Star Wars vs Dune: Comparing Sci-Fi's Two Biggest Epics
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- A Beginning is a very difficult time. Know then that Star Wars and Dune remain two of the most iconic science fiction franchises of all time. I believe Star Wars is good, but Dune -- Frank Herbert's Dune is great.
Why this distinction? Is the difference between them entertainment value or ambition? Let's discuss these two science fiction epics, what makes them both distinct, as well as whether or not their less-than-stellar follow-ups sully the original saga's legacy.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:33 My Experience with Dune and Star Wars
4:02 The Story of Dune and Star Wars
7:38 Is Star Wars Science Fiction?
8:52 The Layers of Dune's World Building vs Star Wars's World Building
13:39 Leto, Paul, Luke and Anakin
18:00 Meaning Within Meaning
20:50 Which Star Wars Films are Most Like Dune (You Won't Like My Answer)
23:50 The OTHER Thing Dune and Star Wars Have in Common...
26:20 Conclusion - Фільми й анімація
Lynch tried to capture the spectacle of Dune, but in doing so steamrolled over some of the most important themes. The Sci-Fi channel tried to capture the themes of religious fervor and political machinations, but in doing so lost the beating bloody heart of Dune. Villeneuve has most successfully kept the sense of spectacle, the political and religious undertones, and the bloody desperate struggle of Dune intact more than any other attempt.
Villeneuve, in obsessively trying to highlight Herbert's supposed message (which Lynch totally ignored) forget to tell the full Dune story first, ruined several characters on the way.
Only purist would say characters are ruined @@str.77
@@str.77Movies streamline things, since you can't experience the story in your personal pace, like reading things slowly and carefully or even reread certain passages.
The LotR movie also remove or change a lot, Tom Bombadil, and the occupation of the shire by Orcs, many songs etc. etc.
@@DundG Your response isn't relevant to what I wrote. Your general explanation of the obvious doesn't justify thus specific case.
I still hold out that the first part of the Children of Dune mini-series, depicting Dune Messiah, was so masterfully put together with the tools at their disposal, that Villeneuve will have a tougher nut to crack than David Lynch.
Star Wars is for childhood growing into adolescence. Dune is for adolescence growing into adulthood. But both can be appreciated into old age.
I think it is a very good story for teens. Im taking my 13yo daughter to Dune 2 tomorrow. Im counting on some interesting discussions afterwards
Both pale next to Lord of the Rings, though. A work one could appreciate for several lifetimes and still not fail to discover new delights within it.
@@brucetucker4847 Dune absolutely doesn't "pale" into comparison with LOTR. The movies might, but the first two books can literally go neck and neck with LOTR in terms of intricacy, themes, worldbuilding and story.
@@maazahmed506 But not language.
@@maazahmed506the movies are arguably better
No matter how good the new Villeneuve movies are, I still say that the intro from Princess Irulan, performed by Virginia Madsen in the cult classic from 1984, cannot be beaten!
I'm a casual star wars enjoyer myself and in only 2 minutes you've placed in me a desire to check out Dune
Dune is Star Wars for adults. It’s what inspired game of thrones. It’s such a beautiful world and both the miniseries (free on yt) and the Denis films adapt the story so damn well, they truly put love into them. You will not be disappointed
@Mahhhdeee oh wow thanks man
I'll check it all out
Don’t forget to check out dune 1984, its pretty awesome ngl
@@Mahhhdeeeshould say Star Wars is dune for kids, would be more accurate considering George’s inspirations
@@Notfakeultra I agree. Much closer to accurately labeling the two for what they are, dune, and dune for kids aka Star Wars lol
When I was about 16 and my mom and I were talking about difficult books, she mentioned Dune with an eyeroll, as if no one could be reasonably expected to finish it. That gave it a kind of gravitas to me.
I've been a massive Star Wars fan for as long as I can remember. I love the characters, the world-building, the Force lore, and the political story-telling and implications (especially in Andor). I'm writing fiction right now and Star Wars has probably had the biggest impact on the kinds of stories I want to tell - sprawling epics that combine fantasy and sci-fi and which rely on engaging characters, immersive world-building, and relevant metaphors. I will be a Star Wars fan til the day I die.
With all of that said, the general *feel* of Dune blew me away when I first got introduced to it at the time of Part 1's release in 2021. I love the "power corrupts" and "don't trust charismatic leaders" themes that Herbert baked into this story. Villeneuve's two parts form a near-perfect sci-fi magnum opus that highlights these themes in such a visceral way; the mounting dread you feel throughout Part 2 as Paul amasses influence is genuinely on a whole other level to what most of Star Wars has been able to deliver. Where SW touches on the optimistic animistic side of my psyche, Dune does for me what a lot of horror and gothic media does: it exposes you to the cynical, atmospheric, tragedy-stricken side of the human condition in a way that haunts you to the core, in a way that more tonally-optimistic media like SW (even when it gets darker) just can't quite replicate. While both SW and Dune want you to know that authority and hierarchies must always be questioned, only Dune makes you *feel* that on a gut level with Paul Atreides's arc - the unease, the pathos, the premonitions, the brutality. Anakin Skywalker owes much to Paul Atreides. It's hard for me to put into words, but this video does a great job exploring some of the reasons why I've come to be so fascinated by this world.
There's a meme I came across a little while ago that I find myself constantly referencing. It says "my brain", with a picture of a two-sided brain below the words - divided into "childlike wonder" and "the void". You need to be able to contemplate and appreciate both in life. Reality is filled with love and solidarity, but it's also filled with hate and oppression. Life is a beauitful thing, but it is often cut brutally short within human societies and across nature; decay makes way for new life to be sure, but any beauty we derive from the world will always be laced with some tragedy. For me, Star Wars is "childlike wonder" and Dune is "the void". Both series blend the two at times - as all compelling stories should - but it's safe to say that they each much more strongly convey one over the other.
I think I'm always gonna prefer Star Wars as a story, partly because of its more optimistic view of rebellions and metaphysics and partly because of nostalgia. But *man* .....am I so glad I found Dune and am I so glad that these Villeneuve movies exist. It's no overstatement to say that Paul's arc is gonna stick with me forever and is gonna influence how I write/think about villains from now on. I also really hope that more people entrusted to make Star Wars media in the future take cues from Dune and Andor - epic stories with deep themes and awe-inspiring atmosphere are very much needed in this era of junk food superhero flicks. I know that Star Wars has the potential to rise to the occasion and tell these kinds of stories; Lucas was inspired by Dune when writing the original and prequel trilogies, after all. (Though I argue not nearly to the degree that some Dune fans like to claim. SW is definitely not a "rip-off" of it. It's clear that Anakin's arc was probably inspired by Paul's, that Tatooine is a spiritual successor to Arrakis, and that there are a handful of other small vibe/aesthetic similarities, but as I hope I made clear above the two series use very different tones and trajectories to tell their stories and they're not really *saying* *the* *same* *things* with their characters and worlds. If SW is a rip-off of Dune, then D&D and basically the rest of the fantasy RPG genre are rip-offs of Lord of the Rings. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
Just one thing... "It's not that power corrupts, it's that power attracts the corruptible"
Good comparison, but I disagree with the interpretation of “balance” in the force. It’s a bit unfair to Dune, but the expanded lore establishes the tenets the Sith and jedi operate on (the films show this, but don’t explain). The Sith bend the force to their will, it’s enslaved and used for their goals. The Jedi follow the force, allowing it freedom which is balance and not bending that balance as a Sith would. Grey jedi cannot exist due to this, as the dark side corrupts absolutely and attempting to do so would bend the force. There is a set standard for how balance works, Rey & Kylo only fulfill their dyad after Ben turns to the light. A writer can’t violate this unless they throw away how the force is balanced.
I always find it difficult to engage with comparing Star Wars with other science fiction media series because my experience with SW has always been with multiple mediums. To me SW isn’t just live action films, it’s cartoons, comic books, novels, video games etc. George Lucas is a creative titan but he didn’t craft this universe alone. A lot of my favourite parts of SW he had nothing to do with it. Granted I’ve only read the first novel of Dune and know there are many many more books but if you want Dune’s depth in SW’s world I guarantee you you’ll find some of it, you just have to go beyond the films.
Don’t really have anything profound to say other than that and I’m not trying to start fights. Peace.
Yoda would have enjoyed reading Dune. Great video!
After Watching Dune I'm seeing more similarites with Avatar than Star Wars (Blue People not Cartoon)
Can’t wait to finish reading the dune trilogies so I can watch this without being spoiled
Your point about each readthrough revealing something new got to me. I watched some of the '84 _Dune_ with my friend, but I don't think we finished. I heard the book was much better, so I read that in my tweens. I remember reading the scene where Paul faces the gom jabbar and the box and being in awe of his mental might, reading about the incredibly precise ways in which the benne geserit control themselves and think about the world. I was jealous, weirdly. I even subjected myself to great heat in hopes of kindling (heh) a similar degree of mastery over myself. I, too, related to Paul Atreides, the way he felt trapped and paralyzed by the vast and terrible futures he saw unfolding before him.
I then watched the film with my dad, who'd never read the book. When the reverend mother's spaceship landed, I squirmed in my seat in dread of what was to come. Watching that scene in the theater was one of the most discomforting viewing experiences I've ever had. After seeing the second film, I decided to reread the book, and my awe and Paul's strength had turned to horror and a childish, vengeful anger I hadn't felt in years. I wanted to choke her from beyond the page. It's amazing how you can grow and change after just a few years and see things in a new light. I'm almost done with the first book and want to read the sequels. I remember not liking _Dune: Messiah_ and didn't finish it, nor did I read any of the later books, since I heard they weren't as good. I'm told that _Children of Dune_ and _God Emperor of Dune_ are followups much for worthy of the _Dune_ name, so I'm looking forward to checking them out.
God Emperor of Dune is WILD
Spice enable humanity safe navigation in hyperspace without conputers, the Holzman drive enable hyperspace travel.
Thanks for posting this since a lot of people think spice grants Navigators the power to fold space. I was one of them until I watch a Dune related video on Spacedock (great channel) that clarified what spice really does.
Dune is so much deeper and thought provoking than Star Wars could ever be
No it’s really not
@@benjaminpointdexter7280 do you read books or watch movies with your eyes closed?
@@Greenignitor i mean, star wars on the surface level is for the adventure, but that is not to say that star wars isn't thought provoking. star wars subtext has always been thought provoking meaning and as much as you could argue the execution of said, doesn't mean you can't see it.
@@Greenignitorstar wars biggest thing that competes with dunes world building is that star wars is a sprawl of different worlds, cultures, histories and figures with their own spin. dune from memory is big but also linear meaning we focus on a specific group of characters, worlds or cultures while interesting and unique doesn't compare to the different perspetives. take for example we have 6 perspectives of order 66 and their experiences and we know their stories following such tragedy.
I admire both series, but Star Wars has darth traya soo...
"You can't destroy the force..." 😬
Darth Traya
Disney: Can we do that?
And checking back in after the video. That likely explains why "Dune" may be one of the most important science fiction stories written in the western canon is basically not remembered beyond the kind of nerd spheres that fixate on old school sci-fi and how important they are. Dilution of an an arguably super important story into sludge in a way Star Wars could roll with. Because Star Wars is something that on the surface is shallow but has depth if you actually choose to look for it because surprise George Lucas is actually a thoughtful human being who packed that into the narrative. Because Star Wars has always been woke. And now maybe I think I should do that essay on Star Wars and organized religion I've put off since renouncing Catholicism and going agnostic. Another solid video essay. You're getting pretty good at this.
Couldn’t have put it better myself
Star Wars is not Woke. Woke people only read Marx and nothing else. Star Wars is built around Manichaeism and other philosophies such as the Jungian archetypes.
This is the third time I realized I only read the first Dune book, ha ha
I just hope that a great author someday decides to finish the 7th Dune book with Herbert notes if there are any at all and I know there is a 7th Dune book but I don't think that's any good so I hope that a great author someday take control of the Dune novels and produce a final 7th Dune book which is more in line with Frank vision and notes and feels like yeah this is the end that Frank would have wanted just like Brandon Sanderson did with Wheel of Time he did not distroyed the legacy of Robert Jordan but fullfill it and give fans what they wanted.
22:36 - the syfy miniseries (for the budget they were given) is actually really good and I think it doesn’t get enough kudos for actually attempting such huge world building back in the early 2000s 👏🏻
I love it the same way I love a lot of those lower-budget sci-fi shows from that era. The ambition exceeded its financial limits.
There are large parts of TLJ that I really liked. Trying to create a third way between the binary was exactly what Luke did in RotJ (Obi-Wan and Yoda telling him he must kill Darth Vader and the Emperor/the Emperor telling him he must kill Darth Vader) with Luke navigating a way between them. I would have been so up for Rey/Kylo more nuanced team up.
Oh, well. This is not going to go the way you think, I guess...
I've always maintained that The Last Jedi has some pretty good stuff in it, in fact I was on the edge of my seat when Ren kills Snoke and he and Rey team up to fight his bodyguards. I was genuinely excited to see the new direction Star Wars was headed in. Ultimately Rian Johnson blinked and the end of the film just sets us down on a very familiar retread of the original trilogy's story arc. It never did live up to its moto of ' let the past die'. I guess as an IP which seemingly relies upon the Pavlovian responses of fanboys to stuff they remember from earlier films, we were always going to be disappointed by Star Wars; at least by the mainline films. I never knew that Dune had been milked so thoroughly as source material for a vast series of low quality pulp sci-fi novels.
True first sentence, next question
Dark side comes
Natural to the force, that is to say people with superhuman ability will find it easy to use these powers for evil, therefore light must prevail to keep the evil in check, that is what bringing balance to the force means.
13:36 Kreya would like to know your location.
Glad you gave Dune 1984 credit. It’s dated… but wonderful.
A wise man once said "Star Wars' older brother is hung"
The Spice does not allow the Spacing Guild to Fold Space. It permits the Navigators to navigate, by opening their minds to prescient foresight-Limited, but enough to chart safe paths between the stars.
Space Folding itself is done by the Holtzman Engines.
Nice analysis, don't suppose you could do Warhammer 40k somewhere down the line?
Now do Star Trek, Babylon 5, and Mass Effect
Battle star galactica
Yes!
Having seen Villenueve's Dune (both parts), I can see why people consider it "unadaptable". It is a great cinematic experience but doesn't give the complete package, at least, to me, whereas I would consider other epics like Star Wars saga and Lord of the Rings film trilogy to be complete packages.
I agree. Even with this adaptation, a lot was left out that adds to the complexity of the original novel.
@@agramugliaRight. I'm sure the book is good, but I've actually never read it, and I also believe that I shouldn't have to read the book to appreciate the film adaptation. Thus I enjoyed watching Dune but it didn't click for me like it did for so many other people I know, and so I don't consider it a masterpiece.
@@Pocketkid2felt the same it’s definitely a good movie and the quality is top noch but it’s definitely lacking compared to Star Wars and lord of the rings comparing it as epics as the marketing is trying to do. The video did good touching on why but also I think denis villneave (im sure I spelled it wrong) I just feel like his slow pacing style works well in like bladerunner or prisoners but not a sci fi epic with so many characters and plot lines. Too much of people just staring and not saying anything
I must disagree on LotR! While I'm no book purist, there are enough people dissatisfied with some missing things or changes.
For example Tom Bombadil is missing, who is proof that there are beings so content with their life, that the Ring holds no power over them.
Sarumans Death happens way earlier and the occupation of the Shire by the Orcs is missing, showing that not only the main Hobbits but all Hobbits have the potential to fight and be heroes.
Then Gimli got changed to be the comedic relief in the moviesinstead of the proud Dwarf he is in the books. Some would call his charakter butchered.
I even met someone who hated Gandalf in the movies, as he was more humanized like giving the small firework show for the kids enjoyment, while in the books he ignored them.
I may be a weird one, but I like Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson's Dune books. Surely, they are not as great as Frank Herbert's work, but still they are good in they own right. I enjoyed them.
I would also compare the stories Dune and The Neverending Story main characters Paul and Bastian similar on how they both become bad later on.
George Lucas took some Dune characters and split them into multiple characters, and also combined some Dune characters into one character. Paul was divided into Luke, Han and Annakin. The Duke was split between Han and Annakin. The Baron was split into Vader and Jabba. Lady Jessica was divided into Obi-Wan and Leia. However, Leia is Lady Jessica and Alia combined. Everywhere you look in Star Wars, at least in the original trilogy, there's a Dune equivalent. But in Dune, there are characters that Star Wars doesn't touch in any of the movies.
Villeneuve successfully rebooted the Monty Python Cinematic Universe ;)
"Something alien". Yes i quite agree, and the Villeneuve adaptation felt less alien than the Lynch, as terribly flawed as that '84 film may have been.
Called The Last Jedi an “attempt” is probably being too generous.
Great video 😊
Comparing the two is in my view silly, Star Wars is far flashier and louder than Dune (or Star Trek) but I'll always prefer Star Wars over the two because their aliens (both Sophonts and Non-Sophonts) are far more interesting/appealing
""THERE IS NO ESCAPE!!!! Blimey, I nearly shat myself.. sort your levels out!
Oh, I am disappointed... And here I thought we were getting that Metamorphosis video.
That said, no really, this is some good stuff Anthony.
To be fair, it's a bit like comparing apples and oranges.
Ooo, ooo, do _Star Trek_ vs. _Dune,_ ooo!
Or bablylon 5 vs battlestar galactica
@@davelouie131 : Why are you telling me? Tell the video's uploader, man. Geordi La Forge would've known that hehehehehe
5:45 The spice is NOT CALLED MELANGE.
Melange is a mixture of the spice. It is a French word.
Also, mutation does not occur in the books... not from spice exposure that is.
There's a problem with trying to claim that TLJ was divided because it did deconstruction in a way that made it look at its facade... and that being Kotor 2. Kotor 2 did a deconstruction of the Force, the Jedi, what it means to be force sensitive and all of that and was able to show how horrifying and mislead the Star Wars Galaxy is, that not a single person is actively in charge of their own destiny, they have no will of their own. Every being in the Galaxy was at the mercy of a so-called Force, an entity that while giving them life, ultimately controls them to engage in a self-balancing act. This is why force users of light and dark clash so much... its the force trying to balance itself out. This is why massive war's keep cropping up involving those force users at the heart of the conflict.
Kotor 2 did it and fans of Star Wars celebrated it. When TLJ did it, it was rejected... why? Because TLJ did an awful job, did not understand the Jedi or the force or the galaxy at all.
The Last Jedi wants to be Dune !!!
I have the first Devilleneuve dune movie
2:10 Just want to point out Star Wars kept Ep: 1, 2 & 3 hidden from the world for 20 years and the entire clone wars hidden for 10.
There’s also the old republic, the first force sensitives and their effect on their worlds, how space travel and a galactic wide civilization began, first contact with aliens, the human homeworld, etc. etc.
All of the questions regarding "balance to the force" can all be explain by the fact that its just bad writting. Its a mcguffin to drive the plot, tossed up for the viewer to simply accept so the story can move forward. Which is fine, once you accept that Star Wars had become pure pop entertainment.
And please understand, Im not a toxic fanboy throwing shade, i just dont think there is any real meaning behind that other than they needed something to give Anakin higher significance (which i dont know why they needed that in the first place. A force sensitive human who is subjective to the greater human angels and demons wd have been good enough, imo). But its been said Lucas was wicked tired by the time he started RTOJ and decided to wrap it all up there (which is why some of the nonsensical retcon-ing) so i imagine he didnt have it in him to drill down the details in the perquels. Like "screw it, bring balance to the force, giod enough"
Dune would be better compared to the Old Republic Era of Darth Revan
I’m glad to hear from another last Jedi defender, it wasn’t a great film but it tried to be something different
I saw the 1st Dune film on an air flight. I really did try to see why everyone (correction some people) say that Dune is better than Star Wars and my conclusion is no. I said to the person sitting next to me that this film is meant to be better than Star Wars. He said that he had seen both Dune films. He said they are good, but not better than Star Wars, Star Wars is special. I have said the same for years and if Dune is the closest to beat Star Wars, it just doesn't.
Will likely comment after I finish the video but will comment now. To quote Moviebob's Really that Good on Star Wars. George Lucas made war fun again. Hence all the spectacle. Lucas is will remain one of the most fascinating film makers of his generation because he believed low brow sci fi like Flash Gordon could deliver Dune level messages and meaning. And spectacle tends to endure more in the popular consciousness which is why I'm still shocking WB let Denis make more than one Dune movie when that should've been labeled "You will never see this money again." Anyway will jump in after the video is concluded now that the prologue is done.
Star Wars is about Anakin/Vader. Anakin was a slave to the light side in the prequels. Darth Vader is a slave to the darkside in the original trilogy. Anakin lived as a slave in order to become a true master in balancing the force.
HARk-O-nen, No Conan. It is a Finnish Sir name. This is how Frank Herbert pronounced it in interviews and how the New Dune pronounces the name.
Thank you for not pulling the popular "I thought Star Wars was good, but then I realised that it's just a shitty rip-off of Dune" take. You seem to be a rare internet person with a brain.
I only follow Denis Villeneuve's vision.
LOL That's my problem with today's movies, before the goal was to entertain the viewer now the goal is to educate the viewer.
George saying 20 years later that the Rebels represented the Viet Kong is like Joanne saying ten years later that Dumbledore was gay. Neither are in the text, neither makes the text retroactively political.
Regardless of what Lucas says, Star Wars is about rebels fighting an empire. How is that not political? Rowling just saying he's gay is not the same thing at all.
witchcraft and sorcery can only be used for evil because beings bent to evil provide the power
Star Wars isn't science fiction, it's space opera. Nothing wrong with that.
LOL !!! Jake Skywalker herrrm Sully is the ultimate White Saviour, which Paul Atriedes does not want to be LOL
0:06 wtf? Dune is the very definition of science fantasy
Dude they just can't accept that it just exist in a space back drop
The Sequels misunderstood the balance of the force.
The sequels misunderstood every conceivable rule or practice of good moviemaking.
5:42 This geriatric drug? Huh?
I personally feel that "Dune" only truly works (novel and films) if you have *at least* "(Dune) Messiah" after being exposed to "Dune".... ideally you'd have "Children (of Dune)" to go with this because "Messiah" is the point when we not only hear Paul reflect on hat he dreads but that it comes true, no matter his choices, that he's essentially still caught in the Bene Gesserit plan and plays it to the worst possible outcome, Leto III and Ghanima are the ones to find a solution through a sacrifice that even Paul, with all the billion-dead wars he unleashed, recoiled from.
"God Emperor" is...wired but awesome, if only to finally get what 40k renders in as a parody (40k is probably the IP that has the most Dune DNA in popular culture but it is necessary to realize that it's *not intended* to be taken seriously) and "Heretics" is incredibly intriguing only to run into the wall of Frank Herbert's death with "Chapterhouse"😉.
This is why, until very recently, Sci-Fi's Dune, with "Messiah" and "Children" rolled into one miniseries, was the best Dune version... and I loved the Baron here, yes he's not Skarsgård's glorious Brando-impression (which amusingly enough is one of the reasons that, to me, "Andor" is the most mature Star Wars so far) but he's also not a disgusting and incompetent screaming idiot like he's in the '84 version... and he often speaks in iambic pentameter which strangely enough makes him a somewhat menacing: he's a bloke who's smart enough to speak fluently in a deeply constructed way casually just for teh lolz... and he's your enemy.
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
I know it’s fashionable to pronounce them as HARkonnens, but to me they will always be HarKONnens.
It's pronounced like Jorma KAUkonen, of course. ;-)
@@brucetucker4847 that’s fine and dandy for you 😝
Star Wars was written as Fantasy Entertainment for Adolescents
("a Space Opera for 14 year olds" -George Lucas),
where DUNE was written to Critique Society, Politics, Religion... as Science Fiction for Adults, to make us Think about the Manipulations Controlling Our Lives.
I grew out of Star Wars and into DUNE,
like I grew out of The Lord of the Rings, and Into A Song of Ice and Fire,
or out of Issac Asimov's stories and Into William Gibson's Gritty Realism's.
People can't see this until "The Sleeper Has Awakened",
IOW Finally Become a True Adult where these Manipulations Become Clear.
There Both Good, In Their Own Rights, when viewed Strictly as Entertainment.
I dunno if Lord of the Rings is something you grow out of
@@agramuglia I still enjoy the LotR movies, but can no longer read the books as they seem too juvenile written since I first read them in the '70's. The same goes for Asimov's Foundation, Robot... books. But Heinlein, Clarke, Gibson... still hold their own. Enjoy the Books while you can, I did!
One does not grow out of Lord of the Rings, one only loses the capacity to understand it at a certain level. Revisit it again now that you're in late middle age and you'll be astounded at how much is there that you weren't able to appreciate or even see at 20.
@@brucetucker4847 Tolkien wrote that Hobbits didn't become Adults until 33(?), at a Party. Herbert wrote that Fremen became Adults in their early Teens, by Calling and Riding a Worm. Hobbits come from a Soft society, like our own. Fremen (Free + Men) come from a Harsh Society, like Nomads in the Desert. Becoming a True Adult (awakening the sleeper) isn't about "losing the capacity to understand" as a child, its about Life's Hardships Giving You The Capacity To Understand As An Adult, and Realizing How Childish You Were. Just because Society Considers you an Adult so they can Exploit you in the Workforce and on the Battlefield, doesn't mean you've Actually Mentally Became An Adult. Frodo. Sam, Merry and Pippin Actually Mentally Became Adults after leaving the Cushy Nest of Hobbiton and Experiencing the Harsh Realities of the Real World.
When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I became a man, I put away childish things.
- 1 Corinthians 13:11
(I'm not religious, but this was written in Harsh Times, when what you said could get you Killed by Torture)
Great video overall but trying to analyze Star Wars and including the sequel trilogy almost ruined it. The sequels feel so unconnected to the first 6 and I don’t need to go into why they’ve been talked about to death about how bad they are
If we're analyzing the whole of a thing, we need to look at everything
@@agramugliaare you gonna analyze Brian herbert's dune books too? Like Brian herbert's dune books, the sequel trilogy is a different direction that was started by Disney and struggles to mesh well with the original 6 movies.
@@valentinchappa6702 if there is enough interest I can. I really don't enjoy those books
The commonalities are superficial at best. In actual tone, there's no similarities. One is high concept, and the other is an overt homage to 30s serials.
WRT to cinema, "high concept" doesn't mean what you think it means. High concept means something you can easily pitch to the widest possible audience in 10 words or fewer. "What if we cloned dinosaurs?", "What if poisonous snakes were set loose on a plane?", "What if we all really lived in a computer simulation?" are high concept premises. None of the Dune movies or miniseries have been anything like high concept.
1v1
Boba Fett vs Duncan Idaho
1,000,000 v 1,000,000
Clone Troopers vs Tleilaxu Face Dancers
Doomed Mining Operation Simulator
Lando Calrissian vs Duke Leto
Least Feasible Fighter Craft
X-Wing vs Ornithopter
Most Explosive Trench Run
Battle of Yavin vs Battle of Arakeen
Galactic RISK Championship
Grand Admiral Thrawn vs Supreme Bashar Miles Teg
Most Convoluted Empire Scheme
Sheev Palpatine vs Leto II
Wormy Rodeo
Jabba the Hutt & Bib Fortuna vs The God Emperor & Moneo
Weirdly Erotic Eating Competition
Jabba the Hutt vs Baron Vladimir Harkonnen
Good Girl/Bad Girl Battle Royale
Mara Jade & Murbella vs Asajj Ventress & Alia Atreides (Older & Possessed)
Epic Level Dwarf Toss
Yoda vs Bijaz
Spicy Smugglers' Run
Han Solo vs Gurney Halleck
Don't Tell Me What To Do
Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Gaius Helen Mohiam
Blind Man's Bluff
Chirrut Îmwe vs "The Preacher"
Rustiest Sandcrawler
Jawas vs Harkonnens
Synchronized War Crimes
Stormtroopers vs Sardaukar
Biblename Hero's Journey-Off
Luke vs Paul
Intergalactic Monopoly
The Trade Federation vs C.H.O.A.M.
Darkest Helmet
Darth Vader vs Shaddam IV
Man vs Machine Trivial Pursuit
C-3P0 vs Thufir Hawat
The Bachelor: Psycopath Edition
Anakin Skywalker vs Feyd Rautha
Moon or Space Station?
Death Star vs Guild Heighliner
Silliest Made-Up Military Rank
Grand Moff vs Supreme Bashar
Best Desert Ambush
Tusken Raiders vs Fremen
Deadliest Golf Hazard
All-Powerful Sarlacc vs Shai-Hulud
Most-Likely to Harm Bystanders
Lightsaber vs Holtzman Shield
Least Valuable Valentine's Gift
Japor Snippet vs Plastic Crysknife
Harshest Friend-Zone
Rose Tico vs Jamis
Most Self-Aware Roomba
BB-88 vs Junction Concierge-bot
Biggest Hairballs
Cathars vs Futars
A Worse Love Story Than Twilight
Queen Amidala & Child-Slave Anakin vs Sheeana Brugh & Child-Ghola Miles
Planetary Fashion Cotillion
Leia Organa vs Irulan Corrino
Worst Job
Oola vs Chair Dog
Fire My Midwife
Padmé vs Chani
Cutest Murder Baby
Baby Grogu vs Little Alia
Iron Woman Competition
Captain Phasma vs Fish Speaker Nayla
Most Questionable Honeymoon
Star Wars: Galactic Starcruiser vs Chapterhouse: No-Ship
The Force is Female
Kathleen Kennedy vs Wensicia Corrino
Who Shot First?
Lucasfilm vs The Herbert Estate
War hammer is more epic than both of these
W4k is a ripoff of Dune's Feudal system lol
Quite simple Star Wars is for children Dune is for adults
Waite until Frank Herbert's son sells Dune to Disney. 😢
Im sorry if this irks anyone here. I know people love to trash the character of Jake Sully in Avatar but he still seems like a better hero than the wet rag, Paul Atreides in Dune.
LOL !!! Jake Skywalker herrrm Sully is the ultimate White Saviour, which Paul Atriedes does not want to be LOL
@@chasx7062 please tell me what the hell is wrong with a white savior? It's historically accurate
@@LukeLovesRoseAsk the Vietnamese or afghan when the Yanks abandoned them LMFAO
And the soon to be Ukrainians !!
@@chasx7062 If they cant handle life without us, too bad
@@LukeLovesRose so why are the Yanks looking for human shields, from their proxies like Australia, India, philippines, NATO??? YANKS ARE ISOLATED muhahaha
I don't get your protectional views on Star Wars, especially TLJ at all. You say TLJ wanted to reflect on the previous movies? But did they? They showed nothing about Luke's backstory, nothing about Kylo Ren, they didn't show Luke's response when HAN SOLO died, they didn't really show Rey's reason to the force, they botched Yoda, they wasted crap on PC capitalist casino scene, then they even botched themselves(offing Snoke). Disney's current actions for Star wars is AT BEST re-treading over the prequels-original gap(which is like creating spinoff movies with Jessica or chani or that princess), they don't DARE touch the original-sequel gap because of the depressing state of the sequel universe and to be honest, what the hell is left after the sequels? The Lynchpin that rotten Disney blue up with TLJ.
Dune is fine I guess, maybe it overstayed its welcome for like a couple of books.
You say Disney doesn't dare touch the original-sequel gap, but then...ignore that The Mandalorian is their most successful show?
@@agramuglia Huh. I thought Mando was more originals than sequels. good point.
(edit: i shouldve said stuff after the sequels, but whatever)
I enjoy this pseudo Intelkectual horseshit, when you have princess leia centered stage on a potster in a bi-kini, then the narrative must be taken with a pinch of salt 😂😂😂😂😂
Both ripped off John Carter.
Despite some overlap in similarities between the three when you truly break it down at its core.....John Carter is just Tarzan in space. It's really not that deep. And the world building isn't at all comparable to the other two.
Star Wars is Dune. So you are comparing Dune vs Dune.
Star Wars is a descendent of Dune.
As a Star Wars fan, I just don't get Dune.
Star wars took a lot of ideas of Dune and made it so a 13 years old.kid can understand it..Dune is much complicated ..but the hero journey are the same ..Paul..is Luke..Emperor is Emperor..Bennese Wicth are like Jedi ..both uses mind control ..The Guild of Dune is like the Trade federation in Star Wars ..
@@robertnguyen2025
I tried to watch the new Dune Part One movie and it just doesn't click.
Star Wars clears
Dune is Star Wars for adults.
No
Yes..only adults can think ..Children don't think..they just enjoy action
I like dune but star wars is infinitely better.
Every analysis containing something from the Disney trilogy looses credibility very fast.
Star Wars has the better music.
The music of all the Dune films is top notch IMHO. Same is true of the Star Wars trilolgies.