Being in a country where you can only ride on private tracks and trails due to people complaining about noise pollution from petrol bikes. I could see these things seriously taking over in the next few years. I know I'm buying one
Thanks for posting 👍 Looks fun to ride! I saw those troll comments saying “JUNK” I’m sure they haven’t ever tried one before. Looks like a fun bike and I would be stoked to ride it!
Definitely ain't junk lol Love my exc for riding the back paths. No one even bothers you because they don't even know I'm there. Perfect for neighbors that would usually call the police with my loud af 2 strokes
A buddy of mine purchased the 2021 KTM freeride and it's definitely a pretty solid and gnarly bike. I never thought in my lifetime I would ever ride an electric dirt bike and better yet think about even purchasing one. I've taken my friends everywhere from the mountains, race track, highway/freeway, roadway, and just about anywhere else you can think of. Definitely a good bike and a good start to see what the future holds with new technology when it comes to electric dirt bikes.
I think he misspoke on the fork, the freerides are using the 85/105 forks, not the full size mx forks(43mm vs 48mm and 10in vs 12in travel). I would love one of these but the price is too high at the moment and used ones are few and far between plus still cost alot when you do find them. Theres a used 2020 for $11k within driving distance from me but thats essentially new price. For now I'll just keep on rocking my modded surron(which has ktm forks lol) and when I need a full size bike to race I have a 20 TC125 and dr200 for trails when my wife takes the surron haha
@@EdwinOlding I keep wanting to build a 20+kw 4x4 quad. With at least 20kw of battery. All shaft drive. Perfectly quiet. Everything you need is readily available. But since I'm so busy with building my house, you guys should build one so I can live vicariously through you. You already have a Grizzly base. You need to swap that grizzly motor into some sort of power wheels soon anyways right? lol
I was just talking with some of my moto friends about electric bikes and my biggest complaint is just loving clutches and gearing on a bike. Sure you’d eventually get used to just a one drive thing but I really think these companies should introduce a least a clutch into the equation. Think of all the times you would rev the engine and pop the clutch to wheelie or get over obstacles. On a e-bike a clutch could help with that even in the lower HP modes.
I have a electric motorcycle on the way with 4 speeds and a clutch I will be doing videos on soon you are totally right it is a must. The gears should help extend the range too!
the reason most electric vehicles don't have gears or clutches is driveline loss, i.e. the butt ton of friction that's caused by these technically not mandatory things
The reason why revving the engine and using clutch to accelarate works on a gasoline enine is that with higher revolutions you get more torque. With electric motors the torque stays the same with different revolutions. So doing that with an electric motor would be just wasting power on friction and you would still get the same torque. Having gears to increase torque or top speed works but it adds a lot of complexity and cost with a relatilely low advantage
I just found GHPC like 3 weeks ago and have been obsessed, then in a video yesterday found out about your channel and I'm loving it! I know I'm late to the party and you may not see this, but how do you get your vocals to sound so good in the videos? I had a scarlett solo audio interface and switched to the universal audio volt 4 recently. Got rid of my usb mic and got the audio technica AT2020 and in my videos I cannot get my voice to sound nearly as clean. Not sure if the vintage preamp giving my voice tube saturation is doing it (though that should make it sound nice and rich), or if my EQ and compression settings in davinci resolve are just off. Didn't have to do much to my USB mic to get a great sound, but with XLR I do. Maybe it's just giving me a more accurate recording of my voice that I'm not used to. Or something as simple as my gain being too high catching room reflections. Lol.
Your first impressions of the KTM were telling in light of owning a modded Sur-Ron. What you get with a "Project" bike is even after changing everything except the frame & motor, is still a $ 3,500 Chinese bike with all the compromises baked in from a company designing to a price point...not to get the best bike they can make. While the KTM is also built to a price, $ 10,499 gave the engineers a lot more room to work. With a 15kw Sur-Ron yes its fast, but essentially, you have just thrown a lot of aftermarket parts at a 30 mph chassis & all the wheels, suspension, brakes etc. don't give you a cohesive package like you get from a company that has been making 60 mph+ dirtbikes for 50+ years.
you could build something as good or better than this bike for about 3k (probably less if you find a cheap dirtbike frame..I actually bought a new chinese dirtbike and after the engine overheated on me I decided it was time to convert it!) . I just recently finished an electric dirtbike conversion with a qs 138 v3 motor and votol em150/2 controller (got them from electro and co) and im using a 72v 25ah battery that can supply 200a peak. Just finished the build a couple days ago and its mind blowing. Tops out at 60mph (the ktm is 50)..with my current setup the motor is capable of 15kw (18kw on the ktm but it weighs over 70 lbs more than my bike) and 56 nm (42nm on the ktm). I built this bike for less than the cost of a second ktm battery :)
I have rode one and they are fun, you only get 1hr or so out of the battery on an mx track and 2 ish on single track. The battery pack drops to about 70% cap after 700 cycles which is great for about 600hrs riding, a T2 would have been rebuilt many times in the same time frame and factor in the cost of fuel, premix and gear box oil, a replacement battery looks like an ok deal. The deal breaker for me is still the range and charge time.
It's a 2021, it's my friends bike he has done about 30 rides on it over the summer and loves it, I hammered it around the local Moto X track and got 50 minutes till it hit 35%, it's more of a woods/single track bike than a MX, his words are it's a fun 2nd bike he is going to stick an X11 on the rear for the winter and try and follow me around on the trials bike should be fun LOL.
I like what my wife said about getting our daughter an electric bike. "I don't want her on an electric bike, because I want people to hear her coming". I honestly didn't think about that myself and agree with her.
2023 will be the special year lol it gonna be 2023 pretty soon and nothing impressive has come out. But only the stark vary you can start preordering them
My thoughts exactly on Surron vs Freeride. No amount of money thrown at the Surron can bring it up to the KTM level. I would like to see 5 to 10 more miles of range and 12" of suspension. If next gen is close to that, I will be knocking on my dealers door!
Hey, since you do alot of hillclimbing, you should check out, race spec surron for their awd system, they claim it makes a huge difference, and that the regen braking on the frontwheel also increase driving time alot. Would be nice to see someone check out if it's as good as they say.
There's plenty of material of this bike already in youtube. I don't think it is worth producing more until KTM comes out with a real dirt bike. This is semi-bike for semi size riders (youth). I missed clutch and foot brake when I owned one for a short period of time.
6:44 is one of the guys from grind hard plumbing? i just started watching them a few weeks ago and i recognize their RX7 trike there, which is really cool to see outside their workshop.
He mentioned in the video that there's just four screws holding the battery and then it pulls out and it's 65 lb but you can change it pretty quickly if you have another one. Personally I'd like to see KTM change it to some sort of quick-release like ski boots to release the battery
@@gear323 thanks, I missed that. I bet an extra battery is big $. This bike looks really good for a couple of hours at my local state park, swap batteries at lunch & go for another 2 hours!
The big companies are working on a standardization of batteries so that way you can swap batteries between different manufacturer bikes. Once that's done and as Battery Technology keeps getting cheaper that will help a lot because a lot of the cost of this bike is the battery
I have testdriven a new e freeride yesterday at a dealer and was very dissapointed (max charged and set to 3). No start power and no top speed. For this small amount of power the chassis is too good/big/overbuild, so it feels even more lame.I really don't understand how someone can pay so much money for such a slow bike. I drove a Zero fx and was blown away by the power and the price is similar ( I know the chassis on the fx is worse, not for real single track). Are there any other possibilities to derestrict/tune the power on the e freeride?
That's my hangup as well. "Better" is dependent on the situation, I ride mostly super tight slow speed stuff and I feel much quicker than on a fullsize bike. Make no mistake, I want one of these too!! But I still think at nearly half the weight, the sur ron is still better in some situations.
So what happens when you’re out trail riding or out hill climbing you can do that all day on a gas bike but on that piece of shit you only have two hours and you have to go home and charge it for an hour that’s no fun
@@EdwinOlding I hope you get to try out a drill One, Surron Storm Bee, and the Cake bikes as well before considering which one is the best. Maybe even the Time ET bike as well.
This is so cool it’s amazing to see the advancement in e-bikes
Technology is moving so fast with electric motorcycles!
@@EdwinOlding I'm looking into getting a bike this looks cool af.
Being in a country where you can only ride on private tracks and trails due to people complaining about noise pollution from petrol bikes. I could see these things seriously taking over in the next few years. I know I'm buying one
Finally finished a new song! (The one in this video) it is on Apple Music Spotify and the rest of em! ua-cam.com/video/yGGYCkG-NaA/v-deo.html
just noticed you guys finally got the verification mark, congratz !
18,000 watts sounds so much more impressive than 24 horsepower
It really does
1.8 times ten to the negative 5 gigawatts
Thanks for posting 👍 Looks fun to ride!
I saw those troll comments saying “JUNK” I’m sure they haven’t ever tried one before.
Looks like a fun bike and I would be stoked to ride it!
Basically a KTM 125 2stroke race bike with a battery instead of a gas tank haha it’s awesome!
Definitely ain't junk lol Love my exc for riding the back paths. No one even bothers you because they don't even know I'm there. Perfect for neighbors that would usually call the police with my loud af 2 strokes
@@elderone7733 They definitely seem really cool 👍 being super quiet is awesome!
Yeah
Can't wait to see bigger versions of this bike in th future .. I could see a Enduro ktm ebike with a ton of range and torque
Yes I think that would be amazing!
Oh KTM Ebike is winner for sure. Can't wait for next video.
A buddy of mine purchased the 2021 KTM freeride and it's definitely a pretty solid and gnarly bike. I never thought in my lifetime I would ever ride an electric dirt bike and better yet think about even purchasing one. I've taken my friends everywhere from the mountains, race track, highway/freeway, roadway, and just about anywhere else you can think of. Definitely a good bike and a good start to see what the future holds with new technology when it comes to electric dirt bikes.
I think he misspoke on the fork, the freerides are using the 85/105 forks, not the full size mx forks(43mm vs 48mm and 10in vs 12in travel). I would love one of these but the price is too high at the moment and used ones are few and far between plus still cost alot when you do find them. Theres a used 2020 for $11k within driving distance from me but thats essentially new price.
For now I'll just keep on rocking my modded surron(which has ktm forks lol) and when I need a full size bike to race I have a 20 TC125 and dr200 for trails when my wife takes the surron haha
Hopefully you'll be able to compare the KTM EXC vs the Sur Ron Storm Bee. They look very similar in size and specs.
I like the tech finally making it out there.
It really is I can see this bike just being improve dramatically every year
@@EdwinOlding I keep wanting to build a 20+kw 4x4 quad. With at least 20kw of battery. All shaft drive. Perfectly quiet. Everything you need is readily available. But since I'm so busy with building my house, you guys should build one so I can live vicariously through you. You already have a Grizzly base. You need to swap that grizzly motor into some sort of power wheels soon anyways right? lol
Such a great video! Im excited to hear more about your hands on thoughts!
Coming soon for sure
I was just talking with some of my moto friends about electric bikes and my biggest complaint is just loving clutches and gearing on a bike. Sure you’d eventually get used to just a one drive thing but I really think these companies should introduce a least a clutch into the equation. Think of all the times you would rev the engine and pop the clutch to wheelie or get over obstacles. On a e-bike a clutch could help with that even in the lower HP modes.
I have a electric motorcycle on the way with 4 speeds and a clutch I will be doing videos on soon you are totally right it is a must. The gears should help extend the range too!
@@EdwinOlding Sick man, I can’t wait!! It’s so cool to hear back from the man behind the videos. Keep up the awesome work!
@@EdwinOlding looking forward to that. My biggest complaint too...
the reason most electric vehicles don't have gears or clutches is driveline loss, i.e. the butt ton of friction that's caused by these technically not mandatory things
The reason why revving the engine and using clutch to accelarate works on a gasoline enine is that with higher revolutions you get more torque. With electric motors the torque stays the same with different revolutions. So doing that with an electric motor would be just wasting power on friction and you would still get the same torque.
Having gears to increase torque or top speed works but it adds a lot of complexity and cost with a relatilely low advantage
Power is pretty good on it! And it gets to 50mph in what 3 seconds? 🚵♂️⚡⚡
Great video - thanks for taking the time to show us this! What kind of hoops would you have to jump through to get one on the road?
I just found GHPC like 3 weeks ago and have been obsessed, then in a video yesterday found out about your channel and I'm loving it! I know I'm late to the party and you may not see this, but how do you get your vocals to sound so good in the videos? I had a scarlett solo audio interface and switched to the universal audio volt 4 recently. Got rid of my usb mic and got the audio technica AT2020 and in my videos I cannot get my voice to sound nearly as clean. Not sure if the vintage preamp giving my voice tube saturation is doing it (though that should make it sound nice and rich), or if my EQ and compression settings in davinci resolve are just off. Didn't have to do much to my USB mic to get a great sound, but with XLR I do. Maybe it's just giving me a more accurate recording of my voice that I'm not used to. Or something as simple as my gain being too high catching room reflections. Lol.
We love our pair of them. Great fun to be had. Don’t lend them to your “friends” or they’ll total one and lag two years on fixing. 🥴
Your first impressions of the KTM were telling in light of owning a modded Sur-Ron.
What you get with a "Project" bike is even after changing everything except the frame & motor, is still a $ 3,500 Chinese bike with all the compromises baked in from a company designing to a price point...not to get the best bike they can make.
While the KTM is also built to a price, $ 10,499 gave the engineers a lot more room to work.
With a 15kw Sur-Ron yes its fast, but essentially, you have just thrown a lot of aftermarket parts at a 30 mph chassis & all the wheels, suspension, brakes etc. don't give you a cohesive package like you get from a company that has been making 60 mph+ dirtbikes for 50+ years.
you could build something as good or better than this bike for about 3k (probably less if you find a cheap dirtbike frame..I actually bought a new chinese dirtbike and after the engine overheated on me I decided it was time to convert it!) . I just recently finished an electric dirtbike conversion with a qs 138 v3 motor and votol em150/2 controller (got them from electro and co) and im using a 72v 25ah battery that can supply 200a peak. Just finished the build a couple days ago and its mind blowing. Tops out at 60mph (the ktm is 50)..with my current setup the motor is capable of 15kw (18kw on the ktm but it weighs over 70 lbs more than my bike) and 56 nm (42nm on the ktm). I built this bike for less than the cost of a second ktm battery :)
nice video man, thanks. I had the same thoughts. had about 7k into my sur Ron and just sold it this week and put a deposit one of these
The drift trike in the background lol
Yes!
How did it do on the jumps? ;p
That bike is pretty sick.
I have rode one and they are fun, you only get 1hr or so out of the battery on an mx track and 2 ish on single track. The battery pack drops to about 70% cap after 700 cycles which is great for about 600hrs riding, a T2 would have been rebuilt many times in the same time frame and factor in the cost of fuel, premix and gear box oil, a replacement battery looks like an ok deal. The deal breaker for me is still the range and charge time.
What year was it?
It's a 2021, it's my friends bike he has done about 30 rides on it over the summer and loves it, I hammered it around the local Moto X track and got 50 minutes till it hit 35%, it's more of a woods/single track bike than a MX, his words are it's a fun 2nd bike he is going to stick an X11 on the rear for the winter and try and follow me around on the trials bike should be fun LOL.
Great review! Have you checked out the Stark Varg?
Wasn’t expecting to see an 18,000 watt FIST ride on UA-cam! Had to double check I wasn’t on the other website I regularly visit……..
I got to ride the electric motion trials yesterday it's an amazing bike....
I like what my wife said about getting our daughter an electric bike. "I don't want her on an electric bike, because I want people to hear her coming". I honestly didn't think about that myself and agree with her.
So cool!!!!
I need one!
@@GrindHardPlumbingCo same!
Still kinda regret selling my surron but with the genre growing still, definitely looking forward to your insights on these 'next level' beasts
The price tag isn’t realistic its not a piece of engineering like a engine is. So I’ll definitely ride one when they fix the price tag
Totally agree
2023 will be the special year lol it gonna be 2023 pretty soon and nothing impressive has come out. But only the stark vary you can start preordering them
you need to make more vids.They are awesome!
Thanks! Will do!
I hope I live long enough to see new battery chemistry come out.
My thoughts exactly on Surron vs Freeride. No amount of money thrown at the Surron can bring it up to the KTM level. I would like to see 5 to 10 more miles of range and 12" of suspension. If next gen is close to that, I will be knocking on my dealers door!
Thanks!!
Have you tried a CZEM Drill One yet?
Drill one drill one drill one!
Hey, since you do alot of hillclimbing, you should check out, race spec surron for their awd system, they claim it makes a huge difference, and that the regen braking on the frontwheel also increase driving time alot.
Would be nice to see someone check out if it's as good as they say.
Do they sell that?
@@EdwinOlding If i understood correctly they are going to soon if they don't already do.
There's plenty of material of this bike already in youtube. I don't think it is worth producing more until KTM comes out with a real dirt bike. This is semi-bike for semi size riders (youth). I missed clutch and foot brake when I owned one for a short period of time.
Ethan casually brapping by in the trike
Nice bike! I only wish it had conventional right-side up forks to gain a tighter turn radius for trialsy stuff
Good ol fist ride
I gotta have one of those
I'd take a 300 2T any day of the week. Long live 2 strokes!
Same
6:44
is one of the guys from grind hard plumbing?
i just started watching them a few weeks ago and i recognize their RX7 trike there, which is really cool to see outside their workshop.
Who do you thinks holding the camera?
Was that grind hard plumbing co on his drift bike at 6:45?
Sure was! Everybody was at this race!
@@EdwinOlding that’s awsome
Wp suspension I hear is a amazing suspension shop. I have a Surron in south Florida where you guys located?
Makes for a killer supermoto
Seriously!!
What about the Drill One? You have these in the US?
I want one! Think I should trade off my 300?
GET ONE!
What are your thoughts about the Cake bikes, and have you ridden one of them yet?
Get a suron. More fun
I’ve ridden the cake on a small track and it felt too small compared to a normal dirt bike. The power was strong.
Does it fit into a Toyota Tacoma 5ft or 6ft bed?
This dude has money
Is it allowed for a 13 years old ?
Ive got to get one
I wonder if the battery is easily swappable & how much $ an extra battery would be?
He mentioned in the video that there's just four screws holding the battery and then it pulls out and it's 65 lb but you can change it pretty quickly if you have another one.
Personally I'd like to see KTM change it to some sort of quick-release like ski boots to release the battery
@@gear323 thanks, I missed that. I bet an extra battery is big $.
This bike looks really good for a couple of hours at my local state park, swap batteries at lunch & go for another 2 hours!
KTM battery is 3500+ USD :)
All this electric stuff is so far out of my price range . Maybe in 10 years if my old bones are still able to ride
I’m hoping the price comes down dramatically with more and more people getting into it
The big companies are working on a standardization of batteries so that way you can swap batteries between different manufacturer bikes. Once that's done and as Battery Technology keeps getting cheaper that will help a lot because a lot of the cost of this bike is the battery
Do you have an Instgram link?
26 horsepower and 220 pounds? So it's like a 250cc?
That's 26 average HP, not peak HP
Only down side is you cant hear your buddies bikes bc they make no noise
True!
You should change your name to electric Edwin
Fist ride?
Yup!
The title says "FIST RIDE" instead of first btw lol
Lmao grind hard plumbing on the trike
They will start Winning as soon as someone who knows how to ride starts racing one
Haha yes!
I would glady go to a track but i dont live near one
I have testdriven a new e freeride yesterday at a dealer and was very dissapointed (max charged and set to 3). No start power and no top speed. For this small amount of power the chassis is too good/big/overbuild, so it feels even more lame.I really don't understand how someone can pay so much money for such a slow bike. I drove a Zero fx and was blown away by the power and the price is similar ( I know the chassis on the fx is worse, not for real single track). Are there any other possibilities to derestrict/tune the power on the e freeride?
The Surron Storm Bee is 22,500 Watts
Bummer the thing weighs 250 with such crappy range. I love my tpi… but my Surron is quicker in tight technical terrain being 1/2 the weight.
That's my hangup as well. "Better" is dependent on the situation, I ride mostly super tight slow speed stuff and I feel much quicker than on a fullsize bike. Make no mistake, I want one of these too!! But I still think at nearly half the weight, the sur ron is still better in some situations.
@@lemurdreamur9257 I totally agree.. Surron created something truly unique .. somewhere in between.
Only two hours of battery time that’s nothing
You need to lean back when doing a wheelie
This guy work for Ktm? Lol
someone tell this guy there's a such thing as electric start on dirtbikes lmao
So what happens when you’re out trail riding or out hill climbing you can do that all day on a gas bike but on that piece of shit you only have two hours and you have to go home and charge it for an hour that’s no fun
Ngl dude i hate e dirtbikes🤮
But like for enduro i mean🤷♂️
Junk
Definitely doesn’t have the ease filling up the tank in a few seconds but besides that it’s pretty impressive to ride!
@@EdwinOlding I hope you get to try out a drill One, Surron Storm Bee, and the Cake bikes as well before considering which one is the best. Maybe even the Time ET bike as well.
Sounds like a gimmick..
So cool!
Thanks!
Thanks!
Junk