I also think Palps didn't want their armor to be too strong or the war would be over faster. I think the stormtrooper armor is considered technically stronger as apparently direct hits tended to knock stormtroopers out rather than kill them.
Another fun fact, Anakin and grievous are never in the same room/location throughout the series. This is so the line "General Grievous, you're shorter than I expected" would make sense in episode 3
@@CrypticCobra it was Obi Wan. Technically Anakin and Grievous were a few feet from eachother in the Gungan March on Theed Arc but grievous was restrained and Anakin was unconscious.
@@dontmiindme2104 greivous probably could’ve beaten an early clone wars Anakin, I personally think anakin unlocked more of his true power after his encounter with the Mortis Gods.
@@dontmiindme2104grievous probably would’ve killed Anakin, depending on what part of the clone wars it is. He only never met him because of the line in rots.
@@kyrone7379 and there both starwars with same continuity and rex in rebels has same armour as he did in clone wars so aka the same just diff name and animation,.
Phase 1 armor always holds up according to Rex. Pretty sure he combined the strongest elements of both phases in the final seasons, that’s why his helmet is unique with those marks on the bottom that clearly show it’s been welded
Not just his helmet his whole suit is modified by himself with phase 1 and 2 best of both parts giving maximum movement and agility without compromising the durability of phase 1 armor. But yes your right too
I do think that he survived and that a lot of clones actually survived getting hit and get knocked out instead because getting hit by a blaster shot is like getting hit by a train but concentrated into a tiny area also later during the genosis arc we se a lot of injured clones on stretchers and in gunships we also know of a large number of medical stations that are constantly at capacity if all the clones just instantly died then we wouldn’t see so many wounded
It would definitely knock the wind out of them and it’d hurt like a mofo with burns but plenty were able to walk it off. What I am curious about is burial/corpse retrieval details. Would be grim to see lots of black body bags or pods and clones burying the dead concluding a battle if they had the chance to. Also makeshift morgues with just lines and rows of dead troopers awaiting burial, with the Jedi/clone commander/friends of the deceased issuing last rites or commemorating their burial with a poignant, few parting words.
@@lufsolitaire5351Pretty sure that dead clones are collected so they can be liquified and their genetic materials used for more cloning... Or just turned into food. The Kaminoans have a horrific culture.
@@insertname3977 problem is the cloning bit aint the case. Otherwise why wouldn't the Kaminoans shift to those rather than keep to the original Jango gene stock? Which was kinda getting a bit finicky near the end?
Fun fact. The phase 1 armor is canonically stronger than phase 2. Phase 2 was made with comfort in mind, thusly it’s less protective. This is why Captain Rex fused the 2 sets together. Taking the most protective parts of the Phase 1 and any part of the phase 2 that needed to remain comfortable. Edit: man, y’all are really blowing up over this. Look y’all, it’s just Star Wars. No need to get so defensive over it. Chill, take a breath, and stop to think if the energy you’re going to put into this comment is worth it. Because I’ve already got like 40 of y’all telling me I’m wrong. And it truthfully doesn’t matter to me.
We also see a lot of stormtrooper shot in rebels that actually survive and are still conscious after taking one or two blaster bolts. Also showing that stormtroopers armour isn't useless
@@RudeAndObsceneif I remember correctly I think the stormtrooper armor would spread the shots force and cause them to pass out or something or the armor to like lock up I'm not %100 sure
It is just one shot from a B2 double blast. But what he is talking about is tge fact that it hit and started moving away. He wasn't watching and rewinding. He was looping. It really does bounce off.
@daltooinewestwood6380 Jesus christ really? I feel bad for the clones then ( even if i am a separtist guy ). That probably feels like getting rammed into by a semi-truck at top speeds but it burns
There are no B2s on the wall at that point, just B1s. This is definitely a reflection. It is, however, leaving with less energy than it arrived with. The question is how wounded is the soldier?.
I don't know what it is now. With Disney and legends and what not. But at one point it was explained that the armor worked like kevlar for blasters. It stopped the shot from being lethal. That's all. The trooper still takes a massive punch to the area, burns, etc. So while the armor saves the soldiers life. Very unlikely they will fight again soon. But then again that may no longer be cannon.
@@stonalisa3729 Since the whole excuse for Disney rebooting the canon was simplification, it makes you wonder why they they bothered doing it when they clearly don't care about simplification. I demand re-canonization! From my point of view, Disney canon is legends!
Yeah and there are some metal that is able to take a lot of damage from stuff like blasters and sometimes lightsabers but I don't think that the material the phase 1 armor was made from a lightsaber resistant metal
@@richardched6085 phase 1 armor is the armor that repels blaster shots, phase 2 armor is less protective and more comfortable and it's the armor Fives was wearing at the time of his death.
@@richardched6085 Phase 1 was the tougher armor of the two phases. More protective, several built in things like life support. Phase 2, not as protective but more comfortable, and trades in pre built in things for more customization and the like. Liiiike attaching external life support systems.
It also helps that the shot came in at an angle lot harder to punch through somthing when the angle is that steep. Makes the armor a lot thicker then when shooting level
If we're being realistic, despite the look of the bolt it is just plasma so the angle wouldn't really make a difference. Assuming it's not really a solid at all.
What actually happened: “Oh shit I accidentally pressed render twice on this blaster effect, do you think they’ll notice” “Nah man just say it was a ricochet” “A 180 degree ricochet?” “…yes?”
There was a cal 50 sniper video and the bullet travelled back almost hitting the shooter after hitting the target 😅 i guess its not absolutely impossible 😂
@@BruynDecker1 that’s an advantage you only get by creating a well developed world with characters people can relate to and make their own stories for. Star Wars is the Dark Souls of movies
Think of it similar to a Napoleonic Cuirassier cuirass. They were designed to deflect and protect against musket shots at 50 yards. Sometimes it worked, but most times it did not. So in the case of Republic Trooper armour I think the same. Range of a weapon help determine how and if the armour will succeed in protecting its wearer.
Exactly. And also the caliber. Napoleonic cuirasses could resist a handgun shot (the type used by officers for example) point blank range. Same for clone armor I imagine
The battle of Geonosis was also probably the only time Ki Adi Mundi was likeable as despite being wounded he still marched with his clones through waves of Geonosians to the Rendezvous point.
The armor is actually designed to deflect blaster bolts. However, just like real world armor, it doesn’t protect everything and it can get worn out. Even irl, a lot more people died later of wounds or after repeated blows during the battle, rather than just being immediately dropped.
The way I understood it is the armor was designed to take the damage and disperse that energy across the armor itself instead of into the user but blasters pack so much heat that the armor can't disperse it enough and you end of passing out from the extreme heat and pain of being shot but most don't actually die.
Well the initial armor they used was much stronger and more cumbersome, as were the weapons they used which is why in the 1st battle of geonosis many clones didn't even bother trying to raise their weapons to aim
From what I remember reading a while ago, most standard armor sets actually protect users from getting shot (mostly). It just leaves you floored or out of breath. But depending on the actual blaster model and it's power, it can straight up just kill you
I think there is something about the energy from the bolt dispersing throughout the armor, and that still being enough to knock people out. That clone, and probably a lot of other clones we see get shot, is likely just sleeping 😴
I think the clone just got knocked out. The blaster bolt hit him in the chest, therefore it’s likely he got the wind knocked out of him and passed out.
It could have gone through his heart but still redirected from the armor. For instance, if you shoot a real gun through the front window of a car, the bullet will either go up or down depending on which way it was shot from. That is something the animators could of had in mind. They were very big about detail. My point though is that the blast didn’t redirect on the inside, it redirected from his armor but still went through him.
This is perfectly correct. The may not be able to withstand a direct shot like mandalorian armor, but it was designed to ricochet a shot that wasn't direct.
Also their armor is specifically designed to halt blaster bolts because ricochet=friendly fire. Mandalorians avoid this problem by exclusively wearing reflective, blaster proof armor
I'm sure if he was important enough that they felony will give you this entire 8 episode show and at least three other seasons to follow which the second one will be half of the mandalorian.
A lot of the time they actually don't die, they just get knocked out cold, which isn't much better in the middle of a battle. I might be talking about Stormtroopers though.
I mean, I'm sure Clone Trooper phase 1 armor might have been better than Stormtrooper armor. It was more protective than the phase 2, and thats saying something
It would be cool if someone made a fan film of the clone waking up with everyone gone and having to survive the threats of geonosis like the separatists
Phase 1 gave clones a 40%-60% chance of surviving and tanking the shots. Phase 2 more-or-less stopped it completely (excluding some spots where you would just simply get shot), but rendered you unconscious (which Stormtrooper armour absolutely did in both regards).
Also the first humanoid armor the Kaminoans went with, so yeah. It's uncomfortable but it will keep you alive a lot more. Plus a lot of built in shit like life support!
I think the way the armor works is it disperses heat and is as electrically isolated as it can be on the budget end so most clones and storm troops to a degree less are passing out from shock not dying but are likely also in critical condition needing immediate medical aid that in war doesn't always arrive in time
Anyone who's played War thunder knows it all depends on where the projectile hits, the type of projectile, the part of the armour hit, and the angle it hit
Most armor is made to distribute or reflect fire to protect the body and In most cases this results in the blasted person blacking out. Not completely dead. This is especially.the case the the empire armor. In most of the scenes where you an imperial soldier get blasted it just knocks them out.
I remembered reading the clone wars novelization that clones would charge their armors to protect themselves from blaster fire maybe the droids developed stronger blasters. But it just reminded me of it.
You can explain part of it from it being phase 1 armor, as well as how it’s a very long range shot from an E11, meaning the shot would have been more diffused than at a typical range, or especially compared to point blank range.
damn phil’s dad had so many skills. he was a marine then he was the sheriff and he worked at the helicopter company and gave his son a free ACE certificate and new lore he was a mechanic
if you look at rexs armor after phase 2 drops he custom builds his own from both sets because the chest was harder in phase one armor but the sides were a little more open on ph2, he even went as far as splicing the helmets for the same purpose
Their armor wasn't made to deflect but to absorb, distribute, and disperse. That's either an animation glitch/error or they decided that clone in particular needed to get hit twice
Here's a quick thing. In Canon clone and stormtrooper armor is not designed to deflect bullets but to deflect debris from explosions like grenades and to block out smoke and just overall help with vision
The armor is meant to hold a certain amount of energy, just like in real life, depends on the intencity of the shot, angle, distance, probably the droid was so far that when the blast thit him the energy was far lesser than normal, meaning he was proected
I think that if it is a ricochet and not an animation glitch or a shot from one of the B2s on the wall, it's likely caused from the extreme angle that the droids are firing at combined with the height of the wall causing the blaster bolt to lose more of its energy than if the droid was firing level at the clone at the same horizontal distance. As for the clone being alive, almost certainly he's living. Plastoid can more often than not protect against direct impacts and leave the user wounded but alive, so a ricochet would likely leave the clone with minimal injuries as the bolt didn't even get to impart it's full energy into the armor
Phase 1 armor was meant to repel bolts but didn’t work well in most scenarios. The reason that glanced off could be because of long range damage falloff or an armor reinforcement
When The Empire Strikes Back came out in 1980, it was heralded by an official movie magazine/poster book. It described stormtrooper armor as being blaster- resistant ... that it could deflect grazing shots, but not direct hits. I know, this is clonetrooper armor...perhaps it was a bit stronger.... didn't seem to do that poor clone much good though.
A possible explanation is that clone/stormtrooper armour is designed to absorb civilian grade blaster bolts, which may explain why the blast looks thinner in the deflected half.
It’s the same with stormtrooper armour, originally it was made to suppress a blaster shot and spread the impact out across the chest piece (for example) and it would only incapacitate them for a period of time instead of killing them
Phase 1 armor was heavy and could have a chance of a deflection of the B1 blasters, they switch over later on to the phase 2 which was lighter for mobility reasons.
I believe the armor wasn't meant to completely block blaster shots, but rather preserve vital organs for later medical help, it makes sense that he'd be down but not completely out. Blaster wounds are self cauterizing and don't bleed, and one benefit of a clone army is organ transplants are much easier.
Here’s the thing people don’t understand about Star Wars… there is balance. People seem to think that clones and droids are both just non-skilled soldiers. And that armor is super weak. Except the clones were designed solely for combat, to be a grand army of very elite soldiers. But the droids were designed to also be very elite soldiers, and quite literally aimbot. The 2 simply cancel eachother out so they don’t seem very powerful when fighting eachother. Same goes for blasters and armor. With the creation of super strong and powerful armor, people would have had to design even more powerful weapons to get through that armor. So the armor is not just weak, but the weaponry is designed to be powerful enough to get through the armor. Everything is Star Wars seems to be very elite and powerful, but the opposing thing is also designed to be strong back. In turn creating balance. People don’t seem to understand this.
What's funny is blaster have the same temperature danger as lightsabers however it is nowhere near as concentrated or constant. It is not usually the plasma itself that kills armored ppl but the hotter than lava searing contact that transforms the armor into more molten liquid.
The armor can reflect back blast but it can't repel damage, it's like getting shot Point Blank with a gun while wearing a bulletproof vest you'll have internal bleeding and a bruise on the outside depending on how strong the bullet was the same applies for blasts 💥
The phase 1 armor seen here was never ment to reflect shots. It was just reeealy thick so if hit, the shot would have to burn though a lot of material to kill the clone. This is why the clones either died immediately or kept fighting, tho hurt form the raw impact. This let the clones have an advantage in the fight bc they had a chance to "ignore" being shot but it ment they had to replace troops more often as well. Phase 2 armor was designed to disperse the energy across the whole body leading to a much higher survival rate. However this also ment any shot would effectively be hitting the head as well meaning the clone would nearly always be knocked out if hit. The stormtroopers armor works this way as well.
The phase one armor was a dense and heavy plastic durasteel alloy. It was meant to mimic that of jango fetts beskar armor. The blaster bolts have alot of energy so if the bolt doesnt kill you the impact might. From that distance though blaster bolts should not do much damage becuase of physics and alot of complicated bullshit.
From the look of the scene, i think they just mixed up the blaster hit, it bounced because thier one "idea" was to it hitting Ashoka's Saber, but they killed the clone with it in the end and just left the bounce in (or something along those lines)
Well i can imagine the impact could’ve knocked him out. The armor did its job. Preventing penetration. He may have survived even if his heart stopped if a medic got to him quick enough
I look at their armor like a tanks, a shell will ricochet off a slanted surface and hit glancing blows. If you shot a blaster bolt and it hit the armor design just right it would ricochet. Especially from that height and angle, if something is going straight into a diagonal surface and can’t penetrate it will throw it outwards like a bad hit in baseball or a tank shell as I previously mentioned.
Phase 1 armor is basic protection against most everything on the battlefield. While it can reflect projectiles, the force of the bolt being ricochet off the armor would cause him to die. He got shot in the neck, shoulder, and chest region, so he's not getting up.
I’ve only ever noticed 1 other time that a clones armor actually helped and it was in the animated clone wars “movie” the clones decide they have to charge and as the clone is running at the droids he gets shot and keeps running at the droid until he hits it, instant regret, then the droid shoots him again and kills him
Clone armor was made to absorb/reflect blaster bolts. The standard droid blaster, the E-5 however, is a pretty heavy blaster shot. (It also overheats and is generally unsafe for non-droid/armored use) That's why you see clones take multiple shots before going down pretty often. If they do go down, a lot of times they may be rendered unconscious but not dead Stormtrooper armor was made to disperse the bolts and distribute the force across the entire armor set. That's why they seem to go down in one hit. The armor is actually incredibly strong. It just disperses the force ALL over. Which renders the wearer unconscious with a heavy enough blast or repeated shots. That's the explanation why sometimes you can see stormtroopers shifting around (Totally not because the extras playing them just happened to move) That does create a wonderful thing... The Rebellion doesn't really have prisons... So uh... Zealous stormtroopers that rarely defect and would happily try to break from custody... *Rebels probably don't take prisoners often*
The armor (probably) did it's job of protecting the clone from being fried by the blaster bolt, but the kinetic energy of the bolt knocked his ass to the ground. Kinda the same reason why we don't build bullet-resistant vests so thin. Yes, we CAN make a thin vest that'll keep the bullet from penetrating your skin, but that bullet would still injure you with a nasty bruise at best and still probably break something important at worst.
I think a cool canon thing would be from the distance and if the blaster is on its last charge before being changed out or whatever is could weaken the bolt to a point where it could bounce off
I think it is a ricochet. 1st bolt comes in as a single thin line, then we see two lines after he’s hit. The 2nd line is thicker, as if it was slightly disbursed from a reflection / deflection.
It's also cannon that stormtrooper armor was designed to dissipate the energy from blaster bolts. However this came at the cost at poor physical resistance. The energy from blaster bolts on Stormtrooper armor specifically would knock them unconscious. Same with Clone armor. however the pauldron and Kama (the command skirt that commanders and ARC troopers wear) Is a 2nd layer of protection against energy weapons usually made out of leather.
Stat bonus: 10% chance to deflect incoming projectiles
Debuff: 10% chance of survival
Gotta love EaW.
@@GX_Knave8707that's a AoE Debuff from being around the main characters
I also think Palps didn't want their armor to be too strong or the war would be over faster. I think the stormtrooper armor is considered technically stronger as apparently direct hits tended to knock stormtroopers out rather than kill them.
@@nahor88 well most of the rebels are set to stun probably
Another fun fact, Anakin and grievous are never in the same room/location throughout the series. This is so the line "General Grievous, you're shorter than I expected" would make sense in episode 3
It's also so they can keep grievous alive till the movie. LoL
I swear I have seen them fight before in the close wars lol. Maybe it was Obi that fought him...
@@CrypticCobra it was Obi Wan. Technically Anakin and Grievous were a few feet from eachother in the Gungan March on Theed Arc but grievous was restrained and Anakin was unconscious.
@@dontmiindme2104 greivous probably could’ve beaten an early clone wars Anakin, I personally think anakin unlocked more of his true power after his encounter with the Mortis Gods.
@@dontmiindme2104grievous probably would’ve killed Anakin, depending on what part of the clone wars it is. He only never met him because of the line in rots.
This isn’t the only time it happens in Star Wars. It also happens to Rex in Star Wars Rebels in the episode The Last Battle
It says clone wars not rebels read
@@kyrone7379 and there both starwars with same continuity and rex in rebels has same armour as he did in clone wars so aka the same just diff name and animation,.
@@kyrone7379 "it says clone wars not rebels read" says the dude saying "rebels" instead of "all of Star Wars" lmao
@@kyrone7379 Just incase he thought it only happened once in Star Wars
@@lights_utopia1130 yes thank you
Phase 1 armor always holds up according to Rex. Pretty sure he combined the strongest elements of both phases in the final seasons, that’s why his helmet is unique with those marks on the bottom that clearly show it’s been welded
He combined the strength of phase 1 with the comfortable elements of phase 2 I think
Not just his helmet his whole suit is modified by himself with phase 1 and 2 best of both parts giving maximum movement and agility without compromising the durability of phase 1 armor. But yes your right too
Just saw a video on this 😂 so ye 100% verified
I do think that he survived and that a lot of clones actually survived getting hit and get knocked out instead because getting hit by a blaster shot is like getting hit by a train but concentrated into a tiny area also later during the genosis arc we se a lot of injured clones on stretchers and in gunships we also know of a large number of medical stations that are constantly at capacity if all the clones just instantly died then we wouldn’t see so many wounded
It would definitely knock the wind out of them and it’d hurt like a mofo with burns but plenty were able to walk it off. What I am curious about is burial/corpse retrieval details. Would be grim to see lots of black body bags or pods and clones burying the dead concluding a battle if they had the chance to. Also makeshift morgues with just lines and rows of dead troopers awaiting burial, with the Jedi/clone commander/friends of the deceased issuing last rites or commemorating their burial with a poignant, few parting words.
@@lufsolitaire5351Pretty sure that dead clones are collected so they can be liquified and their genetic materials used for more cloning... Or just turned into food. The Kaminoans have a horrific culture.
He'd probably play dead so that the droids don't shoot him again to make sure he died and would call medic when the area is clear
Isolating a penetrating force to a smaller area makes it stronger and is not sonething you usually want to have done to you
@@insertname3977 problem is the cloning bit aint the case. Otherwise why wouldn't the Kaminoans shift to those rather than keep to the original Jango gene stock? Which was kinda getting a bit finicky near the end?
Fun fact. The phase 1 armor is canonically stronger than phase 2. Phase 2 was made with comfort in mind, thusly it’s less protective.
This is why Captain Rex fused the 2 sets together. Taking the most protective parts of the Phase 1 and any part of the phase 2 that needed to remain comfortable.
Edit: man, y’all are really blowing up over this. Look y’all, it’s just Star Wars. No need to get so defensive over it. Chill, take a breath, and stop to think if the energy you’re going to put into this comment is worth it. Because I’ve already got like 40 of y’all telling me I’m wrong. And it truthfully doesn’t matter to me.
More to it then that, phase 1 is heavier, but phase 2 is more comfortable and agile, and I'd more modular
Plus bad ass helmet
They were called body buckets...
We also see a lot of stormtrooper shot in rebels that actually survive and are still conscious after taking one or two blaster bolts. Also showing that stormtroopers armour isn't useless
@@RudeAndObsceneif I remember correctly I think the stormtrooper armor would spread the shots force and cause them to pass out or something or the armor to like lock up I'm not %100 sure
I’m pretty sure this is just one B2 blast from its double arm blaster
It is just one shot from a B2 double blast. But what he is talking about is tge fact that it hit and started moving away. He wasn't watching and rewinding. He was looping. It really does bounce off.
That would also explain why it kills the trooper, the arm canons on a B2 are the same kind used by Jango Fett, they pack a hell of a punch
In the slowed version, it is a single laser, so not the b2. I thought so at first to, and had to rewatched it 3 times to confirm it wasnt
@daltooinewestwood6380 Jesus christ really? I feel bad for the clones then ( even if i am a separtist guy ). That probably feels like getting rammed into by a semi-truck at top speeds but it burns
There are no B2s on the wall at that point, just B1s. This is definitely a reflection. It is, however, leaving with less energy than it arrived with. The question is how wounded is the soldier?.
I don't know what it is now. With Disney and legends and what not. But at one point it was explained that the armor worked like kevlar for blasters. It stopped the shot from being lethal. That's all. The trooper still takes a massive punch to the area, burns, etc. So while the armor saves the soldiers life. Very unlikely they will fight again soon.
But then again that may no longer be cannon.
Canon became as complicated as Legends. Writers do one thing and Filoni makes his own canon
@@stonalisa3729 Since the whole excuse for Disney rebooting the canon was simplification, it makes you wonder why they they bothered doing it when they clearly don't care about simplification. I demand re-canonization! From my point of view, Disney canon is legends!
I don’t think this is a bouncing laser. I’m pretty sure it was just a B2’s double arm blaster, as there was a whole row of them as well
The bolt went back up after it hit tho
I would agree, but you see 1 blaster bolt at first then you see 2.
That is not laser.
Those guys are alive. The armor is meant to repel the energy from the blaster shot.
Yeah and there are some metal that is able to take a lot of damage from stuff like blasters and sometimes lightsabers but I don't think that the material the phase 1 armor was made from a lightsaber resistant metal
Then how did Fives die?
@@richardched6085 phase 1 armor is the armor that repels blaster shots, phase 2 armor is less protective and more comfortable and it's the armor Fives was wearing at the time of his death.
@@richardched6085 Phase 1 was the tougher armor of the two phases. More protective, several built in things like life support.
Phase 2, not as protective but more comfortable, and trades in pre built in things for more customization and the like.
Liiiike attaching external life support systems.
@@richardched6085 it was phase 2
It also helps that the shot came in at an angle lot harder to punch through somthing when the angle is that steep. Makes the armor a lot thicker then when shooting level
If we're being realistic, despite the look of the bolt it is just plasma so the angle wouldn't really make a difference. Assuming it's not really a solid at all.
What actually happened:
“Oh shit I accidentally pressed render twice on this blaster effect, do you think they’ll notice”
“Nah man just say it was a ricochet”
“A 180 degree ricochet?”
“…yes?”
This is the correct analysis.
There was a cal 50 sniper video and the bullet travelled back almost hitting the shooter after hitting the target 😅 i guess its not absolutely impossible 😂
Blaster bolts can have a 180 ricochet anyway, it happens with lightsabers all the time
Gotta be an awesome thing about writing errors in Star Wars, you’re not making a mistake just inventing new cannon
@@BruynDecker1 that’s an advantage you only get by creating a well developed world with characters people can relate to and make their own stories for. Star Wars is the Dark Souls of movies
Think of it similar to a Napoleonic Cuirassier cuirass. They were designed to deflect and protect against musket shots at 50 yards. Sometimes it worked, but most times it did not.
So in the case of Republic Trooper armour I think the same. Range of a weapon help determine how and if the armour will succeed in protecting its wearer.
Exactly. And also the caliber. Napoleonic cuirasses could resist a handgun shot (the type used by officers for example) point blank range. Same for clone armor I imagine
The battle of Geonosis was also probably the only time Ki Adi Mundi was likeable as despite being wounded he still marched with his clones through waves of Geonosians to the Rendezvous point.
The armor is actually designed to deflect blaster bolts. However, just like real world armor, it doesn’t protect everything and it can get worn out. Even irl, a lot more people died later of wounds or after repeated blows during the battle, rather than just being immediately dropped.
The way I understood it is the armor was designed to take the damage and disperse that energy across the armor itself instead of into the user but blasters pack so much heat that the armor can't disperse it enough and you end of passing out from the extreme heat and pain of being shot but most don't actually die.
Remember, most clones and storm troopers survive getting shot. They basically get K.O.
Yep, being hit by those fast bolt gonna make you drop pretty quickly 😂
Well the initial armor they used was much stronger and more cumbersome, as were the weapons they used which is why in the 1st battle of geonosis many clones didn't even bother trying to raise their weapons to aim
From what I remember reading a while ago, most standard armor sets actually protect users from getting shot (mostly). It just leaves you floored or out of breath. But depending on the actual blaster model and it's power, it can straight up just kill you
I think there is something about the energy from the bolt dispersing throughout the armor, and that still being enough to knock people out. That clone, and probably a lot of other clones we see get shot, is likely just sleeping 😴
I think the clone just got knocked out. The blaster bolt hit him in the chest, therefore it’s likely he got the wind knocked out of him and passed out.
I feel like it's more probable that two blast hit him...
no
It could have gone through his heart but still redirected from the armor. For instance, if you shoot a real gun through the front window of a car, the bullet will either go up or down depending on which way it was shot from. That is something the animators could of had in mind. They were very big about detail.
My point though is that the blast didn’t redirect on the inside, it redirected from his armor but still went through him.
Landing at Point Rain might be the coolest episode. Seeing Republic Cruisers operating in-atmosphere was a trip.
I remember reading a number somewhere that claimed the clone plastoid armor had 60% chance to defuse or deflect a (red) blaster bolt.
Accidentally left blaster on training mode
This is perfectly correct. The may not be able to withstand a direct shot like mandalorian armor, but it was designed to ricochet a shot that wasn't direct.
Also their armor is specifically designed to halt blaster bolts because ricochet=friendly fire. Mandalorians avoid this problem by exclusively wearing reflective, blaster proof armor
he had beskar
11 percent of beskar 😊
The Armor is quite strong and effective at dissipating impact and heat from blaster bolts, however the impact is strong enough to stun and injure.
"Phase one armor always holds up" - Rex
I'm sure if he was important enough that they felony will give you this entire 8 episode show and at least three other seasons to follow which the second one will be half of the mandalorian.
A lot of the time they actually don't die, they just get knocked out cold, which isn't much better in the middle of a battle. I might be talking about Stormtroopers though.
I mean, I'm sure Clone Trooper phase 1 armor might have been better than Stormtrooper armor.
It was more protective than the phase 2, and thats saying something
That’s what I know usually happens to storm troopers. Maybe applies to phase 1 clone armor too.
I don't see it bouncing off, i see a direct hit
It would be cool if someone made a fan film of the clone waking up with everyone gone and having to survive the threats of geonosis like the separatists
Ki Adi Mundi relived his Vietnam days on Geonosis
My pyromaniac self is very disappointed that flamers were only used here. That's the only reason 40k is superior. Flamers galore.
That Was Pahse 1 armor good against Blaster Shots But limited The Clone movements
Phase 1 gave clones a 40%-60% chance of surviving and tanking the shots. Phase 2 more-or-less stopped it completely (excluding some spots where you would just simply get shot), but rendered you unconscious (which Stormtrooper armour absolutely did in both regards).
Is no one going to talk about how the imperialist republic used flamethrowers against the geonosians who were fighting for their freedom?
Here's some clone lore. Phase 1 armor which is the one you see, is actually built and designed to survive against blaster fire and others
Also the first humanoid armor the Kaminoans went with, so yeah. It's uncomfortable but it will keep you alive a lot more.
Plus a lot of built in shit like life support!
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also weird thing is the droids on the wall were all commander droids 💀
That blastershot was just from so far away that it was weak enough to bounce off. Really insane love for detail.
I think the way the armor works is it disperses heat and is as electrically isolated as it can be on the budget end so most clones and storm troops to a degree less are passing out from shock not dying but are likely also in critical condition needing immediate medical aid that in war doesn't always arrive in time
Anyone who's played War thunder knows it all depends on where the projectile hits, the type of projectile, the part of the armour hit, and the angle it hit
It probably deflects but still transfers immense heat and kinetic energy, leaving the trooper in pain but alive
Most armor is made to distribute or reflect fire to protect the body and In most cases this results in the blasted person blacking out. Not completely dead.
This is especially.the case the the empire armor. In most of the scenes where you an imperial soldier get blasted it just knocks them out.
Landing at point rain is such a good episode. Definitely one of my favorites
I remembered reading the clone wars novelization that clones would charge their armors to protect themselves from blaster fire maybe the droids developed stronger blasters. But it just reminded me of it.
You can explain part of it from it being phase 1 armor, as well as how it’s a very long range shot from an E11, meaning the shot would have been more diffused than at a typical range, or especially compared to point blank range.
My favourite part was when Ki Adi Mundi was like: *Hans, get ze flammenwerfer!*
damn phil’s dad had so many skills. he was a marine then he was the sheriff and he worked at the helicopter company and gave his son a free ACE certificate and new lore he was a mechanic
if you look at rexs armor after phase 2 drops he custom builds his own from both sets because the chest was harder in phase one armor but the sides were a little more open on ph2, he even went as far as splicing the helmets for the same purpose
The clones committing war crimes with the flamethrowers
Their armor wasn't made to deflect but to absorb, distribute, and disperse. That's either an animation glitch/error or they decided that clone in particular needed to get hit twice
Maybe It's from the double gun from the fat bots in the back line
Here's a quick thing. In Canon clone and stormtrooper armor is not designed to deflect bullets but to deflect debris from explosions like grenades and to block out smoke and just overall help with vision
The armor is meant to hold a certain amount of energy, just like in real life, depends on the intencity of the shot, angle, distance, probably the droid was so far that when the blast thit him the energy was far lesser than normal, meaning he was proected
I think that if it is a ricochet and not an animation glitch or a shot from one of the B2s on the wall, it's likely caused from the extreme angle that the droids are firing at combined with the height of the wall causing the blaster bolt to lose more of its energy than if the droid was firing level at the clone at the same horizontal distance. As for the clone being alive, almost certainly he's living. Plastoid can more often than not protect against direct impacts and leave the user wounded but alive, so a ricochet would likely leave the clone with minimal injuries as the bolt didn't even get to impart it's full energy into the armor
The clones in orange digital camo said the hate the sound of the geonocian wings. A call back to Republic Commando
Phase one armor can deflect blaster botls for example hevy got hit a bunch before he blew himself up
Bro got hit so hard he bounced but so did the bullet 😂
I heard that the phase 1 armor actually did serve its purpose but the impact from the blaster shot is what actually killed a lot of them.
Phase 1 armor was meant to repel bolts but didn’t work well in most scenarios. The reason that glanced off could be because of long range damage falloff or an armor reinforcement
He turned into a sparkle for a second.
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When The Empire Strikes Back came out in 1980, it was heralded by an official movie magazine/poster book. It described stormtrooper armor as being blaster- resistant ... that it could deflect grazing shots, but not direct hits. I know, this is clonetrooper armor...perhaps it was a bit stronger.... didn't seem to do that poor clone much good though.
A possible explanation is that clone/stormtrooper armour is designed to absorb civilian grade blaster bolts, which may explain why the blast looks thinner in the deflected half.
It’s the same with stormtrooper armour, originally it was made to suppress a blaster shot and spread the impact out across the chest piece (for example) and it would only incapacitate them for a period of time instead of killing them
Phase 1 armor was heavy and could have a chance of a deflection of the B1 blasters, they switch over later on to the phase 2 which was lighter for mobility reasons.
I believe the armor wasn't meant to completely block blaster shots, but rather preserve vital organs for later medical help, it makes sense that he'd be down but not completely out. Blaster wounds are self cauterizing and don't bleed, and one benefit of a clone army is organ transplants are much easier.
Here’s the thing people don’t understand about Star Wars… there is balance. People seem to think that clones and droids are both just non-skilled soldiers. And that armor is super weak. Except the clones were designed solely for combat, to be a grand army of very elite soldiers. But the droids were designed to also be very elite soldiers, and quite literally aimbot. The 2 simply cancel eachother out so they don’t seem very powerful when fighting eachother. Same goes for blasters and armor. With the creation of super strong and powerful armor, people would have had to design even more powerful weapons to get through that armor. So the armor is not just weak, but the weaponry is designed to be powerful enough to get through the armor. Everything is Star Wars seems to be very elite and powerful, but the opposing thing is also designed to be strong back. In turn creating balance. People don’t seem to understand this.
What's funny is blaster have the same temperature danger as lightsabers however it is nowhere near as concentrated or constant. It is not usually the plasma itself that kills armored ppl but the hotter than lava searing contact that transforms the armor into more molten liquid.
The Geonosis arc is one of my favourite ones in the Clone Wars
I think it's the angle. to quote Lucius Fox "it'll stop anything but a straight shot"
That clone actually dies in this scene but in a later movie, somehow this clone returned.
The armor can reflect back blast but it can't repel damage, it's like getting shot Point Blank with a gun while wearing a bulletproof vest you'll have internal bleeding and a bruise on the outside depending on how strong the bullet was the same applies for blasts 💥
The phase 1 armor seen here was never ment to reflect shots. It was just reeealy thick so if hit, the shot would have to burn though a lot of material to kill the clone. This is why the clones either died immediately or kept fighting, tho hurt form the raw impact. This let the clones have an advantage in the fight bc they had a chance to "ignore" being shot but it ment they had to replace troops more often as well.
Phase 2 armor was designed to disperse the energy across the whole body leading to a much higher survival rate. However this also ment any shot would effectively be hitting the head as well meaning the clone would nearly always be knocked out if hit. The stormtroopers armor works this way as well.
The phase one armor was a dense and heavy plastic durasteel alloy. It was meant to mimic that of jango fetts beskar armor. The blaster bolts have alot of energy so if the bolt doesnt kill you the impact might. From that distance though blaster bolts should not do much damage becuase of physics and alot of complicated bullshit.
From the look of the scene, i think they just mixed up the blaster hit, it bounced because thier one "idea" was to it hitting Ashoka's Saber, but they killed the clone with it in the end and just left the bounce in (or something along those lines)
I remember learning about phase 1 armor, very cool!
Well i can imagine the impact could’ve knocked him out. The armor did its job. Preventing penetration. He may have survived even if his heart stopped if a medic got to him quick enough
Now that’s some good attention to detail.
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I look at their armor like a tanks, a shell will ricochet off a slanted surface and hit glancing blows. If you shot a blaster bolt and it hit the armor design just right it would ricochet. Especially from that height and angle, if something is going straight into a diagonal surface and can’t penetrate it will throw it outwards like a bad hit in baseball or a tank shell as I previously mentioned.
That's an Star Wars FFG critical hit overpower roll where the droid got to fire a free second concurrent shot at the target.
In canon, phase 1 clone trooper armor is actually strong enough to protect them from and even reflect blaster bolts.
Micheal is the type of guy to worry about one clone surviving, while the Jedi couldn't care less.
Phase 1 armor is basic protection against most everything on the battlefield. While it can reflect projectiles, the force of the bolt being ricochet off the armor would cause him to die. He got shot in the neck, shoulder, and chest region, so he's not getting up.
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I’ve only ever noticed 1 other time that a clones armor actually helped and it was in the animated clone wars “movie” the clones decide they have to charge and as the clone is running at the droids he gets shot and keeps running at the droid until he hits it, instant regret, then the droid shoots him again and kills him
Clone armor was made to absorb/reflect blaster bolts. The standard droid blaster, the E-5 however, is a pretty heavy blaster shot. (It also overheats and is generally unsafe for non-droid/armored use)
That's why you see clones take multiple shots before going down pretty often. If they do go down, a lot of times they may be rendered unconscious but not dead
Stormtrooper armor was made to disperse the bolts and distribute the force across the entire armor set. That's why they seem to go down in one hit. The armor is actually incredibly strong. It just disperses the force ALL over. Which renders the wearer unconscious with a heavy enough blast or repeated shots. That's the explanation why sometimes you can see stormtroopers shifting around (Totally not because the extras playing them just happened to move)
That does create a wonderful thing... The Rebellion doesn't really have prisons... So uh... Zealous stormtroopers that rarely defect and would happily try to break from custody...
*Rebels probably don't take prisoners often*
Legend like that keeps walking
The armor (probably) did it's job of protecting the clone from being fried by the blaster bolt, but the kinetic energy of the bolt knocked his ass to the ground. Kinda the same reason why we don't build bullet-resistant vests so thin. Yes, we CAN make a thin vest that'll keep the bullet from penetrating your skin, but that bullet would still injure you with a nasty bruise at best and still probably break something important at worst.
I think a cool canon thing would be from the distance and if the blaster is on its last charge before being changed out or whatever is could weaken the bolt to a point where it could bounce off
Is technically partly Mandalorian armor in Mandalorian armor is tends to do that with any Blaster shot so yeah
I think it is a ricochet. 1st bolt comes in as a single thin line, then we see two lines after he’s hit. The 2nd line is thicker, as if it was slightly disbursed from a reflection / deflection.
No no. This one guy had straight Beskar armour
It's also cannon that stormtrooper armor was designed to dissipate the energy from blaster bolts. However this came at the cost at poor physical resistance. The energy from blaster bolts on Stormtrooper armor specifically would knock them unconscious.
Same with Clone armor. however the pauldron and Kama (the command skirt that commanders and ARC troopers wear) Is a 2nd layer of protection against energy weapons usually made out of leather.