Thanks for the shout out to my book. I appreciate that you tell Ceely's story without exaggeration or sensationalizing it. Many thanks, and kudos to you.
I loved reading your book about this case! Absolutely fascinating and sadly, also very tragic. Thanks for all of your hard work and extensive research 🖤
@@sommersanchez Thanks for appreciating it. It's a calling to excavate old stories like this. If you need another one, check out my new book: "The Witch of Mansfield: The Tetched Life of Phebe Wise." I'm collecting more stories as we speak, and hope to have a whole series.
I feel so bad for the murdered members of the Rose family, what are horrible way to die! I feel especially bad for the mother, she had recovered from the initial poisoning, only to be poisoned again! The mother's love was so strong for Ceely because , even though she knew her daughter killed her whole family, she still left her half of the money to Ceely. RIP Rose family...
As someone who has followed a lot of true crime people on youtube, I find myself binging your videos. I think it's because you're serious but don't depress me but also don't like mess around to where the real murder doesn't feel important. You've really struck the balance of want to listen, but this world is worth sticking around in. I know that sound bad but it really is the best compliment I could give
So happy to see this talked about. I live close to Malabar farm and go constantly. When I was about 11-12 I was on a tour of the upstairs of the ceely rose house with my mom. I thought she was behind me when I was leaving a room and I felt a hard tug on my pony tail. I turned around to tell her to stop and I saw I was alone. I immediately screamed for my mom and told her I felt something and we left the tour early. It really effected me at the time, I haven’t been upstairs since. I think you might not be allowed up there anymore. Thanks for talking about this story! I learned a lot of details I haven’t seen at the park.
@@jonistasiak7037 They also filmed the opening scene from Shawshank Redemption at Malabar farm (the scene were Andy sits outside the cabin in his car, loading his gun).
What a disturbing story. My own family member is a special needs adult, with a similar intellect of about a first grader. She had a "boyfriend " and they were to be married in twenty years (ofc that didn't happen). He was also special needs, though. She can't be left unsupervised, and she doesn’t form friendships but is close to family members. She is very sweet tempered, but can get very stubborn and secretive. I could really understand a lot of the behaviors described in this story.
Me too! I work with special needs children, and this community let this baby girl down and IMO reaped what they sewed. IDK I felt a little frustrated hearing about this. I do believe justice was served, but my goodness she had more people around her treating her awful than people that really cared about her. She was learning hate not love. 🤦🏼♀️
But look at the times. They didn’t understand mental illness and special needs. They were around then but not as understood and not treated any differently than normal children@@piper_lori-williams-tudhope
@piper_lori-williams-tudhope I worked with one particular person who's brother would hit her. I found out when she couldn't pick out a cookie because her glasses were broken. At 15, this made livid and I went to the owner of the day facility and she told me nothing could be done. I wanted to take justice into my own hands with a light threat but that wouldn't have done any good and back then I didn't have other options. Anyway the woman was always kind and cheerful even with this caretaker brother. I'm not excusing her family because I am a " normie" lost my temper, but she did not. Even though she saw through experience that violence gets results she did not result to such measures
Yessss 100k subscribers. You deserve it. I love your format, the Heinous History, the compassion, no sensationalizing, you got the whole package. Cheers to a great future!
I don't mind at all, tuning in for the first time. I won't watch women who use the subject matter as a gimmicky murder & makeup tutorial. I think it's in the poorest of taste. What's the point?
I wonder if the author Shirley Jackson knew about the case of Ceeley Rose because her book We Have Always Lived In the Castle is about a young seemingly childlike girl who poisoned her family. The book is haunting in the way that the murders at Malabar Farm is haunting.
Louis Bromfield wrote about this in his book "Pleasant Valley" in 1939. He bought that farm after returning to the area after fleeing France before Nazi invasion. The house is part of Malabar Farm State Park. Lots of scenes from The Shawshank Redemption were filmed there or nearby. Beautiful area. Humphrey Bogart married Lauren Bacall in The Big House. Great place to visit. Ohio Amish country (Holmes County) nearby.
@@laurelcaccivio6651 It is lovely. The prison where Shawshank Redemption was filmed is about 30 minutes away. They filmed the cabin scene at the park and the tree scene at the end was filmed there. Unfortunately, tree was hit by lightning and is no longer standing. All the best!
i think you forget...the past was the worst. no one would have thought twice about a 16yr old girl and a 23yr old man. as young as 13 was appropriate in some areas...
It was common of the older siblings to raise their younger siblings if the parents died, or got sick. I grew up with my elder nephews. I was a aunt/big sister.
Well heck. I’ve been to Malabar Farm a few times. They always talk about Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall spent their honeymoon in the big house, but I’ve never heard this story. It really is a beautiful place and they do several festivals throughout the year.
What a heartbreaking story. I can't imagine how much grief Rebecca must have felt when she realized that her own daughter was the one trying to murder her.
I stumbled upon your channel and am blown away by your storytelling talents. I was mesmerized by the story - your inflection and pacing were spot-on. I look forward to many more of your stories. Thanks so much!
Honestly, I do think it likely that Ceely with her genetic issues was the biological child of David and Rebecca. With the decline of genetic material both from the age of her mother and health problems of her father, it makes sense. I know several women who were born with genetic abnormalities after their father was exposed to chemical warfare during the Gulf War. They had older and younger siblings who were all healthy though.
Could be or could be through interbreeding. I don’t find the age gap unusual though as my grandmother had two babies after a big gap. She was so sexually uneducated that she thought you couldn’t get pregnant after 40. This was in the 1950s.
Most women do not hit menopause until their mid 50's. But I do know of a young lady who went though the "change" in her early 30's. My mom had me at 45, my brothers were teenagers.
@@jturtle5318 I don't believe so, but in the video it was mentioned that the father had health problems after the war. The conditions that most of the soldiers were in was less than ideal. Besides the stress of war and battles, most of them barely had enough to eat, what they did eat was not nutritious and they nearly all struggled with malaria, dysentery, or other illnesses. Plus they were exposed to the elements all year. If he experienced 4 yrs of that, it would definitely take a toll on his body!
I could believe that Ceely had Borderline Personality Disorder, I have it, and I live in a small town, I'm liked but some people are afraid of me and I've given them a reason to be, I can be real loving, caring, kind and helpful, loved st my church, but my old run down house that looks abandoned has become a place where teens dare eachother to walk by, if they see me glaring at them, they run, i could go on, I am not as disabled as Ceely,i ha e a college education but obviously there is s huge split in my personality, sweet kind person one minute, then cold cruel guy who wrote Charles Manson and got a letter back, and I see the solit in hers, this was a great story, i am fairly new to yiyr channel, i forgot your name and finally found your channel again, always a good story with you and you tell it well, it's also therapeutic for my mental problems
Of course it wasn't against the law to have sex with underage people. Not back then when many girls were often married by the age of 13 or 14. And back then, a 20 year old female unmarried was termed a spinster.
Congratulations on 1000.000!!! I can’t wait until you hit a million? You’re truly one of my favorite true crime along with Stephanie Harlow I wish you & your channel all the success!!! ❤
Joining u from Mansfield, Ohio. Was so weird hearing a case from here! I've been to and heard about Malabar Farm my entire life. Schools even do field trips there.
Sommer! You have quickly become my favorite UA-camr! I love that you do cases that not every other YTer covers. When I’m annoyed at having seen all of the cases that the other girls are posting, go to your page bc I know I’ll find one I’ve never heard of! (But I’m running out of them bc I always watch yours 😮💨😒) I love everything about your videos! Your voice is so calming but also catches your attention and keeps it, your story telling abilities, and it just makes me feel like we’re just friends talking about a crazy case you heard of recently and want to fill me in on. Absolutely love everything about this page and I’m so glad you finally made it to 100k! Can’t wait until you get to a million!
Love your videos. You do old cases and some I've never heard of. Love the length of the videos. As a stay at home mom, I can listen while cooking, cleaning, and hobbies. Keep 'em coming 😁👍
I want to thank YOU for the beautiful job you do. Your quality never waivers and though I don't talk all the time I am here. Proud to be one of your first subs. YOU DESERVE this! I wish you much success in the coming year.
I absolutely loved hearing about this case!! I've never heard of it before and I was glued to my phone the entire time listening to you tell about it! You definitely deserve those 100K views! 🎉 Congratulations!! Can't wait till the next video!
Very random how this popped up in my recommended..I live in Mansfield in Richland county where this took place and ive been to Malabar farms once but somehow never knew about this story. Very cool. Youre an awesome story teller and love the Coheed and Cambria shirt! Definitely subscribing
This is my hometown!! Grew up knowing this story and visited the fame many times. Been about 25 years but would love to revisit it now as an adult! Thanks for covering this!! Not very well known
What an interesting story. I’ve been to Malabar Farm many times as a young child but I don’t recall going into any homes aside from the main house and I had no strange experiences. I did the hay ride also. I recently asked my husband about making another visit, and now I want to go even more!
I believe that when something happens somewhere and emotions are running high, that energy is absorbed into the space where the event occured, and under the right circumstances, that stored energy can manifest itself in a way that is visible to human eyes. When I was six, my parents had bought this old Victorian house and evidently, a murder had taken place in the 50s in the alley between our house and the neighbors. One of my bedroom windows faced the alley. To my recollection, I did not hear about this story until I was much older and we had already moved out, but what I do remember was a recurring nightmare I had about looking out that window and seeing blonde girl in a green prom dress looking up at me from that alley. It was absolutely terrifying.
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I just found this channel and I’m so happy. You find so many stories I’ve never heard before and you break them down in the most easy to follow way. Thank you!
I went to Malabar farm on a field trip in grade school. It was the site and test farm for a visionary agricultural experimenter named Lewis Bromfield. He is credited with creating methods like plowing around a hill to prevent run off instead of up and down it like was customary, which basically covered the entire hill with a series of small ditches waiting to wash out. I haven't thought about that field trip and that farm for probably over 40 years, I'm astounded I recognized the name right off. BTW, they never mentioned anything about the murders when we were there.
Well, as usual you knocked this one out of the park. The reason that your subs are high is because of the research and your professionalism. You going to continue to grow your channel and you totally deserve it.
Your show has easily become one of my favourites. You have the voice, the dedication not only to your followers but your subject matter and families effected either this week or last century. This all combined with your astute intellect and your true heartfelt compassion your channel should easily hit the high marks and thank you for taking all of us along on your journey. I am absolutely privileged 🎃🌹.
As a parent to a mentally challenged and Autistic son, I can see how this would happen. She was teased and unloved by the community. This does not make what she did right, but she could only think of herself. What a sad thing to happen to the family.😢
@@CBrown86 I do not condone this. She committed a crime and a horrible one at that. I am sure she did know right from wrong, my son does as well, but sometimes the moral part of the brain is affected by the brain damage. In other words, she could plot, hide her discussing acts, but still not be able to stop herself at any point. This makes her very dangerous certainly not at all excused from her wrong doing.
@@CBrown86I think you missed the point of her comment, which wasn't to to condone or take away blame & guilt, but to say that she could see how her 🧠 might have been warped over time. Most ppl w\ issues like those aren't bad or Evil. But if sane, "normal" (not normal necessarily but society's view of what normal is.), & rational ppl who suffer from no mental issues can be twisted into something else capable of cruel behavior, then why would it be beyond the realm of possible that somebody struggling w\mental health issues wouldn't be? Again, she wasn't giving her an excuse or saying that it was okay, just that she could see how after 20+y of ill treatment, being ostracized by her community, & possibly suffering from rough anger temperaments in her home as well might turn down this path bc the way that she thinks & views those around her has been shaped by the way she's treated. Who really knows if it could've been different. Bc everyone is different. But maybe just maybe had she been better cared for & a part of the community, she might not have went down this dark path. Or perhaps either way you split it, she would've given the ultimate situation that led to this. Honestly, it makes me feel bad for Guy Berry who was only trying to be kind. I'm sure learning that she committed these AWFUL crimes just out of some misguided belief that they would be together, & also tried to murder his family in such a cruel way as well, would've been something that weighed heavily on his mind for the remainder of his life. & Likely in that community he had that stain follow him as well bc those same cruel ppl would like to taunt him again & again. Which could ultimately have made him desire to not be in that situation again & change him from being kind.
@@CBrown86 She was described as having the same intellectual development as a six-year-old. Any child that age knows that when you do something naughty, hiding the evidence might keep you from being found out. But very few of them would be capable of understanding what death really means. In most countries, anyone at that level of development can't even be charged for criminal acts.
@@Amber-yq9ee If the opinions her teachers had of her intellectual level were right, I don't think she would've been able to really understand that death is permanent.
Considering the fact that ceeley was developmentally challenged i believe there's a very good chance that her mom is her real mom because when womem get up in age they have a much greater chance of having a child with disabilities which is why older women are discouraged from having babies until this very day.
Would be interesting to see what the convection would be under contemporary legal parameters. She showed premeditation, was astute enough to conceal the arsenic, saw the results of her actions in real-time, and still attempted to murder again. She said the devil made her do it, which should be sufficient to acknowledge that she can differentiate between right and wrong. Would they would have accepted an insanity plea in today's courts?
If the assessment of her as having the intellectual development of a six-year-old is correct, she would know that doing certain things was considered "bad" & therefore should be concealed, but still wouldn't have a real understanding of the permanence of death. I know the US is obsessed with punishment, but most countries wouldn't even consider a six-year-old child, or an adult at that level, capable of criminality.
@@mariaaguadoball3407 We are, unfortunately. She clearly needed some supervision, but it wouldn't make sense to treat her as an adult or truly culpable for the reasons you mentioned.
I don't think she would have. She would have been convicted of murder. Times are just so different now, her learning disability & mental health would have been handled in a much better way. Enjoying watching her family die & poisoning her Mom the second time seems so sociopathic!!
@@crazydaisyog3984 Times are different now. So many people these days seem to have a real thirst for seeing others punished - preferably in the harshest way possible. Who was that who's "sociopathic" again?
If expert witnesses testified that her mental age was below the age of criminal liability she could potentially be found not guilty, but she would still be put into some kind of secured psychiatric facility because she's obviously dangerous. It might not be for the rest of her life though, if the doctors believed she was no longer a danger to others. Of course, this would vary by jurisdiction.
You have a very pleasant voice so it's easy to listen to you. You make it interesting with your wonderful story telling. Thank you for all these videos. I hope we all have a nice day.
Birth defects are a lot more common when the mother (and, they're finding lately, the father) are older, so her intellectual disability at least is consistent with Rebecca actually being her mother. A pregnancy where the mother is forty is still considered a high-risk pregnancy even today, with modern healthcare.
Sommer, I love your content! you should do a post about Hara Krishna.. I had a family member that got sucked into that. it'd be interesting to see what you're in-depth research could find on the subject.
Even though by today's standards a 16 year old is clearly just wrong on so many levels to be with someone in their 20's, back then older men got with younger woman all the time so I almost don't see what would have been too wrong with a slightly older woman to get with a younger man back then, especially if possibly she could have also found a man like her with some clear developmental delays. Maybe it was more frowned upon for the older one to be the woman. In today's society I would say she had some developmental delays that weren't properly attended to as a child so she never developed out of them and her delays continued into adulthood. She also may have socially and developmentally fallen somewhere on the autism spectrum. It makes me sad that, just as you said, it must have been very jarring and clearly disrupted her routine a great deal when at 20 she stopped going to school. I wish the teacher would have kept her on as some kind of assistant and maybe she could have been trained to help with the younger children. Imagine the positivity something like that would have brought to her life instead of now being so sheltered and just hanging around the house swooning over boys. Congratulations on reaching 100k subscribers! You deserve it! 🎉❤
Even though it was normal back then for a man to yet with a young girl it still isn't right and you shouldn't use that as a way to justify pedophilia wether ot be from a man or a woman either way it's disgusting.
That's like if Ceely was a 23 year old man and was attracted to a 16 year old girl it would STILL be disgusting and you wouldn't be trying to justify it.
I’ve been watching you for a few months now - your channel came up as a suggestion. Instants subscriber 😊 BUT I was shocked on this video title as I went to watch. Could it possibly the Malabar farms I grew up by? The same Malabar games my step daughter was at a wedding at as I watched the video?? Yes. It’s crazy how I can be 42 and been to a place too many times to count - I’m talking school field trips, weddings, to see the farm…. And never knew this story!! So, thank you for my coverage. I am also going to share this on my fb page. I have a feeling all my local friends will be interested and maybe they will share too! Helping my girl tryna blow up!
This makes me feel bad & wonder about Guy Berry's life after this. Obviously what happened was very awful & tragic! But having all this come out & be sensationalized meant that ppl all over knew the details. So, more than likely he did too. He knew she had committed these HEINOUS acts out of some misguided notion of being w\him. Not only that, but she also tried to murder his family in this SAME cruel & devastating way. There he was just trying to be kind to someone who had been treated badly & it blew up. Now, very clearly this was NOT HIS FAULT! But rather her's & the way she had been dealt w\her entire life, as well as how this particular situation was handled. But Im sure he carried this w\him for his life & was likely never allowed to forget it by those cruel ppl in their community. Hopefully, this didn't serve as a poison to his soul & turn him bitter or stomp out the kindness he'd had in him. Fascinating story though! I'd never heard of it!
Greetings, S🎃MMER! I'd like to wish you a *GIGANTIC* congratulations on reaching 100K!!! I feel lucky to have found you when you only had a few videos posted. Now, I wait with great antici...pation (like Rocky Horror 😉) for every new video. You've earned your reward, and I know more are to come!
Congrats on the 100k. Have been here since about video 4 or 5. So I am proud of you. Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of your growth seems to be bringing out some real creeps.
Congrats on 100K!!!🎉 It’s no surprise.. there are ALOT of true crime UA-camrs out there and you have very quickly become my favorite.. here’s to 100K more!! 🍾
That was a really interesting story. I do believe in spirits & haunted houses. I would love to visit there. I will definitely read the book. Great story Sommer!
Thank you Sommer. Pulled the short straw doing unpaid overtime on a Saturday, so needed something to take my mind off endless testing. This cast has been fascinating. No evil persons, just tragic characters. Again great narrative.
In times past, far away from large population centers, families had limited choices when dealing with the mentally handicapped or emotionally disturbed. My father grew up in an impoverished area. There was a family in the area who had a son who was mentally retarded. The family lived him and raised him well, as best they could. But, when he reached puberty, he started raping his sisters, cousins, neighbors... There eas no controlling him. After exhausting all other options, the family poisoned him. It was never spoken of by anyone in the community. I feel so deeply for all involved.
Congratulations on 100,000! I have really enjoyed listening to Your podcasts. They are so good. This was one crazy story. Was this in TX, You said?! I apologize I was so enthralled in the case that I forgot where Malabar Farm is. I am happy that She was finally found out. This is so crazy that with Her lack of intelligence that She managed to do this horrible crime. You did another Great Job and wonderful research that You did with this one. I look forward to seeing another one of Your videos. Thank You for sharing Your talents with Us again. 😊👍🏼👋🏼
I've been to Malabar farm my mom grew up by it many times that house always gave me the worst vibes my parents wouldn't tell me because i was so young but when I found out everything made sense.
These stories are always fascinating, especially when told as you tell it - without all the bells and whistles and extra fluff. I don't think most of us need the gore in our faces to realize what a tregedy is. Thank you!
I just listened to this Video...I like the way you presented the case and your Narration. I decided to Subscribe to Your Channel.... Job well done sweetie.
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Hello. I'm quite new to your channel and I really like it. This was a really good story. Love from Gunn in Norway
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THANK YOU for yet again covering a case that hasn't been done 1,000x 😘
As if the murders aren't horrific enough, now grifters have to capitalize on the "ghost" angle. Love your narration/story telling just the same.
Thanks for the shout out to my book. I appreciate that you tell Ceely's story without exaggeration or sensationalizing it. Many thanks, and kudos to you.
I loved reading your book about this case! Absolutely fascinating and sadly, also very tragic. Thanks for all of your hard work and extensive research 🖤
@@sommersanchez Thanks for appreciating it. It's a calling to excavate old stories like this. If you need another one, check out my new book: "The Witch of Mansfield: The Tetched Life of Phebe Wise." I'm collecting more stories as we speak, and hope to have a whole series.
Had to order your book.
I've never heard of this story. I just moved to WV. I would love to go on a tour one day
I feel so bad for the murdered members of the Rose family, what are horrible way to die! I feel especially bad for the mother, she had recovered from the initial poisoning, only to be poisoned again! The mother's love was so strong for Ceely because , even though she knew her daughter killed her whole family, she still left her half of the money to Ceely. RIP Rose family...
Poor chickens too. People forget that when they use poison it spreads. Thank God the other family was wise.
The mother... 😢
So wise to throw the pie into the backyard, do you hear yourself
All of my ancestors had children in their 40s in the 1800s. It was extremely common, there wasn't any real birth control.
A lot of my ancestors had kids in their middle to late 40s.
You are correct! It was common even into the early 20th century. I think the environment and the foods were healthier back then, too.
My grandmother was 20 years younger than her brother and sister. It's not that big a deal.
My great grandmother had my grandpa and his brother in her mid forties.
At first I felt bad for the girl, and by the end... Not so much.
It was over for me when she turned into a stalker and only downhill even more then
As someone who has followed a lot of true crime people on youtube, I find myself binging your videos. I think it's because you're serious but don't depress me but also don't like mess around to where the real murder doesn't feel important. You've really struck the balance of want to listen, but this world is worth sticking around in. I know that sound bad but it really is the best compliment I could give
So happy to see this talked about. I live close to Malabar farm and go constantly. When I was about 11-12 I was on a tour of the upstairs of the ceely rose house with my mom. I thought she was behind me when I was leaving a room and I felt a hard tug on my pony tail. I turned around to tell her to stop and I saw I was alone. I immediately screamed for my mom and told her I felt something and we left the tour early. It really effected me at the time, I haven’t been upstairs since. I think you might not be allowed up there anymore. Thanks for talking about this story! I learned a lot of details I haven’t seen at the park.
Isn't this the place that Bogie and Bacall got married?
yes
Wow, to both comments!!
@@jonistasiak7037 They also filmed the opening scene from Shawshank Redemption at Malabar farm (the scene were Andy sits outside the cabin in his car, loading his gun).
What a disturbing story. My own family member is a special needs adult, with a similar intellect of about a first grader. She had a "boyfriend " and they were to be married in twenty years (ofc that didn't happen). He was also special needs, though. She can't be left unsupervised, and she doesn’t form friendships but is close to family members. She is very sweet tempered, but can get very stubborn and secretive. I could really understand a lot of the behaviors described in this story.
Me too! I work with special needs children, and this community let this baby girl down and IMO reaped what they sewed. IDK I felt a little frustrated hearing about this. I do believe justice was served, but my goodness she had more people around her treating her awful than people that really cared about her. She was learning hate not love. 🤦🏼♀️
But look at the times. They didn’t understand mental illness and special needs. They were around then but not as understood and not treated any differently than normal children@@piper_lori-williams-tudhope
@piper_lori-williams-tudhope I worked with one particular person who's brother would hit her. I found out when she couldn't pick out a cookie because her glasses were broken. At 15, this made livid and I went to the owner of the day facility and she told me nothing could be done. I wanted to take justice into my own hands with a light threat but that wouldn't have done any good and back then I didn't have other options. Anyway the woman was always kind and cheerful even with this caretaker brother. I'm not excusing her family because I am a " normie" lost my temper, but she did not. Even though she saw through experience that violence gets results she did not result to such measures
Yessss 100k subscribers. You deserve it. I love your format, the Heinous History, the compassion, no sensationalizing, you got the whole package. Cheers to a great future!
Such an underrated and deserving story teller 🙂
Storytelling must be her calling. Each one is so detailed and her method has me hooked.
Not to mention her voice is so relaxing. Some true crime folks leave me rattled from the cases but Summer puts me at ease
I don't mind at all, tuning in for the first time. I won't watch women who use the subject matter as a gimmicky murder & makeup tutorial. I think it's in the poorest of taste. What's the point?
I wonder if the author Shirley Jackson knew about the case of Ceeley Rose because her book We Have Always Lived In the Castle is about a young seemingly childlike girl who poisoned her family. The book is haunting in the way that the murders at Malabar Farm is haunting.
I was thinking that too!!
Louis Bromfield wrote about this in his book "Pleasant Valley" in 1939. He bought that farm after returning to the area after fleeing France before Nazi invasion. The house is part of Malabar Farm State Park. Lots of scenes from The Shawshank Redemption were filmed there or nearby. Beautiful area. Humphrey Bogart married Lauren Bacall in The Big House. Great place to visit. Ohio Amish country (Holmes County) nearby.
I'm a Louis Bromfield fan and would be absolutely ecstatic to visit the park.
@@laurelcaccivio6651 It is lovely. The prison where Shawshank Redemption was filmed is about 30 minutes away. They filmed the cabin scene at the park and the tree scene at the end was filmed there. Unfortunately, tree was hit by lightning and is no longer standing. All the best!
i think you forget...the past was the worst. no one would have thought twice about a 16yr old girl and a 23yr old man. as young as 13 was appropriate in some areas...
Large age gaps were pretty common among siblings back in the 18th Century.
But those age gaps tended to be because there had been siblings in between that died.
It was common of the older siblings to raise their younger siblings if the parents died, or got sick. I grew up with my elder nephews. I was a aunt/big sister.
I'm pretty sure it was actually quite common in the 1800's for women to have babies in their early 40's.
Menopause babies were very common. And women have always known of birth control and abortion methods. Not good ones, granted.
It was common in the 20th century for women to have infants in their forties.
Well heck. I’ve been to Malabar Farm a few times. They always talk about Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall spent their honeymoon in the big house, but I’ve never heard this story.
It really is a beautiful place and they do several festivals throughout the year.
What a heartbreaking story. I can't imagine how much grief Rebecca must have felt when she realized that her own daughter was the one trying to murder her.
and had killed her son! 😢
I stumbled upon your channel and am blown away by your storytelling talents. I was mesmerized by the story - your inflection and pacing were spot-on. I look forward to many more of your stories. Thanks so much!
Honestly, I do think it likely that Ceely with her genetic issues was the biological child of David and Rebecca. With the decline of genetic material both from the age of her mother and health problems of her father, it makes sense. I know several women who were born with genetic abnormalities after their father was exposed to chemical warfare during the Gulf War. They had older and younger siblings who were all healthy though.
Could be or could be through interbreeding. I don’t find the age gap unusual though as my grandmother had two babies after a big gap. She was so sexually uneducated that she thought you couldn’t get pregnant after 40. This was in the 1950s.
Most women do not hit menopause until their mid 50's. But I do know of a young lady who went though the "change" in her early 30's. My mom had me at 45, my brothers were teenagers.
My father and mother both had nieces and nephews who were older than them.
This was a long time before Agent Orange. Were they using any chemical agents in the US Civil War?
@@jturtle5318 I don't believe so, but in the video it was mentioned that the father had health problems after the war. The conditions that most of the soldiers were in was less than ideal. Besides the stress of war and battles, most of them barely had enough to eat, what they did eat was not nutritious and they nearly all struggled with malaria, dysentery, or other illnesses. Plus they were exposed to the elements all year. If he experienced 4 yrs of that, it would definitely take a toll on his body!
Girl, you DESERVE 100k. You're so smart and such a wonderful, empathetic storyteller. Also, love the Coheed and Cambria hoodie ❤
She deserves more than that. She is so engaging
Coheed and Cambria hoodie love it❤
First thingi noticed was the hoodie too. Rockin it!
My hometown!!! Malabar Farm was pretty much in my backyard, just a couple miles through the woods. Absolutely beautiful area 💚 congrats on 100k!
This is my new , favorite crime podcast. I love the old crime stories. 👍❤
I could believe that Ceely had Borderline Personality Disorder, I have it, and I live in a small town, I'm liked but some people are afraid of me and I've given them a reason to be, I can be real loving, caring, kind and helpful, loved st my church, but my old run down house that looks abandoned has become a place where teens dare eachother to walk by, if they see me glaring at them, they run, i could go on, I am not as disabled as Ceely,i ha e a college education but obviously there is s huge split in my personality, sweet kind person one minute, then cold cruel guy who wrote Charles Manson and got a letter back, and I see the solit in hers, this was a great story, i am fairly new to yiyr channel, i forgot your name and finally found your channel again, always a good story with you and you tell it well, it's also therapeutic for my mental problems
Of course it wasn't against the law to have sex with underage people. Not back then when many girls were often married by the age of 13 or 14. And back then, a 20 year old female unmarried was termed a spinster.
So happy for you! You do such a wonderful job researching and presenting the stories.
Wow. What a crazy story. Thank you for telling this unbelievable historical tragedy
Congratulations on 1000.000!!! I can’t wait until you hit a million? You’re truly one of my favorite true crime along with Stephanie Harlow I wish you & your channel all the success!!! ❤
I've never heard of this story and I've lived near Malabar Farm for over 30 years.
Amazing how secrets are lost either on purpose or through time itself. Interred in finding out if you will look further?
Joining u from Mansfield, Ohio. Was so weird hearing a case from here! I've been to and heard about Malabar Farm my entire life. Schools even do field trips there.
I even know a family very well with the last name Rose that lives in the area...wonder if this is their family?
Sommer! You have quickly become my favorite UA-camr! I love that you do cases that not every other YTer covers. When I’m annoyed at having seen all of the cases that the other girls are posting, go to your page bc I know I’ll find one I’ve never heard of! (But I’m running out of them bc I always watch yours 😮💨😒) I love everything about your videos! Your voice is so calming but also catches your attention and keeps it, your story telling abilities, and it just makes me feel like we’re just friends talking about a crazy case you heard of recently and want to fill me in on. Absolutely love everything about this page and I’m so glad you finally made it to 100k! Can’t wait until you get to a million!
Love your videos. You do old cases and some I've never heard of. Love the length of the videos. As a stay at home mom, I can listen while cooking, cleaning, and hobbies. Keep 'em coming 😁👍
Dude!! Can't believe your going over this!!! I grow up around that area, grandma told me about this crime when I got a bit older.
I want to thank YOU for the beautiful job you do. Your quality never waivers and though I don't talk all the time I am here. Proud to be one of your first subs. YOU DESERVE this! I wish you much success in the coming year.
I absolutely loved hearing about this case!! I've never heard of it before and I was glued to my phone the entire time listening to you tell about it! You definitely deserve those 100K views! 🎉 Congratulations!! Can't wait till the next video!
Very random how this popped up in my recommended..I live in Mansfield in Richland county where this took place and ive been to Malabar farms once but somehow never knew about this story. Very cool. Youre an awesome story teller and love the Coheed and Cambria shirt! Definitely subscribing
This is my hometown!! Grew up knowing this story and visited the fame many times. Been about 25 years but would love to revisit it now as an adult! Thanks for covering this!! Not very well known
CONGRATS SOMMER 4 100K! It's about time homegirl 🥳🎂😎
You keep viewers engaged with stories not often heard on UA-cam.
I’m so stoked to see you get bigger and bigger, you deserve everything in the world!!
What an interesting story. I’ve been to Malabar Farm many times as a young child but I don’t recall going into any homes aside from the main house and I had no strange experiences. I did the hay ride also. I recently asked my husband about making another visit, and now I want to go even more!
I believe that when something happens somewhere and emotions are running high, that energy is absorbed into the space where the event occured, and under the right circumstances, that stored energy can manifest itself in a way that is visible to human eyes.
When I was six, my parents had bought this old Victorian house and evidently, a murder had taken place in the 50s in the alley between our house and the neighbors. One of my bedroom windows faced the alley. To my recollection, I did not hear about this story until I was much older and we had already moved out, but what I do remember was a recurring nightmare I had about looking out that window and seeing blonde girl in a green prom dress looking up at me from that alley. It was absolutely terrifying.
Did you find out who the victim was or anything about them?
Yasssss!! 100k!!! I fkn love that for you!!! 🎉❤🎉
When I first started watching you I just knew you were going to be super popular!! You got what it takes!
Another one of my favorite UA-camrs (Twisted Glam) just hit 10k and I’m sooo super excited to see you ladies crushing these goals!
Keep going babes! 1mil is just around the corner!! 🙌🏼💪💪
Thank you so much! I appreciate you taking a chance on small creators. It’s people like you who make all the difference! Much love! 🖤🖤🖤
OMGGGGG You have 100,000 subscribers, I only subscribed like a couple weeks ago but I've literally watched every single one of your videos. I love that more people are subscribing to you and seeing your amazing videos. Can't wait to see more!!!!! ❤
David Rose immediately think of Schitt's Creek!!!
Whoa such an interesting story. Really love the older cases! Thank you for sharing!
Wow really interesting case, ty girl. I wish you could post more often
I love listening to all the stories. Thank you for what you do. I appreciate you!
I just found this channel and I’m so happy. You find so many stories I’ve never heard before and you break them down in the most easy to follow way. Thank you!
I love these historical cases, thanks for doing these☺️
I went to Malabar farm on a field trip in grade school. It was the site and test farm for a visionary agricultural experimenter named Lewis Bromfield. He is credited with creating methods like plowing around a hill to prevent run off instead of up and down it like was customary, which basically covered the entire hill with a series of small ditches waiting to wash out. I haven't thought about that field trip and that farm for probably over 40 years, I'm astounded I recognized the name right off.
BTW, they never mentioned anything about the murders when we were there.
My girl loves Coheed ❤️ I knew you had good vibes from the moment I followed ages ago. Love ya girl!
I actually live one county over from Richland co, and I’ve never heard of this! Thanks🙂
Wow this is wild! I wish they'd make a movie about this.
❤❤❤❤ you deserve way more and everything that's coming for you!! Love the way you do research and story tell! Happy I met you!!
Well, as usual you knocked this one out of the park. The reason that your subs are high is because of the research and your professionalism. You going to continue to grow your channel and you totally deserve it.
Oh my! My own mother even thinks the picture of Ceely could be my twin. That’s so creepy.
Your show has easily become one of my favourites. You have the voice, the dedication not only to your followers but your subject matter and families effected either this week or last century. This all combined with your astute intellect and your true heartfelt compassion your channel should easily hit the high marks and thank you for taking all of us along on your journey. I am absolutely privileged 🎃🌹.
Arse - creeper!
@@craigbritz1684 Aren’t you a gem 💎
Thank you for another great story, Sommer! I’m surprised that with her disability she was able to pull this off. It’s crazy!
As a parent to a mentally challenged and Autistic son, I can see how this would happen. She was teased and unloved by the community. This does not make what she did right, but she could only think of herself. What a sad thing to happen to the family.😢
She was calculated enough to plot in advance the cover up of her crime
@@CBrown86 I do not condone this. She committed a crime and a horrible one at that. I am sure she did know right from wrong, my son does as well, but sometimes the moral part of the brain is affected by the brain damage. In other words, she could plot, hide her discussing acts, but still not be able to stop herself at any point. This makes her very dangerous certainly not at all excused from her wrong doing.
@@CBrown86I think you missed the point of her comment, which wasn't to to condone or take away blame & guilt, but to say that she could see how her 🧠 might have been warped over time. Most ppl w\ issues like those aren't bad or Evil. But if sane, "normal" (not normal necessarily but society's view of what normal is.), & rational ppl who suffer from no mental issues can be twisted into something else capable of cruel behavior, then why would it be beyond the realm of possible that somebody struggling w\mental health issues wouldn't be? Again, she wasn't giving her an excuse or saying that it was okay, just that she could see how after 20+y of ill treatment, being ostracized by her community, & possibly suffering from rough anger temperaments in her home as well might turn down this path bc the way that she thinks & views those around her has been shaped by the way she's treated. Who really knows if it could've been different. Bc everyone is different. But maybe just maybe had she been better cared for & a part of the community, she might not have went down this dark path. Or perhaps either way you split it, she would've given the ultimate situation that led to this. Honestly, it makes me feel bad for Guy Berry who was only trying to be kind. I'm sure learning that she committed these AWFUL crimes just out of some misguided belief that they would be together, & also tried to murder his family in such a cruel way as well, would've been something that weighed heavily on his mind for the remainder of his life. & Likely in that community he had that stain follow him as well bc those same cruel ppl would like to taunt him again & again. Which could ultimately have made him desire to not be in that situation again & change him from being kind.
@@CBrown86 She was described as having the same intellectual development as a six-year-old. Any child that age knows that when you do something naughty, hiding the evidence might keep you from being found out. But very few of them would be capable of understanding what death really means. In most countries, anyone at that level of development can't even be charged for criminal acts.
@@Amber-yq9ee If the opinions her teachers had of her intellectual level were right, I don't think she would've been able to really understand that death is permanent.
Considering the fact that ceeley was developmentally challenged i believe there's a very good chance that her mom is her real mom because when womem get up in age they have a much greater chance of having a child with disabilities which is why older women are discouraged from having babies until this very day.
Ummmm more likely it is due to the incest. You have a better chance being healthy if your mother is 40 rather than your mother being your sister
Your channel is amazing Sommer! Always looking forward to your next! Onward to a million!!!
Yayaya I have binged all your videos!!! So happy for this new one ! And congratulations!!!!❤❤
What a savage. Ma Dooks was feeling better so she hit her with a second round. Jeezis Murphy.
I had never heard of this case and the park is only 3 hours from me. Will definitely be visiting! Congrats on 100k, love your channel! ❤
Would be interesting to see what the convection would be under contemporary legal parameters. She showed premeditation, was astute enough to conceal the arsenic, saw the results of her actions in real-time, and still attempted to murder again. She said the devil made her do it, which should be sufficient to acknowledge that she can differentiate between right and wrong. Would they would have accepted an insanity plea in today's courts?
If the assessment of her as having the intellectual development of a six-year-old is correct, she would know that doing certain things was considered "bad" & therefore should be concealed, but still wouldn't have a real understanding of the permanence of death. I know the US is obsessed with punishment, but most countries wouldn't even consider a six-year-old child, or an adult at that level, capable of criminality.
@@mariaaguadoball3407 We are, unfortunately. She clearly needed some supervision, but it wouldn't make sense to treat her as an adult or truly culpable for the reasons you mentioned.
I don't think she would have. She would have been convicted of murder.
Times are just so different now, her learning disability & mental health would have been handled in a much better way. Enjoying watching her family die & poisoning her Mom the second time seems so sociopathic!!
@@crazydaisyog3984 Times are different now. So many people these days seem to have a real thirst for seeing others punished - preferably in the harshest way possible. Who was that who's "sociopathic" again?
If expert witnesses testified that her mental age was below the age of criminal liability she could potentially be found not guilty, but she would still be put into some kind of secured psychiatric facility because she's obviously dangerous. It might not be for the rest of her life though, if the doctors believed she was no longer a danger to others. Of course, this would vary by jurisdiction.
Great job, Sommer! I found you a year ago with the Magdalena Solis vampire cult murders --- and I've loved your content ever since last Halloween!
You have a very pleasant voice so it's easy to listen to you. You make it interesting with your wonderful story telling. Thank you for all these videos. I hope we all have a nice day.
21:00 "What the hell why is nothing happening" I'm sorry but that was pure comedy...lol
Birth defects are a lot more common when the mother (and, they're finding lately, the father) are older, so her intellectual disability at least is consistent with Rebecca actually being her mother. A pregnancy where the mother is forty is still considered a high-risk pregnancy even today, with modern healthcare.
I'm a new subscriber. I love listening to your videos while I'm at work or just chilling at home!
Waddup Sommer🤗thank you for the consistent content that always keeps my attention & have me coming back! Congrats on 100k!
Sommer, I love your content! you should do a post about Hara Krishna.. I had a family member that got sucked into that. it'd be interesting to see what you're in-depth research could find on the subject.
Even though by today's standards a 16 year old is clearly just wrong on so many levels to be with someone in their 20's, back then older men got with younger woman all the time so I almost don't see what would have been too wrong with a slightly older woman to get with a younger man back then, especially if possibly she could have also found a man like her with some clear developmental delays. Maybe it was more frowned upon for the older one to be the woman. In today's society I would say she had some developmental delays that weren't properly attended to as a child so she never developed out of them and her delays continued into adulthood. She also may have socially and developmentally fallen somewhere on the autism spectrum. It makes me sad that, just as you said, it must have been very jarring and clearly disrupted her routine a great deal when at 20 she stopped going to school. I wish the teacher would have kept her on as some kind of assistant and maybe she could have been trained to help with the younger children. Imagine the positivity something like that would have brought to her life instead of now being so sheltered and just hanging around the house swooning over boys.
Congratulations on reaching 100k subscribers! You deserve it! 🎉❤
Even though it was normal back then for a man to yet with a young girl it still isn't right and you shouldn't use that as a way to justify pedophilia wether ot be from a man or a woman either way it's disgusting.
That's like if Ceely was a 23 year old man and was attracted to a 16 year old girl it would STILL be disgusting and you wouldn't be trying to justify it.
Pedophilia is pedophilia no justification for it.
I’ve been watching you for a few months now - your channel came up as a suggestion. Instants subscriber 😊
BUT I was shocked on this video title as I went to watch. Could it possibly the Malabar farms I grew up by? The same Malabar games my step daughter was at a wedding at as I watched the video?? Yes.
It’s crazy how I can be 42 and been to a place too many times to count - I’m talking school field trips, weddings, to see the farm…. And never knew this story!!
So, thank you for my coverage. I am also going to share this on my fb page. I have a feeling all my local friends will be interested and maybe they will share too!
Helping my girl tryna blow up!
I just discovered this channel last week and I can’t stop watching
This makes me feel bad & wonder about Guy Berry's life after this. Obviously what happened was very awful & tragic! But having all this come out & be sensationalized meant that ppl all over knew the details. So, more than likely he did too. He knew she had committed these HEINOUS acts out of some misguided notion of being w\him. Not only that, but she also tried to murder his family in this SAME cruel & devastating way. There he was just trying to be kind to someone who had been treated badly & it blew up. Now, very clearly this was NOT HIS FAULT! But rather her's & the way she had been dealt w\her entire life, as well as how this particular situation was handled. But Im sure he carried this w\him for his life & was likely never allowed to forget it by those cruel ppl in their community. Hopefully, this didn't serve as a poison to his soul & turn him bitter or stomp out the kindness he'd had in him.
Fascinating story though! I'd never heard of it!
Sommer, you are the BEST!
Your research is amazing, 💕😻💕
Love your festive decorations 💕
Thank you!! 🥰
Greetings, S🎃MMER! I'd like to wish you a *GIGANTIC* congratulations on reaching 100K!!! I feel lucky to have found you when you only had a few videos posted. Now, I wait with great antici...pation (like Rocky Horror 😉) for every new video. You've earned your reward, and I know more are to come!
Thank you sooo much!! 🖤🖤🖤
Congrats on the 100k. Have been here since about video 4 or 5. So I am proud of you.
Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of your growth seems to be bringing out some real creeps.
Congrats on 100K!!!🎉
It’s no surprise.. there are ALOT of true crime UA-camrs out there and you have very quickly become my favorite..
here’s to 100K more!! 🍾
That was a really interesting story. I do believe in spirits & haunted houses. I would love to visit there. I will definitely read the book. Great story Sommer!
Sommer! As if I didn't love you and your channel enough but you are wearing a Coheed and Cambria shirt!!! You are such an awesome person!
YAY!!!👏👏👏 Congratulations on the well deserved 100k subscribers. I knew it wouldn't take you long. You're fantastic at what you do!
I love how you cover old cases!
Ohio is so creepy. I've been wanting to visit Malabar Farm, and didn't even know about this.
Why is Ohio creepy? The murders like that happen everywhere
Oh Yay!! Just notified. Will watch soon as I get home!! Thanks Sommer!!!
CONGRATULATIONS !!!! You deserve it so much! Thank you for helping me calm down before bed with you lovely voice and content! ❤
Thank you Sommer. Pulled the short straw doing unpaid overtime on a Saturday, so needed something to take my mind off endless testing. This cast has been fascinating. No evil persons, just tragic characters. Again great narrative.
Unpaid OT? Are you a manager?
@@jturtle5318 I wish. Lol
I just ran into your channel.very underatted i hope you keep growing you do an awesome job ❤
In times past, far away from large population centers, families had limited choices when dealing with the mentally handicapped or emotionally disturbed.
My father grew up in an impoverished area. There was a family in the area who had a son who was mentally retarded.
The family lived him and raised him well, as best they could.
But, when he reached puberty, he started raping his sisters, cousins, neighbors... There eas no controlling him.
After exhausting all other options, the family poisoned him. It was never spoken of by anyone in the community. I feel so deeply for all involved.
😳
Another facinating story. You are an excellent story teller. I look forward to many more. ❤
There is a good brewery in nearby Mansfield in the old morgue. It’s called Phoenix and the beers have names like John Doe, resurrection, etc.
100k is well-deserved! I still go back to some of your older eps every now and then. You do a great job!
I’ve been here a few times, heard it was haunted but didn’t know why.
Congratulations on 100,000! I have really enjoyed listening to Your podcasts. They are so good. This was one crazy story. Was this in TX, You said?! I apologize I was so enthralled in the case that I forgot where Malabar Farm is. I am happy that She was finally found out. This is so crazy that with Her lack of intelligence that She managed to do this horrible crime. You did another Great Job and wonderful research that You did with this one.
I look forward to seeing another one of Your videos. Thank You for sharing Your talents with Us again. 😊👍🏼👋🏼
It is in ohio
@@rustyowl7255 thank You.
Ohio, Richmond County
I've been to Malabar farm my mom grew up by it many times that house always gave me the worst vibes my parents wouldn't tell me because i was so young but when I found out everything made sense.
These stories are always fascinating, especially when told as you tell it - without all the bells and whistles and extra fluff. I don't think most of us need the gore in our faces to realize what a tregedy is. Thank you!
Since joining I believe I binged watched all of your videos except for abt 2 over the past few days 😅 glad to see another
Sommer, thanks for yet another amazing story! Congratulations on your 100k subscription milestone!🎉❤
I just listened to this Video...I like the way you presented the case and your Narration.
I decided to Subscribe to Your Channel....
Job well done sweetie.
Great job
Congrats girl! You’re so deserving of all your success 🖤 ps, I love your sweater 🤩