fans hated those kind of videos especially when their faves are suddenly exposed in a bad light. can't help it when they're overrating mediocre skills 🤷
@@nyinyinyi07 There is no absolute limit. The highest C on the piano, written 3 octaves above the staff, is perfectly legitimate. However, practically speaking, notes that far from the staff will almost always be written in a musical phrase containing other nearby notes, so the 8Va notation is used.
A friendly reminder than sounding decent does not equal having a supported voice! Having support is a technique and important to preserve vocals. Support has a richer tone while none sounds strained/constrained.
@@garimasuhani7227You can be supported AND have stylistic choices 🤷🏻♂️ it doesn't hurt to sing healthier. Besides, don't you think it's fruitless if your faves train for years only to end up in around W-A? Cause the point of vocal training is to have technical skills. Might as well just train for a bit then debut unless you're training for other stuff lol
@@garimasuhani7227idk about you but i'm also normal ppl and i'll still choose the one with good technique because it's always sounds pleasant while the one without good technique mostly sounds strained even my untrained ears can hear that
@@garimasuhani7227 Supported is the basic of singing so singing without Support might destroy the singer voice and let them loose their voice for the Long run
Who needs support when most of the groups is using Auto Tunes & loud backtrack. With this crap standard even OT5 TVXQ got called for unsupported vocals, but can sing live for 2 hours concert.
this video is extremely interesting ! not so much because of the clips _(sorry, dear uploader, i don't mean that in a negative way)_ but because of the comments. this video does not contain any controversial topics, but only shows high notes sung by female idols...and yet some users here behave beyond opinionated, disrespectful and disgusting. the comment section under this video would be a feast for any psychologists and psychotherapists 😁
This is such an awesome video! I feel like I can learn so much to be able to understand singing and sing better myself by consuming this kind of content ❤
WOW what a fun video this has been. I really did enjoy it a lot. I watch a lot of reaction videos and many are done by professional singers and vocal coaches. Me i just know what i like and who. This has been one very lively thread and a lot of fun to follow. So many diverse opinions and some people actually get upset. Oh my. I would love to know where you got that clip of Haerin of Divichy. That was cool. I like that pair anyway. And i agree that SoHyang is not KPOP but you would have been negligent to leave her out since she is such a notable singer in Korea in general. Not to mention that on her series she has sung with a lot of KPOP idols in a duet and shown her love for that genre as well. Anyway, again thank you for this great video and entertaining comment section.
Oh good video ! HUGE skills differences between some of them but I get what you are trying to do. (small nitpick is some clips I feel like are not the best of some of them)
vowels actually hinder openness but it's not like those people modify their vowels to produce an open sound. besides that, it's not like they are even capable of doing a good belting 😅
Hi just watched your community post that put vocalist in categories. I saw Rami and Rora but I didn’t see Chiquita and Pharita. I heard Chiquita is a very good vocalist but just doesn’t have a high range. I would love to see your assessment. Also I would love to know the assessment of the rest of kiss of life and NewJeans
I don't want to be shady, but that G#4 from Park Bom though 💀 I don't think i've ever seen someone straining that bad in such a low note, not even baritones
sad that yg basically just focuses on their vocalists having “unique voices” (aka singing in cursive) and doesn’t actually care about their technique or vocal health
Here before the non vocal normies gets mad 🤭 Also, I always thought Lia's note in Loco was a C5 instead of Bb4, then again, she struggles in her mix, she would've ended up screaming notes beyond A4 unless they're falsetto, someone get this girl a good vocal coach pls, I don't want her to damage her voice
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It goes up to C5 in “down” lol, the sustained bit is Bb4
@@elfy2006 it's more like her mix needs more training, she shouts any notes beyond A4, however that's on JYPE for the most part, Itzy needs outside vocal training
It indeed wasn't "so" bad ,but it was not good/decent either. It was pushed and yelled straight from her throat, as a result you can hear it sounds quite throaty.
Maybe I'm just ungifted and talentless but I genuely can't distinguis from good and bad belting here (excepte first with Jennie Ig). What to look for in belting to determing if it's bad or not?(
You wouldn't really be able to identify the difference clearly without knowing what each aspect should sound like. First and foremost, there is support. The easiest way to identify it is by hearing how hollow or full their sound is. More advanced ways that should be taken into consideration, like how developed their muscles are. All kinds of muscles apply all the way down to the pelvic muscles, as some would say; it is all a matter of ear training. Second is placement, to where the voice is being directed. Third is the flaw; there is a variety that could be as simple as being stuck in the nose to not being able to sing properly (messiness, unawareness). Other common examples people usually give out are throat tension, tongue tension, glottal tension, nasality, breathing issues, undeveloped core muscles, etc. When you do state something, no need to state everything (nobody does that here). It doesn't go like "Ailee's A5 is very strong in support. It's chest belted with strong chest coordination. It is nasality free and is placed directly forward, but has a bit of throat tension going on."
Video is really explanatory and great. I hope you will reply, i am waiting for the answer. Can u pls tell me the vocal support range and vocal tier of Rosé from Blackpink And Is Jennie from Blackpink And Is Jennie from Blackpink is better than Jin from BTS Objectively in Vocals?? And One more thing Can u rank Chaeyoung, Jennie, Mina in vocals?? Just take it as a request from your fan
Rose is W-A, has about A3/Bb3-A4/Bb4 iirc. Jennie is low W at best, not familiar with Jin but I feel it's a pointless comparison since none of them have any significant advantage over the other. It's also pretty pointless to rank MiChaeng and Jennie. They're all low weak at best.
@cyj7n Thanks Is Rosé supporting Bb4 consistently ?? Or is it shallow?? And Like Many youtubers are ranking Jennie over Jin has she has improved her shallowness more than Jin and I guess Jin can't even support and Jennie supprts. So she has a plus point And in Michang and jennie ranking toutubers are ranking Chaeyoung>Jennie>Mina Or Jennie>Chaeyoung>Mina Still not confirmed about this
@@adiuraj2296 as sootzubae said Jin support shallowly and Better than the lowest W Jay park so Jin is W with like Eb3/E3~D4/Eb4 While jennie at her best will be Low W but she is not consistent enought to become solid W so she still underdeveloped
Honestly kpop never focused on vocals.. it was always visuals and decent dancing.. kpop idols who are also good singers are rare to find. I only listen to yuju in kpop because i cant stan untalented people being hyped so much while real talent gets ignored. Grave injustice in this world
vocals are almost literally 100% of their music with a few raps 😅 dancing has never been the main focus which only shifted when 4th gen happens and the industry gave us more lackluster vocalists as a trade off
@@Teddymonstervocals101 lol, i've been a kpop fan for 10 yrs. lemme tell u that vocals has always been the first priority back then. that's why idols are criticize for their lives because groups back then even the subvocals aren't as attacked as current idols. right now, 4th gen idols are better trained in dancing that's why the level of current idols in dancing is much better. the decline on good vocals tho is a bit tragic
Putting Bora D5 in "bad belting" category is a little bit unfair, she was pretty decent plus from all those clips she's the only one who was dancing while singing...
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Shortcut to Eunji, Haeri Taeyeon etc slaying the climax after a heavy vocal performance… Bora’s D5 would be in the same condition wether she’s dancing or not, and it is bad belting in ours standards. I’ve seen yours are a bit different😅
@@frooogust Right, what's more ludicrous is calling Bora the best vocalist in GP999 when she's like at best, top 5,and the girlies beneath Chaehyun are mostly w to a girlied
I love Bora with all my heart but I have to admit that she struggles a lot with consistency and for a main vocalist her technique is very underdeveloped. I’d say in Cherry Bullet Haeyoon is arguably the better vocalist technique wise since Bora tends to strain a lot, but this is just my opinion
@@user-tw1zv8ki9q The OP above wasn't saying that she was off tune or pitchy. What they meant was that for someone on Rora's level , they can't really handle C5s that well to pass the "good" belting. And in fact that C5 was poorly belted , it sounds very pushed and yelled.
@@YEOUN_channel oh that makes sense. Looking back the beginning part doesn’t seem that good. Hoping YG continues to train them vocally because Rora in particular has potential
@@RezaRizal-tb9yi Haewon has supported Eb5s and plenty of D5s. Move Your Body is an example, but she had supported in the Eb5s from Let It Go, Eb5s in Home too.
ua-cam.com/video/y5ScC63yMkM/v-deo.html Thoughts of her belt? Sorry it's not Kpop, she's Salma Salsabil, the recent winner of Indonesian Idol. Timestamp: Bb4 0:03, C5 0:22
Nice video! These type of videos always make me want to get into DAVICHI. These girls can sing. A little suggestion that you obviously can take or leave it, it's your channel, but it would perhaps be interesting to have some of the "bad belting" singers be showcased for "good belting" (whenever that is possible of course - as that's not possible for all of them) in the lower ranges. For example, Yuri strained that E5, yes, but I'm sure she has some decent belting examples that could also be featured for the G4 - A4 examples (maybe Bb4, but I'm not sure as that's right at the limit of her supported range, so I'm very doubtful). That's one example, but there are probably a few others W-A and A vocalists for which that is possible to do, I reckon. That way we can get a grasp of how a singer sound when they do sing well and how they don't when they strain, etc. Also out of curiosity, and because singers often regress or get better with time, it would also be educative to have the date (at least the year) showcased for each clip in future videos if that's something that sounds plausible to you?
She wasn't included because she is not that much of a good belter (≠ bad vocalist or that Wendy is not as good as we know her, her feats are because of other areas she does well)
the only girlies who can ace F5/F#5 range are the usual queens like haeri, sonnet and sohyang loll and it’s probably just gonna be an overused clips anyway
@@bigmamafan1773i actually had thoughts on sneaking LYH into my statement, and since Big Mama’s are rarely used as an example, it be fun to hear them/LYH vs strainfest girlies up there lol.
She's not even mid or high weak. Weak vocalists in general can support very limitedly but not only they are super shallow but they also don't have the consistency. So Jennie can very well support G4s and G#4s but it doesn't mean she will be able to do so every single time
Oh.. thanks.. Because I read the article where it says that C is the highest note, so I concluded that if singers can reach C it means their vocal tone is the best
The highest note is a whistle note. If u want to listen to the highest whistle note try search Dimash Kudaibergen highest whistle note u will be amaze. Although whistle note isn't everything in singing.
Wendy isn't really a belter , even if she's included her belting isn't really considered as "good" by the standard. Notice how she was drowned by literally all of these belters even at A4 in the link; ua-cam.com/video/p0jK-h8ci7U/v-deo.htmlsi=qEsQo9qFjoJM4wpn
@@YEOUN_channel Isn't really a belter? She destroys anybody featured in this video. I find the fact that you *don't* feature her anywhere in this video despite the fact that she is generally considered the best female vocalist out of the entire 3rd and 4th gen of Kpop highly suspect.
@@riffgroove Yes isn't really a belter...We all know she's your fav but let's put all the biasing away okay. You gonna tell me that this Wendy's whiny and tight B4 ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkx7UqlnKp_AdcUR0ZDKQYB9MVzFknzAbsv?si=939PK2IykE8qFjOG ate that Micless resonant B4 by Ailee in 2:41 ?
@@YEOUN_channeldon't bother, I've seen this person discrediting jyp vocalists even ones that are good enough especially Jihyo and also goes around acting like Wendy is the next Sohyang (Wendy is very good but come on lol) when this person knows nothing about Wendy's technique, the fact that they went here acting like Wendy is a superb belter lol
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Hyelin's B4 doesn't sound too bad to me.
Eunji's E5 will always be one of my favorites though, it's just perfect.
2:31
Sejeong ATE that A4! Truly one of the best
The level got serious at the end when Solji was used as a example of bad belting lmao
savage level MAX😂
Damn Lily's a rookie but can support up to E5 that's really amazing
Eunji just hitting those note while smiling.she doesn't fully open her mouth yet can produce resonance. Queen👑
Yuju's high notes were always so perfect and so pleasant to listen to. ❤ She is an underrated queen in k-pop
Seeing Yechan as an og pink fantasy stan makes me so sad. She deserved so much more attention 😢
Babe wake up, Sootzubae uploaded a video
I loved the concept. It's nice to see that an actual criteria is used when selecting the examples rather than just a bunch of biased nonsense haha
2:39 Queen Ailee ate 🔥
0:55 nice one Sejeong!
been missing this videos for a while 😂 let me pretend its the old 'strain vs support' video
those videos are truly old but gold 🥲 also the ‘support vs resonance’ thang🤣
fans hated those kind of videos especially when their faves are suddenly exposed in a bad light. can't help it when they're overrating mediocre skills 🤷
wow eunji C#5 sounds so beautiful
And that not her fully going out lol
@@BAZVOCALS Isn't the C note the highest? ?
@@nyinyinyi07 There is no absolute limit. The highest C on the piano, written 3 octaves above the staff, is perfectly legitimate. However, practically speaking, notes that far from the staff will almost always be written in a musical phrase containing other nearby notes, so the 8Va notation is used.
@@nyinyinyi07 There's no singular "C note" and C indicates that the note is the LOWEST on each octave.
3:08 okay, I loved it, good one, Swan
That shook my core
That note was insane
Nice video! 10/10 intro song choice 😏 I love that you used different clips for some of them instead of the ones what we’ve already seen.
A friendly reminder than sounding decent does not equal having a supported voice!
Having support is a technique and important to preserve vocals. Support has a richer tone while none sounds strained/constrained.
Doesn't matter for normal people like me ....and some time supported one sound basic and boring...so it's good add your own style
@@garimasuhani7227You can be supported AND have stylistic choices 🤷🏻♂️ it doesn't hurt to sing healthier. Besides, don't you think it's fruitless if your faves train for years only to end up in around W-A? Cause the point of vocal training is to have technical skills. Might as well just train for a bit then debut unless you're training for other stuff lol
@@garimasuhani7227idk about you but i'm also normal ppl and i'll still choose the one with good technique because it's always sounds pleasant while the one without good technique mostly sounds strained even my untrained ears can hear that
@@garimasuhani7227 Supported is the basic of singing so singing without Support might destroy the singer voice and let them loose their voice for the Long run
Who needs support when most of the groups is using Auto Tunes & loud backtrack.
With this crap standard even OT5 TVXQ got called for unsupported vocals, but can sing live for 2 hours concert.
My ph speaker can't handle Ailee's B4😢😢❤
Mine too😮😮
this video is extremely interesting !
not so much because of the clips _(sorry, dear uploader, i don't mean that in a negative way)_ but because of the comments. this video does not contain any controversial topics, but only shows high notes sung by female idols...and yet some users here behave beyond opinionated, disrespectful and disgusting.
the comment section under this video would be a feast for any psychologists and psychotherapists 😁
🤣🤣🤣
I agree. Dig deep enough and you'd see someone get upsety spaghetti they think such videos should revolve around their faves otherwise it's "invalid"
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@@n1ghtflight i'm late. seul-gi bear 's cool too 🤟
Wtf that final E5 produced tears in my eyes damn
E5s are Haeri’s money note imo. That’s honestly one of her less clean ones (still good ofc, but a lil tired).
This is such an awesome video! I feel like I can learn so much to be able to understand singing and sing better myself by consuming this kind of content ❤
Lily slayyyyy
WOW what a fun video this has been. I really did enjoy it a lot. I watch a lot of reaction videos and many are done by professional singers and vocal coaches. Me i just know what i like and who. This has been one very lively thread and a lot of fun to follow. So many diverse opinions and some people actually get upset. Oh my. I would love to know where you got that clip of Haerin of Divichy. That was cool. I like that pair anyway. And i agree that SoHyang is not KPOP but you would have been negligent to leave her out since she is such a notable singer in Korea in general. Not to mention that on her series she has sung with a lot of KPOP idols in a duet and shown her love for that genre as well. Anyway, again thank you for this great video and entertaining comment section.
Nice video
2:40 damn poor Hyelin lmao
Oh good video ! HUGE skills differences between some of them but I get what you are trying to do.
(small nitpick is some clips I feel like are not the best of some of them)
The vowels used usually in "bad" belting is in "e/ æ" while in good is in "a". I wonder how stylistic vowel pronounciation plays a role in this basis.
vowels actually hinder openness but it's not like those people modify their vowels to produce an open sound. besides that, it's not like they are even capable of doing a good belting 😅
Jung Eunji is the queen of it ❤
The main guy uploaded, we cheered 🎉
Mother Sohyang ❤
Exactly
The legend has returned!
Son Seungyeon is so underrated.
Hi just watched your community post that put vocalist in categories. I saw Rami and Rora but I didn’t see Chiquita and Pharita. I heard Chiquita is a very good vocalist but just doesn’t have a high range. I would love to see your assessment. Also I would love to know the assessment of the rest of kiss of life and NewJeans
It’s a shame you didn’t include Haewons C5 on her day6 cover right through me it’s PERFECT(I mean it’s perfect because it’s resonance)
That C5 was not resonant😂
@💀
I don't want to be shady, but that G#4 from Park Bom though 💀 I don't think i've ever seen someone straining that bad in such a low note, not even baritones
sad that yg basically just focuses on their vocalists having “unique voices” (aka singing in cursive) and doesn’t actually care about their technique or vocal health
Taeyeon and Sejeong ❤
yall know how much it hurts to see my fav vocalists be bad belters 😿😿
2:40 a ressonância é tão boa que até irritou meus ouvidosKKKK😭🆘
2:41 ended so bad
Because she was still going
E5 is crazy siyeon got potential to hit it flawlessly with more practice
Here before the non vocal normies gets mad 🤭
Also, I always thought Lia's note in Loco was a C5 instead of Bb4, then again, she struggles in her mix, she would've ended up screaming notes beyond A4 unless they're falsetto, someone get this girl a good vocal coach pls, I don't want her to damage her voice
It goes up to C5 in “down” lol, the sustained bit is Bb4
Itzy songs mostly don't fit her range 😢
@@elfy2006 it's more like her mix needs more training, she shouts any notes beyond A4, however that's on JYPE for the most part, Itzy needs outside vocal training
okay you ate !!! love the concept
can someone link me to the solji's performance please? thank you, also loved the video❤
First it’s her KOMS’ solo, the E5 is from here:
ua-cam.com/video/DlOlj2OSl6o/v-deo.htmlsi=VG0nV_faka3lDhyl
2:50 why not supported??
Bora the gaslighter of gp999 and queendom puzzle
hello first!
I love STAYC’s vocalist so much
Can u link me the last davichi performance?
Ailee
Can someone pls tell me where the swan clips are from,ive been trying to find them but i cant
ailee
3:27 never undestood why this is so bad, she isn't straining that much i guess, and the sound isn't closed 🗣️🗣️
It indeed wasn't "so" bad ,but it was not good/decent either. It was pushed and yelled straight from her throat, as a result you can hear it sounds quite throaty.
and she has some good C#5s from that era, I never can understand why she's so hit or miss.
Maybe I'm just ungifted and talentless but I genuely can't distinguis from good and bad belting here (excepte first with Jennie Ig). What to look for in belting to determing if it's bad or not?(
You wouldn't really be able to identify the difference clearly without knowing what each aspect should sound like.
First and foremost, there is support. The easiest way to identify it is by hearing how hollow or full their sound is. More advanced ways that should be taken into consideration, like how developed their muscles are. All kinds of muscles apply all the way down to the pelvic muscles, as some would say; it is all a matter of ear training.
Second is placement, to where the voice is being directed.
Third is the flaw; there is a variety that could be as simple as being stuck in the nose to not being able to sing properly (messiness, unawareness). Other common examples people usually give out are throat tension, tongue tension, glottal tension, nasality, breathing issues, undeveloped core muscles, etc.
When you do state something, no need to state everything (nobody does that here). It doesn't go like "Ailee's A5 is very strong in support. It's chest belted with strong chest coordination. It is nasality free and is placed directly forward, but has a bit of throat tension going on."
What happened to Wendy?
I did enjoy this video. Thanks
Wendy is not much of a belter
Well ok, opinions vary and we are all allowed to have our own. Thanks for your input@
@@owl9704a Yes, no problem. :)
Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am used to people being just the opposite. Again thank you@
@Lol... "Not much of a belter."
Wendy destroys everyone on this list.
5:04 is hayoung's Bb4 supported?
Solar❤
Taeyeon❤👑
not related to the video but who do you think was the top 5 vocalists in Sixteen (Twice) based on the reality material?
It was Jihyo/Minyoung > 2yeon and another girl that I don't remember now lol
@@Oliver-uz1fsJiwon with Minyoung and Jihyo lol
@ so jiwon/minyoung/jihyo > 2yeon?
@@pretorosaduasvezes8739 Sim
@ sempre esqueço que você é br
Tolong jawab..bukankah nada C adalah yang tertinggi dalam vocal????
Bukan C
tapi G
Tergantung nada octave pria /wanita karena C4 diwanit itu udah low note Kalau di pria C4 itu uda mix
Contoh C#6 >>>> G#5
G#6 >>>>c#6
They all still sound good it’s just the technical side of things that would make them better mainly yoon I love her belting it’s similar to Jennie
Wendy RV?
Video is really explanatory and great.
I hope you will reply, i am waiting for the answer.
Can u pls tell me the vocal support range and vocal tier of Rosé from Blackpink
And Is Jennie from Blackpink And Is Jennie from Blackpink is better than Jin from BTS Objectively in Vocals?? And One more thing Can u rank Chaeyoung, Jennie, Mina in vocals?? Just take it as a request from your fan
Rose is W-A, has about A3/Bb3-A4/Bb4 iirc. Jennie is low W at best, not familiar with Jin but I feel it's a pointless comparison since none of them have any significant advantage over the other. It's also pretty pointless to rank MiChaeng and Jennie. They're all low weak at best.
@cyj7n
Thanks
Is Rosé supporting Bb4 consistently ?? Or is it shallow??
And Like Many youtubers are ranking Jennie over Jin has she has improved her shallowness more than Jin and I guess Jin can't even support and Jennie supprts. So she has a plus point
And in Michang and jennie ranking toutubers are ranking
Chaeyoung>Jennie>Mina
Or
Jennie>Chaeyoung>Mina
Still not confirmed about this
@@adiuraj2296 as sootzubae said Jin support shallowly and Better than the lowest W Jay park so Jin is W with like Eb3/E3~D4/Eb4
While jennie at her best will be Low W but she is not consistent enought to become solid W so she still underdeveloped
@@adiuraj2296 Rosé whole supported range is shallow
@@adiuraj2296i don't really care about low tiers so idk who is better between Mina Chae and Jennie
thought you'd add Ahyeon for the good belted A4 part Lmaoo
btw is there anyone in kpop who can support a belted G5 ???
Sohyang, bigmama's Lee younghyun
Sohyang is roughly a Gospel singer, not kpop though, and Ailee has supported G5 before
@@proudlymoa sohyang has recently released pop songs which technically categorize as Kpop in my opinion 🤷🏻♀️
Ahyeon is not a good belter
@@culturedswine4003 her belted A4 in her dangerously cover was supported
존문가 납셨네
Oh Jennie got exposed 😂
She sounds good to me hater
@@garimasuhani7227 yeah good straining queen
Jennie’s vocal technique is absurdly bad, she has so much potential but only knows to sing stylistically.
Well that's her style
@@garimasuhani7227her style is.. bad technique?? idk what ur saying
Weeekly is really underrated 🫠
How Monday is not included here 🥲
4:35 sounds good
surprisingly eunha A4 doesnt sound that bad ?? sure it sounds nasally and it lacks openess but idk
Sounds pretty bad to me, but bad belting is a loose term i used purposefully. Not everything in red is straightaway strained.
eunha relies on her throat and nose like 99% of the time so like having an “actual” decent sound of her are just super rare lol
@ when i said that i was mostly talking for a person of her level haha obviously from a general pov it's not that good at all.
It sounds horrific, esp for a note so easy
While many of these singers are pretty good, none, I repeat, none of them comes close to the Queen of Korean belters, the incredible Kim So-hyang.
Whats rora tier?
Something like high wa or low average
Lower weak to a…
@ bruh no
@@elfy2006 overrated vocalist :)
@@ratuneta people who overrate her say that she is like on ningning level 🤡
Honestly kpop never focused on vocals.. it was always visuals and decent dancing.. kpop idols who are also good singers are rare to find. I only listen to yuju in kpop because i cant stan untalented people being hyped so much while real talent gets ignored. Grave injustice in this world
Yeah but dancing and visuals are what make K-pop so good
vocals are almost literally 100% of their music with a few raps 😅 dancing has never been the main focus which only shifted when 4th gen happens and the industry gave us more lackluster vocalists as a trade off
@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 it’s dancing…. Vocals come second
@@Teddymonstervocals101 lol, i've been a kpop fan for 10 yrs. lemme tell u that vocals has always been the first priority back then. that's why idols are criticize for their lives because groups back then even the subvocals aren't as attacked as current idols. right now, 4th gen idols are better trained in dancing that's why the level of current idols in dancing is much better. the decline on good vocals tho is a bit tragic
@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 yeah it’s tragic I guess but it’s not like any of them were the best Mariah Carey K-pop still is pretty decent
Putting Bora D5 in "bad belting" category is a little bit unfair, she was pretty decent plus from all those clips she's the only one who was dancing while singing...
Shortcut to Eunji, Haeri Taeyeon etc slaying the climax after a heavy vocal performance… Bora’s D5 would be in the same condition wether she’s dancing or not, and it is bad belting in ours standards. I’ve seen yours are a bit different😅
Bora is ridiculously overrated in the vocal category. Putting her above Chaehyun was ludicrous!
@@frooogust Right, what's more ludicrous is calling Bora the best vocalist in GP999 when she's like at best, top 5,and the girlies beneath Chaehyun are mostly w to a girlied
I love Bora with all my heart but I have to admit that she struggles a lot with consistency and for a main vocalist her technique is very underdeveloped. I’d say in Cherry Bullet Haeyoon is arguably the better vocalist technique wise since Bora tends to strain a lot, but this is just my opinion
Rora is a vocalist who cannot be underestimated. with a very young age
She have potential but she need to hire a coach outside of yge like minzy did and she will improve
there are plenty of vocalists who debuted at very young ages and were still well developed technically (ex. the 15& girls, taeyeon, luna, ningning)
He just needs to practice harder. I'm sure her vocals will be good when she grows up
yes.. I hope Rora will shine as her name suggests. Because in Baemon only his vocals are what attracted me. Her deep voice makes me sink as she sings
@@n1ghtflight Lily and Haewon too
Is it me or did Rora’s C5 not sound too bad?
Her level and C5s are very far off 🌚
@@xxxAeRosexxx what do you mean by that? She is in tune from what I can hear
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The OP above wasn't saying that she was off tune or pitchy.
What they meant was that for someone on Rora's level , they can't really handle C5s that well to pass the "good" belting. And in fact that C5 was poorly belted , it sounds very pushed and yelled.
@@YEOUN_channel oh that makes sense. Looking back the beginning part doesn’t seem that good. Hoping YG continues to train them vocally because Rora in particular has potential
@@user-tw1zv8ki9q Rora and Haram have potential tbh, I wish they're trained more
4:35 this was mile more open the next clip you compared it to 🥲
I know some stans will be triggered for the early examples of bad belting lol
Weeekly is really underrated 🫠
How Monday is not included here 🥲
sejeong's A4 😮
There's KPOP and then there's Sohyang.
nice vid!
nitpick : i just hoped you’d pick a more crispier belting for yuju, yerin and nayul lol.😭😂
Thanks!!
Could’ve gotten better clips for most of the high skilled gang but i didn’t want to bring only the goods overused clips tbh😂
nmixx is crazy, Lily can support up to E5 and Haewon uo to Eb5.
Not lol haewon support C#5 and her tier B-
@@RezaRizal-tb9yi Haewon has supported Eb5s and plenty of D5s.
Move Your Body is an example, but she had supported in the Eb5s from Let It Go, Eb5s in Home too.
@@edu.8552 lol how haewon can be better than solar i think Lily better but not for haewon she is ABOVE AVERAGE Low/Mid and solar is ABOVE AVERAGE HIGh
Eunji ❤ My Vocal Queen
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Thoughts of her belt? Sorry it's not Kpop, she's Salma Salsabil, the recent winner of Indonesian Idol. Timestamp: Bb4 0:03, C5 0:22
Sonnet is literally the best low/mid belter in Korea and i see little appreciation always bout her, thank you for including her!
in low belts she’s got stiff competition with ailee but after C5/C#5 i have to agree
Where is the video of Swan from? I wanna see that full cover video
Same
thank you for including jane🧡🧡
Taeyeon Ate That C#5
Yuju❤️
Nice video! These type of videos always make me want to get into DAVICHI. These girls can sing.
A little suggestion that you obviously can take or leave it, it's your channel, but it would perhaps be interesting to have some of the "bad belting" singers be showcased for "good belting" (whenever that is possible of course - as that's not possible for all of them) in the lower ranges. For example, Yuri strained that E5, yes, but I'm sure she has some decent belting examples that could also be featured for the G4 - A4 examples (maybe Bb4, but I'm not sure as that's right at the limit of her supported range, so I'm very doubtful). That's one example, but there are probably a few others W-A and A vocalists for which that is possible to do, I reckon. That way we can get a grasp of how a singer sound when they do sing well and how they don't when they strain, etc.
Also out of curiosity, and because singers often regress or get better with time, it would also be educative to have the date (at least the year) showcased for each clip in future videos if that's something that sounds plausible to you?
2:11 I’m forever in love with Yerin’s chandelier cover
In jennie’s example, is it pushed or throaty or something else?
Also in haewon’s example, what is she doing to make it sound like the result?
There’s more than one issue with the way Jennie sings, it’s just bad belting in general. Haewon opened up a bit more there but it’s not resonant.
@I dream of the day Haewon suddenly clicks
@it’s supported tho
@@petucals its Not supported tho
@@MoustafaSElHassan21 the phrasing may be unsupported but the sustained note is
third
3:26 is well placed at least? i know she's very pushy above C5,, (honestly above B4)
It was very throaty tbh
Was one of the best sounding red notes in this video but still throaty. Good projection though.
@@brendan6555 yeah, that's what i thought
Great comparison, a little disappointed Red Velvets Wendy was there singing, I just love to hear our pint sized vocal behemoth 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
👸👸👸👸👸 ❤💛💙💚💜
She wasn't included because she is not that much of a good belter (≠ bad vocalist or that Wendy is not as good as we know her, her feats are because of other areas she does well)
A lot of these are not kpop.
Bffr 🌚 like who ?
Thats all you’ve got to say about the video?😅 for a matter of fact most if not all of them had released pop songs.
I think i needd to learn moree cuz i thought some of the badd is isn't thatt bad bad in my earss 😔
Why not F5/F#5?
It’s a mix of me being lazy and the lack of actual skilled vocalists that can handle F5 and above lol
the only girlies who can ace F5/F#5 range are the usual queens like haeri, sonnet and sohyang loll and it’s probably just gonna be an overused clips anyway
@@DouchiferThat is it lol
@@Douchifer Younghyun has plenty of less used clips 😉 lol
@@bigmamafan1773i actually had thoughts on sneaking LYH into my statement, and since Big Mama’s are rarely used as an example, it be fun to hear them/LYH vs strainfest girlies up there lol.
So, the Jennie G4 one was unsupported? I think if someone would do Jennie Vocal Showcase with this cover, they'll consider the G4 is supported
It's tense and shallow, jennie's sense of support is not even established and she's not even weak so idk abt 'support' ?
She's not even mid or high weak. Weak vocalists in general can support very limitedly but not only they are super shallow but they also don't have the consistency. So Jennie can very well support G4s and G#4s but it doesn't mean she will be able to do so every single time
Hope you widen your knowledge because it seems sooo narrow down
Sure… all the best. 😉
You really saying that to sootzubae 💀💀💀
Please answer.. isn't the C note the highest in vocals????
That’s not really how it works
There is no highest note in theory since there are frequencies that the human ear cannot comprehend.
Oh.. thanks.. Because I read the article where it says that C is the highest note, so I concluded that if singers can reach C it means their vocal tone is the best
The highest note is a whistle note. If u want to listen to the highest whistle note try search Dimash Kudaibergen highest whistle note u will be amaze. Although whistle note isn't everything in singing.
What about Jung Wheein? Just asking please do not be upset!@@CreganStark123
No Wendy?
Come on now.
Wendy isn't really a belter , even if she's included her belting isn't really considered as "good" by the standard.
Notice how she was drowned by literally all of these belters even at A4 in the link;
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@@YEOUN_channel Isn't really a belter? She destroys anybody featured in this video.
I find the fact that you *don't* feature her anywhere in this video despite the fact that she is generally considered the best female vocalist out of the entire 3rd and 4th gen of Kpop highly suspect.
@@riffgroove
Yes isn't really a belter...We all know she's your fav but let's put all the biasing away okay. You gonna tell me that this Wendy's whiny and tight B4 ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkx7UqlnKp_AdcUR0ZDKQYB9MVzFknzAbsv?si=939PK2IykE8qFjOG ate that Micless resonant B4 by Ailee in 2:41 ?
@@riffgroove Lets be real, though she is by no means a really weak belter. She ain't beating the likes of Haeri, Son Seungyeon, Eunji, etc 💀
@@YEOUN_channeldon't bother, I've seen this person discrediting jyp vocalists even ones that are good enough especially Jihyo and also goes around acting like Wendy is the next Sohyang (Wendy is very good but come on lol) when this person knows nothing about Wendy's technique, the fact that they went here acting like Wendy is a superb belter lol