thing. I am not saying that any one of these is best for everyone. I play lower volume jazz and this is my best compromise. If I played rock, my choice would be way different.
For me, in this comparison, I think I liked the sound of the die cast hoops best.
I'm new to this topic so...how can i know wich hoop is what? In case that i wanted to buy one so they don't trick me? Lol ...😂🤔
Those are not S Hoops, they are Sonic Saver Hoops.
Spot on! I got confused for a minute.
Yeah not S-hoops for sure.
same inwards curve shape but yeah an S has a wider flange going inwards than the sonic saver
I just go with whatever hoop my drums come with. This sh!t gets expensive , heads alone are ridiculous , add hoops , sticks etc. , lol.
S-hoops wins all day long on this particular snare!
I prefer triple flanged, there's much more life to the drum in my opinion.
Personally i mostly prefer thin 1.6mm hoops on my drums.
Yes especially on old aluminium snares. I know a guy who takes whatever the hoops may be, cast/ s-hoops/ Triple flanged 2.6mm or whatever and put those thinner hoops on the snares. Personally I’m a die cast or S-Hoops kind of person.
I don’t hear the difference in hoops. I can hear the difference in snare tension
Triple flanged for me.
I hear no difference between the triple flanged and the s hoops. The die cast are drier.
definitely the die cast
forget the sound. which hoops are best to make that bastard not detune after a couple of songs? those god damn lugs turn loose so fast itßs not even funny. and i dont even hit extremely hard.
Those are not S-hoops
What shape would you call them?
@@drumdog you do realize there are S-hoops and these are Sonic Saver hoops from Mapex. Do some research and you will see the difference.
@@drumdog same S shape, but an S has a wider flange going inwards than the mapex sonic savers. S hoops are a bit more dry controlled than sonic savers, which dont seem to be around anymore either, so S hoops look to be the only alternative. There is also 3mm triples which are cool