The Stormlight Archive | 5 Theories For Book 5
Вставка
- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Now that book four of the Stormlight Archive, Rhythm of War, has been out for a couple of months, I’ve been increasingly interested in making a few theory videos on my predictions for book five of Brandon Sanderson’s epic fantasy series. Well today is the day we discuss a few of those theories and try to make educated guesses at what’s going to happen next in this Cosmere novel.
Now as we know, book five is the last of this arc of the Stormlight Archive. Book six will be the first of the second arc that takes place at least ten years after the events of book five. So while I feel it’s too early for prediction videos on the end of the series, I think a prediction video on the end of the first arc is perfectly doable...
Artists:
Antti Hakosaari: www.artstation...
Randy Vargas: www.artstation...
Eryck Tait: www.erycktait.com/
Xabi Gazte: www.artstation...
Madison Coyne: / suchbluesky
Yoav Kozenyuk: www.artstation...
Elisgardor: / elisgardor
Caio Santos: www.artstation...
Connor Chamberlain: / conjchamberlain
Petar Penev: www.artstation...
Taratjah: www.artstation...
Ralf Melevo: www.deviantart...
Shuravf: www.deviantart...
RSpixart: / rspixart
EccoS: www.artstation...
Follow Me On Twitter: / ravenisranting
Like, Comment, Subscribe!
We now have a Community Discord called Raven's Roost! Join us for fun cosmere and fantasy conversations, memes, and theories! We also host occaisional community events!
Join The Community Discord: discord.gg/2FepUFr4rz
My theory: Lopen is actually Adonalsium
Ok, haha. Now my actual prediction: I think that the 5th book will end on a bitter sweet note and that the whole second ark will be way darker and in book 10 we will actually get some kind of a happy ending.
I totally agree on the darker second half!
And you may be on to something with the Lopen theory there XD
Right, Gancho!
Lopen is absolutely adonalsium
I think its kind of important we see kaladin when he's older and not perfect but doing better.
I agree, but Brandon has a knack for killing the dreams of his readers 😂
I think Kaladin's natural progression as a character will lead to him sacrificing himself to save others.
@@carlsmith4568 im afraid you are right...
I think it would be cool to see him play a Zahel type role many years later
I hope Kaladin sacrifices himself , he whines too much
The reason simple reason why I don't want Kaladin to die is simple, for someone that has fought so hard against his thought and mind his biggest victory is simply find the will to live everyday.
That's what happened to Teft in the end though.
I hope Rock bonds a flame spryn and becomes a Radiant of cooking! "I will feed airsick lowlanders who cannot feed themselves!"
😂
I think Brandon said (somewhere, don't remember exactly when but I have the impression he said himself). That the main characters we are used to, will still be main characters to the end, and he won't end their story abruptly. I think he explained that when talking about how the "1 character focus per book dynamic" works.
That gives me so much hope
I don't think Kaladin's arc is heading towards death.
I think ever since the Honor Chasm, he's been trying to convince himself that he can live, that he won't be overwhelmed by all the bad things that happen to him.
I think it makes more sense if he dies of old age, like Syl's last Radiant.
To die young for your oaths is one thing, but to uphold them all the days of your long life, that's a different kind of inspiring.
I feel tears welling up just thinking about Kaladin dying
I understand your pain bro
Kaladin becoming part of a new oathpact would be more interesting than just dying
My theory is that Taravangodium convinces Dalinar to willingly join him and fight alongside him in the wider Cosmere war, possibly making some concessions related to Roshar that Odium doesn't like but Taravangian the man does.
Taravangian the man always believes he is doing right at any cost. He's ruthless but not cruel. He's not a bad choice of person to lead a war against an external threat that could enslave or destroy all of Roshar, and while Dalinar would rather lead himself, he'd be willing to negotiate here.
I would not be shocked to see the duel cancelled by mutual agreement, basically by Dalinar conceding in exchange for firm unbreakable promises related to Roshar.
I like this theory better than my own. I'd prefer it to be a mutual agreement than Dalinar being beaten and forced against his will
Taravangian is cruel. He is not sadistic, but he certainly is cruel. He's a consequentialist utilitarian, believing that a noble enough goal justifies any amount of cruelty.
Just think about how insane this is going to be when book 10 comes out. Imagine finishing the tenth book
I can't even imagine my life at that point, let alone the actual book
Propably as invested as when reading memory of light.
Kaladin will die but be invested, between Hoid taking a big interest in him, the story of Fleet and Zahels talk about investment the clues are there. I also think his storyline merges with Rysn to protect the Dawnshard through a relationship with Rysn or Cord. Who better to protect the Dawnshard then a loyal hero who is the epitome of Honor. He has already stepped back from the leadership role he is prime for the bodyguard protecting the love of his life and the Dawnshard role. I think the flute plays a big part in the investment.
Plus it keeps him around without being a main character.
I'm so hoping this is the case
I'm not sure about Kaladin dying. It is the most popular prediction; however, his journey seems to be moving away from fighting. Sacrificing himself to save others would have my guess before ROW, but it contradicts his 4th oath. I want Snaderson to address long term mental recovery for him. Kaladin's death would break that thread. (unless Lirin became the first therapist which would be a good way to handle them both). ROW was about him choosing to live and realize he can't protect everyone. It just seems off to remove that growth by a martyr death. My personal guess is that Kaladin take Jerzin's place in the oathpact. We have him going to Shinovar to help Ishar - seems to be a connection there.
Agree about Shallan and Testament.
Dalinar will lose. I see Dalinar as the big death next book or becoming a mind-controlled Fused. Taravangium is a huge threat and him losing now would be cheap. (Unless Cultivation destroys Odium instead to become the villian. I would love to see Cultivation go evil some point in the back 5)
I would love to see Moash redemption, but I'm not sure Sanderson will do that.
Shallan saves Ba-Ado-Mishram. Then becomes a world-hopper at some point.
Lol I guess we'll have to wait and see
Thank you! I see a lot of talk about Kaladin dying but I feel like it would hurt his development. Personally I feel like right now dying wouldn’t be a big choice for him, especially if he did it to save someone. Idk I just think it doesn’t make much sense as an end to his arc, but that’s just my personal opinion
Something that I have been thinking about, which mostly came from Odium's line about the "War for the Cosmere", is whether Brandon is trying to build up an Avengers style crossover that pits Knights Radiant against Mistborn and so on. I'm not sure if its necessarily what I want for all of his series but I could see it as something that he might do, even though he has a tendency to be more subtle with his Cosmere connection, Rhythm of War was much more blatant so it's possible.
I'm just as curious to see where this whole Cosmere war goes
Killing Dalinar and Kaladin is a bit heavy. Both speculations make sense, but together they are too much.
Note that Dalinar won't be killed. Just defeated. But you make a valid point
I think Gavilar is exactly as dead as Kelsier is. I think we might see Gavilar as Odium’s champion. Second theory is basically baseless but I feel the first is very likely considering the way he spoke before his death. I also am kind of hoping for a mistborn-esque ending where someone becomes both Odium and Honor in order to have perfect balance in the shards that govern Roshar. Dalinar is the obvious choice, considering his early life was spent controlled by Odium, before being helped by Cultivation and living with honor later in his life. He understands both Honor and Odium.
That would be a crazy reveal tbh
I might be wrong but from what I understand the only reason Preservation and Ruin could be merged is because they were exact opposites. I believe that the only other shards that could possibly be merged are Dominion and Devotion. I believe Brandon Sanderson said this but I might be completely wrong.
Love the Galivar idea. Or, can Odium bring back Dalinar's first wife to be his champion? Dalinar is all "oh the guilt!" and Navani is all "girlfriend please".
Bringing Gavilar back would be an immense letdown. Also, where would Gavilar have gotten enough Investiture to become a Cognitive Shadow? He dies after failing repeatedly to bond the Stormfather, and I don't think Odium would have foreseen any future use for him to keep him around. Remember that Odium bet it all on Dalinar becoming his champion and lost.
No redemption for Moash. I don't want him redeemed, especially after his actions in book 4
Lol fair enough 😅
My predictions:
1. Shallan and Adolin under the guidance of Restares try to find the unmade Ba-ado-Mishram before the ghostbloods do.
2. Szeth's past will be revealed via flashbacks. I guess he will take revenge against the Shin. Also probably there might be Szeth vs Skybreakers under Nale in Shinovar. Also Szeth will take his next oath in front of Ishar.
3. Most of the listeners might end up being Willshapers
4. Dalinar will be forced into a situation which is emotionally devastating for him
5. Atleast 1 of the 4 remaining female heralds will be revealed
6. Sigzil becomes the leader of Windrunners in Kaladin's absence
7. Kaladin probably helps ishar break out of his Tezim shell
Lol I feel like some of these have even been confirmed already
You've already been told what's going to happen to Kaladin, it's the title he (and only he) has been given along with the explanation of what the Fifth Ideal is for each Knight Radiant along with what Syl has said she believes him to be. (and no, it's not stormblessed, though that will play a part in it)
You bring up the point I've noted since Oathbringer and how Aodlin thinks himself worthless because he's "surrounded by gods and heralds", whereas he's the only one who actively has treated others as being better than himself. He will heal Maya by saying the first and second ideals of the Edgedancers (and really, it'd fit his personality if you look at how he acts) but no, Shallan will become a worldhopper and start to affect things in the wider Cosmere akin to Hoid - likely becoming his apprentice.
Everyone is going for the "he loses" argument, eh I dunno, unless we learn Hoid's letters are set after the current era of Stormlight then I'm not convinced, if we are told that, then yeah he does and I'd then guess that Trell is likely Dalinar working for Odium on Scadrial as Odium is likely still scared of Sazed. (oh and just to point it out here so I can say "told ya so" the main antagonist is NOT Odium. We only just met her in book 4 guys but we've heard a lot about her before now)
Moash is going to die- by Kaladin's hands - and it'll be his struggle in book 5 to realise what Honour is and to accept it. Moash has made his choices and is too prideful to accept when he made a mistake, he isn't going to turn from Odium, he'll want to become one of the Fused so he can fight eternally. (won't happen Odium will just refuse it as he'll see the man as a failure and discard him like Taravargian does for everything not working out perfectly)
Do not disagree at all with number 5, fits perfectly as we've already got one group who are likely already on the "listeners" side rather than the "singers" side in the Skybreakers (they side with the original rulers of Roshar) and with who I think the main threat'll be for the series, we already known who their generals are going to be and who the REAL bad guys are.
Wow this is actually a very nice and insightful comment :P and I do like some of the points you bring up
My theory is that if someone's gonna die on book 5, it's gonna be Adolin. Think about it: he's close to pretty much every POV character so far, and even closer with (arguably) the three most important characters in the series: Kaladin, Shallan and Dalinar. And besides, he's such a good boi, him dying will be a BIG gut punch
I can see where you're coming from, but I think Kaladin has a higher chance. Though Sanderson may very well choose to kill Adolin to keep his main cast intact while having a strong emotional gut punch. We'll have to see
I think that one of three things will happen either he’ll die in a sacrifice, become Odiums champion, or have a happy ending (I think this is the least likely)
I think Adolin might be forced to succeed Dalinar. He hasn't wanted any role in leadership so far and I think it would be good character growth to see him forced into it and learn to excel. I could possibly see him as the high emperor in the next arc.
If adolin dies ,shallan will be odiums champion for sure
adolin might die, but I don’t think it’s gonna be in book 5. he still has so much potential to grow as a character, and has had zero moments where he does something useful by himself. if branderson kills him now, he’s throwing away so much good material
At first I was skeptical that Dalinar might lose, considering how insurmountable Odium might be at that point... but now this has got me thinking of a human-listener coalition vs Odium and it feels entirely plausible.
Lol yeah we'll have to see how it plays out
I do not see Kaladins death. He has grown and is on a good arc to be killed, doing so would demoralise the reader similar to the arrival of Negan in walking dead. He has achieved a lot and I anticipate him reaching the 5th ideal in the second part of the series.
Dalanar Looses. I feel this is quite likely. It would be hard for us readers but a strong story to follow with Dalanar working with TerOdion (sitting by the fire filled with hate).
As a side, I think we should expect something terrible will happen to Wit in the next book. A shredding of his abilities and powers? A lose of his mind? Killed by another?
I certainly hope Kaladin doesn't die, but I feel it may be inevitable. I doubt Wit would be killed, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was hurt or negatively affected in some way
I could just listen to your theories all day without even saying anything back, so good man.
Lol glad you liked the videos
I heard someone else theorize Kaladin lives, and his 5th ideal is “I accept that sometimes I’m the one who needs protecting”
I think that is a better way to end his arc
Nice Video!
My theories are:
- (T)Odium finds a way to avoid the champion's duel or he/it wins the duel
- Shallan meets Kelsier ( Lord of scars)
- Adolin becomes a Stoneward
- Kaladin and Szeth travel to Shinovar and find every shin to be dead and no a clue of the honorblades
Dalinar wins, but Taravodium declares that the deal was with Raze, not him.
Some pretty solid guesses there actually
@@jacksonskinner7879 He can't do that. He was incapable of hurting Hoid directly, so he is bounded by that pact.
@@jacksonskinner7879 wasn't stated in the epilogue that the deal was with Odium, so Tarav cannot unmake it?
they wont kill kaladin he is the ONLY viewpoint of what it means to bond a spren which is by definition of what the books are about and also he is the one we follow with the ideals... so no he wont kill kaladin
I really hope you're right
I think that dalinar will end up stepping back and let Kaladin be his champion, and Taravangyns champion is going to be an innocent or child making kaladin sacrifice himself and in turn sacrifice the man he swore to protect
That could happen, but I have a strong feeling that Dalinar will be his own champion. We'll have to wait and see :)
I want to see Kaladin cleave through a fluffy little puppy dog with his shard blade.
honestly if Kaladin died I'd be less invested not more. He's the character who's future I'm most interested by far. Killing someone when they seem to complete a character arc is so cliche that I hope we don't see it, especially because Kaladin seems to have so many different kinds of setup. I honestly don't know that it would feel like the stormlight archive without Kaladin
The only way I think it could be cool is if he dies and oradin gets syl in the back half
here's my theory. Hoid has coppermind backups.
Potentially, but Brandon Sanderson confirmed the memories were in Breaths so those specifically were definitely tampered with. But I wouldn't put it past Hoid to keep Coppermind backups if he could
Yeah that whole scene has me questioning he was playing with a coin made of metal talking about slight of hand right before the interaction. That whole set up makes me think hoid knew exactly what he was doing
Kaladin is going to Damnation to be tortured in order to honor the newly formed oathpact Dalinar will achieve. Kal has a dream that foreshadows this in ROW, and the groundwork has been laid to reform the oathpact.
How fitting… for Kaladin to protect everyone. Book it, it’s happening
This seems very likely tbh
@@RavensRants Hate to see it, but I’d have to agree. The main question with this theory is how does Kaladin become a herald?
We'll have to see, but Dalinar will definitely have something to do with it
I got to thinking about Dalinar and Taravangian's relationship and I think that Dalinar would probably find a way to find and bond the fragments of honor. (I can't remember if odium destroyed that shard or not) but I think this could be massive for the next half of the series.
I see so many people putting out theories and comments on the theories, and I just want to say, please, no redemption for Moash. That’s all.
Awww so mean 😂
@@RavensRants yeah, after he pushed Kaladin to commit suicide in RoW, that drove it over the edge for me.
Hope you feel better soon. And I’m completely astounded with how quickly your sub count is growing, been watching since the sub 100 days.
Also, I can totally see BrandoSando pulling some crazy “stuff” like you’ve theorized. It’d be just like him.
Thanks so much Josh, I always appreciate your comments. In fact, I may just give you a special mention of thanks in the 500 sub video :)
@@RavensRants - Wow, I would be honored! But I did catch the “may” there, so no pressure or disappointment if it doesn’t happen. I’d still be just as stoked for the channel either way.
@@joshhoehne8281 Just keep an eye out ;)
I don't think he will kill Kaladin off just because he won't want Syl to suffer again. Just my opinion
I hope he doesn't kill Kaladin, but I think he might
@@RavensRants it would definitely be a surprise, but I think because Syl's last partner was killed he will let Kal live. I hope so anyway, Kaladin is literally the reason I started reading the books.
One of the pre-chapter Gods narrating stated "Im looking for an avatar possibly...one who can kill but who can also protect"
Kaladin
I think that Dalinar is going to become the new vessel for Honor somehow
A very popular theory too
Oathbringer will be a religious text I'm sure of it. I'm not sure if I think dalinar will take a shard the book will be super important
@@althechicken9597 makes sense considering we've already seen something similar happen w kelsier
Yes
I think this seems imminent. Especially when it was revealed that Cultivation was orchestrating Taravangian’s path to Odium. She has done something similar for Dalinar and Lift. Plus, it allows the continued philosophical contest between the two men about how to achieve goals.
My predictions are that:
1. Book 5 takes place over the 10 days prior to and during the duel.
2. Adolin will be the main character and will bond Maya.
3. Kaladin dies invested and becomes an immortal like some other notables in the cosmere.
4. Honor gets re-formed, possibly taken in combination with another shard.
5. Books 6-10 will deal with the discovery of large-scale transportation of investment through shadesmar to other worlds and kicks off a war between the shards (from different worlds).
I think Kaladin lives but many other characters die.
I think Dalinar will lose the duel. Todium will have some insane plot that makes it a no win scenario. Maybe he concedes, maybe just outright loses.
What I did want to know is *why* odium has been so set on splintering shards. It must be more than just he is odium. I want to see what the interaction between Cultivation and Taravodium is like. A POV with inner dialogue would be fantastic. Remember, Cultivation planned for Taravodium to come into being. She cultivated him. She has a plan, but we really don’t have any idea what it is.
Im waiting for the cosmere shattering event that causes all the worlds from all the separate series coming into the story of Stormlight Archive. This will likely happen in book 5. We have been seeing more and more instances of workshopping getting a focus like in book four of StormLight, so slowly but surely the other worlds will become involved in major ways moving forward.
Nah Kal ain’t dying. His and Sylph stories is too incomplete. Just cause ones at peace doesn’t mean he will not have to fight.
I loved non-combatant kaladin in book 4. Him helping with therapy sessions was such a brilliant move and something I had not read before. I would be so disappointed if he died and didn’t continue being a force toward positive mental health. Also, I think Dalinar will die and I think Moash will be a more important character for the future than 99% of characters going forward. He’s a foil for kaladin and may end up being a “final boss” of sorts. And yes I think moash would be a final boss more than taravodium would be.
Nooooo not Dalinar 😱
I think dalinar became the new vessell of honor, and lift became the new vessel of coultivation since the only 3 person that have met coultivation were taravangian, dalinar and lift so i think it's all a plan of coultivation to make the 3 shard on roshar to be ready for fight toghether in the greater cosmere war
Honor as a Shard was splintered, so it's impossible for it to get a new vessel. And unless Cultivation dies or gives up the Shard, I don't think Lift will become Cultivation.
That said, I do think Cultivation has some sneaky plans we're not even aware of yet
The agreements for the contest between champions was different.
It was about regaining alethkar and herdaz if dalinar's champion wins and if Tarvagian's champion wins, he will have Dalinar as a fused plus he will keep all of his conquered lands. And in either cases he will be trapped in Roshar
These are some great character-focused theories, but it ignores deeper overarching possibilities tied to the nature of the Stormlight Archive as a whole.
The best Stormlight Archive theories make us re-examine what we see as constants in the world, not just predict character twists.
You say that you cannot recover from clinical depression, but that is not true, because there are people who have done so.
Mmm, he said you don't really recover from clinical depression LIKE KALADIN HAS. (Not yelling, just showing emphasis). People recover from Clinical Depression, yes, but there are varying degrees, and Kaladin has demonstrated nearly the most severe degree possible. The losses and emotional scars and extreme betrayals he has been through, are each quite extreme and would be challenging enough on their own, but when you view them all together, for the experience of one person, it's... a lot. He can get to a point of function, even high function, but to say he could completely recover I think ignores both the severity of his experiences, and the combined, cumulative effect of them. He will always carry those emotional and spiritual scars, and they will always be difficult for him at best.
One can achieve high function in life without ever fully recovering. I speak from experience.
here are my theories/ hunches (also keep in mind i don’t know that much about the cosmere)
I think the twist in book five will change how we as an audience view the conflict on Roshar, so i completely agree that the enlightened singer/radiant group will become VERY relevant in the later books. fundamentally, the stormlight books are about colonialism and the complexities of such a topic in a real or fantasy setting. If the back half books continued to follow the same Singer/Human conflict presented in the earlier books, i don’t think the nuance brandon wants to portrayed would be shown. the war and shards themselves could change a lot in the fifth book, and i think they’ll be developed in a completely different direction when it comes to who is the real “good guys”. I don’t know how exactly that would happen but it would leave the first stormlight pentalogy on a bittersweet note and leave the latter pentalogy to explore even more.
but i don’t think the change in book 5 will be dalinar’s “death” but rather his displacement, especially if he still exists, but not able to affect anything in a meaningful way for now. if he was apart from the conflict then many characters could develop a lot more (adolin and renarin especially, but the kholins and alethkar as a whole honestly). i know it wouldn’t make much sense for the “final battle” to be prolonged any further, so Dalinar neither dying not winning wouldn’t make much sense. if dalinar won there would still be issues to fix, but if he lost then the narrative would lose so much. this is all to say i’m lost on Dalinars place in book 5 and the final battle with odium.
also i keep trying to convince myself that kaladin will live, mainly bc he still has the potential to accomplish a lot (in terms of helping others). kal was fulfilled from acting as a therapist, but he still has work to do, despite reaching a place where he is okay mentally.
but i guess we never know until we read book 5 huh? anyway i liked watching ur video and i’m really excited for book 5
You make some good guesses
I think Kaladins progress is a better counter point for him dying
There is a misunderstanding of the deal that Odium and Dalinar come to at the end of RoW here. The final deal they strike is not that Odium will leave Roshar. It's that the war will stop regardless, and that Odium will not leave the Rosharan system. If Odium wins, he will keep Alethkar and Herdaz and will get Dalinar's soul to be his general. If Dalinar wins, Alethkar and Herdaz will be returned to the humans, and Dalinar will be free.
I still feel like Odium winning will be the better narrative choice, but the evidence put forward here isn't as strong.
Another theory of mine is that Dalinar will lose but honorably such that at the moment if his defeat he ascends permanently to the Shard or atleast Splinter of Honor. And since Honor is bound by Oaths it will adhere to the pact .Hence Odium will have an entire subservient Shard or semi shard
You should join the Discord to talk about these theories
I’m exhausted with Captain depression allowing moash to kill so many because he wouldn’t stand up to his coworker.
I think Dalinar losing and being an antagonist in the second half of the series would be a really cool direction for the series to take.
I was your 700th subscriber. Awesome video mate. 👌👌
Welcome aboard and thanks for Subscribing!
What ever happens in the 5th book , I want a scene with lift , szeth and Wayne together somewhere in the 6th book. Please Brandon ! I need that .
Lol here's hoping
Or wayne and lopen.
Wayne is Dead 💀
On Kaladin You can't have him off leading a fighting force. When you need to be a feature character in the story. I believe he will be name the High Prince over The Sadeas section . Ishar said he wants to start a new oathpact. He may need a Windrunner. Kaladin could wind up as a herald. Taravangian is great at weaseling out of things. He will find a work around. Also Brandon Initials maybe BS. At least they are not GRRM. I just don't see him killing a main character half way through the series
I am personally find it obvious that Kelsier will be the villain for the next era as Sanderson said that kel will end up a villain
I think that if Moash dose leave Tarivodium he would either join the Dustbringers or windrunners (probably Dustbringers because of the Responsibility sense to there oaths). That would be a nice way to show off the Dustbringers on the radiants side.
Possibly
Brandon is creating an Avengers like cast out of certain characters (Harmony, Vasher, etc.) who will aid Wit in the end. Who will he add from the Stormlight? I’d guess Kaladin.
About taravodium, I am a bit confused, has raravomdium become good, after all cultivation is guiding him and he says he wants to save Roshar
ROW SPOILERS:
So Taravangian was always crafty and willing to do unspeakably evil acts in the name of what's good. He's ruthless on the level of Thanos from Marvel because he will just wipe out half the population if it meant survival and a good life for the rest. So with him becoming the new Vessel of Odium, I'm very concerned and not very confident he'll end up being good.
And yes, this is despite Cultivation's potential intervention. I don't think she'll be able to turn him "good".
Life before Death, Radiant, you've earned my sub
These words are accepted. Lol thanks ;)
Very upset with you about the Moash thing! I want Kaladin to sacrifice himself to kill Moash. I think Gavilar will be Odium’s champ, but that’s too much to type right now. Haha. Dalinar is by far my favorite but I also think he could potentially lose ONLY because I don’t know where else books 6-10 would go otherwise.
Lol you're upset? But Moash did nothing wrong though
Kaladin:
1 - Wouldn't it be more like Sanderson to explore a character who are forced to go against what they're good at. This is a newer, less tread-upon storyline. Also, he can still have a big fight, win or flee and live.
2 - This is why he needs to live. We've never seen a major character give up violence and be true to it, especially if Kaladin keeps that up for the 15 years during the storyline gap
3 - An arc can change or twist just like any storyline. Moving on is just a step in the middle of a larger story arc.
4 - Brandon will not, does not have to, and does not like to cut a cast of characters for any reason. His books and character lists are long, his fans like it and he needs it for his stories.
5 - Agreed. But I think if we are saying this, it's probably too obvious for Sanderson to do.
Shallan:
1 - Agreed. But I believe this is this majority consensus.
Dalinar:
1 - Agreed but I'm not sure Dalinar loses is the only outcome besides Dalinar wins. There are so many scenarios or events that could occur that would change everything about the contest and how we view it and its outcomes.
Moash:
No comments.
New Group:
Never heard of it, but makes sense.
I had theories going into the last book, the ending of rhythm has kind of destroyed my idea of where the series was headed, now I am not sure which way Brandon will take it. will the second half be the swing to sci fi?
I think the Cosmere SciFi swing will happen way later tbh
@@RavensRants I think the Sci-fi desk stuff will appear later in mistborn. There's 4 eras, with only 2 being published so far, and era two takes place in an 1800-1900's setting from what I've heard, which takes place 300 years after era 1. So I can see the next eras transitioning to a sci-fi setting.
I think if they kill off Kaladin in book 5 itll actually make people not want to read the next books.
Nah people would still want to see the end of the series
I theorize that Dalinar will lose to Taraodium in book 5, but because the shard will still be stuck on Roshar he will invest Dalinar with more power. That representation that Sazed showed to Wax near the end of the Bands of Mourning is actually Dalinar, acting on Odium's behalf.
Oooh I like this idea. Don't know if that is actually the case, but I like the concept
I have a similar theory too
I honestly don't see how the duel will even take place. I don't think Odium loses, but I can't see Dalinar losing either.
- Perhaps TOdium lost but he is able to exploid the thousand years part and use his "shard perseption of time" to trick it into 10 years. Also, he can create a new menace in order to force Dalinar into freeing him later.
- I like to think that Moash will play a big part on defeating TOdium. He has a bond with him, a bond is dangerous to a shard.
You make a good point. Moash will definitely have a large role to play
I’m wondering if this third faction will be the ghost bloods stepping up in Roshar or maybe the night brigade?
Part of me can see Jasnah becoming a vessel.
While I could picture it, I don't see it actually happening though XD
Kaladin cannot be dead unless he kills himself. Stormfather refers him as “the son of tanavast” , i think there is a knot brando sando keeps at it.
I think they will reforge the Oathpact with new heralds
Rock will become a stoneward
Lol it may very well happen
Dalinar will die, but having already sworn the fifth ideal in Oathbringer (I am Unity) will be put on Braize.
Dunno. Kaladin's whole arc in the series is about him *not* dying even though he sometimes really wants it. I don't see him eventually "succeeding" at it, even in a heroic fashion, as a satisfying end for his arc. I can, however, totally see Syl dying instead (by getting stabbed with anti-stormlight), so Kaladin's arc finishes with him living through the loss of his closest friend and then going into full retirement, while helping people however he can.
My theory is szeth meets with ishar “cleanses shinovar” and restores the oathoact, bringing the surviving heralds out of their insanity to watch over mankind
Hmm we'd have Ishar's craziness to deal with first
Another great video! Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much!
Just finished RoW this past week. My theory is that Adolin will be the one who dies (not Kaladin). Shallan will grieve but she will eventually be a worldhopper (I don’t see Adolin as a world hopper). I hope Kaladin doesn’t die. He could still have pivotal yet background roles in the future like Zahel and Azure.
I think Kaladin might die but then become spren. In the Fleet Story after Shinovar he died but it was not his end. Maybe He Will become new Honor spren. What do u think? Especially finishing with such honorable deed like you mentioned He would become great honorable living idea...
Had no idea why Taravangian was this Taravodium, until it clicked it my head. That took an embarrassingly long time. - / / / -
😂
I think that having your suicidal character die just as they are getting better is kinda tone dead.
I do think that Dalianar will lose tho and that gives us the bittersweet ending to part one
I don't taravangian got any increase in intelligence when he ascended. He definitely got shard level power but remember The previous odium was stupid because raze was atupid
Great video man! Subbed.
Welcome to the community :)
I also think that moash might become a radiant in book five he might bond the Soren and get his eyes healed
Kaladin can’t die in book 5, since he hasn’t finish the death rattles yet
I certainly hope he doesn't die. I just think there's a strong chance
For the Dalinar theory maybe he does defeat Todium and 10-12 years in Book 6 they come up with a way to trap him in a gemstone but fail and get caught? Causing them to break the contract and in turn allowing Todium to return prematurely?
I hadn't considered dalinar losing till you pointed it out. Perhaps dalinar loses in order to go to braize as a part of some effort to reforge the oathpact on his own.
great video! subbed, looking forward to more!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Dalinar collects the fragments of honor Ascends to apotheosis
If some1 were to become Honour's vessel would it be dalinar or kaladin
If that were to happen, my money is on Dalinar
I predict:
Oathpact is going to get restored with the pov characters becoming heralds.
Odium rounds out the first Era. I think he will lose while still winning but get off roshar
Dalinar is going to "unite" men and singers
Era 1 will end with a new big bad. For some reason it seems we are destined to get an interstellar war and stormlight is the oil analog
Cultivation is going to be a major player
Restored urutheru is going to be Roshars only defense against the new big bad
We will get a huge lore drop about adonalsium and the first planet when Seth goes back to shinovar.
I don't see kaladin dying yet .
I think this book will see the first non hoid multiple powered person too. I don't count mistborn 7
There just no way after everything, and being given a new brother that Kaladin just dies. Like he often says he always lives, I think he’s meant for much more. I hope
I didn't read through all the comments so forgive me if this has already been said, but I don't think Odium is the big bad anymore. He's now a puppet of Cultivation, and also I think she's been pulling the strings behind the scenes from the beginning. Whether (T)Odium wins or not isn't really that big of an issue because if he gets sent away for 1000 yrs Cultivation becomes the only Shard on Roshar, and if Odium wins he owes his existence to Cultivation who's been a step ahead the whole time. She wins either way.
I'd love to see Roshar losing and becoming an army that invades other worlds
İ dont usually look for theories so dont know if this ever mentioned but i have a crazy theory that kaladin dies and comes back as a honorspren
I used to think Kaladin would die but I don't anylonger I will also hate the 5th book if he does...
I have a theory that Adolin will be the champion against Dalnar. There is a growing schism between them that Odium could use.
we need lopen and wayne together somehow
Lol that would be awesome
Loved it bro. Keep it up!!
Thank you! And I don't plan on slowing down any time soon :)
My main theory for book 5 is that it won't come out soon enough to please me.
Jan 2022, that theory proved right (:
Raven, how's your Raven's Roost coming along? I'm still not well and have trouble coming online for more than a few minutes, but I hope you're doing well and reaching your goals.
If your theories are coming true, I'll yell coward! After Malazan Book of the Fallen, everything with less than 20 main characters lacks ambition. I hope Sanderson comes into his own and is able to hold his main cast and keep on adding to it. Sure, Ericson sacrificed my favorite character in book 2 of the Fallen, but that character remains a main influence right until the the of book 10. The most impressive character, Kellanved, was already dead when the book started properly. I'd love to see at least one comparable work, that keeps you tied to its story arcs without letting go of characters, but keeping them and adding to them without much room for breath. Ever since Martin's sequence, I've learned to despise character elimination for shock value...
And since I'm evil, no redemption arc for Moash! Let him fade into being meaningless to us, forgotten even by TaravOdium, so Moash has to face what he did. His attitude after killing Teft - not sorry for what he did, only sorry for what it made him feel like - got me to white hot hate Moash.
Be well, good luck!
I highly dissagree with Kaladin dying, though I do think his story, to us, will end. He has struggled with sucidal tendencies, depression and ptsd, and so it simply seems wrong for Brandon to kill him off, it wouldn't fit with his journey. His journey is all about finding out how to live with ptsd and depression, and he is a role model for many with the same struggles irl. I don't think the end of his journey, at least the one we get to read about, is death. It seems much more plausible for him to find peace a different way, perhaps by creating modern therapy, perhaps in a different way. After all, we have been told that the only thing that can kill Stormblessed is himself.
Dalinar though, he's gonna die.
Edit: and return from death and work for Odium, but still, die. Or maybe he loses in a different way?
Rlain and renarin?