RV COMPARISON Eagle vs Montana High Country Full Time RV'ing Fifth Wheels by Jayco & Keystone RV
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What research are you using to specify that the GY Endurance are better than the Sailun tires on the Montana? I have a 2017 Jayco Octane T32C where I replaced the drums off the stock LCI 6K axles with Dexter 7K/8K drums with 5/8" lug studs and installed 17.5 " grey steel wheels with Sailun load range H tires which now has about 15K miles on them. To date the Sailuns have been flawless. I most likely could have gotten away with simply replacing the tires with 16" load range G tires but I figured the load range H tires would afford a bit more endurance for trips such as Alaska from the mainland as an example. Being a former 48 state and Canada over the road 18 wheel driver, overkill can be your friend when it matters most.
Sailun is by NO MEANS an inferior tire. Their tech specs actually surpass Goodyears in a few ways. The video is directed more toward what the general public is going to see as a superior quality on either.
Mr. Haylett is a Montana users several times over now. He's never swapped out the tires and has put some miles on them. The Sailuns are fantastic. Perhaps I failed to present that impression properly
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh, Great answer even though your answer is in line with what my research concluded. Your answer is what I was hoping for. "wink" BTW, your overview of these two fivers was very, very well done and I must let you know how much such a review is appreciated. I also realize how much time and effort goes into such an overview and hope others do as well. Thanks, bro!
@@leonardharview4577 I do truly appreciate the tough questions like that by the way. I don't always get it right and sometimes I forget to circle back to fill in some details like these
This was a great, great point to bring up. Pinning this thread
Have the GY endurance on my boat trailer and so far am very happy with them.
Liked the Eagle Modern Farmhouse. Which I never thought I would choose something over a Montana.
I liked more of the bathroom features in the Eagle , 2 quiet air conditioners matter, liked the one flooring better - it made it look bigger and sharper. Stoves anywhere just need an outside wall exhaust fan - but especially in a camper. The more the windows open the better.
Although this video is 2yo, I love the ligh switches in the bedroom. I am a short person and have to use a step stool and a stick to reach my light switch on the ceiling directly in the center of the bed
it's the little details that make the difference
Outstanding video and a much needed on at that. We were actually comparing the Montana HC 294RL and Jayco Eagle 317RLOK this afternoon (we were only looking...not going to buy from those guys). We have been in contact with one of your reps. We narrowed our purchase to these two models. A couple things you did not mention was the slide out sidewall is VERY different. The black slideout sidewall of the Montana HC feels cardboard flimsy and the Jayco Eagle is rock solid, impressive for Jayco. I noticed the Montana HC's vanity mirror gets in the way and bangs your head. If you put yourself in the "face washing position" your head will not fit over the sink!!! Keystone needs to move the sink closer to the counter edge. Moreover, the slide mechanisms are different between the HC and Eagle. I know you addressed different mechanisms in another video (another superb video by the way). I am not much of a handyman so I'd like to know which one has more maintenance issues/history, Does the large gap caused by the cable mechanism lead to a risk of drafts or gaps? Bottom Line Josh, we'd get the Jayco Eagle with the darker wood tones in a second but not thrilled about the added 3 feet length compared to the 294RL. Thanks again for an extremely well timed video!!!!
Hi Chuck! Thanks for watching and a special thank you for giving our team the opportunity to earn your business in return for our efforts here on these videos!
I'm not quite understanding what "Gap" you're referencing on the MHC slide system as they don't have gaps around their slide outs. Everything ends up sealed exactly the same on both units.
Really love these nuts and bolts comparisons. This is a great video representation of the 20+ comparison spreadsheets I made for my purchase.
lol -- I get it. There's a lot to juggle.
We love the Eagle!! Modern farmhouse, whisper quiet, and BM pro for the win
TY for watching and extra thanks for the feedback!!
I love it too! Can't wait to $$$. Great comparison video.
Josh, thanks for spending all the time to record, edit, and post this comparison video. I like seeing what these two models have in common and where they differ. I also like that you started with two models that are very close in price.
If you're willing and able to do another 5th wheel comparison video, I'd like to see one at the smaller end of the 5th wheel spectrum for Jayco and Keystone. For example, it seems like both the 2021 Jayco Eagle HT 25.5REOK (Rear Entertainment, Outside Kitchen) and the Keystone Cougar HT 25RES have a similar overall length and floor plan. Yet the MSRP of that Eagle model is about $57K vs. Cougar's $47K. That's a noteworthy difference. Thanks!
"Eagle HT vs Cougar Half-Ton" is 100% on my list of intentions. I just literally don't YET have an updated copy of both in stock to compare
Funny thing is we HAVE had them... but they're selling almost as soon as they land... and I don't like to go tromping thru a sold RV's interior for the sake of a video. I see that as someone else's property now and it just feels wrong somehow
Cougar v Eagle in the "HT Segment" will be pretty head-to-head for the most part. Eagle has little touches like Whisper A/C in the living room and option now for a king bed while cougar has the superior tech package and pinbox
I REALLY APPRECIATE your Brand/Model Comparisons, especially this one between Eagle and Montana. The old saying ..." An educated consumer is our best customer " ( I think that was the Sym's Clothing Wearhouse Mantra from yore ) really applies to the RV industry Big Time. So as usual, you did REAL GOOD Josh. Thanks, bill in Florida
TY Bill!
Not familiar with Sym's, but I know that if I were spending this kind of money, then I'd want to know WHY I was spending it too
Excellent video! We’re going from an entry level class A to a fifth wheel and I’ve been looking at both brands. This helped a lot.
Thank you for the comparison we're looking to buy one any day now..
I have learned so much more from your videos, we've had a cpl older used trailers 1 5th wheel and 1 bumper pull and I'm going back to a 5th wheel to retire and take the grandkids...
I'll have to give you a call to see what it would take to get one to California..
Josh, in regards to the Maxx air fan in the kitchen, I prefer the exhaust fan over the stove. You know that thing will still work if your inside cooking while it's raining!
Hey Josh, really appreciate the thorough comparison! Great info. We live in Arizona but plan to talk to you guys when we’re ready to buy our fifth wheel.
Can you please do more front living rooms 5th wheel RVs. In all of your models that can be tow with a Ram 2500 Hemi V8. Rear kitchen's as well.
I love your videos, you do a great job explaining everything one needs to know about your units.
Thank you sir 🙏
Will see what I can do but keep in mind most front livings will likely challenge the payload rating of that vehicle
Doing a " Hacksaw Jim Duggin power stomp " in the shower 🤣🤣
I like the XL power vent fan idea in the kitchen / living area. No matter how good a microwave vent fan is, they struggle to remove odors from the living space without running them for extended periods of time. Also the bigger fan in the bathroom-- ditto. Removes moisture / humidity faster / better.
Time for Jayco to step up on that front.
Aaaaaaand real world experience talking here. The taller bed slide definitely makes a difference for me being close to 6' tall and getting into / out of bed it's pretty easy to knock your head on the upper slide trim.
I really think it is the bed/bath that will largely define which RV someone buys between the two
Someone like you would likely enjoy the MHC a little more
Folks who don't have those preferences I could see gravitating toward the Eagle for the extra "Features"
Your feedback is so 100% on point though
Great comparison video! Even with your goofiness it's really obvious that you really know your product and you can tell others about what you know. We have been trying to figure out whether to go trailer or 5th wheel and you definitely have us some good clarity in regards to that. Thank you!
TY Debbi :)
Love these comparison videos. Great job!!!
Glad you like them!
Thank you, Josh for the comparison.
We are just starting to research for a 5th wheel camper.
This is aged a bit btw. Hold up fairly well
Thanks so much. I really found you video helpful. I will probably go with the Jayco,
Glad it was helpful!
Full disclosure. 100% VA compensation service connected plus SSDI for a total of $5,200 a month. I am very blessed. I fought Uncle Sugar for over 8 years to get this, then I got out of Dodge as quickly as I could. My wife and I live very well ( not like a king) in a gated subdivision in the suburbs of Cebu City. I like your videos, keep up the good work.
thx for tuning in
Thanks beside very good information we are settling on the Montana
What were the deciding factors for you?
I live in oregon. I wish you weren't so far away. I love all of your content.
Never know -- we might just have a door step closer to your neck of the woods sometime ;)
Hooks for coats would be nice as well! Doesn't have to be a closet all the time! Our lovely Jayco (we really do love it...except) it has no spot to even add a coat hook or two!!!
You know what would be a good idea for the kitchen? ...
Air vent (maybe in the ceiling)
Keeps the stove top heat down in the kitchen - maybe something to mention to Jayco. 😉 😉
HAHAHAHAHA
Dude... you're one of the best I swear
Great comparison. Love to see more comparisons. I have a bumper pull right now and plan to get a 5th wheel to replace it. Your videos are awesome with facts to help me and others chose the right rv
Glad it was helpful! Always happy to educate in return for the fair opportunity to earn your business when the time is right for you!
Love the3 comparisons between the two 5th wheels. I am getting close to upgrading and looked at the Hertitage Glen 370 which I see Your business will start to carry. Each video I watch Josh gets me to the point of making the trip up there to purchase my' next RV. Keep up the good work and yes, Maxxxair for Jayco would be great
Good choice!
Jayco baby!! Thank you for the comparison video, great info!
Great video! Thanks for the comparison!! Have you ever done one with the Jayco Pinnacle vs the Montana??
No, but for a good reason -- it's actually the Jayco North Point that lies head to head with Montana -- not Pinnacle.
At some stage I may make a Pinnacle vs. Montana w/LEGACY package video -- that's when they really stack up.
You'll be able to see the Montana/North Point comparison at ua-cam.com/video/dY6OMUFkJvo/v-deo.html coming soon!
Love the comparison video Josh. I thought it was interesting that at the end of the video I was thinking that I still prefer the Montana and my hubby said 'sounds like the Eagle is the way to go'. LOL. I guess we all have different preferences and reasons for them.
So you'll end up winning then? LOL
Like your video! Especially comparison between Montana and north point. Thinking of coming to see you
We'd love to work with you when you're ready - or even if you just want to look
Thank you Josh. I’m currently deciding between eagle 355MBQS and high country 385BR. This is a challenging decision. I’m feeling like the eagle is going to be my choice. Your video was a great help thank you.
I will say I don't think you'll be unhappy with either choice
FYI the Eagle 319MLOK has a maxx air fan in the kitchen. The issue now is they located the smoke detector right next to it so as you draw the smoke out when cooking it sets off the smoke alarm every time. We now always remove the battery before cooking. Such a pain.
The 319MLOK's fan was actually largely based on my constant pressuring per the Eagle manager at that time lol. He advised it was a "baby step" by the design team to get the engineers to start including a fan feature. Even then it was introduced as a simple 4" blade fan more commonly found in a lot of camper bathrooms. Easily upgraded thankfully
So you have the ear of Jayco? I have a design idea that would actually apply to many manufacturers. I love the integrated shelf my Eagle has next to the bed, its great for holding a drink or phone, but its really limited space. My thought would be to make a shelf integrated into the window valance next to the bed. I am constantly using the top of the valance to keep my reading glasses, chapstick and other small items for when I’m in bedtime mode. Would be nice if it was an actual shelf surface. Would be a super simple add that would really go a long way. Maybe pass that along next time you are speaking with them.
Hey Josh! You rock, love your videos!!
Hey, thanks! YOU Rock :)
I think these comparison video's are great,, I have a bias toward Jayco.. Mine has treated me well over the years. When roof comparing (cause really what are most Rver's concerned with) leaking,,,I would like to see if one company or the other seals, or using different products that protects it from leaking.. Yes it's nice that it's a walkable roof and like said does the roof rating matter,,, but is is going to leak is more important.. Thanks for your hard work..
I’m going for the jayco but going used. Looking for the 291rsts, just missed 2 that were 16s and beautiful.
Man that model is one of those that is so popular. It’s incredible how many are out there in the US market even still
If you come up with a clean one at your dealership let me know, I’m in the Detroit area.
I'd like the best of both worlds please. Thank you
And I'm here seeing an adult kid excitedly talk about RV all day everyday🤣🤣 I'll eventually be sold and ready to buy
Nice comparison, I like the Jayco warranty and the wife likes the Montana's kitchen and bath. Maybe a his and hers in the future?
LOL -- sounds good to us! :)
Great comparison and commentary. I like the warranty on the Jayco. We like the new farmhouse decor softer tones. And Jayco .. listen to Josh.. we want dual max air fans! Our ideal build would be a cougar 368mbi with a full drop frame storage and one piece shower in the bath.
So... your ideal build is literally the Montana High Country 384BR (Seen here ua-cam.com/video/5kSOJAgDSSA/v-deo.html) available at Haylett RV of course ;) *hint hint lol*
Yeah .. but at Cougar pricing
@@mike_adams That's kind of the thing though -- if you add those features to a Cougar, then you're going to get right back to a MHC in the new RV market
Keep your eyes peeled for a preowned mid-bunk. They're slowly starting to filter thru the system now that they've been out for a few years.
Watched the suggested video .. PERFECT. Now If I could just get one of those for a drive off the lot price of $58k ... 😉 (just saying)
@@mike_adams Drop our team a note & let's see what we can get done!
Great video. I have a 2019 Jayco 355MBQS without some of the newer functions you showed on the new Eagle. Also, I have found that the whisper quiet a/c does not cool as well as the louder Coleman Mach. If the Eagle now has two whisper quiet a/c's , I would not buy it. Here in Texas the whisper quiet ac's can't keep up with the heat.
I'll have to do some more looking into the whisper AC vs output discussing. Thing is there's zero reason that should actually be the case (though I don't doubt your personal experience).
They're the same size A/C using the same ducting with the same airflow. The ONLY difference is just the air return system being muffled basically.
I'm looking at an Eagle, so a little biased. However trying to compare to the HC, HC doesn't offer any outside kitchens, and they tend not to have cabinets in the slides or above the living room furniture. The Eagles seem to have more storage overall and more attention to detail.
One thing you used to talk about concerning the frame was how Montana pre cracks the frame around the front slide where Jayco does not.
The other thing I would like to see is if you could sit on the toilet with the door open or do you have to close the door to use it.
I really enjoy these comparisons videos.
Keystone has changed their upper deck areas & generally done away with the pre-cracking.
What's interesting is we never really saw structural issues resulting from the pre-cracking. But they're using a bigger upper deck frame now pretty much like Jayco.
It's interesting how Jayco and Keystone are doing a LOOOOOT of the same things now.
Appreciate the toilet suggestion. I've tried to do more of that where I can in my new RV Reviews
@@JoshtheRVNerd One more thing I failed to mention is kudos to Jayco for installing whisper quiet A/C in the bedroom. Way to go Jayco and put the vent fan in the kitchen or at least make it an option.
Josh
I have an 317 RLOK Eagle fifth wheel, i do not like the bathroom fan that Jayco installs, would have perferred the fantastic fan or similar installed. I do like the Gadgets as you called them. The touch pad with bluetooth makes it easy to level up, extend slides and awnings. I also like the light control buttons located around the unit. Overall the Eagle was a upgrade for us from a Springdale TT.
Good work on the comparison video.
TY Chris! I think your feedback is fair. Designing RVs is tricky like that. When a builder has a cap of only $X to spend, then they need to pick and choose their battles.
And if you say "well I want all the things," then you end up with something far bigger, heavier, and more expensive. It's tricky knowing where to cut loose and where to pull back.
Great video...like you said, both great in their own right...it’s just the little things that are personal preference based on what your looking to get out them as an individual.
Would be really interesting to see a “Haylett” specific brand, where you would..🤔..borrow..🙄🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ specific features from each of the big brand names to develop the “ultimate” experience/livability and technology package.
With just these two, I would want something from both...in an “all in one” package.
Regardless to if that would ever be feasible or or not...great information on the comparison pointing out similar and different features of both. Keep them coming brother...👍🏻👍🏻
Man.. it's hard. I get why each brand has those special qualities the other doesn't. You gotta pick and choose your battles and where that money is invested.
I've never actually thought about what sort of "Frankencamper" I'd make now that you mention it....
@@JoshtheRVNerd 🤔...maybe you should...lol
Im pretty gadget friendly, and actually like them. No issues using that type of thing. BUT 5-10 years down the road will that HMI be supported? Probably not without paying big bucks for old stock or used. I would lean toward basic switches and electrical hardware for practical repair
22:49 I Concur... Max Air style (or actual brand) fan would be appreciated IMO
I don't really know anyone that DISAGREES at this point
Hey there, love your videos, we're in love with the 376fl Montana,,we like the floorplans, but im concerned about the slide outs, their on a cable setup..im curious what your opinion is on that
Short answer: Doesn't bother me personally. Of all the mechanical items and systems on these RVs cable slides are THE single lowest warranted item from both Montana AND Cougar.
Your information is so helpful, thank you.
You are so welcome!
Really like that Eagle 336FBOK for both the front bath but especially the outside kitchen. High Country stopped producing any model (344RL) with an outside kitchen. I know the buyer can opt for one in big Montana but you have to give up a third of the pass-through storage. I wish Jayco would offer a lighter natural (rather than painted) wood tone with “gra-eige” (grayish beige) furniture. Keystones painted white cabinetry retains some natural wood tones which, for me, “open up” the rv without the sterile feeling. Thanks for all your hard work. Looking forward to meeting you when we retire in 2 years time.
Jayco's non-farmhouse decor sounds like something you'd like a bit more.
Looking forward to meeting you when you're ready!
I like parts of both. I'm the kind that likes buttons in each room, easy to get too. Not too much into tech stuff. I like the bath in the Montana and most of the rest in the Eagle. Neither one seemed too CPAP friendly however.
Remember this video wasn't comparing FLOOR PLANS -- just features. The living rooms, kitchens, bathrooms, and bedrooms in different models from both brands can/will vary from what you've seen here.
My goal is to give you the info in this video so you have an idea what you're getting into when you open that brochure or visit our website :)
First thing we add , If it isn't there, is the maxxair fans, they just need to be there. Those beenie hat spinners are just for noise. We have also been rockin the sailun tires, and are more than pleased with how robust they are.
Sailuns are the real deal. The more I've learned about them the happier I've become with them. I agree on the MaxxAirs too.
Montana. I like the quality factor.
Eagle VS Cougar would love to see this one also thanks.
It's 100% on my list of things to do as soon as one lands here.
Also Cougar --> Montana High Country
Then... assuming I can actually manage to cross-compare all the brands we have in our inventory head-to-head, I may make some more generalized whole class "Fifth Wheel Face Off" type of videos
I also have like a BAJILLION Rockwood videos to record if I ever manage to get any on hand long enough to record them LOL
I'm all about my Montana High Country!
Can't fault you for it! You and Ryan are going to have such an awesome time :)
Very good vid comparing the two. Thank you!
Any plans on a comparison with an Arctic Wolf and anything else in their price range? 🤔
That's kind of the trick with Arctic -- They have done a better job of managing their price point vs. pretty much anyone else out there. Easily one of the "Highest Value" RVs available.
I'll do some Arctic vs. Eagle/Cougar stuff, but it'll take me a bit.
Basically what you'll find with an Arctic is they generally accomplish 100% of the "CRITICAL!" features very nicely
Then they accomplish about 90% of the "small preference" features at about 75% of the cost.
After Arctic you really start running into a lot of "Diminishing returns" I think.
Hey Josh, GREAT video ... We had an Eagle FW for 2 years and traded it for a Montana High Country. I personally think the MHC has a slightly better "fit & finish" and along with the "full profile" we seem to have the appearance of larger sapce(s). However, I do miss the ability of remotely opening the slides that the Eagle provided. All-in-all, they are both GREAT FW's.
Sound super fair. I think that's a good representation of what they each offer as well. What model do you have now?
@@JoshtheRVNerd 2020 295RL
@@burtbennett Sharp rig. Can't blame you for that one!
8:08 a thought that came to me about the stronger roof surfaces is less about holding up under load (carrying weight) as much as longevity under wind load going down the road (especially windy highway speeds) as well as in certain extreme weather, not to mention if/when a tree limb, etc. falls onto your roof❗️ Plus a strong roof holds it all together inverse to the frame structure holding it all togerther at the base (foundation) = a structural sandwich‼️ 🥪 🤤😋
A "Strandwich" perhaps? :)
What I can say with confidence after a dozen years of reviewing not JUST New RVs, but also THOUSANDS of used RVs: Both brands hold up to the long haul.
Old montanas amaze me. I've seen some owned by folks who just use/abuse the crap out of them. While the interior or exterior might look a little tired... they still have those good bones.
Really like the high country, looking forward to highcountry with BP so cool good job Josh...
I think you mean this one: ua-cam.com/video/b_V8tHXnLfY/v-deo.html
The BP is actually a "FULL" Montana -- not the "High Country" series. That's actually another step-up still!
THAT Montana would compare a little better vs. a North Point from Jayco rather than an Eagle. I have a really in-depth comparison of those two here coming out: ua-cam.com/video/dY6OMUFkJvo/v-deo.html
Jayco warranty sucks.. so I sold the Jayco and bought a Montana high country.. love it so far..
I appreciate your videos and am really liking the vs. series. Over the time I have watched you, I have moved more toward Jayco with each video. I was originally thinking Rockwood, but the more I see, the more I see myself in an Eagle, Pinnacle, or Northpoint. I know you are not a Grand Design dealer, but that would be an interesting (at least to me) comparison.
There are plenty of great RVs out there, but my role here is really to educate folks on the offerings we have within our lineup and the benefits to working with Haylett RV.
When I compare two brands we carry here I can be brutally transparent. Often each brand has comparable points, but now and then one just clearly wins in one category or another.
I don't feel I can do that with the same degree of integrity on a brand we do not feature here & will not make purely negative or obviously slanted bias content. We get enough of that during political election season. I know I certainly don't want to see more of it lol
@@JoshtheRVNerd I understand, and would not expect that you would be able to do a comparison with a line that you do not carry. There is no way for you to do that without appearing to bash the competition, and that is not in your character. I watch a lot of RV walkthrough videos from other dealers, and yours are by far the best. Your style, humor, and thoroughness make your videos very entertaining to watch. Your channel has had the desired effect on me. It has educated me about RVs, but more importantly, about the value of your dealership. I live in Texas, but my wife fully expects that, when we buy an RV, we will be traveling to Coldwater to do it. This pains her greatly because she is from Ohio, and is not a fan of anything MI. Keep up the great videos. BTW, I literally laughed out loud when you said you didn't have a forehead, but a five-head.
@@KennethBaker53 Let her know ol' Uncle Josh the RV Nerd has no team/state based affiliations one way or the other lol
@@KennethBaker53 Also let her know "Ohio has Cedar Point and Michigan has Haylett RV. So we both have great things" :)
25:14 I really like this kitchen decor here more than the JayCo, as the white is clean here & not the distressed (dingy looking) farm house decor.
The MHC decor is almost like if the two Jayco decors had a baby. I don't know how else to say it.
@@JoshtheRVNerd // makes sense to me‼️ 👶 🍼
*This will be a FAB comparison video* !! *I like both the Montana High Country and the Jayco Eagle* !! #HaylettRVReviewsNewsAndMore
Still have not made up my mind. The dual whisper quiet A/C in the Eagle might be a deal-breaker... But also LOVE the ceiling vent fan in the kitchen of the Montana.
Yeah.. tough, isn't it? :)
That's why we carry so many different things.
Whenever we consider a new brand I do a "deep dive" like this. Unless the new brand just has a bunch of really stand out qualities they don't tend to make an appearance at our place.
Hello sir! First off, I love and appreciate all the information. I like the honesty you display giving the pros and cons. My question is I’m 65 year old retired veteran this year. I am a house owner in San Antonio TX. I’m considering selling everything and use the money to purchase a nice fifth wheel to set up maybe permanently in Pensacola area. Is my idea realistic? Is a fifth wheel a viable option for living like that 365 days a year?? I’m trusting you’ll once again be straight up with me before I take the plunge. Much respect! Mark Weber
I know some people do it (more over the past few years). I think it's important to recognize that even a great RV still isn't like a house in many respects. Some are made for more frequent use, but some are also made for more casual enjoyment.
I don't know that it's something I would ever do personally, but I also don't exactly know your life and motivating factors.
Have you spent time in an RV before? Adjusted to the smaller space/storage options vs. most homes? You may consider a rental for a few weeks sometime to get a feel for it before diving in head first.
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks for the honest insight. It’s appreciated!
Great review josh. I noticed the Eagle had a residential fridge, I’m assuming you can opt for one similar to the Montana? Maybe you mentioned this and I missed it. Will that fridge in the Montana come out of the RV without removing a slide out?
I definitely mentioned the fridges along the way, but don't recall exactly where. Basically both brands Eagle/MHC have the same 4-door 2-way fridge or Resi-Fridge options (even the same sizes)
Jayco has included a service access door on the back of their resi fridges AND chosen a supplier who will allow the fridge to be serviced WITHOUT dislodging it (though a full replacement often still requires the removal of a slide or window which I don't care for)
Montana's resi fridges can *sometimes* go out the RV door -- it depends on the floor plan and what's in front of the door.
Just curious, which brand holds it's value a bit better.
Both are close. I don’t have stats to really compare but i would GUESS Montana would have the edge there
I love the buttons!!!! Well done Josh!
Buttons are what my daughter loves to push as well
Mine... specifically... lol
Will you be getting the new Arcadia? Look forward to a preview of that one!
Not in the plans currently, but I never say never to anything down the line!
WOW... very nice comparison of the two manufactures my wife and I are finally winding down to. As we look to retire, and in conducting our 'due diligence' we've found that were basically down to the MHC 330/1RL or Jayco 317RLOK. SO... your comparison video hit home. Question.. when doing my research, I've read numerous complaints of loose bundles of wiring and not enough insulation in the Jayco's which has caused problems with freezing water. I only ask as my wife and I are planning to use use our RV in cold weather. (turning of the leaves in Vermont/Maine; Glacier NP/Yellowstone in later fall when the temperatures fall considerably). We also like the built-in outdoor kitchen (which i feel will cut down on the condensation. thoughts?)
Almost every MFG will have loose wiring below the skin. That's actually quite common. While not pretty it also doesn't hurt anything.
Rockwood is one of the few I've seen to take the time to zip tie wires together to make them look nicer if you open a panel up. They're not the ONLY ones, but one of the few
Jayco tests each layout the make individually. That doesn't mean they're impervious to all weather, but I don't hear reports like this from Jayco with frequency.
That being said we've had multiple Keystone Cougar/Montana clients sing the praises of how well they've held up to cold conditions even thru some Michigan Vortex winters. Keystone is crushing it in that department currently.
Max air fans should be the only fans ever installed in an RV
The difference i see is the cut structure on the front outside..it's cut in like the high profile
Oven size? Windows? Water/waste capacities? Given models are as apples to apples as they can be. 20 pounders vs 30 pounders? Solar? Boondocking capabilities? Can it all run on solar/propane?
Oooh good questions! Thanks for watching & inquiring
* MHC ovens will tend to be a little larger
* Holding tank capacities are very comparable, but can naturally vary by floor plan
* Always dual 30lb propane tanks for both brands
* Both have solar options with standard prep & equal off-grid capability
FULL montana is pretty much the only brand offering a factory-installed "full function on solar" package
Currently no mainstream brand is offering anything of the like in this price point/category
I'm on team Eagle. Especially if they add the max air fans!
I really would like to see them upgrade that fan
But I feel a lot like you -- would it stop me from buying an eagle?
No. Probably not.
We recently ordered a new Jayco 5th wheel 321RSTS which we hopefully will have sometime in April. My Question is I have noticed that there is no compartment for the SEWER HOSE??? Any information concerning this issue would be greatly appreciated. thank you
Eagle has never had a dedicated sewer hose compartment that I can recall (barring sanicon-equipped models). Common solutions include totes specific for sewer accessories for many brands. Tube mounted to the chassis similar to cougar/montana are simple accessory solutions
How do you go from all you cool kats and kittens to Hacksaw Jim Duggin??!! Always making me smile Josh. 🤣
Love this comparison, so much so that we called and spoke to salesman Randy and got a long distance price quote. Couldn’t be easier and he is very knowledgeable too!
Two MHC questions: 1) Front windshields: look neat, are they high up enough to avoid rocks from the road? 2) Mid profile Jayco vs High profile MHC - is there any appreciable fuel mileage differences towing these?
Some answers/ideas for you:
*REGARDING ROCKS ON WINDSHIELDS:* Ignore the fact this is an RV real quick. Think of your personal vehicle that you drive probably EVERY day & think of how rare rocks ticking against your windshield are.
* Now, consider how rarely you've had a rock crack a windshield in a vehicle (understanding RVs use the same type of windshields -- Montana anyway).
* NOW consider how rarely a fifth wheel is towed vs. an every day driving vehicle.
* NOW consider how HIGH UP IN THE AIR that montana windshield is.
* NOW consider the location of the diamond plate stone guard on a travel trailer. It's down low because it's almost always YOUR vehicle flinging rocks & 95% of stones are shown to hit that line or below.
* It's not IMPOSSIBLE, but it's astronomically improbable.
*FUEL DIFFERENCE:* I will preface this by saying there has been NO testing of which I am aware regarding MPG variances when towing brands X, Y, and Z. That being said... they're both big FWs that stick right up in the air. I don't believe you'd find a measurable difference on one vs. the other. That's PURELY theory though. I've been doing this a dozen years now and haven't yet had someone say "My MPG was better with THIS fifth wheel vs THAT one"
Thank you for your honest view when I bought my Jayco Eagle 321RSTS I was thinking that I should have bought a Montana so now I see that I made a good decision I was going on the name instead of how they both were made. So what about the weight of both? I have look at the Montana High Country and to me I liked the Jayco Eagle a little better but although I still wish I had went with the Montana but all in all I'm happy with the Eagle.
That Eagle 321RSTS is on my personal hit list for "if I were going to get serious about RV'ing"
Rest assured... you did *quite* well :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you sir so much.
JOSH YOU COOCOO. LOL A GREAT VIDEO I LIKE BOTH MODELS BUT I ALWAYS LEAN TOWARDS JAYCO BECAUSE OF THE ROOF AN BEAMS OVER THE SLIDES. GREAT work you are a 1 man production team
I am that! With all the camera-crap I carry around constantly i feel like one of those old timey one man bands with a trumpet in front of his face and big drump strapped to his back
@@JoshtheRVNerd i tell I impressed with how good you keep the camera in focus an in frame an its Your straight shooter talk an honesty is the best part
Curious how much of a big deal is it to change out the microwave for a direct venting hood on the montana. I love to cook. Because I love to eat lol. I like the hitch. On the Montana. I currently own a Hitchhiker and.love my Hitchhiker. Been full time four 7 years. Hard pressed to walk away from my Hitchhiker. But if I could find a good deal maybe?
It requires basically cutting a hole in the slide face that wasn't intended to be there. I don't like that idea -- introduces stress points for which no engineering has accounted
What I can offer is they've been immensely popular and successful longer than anybody else in this RV segment. They cater to a lot of full timers who cook regularly in the RV
My Mother and Father are montana users and she is constantly cooking. That big vent fan on the ceiling seems to do the job quite well for them
Another option may be something like a North Point which is HIGHLY comparable to a Montana (each better in some small ways actually). It'll have both the XL vent fan in the ceiling AND a venting stove top hood. Here's a sample North Point ua-cam.com/video/e2stp0kWQ_I/v-deo.html
On the Montana H.C., what's with the black slide sides. I heard from one person that it gets really hot to the touch and adds to interior heat. Is it laminated or painted? I like the Montana's but you make a good case for Jayco which I haven't been considering. Look forward to the Montana & H.C. comparison.
Keystone does not laminate slide-end walls. That's not to say they're not insulated. I'm sure it generates a bit more heat, but overall Montana has proven, tested hot/cold camp performance.
When you're in this budget range I 100% understand you're really splitting hairs here.
Lambrequins....never knew that's what they were called! Thanks for expanding my vocabulary! (BTW not really a fan of them, so bonus points for the Eagle, but I like the Montana decor better overall.)
Thanks for watching!!
I didn't know what they were until I did this either. I usually struggle with my HGTV words lol :)
Looking forward to the comparison between the Montana and the Montana High Country.
You won't be waiting long! It'll go live on Dec 7th here ua-cam.com/video/Ht5NiaaG_50/v-deo.html
Does winnebago still make the micro minnie 5th wheel and is there another smaller 5th wheel it could be compared to? Thank you for these comparison videos.
Micro Minnie FW was discontinued for the better part of a year now. To my knowledge nothing else like it exists currently from any mainstream MFG
From my experience Montana's tend to have cable driven slides while Eagle's have the schwein track system on the smaller slides. Both very reliable, but people have their preferences.
I only made it half way before I had to do something, so I might have missed it
A little clarity that may help:
* Montana HIGH COUNTRY Uses Cable slides. "Big Montana" does not.
* Eagle uses a different slide as it is most appropriate for each application. They've recently changed up which systems are being used where for superior long term function and experience.
Thank you for tuning in. Would love to see you finish the video and offer some more insights!
@@JoshtheRVNerd
First of all, wow that was a quick reply for a 2 day old video.
I would say if your looking at that price range for a full time, go for the Montana HC (like you said the full profile down to the HC). The drop frame, W/D and other things make it long term friendly. The Eagle will still work, but I would personally go up to the pinnacle if I could for full time.
I do wish that more brands did the water jug thing.
@@andrewhood4997 I try to keep an eye out for every reply regardless of how old the video is. I *live* in this channel basically LOL
Another great job on the differences. I like the HC personally. Really liked the carnival reference. Lol
lol :)
Also, thanks for watching!
What features on the MHC drew you that direction?
@@JoshtheRVNerd We prefer the Montana's from a style perspective. The wife likes the symmetry of the kitchen, with countertop and the stove. We also like the coffee bar and pantry. The in command system is neat, but I'm not a gamer (pin ball for me) , so that doesn't really become part of my decision. Not a deal breaker, but not impressed either. I like the drop frame storage and high profile. We also like the lighter wood. But I have also heard very good things about Jayco too. But if I were to choose today between those 2 units, it would be the HC. The problem my wife has with most HC's though is the second door in the bathroom, she's not a fan of that. That also rules out Alpines and Avalanches as well. Our favorite unit so far is the Montana 3120RL. No residential fridge for us. (I really learned a lot on that thanks to you) The important things we decided on was size, reliability, and accessibility while traveling. That rules out some of the Eagles. We did see a Pinnacle 32RLTS at the Cleveland RV show last year, liked that as well. But we prefer the smaller rigs. I kind of wished that the new 32 ft HC would have had a different Floorplan, much like the 3120RL. Champaign tastes some times! We'll see if that's in our cards. Many times we have planned and God has laughed! We are still at least 1-2 years away from being longtimers, so we're going to keep using our Copper Canyon 25FWRLS some more. Especially since an upgraded RV also includes an updated Ford truck. Thank you for asking, and thank you for all of the videos, very helpful.
@@lanedelker9161 The 3120RL is actually the very unit Mr. & Mrs. Haylett (aka the owners here!!) personally use. It's also the only model I've ever seen them STAY in for an extended period. They've just liked it that much.
The 32RLTS is basically Jayco's version of that layout & about 2 steps above the RVs compared within this video.
We have the Jayco XJ213 Jay feather and are looking at the Grand design Imagine. In your opinion would we be upgrading or what?
First, I would offer I think any brand of RV has valuable qualities to consider. Beyond that without more information I can't really answer your question. I'd really need to know things like what floor plan you're considering, your towing vehicle, how much/how often are you camping? How far are you towing? etc.
If you can fill in a few blanks, then I can likely offer some more assistance. Better yet would be to speak with a member of our sales team at 800-256-5196.
If I were in the lot right now and had to choose one of these....I’d still be standing there! I like the Montana kitchen but I think I would pick the Eagle for 2 reasons, the closet in the bathroom and the sink being positioned to one side on the island. I think Montana gives overall more counter space but they break up the working space by putting the sink the the middle of the island. This would be a tough choice but for me, I think Eagle wins.
Important note: I wasn't comparing two specific floor plans here. Not EVERY MHC uses the same bathroom as what you see here. So try to "disconnect" from that one. The bathroom shown in the eagle used in this demo is VERY A-Typically from other eagles. The video is comparing features -- not floor plans.
Great job! Thank you!
I would go with the Montana by the way.
Our pleasure!
There both nice , what is the weight difference between the two RVs
This video doesn’t compare specific models so there’s no direct answer for you I am afraid
I want the Montana hands down!
Can't go wrong with Montana on your team
If you ever get a Solitude 377 mid bunk, I would love to see a side by side with the NP 377...
North Point has been attacked on all sides in that mid bunk market. It's remained THE top end midbunk out there :)
I would love to see you compare toy haulers different models.
Once it warms up I plan to resume this comparison series
I might not be able to get many more done this summer as RVs are not generally staying in stock long enough for me to get the time to go make footage like this
The comparison videos take a LOT of extra time
@@JoshtheRVNerd do what you can we will keep watching. Thanks
Very nice. I'm in for the Eagle.
Awesome. Thx for watching. What features made you feel that way?
I have had a terrible experience with Jayco. I have a 1/2 ton gmc. What 5th wheel do you suggest. 2.7 turbo.
Sorry to hear that. I've never claimed we were perfect and haven't seen a "perfect" RV company either.
But that's also why we carry a few different brands. Sometimes you just need an alternative.
Regarding what FW would pair with your truck -- I literally cannot answer that with the limited information provided. HOWEVER... I can tell you "probably not many."
½ Tons and FWs just generally do not belong together. The powerplant you mentioned likely indicates a lack in payload rating (not towing, but payload/cargo) needed for almost every FW
Our team at 800-256-5196 is always happy to provide more information in return for the fair shake at working with you, but know safety is always the first step around here!
Good job as normal. Could you do a comparison of a artic wolf 3770 a something close or like that floor plan hey you asked ha happy thanksgiving
These comparisons aren't intended to be "This one specific floor plan vs. that one specific floor plan." Rather, they're simply features vs. features.
I'll definitely get some Arctic Wolf vs. Cougar/Eagle-type videos done when I can. I actually do have some video footage for you I think you'll like though:
* Arctic Wolf 3770SUITE: ua-cam.com/video/c5cX9F2YQFk/v-deo.html
VS
* Cougar 364BHL: ua-cam.com/video/qCHjEKAcsYY/v-deo.html
Note: The cougar footage is from 2020, so it is SLIGHTLY dated
We have pleated shades in our 2015 5th wheel and two have broken.
The draw strings, or something else?
Do you have a video compensation of your favorite travel friendly or turtle friendly trailers or 5th wheels?
Not yet, but this coming year (once the weather warms back up, slides open back up, and we have more in stock) I'm going to make a few Videos regarding "Nerd Preferred" models
Prefer the Eagle. The interior is amazing 🤗
Good choice!
When you mentioned the blackout shades, you were sitting in the perfect position to demonstrate how effective they are. The light source was behind you, and so were the windows. Just reach back, close the shades and let the camera make that point for you.
They're both beautiful rigs, but I like the high country better, the eagle is no slouch. Maybe even has some nicer features, but im a bit one sided as a I have a full Montana 🙃
HAHA! Love it :)
I think you're looking at it super fairly though. One or the other usually speaks a LITTLE louder to someone, but neither is a slouch just as you said. It's no accident they're the two most popular brands of fifth wheels from Jayco and Keystone in history!!
High Country wins! Kitchen is what did it for me.
I will admit I personally prefer that generally symmetrical look of the kitchen space myself
Main reason we went from wanting an Eagle to our North Point is the drop frame among many other reasons. A drop frame and associated storage is always the answer.
Maxx Air fans are a must as well, especially during non-A/C camping season, as they create an inside breeze.
As a Jayco owner, in this case of Eagle vs MHC, the MHC wins IMO. 🤷♂️
BTW... those Sailun tires are on par, and some may say, superior to the Goodyear’s.
TY for the info. I agree those are great points. The Sailun tires actually have a higher load rating as I recall. I don't remember the specifics -- just that like you said they're not "inferior"
But the "feel" of the "American Made 87mph Goodyears" is also pretty hard to beat I think.
My 2020 319MLOK has the auto/ ceiling vent fan in it? Guess it depends on model
That model is an exception and doesn't feature the XL van like you see in a Cougar from the factory (it's possible it was dealer-upgraded).
Loving the Jayco HT.
Which model jumps out at you?
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