"Morals" is definitely the wrong word choice, and clearly old Joe was not the only member of the clan who lacked them. I can't feel too sorry for Kathleen. She had a privileged life, did as she pleased, and found love at least twice.
@@TheNester. So very true. You have pointed to it, but let's just get it out into the light. It's more the 1000+ years of Irish Catholic stubbornness tradition. It's the same frame of mind that allowed her to be a frosty wife who allowed Joe to hoe-hunt instead of cutting off his wang. To allow her boys to grow up to do the same. To go to mass and confession and tea, quietly but conspicuously proclaiming her saintly suffering. Very much a Pharisee with Catholic characteristics.
Nobody could ever call the Kennedys “ noble” either, especially the old man, incredible that he and his horrible wife should hold those poor kids to standards that they couldn’t and didn’t live up to themselves.
@@shadowban581 Then farmed her out to an asylum. Never even discussed the lobotomy with his wife. In Rosemarie's later years, they all went to see her. The parents were never noble. Joe made his fortune off of bootlegged whiskey and Rose's father was a Boston politician where kickbacks were standard. Dirty money on all sides. Her father took her to political rallies. She wasn't oblivious where politics got people. Dirty wealth was a big part of that. They tried to sanitize their image by steering their kids into civil activities and politics.
Yup! I was born and grew up in MA. Until JFK's murder, the Kennedys were almost venerated. We had no idea of everything that went on behind the scenes with Joe's cheating, Rose Marie's lobotomy, etc. I was in grade school when JFK died. We were let out early from our Catholic school. As we were walking home, every porch seemed to have families out on them, crying. It was horrible. Even worse, there was nothing but footage about the Kennedys all weekend. We felt bad for them, but we were children, and we wanted our cartoons! I remember feeling so bad for JFK Jr., as the funeral was held on his third(?) birthday.
Kathleen was the one who investigated what a lobotomy entailed and tried to talk her father out of doing it. She even wrote, "Oh, no! This is not something we want for our Rosie!"
The Kennedys were awful parents who could care less about them unless they made the Kennedy name a success! Their children were pawns at their parents need for recognition as being a perfect family!😢
It’s the Irish Catholic inferiority complex, although they never admit it. Especially with American WASPS and English Protestants. It’s a case of we’ll object to you before you inevitably do it to us. Pride plain and simple, and prejudice, on both sides.
It was Rose that was most opposed to Kathleen marrying a protestant. In fact Joseph Kennedy, her father cabled her "you will always be tops with me", or could have been when Kathleen wanted her dad to marry Fitzwilliam. However, Joe Kennedy always stood my his children, even if he tried to steer them in a different direction, in the end he stood up for them and gave them unconditional love.
@@hannejeppesen1809 Never liked or had respect for old Joe, but I've read a fair amount about Kick and her brothers and I think I'd agree; he understood her far better than her mother. It was Rose who was the hard, unforgiving soul.
I grew up in a big family, I had the best mom and dad , always love My parents worked hard ,they would feed anyone mom would say put another tater in the pot.❤❤❤I miss them every day .
Yep, her "beautiful" mother (Rose) would take expensive extensive vacations away from her children as an escape from the stress and anxiety her husband's running around caused her.
@MariaLuvsElvis her "beautiful" mother also lived to 104 years of age, and several of her siblings reached their 70s, 80s, and 90s, and welcomed children and grandchildren, while she departed at just 28.
I don’t think she was cursed at all. She made a series of bad choices that had terrible consequences. Yes, her father was not a good man, and her mother was cold as an ice cube, but cheating with a married man is never a noble thing
He was in the process of getting a divorce, his wife was apparently an alcoholic. The war left many marriages in trouble and these posh folk hardly ever stayed together anyway.
There is no curse. Just bad decisions. Don’t fly in predictable fog banks. Don’t ski trees while playing football. Don’t drive drunk over the chapequiddic bridge. Don’t prosecute the mob after they get you elected.
I have read many books and researched Kathleen Kennedy extensively over the years. I don’t buy into the “cursed” Kennedy narrative. Numerous Kennedy generations made some risky choices in their lives many times over. However I have always been fascinated by Kick Kennedy. RIP Kathleen. Taken too soon. 😢🇺🇸🇦🇺🙏
Parents and Families should never control who their Children marry or love. Real Love can not be chosen except by the HEART and SOUL. Doing this any other way is completely wrong! RIP Kathleen, so sorry you went through so much!😢❤
Rosemary did. Joe Sr didn't even tell his wife. It was years before the family found out what really happened. After Joe died the family started bringing Rosemary to Hyannis Port to visit.
how sad. it is terrible to deAl with small minds and crazy rich people.she was ahead of her time. she made a lot of bad choices.you only see what they what they want you to see,not what goes on behided closed doors.
I would have hated to have been a member of that family. Both parents were sickos. Rose had no compassion that typical mothers have. She even weighed her kids once a week and starved them if she thought they had gained even a pound. Old Joe talked family values and acted like a fool in a cat house with a credit card. I’m glad Kathleen broke away from those awful people and had a fairly normal life after she married who she wanted.
Hm, President Kennedy was one of the classiest president the US ever had. Robert Kennedy was known for pushing civil rights and was horrified about the abject poverty he saw in some states. Someone must have done something right. Eunice Kennedy started Olympics for handicapped and mentally challenges children and young adults.@@zoocheeks
If you call being repeatedly infected with VD because of sleeping around and sleeping with prostitutes a class person , well them yes he was, just check his medical records or his autopsy report and his Doctor writing about it !!!!!.
I find it odd that on the one hand they hid Rosemary and yet she was presented to the Queen of England. She looked beautiful and didn’t appear as though she had any problems when she met her. She was the most beautiful of the girls. Rose wasn’t aware the he was going to have her lobotomized and never forgave him after she found out. He hid her from the rest of the family because she was basically a zombie. He was an evil, evil man.
I’m stunned to read what pitiful parents Rose and Joe Kennedy really were to their children. They had a wonderful opportunity to have the best life loving their children. What a shame to learn of the tragic reality of the lives of the Kennedy family. 😢
You forgot to mention how Rose had Kick's sisters include prayer cards in the letters to Kick's friends and demand that they pray for Kick's lost soul. All of the friends were angry and put off by the horrid demand. And then there was Joe who refused to pay the undertaker at Kick's burial.
Eunice was fairly attractive when young, great hair and smile, she just didn't care much about clothes and fashion, probably Patricia was the best looking of the Kennedy women, otherwise she wouln't have caught the eye of the dapper movie star Peter Lawford.
“A strange, high stoop to her shoulders” This was likely kyphosis, a form of spinal curvature like scoliosis. It’s sometimes increased in women who have it, from slouching forward to cover their chest when developing or, sometimes due to being over developed. It’s not surprising she would shrug her shoulders forward to hide her chest when her dad was so lecherous, “catching her friends alone and tickling and touching them…” there’s no telling what her father did to her and her sister. It makes me wonder if they had another reason to lobotomize her sister, Rosemary Kennedy. So, she couldn’t tell anyone about her father touching her and embarrass him and have everyone know the truth about the family, their closet is full of skeletons.
Reagan thanks for the explanation of kryphosis but in the case of kit I don't think she was covering up a chest cuz she was flat. Also a man like her father wouldn't violated his kids because he had his choice of any woman he wanted. Also she doesn't behave like a child that had been raped in her youth before she had a memory of it. She just acts like a rich hedonistic woman who always got what she wanted.
What a lech going after his daughter's friends. And Rise, such a cold fish, she spent all her free time shopping in Europe and even when JFK was hospitalized, she never bothered to visit him.
Absolutely a great example of “religious intolerance” isn’t new-I’ve often stated that not only is religious freedom was never a” real” American freedom accepted by the white, male , bigoted & misogynistic patriarchy infrastructure
Cant help who you fall in love with. She was very beautiful.they deserved a good life together.😢😢 Karma came back on them joe was responsible for the market depression due to his ambition So they and are lived the karma back on their lives. Sadness and criminal.
Joe Kennedy encouraged his sons to become players. He normalized and encouraged infidelity. The parents steered their kids, especially their sons. Their kids talk about them in a distant way.
There are 2 books that are very good telling her story. One is "Kick Kennedy" by Barbara Leaming, the other "Kick" by Paula Byrnes, both author have credibility as serious writers and historians. TubiTv currently have Reckless Youth available for free, it is about JKF's earlier life until he get elected to congress, the movie also portrays a realistic picture of Kick. The movie is based on Nigel Hamilton's books about JFK's childhood and youth.
Old man Joseph was the devil's henchman. He was a racist against anyone that wasn't Irish or Catholic. He used and threw away people to get want. He wanted including his family. They should have made sure he was Dr. Freeman's patient!
The honorific courtesy style of "Lady" is used for the daughters of dukes, marquesses, and earls. The courtesy title is added before the person's given name. Hence Lady Kathleen Hartington or Cavendish depending on the situations.
@@laughswhentickled As the Duke of Devonshire's daughter in law she was Lady Hartington or the Marchioness of Hartington NOT Lady Kathleen. She was a commoner, ie not a member of the nobility and not a lady in her own right as would be the daughter of a duke, marquess or earl.
Born into wealth, but unlucky due to her father's shenanigans. But strangely he suffered a stroke that silenced him from ever speaking again! Karma's a bitch!😮
Maybe her parents eventually created what some people called The Kennedy curse. Kennedy’s Family tragedies. President Kennedy's sister, Rosemary Kennedy, had part of her brain removed in 1941 in a relatively new procedure known as a prefrontal lobotomy. The family had long described her as "intellectually slow." The operation only worsened her condition and she was institutionalized until her death in 2005 at age 86. In 1944 air disaster that killed President Kennedy's oldest brother, Joe Kennedy Jr, while he was volunteering to pilot a World War II bombing mission in France Four years after the family lost him, a small plane crashed during a storm in France in 1948, killing President Kennedy's sister, Kathleen Kennedy, and three others. She was 28. Saoirse Kennedy Hill, a granddaughter of Robert F. Kennedy, died of an accidental overdose resulting from a toxic mixture of methadone, alcohol and other prescription drugs, according to a newly issued death certificate. President John F. Kennedy and his brother, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy were both assassinated. Two decades ago, a small plane crash killed JFK's son, John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife, Carolyn Kennedy, and sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette. An infant son dies In 1963, President Kennedy and first lady Jacqueline Kennedy suffered yet another loss. They announced the birth of their third child, Patrick, nearly six weeks early. He survived for less than two days In 1964, JFK's brother, Sen. Edward "Ted" Kennedy, survived a plane crash that killed two people. He was on a campaign flight from Washington to Massachusetts In 1984, David Kennedy, one of Ethel and Robert F. Kennedy's children, died in a Florida hotel after a drug overdose. Michael Kennedy, another son of the late Robert F. Kennedy, died in 1997 during a ski accident in Colorado on New Year's Eve. In 1973, Ted Kennedy's 12-year-old son Edward Jr. lost a leg to bone cancer. Doctors diagnosed Ted Kennedy with a malignant brain tumor in 2008 and he had surgery the same year. He died more than a year later at age 77.
It would seem that the Kennedys and the British Royals had a lot in common. What wasn’t perfect to their standards was hidden away, almost forgotten. ie the little prince who had epilepsy… sad💀
I have a serious question to ask, were the Kennedy matriarches related, because Joseph and his wife looked a lot alike. Just wondering if there was any inbreeding going on? As in Royal families
@@AngelNytnurseYou’re determined to find fault with Prince John care, aren’t you? The poor child also had behaviour problems so they stopped presenting him to the public. The Kennedy’s wrecked their daughters brain and then locked her away. Not the same thing at all.
Kick Kennedy was a fantastic girl, she was bright, loving and kind. She had a magnetic personality and befriended both men and women who she was very loyal to. To know her was to love her, my Mum who was a nurse met her once in London during the war, she never ever forgot her and was incredibly upset when she was killed. Rose Kennedy was an abomination in her treatment of her children, JFK had no time for her! I visited her grave near Chatsworth House as did President Kennedy a couple of years back, it’s sad but peaceful. God bless Kathleen x
Joan where's Chatsworth house? Also Joan you couldn't have visited with President Kennedy the grave a couple years ago because President Kennedy has been dead for over a half century. just saying 😉
@@LadyBug1967 hi, Chatsworth House is the seat of the Dukes of Devonshire. This Stately home is situated in Derbyshire England. I meant I have visited Kathleen’s grave a couple of years ago as did President Kennedy when he made a state visit here in the early sixties. Obviously I didn’t mean I went with him!!! 🙄🙄🙄
@@joanbroad3528 Yes and no. The English language has grammatical rules to create easier understanding of another person's thoughts. I read rather rapidly the dozens of comments on each podcast and I love everyone's views so yours really gave me pause, as I tried to quickly figure out-- where is this place and how did this happen two years ago when Kennedy's been dead for over half a century. Now Bobby Jr gets around and is alive but it couldn't be THAT Kennedy, could it? So my mind was rapidly moving thru the hundreds of Kennedy's still alive. As an American we can't get away from them. They're always in the news even if they've done nothing more than have a cup of coffee on the terrace of some nondescript Cafe. So I had to be a stickler for grammar. THAT'S all. Sorry if I disturbed you because I think you're a lovely person and I thank you kindly for telling me where this place is located. Also I'm tired of hearing of the Kennedy curse! IF it's a curse to be a Kennedy, I'll take it any day ! THEY have so much money & so much privilege, such that John Junior, who died in that terrible airplane accident, said that his privileged position gave him one main thing, the access to meeting so many interesting people! THAT'S REALLY what I wish that we all had. That of course is impossible and I realize that. But I do enjoy the people I meet in the comment section of these different podcasts. They are very interesting people with unique ways of looking at things. Thanks & be glad that you live in a country where you can kick your leader to the curb in a wink of the 👁️ while Americans can't even get rid of ours when they're past expiration date & and some seem to boomerang back. 🤨
What they did to rosemary, this is mild ! As a special Ed teacher, it made me sick. How could they treat her with such cruelty ? All for society’s expectations of what is acceptable. Dreadful hypocrites.
Anyone can keep knocking out terms like tragic and cursed but this was just a normal life either way the usual highs and lows that we all experience it is stupid to go for dramatic effect…. We are born, we live, then tragically we die. No one ever gets out of this life alive.
Rosemary was the prettiest Kennedy sister. Kathleen was not really pretty but was attractive. Her personality was so sparkling that people were drawn to her. Eunice was very striking when she was young. Patricia and Jean were considered attractive although many people considered Patricia (who later married Peter Lawford) very pretty.
When I first clicked here, I thought this was about Rose. I'm so sorry to hear that Katherine was treated poorly too. And you mentioned JF and Bobby, but you left out Ted (who outlived his 2 brothers and had just about the same claim to fame, politics). Just saying
I have noticed how cruel and judgemental these comments are. I have read a biography of Kathleen Kennedy and this short documentary is painting an off kilter picture of this situation. You can't believe everything you hear. Read more about the family before making your decission. These people did a life time of good public service. They made mistakes but who doesn't. Kathleen was a young vibrant woman who made her own decissions. Some good and some were mistakes. She was human.
How did you know all the detail of the aircraft crash that killed Kathleen if all the passengers died ?......methinks, this was exaggerated and made up ! Otherwise, it was quite interesting 🥴
Yeah, strict, Irish Catholic morals that old man Joe never abided by.
"Morals" is definitely the wrong word choice, and clearly old Joe was not the only member of the clan who lacked them. I can't feel too sorry for Kathleen. She had a privileged life, did as she pleased, and found love at least twice.
I thought the same thing.
Typical religious hypocrites.
@user-fq8rs7rz3i ---😮😮--and you are a Saint with 2 horns & no halo😮😮😮
John 8:44😮
It takes a cold hearted woman to not even attend her daughter's funeral, not exactly Christian forgiveness.
It was thousands of miles away.
@nicolad8822
They were millionaires, traveling halfway across the world WASN'T a problem for them.
Remember Joseph had flown there and back.
Cruel and heartless. I hate all religions.😡
@@TheNester. So very true. You have pointed to it, but let's just get it out into the light.
It's more the 1000+ years of Irish Catholic stubbornness tradition.
It's the same frame of mind that allowed her to be a frosty wife who allowed Joe to hoe-hunt instead of cutting off his wang.
To allow her boys to grow up to do the same.
To go to mass and confession and tea, quietly but conspicuously proclaiming her saintly suffering.
Very much a Pharisee with Catholic characteristics.
Their mom rose was the only thing decent about that vile despicable family
Rose and Joseph Kennedy were horrible human beings, him especially. I have never had any respect or admiration for that bunch.
Well said !!!
Most people aren't how they present themselves in public. Most keep their dark sides private.
Me neither
They were a crime family .
Those parents were horrible.
It is sad ... too much ambitious and controlling of parents can ruin their children's life.
I agree.
Try ruthless he was the reason the depression happened.
Not as simple as that. Read some history.@@kathleendobens6648
He was a ruthless shrewd business man who amassed his fortune from bootlegging.
It seems that, in terms of their personalities, Joe and Rose were meant for each other.
Nobody could ever call the Kennedys “ noble” either, especially the old man, incredible that he and his horrible wife should hold those poor kids to standards that they couldn’t and didn’t live up to themselves.
They didnt care what they did or with who, they only cared thst they didnt do it in public
Hypocritical snobs .
I think the impact of JFK and RFK's assassination took a bigger toll on Ted Kennedy. He drank.
@@shadowban581 Then farmed her out to an asylum. Never even discussed the lobotomy with his wife. In Rosemarie's later years, they all went to see her. The parents were never noble. Joe made his fortune off of bootlegged whiskey and Rose's father was a Boston politician where kickbacks were standard. Dirty money on all sides. Her father took her to political rallies. She wasn't oblivious where politics got people. Dirty wealth was a big part of that. They tried to sanitize their image by steering their kids into civil activities and politics.
These Kennedy parents were horrible
Yup! I was born and grew up in MA. Until JFK's murder, the Kennedys were almost venerated. We had no idea of everything that went on behind the scenes with Joe's cheating, Rose Marie's lobotomy, etc. I was in grade school when JFK died. We were let out early from our Catholic school. As we were walking home, every porch seemed to have families out on them, crying. It was horrible. Even worse, there was nothing but footage about the Kennedys all weekend. We felt bad for them, but we were children, and we wanted our cartoons! I remember feeling so bad for JFK Jr., as the funeral was held on his third(?) birthday.
Kathleen was the one who investigated what a lobotomy entailed and tried to talk her father out of doing it. She even wrote, "Oh, no! This is not something we want for our Rosie!"
Wow, what a sad story!
The Kennedys were awful parents who could care less about them unless they made the Kennedy name a success! Their children were pawns at their parents need for recognition as being a perfect family!😢
So sad.
It’s the Irish Catholic inferiority complex, although they never admit it. Especially with American WASPS and English Protestants. It’s a case of we’ll object to you before you inevitably do it to us. Pride plain and simple, and prejudice, on both sides.
It was Rose that was most opposed to Kathleen marrying a protestant. In fact Joseph Kennedy, her father cabled her "you will always be tops with me", or could have been when Kathleen wanted her dad to marry Fitzwilliam. However, Joe Kennedy always stood my his children, even if he tried to steer them in a different direction, in the end he stood up for them and gave them unconditional love.
@@hannejeppesen1809 Never liked or had respect for old Joe, but I've read a fair amount about Kick and her brothers and I think I'd agree; he understood her far better than her mother. It was Rose who was the hard, unforgiving soul.
I grew up in a big family, I had the best mom and dad , always love
My parents worked hard ,they would feed anyone mom would say put another tater in the pot.❤❤❤I miss them every day .
She was a beautiful woman, her family didn’t deserve her RIP.
chasing married men not beautiful...she was physically pretty but died early for her disobedience to her beautiful God-fearing mom
Yep, her "beautiful" mother (Rose) would take expensive extensive vacations away from her children as an escape from the stress and anxiety her husband's running around caused her.
@MariaLuvsElvis her "beautiful" mother also lived to 104 years of age, and several of her siblings reached their 70s, 80s, and 90s, and welcomed children and grandchildren, while she departed at just 28.
They didn't deserve Rose Marie either. Joe Sr. was a cheating control freak. He even taught his sons that "it was their duty" to cheat on their wives!
Thank you, very well presented.
She resembles her mother. It was nice to see many pictures I haven't seen before too.
Joy she gave, and Joy she has found ❤️🩹 her epitaph on the grave marker in the Cavendish’s family plot across the pond… RIP
Great video! I’d love to see more on the Kennedy siblings.
Much as I loved Deborah Mitford, it would have been nice to see Kathleen become Duchess of Devonshire and grow old with her Duke.
Wow, this is really some messed up stuff.
I don’t think she was cursed at all. She made a series of bad choices that had terrible consequences. Yes, her father was not a good man, and her mother was cold as an ice cube, but cheating with a married man is never a noble thing
She didn't exactly have role models for parents.
That married man should had not cheated on his wife.
@@angiealexis3093 of course not, but the video was about Kick Kennedy
So she took after her daddy as far as the sex thing.
He was in the process of getting a divorce, his wife was apparently an alcoholic. The war left many marriages in trouble and these posh folk hardly ever stayed together anyway.
If only this form of presentation were more common on the internet. Absolutely brilliant. I dips me lid, Sir.
There is no curse. Just bad decisions. Don’t fly in predictable fog banks. Don’t ski trees while playing football. Don’t drive drunk over the chapequiddic bridge. Don’t prosecute the mob after they get you elected.
Exactly. It’s called bad choices and taking huge risks. What a person I would have loved to know. 🙏😇🇺🇸🇦🇺
Catherine brought a flame thrower to the part. And then used it.
yes, and waiting for cheeto's chickens to come home to roost. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼😊
@@chipcook5346Kathleen not Catherine
@@wannabetrucker7475 No. catherinerhheaume8522 brought the flamethrower.
Nothing wrong with her looks.
I only found your channel a couple of days ago & am binge-watching. Great work! Thank you!
What a sick family.
Everything that grew from that Family, died. True, with most Greedy Fools.
Its called karma. Many enemies could take a list of thousands.
STRICT,German Catholic, All the Discipline and None of the Alcohol
@@Quietly-DavidI thought they were Irish Catholics .
I have read many books and researched Kathleen Kennedy extensively over the years. I don’t buy into the “cursed” Kennedy narrative. Numerous Kennedy generations made some risky choices in their lives many times over. However I have always been fascinated by Kick Kennedy. RIP Kathleen. Taken too soon. 😢🇺🇸🇦🇺🙏
There is no curse. RIP Kathleen 🙏🕊
she did it her way, well done
Swanson and Dietrich were a lot more than starlets.
Prostitutes???
A sick and sad story. Money really can't buy happiness.
Or decency. Or ANYTHING WORTH HAVING.
Their dear ole Dad was a horror!
With all the kids, to the parents, they were just there to service the parents wishes.
There is no words other than GOD help her evil mother and father! Where was the great president and his brothers? What a damn disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Parents and Families should never control who their Children marry or love. Real Love can not be chosen except by the HEART and SOUL. Doing this any other way is completely wrong! RIP Kathleen, so sorry you went through so much!😢❤
Very interesting biography. She certainly was her own person which is very admirable. What amazingly shitty parents.
One other daughter had an lobotomy!
Rosemary did. Joe Sr didn't even tell his wife. It was years before the family found out what really happened. After Joe died the family started bringing Rosemary to Hyannis Port to visit.
That was mentioned in this video
What an awful family for a girl/woman.
Just put a period after "family."
@@chipcook5346Yes, they were skin crawl. 🤮
@@chipcook5346 in Ireland... We don't use that term.
@@Bredamay1 That makes me sad. Hopefully, most of your family still do.
@@chipcook5346 I don't know the point you're making. I use Uk English not American English.
how sad. it is terrible to deAl with small minds and crazy rich people.she was ahead of her time. she made a lot of bad choices.you only see what they what they want you to see,not what goes on behided closed doors.
I would have hated to have been a member of that family. Both parents were sickos. Rose had no compassion that typical mothers have. She even weighed her kids once a week and starved them if she thought they had gained even a pound. Old Joe talked family values and acted like a fool in a cat house with a credit card. I’m glad Kathleen broke away from those awful people and had a fairly normal life after she married who she wanted.
ALL THE MONEY AND FAME BUT NO KINDNESS
Or class.
Hm, President Kennedy was one of the classiest president the US ever had. Robert Kennedy was known for pushing civil rights and was horrified about the abject poverty he saw in some states. Someone must have done something right. Eunice Kennedy started Olympics for handicapped and mentally challenges children and young adults.@@zoocheeks
If you call being repeatedly infected with VD because of sleeping around and sleeping with prostitutes a class person , well them yes he was, just check his medical records or his autopsy report and his Doctor writing about it !!!!!.
There is his public persona and his private. Was he perfect, no. However, as president he comported himself with style and class.@@Mamadukee1
I find it odd that on the one hand they hid Rosemary and yet she was presented to the Queen of England. She looked beautiful and didn’t appear as though she had any problems when she met her. She was the most beautiful of the girls. Rose wasn’t aware the he was going to have her lobotomized and never forgave him after she found out. He hid her from the rest of the family because she was basically a zombie. He was an evil, evil man.
I would agree on that 👍
How screwed up do you have to be to earn the title of " black sheep " of the Kennedy family ?
Definition of a dysfunctional family.
I'm sure they lived at Chatsworth House, cheshire. Very impressive house and estate.
😅he had a great personalty I would be friends with her. Kennedy family were awful people
I’m stunned to read what pitiful parents Rose and Joe Kennedy really were to their children. They had a wonderful opportunity to have the best life loving their children. What a shame to learn of the tragic reality of the lives of the Kennedy family. 😢
You forgot to mention how Rose had Kick's sisters include prayer cards in the letters to Kick's friends and demand that they pray for Kick's lost soul. All of the friends were angry and put off by the horrid demand.
And then there was Joe who refused to pay the undertaker at Kick's burial.
Compared to some of the Kennedy women like Eunice, Kathleen was ver nice looking.
Eunice was fairly attractive when young, great hair and smile, she just didn't care much about clothes and fashion, probably Patricia was the best looking of the Kennedy women, otherwise she wouln't have caught the eye of the dapper movie star Peter Lawford.
Joe Kennedy a total utter SoB
He was a bootlegging gangster that was buddies with Lucky Luciano.
“A strange, high stoop to her shoulders”
This was likely kyphosis, a form of spinal curvature like scoliosis. It’s sometimes increased in women who have it, from slouching forward to cover their chest when developing or, sometimes due to being over developed. It’s not surprising she would shrug her shoulders forward to hide her chest when her dad was so lecherous, “catching her friends alone and tickling and touching them…” there’s no telling what her father did to her and her sister. It makes me wonder if they had another reason to lobotomize her sister, Rosemary Kennedy. So, she couldn’t tell anyone about her father touching her and embarrass him and have everyone know the truth about the family, their closet is full of skeletons.
Apparently got her nickname for her habit of kicking her shoes off.
😂😂😂 wow fantasize much
wannabetrucker You're right. Just making shit up out of the clear blue sky.😂
Reagan thanks for the explanation of kryphosis but in the case of kit I don't think she was covering up a chest cuz she was flat. Also a man like her father wouldn't violated his kids because he had his choice of any woman he wanted. Also she doesn't behave like a child that had been raped in her youth before she had a memory of it. She just acts like a rich hedonistic woman who always got what she wanted.
Stop! I feel sick, although I wouldn’t have put anything past the evil old lecher. 🤮
What a lech going after his daughter's friends. And Rise, such a cold fish, she spent all her free time shopping in Europe and even when JFK was hospitalized, she never bothered to visit him.
Who kathleen or her mom?
Rose
Joe Kennedy Senior almost killed Rosemary with that Lobotomy! Adoree ❤❤❤❤
The way I understand it, ol'Joe had the lobotomy w/o Rose's knowledge.
I knew an English woman who met Kathleen in London during the war.
I DONT BELIEVED THEY WERE CURSED JUST UNGODLY
The ungodly are cursed.
Both true !!!!😊
Rose was evil and Ethel just as bad
Mother's curse will almost always bite you instantly.
Hard to believe the rest of the family had no idea of her whereabouts and situation. Seems like it was more the family secret instead of the fathers.
Absolutely a great example of “religious intolerance” isn’t new-I’ve often stated that not only is religious freedom was never a” real” American freedom accepted by the white, male , bigoted & misogynistic patriarchy infrastructure
It wasn’t that it was accepted, it was the law.
@@lynngregory393I think she may mean socially. Probably still true today. But not everything is about race. Sad.
Cant help who you fall in love with. She was very beautiful.they deserved a good life together.😢😢 Karma came back on them joe was responsible for the market depression due to his ambition
So they and are lived the karma back on their lives. Sadness and criminal.
LOOK HOW THEIR OFFSPRNG ENDED UP
That entire family is the definition of a train wreck , it just proves that money can't buy class .
Joe Kennedy encouraged his sons to become players. He normalized and encouraged infidelity. The parents steered their kids, especially their sons. Their kids talk about them in a distant way.
WHY DONT THEY MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT HER LIFE
There are 2 books that are very good telling her story. One is "Kick Kennedy" by Barbara Leaming, the other "Kick" by Paula Byrnes, both author have credibility as serious writers and historians. TubiTv currently have Reckless Youth available for free, it is about JKF's earlier life until he get elected to congress, the movie also portrays a realistic picture of Kick. The movie is based on Nigel Hamilton's books about JFK's childhood and youth.
I could say the same about Eunice for her work with people with disabilities and founding the Special Olympics.
To have been a school friends who accepted an invitation from Kathleen to "stay at my house for the weekend."
Omg, skin crawl.🤮
Had Kathleen obeyed her parents, she probably would've easily lived into her 90s. She would've had plenty of time to find a good relationship.
An awful family .. awful...
Correct !!!!
I was interested in this video, until the narrator called Billy, Billy Hartington. He was William Cavendish, Marquis of Harrington.
Evil Joe destroyed his daughter Rosemary and Katherine.
Old man Joseph was the devil's henchman. He was a racist against anyone that wasn't Irish or Catholic. He used and threw away people to get want. He wanted including his family. They should have made sure he was Dr. Freeman's patient!
Billy was William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington. Kathleen was therefore the Marchioness of Hartington. She was not Lady Kathleen anything.
The honorific courtesy style of "Lady" is used for the daughters of dukes, marquesses, and earls. The courtesy title is added before the person's given name. Hence Lady Kathleen Hartington or Cavendish depending on the situations.
@@laughswhentickled As the Duke of Devonshire's daughter in law she was Lady Hartington or the Marchioness of Hartington NOT Lady Kathleen. She was a commoner, ie not a member of the nobility and not a lady in her own right as would be the daughter of a duke, marquess or earl.
@@laughswhentickledshe was not the daughter of a Duke. She married the son of a Duke
Born into wealth, but unlucky due to her father's shenanigans. But strangely he suffered a stroke that silenced him from ever speaking again! Karma's a bitch!😮
Maybe her parents eventually created what some people called The Kennedy curse.
Kennedy’s Family tragedies.
President Kennedy's sister, Rosemary Kennedy, had part of her brain removed in 1941 in a relatively new procedure known as a prefrontal lobotomy. The family had long described her as "intellectually slow." The operation only worsened her condition and she was institutionalized until her death in 2005 at age 86.
In 1944 air disaster that killed President Kennedy's oldest brother, Joe Kennedy Jr, while he was volunteering to pilot a World War II bombing mission in France
Four years after the family lost him, a small plane crashed during a storm in France in 1948, killing President Kennedy's sister, Kathleen Kennedy, and three others. She was 28.
Saoirse Kennedy Hill, a granddaughter of Robert F. Kennedy, died of an accidental overdose resulting from a toxic mixture of methadone, alcohol and other prescription drugs, according to a newly issued death certificate.
President John F. Kennedy and his brother, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy were both assassinated.
Two decades ago, a small plane crash killed JFK's son, John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife, Carolyn Kennedy, and sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette.
An infant son dies
In 1963, President Kennedy and first lady Jacqueline Kennedy suffered yet another loss.
They announced the birth of their third child, Patrick, nearly six weeks early. He survived for less than two days
In 1964, JFK's brother, Sen. Edward "Ted" Kennedy, survived a plane crash that killed two people. He was on a campaign flight from Washington to Massachusetts
In 1984, David Kennedy, one of Ethel and Robert F. Kennedy's children, died in a Florida hotel after a drug overdose.
Michael Kennedy, another son of the late Robert F. Kennedy, died in 1997 during a ski accident in Colorado on New Year's Eve.
In 1973, Ted Kennedy's 12-year-old son Edward Jr. lost a leg to bone cancer.
Doctors diagnosed Ted Kennedy with a malignant brain tumor in 2008 and he had surgery the same year. He died more than a year later at age 77.
Thank you for this interesting recap! Had forgotten some of it.
It would seem that the Kennedys and the British Royals had a lot in common. What wasn’t perfect to their standards was hidden away, almost forgotten. ie the little prince who had epilepsy… sad💀
I have a serious question to ask, were the Kennedy matriarches related, because Joseph and his wife looked a lot alike. Just wondering if there was any inbreeding going on? As in Royal families
He was protected, he was was well cared for and visited by his family.
@@nicolad8822 But almost forgotten if not for a brother who mentioned him much later as an afterthought.
@@AngelNytnurseYou’re determined to find fault with Prince John care, aren’t you? The poor child also had behaviour problems so they stopped presenting him to the public. The Kennedy’s wrecked their daughters brain and then locked her away. Not the same thing at all.
@@Roz-y2d you have your thoughts and I have mine, you don’t have to agree, but I am entitled to mine. Nuff said!
"Marcus" of Hartington 😂
Kick Kennedy was a fantastic girl, she was bright, loving and kind. She had a magnetic personality and befriended both men and women who she was very loyal to. To know her was to love her, my Mum who was a nurse met her once in London during the war, she never ever forgot her and was incredibly upset when she was killed. Rose Kennedy was an abomination in her treatment of her children, JFK had no time for her! I visited her grave near Chatsworth House as did President Kennedy a couple of years back, it’s sad but peaceful. God bless Kathleen x
From what I've read of the Kennedys, both Kathleen and JFK were especially close. Indeed, when JFK learned of her death, he sobbed.
@@KOMET2006 yes you are absolutely correct!
Joan where's Chatsworth house? Also Joan you couldn't have visited with President Kennedy the grave a couple years ago because President Kennedy has been dead for over a half century. just saying 😉
@@LadyBug1967 hi, Chatsworth House is the seat of the Dukes of Devonshire. This Stately home is situated in Derbyshire England. I meant I have visited Kathleen’s grave a couple of years ago as did President Kennedy when he made a state visit here in the early sixties. Obviously I didn’t mean I went with him!!! 🙄🙄🙄
@@joanbroad3528 Yes and no. The English language has grammatical rules to create easier understanding of another person's thoughts. I read rather rapidly the dozens of comments on each podcast and I love everyone's views so yours really gave me pause, as I tried to quickly figure out-- where is this place and how did this happen two years ago when Kennedy's been dead for over half a century. Now Bobby Jr gets around and is alive but it couldn't be THAT Kennedy, could it? So my mind was rapidly moving thru the hundreds of Kennedy's still alive. As an American we can't get away from them. They're always in the news even if they've done nothing more than have a cup of coffee on the terrace of some nondescript Cafe. So I had to be a stickler for grammar. THAT'S all. Sorry if I disturbed you because I think you're a lovely person and I thank you kindly for telling me where this place is located.
Also I'm tired of hearing of the Kennedy curse! IF it's a curse to be a Kennedy, I'll take it any day ! THEY have so much money & so much privilege, such that John Junior, who died in that terrible airplane accident, said that his privileged position gave him one main thing, the access to meeting so many interesting people! THAT'S REALLY what I wish that we all had. That of course is impossible and I realize that. But I do enjoy the people I meet in the comment section of these different podcasts. They are very interesting people with unique ways of looking at things. Thanks & be glad that you live in a country where you can kick your leader to the curb in a wink of the 👁️ while Americans can't even get rid of ours when they're past expiration date & and some seem to boomerang back. 🤨
Made his money in prohibition days
She was a beautiful woman.
god bless kathleen.you are in the arms of god,hug rosemary for us.
What they did to rosemary, this is mild ! As a special Ed teacher, it made me sick. How could they treat her with such cruelty ? All for society’s expectations of what is acceptable. Dreadful hypocrites.
Thank you for teaching very special people! I have great admiration for special ed teachers.
It’s interesting how the philandering father was fine with his mistresses in plain sight but Kick couldn’t cut it with a married count.
You didn't mention Senator Ted Kennedy who doesn't have the halo like John and Bob,
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What halos? Those two were not angels by any stretch of imagination.
They didnt have halos either. Just that Teddy got caught with Cappaquiddick. They had a rapist and murderer in the next generation
@@jennifferwalton3345 Old Chapaquidick Fats caused his own problems, leaving poor Mary Jo to drown . What a coward.
Anyone can keep knocking out terms like tragic and cursed but this was just a normal life either way the usual highs and lows that we all experience it is stupid to go for dramatic effect…. We are born, we live, then tragically we die. No one ever gets out of this life alive.
So much money little love 😓
The only good looking Kennedy woman there was.
Was who? I always thought it was the daughter RoseMary
You can really tell she was a Kennedy.
Rosemary was the beauty of the family, she looked nothing like the Kennedy's.
Rosemary was the prettiest Kennedy sister. Kathleen was not really pretty but was attractive. Her personality was so sparkling that people were drawn to her. Eunice was very striking when she was young. Patricia and Jean were considered attractive although many people considered Patricia (who later married Peter Lawford) very pretty.
God punished the Kennedy Clan.
He was a very evil man and chasing hi daughters female friends money talks gross old men use it......
Very sad family so cursed no wonder sons were assassinated 💀💀
When I first clicked here, I thought this was about Rose. I'm so sorry to hear that Katherine was treated poorly too.
And you mentioned JF and Bobby, but you left out Ted (who outlived his 2 brothers and had just about the same claim to fame, politics).
Just saying
Ted was a sexual abuser. Read about a woman he raped that he worked with. A murderer of young girl kopene in the water drowned and walked away.
Ted was responsible for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne at Chappaquiddick. That was Ted’s claim to fame!
PEOPLE ARE CHRISTIANS ✝️ WHEN IT SUITS THEIR PURPOSE ONLY WHEN THE 📷 CAMERAS ARE ROLLING
Don’t lump Christians in with the KENNEDYS, they lived for themselves only and the rest was show.
Edensor is pronounced Enser.
He seemed to have difficulty pronouncing or enunciating a lot of words.
Very pretty lady.
My Great-grandfather was a Protestant so what?
Ketlyn era uma moça bonita magina os filhos lindos que ela teria com o marido
RIP. ☮️☮️💟
Don't forget ROSE . KENNEDY HEe presented her with a LOBOTOBY.
Heart broken my tush
She was controlling
Oh yeah, like the father and boys didn't have affairs right and left. The less rightful is always the one that opens the mouth
I had no idea about Kathleen! That curse was real!
I have noticed how cruel and judgemental these comments are. I have read a biography of Kathleen Kennedy and this short documentary is painting an off kilter picture of this situation. You can't believe everything you hear. Read more about the family before making your decission. These people did a life time of good public service. They made mistakes but who doesn't. Kathleen was a young vibrant woman who made her own decissions. Some good and some were mistakes. She was human.
How can ''Factinate'' make vids about Hollywood and have NO CLUE what a ''Starlet'' is?
Too funny!! LOLOLOL
Kathleen is Rose's twin!
How did you know all the detail of the aircraft crash that killed Kathleen if all the passengers died ?......methinks, this was exaggerated and made up ! Otherwise, it was quite interesting 🥴
Read the book!