Fatal1ty vs Makaveli - CPL Razer 2000 Quake3 Winners Bracket and Grand Final - Duel 4k60
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2020
- This is the Winners Bracket and the Grand Final of the CPL / Rezer Quake3 Tournament from 2000, held in Dallas, Texas.
The finalists are Johnathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel (USA) and Victor "Makaveli" Cuadra (USA).
The tournament format was BO1 (Best of One)
Tournament date: 13.04.2000 - 16.04.2000
I decide to merge the Winners-Bracket Final and the Grand Final in to one video, because the same two players are in both of them.
The maps that where played are:
1). 0:34 Winners-Bracket Final - Map: Q3DM6 (The Campgrounds)
2). 15:53 Grand Final - Map: Q3DM13 (Lost World)
Here are the demos sources
WB Final Map dm6: www.esreality.com/post/869125/...
Grand Final Map dm13: www.esreality.com/post/869127/...
(Both demo versions are "dm_48")
I converted the old dm_48 demos in to the newer dm_68 format, so that the two demos could be played back in to the latest version of Q3 v1.32 + CMPA.
Here is the download link to them:
mega.nz/file/8dREwJYC#ZFriee-...
Here are the results of this tournament:
www.esportsearnings.com/tourn...
Here are the brackets:
liquipedia.net/arenafps/CPL/2...
Some interviews with the finalists (35:34):
• Pringo Quakers - 2000 ...
Here is a picture of them:
imgur.com/a/LESER33
PS. Buy QuakeLive on STEAM and play: store.steampowered.com/app/282...
Music used: "Drive" by Ross Bugden
• ♩♫ Epic Chase Music ♪♬...
Visit his channel on UA-cam for more great songs.
/ @rossbugden
I hope you enjoyed this video! :) - Ігри
I was there for this event! Didn't even make the top 128, but it was so much fun! Hard to believe it's been over 20 years, but I sure don't miss lugging around a heavy CRT monitor though.
I remember CRT monitors as a kid. It were tube tv 640 480 monitors. They were heavy bastards too.
If all you got was 640x480 resolution from your CRT you had some Soviet grade hardware. CRTs didn't die due to being bad but because of logistics.
these were the days man, john was such a beast back then. I remember setting up in byoc at this event and hearing ppl talk about this guy fatal1ty, "he uses picmip 5 man!" "what's picmip 5?" nobody even knew what it was back then. he set the mold for all of us with his practice ethic, low sensitivity with a hugeass supermat, etc. I got to top16 I remember being just so nervous and shaky cause I'd just drank a Bawls and my tournament seat was right under the AC vent so my whole arm was shaking lol, it's amazing I got that far but you could tell nerves were effecting everyone from how we were used to playing at home.
@@4gloat haha byoc area was nuts. I remember seeing some guy who made a computer using a Weber BBQ grill as the case
@@MycketTuff The Russians were the first to fly into space, and you lied that you were on the moon.
Its amazing how different the pace of the game was back then. In part because of the hardware, getting 125 fps was a bit of a challenge with hardware and a good config. With graphic commands that allowed that to happend but were later banned because it allowed cheating due to texture rendering with those commands. Some other were never banned and actually were picked up in later mods such as ZeRo4 config that used the thin light with str commands playing with the zoomfov. I loved playing with the config back then.
Then you see the movement, back then with ball mouses or early optical that couldn't handle high G tracking. So accuracy and precision had to be offsetted by a bit of positioning + strafe-aiming to minimize mouse movement.
Same with the mouse-sens + mouse-accel combinations back then, some players were high sens with no accel. Then others like russian players were very low sens and high accel, which was very useful in some situations, but most of these were to address the ball mouses and low G tracking opticals, until logitech came with the dual optical.
That is why LG percentages around 25-30% were considered high, same with railgun around 40-50%.
Also, Q3 OSP had a funny way with hitboxes shapes and latency to the server which enabled stuff that you could only do at lan and not online. Hence the importance of LAN parties and tournaments. Whole different thing than it is today with all the netcoding.
The game supported multiple cpus... So with a decent GeForce and dual p3 this was possible. All just for Strafe jumping which was a bug in the game
It would be interesting to chart the progression of LG and RG accuracy from top Q3/QL tournaments from 1999 through 2016.
this would be cool, i think the LG has changed quite a bit between the early osp days of quake 3 and the quake live days? from my understanding LG used to have kind of a 'firehose' effect when firing it where it would lag behind the crosshair, i wasnt around back then and its hard to find evidence of these changes but this would of made LG much harder to hit
@@MrOtisotis That is true but its not seen in the video because you could turn it off visually, the effect was still there based your latency though. The cg_truelighting setting could be set to 1 which is what fat has I played with .5 to have some of the visual effect present.
60 Frames VS 350+ nowadays
@@0grob0 to be fair, it's hard diminishing returns past ~130fps
@@MrOtisotis My LG/RG accuracy took a toll the day I switched CRT Monitor to LCD Monitor, it was awful. Some monitors nowadays are good, but still expensive.
I remember playing Quake 3 and trying to find a great monitor and a gaming mouse... Good old days! GG
It's pretty nuts how some of these shots that he's hitting are pretty damn sick even by today's standards. As always it completely makes my day when I see another upload from you in my sub box. Great job! :)
Not really. Fat has been top of every single FPS he has chosen to compete in since the very beginning of competitive FPS. Talent levels through the roof. Normal gamers could practice for a decade and still not reach that level of skill because of the talent offset. You can LEARN how to do things the correct way, but you cannot TRAIN talent.
@@TheVanillatech Cmon, fatality was a great player but compare this to Quake live matches 10 years later. This looks pretty clumsy and slow in comparison
@@TheVanillatech "Fat has been top of every single FPS he has chosen to compete in since the very beginning of competitive FPS"
- That's not true. He tried to join thresh's clan in quake 2 but didn't cut the mustard (he wasn't yet good enough). Just a few months after the match in this video, he fell away. 2001 was completely dominated by zero4 (cpl babbages, wcg and quakecon). Less than a year after that, he failed to qualify out of NA for WCG 2002. He competed in UT2003 and painkiller, but he was definitely not the best player in those games (Gitzzz and Vo0 were, respectively). Fat was competitive, but definitely not the best.
@@BOZ_11 I think in Painkiller he had a lead. Just sucks that PK had like a million patches that destroyed the game in a short period of time.
@@tehpeasant this is ball mouse era, Fat still has a killer aim you should watch him stream sometime.
i still remember when fatality burst on the scene rocket jumping throught the lightning gun area in q3tourney2 in the beta. that shit was inspiring
Stuck his pocket out on top of the bridge and settled fuck yeah.
The Golden age
Back in the day these guys seemed completely nuts, now they seem just OK. Skill level across the board has increased so much.
@Maikel van Dijk - SV 1637 true
Debatable
If they competed in their primes today they would dominate
No it hasn't. We have games with aim assist crutch now and tons of visual noise to screw over skill based mnk players.
Wrong. Too much aids today. There is zero auto aim in these times. Skill level today is weak
Nice video, keep em coming!
I love these old school Q3 demos.
Everyone in here thinking this is primitive, or "wow it took so much less skill back then." I dare you to go play on any quake server. You will get your assholes split in half and go back to playing overwatch within 10 minutes. It looks waaaaay easier than it actually is. Its just not flashy like newer titles that pat everyone on the heads.
They aren't wrong, the type of ppl who got votekicked for being too shit nowadays in quakelive are still better than what you see in this vid. We've had over 20 years for the avg skill level to skyrocket
Oh this is so cool this is preserved from the OG days I was addicted I remember connecting to a server where Thresh was and nearly having a cow
This was real fps gaming, not the pathetic class based games with colored skins and doll dresses that exist today.
Yup, its incredible after almost 30 years, the legacy of quake still is going strong on the game industry, timeless game.
I randomly played Quake 3 Arena as a kid couple of times, but these players played nicely with shitty equipment with 60 fps. Now everyone needs 240 fps, 1000$ mouses, mousepads, mouse bungees and so on XD interesting
Q3A was THEEE real shit
@@PinkeySuavothe skill of Quake players has evolved tremendously. If you played in duel like fatal1ty does here in 2023, you’re going to get absolutely destroyed.
@@unclerhombus I see, it's similar with "pros" in Fortnite or League of Legends who were pros in first seasons. I didn't know quake 3 is still played btw :D
Next level
gen 1 quakers was first steps, and been hadicapped with at the time tech (60hz, ball mouse)
gen 2 quakers has pushed mind games and positioning to human limits
gen 3 quakers pushed aim and arcade play to human limits
it's actually reminds me how humanity making advancemends in disciplines. look how gymnastics in 1900s looked like, and compare it with nowadays. Quake is no exception
gen3 pushed cheats limits
Wow! Back in the days this looked crazy good. Now it's really weak compared to top QL players.
How to set 16:9 screen aspect ratio in Quake III Arena?
16:9 is a screen aspect ratio. not a resolution :P
but i guess you can change it in the ini or cfg file! not quite sure
@@jalliboy thanks. What files exactly and where to find them?
@@eeyoooo they should be in the quake 3 folder! Not sure if it works tho, but it is worth a try
r_customAspect 1
r_customWidth 1980
r_customHeight 1080
cg_fov 100
Wait why does this Q3 look so much better than mine lol
The Video is really fun and impressive at 20:00 when you watch IT at 0.25 speed
i am cry (((
а почему на красной?! Желтая бронька?!))
Wow, no Mega and YA at the bridge? That's odd... :)
no, thats old :) thats 2000.
This isn't the original dm6, it's pro-q3dm6
@@miguelpereira9859 This is the original q3dm6, the pro-q3dm6 had RA and mega.
When user is far more advance than modern games.
interesting i cant even remember that there was no ra and mh on q3dm6
RA and MH only was in pro-q3dm6, this is regular old q3dm6
@@placeholdername3206 I know that I just didn’t remember that there where only two yas on dm6
Good Nice ZAEBIS
Русский?
so this super og dm6 was probably what blood covenant based most upon. i still think something can be done to make it less the rail fest it is today
Yea Blood Covenant is the final form so far. Q3DM6-ProQ3DM6-Campgrounds-Blood Covenant. It's always been a rail fest to some degree, but that extra bridge and sightline between RL and the jumppad to the rail curve certainly made it moreso.
I remember him running with another player 1stdegree. I was clan {WM} when we played each other. Fun times *~
not baad..go Dm17?
The Longest Yard always in my heart!
cute.
gg @5:02 :)
its crazy to see how average this fight is compared to modern techniques and skills. it is also sad the skill based shooter games are a thing of the past.
i want these REAL fps games back man. call of duty is so stale. Arena shooters got your heart pumping and took major skill to be decent at the game
Rush 3d makaveli
Neither player at their best here, I think more to do with how badly Makaveli was playing rather than Fat.
Crazy to think that this level of skill play in Quake is nowadays the bottom the the metal league barrel
Who said that?
@@hanniusprenn5725 Me?
@@attractivegd9531 Go play quake 3 arena. I promise you will be quickly humbled. Its not as flashy as overwatch or cod but I assure you it takes a ton of skill to be good at quake. Its one of those games that looks easy when someone else does it. I mean this not as an attack on you at all bro, but just because its older doesnt mean it takes less skill.
@@hanniusprenn5725 I think you misunderstood me, I am saying the skill displayed here in this vid is the bottom of the skill you find in Quake today, just join a lolCA match in Quake Live and watch how the last player of each team is playing. They are playing better than makaveli or fat. Besides I am a quaker myself, you can check out my yt :p
@@attractivegd9531 Ooooooh my apologies man I did totally misunderstand completely hahaha. Sorry man. Ill check your page out.
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Чё-то они какие-то слабые
Man…skills were so much more primitive back in these days.
Again like I asked the other guy hahaha how and why are you yungins thinking this lol. Its not as flashy as the newer titles but, map control, resource management, skill, map knowledge, and consistent aim are a big part of arena shooters. They arent meant to be all big and flashy with, "Play of the game". They made that to pat people on the heads for doing what they are supposed to do, which is get good lol
@@hanniusprenn5725 huh? I’m comparing the skills of Quake pros back in the day with the skills of Quake pros today.
It’s night-and-day.
@@unclerhombus I misunderstood you man. Sorry my bad. I thought you were some gen z kid shitting on quake as a whole.
@@unclerhombushardware limitations then vs now. They had crt but didn't have cpu/gpu combos capable of pushing 300+ fps with top tier mouse sensors and synthetic mouse pads designed for gaming.
@@unclerhombus Skills xD Better running shoes = more skilled runner? :D Also cheating is mainstream now, thousands of streamers get rich by cheating in games and getting donations from naive kids.
i hate aim down site ggames. theyre so boring and stale now. bring back the good games man
It was boring.
Good old days when players played aggressive, camping only once or twice a match in attempt to fool enemy and turn the tides of match.