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A walk around and flight in a 1946 North American Navion aircraft
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- Flying the Navion. A close look at a 1946 Navion. North American Aircraft. Warbird, vintage aircraft. Aircraft restoration APP, Navion Restoration, Flying, General Aviation.
Goofing off intro stops at 1:22
Flying starts at 9:04
Back in the early 90's my neighbor in the next door hangar had an NA Navion with a full glass/clear [plastic} canopy, in beautiful restored condition and repowered, as I recall, to around 300-hp. One day we flew it up around Mt. St. Helens and during that flight a local guy we called the Red Baron who had this very hi-powered biplane did a roll around our plane. What dramatic sight he presented in his leather cap and scarf flying back all of which added to a very memorable day and I have wanted one ever since, but still tail-dragging. There is a beauty of a Navion in the tie-down area at our local airport(Roseburg, Or,) that gets flown quite often. Always have to watch take-off. Thanks for the vid.
A cousin of mine lived @ an AIRPARK, he owned a RYAN NAVION 4 PLACE RETRACTABLE, CONTINENTAL ENGINE , He flew it all over including several trips to JAMAICA WI, , it’s still in his home , he has passed on few years ago. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
i've been flying since the late 70's and i have always admired the poor man's p51....yes the NAVION!!!!
Good looking functional birds.
and for a low powered airplane, it sounds sexy on that fly past⁉️👍🏻
I've owned my 1949 Navion A since 1990. (yes, I'm 67) It has an IO-470-H with 260 HP. Fly it IFR routinely. Great machine. Thanks for the video. Loved the Beech 18 contribution.
Thanks.
Being a former pilot/owner of the Nation I enjoyed your flight. Brings back wonderful memories.
Glad you enjoyed it. It was fun to fly.
I’m absolutely in love with the navion. First plane I ever got to take control of as a teenager. It’s like sitting in a B-25 cockpit inside of a P-51 body.
One of my dad's best friends was Bryan Ryan, a family member of Ryan Aviation. He has his Navion hangered an Airport in MN. My dad often co piloted with him. One year while I was in HS, I was invited to rt seat with him to Oshkosh, My dad met us out there with a camper. Bryan had a bit of sense of humor, 1st thing he asked me after we were up in the air, Can you fly her if I have a heart attack? We hit a storm a little later and we had to temporarily land. The Navion seemed to handle the storm pretty well. I love the roll top canopy one since like a fighter, but also a lot easier to get in and out of than a lot of single engine airplanes. My dad normally flew a Cherokee Arrow and that was bit tougher to get into. . The only negative is if you are getting out in the middle of a rain storm like we that day. We finally made it to Oshkosh. It was a fun ride.
I owned a 47 Ryan Navion and sold it. Looking at prices now it looks like I will never won another one.
I remember fairly good when I was at flying school. I once said that a NAVION wasn't an option for me to own an airplane but certainly, this NAVION and others like ERCOUPE are fascinating airplanes to get some fun and good flights. Great video,. Thank you for sharing.
Back in the early 70's when I was in high school, a friend of mine and I had a plan to get our pilot's certs, buy a couple of Navions, and fly around the world. Sadly, the plan never came to fruition, but I still love the Navion. North American Aviation made some great planes. Thank you for this trip back in time.
It was our pleasure!
Loved how it went from being a low wing to a strut braced high wing in the pattern for a moment. That was a neat trick. Kind of reminded me of the old Midway movie with Charlotte Heston. You know the one where a guy takes off from the carrier in a Hellcat, dive bombs a ship in a Helldiver then crashes back on deck in a Corsair…all in the same flight.
It's like seeing a contrail in a Western.
I am from South Africa ..as a kid in 1980 my Dad had a friend that owned one of these ..I have about 60 hours as a Pax in this Plane .Awsome Days .Great video.Thanks.
I flew a friend's 285/three blade years ago. So solid. His was an Oshkosh category winner way back when. A truly a superb aircraft.
Beautiful aircraft with such a distinctive design. I've always loved the Navion although I've never seen one in real life.
Many thanks!
Always liked the "Baby Mustang".
I've owned three Navions...a North American A Model with an E 225, a Ryan B with a 300 HP geared Lycoming and another NA with a 285 Continental. First, there's no reason to ever be on the ground with the hydraulic pump off. Too easy to forget and if you taxi off over a bumpy surface the gear can fold. And that amber "HYD PUMP ON" light only shows you the position of the switch, not whether the pump is actually doing anything. For that, you must crosscheck the hyd pressure gauge.
Basically, the airplane was built to military standard to allow North American engineers to stay employed until the F86 program geared up. So it was complex, strong, expensive and remarkably light for its size. It boasted a wing borrowed from a proposed Army Air Corps trainer that NA had sitting around....with an airfoil designed to provide gobs of lift and preserve the tender pink fundiments of fledgling cadets. It does that admirably, with awe-inspiring slow flight capabilities (mine stalled at 48 MPH), getting off the ground very, very fast (even when underpowered with the smaller engines), carrying lots of payload, while staying pleasantly light on the controls yet incredibly stable (two things that are hard to to combine). Contrast that with the Bonanza, which was simple to build and used a wing and airfoil borrowed from a Cleveland racer, making it fast, slippery and very much not stable.
In the age-old fight between Navion and Bonanzas, speed and simplicity (read cost) of construction won out. The Bonanza was cheaper to build and 15-20 knots faster on the same horsepower. But when you want to get off the ground quickly and in flying Packard style, nothing beats the Navion.
Great to hear it from a pro. Can you explain here in detail what the two handles under the dash do and the six inch propeller looking thing on the carpet between the pilot's and co-pilot's feet does. I basically know but you'd explain it better.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 By handles under the dash do you mean the emergency hydraulic pump handle and the gear uplock release (allowing gravity to put your gear down when all else fails)? Or the canopy assist handle that gives you some mechanical advantage to pull the canopy aft in flight? There's a negative pressure area above the canopy when flying that makes it very hard to shove that heavy structure aft, which could be important if you happen to want (and are equipped) to bail out.
Thank you, exactly.
I was going to say the same thing about leaving the hydraulic pump on while on the ground. We had an original NA checklist in our 1946/Navion that specified you pull it out before cranking and leave it on until the gear is up and locked after takeoff.
Wow, I had a ride in a Navion when I was a kid, the sliding canopy is about the only thing I remember. It is great that so many of them survive. You wonder if there are any others that are not on the registry, hiding in a barn somewhere! Thanks for the video!
I think there is a Navion at every airport in various stages of repair or disassembly.
I can't stop smiling.
What a beautiful little aircraft!
Another great video. Thanks Mark.
I have never seen one of these before...what a great airplane! Thank you for sharing.
I am a ‘62 Rangemaster G1 w/ IO-520-BA owner. Door is on LH/pilot’s side. Great airplane.
Excellent video on these fantastic airplanes - thanks for sharing!
Last in first out....
That was a lot of fun! My father was very fond of these planes. I have only seen one in person, that was back in the mid "80s. Great video.
Nice walk around and info. Always been a favorite of mine.
Really enjoyed the video, thanks Mark!
Glad you enjoyed it
Nicely done video. Inspired me to come out to CA and fly it! See you on Saturday!!
My goodness, I enjoy these videos! Keep up the great work, Mark!
Thanks. Meyers 200 coming soon.
Great review of the Navion.
Thanks.
My late uncle (husband to a paternal aunt) was a pilot starting with the Army Air Corps before the US Air Force even existed. From WWII through the Korean conflict, he flew a collective 187 missions and finally retired a Major. Sometime afterwards, he purchased a Ryan Navion, very similar to the model you presented in the video, even the red on white paint job. I assume he acquired it between 1960 and 66 because his first granddaughter was born in the summer of 1966 and when only a week old, that baby rode in that airplane! I, too, had the opportunity on occasion.
Alas, his health declined in the late 1970s. Because he could no longer fly, he sold the Navion. Now, I was not present to witness the events myself, but family told me what happened. His two granddaughters were crying a flood of tears as he and the new owner signed the required documents. Before he ink had dried, the buyer climbed into the craft and started to taxi it from the hangar. Suddenly, the nose tipped downward, smashing the propeller into the asphalt while the tail slammed upward into the door frame of the storage building! the fool had not properly inspected the landing gear mechanisms. Not securely "locked" the nose wheel folded into its "gear well" and the plane teetered upon its wing mounted wheels! Not even an hour after a transfer of ownership the buyer "crashed" the plane before it even exited the hangar! No, the new owner was not injured other than his wallet. Supposedly, my cousins' weeping turned to mocking laughter at the buyer's carelessness.🙄
The buyer repaired the plane and it flew again, but eventually, it got sold once more and the next pilot "traditionally" crashed it. Thankfully, that person survived (I think), but that time, well, my uncle's former plane was truly "destroyed". Such a waste because my uncle treated that robust lil' "pond hopper" like gold.😭
Anyway, thank you for the "inspection" and the co-pilot's POV of a short flight! It felt like I was in my uncle's Navion once again! 🥰
Interesting and a sad story. An other one gone.
Also, I believe all North American built Navions had the E185-3, which were limited to 185hp; Ryan built ones, starting in 1949 came with a slightly different version E185, the -9, which allowed higher RPM operation for 205hp for 1 minute at takeoff, but then limited to 185hp max continuous operation afterwards. As I understand it, an E-185-3 can be converted to a E-185-9 by adding counterweights to the crankshaft.
Beautiful plane! I've only ever seen one Navion with my own eyes and they look a bit different than most.
Kind of unique looking.
Great everything.
Plane, story, narration, flying, video inside and from outside.
Glad you enjoyed it!
So enjoying the format. I'm learning a lot.
Thanks. Me too.
I worked with a Lady who owned a Navion. Her and her husband were pilot's and she worked for the Smithsonian Air& Space/Udvar Hazy Center. That plane always stood out. Great looking Air plane 👍
Very cool!
My grandfather had a 1949 Ryan Navion complete with tip tanks. I flew many times with him as a kid from a grass airfield in York PA to KLNS for lunch or just to goof around. He had a map in his basement of the continental US with red push pins of all the places he had flown her. Great airplane with styling ahead of its time. This brought back great memories. Ty for the video !
Thanks for sharing that with us! Glad the video sparked fond memories for you.
Beautiful!
Thank you!
Nice looking center stack radio panel and one piece windshield. That make this a nice piece of equipment.
Gorgeous airport!
Indeed!
Great job Mark. Look forward to watching every video you put out. Hope to pass through in the Skywagon this summer to say hello. Rick from Bellingham
Please do!
Very good thanks. Lots of memories.
Glad you enjoyed it
His accent in the airplane review is so freaking cool. And I met a lot of people with cool accents. It was fun.
And the inside of this airplane it has seats and it makes this Twin Navion look like a car with wings and I mean the flying car from 1946.
And it’s set in a hot place because pilots find it safer to see where they want to fly in order to reach destination.
These are very good aircraft reviews
Thanks for watching
Good Presentation. Pleasure to hear someone who knows his numbers. 11 gph is spot on for the E225 at cruise. I first saw one of these at an airport in Monticello, Arkansas in the late 1940s...when I was just a kid. We arrived in a Stinson "Voyager"; I asked my dad what the new airplane was. He had worked at NAA on the P-51 and knew a great deal about the Navion. It is good you have the Hartzell prop setup. I had that on a Bonanza converted from electric prop.
Thanks. The owner told me the numbers. Always good to get reliable first hand information.
Amazing
I owned a Navion N91768 that I flew all over the south , Built like a tank could fly in and out of a short distance,Love it
After watching this video I’m downloading the restoration APP!! I’m an A&P/IA in Texas. This APP will save me a lot of time. As usual the APP awaiting for FAA approval😎. Great video! Creative, informative, and interesting.
It was a very slow download.
Always wanted to try one of these Navions along with a Varga Kachina.
I have always loved the way the Navion had a resemblance to the Mustang. Nice video!
The propeller is variable speed rather than constant speed. If the throttle setting is changed the RPM also changes, so a bit of balancing is required. Another thing...the carburetor will last longer between overhauls if the plane is parked with the mixture knob pushed in to "full rich." Leaving the mixture knob pulled out at "full lean" leaves some rubber parts in the carburetor stretched, which deforms them over time.
This one is a true constant speed. Set it and forget it, just like a 182. The electric prop on a Bonanza has to be adjusted all the time like you say though. Also very true about leaving the mixture knob on rich when not running. Good point.
Love the Navion.
I remember these, in the early 70's I worked the ramp at Sanford airport in Florida. There were still enough of them flying to be readily recognizable. Navion's were also known to be solid, reliable airplanes. Good video, thanks for the memories.
Thanks.
I was living in Sanford Florida as a little kid, as a matter of fact next to the Sanford airport, we used to sit on the railroad track and watch the planes coming in to land as they came over the tracks, I was in the boy scouts and remember going to the airshows there, went to Sanford middle school as well, used to fish at lake Monroe it was only one block from our house, I remember someone owned a P-51 that used to land at Sanford from time to time. You really jogged my memory of that time.....Thank you!!!
I was there in Sanford in the early to middle 70's. Right next to the airport.
@@jackdaniel7465 If it was late 60's - early 70's and it was a yellow P51, it was owned by Johnny Bolton, who had a big Ford dealership on 17-92 in Maitland.
@@Mr1990hjc that is correct, it was johnny Bolton, used to see his P-51 coming in to land, we used to hang out on the railroad tracks at the end of the run way watching planes land on those hot summer days in around 1973-74.
You can always tell lineage,75 years old and cut from the same cloth,great looking plane!
Very true!
Gorgeous plane! I would love to own one of those one day.
That restoration app must be from the same future as Star Trek.
I wish it was real
@@skywagonuniversity5023
Same, that app would make so many things easier.
600ft takeoff over 50ft at gross with a big engine, that cambered wing is awesome, slow but full of lift, With a Navion you gotta hold 80-100mph for gear retraction, its very hard on the gear doors and pump otherwise, shows how the airplane was designed with 165hp. small tanks too
The first Navions including its first flight had 185 hp, The Beech Bonanza had 165 hp and wood prop for its first flight.
No gear doors on orig.
Stock wing tanks 3.5 hrs plus reserve.
@@jettah2149 yes
I have a 100 storied about a 1946 Navion - it was a lot of wild and funny experiences!
They are so old now that so many people have experienced them in some way I have found.
my dad too WWII guy loved these. he had a piper tri pacer then a c182 but we looked at these and a mooney. we almost got the navion... but dad found a small c182 partnership so.... always have wanted to fly one. not too old yet so who knows :)
I've owned & flown two of them. Navion's are great flying aircraft. They are built like a tank with wings.
True
Seen some with longer sporty front their good looking plane
that was some serious editing at 14:42 :)
yes it was.
I like how the Navion turned back into a Cessna @ 16:58. The app must need to be updated or reinstalled.
It's only a Navion until mid-night.
Darn 172s are always popping up everywhere.
Neat trick going from a Navion to a Cessna in the pattern then back to a Navion.
We were practicing magic for the high school talent show. Who else do you know that can turn a Navion into a Cessna? David Copperfield? I don't think so.
Thanks. A friend had a Navion in MN in 1960 when we were students at the U of M. He took me flying in one my early experiences airborne. I was inspired and went on to a 63 year career as an active aviator. I really like the plane. Wonder where that one is now.
It might be the relic at the start of my video.
This is good entertainment while planting peanuts. Thanks!
I’ve always loved the Navion. We had one at the FBO I worked for in Kentucky USA for years. Never saw it fly. The gentleman that owned it was a WW2 Wildcat pilot who flew it one hour, ever day, at sun up then put it back in the hangar, every day until he passed away. His son owns it now and doesn’t fly it. It’s a shame.
He should sell it to someone that will fly it.
i spent lots of time at that airport, visiting with an absent father, early 1960's..watching airplanes. a Navion there always intrigued me. i remember old single engine borate bombers would sink as they left the runway.
At Placerville? I remember the huge Borate tank at the end of 23.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Yes Placerville. the borate tanker did eventually gain elevation
Inspired by the P 51, but a wider and longer cockpit, tricycle gear, and about 80% reduction in power and it still does pretty good. It's a nice plane and I have heard it is fun to fly.
Definitely a classic with a vintage feel but modern familiarity.
How tempting to put your favorite mustang livery with dday stripes and a few swastikas by the cockpit.
Great job Mark !! Good description of that beautiful Aircraft. It Is a part of the history.
Couldn't agree more!
Хорошие видосы получаются, спасибо!
Back in the '70's my father-N-L had a copy of this small Mustang. He was a WW2 pilot advanced instructor for ones going into aircraft-over two. He really loved this acft but it was a bit difficult for grand-ma to ngress or egress, later traded for a high wing Caravan to shuttle into remote Canadian strips.
That is a hell of a trade, to a caravan!!
My dad had a Ryan navion serial no 006 I believe was a 1947 plane no n91104 cool video
When you drop the flaps it raises the wings. Crazy! 😂😂😂
Yes, some cunning trick photography.
Love it! 😊
That's a beauty of an airplane. I've always loved the looks of the Navion, since I was a wee one. I'm 55 and they have been a rare catch all my life. But when I've had the chance to see one up close, I've taken full advantage. I need that Plane Restoration App, for sure. Is it in the Play Store? LoL There's a full metal C170 at the municipal airport down the road from me that needs it.
Yes, It's in the app store, but it was only there a short time. Ha ha.
An aircraft mechanic once told me that the Navion is such a robust airplane that you could "plow fields with it."
Probably true.
Loved my Navion…wish I still had it. The stiff trim wheel….check the adjustment mechanism way back inside the fuselage…likely needs some lubrication.
We'll mention that to our mechanic! Thanks, RL.
New subscriber here--enjoying your content! Love the Navion; have some time in a Rangemaster H...
Thanks. We are just getting started.
Aka L-17 in US military service. "L" for Liaison. One was used to take Marion Monroe on a troop entertainment tour during the Korean War. (It's still flying.)
Couple of things with the E-225-8 and the Hartzell propeller. One when starting you don't want to just jam the starter button. You want to just jab it quickly and then wait for the starter to engage. This is the "tick" method. Once engage then do push the button again to start the engine. If it has the E-80 starter you can end up breaking the gear in the accessory case that the starter engage with. On runup no need to pull the prop control all the way out. Just enough to see a drop in RPM then return it. Note how fast it reacts, this will give you an idea on the OTU health. Also with this setup oil pressure keeps fine pitch/high rpm so you are starving the fragile OTU of oil by pulling it all they way out. In general with any CS propeller plane pulling the prop control all the way out and seeing the engine drop significant rpms is not doing the engine any good. Great video really get a feel for the grand old lady.
Always good to hear first hand info. So the first poke, just engages the starter?
@@skywagonuniversity5023 yes just quick jab. Otherwise the starter really hits it hard. It is most likely an E-225-4 with a wet sump but I couldn't tell. Same applies to all E series engines. Very dependable and durable. There is a one fellow with 3000+ on the case with no issues.
I’ve flown one and the controls felt like a flying tanker but stability was great
The one I flew, belonging to a friend, felt stolid albeit solidly built, not very responsive to control inputs and underpowered. I would never believe that one could have reached anything more than about 110 mph! It was a bit of a disappointment to me.
The rear step has nothing to do with making a Navion a "B" model. That's an entirely aftermarket STC. What makes a B model are the changes to the engine mount, fuselage reinforcements, an increase in the gear leg hardness (and resulting increase in MGTOW), and several other small changes to support the extra weight of a 260hp Lyc. GO-435 installed in the front. All "big engine" (260hp and up) installs from the TCDS for the Navion require the fuselage reinforcements (often referred to as the "beef up kit"), which is a desirable upgrade, but that alone doesn't make it a B model. This one appears to be still registered as an Navion A, so I'd imagine that what the owner meant when saying that it was rebuilt as a B model, is that it has had the beef up kit installed.
Mark, I can’t find the app! Does it work on old cars too? 😂
Love the Navion! Beautiful lines!!
I tried it on a car and it came out badly. Turned a 57 Chevy into a Prius.
Hi Mark, Hop into the NAvion and fly down to LOO for lunch sometime. That's where I have my 1949 A-Model. Cheers !
Roseamond? Edwards. I sold a plane to a test pilot down there that you probably know.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 That could be... we do live on the Skypark. Let me know if you fly down,,,, lunch on me. Ron Applegate, Cheers !
Looks just like the 1970's FA200 (Fuji Aviation) Subaru (SUBA) - which is fixed gear & aerobatic with 2 front seat occupants - unusual for a 4-place.
At 14:42 that Navion turned into a high wing Cessna for a few seconds!
One of my more embarrassing moments. I have no idea how that clip got in there. - Don the Camera Guy.
We had an EAA chapter member who had a twin Navion. He is now deceased and I believe it was donated to a museum.
Not many of those left. I had the opportunity to buy one a couple years back and kinda wish that I did.
To me, a twin Navion is a great looking airplane
😂😂loved the app bit
Cheap fun.
16:45 She has very handsome wing dihedral. Profile reminds me of Jane Russell.
Elegant and sexy, without being aggressive about it. Couldn't agree more!
The Navion was the first airplane I flew in which was around 1968.
Mark the older Navion has the Smiley face
Had a good feeling that was placerville from the very start ahaha
Because of the old landmark Navion? It's in the pilot guide....almost.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Pilot Hill on the western horizon
Always thought the Navion was a good looking airplane 👌🏻
Yes, it is.
Interesting how you managed to phase into a 172 on final for a brief moment .
Early editing issues.
Good Strong Aircraft.
Built like a tank. 75 years later and hardly any HD AD's on it.
Another great informative video mark,!thank you.
What is its gross and empty weight? Any room for cargo?
Yes. They have a huge rear seat and a huge baggage area behind it.
ok, now i have to have one too.
You can have this exact one for $60,000.
The postwar aviation boom that never materialized ( especially in the case of the Navion ) ?? A lot of pilots, due to their experiences in combat, may have never cared to get under a canopy again.
My father-in-law was a B-24 pilot in WW-II. After the war, he never got in another airplane again. As a career corporate pilot, I asked him why he never had a desire to fly again. He told me it was the most miserable experience of his life. The take-off was marginal because the airplane was laden with gas and bombs; then they would circle for an hour or more while all the bombers got airborne and assembled in formation; and then on the mission he said they froze to death and of course were shot at and had to fly through flak. After he told me that, it was easy to understand why he was happy to stay on the ground. Also like many WWII vets, he would never talk about his war experiences.
@@oltimer5544 Thanks for sharing this story. The deepest respect and gratitude to your father-in-law. Aside from the dangerous flying back then, he will have experienced the pain of watching his buddies being killed, wounded, hurt in their bodies and souls. In those days, PTSD was certainly known (even if with a different name) but those men fought it just by themselves and in the line of duty, day by day -and flying on and on. No excuses. Can we just figure out what a terrible pain that man carried with him since his early 20s? So overwhelming to deprive him -a pilot- from the joy of flying.
Oh really ? Compared to today ? In 46 and 47 over 2,300 Navions were built ! When do you think the most beechcrafts cessnas , pipers, ercoupes, taylorcrafts , aeroncas, luscombes were built ?
Nice! If only it was that easy!! Reminds me of a Subaru/Fuji FA200/160. I remember one of those parked at Thruxton UK in the early 1980s, in green and white, iirc, quite striking. This one though looks much smarter!
The yoke reminds me of an Aeronca Chief's of the same vintage.
Why was there a cutaway to a Cessna/high wing?
Don the camera guy here. I got tired while I was editing and somehow imported a clip from another video. I didn't notice that it was from a Cessna and it made it into the video. We could have taken it out, but then we wouldn't have as much to talk about!
Hi Don, good point well made lol!
Hw is it when your on final saying a lil more flap you are miraculously flying a high wing cessna single and then the next second uour back in the navion lol???
Don the camera guy here ... It's like proofreading your own essay for the 100th time. Somehow that clip snuck in there and I just didn't catch it.
The owner's manual shows that the proper pronounciation is NAvion (Nay VEE On).
Mark ain't from 'round here. He sumtimes miss pronunciates the big words, like 'luminum. - Don the Camera Guy.
At 14:42 you lost the Navion and appear to be in a 172. 🤣 Mark, you are a sly old fox! 🙂
Awkward.... yes an editing faux pas. It's a Bird Dog. Sorry.
"Make it so!"
"Engage"
Expensive air plane
My friend had one of these. He crashed it when the motor quit on takeoff.
Not good.