The new 2027 Toyota Celica is MID-ENGINE - Here's what Japan's saying...
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
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Toyota recently confirmed the Celica is returning. But new information coming from Japan claims the MR-2 and the Celica could have been the same car all along.
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Sadly it doesnt matter how nice and how cheap they make this car, dealerships are going to kill them here in the US
I wish we could just order it straight from the Toyota factory, they could like ship them at low quantities at a time over seas.
why do you guys have third party dealerships anyway?
@@deocrat 🦅🇺🇸
You mean big mark ups?
@@joshingwithyahaha Like Tesla does
A mid engine car being cheaper than the Supra would be shocking
Won’t happen. Starting will be over $60k..
No never 😂
It may be possible by avoiding payments to BMW and Magna Steyr to make it happen.
Well there was the mr2 which was mid engine, and cheaper than the supra
It'll be cheaper than the NEW Supra which will probably have a base MSRP of around 60K when it comes out lmao
My biggest guess is that they’re gonna combine both vehicles, the Celica and the MR2 into the same mid engine vehicle, but have both nameplates as trims. Having the base rwd trim being the MR2, a mid tier awd MR2 Trim, and a top GR Celica Trim with awd and high motor output. Just a guess.
And a price greater than both of them combined would be my guess
Looks a lot different than my 1973 Celica GT
I’m guessing that you’re guessing.
There was a Celica supra before..... But we shall see
Agree with you and i also believe they will have different body design for each of them. They will use the same frame and share many of the same parts and tuned different. Making cost effective.
These cars are exciting, but I’m holding my breath until I see a price. Who are these cars marketed too if they’re too out of reach for most people. As far as “too many sports cars” personally, I don’t think we can have enough. A lot of cars today are way too boring. We need passion and character back into these machines. I want my car to have a soul
It’ll be easily over $60k for a base celica. Toyota wants to be the premium sports car builder..thinking the rich will suddenly see Toyota as elite lol.
@ that’s fucked man, the days of being a poor enthusiast are dying lmao
@@jimjohnson4072Toyota already has vehicles over 60k. No difference " the rich" 😂
Same here
@@jimjohnson4072 a $60k - $80k sports car is hardly "elite" anymore, as sad as that is.
Couple options:
Supra continues to be BMW collab
Celica is the 2-door coupe
Celica MR2 is the Spyder/Targa version
If I'm Toyota's product planner I would retcon MR to denote a mid-rear configuration and put that badge to good use by calling the mid-engined rear-wheel drive spec a Celica MR2 and the mid-engined all-wheel drive a Celica MR4. Both would have to have a turbo 4 making about 300 bhp. A Celica Supra would be rear-wheel drive with an inline-6 making probably 425 bhp, and a Supra MR4 would be all-wheel drive with the same power output. Developments will eventually pull the Supra's inline-6 past the 500 bhp mark, leaving room for a lightweight Celica GR4 with all wheel drive and an inline-4 making 400+ bhp. That's the one Chris Harris would never stop talking about.
I have a 2024 GR Corolla and thoughts of a new Celica has me super hyped.
Feeling like a teenager in the 90s
giggity
I sold my 24 gr corolla to get the new celica
Offer a T top or convertible and this will sell.
@@NorthKrumb, bit premature then lol (-MY25 GRC owner)
@@DylanTK Lol
No such thing as "Too Many Sport Cars"
If it not a work vehicle, or a luxury... It HAS to be sporty.
No one wants a missionary car anymore.
That's not what most NPC people think.
If Toyota brings out a new MR2 with a price tag not that different from the 86 twins then my lord, it'll sell like hot cakes. Plus that platform will become legendary.
Toyota axed the 4-cyl Supra. I'm willing to bet this will be in the mid-$40k's to slot in between the GR Corolla and 6cyl Supra. There's no way it's going to be less than $40k with a turbo + midship + AWD, and no way it's going to be equal or more to the Supra.
Dream on, it will cost as much as new porsche Cayman and they will slap GR badge to justify that
@@alphaenterprise2232 TBF, I'd take an alternative to the 718 Cayman if they can make it sound good while having Toyota reliability/maintenance costs versus Porsche maintenance costs, and that's coming from someone that loves Porsche. I'd much rather get a 981 Cayman at this point in time, if I were to go down that route.
@johnconcentrius for the awd version, give us a base rwd version for 30k
@@alphaenterprise2232 Yeah facts probably
why call it a celica then when it is nothing like the celica's of past and is more or less a mr2?
Well it is supposed to be awd the Mr2 was never awd.
Just call it a MR4😂
I think if they badged it an MR2 it might be expected to be smaller in interior space.
@@FatSn8kebest answer
it makes more sense for the celica to be the continuation of the GR Yaris, especially considering the 2027 WRC regulations; mr2 idea/type of a car is completely different, thus, it makes little sense to have both cars combined into one.
One needs to be a mid-engined sports car, probably a cayman competitor, and the other needs to be a sporty(sport!) mass market car.
Also, I do not really understand why they want to overlap the 86 and the celica, as both have occupied the same market space, from a historical point of view.
Also, a cayman competitor should replace the supra, thus, that as well should take a brake.
I am really scared about the price tag
Well I, totally enjoy my restored 1995 Toyota Celica Gt beautiful ride with complete racing body kit upgrade I, love it.
No, it won't. The only new mid-engine sportscar will be the MR2, the next GR86 will get a name change back to Celica and there's going to be a new Supra with a Toyota engine.
This would be ideal
My bet is that we'll get a reveal in the Japan Mobility Show next this coming year
I am hoping Tokyo Auto Salon next month..But I think the end of 25 is more probable like you say
mr2 actually always ahead of supra in track performance and quarter mile times.
Frankly with all the talk with return of Prelude / luxury oriented coupe concept , i thought that was setting the stage for Toyota’s equivalent! The Celica was always a car that never was pure ‘sports’ more like a luxury personal coupe.
No, it was basically a Corolla coupe lol. Hence why it used the same engine as the Corolla. 1zz-fe and 2zz-fe, were its last engines. Both available for the Corolla at that time.
Now, it’s gonna be about $60k base..
Or as Matt Watson says, "It was the Poverty Spec version of the Supra!"
@@jimjohnson4072 Dude stop throwing around numbers like you know what you are talking about.
@@jimjohnson4072 Celica started off as a Mustang clone though essentially (which was this GT coupe thing the op was getting at) and they didn’t start changing it over to that fwd car until they branched the Supra off. It’s about time they just went back to a pseudo version of the RWD and later rally AWD versions. But price will probably match.
Nobody cares about the prelude
Thats the new MR2 in thumbnail which will be close to twice the price of front engined Celica, both 4WD, both offered in 6M or 8AT with a 400BHP 2.0L turbo with variable cams on inatke and exhaust expect ~35/45k for Celica and upwards of 75k+USD for MR2
I don't see any path where Toyota makes 2 mid engine cars. Either this intel is wrong and we'll get two separate cars (MR2 mid-engine, Celica conventional) or we'll get a combined nameplate single car like the old Celica Supra before they were split.
MR2 stands for Midengine Runabout 2 seater so they'll have to work around that
I just can’t get excited about something that’s two years away and mostly rumors.
The reason why you should get excited is that because of European regulations that happen around 2035. That is why Japanese companies are bringing out these cars because under the new regulations they won't be able to be sold in Europe so they are bringing out these cars for a last hurrah while trying to maximize profits.
@ I don’t care 🤷🏻♂️
@@shadowninja569 Europe will not follow through on those regulations.
@@PulsatingShadow didn't they already step back from the combustion engine ban due to low ev sales?
Well I am still excited for the new Firebird 🤫
I still feel the GR 86 should have been called the Celica.
Definitely it's like a modern a20 celica
Sold as mr2 with 1.5 turbo rwd, mr2 celica with awd and bigger motor? (Keeps celica’s rally roots and mr2’s )
Could this be a Supra MR with corvette pricing?
And have a Celica FF or AWD version start at 30 and top out at 45?
I'm just trying to make sense of a future line up.
Thanks Kirk!
Pop-up head-lights would look insane on the MR2/CELICA combo.
bring back the:
🎶POP UP HEADLIGHTS!!!🎶
Kirk, I would like to think "Best Car'"articles are as accurate as they can make them at the time of publication. I will stay tuned as speculation turns to actual production. 😉
if you look at the 1990 celica and mr2, they basically look like the same car, only one has a conventional engine placement, four seats and is 4wd. while the other has mid-rear engine placement, has two seats and is RWD, optimally id like to have a rear/mid mounted engine with 4wd, a four wheel drive that favors pushing with the rear and can be put in rear wheel drive only.
BMW makes 90% or so of their sales from 3 series. 2 series coupe, 3 series, 4 series, 4 series grand coupe, Z4 (previous gen 3 series), X3, X4 😂
Toyota can copy it. They alreay do on their FWD cars.
Another $45 - $55+ thousand vehicle.... Priceless.
More like a 55k to 70k..lol not for average people
If we can get a 10K redline, I’m totally getting one of those in the lineup
Whatever you say.
😂😂🤡
Typical Hellcat Dreamer behavior
Such a great time to be a Toyota & Lexus enthusiast
Celica Gt Four would be sick 👍🏻 you could call it the GR Four
Sorry, this isn’t a Celica, it is an MR2. They did both name brands wrong by this. How about making a practical and economical sporty car like the Celica has mostly been? While this MR2 “Celica” sounds powerful and exciting, the high price and limited utility (strictly 2 seater sports car), as well as most likely low production will be nothing more than a brand booster.
practical and economical is the civic type r
Kirk that new stashe is legit ✊🫡
If I'm Toyota's product planner I would retcon MR to denote a mid-rear configuration and put that badge to good use by calling the mid-engined rear-wheel drive spec a Celica MR2 and the mid-engined all-wheel drive a Celica MR4. Both would have to have a turbo 4 making about 300 bhp. A Celica Supra would be rear-wheel drive with an inline-6 making probably 425 bhp, and a Supra MR4 would be all-wheel drive with the same power output. Developments will eventually pull the Supra's inline-6 past the 500 bhp mark, leaving room for a lightweight Celica GR4 with all wheel drive and an inline-4 making 400+ bhp. That's the one Chris Harris would never stop talking about.
Plz plz integrate the media screen. Don't let it sit on top like you forgot it and had to add it last min.
When Toyota finally unveils the Celica, they gotta invite Scotty Kilmer to do the presentation.
Celica In - GR86 Out for 2026.
Hey Kirk your channel is big enough now to do Swag and merch. Why not ? Good vids brother !
The US is going to have an open market for fun sports cars. All we really have left is the mustang and if you'd like to something AWD or turbo you're not getting anything unless you jump a lot higher in price range. I'd love to see some high trim variants of a mid engine Japanese sports cars.
I have a wild theory about the naming convention. Perhaps the Toyota exec who announced the return of the Celica spoke prematurely, at a time when both MR2 and Celica were on the drawing board to be produced as separate models. Now the business execs have decided there is only room in the sports car lineup for one of them, with the MR2 style winning out as the best niche filler. But in order for the Toyota exec who announced the confirmation of the Celica not to lose face, they are combining the Celica name with the MR2 platform. Maybe a dumb theory, but it's fun to speculate. And just a reminder to some folks out there, the R in MR2 stood for Runabout, never RWD. So the fact the new one may be AWD doesn't negate the validity of the MR2 moniker.
Yall complaining about it being named Celica but has a mid engine....yet the GR86 is a Subaru brz. supra is a bmw z4... corolla being AWD with a turbo... stop whining
Corolla has been many things over its life. Lol. GR86 being a Subie is whatever because there was never a car officially called a 86 until the twins came. Now the Supra is a good point 😂😂😂
The 86 isn't a BRZ, the BRZ is an 86. Toyota helped Subaru develop that engine (Subaru couldn't make direct injection for their engines until Toyota came and showed them it could be done.)
And the original plan was to only have the 86, but Subaru drove the prototype and were in love with it, so they asked Toyota to get a Subaru version, Toyota knew this would aid sales and pay for the whole project, and thus the BRZ was born, that's why the 86 is filled with easter eggs to it's Toyota heritage and the BRZ replaces it all with nothing.
Just by doing a little thinking it's quite evident, Subaru isn't known for their AWD or drifting prowess, but you know who is? Toyota. Most of their sports cars before the 86 were RWD (Except for the Celica which was FWD for most of its life with AWD versions for some of them.)
*sad Scion TC noises*
Always being forgotten over here in the BRZ/GR86 convo
Unless they partner with some one like lotus I highly dout they build from the ground up mid engine car sports car. Not a chance nor does it make sense . The Gr/86 they had to partner with Subaru,Supra they had to partner with BMW . Just to be able to do a comon front engine rwd cars.
It's not. Toyota actually released a commercial that had a dry erase board with the new car models, and the MR2 was included.
Well, you could say 'too many Sports Cars' but maybe the problem is trying to make all models into *competing* sports cars. Like the point of Celica is to be a livable driver's daily with maybe more comfort than the Corollas. How sticking a mid engine in squares with that, I dunno, ...MR2s of course little mid-engine sports car not with big power being the point, which is kind of the opposite idea. I think trying to cram the roles into the same thing may defeat the purpose.
They'd sell more sporty cars if they weren't trying to cram the whole segment into 'Sports Car Specialty Item.' People aren't focused solely on performance or power there, they got lives that maybe they'd love working a cool driver's car into, but maybe they need a hatchback, or a hatchback coupe, or not to be too low to the ground in the city, or can't guarantee the safety of tires on what, 22 inch rims? Not having a diversity is why so many settle for crossovers or aren't psyched about a new car with all the general computerization issues and all in the first place. And if everything 'special' only comes in massive horsepower, well, that's a toy to most rather than 'the car for my life.' And since they aren't getting the massive volumes as yet, maybe it's better to cover more of what they've reduced to 'niches.' Things people might go out of their way for if other austerity isn't biting too hard.
Perhaps the Celica trim will be the coupe and the MR-2 trim will be the spyder version? Kind of like the Porsche cayman and boxster set up
I think there is more brand equity in the name Celica than in the MR2 moniker.
MR2 stood for "mid engine rear drive, two passenger" which limits the kind of car you can logically attach the name to.
Celica was always a 4 passenger vehicle but it had been rear wheel drive, front wheel drive and all wheel drive at various points.
It seems very unlikely that Toyota will be able to build (and sell) a four passenger car with a rear mid-engine.
Let's also recall that not all "mid engined"cars have their engines behind the passager compartment.
The Mazda RX-8 was a mid engine, 4 passenger car because the front engine sat entirely behind the front axle.
I suspect there is some linguistic translation issues fogging the available information
I think if they compete with that Honda Prelude it’ll be a good idea with competition.
If both the MR2 and Celica go to production, they should be less then $45K. Would not be surprised if the Celica comes out as mid engined and no MR2, given so many manufacturers bring back old names but now as an suv. Different power transmissions would be nice to spread out the msrp’s if the mid engine version is $60K plus. I don’t see the GR86 still around in 5-7 yrs.
if the celica is a fusion of both cars. What Im thinking is that they will use the MR2 design and put the front and rear bumber and lights from the celica and just redesign a bit of it. maybe they will have GR Celica Base and GR Celica MR instead of an XSE badge as the most expensensive. and have the MR version have the more powerfull version of the engine.
Very interesting. Need something to replace the iconic 90's Celica AllTrac.
Just seen this same design in yellow in a magazine out here in Japan so maybe it will be close to that design.
I would downgrade the GR-86 to a 1.6L, like the AE86; Bring the Celica with their new 2.0L turbo and the MR-2 with the same 1.6 from the GR-Yaris.
Man I want flip lights to return.
Funny, the Celica was never really thought of as a performance car in the 90's. It was just the Supra's little sister that girls typically drove. However, this new one looks far better. Hopefully not Miata small where anyone over 6' tall is basically excluded from driving it.
Possible Options:
-MR2 will have a BMW IM Power Unit
-Toyota Gazoo Racing, Hyundai N and BMW M Collaboration
Mid engine Celica 🤯🤯🤯 I’m in !!
So by the hood it’s going to be a front mid engine rather than a rear mid engine?
Here a brz in germany is 41 k which is too expensive to me but this Toyota looks great but probably expensive, but I am glad they make a great caar before in germany we will have all companies are mostly allowed to sell only Evs etc.
I was so excited for a new Celica. Why did they have to ruin it by turning it into an MR2? A mid-engined car is not a Celica, that's an MR2.
does anyone know where the redline is expected to be at for the new Celica?
Why is there a chance we may not see the SFR in America? Is it because of emission standards?
If they're only gonna make one then i hope they go with MR2
As an MR2 enthusiast TOYOTA, PLEASE don't make this a CELICA.
Have Lotus tune the car.
They could also make a coup/convertible split like the boxster and cayman
Everybody saying the celica was front engined and can’t change to a mid engine. You know the original Lamborghinis where front engined right?
Toyota: Make a V35A variant with a closed deck and fully forged internals!
Oh maaan imagine if they brought back the bug eyes from the 6th gen. Instant buy
Re: the name - MR2 is for the small pocket rocket. A larger sports car should be called the celica. In either case, the AWD is a YES.
not buying this scoop in the slightest
totally agree…no way this happens.
Every single time I see the F-sr.... I just think, my God I want one
I just hope it has a targa top 🙏
Is concepts the artist always draws a continuous line from the bottom of the windshield to the windows on the side, because it is beatiful and good design, and is a commonality of most sports cars and supercars. However nowadays companies are ruining these designs consistently by breaking that line and instead connecting the hood to the roof, which is hideously ugly. I can only hope this car will not be a continuation of the horrible trend that is plaguing today's cars.
so are we just gonna ignore the fact that these new Camrys favor the New 2025 Prelude? these images are floating around and i have yet to see someone catch the resemblance
It'll be sad if the mr2 ends up not making a return. I'm always happy for more mid engined vehicles, but it just feels wrong that the Celica would be coming back as a mid engine. I'm really hoping that they do end up with a lower price rwd model to hit that $40k market.
There’s photos around labeled as New Prius that looks like new Supra
No V6? whew my IS350 was worried for a sec
Think thumbs up for Toyota, they are one of the very few, if not only, car manufacturer which can afford a full new line up of sportscars, new Supra, Celica, GR sports models, new Lfa alongside wilde range of Suv's and sedans, Mpv's......hybrids, EV'S, fuel cells etc etc. And magnificent salesfigures.......even in China not that bad compared to others. Wow, just wow!
I still prefer honda. The honda design team nails it most of the time while I can't say the same about toyo.. oof
@@marklopez3459 they do better with their heritage then Toyota does. Coming from a Toyota enthusiast
SFR would not be for the US as the proposed platform doesn't meet regs. Celica looks like a 2door Camry and it kinda makes sense. Another MR2 makes no sense from a business case. Supra started out as a Celica trim remember, so you could do the same again... Celica and with the hotter motor call it the Supra, making them all transverse with the Celica FWD with the GR Corolla motor, and the supra variant AWD transverse with the new 4cyl... that would make sense to me at least. Bring on the shooting brake! I want at least one more desirable Toyota before I retire (I've had most of Toyota's sports cars over its history from the S800 on).
Will it lose the back seats
Whatever releases it’s going to be overpriced because entry level sports car days are over. The wealthy are marketed to even when Toyota isn’t seen as a wealthy person’s brand. Very disappointing
I predict the next 86 will be called the Celica and this mid engined car will be the MR2....or they may keep the 86 around at the same time.
The photo in the bottom left corner on the cover is that a new BZ or new Crown varient?
Wasn't the Celica more popular in the European market vs the American market? I can see the name getting split between markets.
My guess, Celica and Celica-Supra will have the same layout
I sure hope Toyota makes more BMWs! Sure looks a lot like that 10 cylinder Lexus
Hope they hurry because I'm about to order a Lexus LC 500.
All it needs are pop-up headlights. Or in the least the sliding covers like Ferrari does.
Maybe the mr2 will be a true 2 seater and have a 4 seater version and call it the celica? Either way, cant wait. I have high hopes toyota wont fail us. Its time to make a comeback.
So why not "MR2"?
I believe since the Supra wont have an inline 6 is better to name the (MK6 Supra) Celica Supra, it existed already and also an all wheeldrive version named Celica GT4 of the same car(Supra MK6) and leave the mid engine design completely for MR2..cost saving and wiser to leave the legendary Supra dicontinued at MK5.
Could it be that the new Celica will be positioned to fill a gap in the market that will emerge once the Porsche Boxster/Cayman transitions to EVs? It would likely offer a concept similar to the Lotus Emira but backed by the significantly greater resources of a major automaker. Equipped with the new 400-hp 2.0-liter engine, it might also serve as a replacement for the Supra.
yes their was an 86 Corolla prior to the current Toyota 86 right it was the 83-87 AE 86 the first front wheel drive Corolla made Iconic in the Anime Initial D. originally the Celica was a Mustang Clone liftback/notchback sports coupe/convertible
AE86 was the LAST rwd Corolla
Rear engine 2.0t with EV motor on the front axel. It's 2025. Let's Go!
Toyota really messed up their whole naming conventions. It should have been:
1. Supra (itself)
2. MR2 (new mid-engine model)
3. Celica (current GR86)
4. GR Corolla (itself)
Hopefully availability/production times are better than the supra.. Some people had to wait almost 2 years......😅
an in-house A100 Supra would probably start at $80k, with the MR2s/Celica starting at like $50k. There's a reason they did those partnerships and it was to keep costs down...
Who in the hell is gonna pay $80k for a Supra without a i6?
@@hpickettz34, who in the hell is gonna pay $60k for a Supra not even made by Toyota?! Oh...wait.
@DylanTK people who want a i6, the next supra will sell even worst if it doesn't have a i6, nobody is paying 80k for toyota.
@@hpickettz34, I think you are assuming people care about the i6 far more than they actually do, and thats coming from someone with a JZA70 and that used to own the A90 3.0. I also just paid $47k for a GRC; a car no one would possibly buy for that price lol.
@DylanTK let the new supra come with a 4banger and you see nobody will buy it, people treated the 2.0 supra alot worst than the 3.0, so much so toyota stopped making them.
We have Subaru
We have BMW
Who’s gonna make their sports car this time?
I was hoping the new Celica would look like the GR GT3 concept. Won't happen 😂
You can't have too many sports cars.. i wish Honda was making them