Happy TUESDAY, notification squad! YES! We're going up to 3 full videos a week for December! This video was the first edit by a new editor Bryce so gas him up in the comments and also let me know your lines for these Devas! Much love
Pretty good job by Bryce. I will say that I experienced some audio and visual desyncing, not sure if it's what I'm watching on or not, but there you go
Love the idea. I actually had a head-canon where the partners of the children in the Adventure epilogue eventually digivolved into the Devas. So I used their baby and in-training (and Veemon) to make digivolution lines, also using armors as the champion. But with the extra constraint that the armor had to match either the crest or rookie of the child’s parent. Had a bit of overlap with your ideas too!
Great video! I've also always wanted to see full evolution lines to the Seven Demon Lords, as if there's a group of dark digidestined with Crowns that mirrors the OG Adventure kids with their Crests (but not necessarily the OG kids falling to darkness like in a video you've made before)
I found on a wiki that Khumbramon evolves from Opossumon, Sinduramon from Swanmon, Majiramon from Fladramon, Caturamon from Lightdramon and Sandiramon from Coatlmon.
I really like the idea of the armor digimon being connected to the devas and sovereign as the concept is interesting and very overlooked. I like Seasarmon as a Caturamon's champion but I can see why Nefertimon would work.
Hi Loved this video!! I was wondering if anyone else had an issue matching sound to video around 4:30 not sure if it was the video or my internet but either way great video!! I love thinking about pre evos and potential evos and tamers was such a cool show.
Dude this is so awesome! And you did it so much better than i did. I did something just like this like 2 weeks ago cause i couldnt get the idea out of my head it was a fun and annoying exercise, it took so long to get the feel for each line right and then edits to them when i wasnt happy with the finished product of this deva evo chart i had, armors were a first idea but a hard one since again i wanted a cohesive theme to fit and some things got limited later on since i didnt want repeats and things and i also felt that certain armors were more under the domain of a certain sovereign and during some of those i gave up on in certain aspects too for other ideas and things.
I ADORE THIS VIDEO!! The Sovereign are my favorite group of Digimon and the devas are a group I always had a lot of interest in so seeing them used together like this is REALLY nice to see!
It would be interesting to see more Devas forms or even new ones, since there are so few moth or butterfly digimon they would be neat to see Devas based on them.
I love using the 02 rookies for these lines. It gives more of a link to all the seasons. I definitely need to go back and rewatch 02 because I didn't remember the sovereigns were connected to the digi eggs
The fanfic concept part of my brain has always wonder what would work as Deva partner lines for the Soma family from Fruits Basket, so this helps settle that part of my mind. Also, I think Seahomon would work for Majiramon since seahorses are thought to be baby/small dragons in Asian culture, with maybe Swimmon as the rookie… I guess? Say what if there was a cat deva Digimon to fit with the stories of how the cat was denied to be part of the zodiac, maybe part of a video as an idea?
I actually think Mihiramon into Achillesmon would work really well: Both are big cats, have a yellow, purple, and black color scheme, have shields, and Mihiramon's wings can develop into Achillesmon's energy wings, which come out of the shields! To give credit where it's due, I got this idea from MurmurSorrow. I also think you did a pretty good job coming up with connections for the Armor digimon here: I personally like stuff like Kokatorimon to Sinduramon etc more, but I honestly think it's really impressive how well you got these to work while just sticking to Armor digimon.... Also, since you brought up Quetzal/Coatlmon being a "Snake God", I figured i'd talk a bit about Feathered Serpent gods in Mesoamerican religion since I'll never pass up an excuse to share information on Mesoamerica! ----------- So, context: Mesoamerica refers to the region the encompasses roughly the bottom half of Mexico, all of Guatemala and specific parts of/cultures in Belize, and some other countries further down into Central America, and is one of only a few places in the world which indepdently invented cities, formal goverments, writing, etc. The Aztec and Maya are the most famous Mesoamerican civilizations, but there are dozens of other, with Mesoamerican history generally being split into 3 major periods: The Formative/Preclassic, (2000BC-0AD, when cities, statehood, writing, etc were first developing), the Classic (0AD to 900AD, when those things had become largerly widespread) and the Postclassic (900-1521, arguably 1697 AD, defined by a shift in political centers/models). Common Mesoamerican cultural traits include Pyramidal temples, Maize/Corn as a primary cereal crop, a ritualistic and recreational ball game, a shared 365/260 day solar and ritual calender with a base 20 numeral system, Cities with a dense urban core organized around plazas and courtyards with extended radial suburbs, sacrifice and blood offerings, and of course, some shared deity archtypes like Fanged/Goggled rain gods, and Feathered serpent gods! One of the earliest examples of what's thought to be a feathered serpent is depicted on Monument 19 at the Olmec site of La Venta, which dates back to around 1400BC (relatively early into La Venta's history: San Lorenzo, possibly the first city in Mesoamerica, was more dominant at the time, La Venta would only become prominent around 900BC) but there's a pretty interesting thesis paper by Santiago Andres Garcia titled "Early Representations of Mesoamerica's Feathered Serpent: Power, Identity, and the Spread of a Cult" which tracks other proto-feathered serpent (what the thesis identifies as the "avian serpent") iconography at other contemporary and possibly earlier Mesoamerican preclassic/formative period sites, such as in other Olmec sites, in Central Mexico, Oaxaca, etc. That thesis identifies the Avian serpent with with sky-band motifs (often placed at doorways or divisions between spaces), which ties into attributes that others have gone on to associate feathered serpents with more generally: the boundaries between cosmic realms and the passing between them, such as with the heavens and earth; with the dualism of both bird and snake attributes also reflecting that dualism between the sky, heavens, and the divine; and the ground, earth, and the mortal (Note also how this ties into stuff I talk about further down with Ce Acatl Topiltzin , or how the Aztec Quetzalcoatl travels to the underworld etc); and to rulership and priesthood (again, see Topiltzin, the satchel the figure on La Venta Monument 19 carries, a trait tied with priests; or the Aztec Quetzalcoatl) Feathered Serpents were therefore a common archetype in Central Mexico, the Gulf Coast, Oaxaca, etc by the mid Preclassic period, but has an interesting role at Teotihuacan, arguably the single largest and most influential city of the Classic period. Atg Teotihuacan (which was located in the same Valley the Aztec would 1000 years later, had 100,000+ denizens, had a massive planned urban grid with hundreds of richly painted and spacious palace complexes with plumbing systems, that housed almost the entire city's population, etc) the Feathered Serpent god has specifically aquatic and water associations, with the Temple dedicated to the deity having aquatic reliefs featuring sea shells and in addition to a feathered serpents sculptures on the temple's facade, there are also sculptures of what's identified either as crocodiles or Teotihuacan's version of the goggled/fanged Rain God (the Aztec tlaloc, Maya chaac, Zapotec Cocijo etc). This temple was also aligned with a canalized river, so it seemed like the river erupted forth from it (with the shimmering scales of a snake likened to the surface of water, and the flowing curves of a river to a snake's body), and the plaza in front of it even being able to be ritualistically flooded like the Roman Colosseum. Teotihuacan has some sort of civil uprising and a decline starting around 600AD, while the most powerful cities down in Oaxaca like Monte Alban, and in the Maya regions like Tikal, Calakmul, etc fall in the next 3 centuries as well, which marks the transition to the Postclassic period. (I sadly haven't looked into the Feathered Serpent as depicted or woshipped by the Maya much, or in Oaxaca or the Gulf Coast past the Preclassic, so I can't clarify about it there). There is MUCH to talk about with Feathered Serpents in the Early Postclassic, as later Aztec legends account stories of a civilization known as the Toltec, who they saw as their cultural predecessors and the founders of high culture and the arts and sciences, who allegedly ruled a great empire from around 900 to 1100AD. A key part of this empire was a figure known as Ce Acatl Topiltzin, who was heavily tied to or seen as an incarnation of Quetzalcoatl, the Aztec/Nahua Feathered Serpent god. So many legends about him go, he was a great ruler who suffered a moral falling, and in his shame, exiled himself to the east. For a long time, researchers assumed that this Toltec Empire was a real civilization, and the Aztec/Nahuatl legends about it were merely a bit romanticized, which they saw support of in the fact that the Postclassic Maya of the Northern Maya region (which actually grew more powerful after the Classic collapse, unlike the Central/Southern areas) seemed to have increasing influence from Central Mexico, including the adoption of Feathered Serpent gods, such as at Chichen Itza: Chichen Itza also had some structures identical to ones at Tula in Central Mexico, which researchers believed was the Toltec captial of Tollan, and oral narratives from the Itza Maya also seem to suggest they traveled from Central Mexico to the East.... seems like a slam dunk case backing up Aztec accounts, but more recent research has disputed a lot of this (check out the "The Tula-Chichen-Tollan Connection" blog post in Tlatollotl) and further complicating matters is that a lot of these stories about Ce Acatl Topiltzin have clear catholic influences, and we know that many of those accounts were written under and distorted by Spanish friars to aid in conversion during the early colonial period, which was then further distorted into modern "Quetzalcoatl was white-bearded-blond and came from the sea and Cortes was mistaken for thim" narratives, (something Cortes's own letters dispute). In any case, Quetzalcoatl as worshipped by the Aztec was tied to priesthood, learning, the arts, sciences, etc; as well as to the wind as his aspect Ehecatl. These actually aren't as random a set of connections as you might think: Speech and song are depicted in Aztec art as spiral wind gusts from the mouth, hence also his signature spiral conch shell pendant, with conches also producing both sound and wind, and the spiral shape tying into the iconic mesoamerican step fret motif, the coiling body of snakes, or the way waves of water are shown (google "A STUDY OF MESOAMERICAN RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISM" there's a infograph showing how all those visual motifs tie into each other), which may also tie into the aquatic attributes the god had at Teotihuacan (though that's my personal speculation). Quetzalcoatl also is often a benefactor of humanity, giving them knowledge (such as of Maize, or wise rule as Ce Acatl Toplitzin) or aiding them (in the current age of the cosmos, creating humanity by traveling to the underworld, Mictlan, to retrieve sacred bones which are ground up and then formed into a dough with divine blood to make humanity, like one would with corn meal to make tortillas). However, he is NOT associated much with rulers as much as other gods like Huitzliopotchli (the patron war god of the Aztec captial of Tenochtitlan) or to Tezcatlipoca, also associated with jaguars, sorcery, and the fickle nature of fate/fortune/misfortune. Tezcatlipoca is often set up as Quetzalcoatl's rival in myths: They destroy each other's worlds during earlier cosmic cycles, and it was he who in myths drugged Ce Acatl Topiltzin causing him to elope with his own sister, and set out to the east in shame. Some have theorized that this myth is a symbolic representation of a change in political power in the postclassic, since you see political power shift from being theorcractic in nature, with the priestly caste holding power; to a more "secular" system where military officials held more political power and royalty tended to be generals and the like, but it could also be those catholic religious influences, where Quetzalcoatl was likened to Saint Thomas or Jesus and Tezcatlipoca to satan, with this being a sort of "original sin" narrative I'm not sure how many people are gonna read all this, but I think it's a shame that Quetzal/Coatlmon is only one of two Digimon that are based on Mesoamerican things, when there's plenty from Greco-Roman, Egyptian, Arabic, Buddhist, etc culture. I'd love a whole Royal Knights style group based on the 13 Aztec Lords of the Day
I always thought it would be interesting to see proper digivolutions for the other Devas. The fact that the only one that gets more focus is Antylamon whose line we've seen multiple times feels a little cheap. They all have their weird little design characteristics that I just feel would make for really unique final forms.
An idea in general for the new year: How about an update video going back to older videos and putting digimon that weren't existing yet in them. For example using Fumamon in something that came out before it. Maybe as shorts?
A custom art video might be a fun follow-up. But you know I love custom art videos Karn. I also had NO IDEA the Devas belonged to multiple Sovereign, I thought they all followed Zhuqiaomon.
Is anyone else having a desync issue? Somewhere during the Makuramon section the video and audio get de synced with the video trailing behind the audio
What’s interesting is that all of them go after the children, despite only three of them being directly under Zhuqiaomon. Especially since Azulongmon is chill with his Humans in the Digital World.
It would be really cool in the up coming 02 movie if the 02 partner digimon turn into the sovereigns as their final line. This could break the chain of digimon having to leave their partners forever. We know that the original ending in 02 is still cannon. This would be a great tie in with bond forms as well. Bond form will most likely return in that movie and we could potentially see Davis, Ken, and the rest of the digi Destin get bond forms. Just like matt and tai. It would also be cool to see them bring in the end and beginning tie in that digimon 2020 brought in. IDK what will happen this is just some ideas. I just hope willis will come back.
Pretty good line choices I will say though I think Thunderbirdmon would fit more for Sinduramon better given in Tamers Sinduramon absorbed a whole city worth of electricity in a single night and primarily focuses on electric attacks. And it evolves from Hawkmon (according to Wikimon)
Merry Christmas to all i think it would be cool to see evil digimon dna digivolve with digimon they originally lost to like Belphemon and Shinegreymon, cChimeramon and Magnadramon, Lucimon and Susanoomon, and my favorite Diaboromon and Omnimon
Thunderbirmon as Sinduramon's armor/champion form and I think it's perfect pick, Opossumon as Kumbhiramon's armor/champion form, Nefertimon as Mihiramon's armor/champion form, Gargomon/Gargoylemon as Majiramon's armor/champion form, Lighdramon as Caturamon's armor/champion form. If Pucchiemon could evolve to Meicrackmon Vicious mode or Psychemon to Astamon, I am pretty sure that Opossumon could evolve to Kumbhiramon or Gargoylemon to Majiramon.
You are free to think I'm crazy, but whenever I tried to imagine what the evolutionary lines of the Devas would be like, two things always stood out to me: 1-with the exception of Majiramon and Makuramon, they all have horns characteristic of Lopmon or Terriermon; 2 - they seem tailor-made for a Warp Digivolution. I can clearly visualize a ceremony with a Nyaromon receiving Quinlongmon's blessing to evolve directly to Mihiramon, or a Koemon being awarded an evolution to Makuramon by Baihumon.
Man going through this made me realize that there are some evolutions that I think digimon definitely can use and enhance. We definitely do need some more boar level evolutions but this was a pretty tight list. More talks about digimon tamers is something that I adore the most and ironic since my friend was asking me some digimon stuff. In the end, great job as always Karn!
What a terrific idea for a video!! And based on your holidays intro, I can't believe it's already over a year since I discovered and subscribed to this awesome channel!! Though I don't remember the exact date I subscribed lol Ok, after Kumbhiramon the video gets a little difficult to follow because of the video going slower than the audio? 😕
What I did for my Kumbhiramon line, is that I also made Anubismon the mega, but I made Opossumon the champion form, and Salamon the rookie form. As for Pajiramon, I also made Pillomon the rookie, and Sheepmon the champion. But I made AncientMegatheriummon the mega.
I would love to see more videos similar to this: exploring full evolution lines for Digimon that don't yet have an established through-line. Possibly a new series, if you'd be interested in that idea? Thanks to Pokemon, I've grown to expect complete families for every creature, and it is something that I wish Digimon would do more of, target than having isolated individuals with no established connections to anything else.
A long time ago I made an evolutionary line for Mihiramon, funny thing is we both used the same champion. But my rookie was Gazimon and my mega a Baihumon. Lol!
I would love to see a video on giving more obscure digimon proper evolution lines. For example I've always been obsessed with Gorillamon, but what's a proper ultimate? Or mega?
I like the armors connection too though seasarmon and turuiemon are logical inserts, but I think I was going Toucanmon for Sinduramon, Opossumon for Khumbiramon, and Raidramon for Majiramon. I don't think they'd normally evolve to mega unless extreme circumstances but your selections are pretty decent.
Of course it's Wormmon who gets Huanglongmon :P really interesting concept here!! Anything that brings back Armor Digimon honestly could be a good idea.
My personal take on Kumbhiramon is Neamon > Opossumon > Kumbhiramon > SlashAngemon. For Majiramon I like Betamon > Tuskmon > Majiramon > Goddramon. I also remember that Sinduramon's official line was Muchomon > Akatorimon > Sinduramon > Zhuqiaomon, I know you were going for Armor Adults but since you mentioned Lopmon's official line I think it was worth to mention this one too.
A this is a Theme who also picked my Interest. I always wanted to know which evolution Line the Devas would have. Especially the Champion Level and Mega Level.
At one point I tried to make digivolution lines for the devas as if they were partners but gave up halfway through because I ran out of ideas XD I also thought Tapirmon to Boarmon to Vikaralamon would work great and that Pegasusmon & Quetzalmon could digivolve to Indaramon and Sandiramon. And I think I settled on Dinotigermon as a Mega for Mihiramon too but wasn't very satisfied with it for the reason that Mihiramon would lose its wings when it digivolves, but i couldn't find a fitting mega that kept them. I lot of the Devas have really specific designs that don't transition smoothly into megas in general... I kinda want Mikemon as Mihiramon's champion. I was pretty proud of myself for the idea of ChuuChuumon to Oppossumon to Kumbhiramon, even if Opossumon's not really a rodent/mouse. I think Apemon would be another good choice the Champion between Monmon and Makuramon. Your Pillomon to Sheepmon to Pajiramon line is pretty galaxy-brained if you ask me ^^
Ah yes the all but one Sovereign making an appearance in Adventure 02. Though to be fair they were added to the Digimon list of characters on a small sheet of paper featuring new Digimon toys that was released with the Adventure 02/Season Two characters at the time by Bandai, along with the armour Digimon.
I can't decide wether its funny or sad that your idea for Vikaralamon is one of the closest things Tapirmon had to a proper evolution line for the longest time. I had the exact same idea but in reverse between both it and Mammothmon., for the exact same reasons. :P Even with the existence of Baluchimon I still like boarmon as a champion for Tapirmon. Its also much closer from a taxonomic perspective.
Love your lines for the Devas and sad that they canceled the last Tamers movie RISE OF THE DEVAS, which according to one of the artist was supposed to be a complete back story of the monster makers and how their project evolved and began it's evolutionary path
Was Karn EX-mas already a thing? I feel like that should have been a thing before. I'm loving all of your videos, and watching you has reignited my interest in Digimon. Keep up the great vids, and I can't wait to see more custom art pieces that you help to direct.
It was a good video A thing that I will like to see is the five beasts as warrior type digimons with animal thematic armor and weapons, I think that those forms will put on a equal foot to the 13 knights in terms of power
In terms of abilities, Diablomon might actually be a nice Mega for Kumbhiramon, given how they both make copies of themselves. That being said, Anubimon does at least have a slight resemblance with the wings, so makes for a more natural-looking pick.
I made a Leopardmon/Mihiramon evolution line to test out a Digimon TTRPG recently. The line was Nyaromon> Plotmon> Mikemon> Mihiramon> Leopardmon. I think the colours and stripes, particularly the shared colours between Nyaromon and Mihiramon / Mikemon and Leopardmon, work very well personally. Mikemon to Mihiramon is also reminiscent of the connection between Gatomon and SaberLeomon, so Gatomon could be a good swap for Mikemon if you prefer its aesthetics.
Would someone explain Fangloungmon to me, whenever I see it’s picture I can tell it’s presiding over the sovereigns but that’s ALL I can say for sure, and reading up is stuff confusing me because I can be a tad stupid sometimes, any help would be appreciated
These were good choices but I could see Panjiromon’s Mega being AncientMegatheriumon since it does have a bit of Sheep/Goat look to it and Mihiramon’s mega could be Leopardmon as it is based on a big Cat and keeps the Wings it has and Sinduramon’s Champion could be ThunderBirdmon as they are both Electric using Birds.
I want a monkey and a pig Mega badly so we can complete those lines cuz for a monkey Mega I keep having to substitute in Gankoomon and qlsobhaving to use SkullMammothmon due to no others working keeps being a thorn in my side when I make lines lol
Happy TUESDAY, notification squad! YES! We're going up to 3 full videos a week for December! This video was the first edit by a new editor Bryce so gas him up in the comments and also let me know your lines for these Devas! Much love
All of the deva digimon should have their own custom made full evolutions.
Pretty good job by Bryce. I will say that I experienced some audio and visual desyncing, not sure if it's what I'm watching on or not, but there you go
Yea i’m experiencing the desync as well, video also stopped at 9:57 instead of 10:08 for me
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My video stopped syncing up after the pillowmon joke. Really takes me out of the experience but I still enjoyed it
Love the idea. I actually had a head-canon where the partners of the children in the Adventure epilogue eventually digivolved into the Devas. So I used their baby and in-training (and Veemon) to make digivolution lines, also using armors as the champion. But with the extra constraint that the armor had to match either the crest or rookie of the child’s parent. Had a bit of overlap with your ideas too!
Oh super cool!
I need to see this.
Great video! I've also always wanted to see full evolution lines to the Seven Demon Lords, as if there's a group of dark digidestined with Crowns that mirrors the OG Adventure kids with their Crests (but not necessarily the OG kids falling to darkness like in a video you've made before)
I found on a wiki that Khumbramon evolves from Opossumon, Sinduramon from Swanmon, Majiramon from Fladramon, Caturamon from Lightdramon and Sandiramon from Coatlmon.
I really like the idea of the armor digimon being connected to the devas and sovereign as the concept is interesting and very overlooked. I like Seasarmon as a Caturamon's champion but I can see why Nefertimon would work.
Glad you think so! And yeah I totally agree
Hi Loved this video!! I was wondering if anyone else had an issue matching sound to video around 4:30 not sure if it was the video or my internet but either way great video!! I love thinking about pre evos and potential evos and tamers was such a cool show.
Thank you! There's been some kind of glitch in UA-cam Studio, trying to fix
The devas were a very cool and very under utilized idea. Imagine if we did get a series with these guys as partners
Agreed! I wanna do a custom art with them in future!
Maybe a Tamers prequel that focuses on the Devas and their origins?
3:56 So… what’s with the audio not syncing up to everything else?
There's been some kind of glitch in UA-cam Studio, trying to fix
Oh thank god it's not just me
Dude this is so awesome! And you did it so much better than i did. I did something just like this like 2 weeks ago cause i couldnt get the idea out of my head it was a fun and annoying exercise, it took so long to get the feel for each line right and then edits to them when i wasnt happy with the finished product of this deva evo chart i had, armors were a first idea but a hard one since again i wanted a cohesive theme to fit and some things got limited later on since i didnt want repeats and things and i also felt that certain armors were more under the domain of a certain sovereign and during some of those i gave up on in certain aspects too for other ideas and things.
As a person who always thought Kumbhiramon would be their own Digimon Tamers partner, I greatly thank you for this.
Kumbhiramon deserves so much more haha thanks for watching!
I ADORE THIS VIDEO!! The Sovereign are my favorite group of Digimon and the devas are a group I always had a lot of interest in so seeing them used together like this is REALLY nice to see!
Really glad to hear that, thank you!
... Anyone else getting a weird audio sync issue around when Karn starts talking about Makuramon's mega?
Yeah it'll resolve soon, just trimmed out an error and it's re-processing
I’m liking the editing style, Bryce is going to be a welcome addition to the channel.
Glad to hear that, agreed!
It would be interesting to see more Devas forms or even new ones, since there are so few moth or butterfly digimon they would be neat to see Devas based on them.
Jingle Bells, Numemon smells and Yokomon laid an egg. Trailmon lost a wheel and Jokermon got away.
Happy Holidays 🎄
So happy to see you do this. Have always pondered this myself. And of course the picks were 🔥
I love using the 02 rookies for these lines. It gives more of a link to all the seasons. I definitely need to go back and rewatch 02 because I didn't remember the sovereigns were connected to the digi eggs
Thanks man! When I saw Bandai already made the link to the Armors I was like "Hmmm... what if???"
@@Karn_EX it works incredibly well, the patamon connection is definitely my favorite!
I love wormmon getting the strong fanglongmon, he's a precious little guy who deserves it
Facts! Haha
Ayyy Bryce killed it with this edit! welcome to the digital family dude!! also i guess karn was kinda cool too.
Psht who's even here for that Karn guy anymore honestly
The best part of these videos is that I get to learn about a lot of digimon from games and seasons I have never been in contact with! Thanks a lot!
I hope it’s just my video player acting up but there seems to be an audio de-sync about halfway into the video?
The fanfic concept part of my brain has always wonder what would work as Deva partner lines for the Soma family from Fruits Basket, so this helps settle that part of my mind.
Also, I think Seahomon would work for Majiramon since seahorses are thought to be baby/small dragons in Asian culture, with maybe Swimmon as the rookie… I guess?
Say what if there was a cat deva Digimon to fit with the stories of how the cat was denied to be part of the zodiac, maybe part of a video as an idea?
I would like to see a video about possible Cat Deva digimons.
I actually think Mihiramon into Achillesmon would work really well: Both are big cats, have a yellow, purple, and black color scheme, have shields, and Mihiramon's wings can develop into Achillesmon's energy wings, which come out of the shields! To give credit where it's due, I got this idea from MurmurSorrow. I also think you did a pretty good job coming up with connections for the Armor digimon here: I personally like stuff like Kokatorimon to Sinduramon etc more, but I honestly think it's really impressive how well you got these to work while just sticking to Armor digimon....
Also, since you brought up Quetzal/Coatlmon being a "Snake God", I figured i'd talk a bit about Feathered Serpent gods in Mesoamerican religion since I'll never pass up an excuse to share information on Mesoamerica!
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So, context: Mesoamerica refers to the region the encompasses roughly the bottom half of Mexico, all of Guatemala and specific parts of/cultures in Belize, and some other countries further down into Central America, and is one of only a few places in the world which indepdently invented cities, formal goverments, writing, etc. The Aztec and Maya are the most famous Mesoamerican civilizations, but there are dozens of other, with Mesoamerican history generally being split into 3 major periods: The Formative/Preclassic, (2000BC-0AD, when cities, statehood, writing, etc were first developing), the Classic (0AD to 900AD, when those things had become largerly widespread) and the Postclassic (900-1521, arguably 1697 AD, defined by a shift in political centers/models). Common Mesoamerican cultural traits include Pyramidal temples, Maize/Corn as a primary cereal crop, a ritualistic and recreational ball game, a shared 365/260 day solar and ritual calender with a base 20 numeral system, Cities with a dense urban core organized around plazas and courtyards with extended radial suburbs, sacrifice and blood offerings, and of course, some shared deity archtypes like Fanged/Goggled rain gods, and Feathered serpent gods!
One of the earliest examples of what's thought to be a feathered serpent is depicted on Monument 19 at the Olmec site of La Venta, which dates back to around 1400BC (relatively early into La Venta's history: San Lorenzo, possibly the first city in Mesoamerica, was more dominant at the time, La Venta would only become prominent around 900BC) but there's a pretty interesting thesis paper by Santiago Andres Garcia titled "Early Representations of Mesoamerica's Feathered Serpent: Power, Identity, and the Spread of a Cult" which tracks other proto-feathered serpent (what the thesis identifies as the "avian serpent") iconography at other contemporary and possibly earlier Mesoamerican preclassic/formative period sites, such as in other Olmec sites, in Central Mexico, Oaxaca, etc.
That thesis identifies the Avian serpent with with sky-band motifs (often placed at doorways or divisions between spaces), which ties into attributes that others have gone on to associate feathered serpents with more generally: the boundaries between cosmic realms and the passing between them, such as with the heavens and earth; with the dualism of both bird and snake attributes also reflecting that dualism between the sky, heavens, and the divine; and the ground, earth, and the mortal (Note also how this ties into stuff I talk about further down with Ce Acatl Topiltzin , or how the Aztec Quetzalcoatl travels to the underworld etc); and to rulership and priesthood (again, see Topiltzin, the satchel the figure on La Venta Monument 19 carries, a trait tied with priests; or the Aztec Quetzalcoatl)
Feathered Serpents were therefore a common archetype in Central Mexico, the Gulf Coast, Oaxaca, etc by the mid Preclassic period, but has an interesting role at Teotihuacan, arguably the single largest and most influential city of the Classic period. Atg Teotihuacan (which was located in the same Valley the Aztec would 1000 years later, had 100,000+ denizens, had a massive planned urban grid with hundreds of richly painted and spacious palace complexes with plumbing systems, that housed almost the entire city's population, etc) the Feathered Serpent god has specifically aquatic and water associations, with the Temple dedicated to the deity having aquatic reliefs featuring sea shells and in addition to a feathered serpents sculptures on the temple's facade, there are also sculptures of what's identified either as crocodiles or Teotihuacan's version of the goggled/fanged Rain God (the Aztec tlaloc, Maya chaac, Zapotec Cocijo etc). This temple was also aligned with a canalized river, so it seemed like the river erupted forth from it (with the shimmering scales of a snake likened to the surface of water, and the flowing curves of a river to a snake's body), and the plaza in front of it even being able to be ritualistically flooded like the Roman Colosseum.
Teotihuacan has some sort of civil uprising and a decline starting around 600AD, while the most powerful cities down in Oaxaca like Monte Alban, and in the Maya regions like Tikal, Calakmul, etc fall in the next 3 centuries as well, which marks the transition to the Postclassic period. (I sadly haven't looked into the Feathered Serpent as depicted or woshipped by the Maya much, or in Oaxaca or the Gulf Coast past the Preclassic, so I can't clarify about it there). There is MUCH to talk about with Feathered Serpents in the Early Postclassic, as later Aztec legends account stories of a civilization known as the Toltec, who they saw as their cultural predecessors and the founders of high culture and the arts and sciences, who allegedly ruled a great empire from around 900 to 1100AD. A key part of this empire was a figure known as Ce Acatl Topiltzin, who was heavily tied to or seen as an incarnation of Quetzalcoatl, the Aztec/Nahua Feathered Serpent god. So many legends about him go, he was a great ruler who suffered a moral falling, and in his shame, exiled himself to the east.
For a long time, researchers assumed that this Toltec Empire was a real civilization, and the Aztec/Nahuatl legends about it were merely a bit romanticized, which they saw support of in the fact that the Postclassic Maya of the Northern Maya region (which actually grew more powerful after the Classic collapse, unlike the Central/Southern areas) seemed to have increasing influence from Central Mexico, including the adoption of Feathered Serpent gods, such as at Chichen Itza: Chichen Itza also had some structures identical to ones at Tula in Central Mexico, which researchers believed was the Toltec captial of Tollan, and oral narratives from the Itza Maya also seem to suggest they traveled from Central Mexico to the East.... seems like a slam dunk case backing up Aztec accounts, but more recent research has disputed a lot of this (check out the "The Tula-Chichen-Tollan Connection" blog post in Tlatollotl) and further complicating matters is that a lot of these stories about Ce Acatl Topiltzin have clear catholic influences, and we know that many of those accounts were written under and distorted by Spanish friars to aid in conversion during the early colonial period, which was then further distorted into modern "Quetzalcoatl was white-bearded-blond and came from the sea and Cortes was mistaken for thim" narratives, (something Cortes's own letters dispute).
In any case, Quetzalcoatl as worshipped by the Aztec was tied to priesthood, learning, the arts, sciences, etc; as well as to the wind as his aspect Ehecatl. These actually aren't as random a set of connections as you might think: Speech and song are depicted in Aztec art as spiral wind gusts from the mouth, hence also his signature spiral conch shell pendant, with conches also producing both sound and wind, and the spiral shape tying into the iconic mesoamerican step fret motif, the coiling body of snakes, or the way waves of water are shown (google "A STUDY OF MESOAMERICAN RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISM" there's a infograph showing how all those visual motifs tie into each other), which may also tie into the aquatic attributes the god had at Teotihuacan (though that's my personal speculation). Quetzalcoatl also is often a benefactor of humanity, giving them knowledge (such as of Maize, or wise rule as Ce Acatl Toplitzin) or aiding them (in the current age of the cosmos, creating humanity by traveling to the underworld, Mictlan, to retrieve sacred bones which are ground up and then formed into a dough with divine blood to make humanity, like one would with corn meal to make tortillas). However, he is NOT associated much with rulers as much as other gods like Huitzliopotchli (the patron war god of the Aztec captial of Tenochtitlan) or to Tezcatlipoca, also associated with jaguars, sorcery, and the fickle nature of fate/fortune/misfortune. Tezcatlipoca is often set up as Quetzalcoatl's rival in myths: They destroy each other's worlds during earlier cosmic cycles, and it was he who in myths drugged Ce Acatl Topiltzin causing him to elope with his own sister, and set out to the east in shame. Some have theorized that this myth is a symbolic representation of a change in political power in the postclassic, since you see political power shift from being theorcractic in nature, with the priestly caste holding power; to a more "secular" system where military officials held more political power and royalty tended to be generals and the like, but it could also be those catholic religious influences, where Quetzalcoatl was likened to Saint Thomas or Jesus and Tezcatlipoca to satan, with this being a sort of "original sin" narrative
I'm not sure how many people are gonna read all this, but I think it's a shame that Quetzal/Coatlmon is only one of two Digimon that are based on Mesoamerican things, when there's plenty from Greco-Roman, Egyptian, Arabic, Buddhist, etc culture. I'd love a whole Royal Knights style group based on the 13 Aztec Lords of the Day
Very cool to see baby face Karn again in a video
Really loving the content right now can't wait to see more 😊
Thank you!
There’s a problem with the video. There’s trouble with the audio in the Makuramon part. It’s just jumping ahead.
It would have been epic if Susy and Lopmon had turned into Cherubimon to stop Zhuqiamon or to fight D reaper
I don’t know if it’s just me, but there’s an audio de sync, at around 4:00 and it seems off for the rest of the video.
There's been some kind of glitch in UA-cam Studio, trying to fix
Editor goin' wild on this one. I like it.
I love the ideas beyond your videos they’re always something I would never even consider thinking about Bryce did a good job on this video
Really glad to hear that thank you!
I’ve actually been wondering this sort of thing and glad that @KarnEX actually did this video
Thanks!
@@Karn_EX these picks I can honestly see happening
Really need more Tamers content. I read the title to this video and said hell yeah this is gonna be great
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You keep giving the best vibes on your videos
Aww thank you, Danny!
Nice video. Tamers lore is one of my favorite in the series.
Thanks!
This is a really cool idea but did anyone ells video to audio get split up ?
Awesome video
Thank you!
I always thought it would be interesting to see proper digivolutions for the other Devas. The fact that the only one that gets more focus is Antylamon whose line we've seen multiple times feels a little cheap.
They all have their weird little design characteristics that I just feel would make for really unique final forms.
Yeah I think in 2023 I'm gonna explore that!
@@Karn_EX 👀
I’ve always likes Pajiramon so it’s nice to see it have a digivolution line
Same here! It feels quite underutilized
Good video, I appreciate how well you incorporated the underused armors
An idea in general for the new year: How about an update video going back to older videos and putting digimon that weren't existing yet in them. For example using Fumamon in something that came out before it. Maybe as shorts?
These were really good connections. I like the picks here!
Glad you like them!
Amazing!!! I actually agree with you in every evolution line!!
Just started the video. I imagine this will be very good. I just stayed rewatching tamers
Hope you enjoy!
A custom art video might be a fun follow-up. But you know I love custom art videos Karn. I also had NO IDEA the Devas belonged to multiple Sovereign, I thought they all followed Zhuqiaomon.
Monmon is love, monmon is life
Is anyone else having a desync issue? Somewhere during the Makuramon section the video and audio get de synced with the video trailing behind the audio
What’s interesting is that all of them go after the children, despite only three of them being directly under Zhuqiaomon. Especially since Azulongmon is chill with his Humans in the Digital World.
Thank you for the coronamon love! 💞💞💞
It would be really cool in the up coming 02 movie if the 02 partner digimon turn into the sovereigns as their final line. This could break the chain of digimon having to leave their partners forever. We know that the original ending in 02 is still cannon. This would be a great tie in with bond forms as well. Bond form will most likely return in that movie and we could potentially see Davis, Ken, and the rest of the digi Destin get bond forms. Just like matt and tai. It would also be cool to see them bring in the end and beginning tie in that digimon 2020 brought in. IDK what will happen this is just some ideas. I just hope willis will come back.
That would be cool!
Have you ever thought of doing a dark digi-destined video (what if we had a season of Dark Digi-Destined)
I've never connected the Zero 02 Digimon to the Sovereign like this, but holy crap is makes so much sense
Right? Bandai have made the connection a few times themselves but a lot of it does line up well!
Pretty good line choices
I will say though I think Thunderbirdmon would fit more for Sinduramon better given in Tamers Sinduramon absorbed a whole city worth of electricity in a single night and primarily focuses on electric attacks.
And it evolves from Hawkmon (according to Wikimon)
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i think it would be cool to see evil digimon dna digivolve with digimon they originally lost to like
Belphemon and Shinegreymon,
cChimeramon and Magnadramon,
Lucimon and Susanoomon,
and my favorite
Diaboromon and Omnimon
Thunderbirmon as Sinduramon's armor/champion form and I think it's perfect pick,
Opossumon as Kumbhiramon's armor/champion form,
Nefertimon as Mihiramon's armor/champion form,
Gargomon/Gargoylemon as Majiramon's armor/champion form,
Lighdramon as Caturamon's armor/champion form.
If Pucchiemon could evolve to Meicrackmon Vicious mode or Psychemon to Astamon, I am pretty sure that Opossumon could evolve to Kumbhiramon or Gargoylemon to Majiramon.
You are free to think I'm crazy, but whenever I tried to imagine what the evolutionary lines of the Devas would be like, two things always stood out to me: 1-with the exception of Majiramon and Makuramon, they all have horns characteristic of Lopmon or Terriermon; 2 - they seem tailor-made for a Warp Digivolution. I can clearly visualize a ceremony with a Nyaromon receiving Quinlongmon's blessing to evolve directly to Mihiramon, or a Koemon being awarded an evolution to Makuramon by Baihumon.
Man going through this made me realize that there are some evolutions that I think digimon definitely can use and enhance. We definitely do need some more boar level evolutions but this was a pretty tight list. More talks about digimon tamers is something that I adore the most and ironic since my friend was asking me some digimon stuff. In the end, great job as always Karn!
Totally agreed! I wanna return to the Devas with custom art at some point to address the balance a bit!
Interesting video! Love the sovereigns.
Glad you enjoyed!
Kumbhiramon is my favorite sovereign just because it has the personality of Joseph Joestar even down to the "And next you'll say!" habit
What a terrific idea for a video!! And based on your holidays intro, I can't believe it's already over a year since I discovered and subscribed to this awesome channel!! Though I don't remember the exact date I subscribed lol
Ok, after Kumbhiramon the video gets a little difficult to follow because of the video going slower than the audio? 😕
Nice job! Maybe you can experiment with custom Biomerges for the Devas?
Definitely something I'm considering!
What I did for my Kumbhiramon line, is that I also made Anubismon the mega, but I made Opossumon the champion form, and Salamon the rookie form.
As for Pajiramon, I also made Pillomon the rookie, and Sheepmon the champion. But I made AncientMegatheriummon the mega.
Interesting ideas. Especially digimons in Panjiramon's Evolution Line were fitting.
I learn more everday and how the lore of Tamers and 02 have ties to each other.
Also, and yes, two of the Devas were in Ghost Game.
It's always fun to learn more!
And yup, Majiramon being accompanied by the Armor Digimon in particular kinda inspired this whole video
Well, technically, virus Andiramon isn't considered as Deva digimon.
I would love to see each of the Devas get their own mega forms almost as a gift from the sovereign gods they live for.
I would love to see more videos similar to this: exploring full evolution lines for Digimon that don't yet have an established through-line. Possibly a new series, if you'd be interested in that idea?
Thanks to Pokemon, I've grown to expect complete families for every creature, and it is something that I wish Digimon would do more of, target than having isolated individuals with no established connections to anything else.
Around 4:00 i think there’s an audio/video sync issue or was that just me?
Yeah there's a glitch with UA-cam I'm trying to fix kinda stuck on what to do right now
A long time ago I made an evolutionary line for Mihiramon, funny thing is we both used the same champion. But my rookie was Gazimon and my mega a Baihumon. Lol!
I'm a simple girl. I see Lopmon, I click.
Survive finally clarified how to pronounce Turuiemon for me. Too-roo-yuh-mon
I love the Majiramon line. So spunky and fresh.
I would love to see a video on giving more obscure digimon proper evolution lines. For example I've always been obsessed with Gorillamon, but what's a proper ultimate? Or mega?
I like mitamamon as a vikaralamon mega because they share a theme of using colourful wheels for their attacks.
really digging most of the lines !
I like the armors connection too though seasarmon and turuiemon are logical inserts, but I think I was going Toucanmon for Sinduramon, Opossumon for Khumbiramon, and Raidramon for Majiramon. I don't think they'd normally evolve to mega unless extreme circumstances but your selections are pretty decent.
Those are fun picks!
Come on, people, Thunderbirmon is perfect for Sinduramon.
Of course it's Wormmon who gets Huanglongmon :P really interesting concept here!! Anything that brings back Armor Digimon honestly could be a good idea.
My personal take on Kumbhiramon is Neamon > Opossumon > Kumbhiramon > SlashAngemon. For Majiramon I like Betamon > Tuskmon > Majiramon > Goddramon. I also remember that Sinduramon's official line was Muchomon > Akatorimon > Sinduramon > Zhuqiaomon, I know you were going for Armor Adults but since you mentioned Lopmon's official line I think it was worth to mention this one too.
A this is a Theme who also picked my Interest. I always wanted to know which evolution Line the Devas would have. Especially the Champion Level and Mega Level.
At one point I tried to make digivolution lines for the devas as if they were partners but gave up halfway through because I ran out of ideas XD
I also thought Tapirmon to Boarmon to Vikaralamon would work great and that Pegasusmon & Quetzalmon could digivolve to Indaramon and Sandiramon.
And I think I settled on Dinotigermon as a Mega for Mihiramon too but wasn't very satisfied with it for the reason that Mihiramon would lose its wings when it digivolves, but i couldn't find a fitting mega that kept them. I lot of the Devas have really specific designs that don't transition smoothly into megas in general...
I kinda want Mikemon as Mihiramon's champion.
I was pretty proud of myself for the idea of ChuuChuumon to Oppossumon to Kumbhiramon, even if Opossumon's not really a rodent/mouse.
I think Apemon would be another good choice the Champion between Monmon and Makuramon.
Your Pillomon to Sheepmon to Pajiramon line is pretty galaxy-brained if you ask me ^^
Ah yes the all but one Sovereign making an appearance in Adventure 02. Though to be fair they were added to the Digimon list of characters on a small sheet of paper featuring new Digimon toys that was released with the Adventure 02/Season Two characters at the time by Bandai, along with the armour Digimon.
Vajramon to Sleipmon is a line that makes a lot of sense to me, centaur-like creature with red shining armor
Karn writing a brand-new series with Deva/ sovereigns digivolutions... I'd watch it maybe it could be set in an alternate 02 season
Haha I am tempted!
@@Karn_EX please do I think it would be awesome
Tangentially related, but this made me realize that Sagittarimon would make for a great Kentaurosmon pre evo.
I can't decide wether its funny or sad that your idea for Vikaralamon is one of the closest things Tapirmon had to a proper evolution line for the longest time. I had the exact same idea but in reverse between both it and Mammothmon., for the exact same reasons. :P
Even with the existence of Baluchimon I still like boarmon as a champion for Tapirmon. Its also much closer from a taxonomic perspective.
I think good champion for Kumbhiramon instead of Prairiemon could be Opposumon.
Also Bryce done great job.
Opposumon is also a fun pick I considered! I wanted to keep the claws which is why I ultimately went Prairiemon
Love your lines for the Devas and sad that they canceled the last Tamers movie RISE OF THE DEVAS, which according to one of the artist was supposed to be a complete back story of the monster makers and how their project evolved and began it's evolutionary path
Was Karn EX-mas already a thing? I feel like that should have been a thing before.
I'm loving all of your videos, and watching you has reignited my interest in Digimon. Keep up the great vids, and I can't wait to see more custom art pieces that you help to direct.
It was a good video
A thing that I will like to see is the five beasts as warrior type digimons with animal thematic armor and weapons, I think that those forms will put on a equal foot to the 13 knights in terms of power
Lopmon my fave alongside Terriermon 🥺 peak design
I decided to start building some digimon lines in dnd, just for fun
In terms of abilities, Diablomon might actually be a nice Mega for Kumbhiramon, given how they both make copies of themselves. That being said, Anubimon does at least have a slight resemblance with the wings, so makes for a more natural-looking pick.
Can you give the bio hybrid characters from data squad partners?
I made a Leopardmon/Mihiramon evolution line to test out a Digimon TTRPG recently. The line was Nyaromon> Plotmon> Mikemon> Mihiramon> Leopardmon. I think the colours and stripes, particularly the shared colours between Nyaromon and Mihiramon / Mikemon and Leopardmon, work very well personally. Mikemon to Mihiramon is also reminiscent of the connection between Gatomon and SaberLeomon, so Gatomon could be a good swap for Mikemon if you prefer its aesthetics.
Would someone explain Fangloungmon to me, whenever I see it’s picture I can tell it’s presiding over the sovereigns but that’s ALL I can say for sure, and reading up is stuff confusing me because I can be a tad stupid sometimes, any help would be appreciated
These were good choices but I could see Panjiromon’s Mega being AncientMegatheriumon since it does have a bit of Sheep/Goat look to it and Mihiramon’s mega could be Leopardmon as it is based on a big Cat and keeps the Wings it has and Sinduramon’s Champion could be ThunderBirdmon as they are both Electric using Birds.
I want a monkey and a pig Mega badly so we can complete those lines cuz for a monkey Mega I keep having to substitute in Gankoomon and qlsobhaving to use SkullMammothmon due to no others working keeps being a thorn in my side when I make lines lol
Yeah the only other options are the Etemons but they're technically *not* monkeys haha
Mihiramons Mega Level i would either choose Duftmon Leopard Mode or Apollomon. Dinotigermon i hope to see in the next Game or in the Anime.
if the devas had been alive it would have evolved to its final stage with the help of Calumon
I think its lit how the devas were made a think also lopmon is kinda adorable i wont lie
I didn't think about about this since digivolution is crazy. So I guess they can work but at the same time it could be an issue
You could make the sovereign's digimon's all DNA digivole together right❗❓ that would make a great video right❓🎥😁🌟✌👍