Stop Remaking The Crow
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- The Crow remains a classic of the underground comic book audience, horror movie fandom and goth subculture, so it makes sense film executives like Harvey Weinstein have tried to capitalize on it for decades.
But there are some things that can't be redone. Before Bill Skarsgard dons the make-up and black jacket, return to the original Brandon Lee classic and ask why they just can't continue this classic.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
3:19 The Crow (The First Film)
13:35 The Comic vs The Film
20:19 The Crow: City of Angels
28:36 The Other Sequels
33:10 The Remake
48:22 The Crow Should Not Be Remade - Фільми й анімація
I think The Crow could work as a franchise but only if it's a character/ theme driven anthology sort of thing. Like a bunch of different people throughout time with differing baggage and reasons they came back as The Crow. WW1 Soldier, old west guy, sex worker, etc, different person's story each time. Just being what looks like a standard action shooty bang is the worst route they could have taken.
You're right, the comic books spotlighted a different character in each storyline. This is perfectly set up to tell new stories with new actors, I would be way more into the new movie if literally they just changed the names. I don't know Deric and Kelly, hahaha
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I feel like so many misunderstood this movie, seeing it as just a gothic and nihilistic action movie. Truth be told, the film is kind of the opposite.
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This video, first, inspired me to listen to the entire Crow OST before game today. And it was just as amazing as I remember. Just so fantastic.
And then, after game, I went on to re-watch the movie, and Jesus Christ, it had me openly crying before the 5 minute mark, and multiple times through out. The level of pathos pouring out of the screen is like a god damn firehose. Even the moments of levity aren't so much a "reprieve" as just making you empathize even more with these characters so their hurt is all the more real.
A moment that I had totally forgotten but hit me like a truck was Sarah and her mom and the breakfast. And Sarah being (rightfully) a little skeptical and bitter. But the moment she sees her mom actually hurt and about to scrape the eggs into the trash, she reaches out. It's so small but so god damn real.
I was a teen when the first movie was adapted , it had an energy among all of us. They must not touch this one 😢
Loving the original Crow is a mark of excellent taste.
I feel like there was a much easier fix to the whole "Shelley as a pure virtuous cipher of a woman" problem the remake creators cited--just have the movie spend more time developing Shelley as a character! Spend more time in the flashbacks showing us her personality and relationships, both with Eric and Sarah and with other people. Maybe have Eric talk to one of Shelley's loved ones after her death to share memories of her and help them both process their grief. Maybe have Eric find some of Shelley's things when he goes back to their apartment (I'm a big fan of environmental clutter being used to inform characterization). Hell, maybe one of the tenants Shelley helped could offer Eric a place to stay, and we could see the impact she's had on their community that way. There are ways to flesh her out that don't victim-blame her for her own death!
This film has, and always will be, one of my absolute favorite films. It affected me deeply the first time i saw it, and it affects me every time i rewatch it. I cry multiple times during the film because they did such a great job of conveying emotion. Your heart breaks for Eric and Shelley, and it's overwhelming when they are finally reunited. It does differ from the graphic novel a lot, but i think it does so in really great ways. I love them both.
It reminds me of the description MovieBob had of the 2010 Tim Burton "Alice in Wonderland" film.
"The only person who will be glad this movie exists is the manager at your local Hot Topic."
That's what I said about the the Beetlejuice sequel
@@darkservantofheaven I saw the trailer... it looks fun, and Jeffrey Jones is still blackballed. All is well.
I am proud to say, I saw The Crow on opening night almost thirty years ago. I went alone, but bumped into old friends' from high school, that I had not seen in a while. One of my better memories. As like Brandon Lee was talking about.
Good video. I subscribed too.
One person that did come back for City of Angels: composer Graeme Revell
I do agree with the person above - The Crow could work as a thematic sort of universe, where we see different stories of people with unfair, violent and tragic ends. That way they could have written multiple variants of the story with endless possibilities of showing different gothic-inspired settings, kinds of grief, mindsets about justice, perhaps we could see different Crows ending up refusing or failing their assignments and why that could be, even with nods to the originals, but leaving the original story intact and untouched, since it's practically impossible to even approach much less top. In the end, the thing that attracted me to the Crow myself when I was a kid was the gothic atmosphere and ideas and the super romantic notion of rising from the grave itself due to a great love, but what kept me all these years was the untamed sense of justice the story showed, which resonates even more with every year that passes and the more injustice piles up around us. It will be different, of course, than the original comic, or the movie, but it can be a pretty enchanting and cathartic sort of cultural experience, I think.
But yeah, the remake.....is the definition of soulless, and of course I don't trust Hollywood to even try bringing such a vision to life. Pity for the talent involved, but even if I was magnanimous enough to wish it goes well, I'd still heavily doubt it'd ever make a good movie.
This needs so many more views.
I used to watch this movie as a little Kid, and and I'm so disappointed that they're trying to reboot it.
The movie had so much heart and soul poured into it, the story is so beautiful.
I feel like in this day and age, its so hard to get a movie that feels like so much care is put into the creation process. This just feels like a nostalgia cash grab and I'm not happy about it.
Okay... so this did put in my head the idea of Crow vs. Candyman and... shit, I know it's shlocky but I would watch that.
The idea of two DIFFERENT gothic noir supernatural tragedies colliding on the same place.
And could be a great chance for the Black Goth community to see a Black Crow.
And they both have Tony Todd.
Oh yeah, there was actually plans for a Black Crow at one point
The only thing I want from this reboot is for it to be popular enough to justify getting the true director's cut for The Crow: City of Angels (finally) released. Every criticism I've heard for City of Angels is resolved with every scene the Weinsteins cut from it. If released, I think it will be looked at as one of the great movies ruined by delusional (and evil) producers and Tim Pope will be looked at as a director who could have had a terrific career in film had his experience not been tarnished by greedy slobs trying to twist his vision into something incoherent.
* I genuinely think the reboot could do a Sonic movie style turnaround if they simply change the character names; they don't need to be Eric and Shelly.
I remember being 14 years old, it was a summer night - very hot, and I couldn't sleep - I went downstairs, turned on the tv, and The Crow was on ( it was about 11pm or so). I was MESMERIZED - stayed glued to the screen until the very end. I loved it so very much, it left a lasting impression on me
The movie reboot is in production hell for a whole decade.
As a person working at a theater, I thought the same until I saw a movie poster up. I was massively dissapointed that its being released. From what I've seen from the trailers and discussions about it, it entirely misses the point, entirely misses the soul, and entirely misses The Crow. It breaks me cause both The Crow comic and movie was full of Soul, artistry, meaning and tragedy. The new one misses it. It should have stayed in production hell and been canned.
Being an old man I saw this opening day.
It can't rain all the time
If this remake didn't have Bill Skarsgard who's a great physical talent, I wouldn't even bother with the remake
I have been debating for a whine about whether or not I should make a video essay deep diving into the production hell that was the reboot’s conception, and honestly I’m feeling more and more motivated to do so especially after seeing that godawful trailer
Recently watched all three sequels (then bought them) because all of them are so different and are bad in unique ways. The fact that they all take place in different cities and follow different characters 98 percent of the time helps separate them in my mind. I don’t consider them comparable, which helps me enjoy them for the often good bad films they are. The Crow: Wicked Prayer is operating on a different level of bad admittedly.
I actually did enjoy City of Angel and Salvation. Wicked Prayer? That was awful. I sort of have the same attitude I do with the Hellraiser movies: The first was amazing, the second was a step down but still fun, and third is where it should have ended. I once bought a friend of mine a Wicked Prayer as a Gag-Gift. It took the two of us a third of a bottle of vodka to get through it, though.
i later got him the original on Blu-Ray to make up for it.
As someone who has seen the original film HUNDREDS of times, read the graphic novel several dozens of times, watched the show more than once, watched all of the objectively bad sequels multiple times...
I am 100% perfectly fine with them telling new Crow stories... goth or not. But that requires new characters. Eric & Shelly are who they are. Ashe & his son are who they are. If they used different names for the main characters in the remake, I'd still think it looks like a bad movie... but I wouldn't look at it as them actively trying to spit on the original and the graphic novel.
If they want to make a soundcloud rapper a Crow, have at it. Just make a new character.
On top of that, the remake is using those characters as recovering drug addicts. This FURTHER insults the creator given that his fiance was killed by a drunk driver. So, again, using HIS original characters is just purely insulting (to put it mildly).
I want to restate... I'm fine with them making sequels. Even if they are not good. Just create new characters.
The only good thing about the remake that I've found is it's because of it existing, we're getting a 30th Anniversary edition and the original being put back into theaters.
Exactly. This would have worked had it just been completely new characters. Knowing what Eric is meant to represent, making him and Shelly recovering drug addicts just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
I actually enjoyed City of Angels and Salvation. Didn't think much of Wicked Prayer though.
Instead of this 'remake'; I kinda wish they'd adapt Flesh and Blood. It's about time we had a female lead
i watched salvation recently again. (walton googins from fallout is in it) it was much better than i remember it.
Just got into the crow recently and this is eye opening… wow 😮
I gotta disagree on the show; I actually really like it for what it is, but I definitely agree with everything else. Particularly in regards to how important Sarah is, which is actually probably my biggest concern with the remake, that there’s no Sarah in sight.
I think the ONLY reason people consider this property to be sacrosanct is because of the tragic death of Brandon Lee on set. If he had lived, he’d have probably come back for the sequel.
I need to watch this someday. Every night I burn every night I call your name
Love this video as the Crow will always be one of my favorite movies. I purchased the comics when they first came out and the movie was just done right. But sir, please learn to use the normalize function on your final edit. The sudden loudness of your b-roll was jarring. All you have to do is run the video sound track through normalization - every video editor has it - and that will stop that from happening. I mean a couple of times you almost blew my ears out.
Listen. The reboot looks dope as fuck.
I do agree that Bill should be playing a different character that becomes the crow instead of Eric Draven though.
I don't remember ever seeing the sequels, & it's been a long time since I watched the first. I wonder if, now that I'm blind, listening to the audio tracks w/ description will make the sequels better.
Agree 100% look I understand if they want to do a tribute to where it’s a new person coming back from the dead for revenge . Now if there going to do a complete remake I’m not down for that . Like make a good movie as a legacy and not using Eric Draven but not Hollywood let’s piss on the grave of Brandon Lee . But this new one just looks like a run of the mill action film no darkness and grit or atmosphere just looks really boring
They want to turn thr crow into a shared universe like marvel me in my head it's never gonna happen it'll fall apart before it gets an inch off the ground
first Crow is the best shouldn't be touch Not just for Brandon lee (which big factor)But i always thought it was so dark and sad hell even the comic book which I get it.
no not until i make my version
I love the graphic novel and the original film, I might be the one person who enjoys City of Angels, lol 😅, but the remake looks too awful to defend on any level. Thank you for this great video. I'm liking and am subscribing right now. Looking forward to checking out your other videos.
Art and commerce have been intrinsically linked since at least the Renaissance, so railing against the creative bankruptcy of Hollywood feels like a moot point. And while there are certainly favorite movies of mine which I would prefer never get the remake treatment, I just can't work up the energy to get mad about it. My philosophy can be mapped on a Punnett square:
1. The Original Was Good + The Remake Is Good = We feasting, y'all.
2. The Original Was Good + The Remake Is Bad = At least we'll always have the original.
3. The Original Was Bad + The Remake Is Good = Wow, they finally got it right!
4. The Original Was Bad + The Remake Is Bad = This is the darkest timeline.
Whilst I agree that Art and Commerce have always been intertwined there is something about the current attitude, maybe that Commerce should trump Art, that is deeply problematical. I find it difficult to admire Hurst's work (about which there was recent controversy) while Hockney produces work that I truly love and enjoy. The old trope about the artist starving in his garret but finding great success post mortem is a trope for a reason, in that there is more than a smidgeon of truth to it.
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I love this movie my brother and I were 11 the year it was released
A while ago my brother sent me the trailer for the remake and I was not impressed
Excellent video. I love the Crow, I watch every year on Halloween. It's so good, will not nor have I seen the others and not planning to. I even met someone from the cast. I'm not planning to see this reboot
you know what they need to really do. Stop remaking movies
Some remakes can be really good, though. People forget that Scarface is a remake.
i stand resolutely as the one person who is excited to see this remake. if it is good, it will find it's audience. if not, i got a sequel, two made for TV movies and a TV on the burn pile already.
The crow is the one with yellow power rangers trini payed by thuy trang correct?
The new movie isn’t really a remake of the 1994 version (which itself wasn’t exactly a faithful adaptation of the source material). It’s just a different adaptation of the same source material.
Oh yeah
I still haven't seen this movie.
It's a superb film.
12:40 You're gunna make me cry..!!
23:31 Aren't we forgetting Gabrielle..??
wasnt there one with the kid from terminator 2
Yuuup. I show a clip of it in the video
@@agramuglia haven’t gotten there yet lol
I've been saying for a while now: the Crow remake has turned him into Spawn. Action over Pathos, giant evil conspiracy instead of just a decaying city falling into meaningless violence, the total lack of the mortal side characters (at least as far as the trailer cares). And most of all, the manufactured goth aesthetic over the goth culture.
Oh my god, it's Lizzy!
The Crow... or what String stole his most famous appearance from.
This Video Was Great !!!
24:28 Incredibly insensitive..!! Could you not try to pull your punches..‽‽ You wax your words too sharp my friend..!!
I adore City of Angeles..!!
It was very apparent to me, that something was off, or rushed about it. Fast forward a few years, then I learn all about Weinstein'...and the asshat's butchering of the film...
Only helped me to cherish the work even more...almost like a wounded animal..!!
I can only imagine how wonderful the original director's cut was...the actual one. NOT the bullshit blatant lie the studio released a time later..!!
Damn right
The Crow is the perfect dreammare..!!
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I will be seeing the new Crow but I still think it's a terrible idea
seems like everyone is geared up to despise this remake...the unbridled hate is making me kinda root for it despite myself-fka twigs and Bill Skarsgard-both very talented, right? right? think those who feel so strongly about this MAYBE are a little too influenced by their memories of the original 'Crow'?- I'm 35, saw The Crow around 2002 and was confused by the untouchable esteem surrounding it...if Brandon Lee did not tragically die during production, not sure everyone would be losing their minds. I view 'Robocop' in very high esteem but was not threatened by a mediocre 2014 remake...think everyone should be careful with this preloaded hate or you may look in the mirror and see 'Star Wars'/Ghostbusters nutjobs in your reflection one day...love the channel though!
That's how I feel about it too. I'm very against the idea of judging a movie based on promotional material, vibes and nostalgic rose tinted glasses. I'm giving this video a chance for the same reason, but it frustrates me that everyone seems to almost be begging for this to fail when the original meant so much to me. Maybe this version will mean a lot to someone too.
I don't think this is comparable to the Ghostbusters situation because there isn't that same level of emotional devastation associated with those projects as there is with The Crow. It's one of those films that's loaded because of all the tragedy associated with both the graphic novel and its adaptation. I would love to be completely wrong.
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I'd say 'stop remaking' full stop. Most movies have become so bland and regurgitated.
I wrote another Crow srory...around 2000, where the Crow was finally female..!!
There was a few in the comics
Would this be another unfinished and cancelled Batwoman project then???
No, the film is coming out. I just wish it wasn't.
@@agramugliaI do agree I hope it ends like batwoman not to be released and just scrapped.
@@agramuglia can you agree with me. And hope to god this is another shitty scrapped movie. Like the batwoman movie was.
@@agramuglia why are you deleting comments
@@anyamariemcdonellharvey2nd649 i am not deleting comments. What are you talking about?
The movie isent acurate to the novel in many ways and looses the random brutalety of the rape and murder of the comic i belive that adpatations of the comic can exist outside of the movie as brilliant as it is
The bew movie again seeks to turn the first scene into a fucking mystery or some greater plot
Remaking this movie or making a sequel is kinda like digging up someone's grave. In my opinion.
It's pronounced twee Trang
This new film is the only Crow "remake". (I don't count the TV show because its not a standalone movie. You can argue that I'm wrong if you want.) The rest were different takes on the same mythology, just like O'Barr's comics. You guys really need to calm down about different versions of the Crow. It meant a lot to me when I was super young too. I was actually around when it came out and it had a massive impact on me (as did the comics). But this story does not belong to you and other people can take a shot at remaking it. You mention Poe. How many different versions of his works are there? Are his stories more appropriate to remake than O'Barr's? Why? Is his work less important? Less personal? No? Then chill the hell out. Just watch the first movie and ignore the rest if that's the only version you want to see. (Pretty sure you guys are abusing the "goth" mantle too. If your baseline is Evanescence, you're off to a bad start.)
It's more so that it's a bastardization of the original movie and source material. They turned Eric Draven from someone who played the guitar for Nine Inch Nails into a soundcloud rapper. It's a valid interpretation yes, but it's an awful interpretation that doesn't grasp why it was so tragic. In both, Eric and Shelly were innocents who were just, regular people. In this reboot - they start out as literal meth heads and according to the leaks, continue to take drugs through the entire portion they're alive. It defeats the innocence aspect. It's also trying to appeal to the hoodrat demographic, which is like making a Harry Potter movie for the Westborro Baptist Church - It's tone-deaf and makes no sense.
I have no issue with the story being remade or retold, hell I loved Dacascos as Eric Draven. The TV show was cheap, but I feel Mark Dacascos was a good enough actor to portray Draven. My issue and most peoples issue with this remake is flat out - the movie looks like absolute shit and the studio wants to follow a marvel formula which just isn't the Crow. It CAN be done in an anthology format, but even still the general public thinks of the classic Crow movie when they think of the IP. That, or the comic.
*(Also, I'm about as goth as you can get as well. I'll argue Cryoshell is better than Evanescence in every way shape and form)*
Liked the video, did not like the format I would say is the thing it was very podcast like and also seemed appropriated mis mashed from other things. Was good just not made in a way I liked is all.
I was experimenting a bit with this video, since I knew the topic would not have as huge an appeal as my prior videos. And I think the experimentation taught me something valuable moving forward.
Personally I dig this format- Very conversational.
Shut up. They only remade it once
This is... factually untrue.