9:12 Counterpoint: While DeSu does look visually more interesting than Tactica, you don't give enough credit to P5T for its seamless implementation of verticality into the combat system, imo granting it the far more interesting map catalog than either of the DeSu games, which are comparatively quite uninteresting with little going on in their layouts. The way that many of these arenas are designed are actually quite clever with how it handles enemy placement, and how it rewards you for taking full advantage of all of the factors in each map.
To give an extra point of reference, P5T's very in-line with the Q games. The story even follows basically the exact same structure those ones did. So if a PQ with tactics gameplay and just P5 characters sounds like something you'd like you probably will.
I'm glad someone pointed this out. I'm almost done with the game and while I'm enjoying the story, I couldn't help but notice how similar in structure the story is to the PQ games. It does personally make me happy since PQ are my favorite Persona spin-off series, so having a P5-PQ type of experience has been far up my alley.
@@karmskorner6430 Personally I'm fine with it. The P5 cast have some of the best group dynamics in the series, so if anyone was able to carry a quirky chibi spinoff game, it was them. Plus having to focus on less characters meant there was a lot less of the akihiko protein or yusuke is broke so therefore hungry type jokes that plagued the Q games.
One extra thing I want to say regarding the story is that while we don't really see any new sides of the P5 cast as you mentioned, I do appreciate the moments when the Phantom Thieves relate to the problems Toshiro and Erina face. Light spoilers but I love seeing Haru relate to Toshiro when it comes to doing things to appease your father despite it not being what you really want to do, or Ryuji letting Toshiro know he understands what it's like to have a rough time in school with teachers, but you have to keep moving forward. It's stuff like this that stands out to me a lot and helps with the writing to make it where the P5 cast doesn't feel off from a writing perspective.
I think the game is cute and fun and nothing crazy but I’m still not tired of persona 5 cast like some people are , I ALSO love the chibi art haha so this game is just cool to me
I will say I'm absolutely loving this game. It fills the void that wanted more P5 content but also wanted more PQ content. I think it's top 5 when it comes to Persona spin-offs. Maybe even top 3. The best spin-off is still Persona 5 Strikers followed by Persona Q2, but after that it's really a toss up between P4 Ultimax and P5 Tactica. I'll probably see how I feel once the credits roll (in endgame territory right now) on whether I definitively like it more than Ultimax, but it's great stuff all around. Now to wait for P3 Reload coming out in...3 months!
Its a tactical RPG IMO. What I consider true strategy RPGs are very rare, and even rarer on consoles. The gameplay in tactical RPGs focus on individual battles while strategy RPGs focus more on running a war or campaign. For example I would list the Ogre Battle games as Strategy RPGs but the Tactics Ogre, Fire Emblem, Valkyria Chronicles, this, and the Devil Survivor games all as tactical RPGs. I'm having a lot of fun with Tactica so far though a few of the sidequests were frustrating, and I really wish you could deploy a larger force. Three member parties are ok for nrmal RPGs but tactical RPGs are more fun with a larger force in play IMO. I'm still early in the second kingdom.
Got to hand it to this game for having about 100 different songs in it. It's not the most memorable soundtrack they've produced, but I admire the dedication. Also, while the story isn't amazing or anything, I still enjoyed it. I loved the story it told with Toshiro and Erina (arguably, it's better than Zenkichi and Sophia from P5S). 8/10 game for me, second best spinoff they've made
Strategy games are more grand is scale and scope. Think stuff like Civilization. Tactical games are smaller scale, where you're directly commanding the movements and actions of individual units.
I wish the plot wasnt so boring. i found myself sleeping during the plot talk. and actually really enjoying the gameplay segments. the gameplay is actually really damn fun I know persona is known for its hours of yapping but im willing to sit through that yapathon if its a good story.
I really liked it! The gameplay was so much fun and while indeed the story is kinda... nothing in the first two chapters of the game it got really emotional during the third one. I just love Toshiro's and Erina's relationship it's too wholesome I love them
P5 tactica is of course a tactical rpg,I doubt strategy rpg even exist. English is not my mother tongue ,so explaining the difference between tactics and strategy is very difficult for me. But in short ,strategy is the ultimate goal , tactic is how you achieve that goal ,for example,my strategy is not to let my enemy get a piece of land on the sea so he can't access the sea freely and not compromise my control over the sea , that's my strategy, and it is absolute,it can't change,it is my ultimate goal , tactics is the way I do it ,I can do it with diplomacy by letting others take over those lands or by conquering them myself and so on . tactics can change , strategy can't. Tactics is what you do now to achieve your strategy. Tactic is present,strategy is future. Persona or the other tactic rpg can't be strategic cause they have a story and chose the path for you ,they let you choose how to fight (tactic) but they don't let you have a strategy of your own in mind . Civilization or Europa universalis are strategy games cause they let you decide the strategy of your country. I hope my explanation was understandable....I'm sure I made a mess😂😂
I was like "oh wait, Macca hasn't upload on a while, what is he cooking?". *1 hour ago* Well, that sure is convinient. The dif between strategy and tactics is that strategy is the full plan while tactics is the steps of that plan. I have never heard of a "tactical" genra in my live so IDK.
As far as the difference between Strategy RPG and a Strategy Game, I think it has to do with characters. SRPGs, you're typically controlling unique characters. In strategy games, Not so much, since you can create units on an assembly line, which makes them feel less like people and more like equipment or machines that you order around. Is there really a difference between one marine and another? No, Barracks in Starcraft churn out the same ones every time. While unit classes might be represent with a portrait that has a personality, the unit types all exhibit the same personality.
Some points are valid, but being mad that the game needs to make an excuse to have gameplay is really not a good point (, like who doesn't want an excuse for more gameplay?) Personally I welcome the excuses because I really hated the long dragged out story bits in P5 before a palace was introduced. I felt like some of those parts could have been written to be shorter in P5/P5R. I think the level design for the most part is fine. They do change it up enough that it isn't a bore to look at, but the only exception to this is the final Kingdom, but this seems to be deliberately done due to story reasons (not sure what to think about that). I actually really like the artstyle of P5T more so than the PQ series (I don't like PQ's artstyle). The chibi artstyle is all about deformity and PQ's artstyle has a character's body that's a bit too realistic and clashes with the chibi looking heads of the character. P5T embraces deformity to its fullest giving it a really stylized look. I think the P5T artstyle is more well suited for the game despite everyone else's very menkui complaints. If the artstyle (plus colorization) was normal then it would be tough to make out details when you have to really zoom out to look at the whole map.
The tactical RPG gameplay is what had me much more excited about P5T than P3R. And the combat is great. The main thing that stops it being a 10/10 game is how starting the game feels like turning on the TV halfway through a movie. You get zero introduction to the world, the protagonist or any of the 'phantom thieves', and it's so disconcerting how a character called Ryuji will appear, say one line, and the next time we see them their name is 'Skull' and they are wearing completely different clothes. Like, Atlus had to have known that two groups are going to be buying this game - existing Persona fans, and the millions of TTRPG fans who have never played a Persona game before.
I'm actually really down with the Tactica artstyle. It's very cute but also cool, like Panty and Stocking. The gameplay? Not so much. Was never a fan of the XCOM/Mario+Rabbids gameplay style and tactical RPGs are REALLY hard to sell me on since I usually suck at them. They have to have some sort of cool gimmick to get me hooked like FE Three Houses persona-esque time management and life simulation elements and DeSu's replayability and heavy RPG mechanics. Honestly the more RPG mechanic heavy and the less "strategic" a SRPG is the more likely I'll get invested. Also SRPG and TRPG are literally the same thing. People only get confused because of snobbish PC RPG fans insist that their "manly mature strategy games" like Total War, Civilization, or Starcraft aren't the same genre as actually fun anime tactics games like Fire Emblem or DeSu. They are, no matter how much anime hating neckbeard dudebros like to say otherwise.
Oh that's a shame about the story. Persona 5 strikers was incredible and it felt like the story really was part 2 of this story. I thought P5 Tactica would have at least had a good story.
I think the SRPG and TRPG differences are essentially kinda JRPGs and western RPGs. S is closer to XCOM, with a focus on cover and shooting, T is closer to Fire Emblem. This is only what I think but that would make P5T a SRPG. Idk, genre names are stupid and people get too caught up over them, I vote we call every a -like. XCOM and P5T are MarioRabbid-likes
to me a SRPG is more about managing resources over a long campaign eg xcoms reboot. games like this are more about tactics via small skirmishes. if anything mario-rabbid likes are xcom-reboot likes
XCOM came out ages before Mario+Rabbids. If anything Mario+Rabbids was inspired by XCOM than the other way around, especially since they had the same devs. (Ubisoft)
Seems like it. Persona 5 is nearly a decade old. It's time to move on to Persona 6. Fun fact, it has been longer now between the releases of Persona 5 and whatever comes next than the wait between Persona 4 and Persona 5. Heck, Persona 5 was announced in 2012 which was only 3 years after Persona 4 released, (2009) while meanwhile we have waited 8 years for even an ANNOUNCEMENT of Persona 6. Based on what I've seen Persona 6 isn't even in DEVELOPMENT over at Atlus. They seemed to be fully focused on ReFantasio right now and an unknown SMT title that will release in 2025 or 2026. It's unknown what that title will be but the possibilities include SMT6, Devil Survivor 3, or an SMT1 remake. Out of these an SMT1 remake is the most likely by far since SMT5 was still pretty recent. Soul Hackers 3 isn't happening anytime soon if at all due to the failure of SH2, so don't count on that one. Reviving one of their super dead sub-series like DemiKids or Majin Tensei or Last Bible is also extremely unlikely. 2024: Persona 3 Reload in February, ReFantasio in December 2025: Unknown SMT project 2026: Remasters (most likely SMT4/4A or DDS, maybe both) 2027: Persona 6??? (10 year anniversary of P5 western release)
It's meh the gamplay is a massive let down, i love x com and marvel midnight suns you have to actually have to be on point on them games, this feels like a stripped down version of a tactics game, also you only have two options in term like perosna or move lol x com there's tons midnight suns there's tons of options this falls flat I'm afraid. Here's hoping p3 remake is good fingers crossed
9:12 Counterpoint: While DeSu does look visually more interesting than Tactica, you don't give enough credit to P5T for its seamless implementation of verticality into the combat system, imo granting it the far more interesting map catalog than either of the DeSu games, which are comparatively quite uninteresting with little going on in their layouts. The way that many of these arenas are designed are actually quite clever with how it handles enemy placement, and how it rewards you for taking full advantage of all of the factors in each map.
To give an extra point of reference, P5T's very in-line with the Q games. The story even follows basically the exact same structure those ones did. So if a PQ with tactics gameplay and just P5 characters sounds like something you'd like you probably will.
It should have just been a pQ title and had the full freaking cast, especially for a tactics game!
I'm glad someone pointed this out. I'm almost done with the game and while I'm enjoying the story, I couldn't help but notice how similar in structure the story is to the PQ games.
It does personally make me happy since PQ are my favorite Persona spin-off series, so having a P5-PQ type of experience has been far up my alley.
@@karmskorner6430 Personally I'm fine with it. The P5 cast have some of the best group dynamics in the series, so if anyone was able to carry a quirky chibi spinoff game, it was them. Plus having to focus on less characters meant there was a lot less of the akihiko protein or yusuke is broke so therefore hungry type jokes that plagued the Q games.
One extra thing I want to say regarding the story is that while we don't really see any new sides of the P5 cast as you mentioned, I do appreciate the moments when the Phantom Thieves relate to the problems Toshiro and Erina face.
Light spoilers but I love seeing Haru relate to Toshiro when it comes to doing things to appease your father despite it not being what you really want to do, or Ryuji letting Toshiro know he understands what it's like to have a rough time in school with teachers, but you have to keep moving forward.
It's stuff like this that stands out to me a lot and helps with the writing to make it where the P5 cast doesn't feel off from a writing perspective.
I think the game is cute and fun and nothing crazy but I’m still not tired of persona 5 cast like some people are , I ALSO love the chibi art haha so this game is just cool to me
Fantastic review Macca! Agree on the mixing and the side quests being really fun!
I will say I'm absolutely loving this game. It fills the void that wanted more P5 content but also wanted more PQ content. I think it's top 5 when it comes to Persona spin-offs. Maybe even top 3. The best spin-off is still Persona 5 Strikers followed by Persona Q2, but after that it's really a toss up between P4 Ultimax and P5 Tactica. I'll probably see how I feel once the credits roll (in endgame territory right now) on whether I definitively like it more than Ultimax, but it's great stuff all around.
Now to wait for P3 Reload coming out in...3 months!
Its a tactical RPG IMO. What I consider true strategy RPGs are very rare, and even rarer on consoles. The gameplay in tactical RPGs focus on individual battles while strategy RPGs focus more on running a war or campaign. For example I would list the Ogre Battle games as Strategy RPGs but the Tactics Ogre, Fire Emblem, Valkyria Chronicles, this, and the Devil Survivor games all as tactical RPGs.
I'm having a lot of fun with Tactica so far though a few of the sidequests were frustrating, and I really wish you could deploy a larger force. Three member parties are ok for nrmal RPGs but tactical RPGs are more fun with a larger force in play IMO. I'm still early in the second kingdom.
Just starting but I swear Morgana and Ryuji teamed up to insult a villain in P5 Strikers in Okinawa
Got to hand it to this game for having about 100 different songs in it. It's not the most memorable soundtrack they've produced, but I admire the dedication. Also, while the story isn't amazing or anything, I still enjoyed it. I loved the story it told with Toshiro and Erina (arguably, it's better than Zenkichi and Sophia from P5S).
8/10 game for me, second best spinoff they've made
Admittedly I’ve never played Persona 5 but this was the perfect introduction to the game for me
Thats a real good title for the video Macca
I have exactly the same experience with it as you, beat it this morning and its one of the best persona spinoffs, fucking loved it
Macca is a good UA-camr
Strategy games are more grand is scale and scope. Think stuff like Civilization. Tactical games are smaller scale, where you're directly commanding the movements and actions of individual units.
Tactical rpg = turn by turn decision matter most
Strategy rpg = big picture decision making about development matters most
Persona 5 Tactica is like Mario and Rabbids? I'm sold!
I wish the plot wasnt so boring.
i found myself sleeping during the plot talk.
and actually really enjoying the gameplay segments.
the gameplay is actually really damn fun
I know persona is known for its hours of yapping but im willing to sit through that yapathon if its a good story.
Also yes the audio mixing was annoying. i thought i was going crazy
@@fluke7506 Yoshiki was especially bad. I'm pretty sure that if I muted the music I would still have trouble hearing him.
i can agree on that though and yeah its fun
7:46 THANK YOU!!!
They should've added the Rabbids and add waifu Rabbids. Would've made the game a massive instant hit.
I really liked it! The gameplay was so much fun and while indeed the story is kinda... nothing in the first two chapters of the game it got really emotional during the third one. I just love Toshiro's and Erina's relationship it's too wholesome I love them
P5 tactica is of course a tactical rpg,I doubt strategy rpg even exist.
English is not my mother tongue ,so explaining the difference between tactics and strategy is very difficult for me.
But in short ,strategy is the ultimate goal , tactic is how you achieve that goal ,for example,my strategy is not to let my enemy get a piece of land on the sea so he can't access the sea freely and not compromise my control over the sea , that's my strategy, and it is absolute,it can't change,it is my ultimate goal , tactics is the way I do it ,I can do it with diplomacy by letting others take over those lands or by conquering them myself and so on . tactics can change , strategy can't.
Tactics is what you do now to achieve your strategy.
Tactic is present,strategy is future.
Persona or the other tactic rpg can't be strategic cause they have a story and chose the path for you ,they let you choose how to fight (tactic) but they don't let you have a strategy of your own in mind .
Civilization or Europa universalis are strategy games cause they let you decide the strategy of your country.
I hope my explanation was understandable....I'm sure I made a mess😂😂
Wish I could agree. I can’t get past the first quest on easy mode.
I was like "oh wait, Macca hasn't upload on a while, what is he cooking?".
*1 hour ago*
Well, that sure is convinient.
The dif between strategy and tactics is that strategy is the full plan while tactics is the steps of that plan.
I have never heard of a "tactical" genra in my live so IDK.
I think another reason this game did excite most was because everyone was anticipating a sequel to Arena
As far as the difference between Strategy RPG and a Strategy Game, I think it has to do with characters. SRPGs, you're typically controlling unique characters. In strategy games, Not so much, since you can create units on an assembly line, which makes them feel less like people and more like equipment or machines that you order around. Is there really a difference between one marine and another? No, Barracks in Starcraft churn out the same ones every time. While unit classes might be represent with a portrait that has a personality, the unit types all exhibit the same personality.
Some points are valid, but being mad that the game needs to make an excuse to have gameplay is really not a good point (, like who doesn't want an excuse for more gameplay?) Personally I welcome the excuses because I really hated the long dragged out story bits in P5 before a palace was introduced. I felt like some of those parts could have been written to be shorter in P5/P5R. I think the level design for the most part is fine. They do change it up enough that it isn't a bore to look at, but the only exception to this is the final Kingdom, but this seems to be deliberately done due to story reasons (not sure what to think about that).
I actually really like the artstyle of P5T more so than the PQ series (I don't like PQ's artstyle). The chibi artstyle is all about deformity and PQ's artstyle has a character's body that's a bit too realistic and clashes with the chibi looking heads of the character. P5T embraces deformity to its fullest giving it a really stylized look. I think the P5T artstyle is more well suited for the game despite everyone else's very menkui complaints. If the artstyle (plus colorization) was normal then it would be tough to make out details when you have to really zoom out to look at the whole map.
They best not forget these events(I haven't beaten the Game yet
I love the phantom thieves, yet i seriously need a persona 6. I've replied all the others, so many times. That it's losing its fun for me
I'm actually a really big fan of the Artstyle
The tactical RPG gameplay is what had me much more excited about P5T than P3R.
And the combat is great. The main thing that stops it being a 10/10 game is how starting the game feels like turning on the TV halfway through a movie.
You get zero introduction to the world, the protagonist or any of the 'phantom thieves', and it's so disconcerting how a character called Ryuji will appear, say one line, and the next time we see them their name is 'Skull' and they are wearing completely different clothes.
Like, Atlus had to have known that two groups are going to be buying this game - existing Persona fans, and the millions of TTRPG fans who have never played a Persona game before.
One thing I will say is that if you replace the P5 cast with the P4 cast, literally nothing changes
this game exists, ain't no devil summoner game
I'm actually really down with the Tactica artstyle. It's very cute but also cool, like Panty and Stocking. The gameplay? Not so much. Was never a fan of the XCOM/Mario+Rabbids gameplay style and tactical RPGs are REALLY hard to sell me on since I usually suck at them. They have to have some sort of cool gimmick to get me hooked like FE Three Houses persona-esque time management and life simulation elements and DeSu's replayability and heavy RPG mechanics. Honestly the more RPG mechanic heavy and the less "strategic" a SRPG is the more likely I'll get invested. Also SRPG and TRPG are literally the same thing. People only get confused because of snobbish PC RPG fans insist that their "manly mature strategy games" like Total War, Civilization, or Starcraft aren't the same genre as actually fun anime tactics games like Fire Emblem or DeSu. They are, no matter how much anime hating neckbeard dudebros like to say otherwise.
2:43 i think we will get p6 in 2026
Kind of funny i bought the game 2 days im really enjoying it now came back on youtube now there more people playing it and streaming it
Wish party size is the usual 4
Oh that's a shame about the story. Persona 5 strikers was incredible and it felt like the story really was part 2 of this story. I thought P5 Tactica would have at least had a good story.
How you doing Macca? Is work tiring you out or do you have something else going on?
I am doing great, thank you for asking! I'm job searching right now and that in of itself is tiring but beyond that I'm doing fine!
To me the character art style reminds me of panty and stocking down to the noodle limb purportions
I think the SRPG and TRPG differences are essentially kinda JRPGs and western RPGs. S is closer to XCOM, with a focus on cover and shooting, T is closer to Fire Emblem. This is only what I think but that would make P5T a SRPG. Idk, genre names are stupid and people get too caught up over them, I vote we call every a -like. XCOM and P5T are MarioRabbid-likes
to me a SRPG is more about managing resources over a long campaign eg xcoms reboot. games like this are more about tactics via small skirmishes. if anything mario-rabbid likes are xcom-reboot likes
XCOM came out ages before Mario+Rabbids. If anything Mario+Rabbids was inspired by XCOM than the other way around, especially since they had the same devs. (Ubisoft)
the game has 3 enemies and 100 chromas
If Persona 5 Tactica is a good game, why is there no Persona 5 Tactica 2?
but the fact we only run in battle and just get so much dialogue..? that kinda pisses me off.
Persona 5
Strategy rpgs are like fire emblem, tactics rpgs are like final fantasy tactics; and/or tactics are isometric
fans are finally tired of Persona 5 and the initial sales for Tactica are showing it, first week sales are not looking good
Seems like it. Persona 5 is nearly a decade old. It's time to move on to Persona 6. Fun fact, it has been longer now between the releases of Persona 5 and whatever comes next than the wait between Persona 4 and Persona 5. Heck, Persona 5 was announced in 2012 which was only 3 years after Persona 4 released, (2009) while meanwhile we have waited 8 years for even an ANNOUNCEMENT of Persona 6. Based on what I've seen Persona 6 isn't even in DEVELOPMENT over at Atlus. They seemed to be fully focused on ReFantasio right now and an unknown SMT title that will release in 2025 or 2026. It's unknown what that title will be but the possibilities include SMT6, Devil Survivor 3, or an SMT1 remake. Out of these an SMT1 remake is the most likely by far since SMT5 was still pretty recent. Soul Hackers 3 isn't happening anytime soon if at all due to the failure of SH2, so don't count on that one. Reviving one of their super dead sub-series like DemiKids or Majin Tensei or Last Bible is also extremely unlikely.
2024: Persona 3 Reload in February, ReFantasio in December
2025: Unknown SMT project
2026: Remasters (most likely SMT4/4A or DDS, maybe both)
2027: Persona 6??? (10 year anniversary of P5 western release)
At times I question my decision to get this over Pikmin 4. And that’s what I hate the most. Buyers remorse.
Should have gotten Octopath 2 if you were looking for a good RPG. Or got Mario RPG Remake which released on literally the same exact day.
@@KrimsonKattYT well I am very enjoying tactica. I’m the wierd persona fan that loves the Q games
:3
It's meh the gamplay is a massive let down, i love x com and marvel midnight suns you have to actually have to be on point on them games, this feels like a stripped down version of a tactics game, also you only have two options in term like perosna or move lol x com there's tons midnight suns there's tons of options this falls flat I'm afraid. Here's hoping p3 remake is good fingers crossed