It is the best. I watched an episode by Hoover Institute by three establishment historians who never even contemplated history is written by the victors and some of it might be worth considering. They might as well be working for the FBI defending the U.S. narrative to the last comma. One of the Neil Fergusson had authored his thesis on WWI which was now contradicting to stay on the side of the establishment. Dry, subservient to the system. It made me miss this podcast. They are changing to story now to suit a Trump administration when only a few weeks ago Fergusson was saying that he would return to the U.K. if Trump won. He must have got a small raise.
At points I wondered whether he was treading into leprechaun territory. (And I want to make clear: This is not a complaint on my part. I rather enjoyed the whole interpretive reading, as I'm enjoying the whole series.)
Thank you, fabulous education and entertainment. History podcasts that are stuffed with silly points are ten a penny. As yet there's only one that wants to mount a legendary allrounder. I'd like to think Bloody Knife got his name from the frustration of it not being very good when he used it.
My heartiest congratulations on your series on the Little Bighorn and its surrounding geopolitics! You folks do a much better job of this than the vast majority of American chroniclers. Indeed, just yesterday a program came out on UA-cam called "Truth About George Armstrong Custer" and it was simply riddled with errors that were appalling for such a grandiose title, and which relied on terribly outdated source material. I can even recommend your series to citizens of the US who want to actually learn many of the verified facts about this famous event. Not being American myself, but Canadian, I have been able to take a little more dispassionate view of the entire history of what happened and get down to the meat and bones of the entire affair. I suppose this is the puzzling aspect of it all. Some Americans get so frenzied about this battle that a high percentage would probably step into a time machine to go back and win the battle for the good guys. Poor educational standards and a misplaced patriotism seem to be the governing factors in much of this. 🤷♂
@ToddSuave No, most Americans would NOT agree with most Indian battles or the way it was handled then. Most Americans wish there had been a better way. I'm sure you as a Canadian feel bad for all the "Catholic schools" for native children where they were treated cruelly and the boys were buggered. So, yeah, there's that.
@@ellaw356 I'm not saying what you think I am. I am saying that many Americans I run into on these various Western forums have problems with losing the Battle of the Little Bighorn. That is not the majority of Americans, I would think, just the ones who can't stand losing at anything. You know the type. Some residential schools in Canada were bad alright. But some of our Indians say they got a very good education and were not molested at all, so it was a mixed bag like anything else.
@@ellaw356 I am not anti-American by the way. My grandfather was born in Illinois and came to Saskatchewan about 1910 with his father and the rest of the family for free farmland. There are millions of Western Canadians who are descended from Americans.
Tom thinks that all the frontiersman laughed like Roscoe P Coltrane from the Dukes of Hazard! I love the impressions that the English have of "Americans". Indeed, there are hundreds if not thousands of types of Americans. This is history and comedy all wrapped up together. "Jolly good, I tell you!" 😂🤣😂🤣😅
Excellent series . Ref Custer's rank he is a substantive Lieutenant Colonel (i.e. his regular army rank) whilst army convention was to refer to an officer by his highest rank achieved, thus he is conventionally referred to as General Custer. Similar to this, Captain Frederick W. Benteen was referred to by his Civil War rank of Colonel....Just heard the section about his hair, he was losing it but had it cut short for the campaign....
Is there no end to Tom's talent as a voice over actor. I had no idea that General Custer came from the North of England. If you ever decided to tell the story of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Tom, Butch's family have said his voice sounded a lot like George Formby, if it helps. Though there is no truth to the rumour that after a successful train robbery he was once heard to say "It's turned out nice again."
One issue about the quality of the cavalry’s weaponry: the 1873 Springfield single-shot carbine was a fairly good weapon. But thanks to the poor quality ammunition provided by Grant’s very corrupt War Department, the weapons would frequently overheat and jam after firing a few shots because the substandard copper-jacketed cartridges would be distorted by the heat.
Me too. I think it was spot on. It might have sounded funny to Dominic but if he had spent the time rehearsing it then I think it would be clear to him the jaunty nature of the speech pattern would elicit that kind of speaking tone and manner
Tom treats Custer like he's a clown in battle. I agree with him that Custers default setting was to be overly bold but you don't climb the ranks of the military as he did without having a measure of military acumen.
Great stuff , absolutely loving the period character impersonations , especially the prospector finding gold and Libbie Custer!!! Curious thar Herman Goering would quote Grant and Sheridans 'language"towards the Indian question in his defence at Nuremburg much to the prosecutions dismay.
In fact, Custer's men were surprising poorly armed - because of the army was underfunded and that was compounded by the corruption in the Department of War causing a lot money to go into pockets instead of going to support the army.
"No-one studies that 1870s or 1880s anymore" It's a shame because that was the time when America's economic and industrial might really began and continues to this day. You still see it in modern companies: Standard Oil > S.O. > Esso > ExxonMobil
Custer and others like him had experienced the planes and nature's savagery the way hunters and gatherer natives were born into. He understood that they were not in control the way the city dwellers imagine themselves to be. So, he believed in destiny and knew that part of himself was tamed by civilization. The primal part of him had awakened in that environment. His incapability to conform and his problems with gamboling and women are the symptoms of the uneasy conformity civilization dictates to all of us. What do we do when we get away to the country for the weekend? We return to nature. Why are people suffering from anxiety and depression advised to get away? So, what sounds paradoxical is perfectly understandable from a man like him. Why are prisons filled with men? It is a primal inheritance from the past that modern has had to set aside to fit into society. Male elephants spend most of their times away from females and children. Male Lion only just tolerates his own offspring. Conrads into the darkness is the story of returning to savagery. The past persists for good or bad. Nature is amoral and indifferent to our social norms and them developments.
During Custer's suspension from the army he took a trip to Canada, in southern Ontario, with one of his "royal family" members WW Cooke, who was a Canadian and died with him on the Little Bighorn. Accompanied by the mayor of Detroit they went on a gambling and partying tour. I don't think his wife Libby went with him, so who knows what this crew got up to. 👀🤷♂😟
Imagine Buffalo Bill’s Flying Circus. Sitting Bull zooming overhead on a cloud firing down with a banana bow shooting celery arrows. Next to him his old friend called Sitting on a Cloud is telling him why their friend Fell of a Cloud isn’t there. 😃
You guys are great to watch and listen to. I often wonder just what would have happened if the native Americans had decided to turn and put the attention on Reno and Benteen as they did to Custer and his companies. Could or would they have wiped them out as well and then what would have happened?? I feel the only way the military defeated the native Americans were to go in and slaughter the entire village, women,children ,elderly and whatever else was there.. I don't remember the military being victorious out in the open. Warfare was so different and the way military approached battle..our history would have been totally different i think. Who knows, THE native Americans could still be roaming the black hills .. thanks guys.
But in the 1870s, as far as I know, there were no American accents that were so pronounced. Tom gives an almost southern accent to Custer, which I suppose is from watching too many 20th century Western movies, LOL!
@@tomtaylor6163 I live in Calgary and I find that most Americans from the northern states sound virtually indistinguishable from Canadians. This is the accent that the media seem to try to implement across the continent.
@@tomtaylor6163 There can be a bit of a Western accent in the US, as well, so that may be it. Usually a good way to differentiate which side of the border a person is from is they will use "huh" or "eh," the former often signifying they are American and latter they are Canadian. There are exceptions to even this rule, however. 🤠
@@fastpublish True in practical terms. But I was thinking of personality and politics. Both Custer and Heydrich were flamboyant narcissists. Both believed they would go on to bigger things politically, and both engaged in genocide because they believed a group pf people were in the way of progress not because they had an especial hatred for the group concerned. While in Custer's case that was to some degree true because the Lakota were physically occupying the great planes, in Heydrich's case it was just delusional or perhaps a political convenience. He once said that if the Jews had not existed, the Nazi's would have had to invent them. To him, Nazism needed a race enemy and he did not particularly care who it was.
@@VaucluseVanguard They had some similarities but Heydrich was of a different order altogether. I cannot imagine Custer planning the systematic slaughter of 13 million people in gas chambers. Heydrich was a more intelligent man, too. Custers are reasonably common; Heydrichs are, thankfully, rare.
Sherman was quite into cultural suppression. His march through Georgia was horrifying and it seems he applied the same intentions to the indians. I always thought him to be a nasty piece of work and this information tends to confirm it. Very good history as always. Oh, every time Sheridan is mentioned I think of Hyacinth Bucket too, oh dear…
The quote you’ve read from Custer. I took it as he was looking at civilization in disdain and that what he was doing was on behalf of we the people in order to form a more perfect union yeah those people that’s what he meant, and he was doing his duty as the people saw fit for him to do it as any soldier would unfortunately, and I believe from what the gentleman read in a very unflattering way was sarcasm by General Custer so I thought the whole thing was seen well in advance of his time because today as we look on it, it was a genocide. It was what the Germans did to the Jews by stealing the land what the Jews did to the Palestinians by stealing the land the Americans stole the land , and concentrated the Indians on reservations minus the gas chambers in the showers. I don’t see a big difference between Nazi Germany and 19 century American politics concerning the Indian. It’s a travesty. It’s a tragedy.
Yeah but wouldn't the alternative be that the US would be right now in the same situation as Israel, constantly fighting Indian insurrections? LIsten to what the chieftains said about their plight, they knew very well they also stole (conquered) those lands or mountains from other tribes. Woe to the vanquished.
Indians had Henry rifles, 13 rounds fire in 30 secs repeating action. Cavalry had more accurate over distance carbines but they can only fire 4 rounds in 30 secs.
15:00 Interesting discussion of Darwin and the (then) new idea of natural selection/evolution. It perfectly played into and seemingly supported manifest destiny. Fast forward 50 or so years and another consequence was the eugenics movement.
I'm enjoying these shows, however, D&T do something in this series I've never seen anyone do; describe the Union in the civil war as opposed to White Supremacy. Many abolitionists didn't want Africans to be brought to this country, that was the basis for their opposition to Slavery, not our modern warm fuzzy equality day dream. That same Union army went out west and destroyed the Indians precisely for white supremacy, as would be described today. Please justify the claim that the Union was opposed to White supremacy. No one from that period would say that.
This is the first moment in the series when our hosts’ Britishness is really an impediment. They seem to think that if the Plains Indians had just embraced farming they would have been accepted eventually along with the Irish and Italians. No flipping idea what a nightmare of an issue skin color has always been in the US. Even today Native Americans still face huge prejudice, in cities and reservation border towns alike.
“Whatever happens we have got, The maxim gun and they have not.” Too early for Custer to have read? But then there’s “John” and his “Bunkie” and did “John” have better luck in the valley of the rosebud than in the Valley of the Rosebud?
The European chauvinism to the cultures they encountered is unjustifiable. It wasn't anything like these cultures to be assimilated into the European. You were at the right track at first: It's entirely about extermination. Sven Lindquist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is an essential book to understand the extend of that mentality.
Lt Col GA Custer had been breveted major general, Michigan volunteers during the Civil War, then busted down to his regular rank of ltc though was honorific ''general'' to accord his highest rank.
Great episode, but if you want to know how Tom's American accent sounds to Americans, just think about how Dick Van Dyke's cockney accent sounds to Brits.
The native Indians to this day,( it seems to me) are on the fringes of modern society, neither living their traditional life, nor being fully integrated into modern society, living in a sort of nether world….
I'm so happy this show popped up on my homescreen. Great job.. one thing..If one looks at the relationships between European Settlers and Native Tribes, an honest investigation would include the opinions and history of minority tribes that allied with the Europeans. I have a cousin that is 1/2 Pima 1/2 Irish (Good looking guy). He schooled me from their perspective.
Custer fathered an illegitimate child by a Cheyenne woman. The Cheyenne knew this and therefore considered him a relative. It is believed that this was the reason his body was not mutilated after he was killed.
Colonial forces first were seen as the instrument of God's will. So darwinism is like a secular version of the same idea. The the invaders in whatever land were the sword of fate against the locals
Tom, don't ever do that again.... LOL There are lt. colonels (not colonel lieutenants) in the US army. I've been to the Badlands and Black Hills twice. Just beautiful land....
Hmm, lieutenant colonel is an official rank in the US military and it certainly existed back in the 1870s because that is what Custer was. He had the rank of brevet brigadier general from the civil war but only lieutenant colonel in the peace time army.
Hello, great series! But Dakota is not another pronunciation of Lakota. There were 3 tribes Dakota in Minnesota, Lakota in the west of the Dakotas, Wyoming etc. and the Nakota, the smallest group on the Missouri bewtween the Mandan and the Arikaras.
You guys r wonderful, but a correction: Kentucky was a Union state. Indeed, keeping it Union was key to Lincoln's early war policies ("I pray that god is on our side, but we must have Kentucky")
@@DriveByShouting yea lol they always gonna disagree but I'm a new modern day Lakota who is still very much into the ways...i believe we r fighting for the black hills not only for our tribe bit for all tribes now
If you mean North America...I agree. But if you mean the Black Hills...you are speaking with forked tongue! BTW...what were the Lakota doing trespassing on Crow reservation land in the valley of the Little Big Horn in 1876???
@@Master...deBater it's always been Lakota land we came from underground. Do you actually believe that false story that the crow where there first 😂 your not as educated as you would like to think huh. The crow and other tribes knew that was our land the paha sapa that's y during the treaties the crow or any other tribe didnt argue about what part of the land they get. We was always here my boy.
Your history is wrong. The Indians were better armed with repeating rifles. Of course, it wasn't uniform, but overall they possessed better, more modern weapons. The banter is entertaining but some of your factual assumptions and statements fall short, don't they, what?
Find it interesting them talking about wiping out the native Americans as survival of the fittest. Hitler had this mindset too, in his view of wiping out the slav population, that it was just that Germans were a superior race and it was the way of things. My question is, where did this mindset go. Because that view is very primitive and connected to nature in a way. I think we may be losing our connection with nature in a way, in the developed countries of the world at least
Why did you have Crazy Horse name in this when you both spend very little time talking about him sorry but its all about Custer and no more accents I was interseted because of crazy horse but poor show
The title refers to the 8 episode series which this episode is part of. Highly recommend checking out the other episodes where they cover Crazy Horse in detail!
Sometimes I lose hope for the internet. This channel and these two guys never fail to restore my optimism for the redemption of the web.
Conversely, most critical thinkers have this skepticism regarding the main stream media.
It is the best. I watched an episode by Hoover Institute by three establishment historians who never even contemplated history is written by the victors and some of it might be worth considering. They might as well be working for the FBI defending the U.S. narrative to the last comma.
One of the Neil Fergusson had authored his thesis on WWI which was now contradicting to stay on the side of the establishment.
Dry, subservient to the system. It made me miss this podcast. They are changing to story now to suit a Trump administration when only a few weeks ago Fergusson was saying that he would return to the U.K. if Trump won. He must have got a small raise.
@@ExiledGypsy Trump is the West’s best hope for free speech and civil liberties…just saying.
I have a new favorite history podcast 👏
best opening laugh by Dominick..."That was George Armstrong Custer!" .😂😂.God almighty 😂😂😂"
Just because Custer was from southern Ohio doesn't mean he had an accent like Scarlett O'Hara's evil twin brother.
I love it when you guys "lose control of the narrative" - they're often the best bits (like Hugo giving us pages about the sewers of Paris in Les Mis)
My history professor would have loved this series. We spent a couple weeks on Custer as part of us history post civil war.
Great stuff.
I’m an American from the South (Louisiana), and I thoroughly enjoy your podcast.
What a line 'there's no way we can compete with this fella with a pipe', nearly choked on my tea.
Tom's accent at the start was moving around as quickly as the Sioux around Custer.
At points I wondered whether he was treading into leprechaun territory. (And I want to make clear: This is not a complaint on my part. I rather enjoyed the whole interpretive reading, as I'm enjoying the whole series.)
I thought Tom was doing a Quagmire impersonation!
I love the podcast, but the youtube version, with the cutaway to Dominic holding in laughter was just brilliant 😂
Well done and thanx again. Looking forward to the episode.Cheers!
Thank you, fabulous education and entertainment.
History podcasts that are stuffed with silly points are ten a penny. As yet there's only one that wants to mount a legendary allrounder.
I'd like to think Bloody Knife got his name from the frustration of it not being very good when he used it.
My heartiest congratulations on your series on the Little Bighorn and its surrounding geopolitics! You folks do a much better job of this than the vast majority of American chroniclers. Indeed, just yesterday a program came out on UA-cam called "Truth About George Armstrong Custer" and it was simply riddled with errors that were appalling for such a grandiose title, and which relied on terribly outdated source material. I can even recommend your series to citizens of the US who want to actually learn many of the verified facts about this famous event.
Not being American myself, but Canadian, I have been able to take a little more dispassionate view of the entire history of what happened and get down to the meat and bones of the entire affair. I suppose this is the puzzling aspect of it all. Some Americans get so frenzied about this battle that a high percentage would probably step into a time machine to go back and win the battle for the good guys. Poor educational standards and a misplaced patriotism seem to be the governing factors in much of this. 🤷♂
Amen.
Yes.
@ToddSuave No, most Americans would NOT agree with most Indian battles or the way it was handled then. Most Americans wish there had been a better way. I'm sure you as a Canadian feel bad for all the "Catholic schools" for native children where they were treated cruelly and the boys were buggered. So, yeah, there's that.
@@ellaw356 I'm not saying what you think I am. I am saying that many Americans I run into on these various Western forums have problems with losing the Battle of the Little Bighorn. That is not the majority of Americans, I would think, just the ones who can't stand losing at anything. You know the type. Some residential schools in Canada were bad alright. But some of our Indians say they got a very good education and were not molested at all, so it was a mixed bag like anything else.
@@ellaw356 I am not anti-American by the way. My grandfather was born in Illinois and came to Saskatchewan about 1910 with his father and the rest of the family for free farmland. There are millions of Western Canadians who are descended from Americans.
Love this podcast. Have you ever thought of doing one on Australia's Ned Kelly? You could bring in Peter Fitzsimmons as a guest.
Great introduction from stinky Pete 😂
Love you guys. This is great history.
1860 was the first recorded voice, so that actually could've been an accurate impression of Custer. If only he had been recorded.
Undoubtedly another certified hood classic
Tom thinks that all the frontiersman laughed like Roscoe P Coltrane from the Dukes of Hazard! I love the impressions that the English have of "Americans". Indeed, there are hundreds if not thousands of types of Americans. This is history and comedy all wrapped up together. "Jolly good, I tell you!" 😂🤣😂🤣😅
I love hearing limeys attempting to imitate us yanks X)
good god that opening. lord have mercy i love how it just keeps going.
Excellent series . Ref Custer's rank he is a substantive Lieutenant Colonel (i.e. his regular army rank) whilst army convention was to refer to an officer by his highest rank achieved, thus he is conventionally referred to as General Custer. Similar to this, Captain Frederick W. Benteen was referred to by his Civil War rank of Colonel....Just heard the section about his hair, he was losing it but had it cut short for the campaign....
Is there no end to Tom's talent as a voice over actor. I had no idea that General Custer came from the North of England. If you ever decided to tell the story of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Tom, Butch's family have said his voice sounded a lot like George Formby, if it helps. Though there is no truth to the rumour that after a successful train robbery he was once heard to say "It's turned out nice again."
I'm with you, big. I adore Tom and all these podcasts.
The Gabby Hayes impersonation aka "Frontiersman" blew me away. Thank you for the laughs--and the solid history lessons.
Loving this series!
I quite enjoy hearing a European or UK perspective on US history.
Guys.. you broke me up today.. Hilarious
Tom opens with his natural voice
One issue about the quality of the cavalry’s weaponry: the 1873 Springfield single-shot carbine was a fairly good weapon. But thanks to the poor quality ammunition provided by Grant’s very corrupt War Department, the weapons would frequently overheat and jam after firing a few shots because the substandard copper-jacketed cartridges would be distorted by the heat.
That was a wonderful opening read.
'Vibrant' is spot on!
Love Tom's accents.
37:08 We love you guys for who you are!!
I just love Tom’s opening dramatisation of Custer
Me too. I think it was spot on. It might have sounded funny to Dominic but if he had spent the time rehearsing it then I think it would be clear to him the jaunty nature of the speech pattern would elicit that kind of speaking tone and manner
Tom treats Custer like he's a clown in battle. I agree with him that Custers default setting was to be overly bold but you don't climb the ranks of the military as he did without having a measure of military acumen.
Great stuff , absolutely loving the period character impersonations , especially the prospector finding gold and Libbie Custer!!!
Curious thar Herman Goering would quote Grant and Sheridans 'language"towards the Indian question in his defence at Nuremburg much to the prosecutions dismay.
The generals knew eachother bc all Civil War era top brass, both sides, were West Point grads.
Frontiersman 😂😂😂😂 omg !!! That sound was coffee spitting hilarious!!!!!
I have no clue what species that accent was supposed to even represent.
Species? You did well to narrow it down that far.
Not upper midwest.
Superb
Best history cast out there.
First! Looking forward to this. Absolutely fantastic mini series.
In fact, Custer's men were surprising poorly armed - because of the army was underfunded and that was compounded by the corruption in the Department of War causing a lot money to go into pockets instead of going to support the army.
That laugh is pure Roscoe P Coltrane
"No-one studies that 1870s or 1880s anymore"
It's a shame because that was the time when America's economic and industrial might really began and continues to this day. You still see it in modern companies: Standard Oil > S.O. > Esso > ExxonMobil
Custer and others like him had experienced the planes and nature's savagery the way hunters and gatherer natives were born into. He understood that they were not in control the way the city dwellers imagine themselves to be.
So, he believed in destiny and knew that part of himself was tamed by civilization. The primal part of him had awakened in that environment.
His incapability to conform and his problems with gamboling and women are the symptoms of the uneasy conformity civilization dictates to all of us.
What do we do when we get away to the country for the weekend? We return to nature. Why are people suffering from anxiety and depression advised to get away?
So, what sounds paradoxical is perfectly understandable from a man like him. Why are prisons filled with men? It is a primal inheritance from the past that modern has had to set aside to fit into society. Male elephants spend most of their times away from females and children. Male Lion only just tolerates his own offspring.
Conrads into the darkness is the story of returning to savagery. The past persists for good or bad. Nature is amoral and indifferent to our social norms and them developments.
During Custer's suspension from the army he took a trip to Canada, in southern Ontario, with one of his "royal family" members WW Cooke, who was a Canadian and died with him on the Little Bighorn. Accompanied by the mayor of Detroit they went on a gambling and partying tour. I don't think his wife Libby went with him, so who knows what this crew got up to. 👀🤷♂😟
Scat! Tom enjoyed that
“It’s not all racism, to be fair…”😂
Ignore Dominic's sneering about fossils, loved your appearance on the Terrible Lizards podcast Tom : )
Imagine Buffalo Bill’s Flying Circus.
Sitting Bull zooming overhead on a cloud firing down with a banana bow shooting celery arrows.
Next to him his old friend called Sitting on a Cloud is telling him why their friend Fell of a Cloud isn’t there.
😃
You guys are great to watch and listen to.
I often wonder just what would have happened if the native Americans had decided to turn and put the attention on Reno and Benteen as they did to Custer and his companies. Could or would they have wiped them out as well and then what would have happened?? I feel the only way the military defeated the native Americans were to go in and slaughter the entire village, women,children ,elderly and whatever else was there.. I don't remember the military being victorious out in the open. Warfare was so different and the way military approached battle..our history would have been totally different i think.
Who knows, THE native Americans could still be roaming the black hills .. thanks guys.
Good American accent at the beginning pretty good. I’m a big history guy , you could maybe pass as somebody from Michigan
But in the 1870s, as far as I know, there were no American accents that were so pronounced. Tom gives an almost southern accent to Custer, which I suppose is from watching too many 20th century Western movies, LOL!
@@ToddSauveI have heard about Accents really forming up after the Civil War. I’ve found that people from Michigan tend to have a very neutral accent .
@@tomtaylor6163 I live in Calgary and I find that most Americans from the northern states sound virtually indistinguishable from Canadians. This is the accent that the media seem to try to implement across the continent.
@@ToddSauve The people I know from Michigan sound different from South And North Dakota.
@@tomtaylor6163 There can be a bit of a Western accent in the US, as well, so that may be it. Usually a good way to differentiate which side of the border a person is from is they will use "huh" or "eh," the former often signifying they are American and latter they are Canadian. There are exceptions to even this rule, however. 🤠
Here must be a super cut of all these amazing readings
Christmas quiz.
Guess the country, region, and maybe the individual for a bonus.
I believe the meeting with Grant was in the little known Wannsee Room at the White House
That made me think of the similarities between Custer and the man who Chaired the Wansee conference.
@@VaucluseVanguard Custer is more your Einsatzgruppe commander, like Otto Ohlendorf, who wound up on the gallows. Timing is everything
@@fastpublish True in practical terms. But I was thinking of personality and politics. Both Custer and Heydrich were flamboyant narcissists. Both believed they would go on to bigger things politically, and both engaged in genocide because they believed a group pf people were in the way of progress not because they had an especial hatred for the group concerned. While in Custer's case that was to some degree true because the Lakota were physically occupying the great planes, in Heydrich's case it was just delusional or perhaps a political convenience. He once said that if the Jews had not existed, the Nazi's would have had to invent them. To him, Nazism needed a race enemy and he did not particularly care who it was.
@@VaucluseVanguard They had some similarities but Heydrich was of a different order altogether. I cannot imagine Custer planning the systematic slaughter of 13 million people in gas chambers. Heydrich was a more intelligent man, too. Custers are reasonably common; Heydrichs are, thankfully, rare.
Sherman was quite into cultural suppression. His march through Georgia was horrifying and it seems he applied the same intentions to the indians. I always thought him to be a nasty piece of work and this information tends to confirm it. Very good history as always. Oh, every time Sheridan is mentioned I think of Hyacinth Bucket too, oh dear…
The quote you’ve read from Custer. I took it as he was looking at civilization in disdain and that what he was doing was on behalf of we the people in order to form a more perfect union yeah those people that’s what he meant, and he was doing his duty as the people saw fit for him to do it as any soldier would unfortunately, and I believe from what the gentleman read in a very unflattering way was sarcasm by General Custer so I thought the whole thing was seen well in advance of his time because today as we look on it, it was a genocide. It was what the Germans did to the Jews by stealing the land what the Jews did to the Palestinians by stealing the land the Americans stole the land , and concentrated the Indians on reservations minus the gas chambers in the showers. I don’t see a big difference between Nazi Germany and 19 century American politics concerning the Indian. It’s a travesty. It’s a tragedy.
Yeah but wouldn't the alternative be that the US would be right now in the same situation as Israel, constantly fighting Indian insurrections? LIsten to what the chieftains said about their plight, they knew very well they also stole (conquered) those lands or mountains from other tribes. Woe to the vanquished.
This begins with the most enthusiastically bad Ohio accent I've ever heard.
Indians had Henry rifles, 13 rounds fire in 30 secs repeating action. Cavalry had more accurate over distance carbines but they can only fire 4 rounds in 30 secs.
15:00 Interesting discussion of Darwin and the (then) new idea of natural selection/evolution. It perfectly played into and seemingly supported manifest destiny. Fast forward 50 or so years and another consequence was the eugenics movement.
Custer would not give two thoughts about his actions against Tribes, except for the opportunity for self glory.
Just like you giving no thought about commenting on a subject you have no knowledge of.
@@lddcavalryPerfectly stated!
I'm enjoying these shows, however, D&T do something in this series I've never seen anyone do; describe the Union in the civil war as opposed to White Supremacy.
Many abolitionists didn't want Africans to be brought to this country, that was the basis for their opposition to Slavery, not our modern warm fuzzy equality day dream.
That same Union army went out west and destroyed the Indians precisely for white supremacy, as would be described today.
Please justify the claim that the Union was opposed to White supremacy. No one from that period would say that.
This is the first moment in the series when our hosts’ Britishness is really an impediment. They seem to think that if the Plains Indians had just embraced farming they would have been accepted eventually along with the Irish and Italians. No flipping idea what a nightmare of an issue skin color has always been in the US. Even today Native Americans still face huge prejudice, in cities and reservation border towns alike.
“Whatever happens we have got, The maxim gun and they have not.”
Too early for Custer to have read? But then there’s “John” and his “Bunkie” and did “John” have better luck in the valley of the rosebud than in the Valley of the Rosebud?
The European chauvinism to the cultures they encountered is unjustifiable. It wasn't anything like these cultures to be assimilated into the European. You were at the right track at first: It's entirely about extermination. Sven Lindquist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is an essential book to understand the extend of that mentality.
50 million ounces of gold from the black hills.
Tom Holland is truly the man of 1000 voices
And a lot of the American ones are northern English 😃
Or the English in Ireland, Scotland and Wales
Boo hoo sucker.
Lt Col GA Custer had been breveted major general, Michigan volunteers during the Civil War, then busted down to his regular rank of ltc though was honorific ''general'' to accord his highest rank.
Not busted
Great episode, but if you want to know how Tom's American accent sounds to Americans, just think about how Dick Van Dyke's cockney accent sounds to Brits.
It’s hardly a Loire chateau
The native Indians to this day,( it seems to me) are on the fringes of modern society, neither living their traditional life, nor being fully integrated into modern society, living in a sort of nether world….
A for effort on your Southern accent. But it's misapplied. Custer wasn't a Southerner.
I'm so happy this show popped up on my homescreen. Great job.. one thing..If one looks at the relationships between European Settlers and Native Tribes, an honest investigation would include the opinions and history of minority tribes that allied with the Europeans. I have a cousin that is 1/2 Pima 1/2 Irish (Good looking guy). He schooled me from their perspective.
Custer fathered an illegitimate child by a Cheyenne woman. The Cheyenne knew this and therefore considered him a relative. It is believed that this was the reason his body was not mutilated after he was killed.
It’s thought to be his brother’s bc they shared her, as Custer was sterile from an old ghonorrea treatment. Perhaps they assumed it was his tho…
You two should watch the 6 episode "The English" w/Emily Blunt
Wot a cliffhanger
Colonial forces first were seen as the instrument of God's will. So darwinism is like a secular version of the same idea. The the invaders in whatever land were the sword of fate against the locals
The auto-tracking camera is annoying.
Tom, don't ever do that again.... LOL There are lt. colonels (not colonel lieutenants) in the US army. I've been to the Badlands and Black Hills twice. Just beautiful land....
Hmm, lieutenant colonel is an official rank in the US military and it certainly existed back in the 1870s because that is what Custer was. He had the rank of brevet brigadier general from the civil war but only lieutenant colonel in the peace time army.
It's very funny that the blokes cannot even comprehend the counter narrative as to why custer was a racist.
Tom Holland - master of voices
What in God's Holy Name is that accent the scrawny dude was doing?
New History subset - Comparative Genocide
Would love some podcasts on the history of Israel!
That was a frontiersman? It was closer to Monty Python's upper class twit.
Lt Colonel/Brevet Major General
Not exactly an Ohioan accent, but okay. The Canadians will be fine with it.
These two are clumsy at times and not always correct in their theorizing.
Hello, great series! But Dakota is not another pronunciation of Lakota. There were 3 tribes Dakota in Minnesota, Lakota in the west of the Dakotas, Wyoming etc. and the Nakota, the smallest group on the Missouri bewtween the Mandan and the Arikaras.
Custer went looking for something ..... found a lot of somethings.....glory hunter...murderer...adultery....some hero!
You guys r wonderful, but a correction: Kentucky was a Union state. Indeed, keeping it Union was key to Lincoln's early war policies ("I pray that god is on our side, but we must have Kentucky")
I'm Lakota and we have always been here...don't believe all the history written. We the Lakota have always been here thousands of years
The Crow People disagree.
@@DriveByShouting yea lol they always gonna disagree but I'm a new modern day Lakota who is still very much into the ways...i believe we r fighting for the black hills not only for our tribe bit for all tribes now
If you mean North America...I agree. But if you mean the Black Hills...you are speaking with forked tongue! BTW...what were the Lakota doing trespassing on Crow reservation land in the valley of the Little Big Horn in 1876???
@@Master...deBater it's always been Lakota land we came from underground. Do you actually believe that false story that the crow where there first 😂 your not as educated as you would like to think huh. The crow and other tribes knew that was our land the paha sapa that's y during the treaties the crow or any other tribe didnt argue about what part of the land they get. We was always here my boy.
@@CinRife Lol...now that's funny! You must be the official tribal jester!
The accents are getting worse.....perhaps better to underplay rather than go over the top
No we love it!
Your history is wrong. The Indians were better armed with repeating rifles. Of course, it wasn't uniform, but overall they possessed better, more modern weapons. The banter is entertaining but some of your factual assumptions and statements fall short, don't they, what?
WTF was that accent
Find it interesting them talking about wiping out the native Americans as survival of the fittest. Hitler had this mindset too, in his view of wiping out the slav population, that it was just that Germans were a superior race and it was the way of things.
My question is, where did this mindset go. Because that view is very primitive and connected to nature in a way. I think we may be losing our connection with nature in a way, in the developed countries of the world at least
So drawn out
Why did you have Crazy Horse name in this when you both spend very little time talking about him sorry but its all about Custer and no more accents I was interseted because of crazy horse but poor show
The title refers to the 8 episode series which this episode is part of. Highly recommend checking out the other episodes where they cover Crazy Horse in detail!