This is the best podcast out there. I recommend it to everyone I know. They cover great topics & have great chemistry - I love when they crack eachother up. Keep it up boys!
A great series. I may be one of the few listeners for whom the tune 'Gary Owen' becomes an earworm when it is mentioned. These stories were part of my youth. I grew up outside of Sturgis SD and Fort Meade. The 7th Calvary was located there after the experiences of the Little Big Horn. My dad wrote a history of the Fort and several relating to the Black Hills. One of the few vacations I remember as a family took us to the battlefield. Dad became a friend of the last surviving Lakota participant of the Little Big Horn and the Wounded Knee Massacre, Dewey Beard (1858-1955).
I know you guys kept joking about the fact there were numerous episodes, but here to say I really couldn’t get enough and it flew by!! Binged all of the series and every minute was fantastic, thank you for going so in depth on such a fascinating topic!
Guys, Custer has been one of my two Heroes since I was a small child. Stories told to me by my dad. You have made an old man happy. Outstanding stuff guys. Actually you both together areva kind of historical magic. Respect
It's marvelous to listen to Brits get excited about American history. And kindly so! No real patronizing. Makes me want to buy them dinner at a Wyoming steakhouse. (says an American)
Or more appropriately over a juicy ribeye at Delmonico's Grill in Rapid City. I'm from California, and just got back from from a 5nights/6days vacation in the Black Hills/Badlands and the surrounding areas. We had an amazing time and I highly recommend it for a short visit.
You guys are brilliant! Sometimes I lose track of the subject matter (I'm a bit thick) but the banter and the way you interact is hilarious and very entertaining! Thank you.
Am wondering why there hasn't been a podcast for some weeks now. Could someone please advise. Am missing the rest is history very much. The best podcasts on the internet without doubt.
@@KOTRT777 Thank you so much for your advice. It is most appreciated. I am not on Spotify but I have discovered I can listen to The Rest is History for free on Spotify but am unable to fast forward or fast backwards which is a nuisance. I would prefer Apple Podcasts but for some reason it won't open the app so I will have to contact Apple Support on this one. But we'll get there. Many thanks once again.
I finished episodes 5 and 6 this weekend and was wondering the same thing, but wait no more my friend. It was uploaded this morning. ua-cam.com/video/2ltNRMZfw9A/v-deo.htmlsi=OSawppXWAlnj6s6o
These episodes as well as the American Civil War series have been so fascinating and entertaining. I wholly appreciate the knowledge and work undertaken to present them. Just amazing job done and has inspired me to buy some books on C19 US history. This must be the first time battles and their aftermath were photographed, which adds to interest.
I was educated in public school in the 60’s and was taught the names of all Indian tribes. The Indian tribe named Nez Purse is pronounced Nezzz Purse like a ladies bag a purse. I found your series quite exceptional! Very good.
Great series, as is the others I’ve watched. Listening to the banter between our awesome hosts has me laughing throughout. Keep it up. Custer was a Brevet Major General, basically being called general in name only while maintaining a lower pay grade. He was a Lieutenant Colonel. He was consistently being passed over for promotion which made him a little disgruntled. At least that was portrayed some in “Son of the Morning Star.”
Great podcast! Would love for you guys to cover some Israeli history, there's a lot of topics that seem perfect for this show - You could probably get a few episodes out of the Lavon affair alone!
General Crook like Custer fought his battle while seeking to get to the Indian village. He also divided his command, staying with the initial combat but sending away half his force to attack the village and capture the noncombatants. When things turned bad, he recalled the detached force and they reunited with the command. If he had accompanied the detached group, the battle could have ended like Custer fight with one part destroyed and the other intact. The key tactics of moving quickly on the village noncombatants and letting part of the command fight the warriors were the same for Crook and Custer.
Crook never got anywhere near the village that entire summer. He was camped by the Rosebud when the warriors surprised him. Crook was just fortunate that he'd sent out a force of scouts and troopers on a recon mission. They heard the battle and rushed back in time to save Crook's bacon. Then Crook stopped and took a few weeks off for hunting and fishing while waiting to be resupplied instead of trying to contact the other columns. Sheridan placed much of the blame for subsequent events on Crook's inaction but Crook was too politically connected to punish.
There are a number of good books and articles on the Rosebud fight. You may wish to read them. Crook had located the camp, left his supplies behind and made a night march to get close. He detached half his command to attack the village 2 hours into his fight.
Custer was no fool. He was a very effective Civil War general and a nationally known figure. Custer attacked. He was aggressive. He was fearless. That's what brought him success. He was the Patton of his time. Great on the battlefield but a lousy administrator and a prima donna. When Custer separated from Terry and Gibbon's column it was for him to attack. As the 7th passed in review Gibbon called out to Custer to save some Indians for them. Custer replied that he wouldn't and everyone had a good laugh.
If they are conquerors than they should understand being conquered. It was inevitable. I have ro say that we were more merciful conquerors than they were. They are still here. Most conquerors dont tolerate the continued presence of those they conquer. So when all is said and done, we did better by them than they should have hoped to expect.
According to Philbrick's "The Last Stand", Custer spoke in rapid fire bursts almost impossible to understand. He may have suffered from what is these days described as 'cluttering'.
Also described in several books and confirmed by the note to benteen by a subordinate. He knew his message was hard to understand so scribbled a note for the immigrant messenger because his English wasn't that great
One thing I have learned from these podcasts, is how core values of the Republicans and Democrats were the total opposite of what we experience in modern day politics.
Yes, but the core values of conservatives and liberals are pretty much the same so maybe ideology, rather than party name, is a better way to describe them.
If you have never been to greasy grass battlefield I suggest that you go and you'll see the same thing that I saw nothing there's nothing there it's the most desolate place in the world why would anybody want tt fight a battle there 😮
Custer’s dogs were left, with the pack train, in the care of his striker, John Burkman. There has been discussion that some dog, a bulldog, I believe, went with the 7th. No one seems to know if that is fact or who’s dog it might have been.
FYI Custer did have recon...his crow scouts told him from the "crows nest." Custer also saw the size of the village and even described it as a "big village" in his note to Benteen. Custers assesment of this information is what is questionable.
Meanwhile literally a few years later the british empire were about ta have their own 'little bighorn' in south africa in the form of isandalwana in our trumped up war against the zulu peoples!😔
The Zulus were latecomers to the land, genociding the weaker tribes already occupying. Same with the native Americans. With stronger, aggressive tribes like the Sioux enslaving, killing weaker tribes. Why do you think so many Arikara, Crow and others joined the US army as Scouts.
The character of the natives of America was absorbed into the character of all Americans. That mystical, mysterious soul is now a part of all of us as is the ruthless strength. Truthfully, a great many of us are part native American. I love your podcasts and watch them all, enthralled with your knowledge and witty banter. But, you never fail to not-quite-understand the American character. Maybe it's too much to expect from Europeans.
Given how very little Americans know about Europe and pretty much any of the world outside of their American bubble, I don't think Americans are the ones to comment on other countries 'not quite understanding' theirs!
"Mystical soul"."Ruthless strength". These are just stereotypes. Native Americans are and have always been as "mystical" and "ruthless" as any other people.
@@IronySpidery I suggest reading Pulitzer Prize finalist "Empire of the Sun" by S.C. Gwynne and the classic "Goodbye to a River" by John Graves. Beautifully written authentic descriptions of native Americans.
Have a look at the 7th cavalry inventory that sets out the name, nationality, age and background of the soldiers who went on the 1876 campaign. Many were European, with little battle experience, unlikely to speak much English. Mental disintegration is the obvious cause of the destruction at Little Big Horn
You guys left out that Custer had one of the highest desertion rates, he showed little concern for the health and welfare of his men, he used his Indian scouts to track down soldiers who deserted and he had them shot without a trial!
For all his faults Custer is one of a few commanders that could get close enough to an indian village to actually threaten it. Crook never got close to the village.
💯- and his contemporaries knew it too. That’s why he was given the assignment. After the “blunder” the high command claimed Custer was ordered not to go in alone with the 7th, but it is clear that the 7th was intended as the mobile strike-force of the combined column. They all knew Custer was the only one who could successfully lead it into the village. Gibbon and Reno both had already failed, and Terry wasn’t even going to try. If Terry had kept Custer close to the other units, Terry would at best have been stymied in the same way as Crook. A decisive engagement was only possible by the strategy adopted. It wasn’t Custer’s fault that the Lakota were too powerful to be overwhelmed, and too experienced to be over-awed by Custer’s available forces and tactics. About the only thing Custer did wrong was being grossly outnumbered and going in anyway. I’ve wargamed it mentally for 40 years, and I don’t see a way for the 1876 campaign to have been a success. In the end, the “blunder” was the ultimate success for the U.S., as the resulting massacre inflamed passions among the white population of the country, and laid the foundation for total war. Living in the Dakotas for much of my life, I get the distinct feeling that the last chapter of the conflict has yet to be written.
I would guess the victory against Crook a few days earlier gave the Sioux a positive boost of morale and the determination to finish the job, so to speak? 👍
@GeographyCzar war game this in your head. Assume Benteen actually wanted to help the Custer Battalion. He could have added the escort company to his battalion, leave the baggage train detail to assist Reno in establishing a defense, and retrace Renos initial attack route. The renewed attack would have taken advantage the withdrawal of most warriors who went to repel the custer advance. Benteen would threaten the village anew and draw off pressure on Custer, cause confusion among the tribes and perhaps cause them to scatter. Not exactly the objective of the campaign but at least it could continue, the battle would be considered a draw.
“ There’s gold in them there podcasts ! “ Amongst “Grants intimates” I’m surprised there wasn’t anyone bidding for the film rights ….. Question : is Tom wearing tight buckskin trousers ?
Custer divided his command; consequently his 7th Cavalry immediate company found itself pinned down by Sioux, Cheyenne, Arapaho mounted warriors at Last Stand Hill. The actual last stand lasted thirty minutes to three quarters hour length.
Custer found himself overwhelmed because Reno and Benteen basically took themselves out of the fight. Reno may have been able to justify halting his charge into the village if he had held his position in the timber, where the cavalry's rifles gave them the advantage, and kept a significant number of warriors engaged with him. Instead, Reno panicked and ran, losing a significant portion of his command and freeing up the warriors to focus on Custer. There is no excuse for Benteen's actions. He received specific orders to move to Custer and he didn't. Benteen slow-walked his approach because he thought the battle was over and they'd won, having heard the gunfire from Reno's valley fight.
@@MJ-we9vu Custer elected initial division; whereas subsequent subordinates exercised independence. However, Custer remains the cause for dispersal concentrated force.
The usual BS about the uniform nature of Native Americans. These tribes didn't see themselves as a single people. They fought each other for land and property. Stealing from each other was part and parcel of their social structure. Mistreatment of captives was part of most of the cultures, as was the mutilating of the death which weakened them in the after life. Please learn about the people you are talking about.
I'm sioux myself. The hates still strong over 100 years later. Crow are often laughed at at social events still. I will even go as far as to say the black hills weren't even part of the lakotas territory until pushed there by the white man. At which point we pushed the other tribes west for the better territory 😂😂the amount of uneducated Indians that like to claim it as a spiritual place where we walked fro. Wind cave always cracks me tf uo
Alfred Terry, the "desk general": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Terry#Civil_War Nothing like hearing these judgements from a pair who look and sound like they'd need help opening a bag of crisps.
I thought the American tradition is to use surnames as Christian names rather than Christian names as surnames so terry isn’t really that American. I think the ideal Christian name for such people should be the same as their surname. It would make for a more memorable name. Who could ever forget someone called terry terry for instance
Sounds like a long winded podcast that doesn't say anything really - Newspapers of that era were for months running stories telling how Sitting Bull said "I have 8000 warriors and if the army comes near me we will fight " the abandoned Indian camp had some 800 fires counted " Custer knew exactly how big that Indian village was - Custer marched his men 78 miles in 24hours and took them straight into Battle- When Custer showed his presence at the River the Indians swarmed into action and 4 Indian chiefs give a time of 20-35 minutes it took to annihilate Custer and all that were on that portion of the Battle field - The Indians could have easily wiped out Reno/Benteen but Sitting Bull said "We have killed some soldiers let the others go " so Reno/Benteen was harassed until camp was moved ---
At 8:02 you are rewriting history. You guys are not historians at all and obviously have a political bent. Facts are facts gentlemen. In point of fact, young warriors in war tribes all raided ( steeling horses, women, children ). It is how the young warrior tribe Indians became men and respected in the tribe. All Indians were not as warlike as the Lakota, Apache and Comanche. There were Indians that actually liked trade with the new civilization and could refrain from stealing and murdering such as the Crow who hated the aggressive Sioux. Politicians in the East were not trying to rid the west of Indians as you seam to believe. They were trying to rid the problem of “hostile”Indians and they succeeded. Very similar to murderous gangs in cities today.
This is the best podcast out there. I recommend it to everyone I know. They cover great topics & have great chemistry - I love when they crack eachother up. Keep it up boys!
I can't believe I only came across it this week. Superb stuff.
It is very good. I just found it myself a few weeks ago
@@sundaynight1987You have quite a bit of catching up to do my friend! Enjoy!
Must be the way the logarithms work as I watch tonnes of history videos, many with topics they cover but they never appeared in my feed.
Couldn’t agree more
A great series. I may be one of the few listeners for whom the tune 'Gary Owen' becomes an earworm when it is mentioned. These stories were part of my youth. I grew up outside of Sturgis SD and Fort Meade. The 7th Calvary was located there after the experiences of the Little Big Horn. My dad wrote a history of the Fort and several relating to the Black Hills. One of the few vacations I remember as a family took us to the battlefield. Dad became a friend of the last surviving Lakota participant of the Little Big Horn and the Wounded Knee Massacre, Dewey Beard (1858-1955).
I know you guys kept joking about the fact there were numerous episodes, but here to say I really couldn’t get enough and it flew by!! Binged all of the series and every minute was fantastic, thank you for going so in depth on such a fascinating topic!
Guys, Custer has been one of my two Heroes since I was a small child. Stories told to me by my dad. You have made an old man happy.
Outstanding stuff guys. Actually you both together areva kind of historical magic. Respect
Another great series from The Rest is History! I love the history and people of the American Civil War and The Wild West.
It's marvelous to listen to Brits get excited about American history. And kindly so! No real patronizing. Makes me want to buy them dinner at a Wyoming steakhouse. (says an American)
Or more appropriately over a juicy ribeye at Delmonico's Grill in Rapid City. I'm from California, and just got back from from a 5nights/6days vacation in the Black Hills/Badlands and the surrounding areas. We had an amazing time and I highly recommend it for a short visit.
As a Brit I love the Bighorn stuff . Whether there's the population in Az to warrant a steak house , I dunno .!
Yes I my self am interest in American history especially this period and a bit earlier 😊
count me in.
The previous Custer episodes were great. But, this is the one I've been waiting for.
Cheers
You guys make history seem less like a boring lecture and more like a fun conversation/discussion, love it
Twee middle class version
Truly this series is your finest hour lads.... Bravo.... Hoka Hey
You guys are brilliant! Sometimes I lose track of the subject matter (I'm a bit thick) but the banter and the way you interact is hilarious and very entertaining! Thank you.
So very pleased this is in as many parts, and as in-depth, as it is!
Me too! Covered the American west back in school and loved it so much, it’s been fantastic revisiting it in so much depth!
This is beyond compare. The very best . Thank you much.
There MAY be some Americans listening to this???
Aside from y'all's silly accents, this is the best bloody podcast in the good ol!
British accents over American accents always
Love this podcast! Y’all are awesome
Am wondering why there hasn't been a podcast for some weeks now. Could someone please advise. Am missing the rest is history very much. The best podcasts on the internet without doubt.
They have new episodes on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. I'm not sure why they've stopped uploading to UA-cam.
@@KOTRT777 Thank you so much for your advice. It is most appreciated. I am not on Spotify but I have discovered I can listen to The Rest is History for free on Spotify but am unable to fast forward or fast backwards which is a nuisance. I would prefer Apple Podcasts but for some reason it won't open the app so I will have to contact Apple Support on this one. But we'll get there. Many thanks once again.
Where are the latest episodes? Is there normally a lengthy delay or are these no longer being uploaded to UA-cam?
Where is part 7!!!!!!!!
You can get it on spotify but theres no video
exactly my question, I have been waiting for part 7
@@scottstevens9533 where did I hear that
I finished episodes 5 and 6 this weekend and was wondering the same thing, but wait no more my friend. It was uploaded this morning.
ua-cam.com/video/2ltNRMZfw9A/v-deo.htmlsi=OSawppXWAlnj6s6o
These episodes as well as the American Civil War series have been so fascinating and entertaining. I wholly appreciate the knowledge and work undertaken to present them. Just amazing job done and has inspired me to buy some books on C19 US history. This must be the first time battles and their aftermath were photographed, which adds to interest.
Please do more multiple episode subjects like this. Very in depth
Brilliant series
The multi part series are so good 😊
I was educated in public school in the 60’s and was taught the names of all Indian tribes. The Indian tribe named Nez Purse is pronounced Nezzz Purse like a ladies bag a purse. I found your series quite exceptional! Very good.
Isn't it "Nez Perce "...accent on last :e ? Pierced noses in French ?
Brilliant, entertaining and informative. Thanks.
I first came here for the history, but it's the football references that keep me coming back! I must be the sweet-spot in your Venn diagram!
Where is the big finale, the actual "Last Stand" 🤔
Please please continue. disregard the naysayers in the comments. I hope you push through this, its a great podcast that i love listening to.
Great series, as is the others I’ve watched. Listening to the banter between our awesome hosts has me laughing throughout. Keep it up. Custer was a Brevet Major General, basically being called general in name only while maintaining a lower pay grade. He was a Lieutenant Colonel. He was consistently being passed over for promotion which made him a little disgruntled. At least that was portrayed some in “Son of the Morning Star.”
Fantastic work guys , only criticism is a few maps would have been helpful for this particular story . Keep up the terrific work
Who needs a 5 hour Dan Carlin podcast when you’ve got this!
The first minute of this video is some of the most prominent and profound literature in the history of mankind
When will we get the final episode of this series? You got me hooked and now I need to know!
There’s 2 more episodes on apple podcast app
Great podcast! Would love for you guys to cover some Israeli history, there's a lot of topics that seem perfect for this show - You could probably get a few episodes out of the Lavon affair alone!
So, will there be a 7th part? the battle itself?f
Will they release more episodes on UA-cam?
Are we getting the final part any time soon?
General Crook like Custer fought his battle while seeking to get to the Indian village. He also divided his command, staying with the initial combat but sending away half his force to attack the village and capture the noncombatants. When things turned bad, he recalled the detached force and they reunited with the command. If he had accompanied the detached group, the battle could have ended like Custer fight with one part destroyed and the other intact. The key tactics of moving quickly on the village noncombatants and letting part of the command fight the warriors were the same for Crook and Custer.
Crook never got anywhere near the village that entire summer. He was camped by the Rosebud when the warriors surprised him. Crook was just fortunate that he'd sent out a force of scouts and troopers on a recon mission. They heard the battle and rushed back in time to save Crook's bacon. Then Crook stopped and took a few weeks off for hunting and fishing while waiting to be resupplied instead of trying to contact the other columns. Sheridan placed much of the blame for subsequent events on Crook's inaction but Crook was too politically connected to punish.
There are a number of good books and articles on the Rosebud fight. You may wish to read them. Crook had located the camp, left his supplies behind and made a night march to get close. He detached half his command to attack the village 2 hours into his fight.
No fan of Boris Johnson but I can see parallels with him and Custer. Charisma allowed many people to forgive their obvious shortcomings.
I was also thinking this. And that sort of foolish, enthusiasm and sense of “fun” contributing to allowing them to be more liked than is warranted
😂😂
Custer was no fool. He was a very effective Civil War general and a nationally known figure. Custer attacked. He was aggressive. He was fearless. That's what brought him success. He was the Patton of his time. Great on the battlefield but a lousy administrator and a prima donna. When Custer separated from Terry and Gibbon's column it was for him to attack. As the 7th passed in review Gibbon called out to Custer to save some Indians for them. Custer replied that he wouldn't and everyone had a good laugh.
Y’all are having way too much fun!
Insightful as usual.
I love this podcast.
I was so surprised that Tom and Dominic brought up the fact John Terry is still known as a FKW 13 years after that famous photograph 🤣
You guys could tell the Alamo story like no one else. Please consider.
Where is the final episode?
If they are conquerors than they should understand being conquered. It was inevitable. I have ro say that we were more merciful conquerors than they were. They are still here. Most conquerors dont tolerate the continued presence of those they conquer. So when all is said and done, we did better by them than they should have hoped to expect.
I like how soft and supple you read Libby Custers letter 😂😭
The question is, should Reno and Bentein have gone to Custers aid .
They were responsible for the disaster.
Part 7?
Apple Podcasts.
According to Philbrick's "The Last Stand", Custer spoke in rapid fire bursts almost impossible to understand. He may have suffered from what is these days described as 'cluttering'.
Also described in several books and confirmed by the note to benteen by a subordinate. He knew his message was hard to understand so scribbled a note for the immigrant messenger because his English wasn't that great
I always found it interesting the Battle of Isandlwana was only a few years after this.
My history classes were never like this…
How to find pts.1 to 7 ? Pleeeeezzze!
One thing I have learned from these podcasts, is how core values of the Republicans and Democrats were the total opposite of what we experience in modern day politics.
Yes, but the core values of conservatives and liberals are pretty much the same so maybe ideology, rather than party name, is a better way to describe them.
Maybe it's the start of the uniparty...centered on money and power.
If you have never been to greasy grass battlefield I suggest that you go and you'll see the same thing that I saw nothing there's nothing there it's the most desolate place in the world why would anybody want tt fight a battle there 😮
Please can you do a series on the Lewis and Clark expedition
Would also like to see what they could do with Lewis and Clark.
Wild West Extravaganza did a really good series on them not long ago. Would recommend.
@@dorothyblair6741 Do you have the link to this Podcast?
@@jacobwilkinson1390
YT link to first video in the series.ua-cam.com/video/AErFjqZHX38/v-deo.htmlsi=sjYQo_DPyTOLryid
I know a 7th Cav Horse survived the battle. But what about Custers Dogs?
Custer’s dogs were left, with the pack train, in the care of his striker, John Burkman. There has been discussion that some dog, a bulldog, I believe, went with the 7th. No one seems to know if that is fact or who’s dog it might have been.
I love how caught up they get with General Terry 🤣 im english and only vaguely know what they are on about with terry and june!
General Terry was a lawyer by profession
FYI Custer did have recon...his crow scouts told him from the "crows nest." Custer also saw the size of the village and even described it as a "big village" in his note to Benteen. Custers assesment of this information is what is questionable.
APPARENTLY CUSTER'S LAST WORDS WERE: "DID WE TURN OFF THE OVEN?"
So are you guys going across to yt music? If you dont post here or there im going to lose you guys because i dont use spotify or crapple.
Meanwhile literally a few years later the british empire were about ta have their own 'little bighorn' in south africa in the form of isandalwana in our trumped up war against the zulu peoples!😔
And your point is?
The Zulus were latecomers to the land, genociding the weaker tribes already occupying. Same with the native Americans. With stronger, aggressive tribes like the Sioux enslaving, killing weaker tribes. Why do you think so many Arikara, Crow and others joined the US army as Scouts.
The character of the natives of America was absorbed into the character of all Americans. That mystical, mysterious soul is now a part of all of us as is the ruthless strength. Truthfully, a great many of us are part native American. I love your podcasts and watch them all, enthralled with your knowledge and witty banter. But, you never fail to not-quite-understand the American character. Maybe it's too much to expect from Europeans.
Given how very little Americans know about Europe and pretty much any of the world outside of their American bubble, I don't think Americans are the ones to comment on other countries 'not quite understanding' theirs!
"Mystical soul"."Ruthless strength". These are just stereotypes. Native Americans are and have always been as "mystical" and "ruthless" as any other people.
@@2tr6dinquwjos Case in point.
@@IronySpidery I suggest reading Pulitzer Prize finalist "Empire of the Sun" by S.C. Gwynne and the classic "Goodbye to a River" by John Graves. Beautifully written authentic descriptions of native Americans.
Sorry, I meant "Empire of the Summer Moon."
Have a look at the 7th cavalry inventory that sets out the name, nationality, age and background of the soldiers who went on the 1876 campaign. Many were European, with little battle experience, unlikely to speak much English. Mental disintegration is the obvious cause of the destruction at Little Big Horn
You guys left out that Custer had one of the highest desertion rates, he showed little concern for the health and welfare of his men, he used his Indian scouts to track down soldiers who deserted and he had them shot without a trial!
For all his faults Custer is one of a few commanders that could get close enough to an indian village to actually threaten it. Crook never got close to the village.
💯- and his contemporaries knew it too. That’s why he was given the assignment. After the “blunder” the high command claimed Custer was ordered not to go in alone with the 7th, but it is clear that the 7th was intended as the mobile strike-force of the combined column. They all knew Custer was the only one who could successfully lead it into the village. Gibbon and Reno both had already failed, and Terry wasn’t even going to try. If Terry had kept Custer close to the other units, Terry would at best have been stymied in the same way as Crook. A decisive engagement was only possible by the strategy adopted. It wasn’t Custer’s fault that the Lakota were too powerful to be overwhelmed, and too experienced to be over-awed by Custer’s available forces and tactics. About the only thing Custer did wrong was being grossly outnumbered and going in anyway. I’ve wargamed it mentally for 40 years, and I don’t see a way for the 1876 campaign to have been a success. In the end, the “blunder” was the ultimate success for the U.S., as the resulting massacre inflamed passions among the white population of the country, and laid the foundation for total war. Living in the Dakotas for much of my life, I get the distinct feeling that the last chapter of the conflict has yet to be written.
I would guess the victory against Crook a few days earlier gave the Sioux a positive boost of morale and the determination to finish the job, so to speak? 👍
@GeographyCzar war game this in your head. Assume Benteen actually wanted to help the Custer Battalion. He could have added the escort company to his battalion, leave the baggage train detail to assist Reno in establishing a defense, and retrace Renos initial attack route. The renewed attack would have taken advantage the withdrawal of most warriors who went to repel the custer advance. Benteen would threaten the village anew and draw off pressure on Custer, cause confusion among the tribes and perhaps cause them to scatter. Not exactly the objective of the campaign but at least it could continue, the battle would be considered a draw.
I do all my pod listening sped up in Overcast, so when I hear Tom and Dominic speaking at normal speed, they sound high as a f*cking kite.
American hubris is in play here.
Some maps and other visual representations would have been useful for the audience.
www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/educational-services/staff-rides/atlas-of-the-sioux-wars-second-edition.pdf
lot of UM's from Holland.
an otherwise wonderful episode
Indians wore buckskin....there must be something to it that was comfortable.
‘The Charge of the 7th Cavalry’ should have been part 7…
Losing this battle gave him more glory than he could ever get by winning. If he won, nobody would remember his name.
So no one’s ever heard of Sheridan and Sherman? He was one of most famous man at the time .
@@lddcavalry My mum doesn’t know those guys, but she knows about Custer
Im curious, was general crook told to hang custer out to dry...?
“ There’s gold in them there podcasts ! “ Amongst “Grants intimates” I’m surprised there wasn’t anyone bidding for the film rights …..
Question : is Tom wearing tight buckskin trousers ?
Custer divided his command; consequently his 7th Cavalry immediate company found itself pinned down by Sioux, Cheyenne, Arapaho mounted warriors at Last Stand Hill. The actual last stand lasted thirty minutes to three quarters hour length.
Custer found himself overwhelmed because Reno and Benteen basically took themselves out of the fight. Reno may have been able to justify halting his charge into the village if he had held his position in the timber, where the cavalry's rifles gave them the advantage, and kept a significant number of warriors engaged with him. Instead, Reno panicked and ran, losing a significant portion of his command and freeing up the warriors to focus on Custer. There is no excuse for Benteen's actions. He received specific orders to move to Custer and he didn't. Benteen slow-walked his approach because he thought the battle was over and they'd won, having heard the gunfire from Reno's valley fight.
@@MJ-we9vu Custer elected initial division; whereas subsequent subordinates exercised independence. However, Custer remains the cause for dispersal concentrated force.
At least Custer is not reasonable for starting this war.
Col. Benteen Saved the seventh. Reno saved his command (drunk). Custer got stuck on a hill.
Benteen caused the disaster.
BEAM ME UP, SCOTTY
The usual BS about the uniform nature of Native Americans. These tribes didn't see themselves as a single people. They fought each other for land and property. Stealing from each other was part and parcel of their social structure. Mistreatment of captives was part of most of the cultures, as was the mutilating of the death which weakened them in the after life. Please learn about the people you are talking about.
These are woke educated commentators so it’s not surprising.
I'm sioux myself. The hates still strong over 100 years later. Crow are often laughed at at social events still. I will even go as far as to say the black hills weren't even part of the lakotas territory until pushed there by the white man. At which point we pushed the other tribes west for the better territory 😂😂the amount of uneducated Indians that like to claim it as a spiritual place where we walked fro. Wind cave always cracks me tf uo
They did actually address these points in more than one of the previous episodes
@@dorothyblair6741 The problem is if you see only this one those points aren't evident. This gives a false impression.
@@arthurmosel808then listen to the series before commenting
THE OVEN, THE OVEN, OF COURSE HE WAS PREOCCUPIED
HUBRIS!
The Rest is Lame until they fix the youtube feed
Alfred Terry, the "desk general":
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Terry#Civil_War
Nothing like hearing these judgements from a pair who look and sound like they'd need help opening a bag of crisps.
I thought the American tradition is to use surnames as Christian names rather than Christian names as surnames so terry isn’t really that American. I think the ideal Christian name for such people should be the same as their surname. It would make for a more memorable name. Who could ever forget someone called terry terry for instance
Anyone know the joke about Custers last stand?
A Lakota, a Cheyenne and Major Reno walk into a bar...
Like ... Custer was going to surround all those redskins ... lol
Conquest. extermination, enslavement, the summation of human history!
AFTER TOM'S READING OF THAT LAST LETTER I'M BEGINNING TO WONDER WHETHER CUSTER DIDN'T COMMIT SUICIDE ...
He didn't.
Sounds like a long winded podcast that doesn't say anything really - Newspapers of that era were for months running stories telling how Sitting Bull said "I have 8000 warriors and if the army comes near me we will fight " the abandoned Indian camp had some 800 fires counted " Custer knew exactly how big that Indian village was - Custer marched his men 78 miles in 24hours and took them straight into Battle- When Custer showed his presence at the River the Indians swarmed into action and 4 Indian chiefs give a time of 20-35 minutes it took to annihilate Custer and all that were on that portion of the Battle field - The Indians could have easily wiped out Reno/Benteen but Sitting Bull said "We have killed some soldiers let the others go " so Reno/Benteen was harassed until camp was moved ---
When you start modern moralizing history you are no longer telling history.
Clickbait!
Yet another episode after this..
It's obvious that these blokes spent about 15 minutes on research ! Totally clueless as to actual facts of the battle !
At 8:02 you are rewriting history. You guys are not historians at all and obviously have a political bent. Facts are facts gentlemen. In point of fact, young warriors in war tribes all raided ( steeling horses, women, children ). It is how the young warrior tribe Indians became men and respected in the tribe.
All Indians were not as warlike as the Lakota, Apache and Comanche.
There were Indians that actually liked trade with the new civilization and could refrain from stealing and murdering such as the Crow who hated the aggressive Sioux.
Politicians in the East were not trying to rid the west of Indians as you seam to believe. They were trying to rid the problem of “hostile”Indians and they succeeded. Very similar to murderous gangs in cities today.
John Terry whahaha
The only indiginous people are Adam and Eve.
Tom would be no good as the Dame in a panto.... that impression of Mrs Custer...... baginas! not great Tom!
Spoiling us.
Your American audience is used to you talking nonsense.
😂
GENERAL TERRY'S CHRISTIAN NAME WAS ALFRED - SO HE WAS ALF TERRY
I wonder how many episodes WITHOUT the witty asides and superior laughing at everyone??
Other podcasts are available. I suggest you try one of those.
The Brit’s sound snot but lack knowledge other than the same fraction of facts that’s been circulating. They do not read old books. Waste of time.
Why is your malfunction? Why would you waste your time just to make a snarky comment? Where’s your UA-cam channel where you “ correct” the record?
@@carlosdanger947 MYOB
Garbage