THE PEUGEOT - Steel is Real - 80s Aero French Bicycle
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- My Peugeot PH10L from 1982 -ish. I bought this beat up steel bicycle for 30 bucks then put thousands of miles on it after fixing it and sourcing parts. In this video I talk a bit about the history of Cycles Peugeot and my specific model. Carbolite 103 frame, helicomatic freewheel hub, Simplex derailleurs - very French bicycle right when things were starting to go standard. Its my baby - I love it no matter if it does gather some dust for a few weeks or months these day. I believe this bike was also branded as the "Tourmalet" after the Col du Tourmalet which is the highest paved mountain pass in the French Pyrenees(often used in the Tour de France).
French bicycles can be a pain if your goal is to upgrade them - this one is just modern enough that keeping it mostly original with minor upgrades hasn't been too hard. In future videos I will get more into truly modernizing vintage frames.
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The bike I now ride the most is my neo-retro build of a Trek 500 with Shimano 105 9 speed. Check that bike out! ua-cam.com/video/Gh96Qwd2KII/v-deo.html
Everything on this bike is very visible every name every number but I am missing one pedal LOL my brother took it off and put it on another bike not knowing what this bike is even the lizard skin on the bike the wrap very good condition you can even still see the name on the seat. Avocet touring 2
My dad bought this bike before he went to school in 1884. I fawned over that bike my entire life because there was always a reason why I couldn’t ride it. Just the other day he gave me the bike and I have made it my mission to bring it back to life. They may not be the most incredible bike but to your point there is just something about them that makes them gorgeous.
Awesome - great story. My first vintage bike and French bike was my Dad’s Motobecane - it always hung in his garage and I finally one day had the nerve to ask for it. That is what led me down the vintage bike “path”!
I’m 67 now and I had it since the 80’s. I ride it all over and it’s more than what I need. The bike just glides.
I have two Peugeots from that era one has the exact paint scheme as yours really enjoy them they are very nice bikes
Yeah - even an inexpensive one like this rides great!
Sometimes I stumble across a UA-cam channel that might not be very big or well known relative to others but the presentation style of this channel is top notch. Great vid!
Thanks so much! It started as my lockdown project to try and up the video/audio skills.
I have an early 70’s Peugeot u09 and have modded it a good bit with indexed down tube shifters, converted 10 to 14 speed, new wheels with 35mil tires. Still would like to upgrade the brakes and levers one day but I love riding it the lugs on the frame and graphics are so beautiful
Nice that you were able to fit 35s! I put the widest tires on my vintage bikes they can handle. Drop a link to a photo if you have one somewhere - I would love to see it!
I own two Peugeot's. The first was my HS graduation gift, a 1988 12 speed Marseille and then later I picked up a 1989 14 speed PH10LE Tourmalet. Both came with Shimano hubs and SIS index shifting, front crankset, seat stem, handlebars, brakes etc are all french made. My Tourmalet was recently upgraded with modern Mavic 700c aero wheels and Shimano 105 brakes. I use it for my daily 20 mile workouts and also for long 40+ mile rides. GREAT BIKE!
oh yeah - much nice bikes with more modern tech than my humble Peugeot!
I;m thinking of doing the same with mu Pug. But can;t source cheap used 700c wheels
Every time I ride mine I’m so happy. I have mine all original still.
I had in mind this idea of get a classic steel frame and start a project of an old school frame with modern components. Some weeks ago I visited a bike repair store and the topic came out in the conversation with the owner. Suddenly, the guy went to the back store and came back with a frame just like this: Carbolite 103, just the frame and fork and he gave it to me. "Just show me the bike when you finish it", he told me. Probably the thing was collecting dust and wasting space for a while. I have already sanded and spray painted it with decent results for a back yard paint job. I've been putting some love on it. Maybe I'll use Shimano 105 groupset.
I built a Trek 500 from the same year with Shimano 105 (9 speed). I love the neo-retro builds. I'm not 100% sure because things started to change around that era - but do some research on the bottom bracket threading - if it is French you won't be able to put a regular Shimano BB in there(or any modern BB) - but Velo Orange and a few other companies make threadless options. Also - the spacing is tight on the rear - I was able to put a modern wheel in the Peugeot but I did have to pull it wider. There are some good videos on how to properly spread a steel rear triangle though if you want to take time and do it the right way.
@@TimFitzwater I've already cold opened the rear space (from 120mm to 130mm) and make sure of alignment with strings. Also aligned the dropouts. Thank you for the bottom bracket advice! I didn't have that in mind. I'll check that!
I tried to research the BB's again and could still find nothing about the Carbolite 103 frames(even on Sheldon Brown) - seems like the threadless options would be easiest - I really should take mine apart to find out and give it a rebuild/regrease.
@@gustavoguidor156 there’s another UA-cam channel called “RJ the bike guy” and I done the same exact thing he did in his video on how to cold set the chain stays from 126mm to 130mm using a 12” long 3/8” bolt, a couple washers and nuts. I also built the tools using carriage bolts to check the dropout alignment afterwards. And it worked perfectly on my PH10LE. I also upgraded all components to Shimano 105. They just dropped right in. Lol modern gearset/brakes/700c Mavic cosmos aero rims on a bike from 1989!
Crazy things happen. I picked up the exact same bike today. Same color and it appears to be all original. Excellent video. I have a lot to learn.
Oh wow - that is awesome. Link a photo when you have one! ...and if you ever have any questions about it feel free to reach out.
Hey thx. I sent you a pic on Instagram.
Two weeks ago a friend gave me a peugeot 12 speed french racing bike. Everything is original built on light aluminum frame. Even have the original Michelin tires on it. It races great. He hasn't ridden the bike in 20 years. Works great.
Nice! Sounds cool. Can't believe the original tires are ok(well, really make sure they are - dry rotted tires can be sketchy!!).
@@TimFitzwater They do have slight micro cracks and cracks. The tires do but still holding no dry rot plus the tubes hold air. Rides like a dream. Have to replace two screws the height and low adjustment screws.
My dad has an old rih bike. He bought it new when he was 18. Im 20 now and always was so cool in me eyes, so i restored a Peugeot bike from ‘78. Now we can bike together in a style that is a bit forgotten
That’s awesome! Love to hear it!
I had the same exact one that's shown. I got it from a friend and was brand new out of the box It was a 1985 Peugeot p8.
Carbolite 103 tubing? I thought they stopped using that by 85?
@@TimFitzwater oh sorry I meant they discontinued the peugeot P8 model sorry
LOVE this video this is my category of cycling! I’m not a retro grouch either I know more modern tech is more efficient but I do ride a TON with downtube shifters both index and friction and yea toughing it out in your gearing winds up making you faster it’s weird but so cool and fulfilling.
Thanks! Yeah - I love my modern shifting when riding gnarly or new terrain - but I still do appreciate being good at riding friction. Something about having to be more in tune I think.
awesome video. really like the history part. amazing that with $40 bike you can go as fast as a $4000 bike, isn't it?
Juan Araque thanks! For sure - people get so hyped on tech when it is still mostly in the legs!
@@TimFitzwater These bikes were no joke back in the day and everyone wanted one
Great segment. I have the same bike only in blue. I upgraded the rims and shifters to brifters, made it a 1x9, put some knobbier 30’s on it and use it as my “gravel” bike. I currently have 5 older Peugeots and love them all. You got lucky on that seat post! That’s my one gripe about these old Peugeots..
Nice! I have a Peugeot with the same paint scheme in blue too - its a cheaper model than this though. I made mine a bit of a gravel bike also with flat bars though - just to do something different. Yeah - old French bikes can be a pain in the ass to upgrade - different BB too.
I love my Peugeot carbolite! I am converting it to fixed gear, but I enjoyed it in its original form for many miles. I love to see your passion for this bicycle!
Thanks! They are definitely underrated bikes. Drop a link to a photo when you get it built up - I’d love to see it!
When I was a 8 or 9 year old kid, my Pops bought my older brother a Peugeot 10 speed. This was in the early 70's, and none of us has ever had a 10-speed road bike before. This one came with Quick Release's. We must have brought that bicycle back 5 times to the dealer complaining that the wheel was loose, before we figured out how the QR's worked. I had a Schwinn Orange Crate, which was cool, but still used to ahem... 'borrow' the Peugeot and ride around. I also damn near killed myself on several memorable occasions, as the Peugeot was far too big for me to ride safely. It's amazing we survived.
This is a great video and a great build. I'm working on my project £20 BSA road bike rn finding original parts is definitely tricky but I'll persevere!
Side note: I don't know why Americans struggle so much when pronounceing Peugeot. It's not a Poo-joe but a Pe-uh-joh.
Nice!
We don’t struggle with the way we say it - we say it the way it’s said in America.
So good. I had a road bike (giant TCR- bought at 15, with all my cash, raced/tris, was graduating from my dad’s Puch) the tcr was stolen, got a Masi with the horizontal dropout, built up, stolen (LA😂). Then before some friends bought me a Surly Steamroller a buddy let me ride his Peugeot (single speed). Brought me right back to the Puch days. Since, my son inherits the Surly and I build an 80/90s Davidson Impulse white with a splash of green paint. It’s great steel and having ridden quite a few different set ups my experience on that bike parallels your description here. It’s my one bike (kinda), cause the Steamer is a great winter sled (having moved from LA to Minnesota) you kinda need two here!
Nice! (except for them getting stolen of course). I had a Puch Alpina - it was beautiful and had a full Shimano 600 groupset. I just wasn't riding it and it wasn't sentimental like my Peugeot has become so I sold it to a friend. Definitely need multiple bikes in NorthEast Ohio too. I needed my studded tires for most of the winter!
I have the exact same bike. It’s so light and fast
Great little summary on th history of Peugeot!
Glad you liked it!
Thanks! Working on a French Follis☺️ Born in Cuyahoga County, crazy..Vancouver Washington now🌲
I just read the Wikipedia page on Follis - somehow wasn’t familiar with them - and I’m a pretty big Francophile! I see they were made in Lyon and I spent a couple days there and loved that city - actually saw an awesome Peugeot there in a shop window with the coolest chainring ever. What city are you from? I was born in Parma Heights in Cuyahoga County. flic.kr/p/26AborX
Internally routed cable? That's really cool. I always thought it was pronounced Pugot but I like it. It has the side pull brakes, I always liked center pull. I just picked up a rack so I can work on my bike without flipping it upside down and damage the brake cables which I just replaced. A rack makes it so much easier to work on the bike. Have a great day man, happy riding.
I'm sure the British say Pugot but the French don't.... Center pulls are nice when dealing with fenders too - but I hate adjusting them! Yeah - work stands - even cheap ones are awesome - I put a second home made one by my back door for quick clean up and lubing.
@@TimFitzwater The number on the bottom of my bike is KS149010. Not sure it represents.
@@TimFitzwater The laugh is on me because Miyata WAS a Japanese manufacturer I just discovered. They came out with a car called the Miata. How about that, I learned something today, lol.
@@johnnycee5179 That definitely sounds like a serial number - have to see if there is any resource out there.
@@TimFitzwater The "K" is for Katakura, the "S" is for pre 75 (71-73), I think an "I", not a 1, is next representing last digit of year so it's 71, then the 4 represents month with January being 1, February 2 and so on until December being L. Last 4 digits are manufacturing or frame number of that month and year. So it's the 9,010 frame produced in April of 1971, manufactured in Katakura, sold by American Eagle in the USA. I'm pretty sure that is right. I found a Nishiki data base like you mentioned.
"I do find myself shifting less, though." Hahaha! It took me a long time to switch my bike's (indexed) down tube levers to Campy Ergopower, and when I did, man, I just shifted up a storm! On the Peugeot U08 I had as a kid, I hardly ever shifted. I'm not sure I ever got good at it. Great video and a great memory!
Thanks! The vintage bikes are still fun - just maybe it's better to stick to the flat, long, paved paths!! My buddy Wes(that I rode with last week) is still rocking an all original UO8. 😎
Nothing beats a 'frankenbike' nice rebuild.
I just picked up the PH12 Centennial frame. Now you have thinking about the seat post.
Nice! Yeah - good luck on that!
Thanks for the video man! I just got gifted one exact same color and I've been trying to figure out the year and all that. It's a work in progress but obviously some one put some different rims and derailer on in. Would love to make it a more town style with swooped bars that classic
I believe this color was just the one year.
Good luck with the build!
soon to be a collectable
I have had a few Peugeot bikes. I loved them. My last bike was the touring bike La Vega Bond. If i recall....
They ran the gamut. But I love that old French stuff no matter what
Nice job putting the Peugeot together! 30 bucks was a bargain for this classic.
I'm a little annoyed with myself because I lost that scrapper's phone number somehow....but I did get three bikes for a total of less than 100 bucks before I did!
This video has all the answers that I needed. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
@@TimFitzwater unfortunately I missed out on a sweet deal, but I got an even better one. A 1974 Schwin Vasity for $30, and it's mostly original. The front wheel and tire have been replaced, it's missing 3 reflectors, and the seat was replaced. It has a Specialized bottle cage to somewhat match the opaque blue color. I've been working on it all day to bring life back into it. The stem has some bad pitting from rust, but it looks a hell of a lot better now. Most of the chrome throughout the bike is almost back to mirror finish. Couldn't pass up on it for 30 bucks.
another great vid.Liked the Peugeot history segment.
Thanks - I just need to work on my pronunciations!
Nice work Tim keep it up. It's nice to get some history in your videos.
Thanks!
I owned a Peugeot in the early 80s as well!
Nice!
The struggle is real...how to fit yourself and the bike in the same frame! Very cool bike and great video. If I could find a cheap frame, I would be interested in doing a neo-retro Italian bike.
Ha-for sure! Your definition of "cheap" will come into play with Italian bikes - its kind of the reason I don't have one. I've always wondered why the Italian brands didn't jump on the 70s bike boom. There really isn't a cheap Colnago. It seems eventually that Bianchi did start making more run of the mill bikes(still do) but the rest of the brands for the most part stuck with the high end. I've always likened Colnago's(which I would love to own) to Leica cameras - anyone who bought one knows they bought one and they are extremely rare as cheap garage sale or flea market finds....
You are making great content. Keep it up!
Thanks so much!
Great video. I actually have the exact same bike. Looking to bring it back to running condition.
Awesome - link a photo when you get it going!
I had a burgrundy one with the decals like that.It was a good bike even though in my tender youth I mercillessly hammered it into the ground.Bent the forks in an accident and just lowered the brake blocks to reach the rim in its new twisted position!Oh how I miss that bike:)
Oh wow - thats nuts you kept riding it!
Just Bought Today A 1983 Fuji Monterrey
27" in Mint Cond🚴♂️💪
Thank's For Sharing
Nice Peugeot Look Alike
The Fuji
Nice! I’ve never had a Fuji but I have a couple friends that love theirs.
@@TimFitzwater i Like The huge Big Frame i Got It In Mint Cond Red.
Well Least I Got One Old School
And like New.Thank's For Sharing🙏
I found same brand new like the one shown. It was manufactured in 1985. That had the Helicomatic and was a 13 speed.
13? That has to be a typo?
Beautiful bike .
Thanks!
Ha! I have an ‘80’s Peugeot AND a Viscount too! We’re twins!The Peugeot is my only 80’s ride. It’s a Triathlon.
Nice! You have excellent taste ! 😎
Just saw this video.I have a PH 501 I recently purchased and enjoy riding it, though the helicomatic hub has been replaced.
Nice! From what I’ve read it’s amazing mine lasted as long as it did. I just picked up another Peugeot that I built up completely different- hoping to make a video about it this week.
I have one that says Peugeot 103 with lizard skin wrap. It looks like they used his bike for racing but that's all I know on it and it is in very good condition
So the 103 is the steel it is made out of and not the name of the bike. They aren't worth a bunch but they are fun to ride.
Okay thank you very much and is there any other way that I can find out any information about it
@@tk3realtalk265 Peugeots can be a bit tough because they rarely have names on them. I Google the old catalogs. The used that steel mostly in the early 80s.
I just bought somethimg very similar.
Nice ..
Thanks for sharing 👍
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I recently got into repairing bikes and found the exact frame for 30€
Great job 👍. Bravo from Greece 🌞...
Thanks!
Cello tape (the most recognizable being Benotto) was popular because it was sexy, cheap, and it came in a thousand colors, so you could find something just right for you bike. If you didn't like once it was on the bike, a few bucks bought you your next attempt.
I definitely agree with the "sexy" - I think it looks very cool - especially when the colors really match. It still seems weird to me that bar tape that isn't comfortable or grippy would be popular. Then again everyone was also riding on ridiculously skinny tires back then!
@@TimFitzwater I'm sure to some extent, it fell under the "manly" umbrella that cast it shadow over many things back then. I remember it as a time when we were denied water during August football practices, to "toughen" us, and I road with people who didn't carry a water bottle for the same reason. Just a small reminder, that as a species, we are evolving.
Cool bike! Where 1986 road bikes natively 700c already?
When sold for the US market they usually out 27 inch rims on them - that’s what these are. Only true race bikes would usually get the 700c’s
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Back in 1976-78 I had a Kabuki and beat an older guy on my block who had a Peugeot in a short 1 mile race, due to luck and a lot of determination. He was so pissed and embarrassed, all he did was talk about how his 23lb Peugot was so much better than my Japanese 30lb bike, so he challenged me to a 5mile race, which I declined. I begged my parents to buy me a Peugeot, but they would not spend $500 on a bike. Now I have a Trek Damone AL 5 as I refuse to spend more than $2k on a bike. Lol
Great story.
I don't even have a modern road bike - I prefer to ride my "gravel bike" more these days. Our roads aren't that nice - much better to hit cracks and potholes with some wider tires.
Nice bike! I have a similar vintage PH501, same geometry. Don't you love the handling & ride quality? I think these are special, and I am a lifetime old hard-core. You got a good deal!
Yeah - I’ve always been amazed at how nice this bike feels - especially since the tubing isn’t even that nice. What color is your 501? Those are super cool!
It is a dark maroon. 86 maybe. I got it free as scrap with no wheels. I modded it to a commuter. Turned downtube levers into cable stops, went triple cranks, original front deraileur still worked! Used commuter bars & old Schwinn Weinman brake levers. I confess to obsessing on the build a couple years long ago.. But no regrets. Yours looks great! I will try to send a picture soon. Watch for rust! Put some rust killer in your tubes!
Awesome!
Cool
I own a PH12 Centennial and the tubing used is Carboprofil 103, it's the same Carbolite 103 steel but aero shaped downtube, seat tube, seatstays and chainstays. Downtube shifters are brazed on top of the downtube, and the shift cables run inside the downtube and exit down by the bottom bracket. Rear brake cable is internally routed and the handlebar is internally routed as well. I've got the original aero bottle and cage as well. Neat stuff for 1982 and using steel, not aluminium or carbon fibre.
Same here though, can't get myself to change the original handlebar tape, however mine is in very good condition but utterly useless bar tape.
Oh awesome! I did see one on a classified ad site once but it was in way to poor condition for the price they wanted. I offered more than I even wanted to pay and they turned it down. Have you seen this video? He even has the water bottle! ua-cam.com/video/yLmzCqc1jM0/v-deo.html
@@TimFitzwater Yes I have, he did a great job restoring it, all things considered. I was fortunate to find one in extremely good condition, all original, even tyres, brand new original clipped pedals, original groupset etc. Only replaced the brake blocks as the original ones were petrified.
I have to admit that it wasn't cheap.
For whatever reason all Peugeots maintained in very good condition fetch a pretty penny regardless of model.
@@cosinus_square Bikes are interesting in that way - since a large amount of people like to ride but don't know anything about them. I think the general public think of "Peugeot" as cool and French and don't realize they made high end race bikes, to nearly the cheapest/heavy things possible and everything else in between. I guess it would be like "Fender" to people who don't know about guitars. There are $150 Fenders & $1500 Fenders.
@@TimFitzwater Very true. However saying that Peugeots are cheap low quality bikes (like a comment below) is like saying today that all carbon bikes with proprietary parts and press fit bottom brackets are scrap, because they crack easily and the bb's are constantly creaking.
You got what you paid for back then and you get what you pay for now.
One thing is certain though, Peugeots are and will be cool bikes.
@@cosinus_square Yup! I love my Peugeot not because it has any value - but because I've had 4000 miles of fun on it!
I have the same bike! Cool video
Thanks - I love it! I’ve never seen one like it around here but when I was in France I saw a few of them in Paris. Mostly in a really awesome red color.
Found the exact one on offer up for $60 all original.
Nice!
This is like my bike😊
Nice!
my Older Brother Had one just like that but he top me it was a 1985 Peugeot P8
One of my riding buddies had a yellow one that he loves.
Brought a Peugeot Rennard in 88 When I was on my 3rd tour in Germany. Had ridden extensively their in the early 80's. Germany is a fantastic bike country. Much of country has bike lanes and very strict laws. Hit somebody on a bike and you will pay. Never feel safe riding in U.S.!
I have a friend serving in Germany right now and he has been loving the riding!
Nice video... enjoyed your story you got a new subscriber
Thanks man! Been watching your channel for a long time!
@@TimFitzwater Thanks, well Im sure ill be watching some of yours now buddy
Hey Great video! What tires did you use for this build? I've got a similar bike I'm trying to fix up too!
Thanks! Right now it has Panaracer Pasela's on it - 32mm.
Cool vid....Is that the drive thru in Clinton @ 4:25?
Yup!
I say "POO"geot too. I was corrected by an actual French person that the proper pronunciation is "PAY"geot. Well, I think "POO"goet is way better, so I just hope we stick with that.
I like to really annoy the purists with that - no intention to change!
Linda a bike parabéns 👏👏👍
I almost sold my Peugeot! It’s a touch small but keeping it (old bikes don’t count in the n+1 equation right?)
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Hello Tim, I just bought a Peugeot carbolite 103 corbier Frame, 1986, or 1977. Possibly you can tell me where i can get information about the the rims & wheels size, and what means the number under the frame: “ Y 602 3 1977 “, Thanks
They sold them in the US with 27 inch and Europe with 700c - either should work because they are so close - you just need to make sure the brakes you buy align with the rims. I've converted a number of bikes from 27 to 700 with no trouble.
I've got to ask what sized tires are you using on your Peugeot. Nice short simple vid as well.
Thanks! Believe it or not it fits 32mms fine. For a bike from that era with an aero geometry that is surprising - and my body thanks me on the not very nice roads around here.
@@TimFitzwater thanks for the answer. 32mms is really quite big for this era of bikes. Once again great video.
Top sua bike parabéns 👏👏👍
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Great start to the year!
How about Peugeot course..I have one.made in france 12 speed.such a quality bike
Yeah - those are rad. I would like to score a nicer Peugeot at some point.
The "Course" is a great bike. I have a couple of those in "3-Tube Reynolds 531". The sizing, and maybe the geometry changed, at least in France, in 1979. Before then, the "3-tube Reynolds 531" Peugeot was the PR-10, which was a great all-around bike. They became the PKN-10 in France in 1979, with new sizing, and new decals
I the same bike at home but a black one
Is the crank set up that already that on the bike will be ok doing climbing hills and long groups ride or is it to heavy ?
I am sure not a 105 crank set or something close too it .
There wouldn't be any Shimano originally on a bike like this as Peugeot only used French parts back then. Simplex, Huret etc. Depending on the year it could be switched for that though - just look out because French threading is different. ITs not too heavy for climbing or group rides - it is just on the heavier side compared to expensive race bikes. No one is ever dropping me when I ride this.
Damn he purchased a PX for $30??? I purchased a 70’s UO for $100! I live in California where everything is mad expensive...
The guy was a scrapper just saving a bike from the heap - I couldn’t believe the price either but he didn’t pay anything for it - had a full yard of bikes. He really just wanted someone to be riding it!
whoa! Is that a C stand bike stand? I've tried a roller stand but it didn't work out so good. What are you using to clamp it?
Yes - with a sandbag for counter balance. The clamp is a Manfrotto one - not sure exactly what they are called. Never clamp down tight on a top tube though - if they are butted that is their weakest point. I have t by the door now for quick Winter cleaning. I'm lucky I have a floor drain down there.
Today I got literally the same bike for free should I sell it or restore what do you think was it hard to find parts, I mean only tires need to change and brakes
The only value in a bike like this is to ride it. You won't get much for it.
Any brakes or tires will work so I'd do that and ride it. If you get into anything deeper you have to deal with French standards which are different than modern sizes.
Do you know what type of bottom bracket a 1987 Marseille is. It has a Canadian market on the frame near the rear hub.
By ‘87 I would guess it would be a standard English bb - should work with anything modern - but I can’t guarantee it.
@@TimFitzwater thanks again
what tires do you have on that bike? ( I also have a 103 (black one) )
The are 32mm Panaracers - but I’m not at home now and can’t remember the specific ones exactly (will add that info when I get back). Peugeot made a number of models out of their Carbolite 103 tubing - I believe they were all early 80s. Great ride quality even if it is a bit heavier than Reynolds.
Although i'm a Fan of steel bikes, i wonder if these bikes from 70s 80s are actually pretty bad ones. In contrast to the 90s, where quality climbs higher and higher on steel bikes.
So tell me please: what is good about these 'really' old racers?
This is a cheap one as mentioned. What’s good about it is it cost me $35 originally and I put 5000 miles on it. (And it is still goi g strong)
I disagree that every 90s bike would be better than every 70s bike.
For one / many 90s bikes have no tire clearance- it was the era that they believed super skinny tires were faster(they aren’t ).
There are amazing bikes from all eras. Top end steel tubing hadn’t changed all that much from the 70s to the 90s and I’d say the difference between a 70s or 90s Colnago wouldn’t be as much as someone might think.
For Peugeot, it's the geometry. By the mid 70s, the geometry for these bikes had been fine tuned for 70 years or so from input by professional riders training and riding in the Tour de France -- all over France, in all different types of terrain. Even the Carbolite 103 bikes ride very well when they're optimally maintained, or refurbished with higher end components. As the years progressed, bike geometries got more aggressive, until you had weekend warriors trying to mount a time trial bike. If you get an old Peugeot, redo the wheels, put on GOOD tires (25mm or 28mm) with the proper tire pressure, new cables, properly adjusted, and totally tuned up, you will enjoy the ride. I've had over a dozen Peugeots (still have about a dozen) -- from the cheap tubing all the way up to the (real) PX-10s, and PY-10s, and, properly tuned, they all ride wonderfully. However, don't expect much in the way of finish. Peugeots do not have good polish, but of all my bikes (20 or so) from a modern Trek carbon fiber all the way down to a 1966 PX-10, the Peugeots are among my favorites for daily rides. Edited note: all of my vintage bikes were bought in France. They are not the export versions.
what is the size of the tire? is it a size 27 or 700c rims?
27x32mm
Hi my name is Patches and I am taking care of my mother She is elderly with Alzheimer's So I'm gonna start riding my bicycle with my little dog and there's no trails here do you make your own or what
I mean - you can use Google maps and make your own -or just try to plot routes on more chill roads. It just takes practice to find good routes
Wondering if I told you the bike I have if you could confirm it's year of make.
I might be able to - I usually have a pretty good idea. The best thing would be if you could link to a decent photo with the drive side facing the camera.
@@TimFitzwater photos.app.goo.gl/6h6gxLvq5VTuyGxT9
Ok, this is the bike, ya know it's year?
@@johnnycee5179 hmmm - interesting - is that a Japanese bike? A Miyata? Parts of it make me thing late 60's but other late 70s. I'm going to show it to my friend who I am riding with tomorrow - I think he will know. Very cool looking regardless!
@@TimFitzwater lol, Miyata? You mean Miata? That's a Japanese car and I have that too, a 91. It's a Nishiki Olypiad and yes it's made in Japan. I have traced the rear derailleur down to being a Shimano Eagle SS model DE 310 released in 1971. The pulleys are marked with a 333 on them. Dork disk also is marked 333. I'm figuring it's between a 1971-1973 but Shimano came out with the Eagle ll in I think 73, maybe 72.
@@johnnycee5179 Ha! I'd blame auto-correct but that would be a lie.... I did guess Japanese though! Seems you have it pretty narrowed down which might be the best you can do. If there is a serial number on the bottom bracket shell you might be able to get the exact date if someone has a Nishiki database online. I've had/have bikes where the groupset and frames are not the exact same year or even what was shown in the catalog.
This was an expensive bike for that period...remember brother wanted one and paid a princely sum for it only to have stolen...:-(
i dont know if im fond of these are manic about them i have 8 and owned my first that i still have to this day since 1972 its a px-10 full touring package loaded out with everything including the original generator with front and rear lights
nice!
You could always sand down a seat post
Sure - not my preferred method.
Las bici antiguas și pară toda la vida las nuevas son pară ocaziones
¡exactamente!
Do Peugeot have Italian or English threading on the bottom bracket.
That era is actually French threaded. At some point they did switch to English - mid-80s? Most you find will be French though.
@@TimFitzwater thanks. My father in law has a peugeot and I was thinking about updating his bottom bracket.
Velo Orange has press for bottom brackets that will work and actual French threaded ones. Check those options out!
What is the diameter of seathost tube?
French bikes are between 26.2 -26.6 1982 and before. You never know for sure - I had to shim mine with a beer can and I don't have precise enough calipers to really measure it.
I was about to sell mine for $100 record du mondo corse all original
how heavy is the bike? 25lb or like a 30lb? I have a raleigh and im thining aobut switching to a 1980s peugeot
This one is probably about 26 lbs. the thing with both Raleigh and Peugeot is they were massive companies that made everything from high end race bikes to department store boat anchors. Also worth thinking about is that a lot of Peugeot’s used French standards that make them hard to upgrade with modern parts - the Raleighs will be way more standard. I love French bikes and have 4 - but they are definitely more of a challenge to deal with.
@@TimFitzwater do you know how much a raleigh grand prix weights? I have someone offering me on without the gear levers, seat, and pedals for $20
I have pedals, and a seat, so I just need to put the gear lever and wire on it
.. not sure if its a good deal.. or I can get a 1980s stem-shifter peugot that is just missing a front wheel. everything else has been newly replaced for around 30-35$
Anything for those prices is a good deal! The only Raleigh I have is heavy but I found it on a curb! No idea on the Grand Prix.
Tim Fitzwater i have a Raleigh right now and it’s a little to big for me so I’m worried the grand prix might be too big too
Pliss,alguien me puede decir ,acabo de comprar una bici Peugeot 700 de carrera antigua,la estoy restaurando pero no se k edad tiene. Grax cualquier información,
¿Tiene una fotografía a la que pueda vincular? Una búsqueda en Google da como resultado un 700.
What kind of BB it has?
I'm not sure if Peugeot had switched to standard threading on their Carbolite frames or if it is still French - I have never taken it apart! (though I obviously should and regrease at this point)
I tried to research it again and I'm still not sure - the safest way to go would be to buy a Phil Wood or Velo Orange threadless one.
Looks like a 24inch frame
Its probably a 60cm
Me gusta mucio
$30 I’ll take it
😎
Ai liket și mici
You are Luke blaster for 30 $
Yeah - a steal!
Poo Joe?
As they say in France 🇫🇷! 😎
How about this, Peugeot's are, I'm sorry.. the worst assembled bikes of its era. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I'm doing these bikes daily. These cheap french bikes are the worst of the worst. Wake up fans.. after decades.. Newsflash .. Santa does not excist..and 80% of all Peugeots are garbage. This message might seem harsh but it's the truth, I'm sorry. They just wanted to make cash quick and fast, had a great marketing division who came up with lots of models and lots of fancy colors.. but your Peugeot bike is worth NOTHING. FACE IT. if you think otherwise try to get your bottom bracket out.. try to change your stem if it hasn't been broken already, or what about the state of your front fork? not bended right..uhu yeah.. etc. etc. I think it's the biggest bicycle scam ever.. and ya'll keep lovin it like.. man.. -_- whatever. I've never seen such a fan base of such an inferior manufacturer, C'est incroyable.. I got to give it to you Peugeot.. nicely done. ;).. and srry nice vid tho!!
I never try to claim this Peugeot has any value - in fact I say that it doesn’t. Peugeot, just like so many French manufacturers, pumped out bikes like crazy during the bike boom era. You are absolutely wrong that they didn’t make nice bikes too though. They made worse bikes than this and they made absolutely top of the line pro bikes. What you are trying to say would be like saying all Fender guitars are garbage- Fender puts their name on many garbage guitars - but has also made many of the most valuable guitars ever. Peugeot has been around since the 1800s and your statement is false. Yes - people think their UO-8’s are cool but they are boat anchors - but if they enjoy them so be it.
@@TimFitzwater Thanks for your reply, first of all after reading my comment again, I think I came out a bit too strong. ;) Also want to say that my Peugeot rant has nothing to do with you or your video('s) because I really like and appreciate your content! .. That having said and in response to your comment.. I think a companies culture, it's values and approach shines throughout the whole range of products. And my problem with Peugeot is that it clearly stood for lowest possible cost (poorly) produced products in combination with a hip marketing strategy and the uninspired mission of just making figures. I think aiming for low market segments isn't an excuse for making inferior products. You were talking about Fender, I've never owned one.. I do know that I'm very happy with my cheap Gibson ES replica which they produced under their budget brand Epiphone. Great value, can hardly distinguish the sound from the real one and even long time Gibson players love it. That's what I'm talking about, and that's how it should be. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that the list of flaws of Peugeot's is endless. The poor bendable steel, the unforged dropouts on most models, the weird incompatible sizes (25 mm seat posts, slightly narrower '1 inch' forks), the poor paint jobs, the stuck bottom brackets, breaking stems, the plastic dried out simplex derailers, the plastic cable stops on the levers that snap just like that, (And i'm lucky I'm riding in flat Holland, imagine going downhill the Mont Ventoux ;) etc. etc. I can go on and on. And I don't think it matters whether it are cheap low-end Peugeots or PX10's we're talking about.. The quality overall is way too poor and I think Peugeot failed as a bicycle manufacturer in general and their bikes are often dangerous, even when properly maintained. Nothing to celebrate, which of course doesn't mean you can't cherish your Peugeot.. And fair enough, it remains a part of bicycle history, just not a big fan as you've noticed ;) A Peugeot is always bad news and means trouble. 😬
@@vossi6303 I agree you make many valid points and I totally understand where you are coming from- but I still think that from the 60's through the early 80's those statements apply to many(most?) of the bike manufacturers - Gitane, Motobecane, Raleigh, Schwinn etc - it seems like only the Italian companies wouldn't go below a certain level of quality. I have a Gitane Tour de France - (which might as well be a PX-10) and with a decent overhaul is a nice bike - but yeah - you can tell how rushed it was thrown together originally. I have a friend who thinks his Peugeot is the shit - it is junk - but he isn't a bike nerd so I'm not going to rain on his parade. When I bought mine I thought the same thing - but now I know what a light weight Columbus tubing bike with a Campy gruppo feels like.... still - its nice to have something to chain up outside the bar. A "pub bike" as the Brits say. Anyways - Peugeot did have the money to innovate and seems they upped the quality of even the mid/entry level bikes throughout the 80s. ✌
It's not poo geot but per geot.
Nah - I’ll go with what the French say.
@@TimFitzwater Look up what the French say, per rather than Americans butchering pronunciation by saying poo.
@@13ig13oots I just rode across Ohio where many of the towns have European names. No one in the towns pronounce them in the European accent - that is how language works. You could say "Leemah" in Lima ("lime-ah") Ohio and everyone would just look at you like you are an idiot.