How about you take some responsibility for your own actions. If you can't disconnect shitty edgy humor on the internet from what's socially acceptable in the real world than that's on you.
lol my whole school threw the soft N at everyone and this was majority black & Hispanic school. Seeing him use the hard R was funny and absolutely nothing to get mad due to the context of the Tana video.
@@isyrkI think Charlie just has a different perspective or interpretation of what idubbz was apologizing for. Charlie obviously doesn’t get it. That doesn’t make him deserving of any accusations of racism. Not that you are accusing him of such things.
especially when Charlie is throwing out ‘greatest L of all time’, just to approach a highly nuanced situation with very little forethought. rare Critikal L
Right, even in this video he still doesn’t realize why the comments were disagreeing with the points he made with the previous video before and I’m glad to see people expressing their thoughts in the comment section.
Disagreeing is fine, opinions aren’t right or wrong and I feel like people are missing that point. Charley is merely making a conversation, and like he said- it is okay to have people disagree on his opinions. People asking critikal to make an apology just because they didn’t agree with what he said are taking it to the extremes lol
Dying on this hill is crazy especially since his past racist content has not affected you whatsoever. As someone who was in school during the 2016 racism arc it was hard to exist as a black person. Words do hurt no matter what anyone says
@@Schinzo__ yeah but he normalized and platformed this type of behavior for years and for a new audience of people, most people used to go out in the world with general respect for others, idubbz influenced people to go into the world with hate and animosity for people just because of skin color
@KittyPurry just cause idubbz called out racists doesnt change the fact that that he himself could possibly be one too. plus, his way of "calling tana out" was saying the n word in her face.. he really showed her ! 😭
I'm really glad to see the comments still not taking to agreeing charlies take just because its Charlie. I really hope he reads the comments because theres so many good points explaining the real issue. No one thought idubbbz was a bigot if they did he would have been cancelled years ago. We all knows he's apologizing for unintentionally fostering a hateful community
Nahh y'all are the reason tho y'all need to make everything us vs them y'all can't laugh at anything that's a you problem I promise you edgy humor ain't make no one racist but y'all are weird and like racism so you make everything about it
@@SavageGreywolf Nah, I will leave yelling racist slurs to idubbbz. Who knows? He might start again if he thinks it will make him popular again. Never liked his edgy humor, but Charlie is correct in this matter, intent matters. If intent doesn't matter, then some slurs are the least of our problem. If intent doesn't matter you're effectively taking part in child slave labor, genocide, death, and suffering.
As a black male I never thought HE was racist, but he normalized hate speech within his community whether it was intentional or not. I respect Charlie and respect his opinion on the matter, but unfortunately he lives in a reality that’s different from most minorities. He will never fully understand how these slurs impact people, and I don’t mean that in a hateful way. Being black I knew at an early age that my life wouldn’t be the same as most white peoples’ lives; thats just the current state we live in as a civilization (especially as an American). EDIT: Someone in the comments pointed out that Ian’s supporters would often say “its just words” in response to people criticizing his use of slurs and I distinctly remember that phrase appearing all the time in Ian’s comments section. The harsh truth is sometime its not just words, they can come from a rooted history of malice and oppression. These words represent the stereotypes that still continue in some ways to this day. They can represent generations of literal slavery, torture, and death not even exaggerating here. I’m not saying all nasty words should be banned or something, but people to need recognize these words come from somewhere. It was funny for Ian to spew them at the time because we knew they were taboo. So maybe we should ask ourselves WHY they became controversial phrases in the first place.
As someone who watched idubbz in middle school, his videos were 100% the reason i fell into the 'feminist owned, cringe compilation' 'facts don't care about your feelings' 'all lives matter' crap. The content young impressionable kids watch can have a major impact, and to undersell it does nobody any favors.
That's more the fault of the parents than it is Ian's. Ian wasn't making child-friendly or child-targeted content. The fact that kids watched and mimicked the content he made isn't his responsibility.
@SirBoomNPew what parent is going to be actively monitoring their 16 year olds youtube? Kids notoriously get into material that they probably shouldnt, earlier than they should. Ians content was one of those things, and it had a large enough negative effect on enough kids for this to be a pretty well known problem all over the place.
Newsflash, but hate and racism existed long before Idubbbz, like LONG before him. Idubbbz didn't a create a modern culture of hate. Politics did a much better job of that. Idubbbz's content simply attracted hateful people who already existed.
@@SciFyerGaming well obviously, everyone knows that--they're saying that he greatly influenced kids and teenagers becoming and acting more casually racist in the years he was actively creating content, whether that be online or in the real world. for comparison, andrew tate obviously didn't invent sexism and toxic masculinity, but to say he hasn't greatly influenced a subsection of (primarily) teenage boys and younger men due to his content would be a lie.
@@SciFyerGaming that doesn’t mean it’s okay to do dip shit💀💀 crazy how ANYONE can defend and condone this just cuz “it’s been a thing” shut yo goofy ass up.
he didn't create a culture of hate. racism and hatred existed well before 2016. it isn't even like he was the one who spread it on the internet, people have been racist on video games/the internet since it was first discovered.
He created a community of racism. Don't dumb it down to simply "hate" as if that's all it is. His community/fans follow behind what they think he believes. Making racist jokes gives the vibes that you are a fellow racist, which attracts racists to follow you and join your community
This is just a weird take. Of course he wasn’t the only person contributing, but he was one of the more popular ones. I think because you wouldn’t have been a target you maybe underestimate the impact it had. Also, this seems like something he did for his own peace of mind, not because there was a huge outcry for it. I rarely see people mention idubbbz at this point, this apology wasn’t expected. If the guy feels bad for who he used to be I think it’s a good thing that he addresses it and takes accountability. Will probably make him feel better.
I mean if he did it for his own peace of mind and for no one else then that's completely fine why would he post it on a public forum then? He didnt make it private either so it either seems disingenuous to some, or just shows how much some people are "chronically online" that they make everything they're going through public. Also, just as there are people who didn't go through it and thus their opinions might be not as much of value, there are people that went through it and werent affected as much. Does that invalidate them too? Why does it? Do you or any other person feel like ypu have more leverage to speak over others? Just some random questions it's not really targeted
@@willisstillhere8846 There are some things in life that are just objectively wrong for societal standards. Example, I'm sure a majority of people would agree bullying is wrong because they've experienced it and it has negatively impacted their lives. And maybe there's a minority of people who said it didn't affect their lives, cool their feelings are valid. But why would I listen to the people who aren't affected on the subject of if bullying is bad in comparison to those who have been affected? Is bullying suddenly justified and not bad because some people weren't hurt by it? No, because society deems bullying as wrong already, so those who have experienced it and weren't hurt by it are the outliers, and that's a good thing if they're truly fine after that, but that's not the standard.
I just think Charlie doesn’t realize the influence idubbbz had on kids during the height of his channel. I was his demographic during that time, 13-15, and a lot of his videos really warped my sense of humor. He normalized saying the n word for me, which I’m thankful I realized later that it wasn’t ok to say.
"i just dont see why its a big deal" says man who was not affected by any part of the situation. the fact that he felt the need to make the first video is really telling, and doubling down after being rightfully criticized really says something.
You absolutely don’t know that and it’s laughable you insinuate that. Any person alive could’ve been affected by Ian’s content. Being called the f-word back then you could attribute that to them hearing it in one of his videos and then saying it to someone else. At any rate, in the space that Ian is in of course he needs to distance himself from his past self because he needs sponsors and the like for what he is producing right now. Do I think that’s the only reason for it? No. I think he’s trying to get rid of the fans he’s stated multiple times not enjoying interacting with while also making amends with anyone he may have turned away. You immediately foamed at the mouth at the first sign of someone being a bigot and didn’t bother to think for a minute about everything as a whole there bud
@@Duuuuuuuuuuuude mean it’s indisputable that black people and gay people were far far more likely to be affected by an influential guy who was “ironically” racist or homophobic. I saw it with my own eyes, a lot, it was pretty tough for some of my black and gay buddies during the time where IDubbz was super influential. Charlie definitely doesn’t understand like somebody who got the N word thrown at them everyday does. It’s just true. And I ain’t foaming at the mouth or anything, but I have respect for the people in my life who were targeted directly because of IDubbz’s influence over shitty people. I just love my people, man.
He literally acknowledges that in the video that he didn’t consider the whole picture when it comes to that. Sounds like he put too much faith in people to not adopt and spread the culture
charlie also wasn’t in school when idubbz peaked. his videos caused so much casual racism and bullying, i mean shit, his ricegum disstrack was pretty much all that came out of the edgy kids’ mouths. i’m not american yet idubbz was still huge.
@@autumnfrost-art seems like your using idubbz as a scapegoat for peoples shitty behaviour. Unless you were taking his content out of context it really shouldnt have been influential for anyone with half a brain
@@4moly you are under the assumption that those kids were intending to be racist and hateful, rather than trying to be humorous in a very very normal way (shock content)
I really like that Charlie’s fanbase don’t have a hive mind and genuinely disagrees with Charlie when he’s wrong. It keeps him humble and doesn’t push a wrong narrative that most other major fanbases do
Don’t have hive mind? I can’t find anybody else who agrees with him. Sounds like hive mind to me. How people think the actions of others are something you can blame on somebody else is straight up baffling.
@@52BLUE Clearly I mean hive mind in the sense of ppl blindly agreeing with their fav content creator. How often do you see viewers disagreeing with the content creator on their own video
@@dixxiesk I formed this opinion on this situation long before I even listened to his take on it. Blaming idubbbz for what his followers do isn’t far off from parents trying to cancel video games because they’re influencing kids to be violent. Ridiculous.
@@52BLUE for real this whole comment section is a hive mind every comment is something along the lines of “As someone who was in school at the peak of idubbz career he taught me to swear and hurt my feelings, etc.”
Hes really harping on the hes not racist therefore he shouldnt apologize thing when hes making the community worse and he was like the #1 dark humor guy sure he didnt start it but he was the gateway to actual racism
He didn’t say idubbz should or shouldn’t apologize. He said idubbz shouldn’t feel extreme lifelong self hate about it. His wording was poor in the first (and arguably, second) video and definitely could be construed as such, I.e. the way he used the word “warrant”, but that was corrected
I really cannot believe Charlie missed the mark this far and STILL missed it now! Charlie...wtf man... It's not about if he was ACTUALLY racist, it's about how hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of teen boys turned around terrorized people with edgy bullshit. It was NOT okay just because it was a trend in 2016. It was not okay thenz it's not okay now. It needed to be called out then and be called out now.
Get over it. He wasn't out there burning crosses in yards he was making edgy jokes. How in the fuck do you people function online and in the real world with such thin ass skin?
So you would rather those boys just use conventional bullying rather than 2016 edgy bullying? Those people that used edgy bullying from 2016 were gonna bully everyone no matter what with whatever they could find.
Bruh. Litterally I grew up on his content and I never went terriozing people. I thought as a middle schooler it was funny but it wasn't something you should just be saying. Maybe I'm an anomaly but I feel like I should've been obvious you shouldn't just say that. Besides parents should monitor what their kids watch anyway if that's an issue. It's like blaming video games for mass shootings it's just stupid. You have to already have that factor of racism or hate before you pursue. I had that which from what I'm hearing is rare.
@@memecrusader_2123 your singular experience can’t be applied to millions of viewers. many people used idubzz content to rationalize and normalize racism and bigotry. it also led to people who DID agree with idbuzz take and we’re a part of the victimized groups to have some type of internalized self hate, wether that be internalized racism, homophobia, etc. you can see in the comments people explaining both of these things happening to them
The problem with his offensive content wasn’t that it was “lame and cringey”. The problem was the fact he was spreading hate in so many different ways. That’s the part you aren’t understanding.
idubbz said "its all or nothing" on what slurs are okay to say. he argued that using slurs is good actually. he directly encouraged using slurs and using disabled people, gay peoplw, trans people and poc as punchlines. thats not just edgyness. the fan interaction anecdote should have told you all you need to know about what kind of message he was putting out there for A FAN to believe he wouldn't like them due to being trans.
He said restricting them gives them more power, you're never going to stop them from being used and chimping out every time you hear one makes them more desirable to use due to this strong reaction. So actually his intent was to bloat their use into irrelevance (and to not treat black people like children). But I guess that's not the narrative you wanted to hear.
@@snerttt "none of it should be okay or all of it should be okay" is a direct quote. what i said doesnt contradict what he said, because he still said to use them. why did you even make this comment you just assumed i made some narrative without said narrative being in my comment lol
@Mr. Plasma the reason certain slurs arent said is because those are the ones which the people called them have had no say in until very recently. there's no use for those words when their whole point has been for an oppressor to demean the oppressed. they are gross words, riddled with the worst of human cruelty. the n word was used for decades yet it never lost meaning. this goes for other slurs as well. things tend to be complex and nuanced, so the phrase all or nothing cant be applied. theres a reason cracker is technically a slur but is socially acceptable. because america doesnt have a history of racism against whites. whites are by the very least economically more in power which can be traced to red lining, over-policing and generational poverty due to slavery, jim crow and red lining. thats all to say that slurs seriousness varies with their inherent power dynamics. think about why you dont want to listen to minorities thoughts on this matter unless they agree with you, and also why you want to use slurs so damn bad.
@@jae-ds2ot you are just making excuses to be racist if a word hurt a race of people don’t say it simple as that why would you want to say something that could make people sad because of what skin color they have systemic racism makes certain words worse to say it doesn’t make racism acceptable that’s the dumbest way to justify being racist to white people lmao
I first found Ian’s content when I was 10 years old. My friends and I would binge watch his videos and found ourselves saying slurs very comfortably. Watching his videos radicalized me and turned me into an awful person. I was very racist and edgy and thought gore was funny. I terrorized several people I used to be friends with and found justification in it from Ian’s content. Thankfully after I turned 15 I started to realize the harm I caused and changed, but I think you missed the point of how detrimental his content was to those of us who were much younger in 2016; especially those who were victims of Ian’s content.
Dude it sounds like you were turning into a 4channer without 4chan I think you would've crossed someone like leafy at that age and started adopting his mannerisms and shit as well if idubbz wasn't first
"Victims of Ian's content" bruh, that is definitely on you as a kid. Sure you were influenced by Ian to say slurs. But the attacks and taking it to the next level was definitely on you not Ian.
@@billythe503kid4 “that’s definitely on you as a kid” is a WILD ass sentence my guy, do you realize what you just wrote? they were heavily influenced by ian’s content, i understand where you’re coming from but we need to acknowledge the fact that he DID have some sort of influence on a fuck ton of KIDS even if his content wasn’t made for kids, let’s not act as if he had NO responsibility at all now come on
@@GMarie. Nope, what has happened is that charlie's got lots overlapping audience with people like Hasan, which is people that value outrage and optics over actual human value
I genuinely cannot convey enough that he really did create a safe space for racist people. There’s no ignoring that and you ignoring the real issues that idubbs apologized for is rather immature.
@@pasha6753 …not your call to make. i have had ppl say slurs to my face and justify it over and over using his rhetoric. be quiet if you have not done research. what an unnecessary and rude comment you have made.
And he was..? I don't see how you think he's right. Maybe listen to minorities for once instead of trying to talk over them like you're the one affected..
@@Meeshilin_ManI’m a minority and was a teenager at the time Ian was at his all time high for his content. I had no problem at all. At the end of the day it was just words and personalities not intentional hate mongering. It’s insane how people are absolutely “devastated” over a 8 year old Internet personality. Edgy vocabulary or not he pointed out internet hypocrites with his content cop series like Charlie does, if anything Ian is apologizing for the sake of knowing he’s become the things he was against at the time and had fear of being deplatformed. Also Ian did point out that if people are going to use slurs or vocabulary you can’t be a hypocrite about it in his Tana Mongeau content cop vid. TL:DR I’m not white, loved his content and was never offended. Cope. If people are shocked at what Idubbbz used to be wait til they find out who Joji was before he started making music
8:20 he was literally being approached by strangers saying/yelling slurs at him like they were buddies with him and it was a totally normal thing. He's seen the influence he's had first-hand.
@@LukeRojas 1. Most fans will shout "OMG [insert well known name]!! HII!!" or some popular quote they're known for saying. When you walk down the street and your fans shout slurs at you, it's a wakeup call to what you're known for and how you're influencing your fans. No one wants to be remembered as the guy who told tana mongoose to say the n-word. 2. What beliefs are so important that they overweigh the decision to not use slurs online?
@@tychopanda I'm fine with him not saying slurs, but now he's a completely different person who has no sense of humor at all and is obviously only changing his persona because of the political climate on UA-cam right now. Also using the n-word to Tana was wrong but the general point that he was making had merit to it and the reason why he made content cops usually had valid reasons. I just think he could have stopped using slurs without having to change his style of content and overall personality completely. Also he was on Hassan's podcast. Ugh...
@@LukeRojas how do you know that? Because he doesn’t think exactly like you that means he’s just doing it for views? People are allowed to change their views.
@@drooooop I didn't say that he wasn't allowed to change but given the fact that a lot of these formerly edgy comedians/creators have all suddenly become woke and 'reformed' in order just to protect their image and channel, it's hard to think that Idubbbz is being 100% genuine. Also I think it's hard to believe that someone can change their mind so drastically on pretty much everything that he used to be against.
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you here, I dunno if you're really one to say that certain groups weren't so impacted by Idubbz's content that an apology wasn't warranted. For years, the immediate and only response to people being called out for abject racism in the guise of jokes was a quote from one of his videos. He definitely influenced the culture he now hates.
yeah, idk why charlie is deciding to die on this hill. There were people influenced by this content, and its good that idubbzz is apologising for it (better late than never)
Yeah it's such bizzare behavior. Why does he think he can judge what is racist or bigoted or hateful or cruel? Someone who calls racist language "cringe" really does not deserve to have such a loud opinion on this. Charlie literally could have just eaten his salad in peace.
I see so people didn't watch the whole video. Charlie just said that he didn't think it was bad to apologize, he's just saying that content shouldn't weight on him as much as it seems like it had.
It’s not Idubbz’s fault that his content was used in that way, perhaps he should’ve called out those who were actually hateful and using his content to justify said hate but I wouldn’t say the content itself is the issue.
@@isaac7344 What? Does that really matter, though? Do people voicing their CULTURED opinion, might I add, have anything to do with them always being on Twitter? Wrong is wrong. There are people that I straight up do not like yet I can still see and appreciate when they call out something that is wrong. I like Charlie, but his perspective in the view of racism is severely lacking. That's it. It flew over his has just like it's flying over yours. It's misguided.
i literally watched his content change my friends in middle school. i watched them start to look at me different. this is in no way the case for everyone but i know countless kids who were put on the path to radicalization via the normalization of slurs and bigotry as a 'joke'.
@@1mclv the ones that were referenced here, yes. mostly wealthy and spoiled and have never had any real brushed with prejudice other than that they cast on others.
@@pasha6753 he doubled down. sorry if the term "doubled down" doesn't accurately fit what you believe to have happened in this video. you're arguing just to argue. just accept my usage of the term "doubled down" and be on your way. please find something to do
Charlie 100% is highly underestimating Ian’s influence. If Leafy single-handedly changed the way UA-cam structured it’s rules and regulations, idubbz understanding his audience and still saying the things he said and did, thus influencing the wrong folks isn’t farfetched.
Ian is a simp turned narcissist. If anything, he was catering to a demand. Like someone who was a total square or found it wrong wasn’t changed by idubbbz. At most he maybe introduced people predisposed to being edgy some edgy humor, but I mean there was plenty of places on the internet already being edgy and a lot of comments were edgy
@@lilm5714 But, he literally married someone he met off only fans and even took her last name after getting married. What do you call that besides simping? There’s nothing wrong with being a simp, I’m not a simp hater. But he is a simp who turned into a narcissist, perhaps as a coping mechanism to shield himself from all the insults, but I’m not a psychologist
I still feel like Charlie is missing the sentiment behind the criticism. The content cops aren't the issue, it's that the "edgy humor" genuinely hurt people. Ian's story about that trans fan who assumed he hated them says it all imo
right 😭 i hated charlie saying that idubz wasn’t coming from a place of hate because yes, he probably wasn’t from a place of hate, but the damage has already been done. the trans fan and most others would obviously come to the the conclusion that he’s bigoted just from his content. and it’s not like we could read his mind and see that he wasn’t coming from a place of hate.. :,)
@@paracausalpaninipress yes and he still missed the mark. he was minimizing the use of slurs as just edgy humor. the dude doesn't understand how using slurs as a white person even just on the internet can cause harm
This really shows that this Charlie guy (and probably Twitch in general) is a bit of a hive mind. The comments here don't allow for a lot of nuance or acknowledging that a single youtuber shouldn't be blamed for the entirety of a generation's actions. Also, after watching most of idubbbz old videos, most of the racism was said ironically, done to show how silly the racist stereotypes are dumb. If anything, idubbbz is more judgemental now than he was before. He just hates on people in different groups. There are tons of videos from more recent times where he judges others for their politics, being disabled, and being emotional. He hasn't matured or become a better person. He's just became passive aggressive and claims he has become better while not showing it.
So what I wonder is what makes you qualified to comment on if the apology was necessary or not. As someone who was not affected or at least wasn’t affected as much by his content I don’t think you have any say in whether it’s needed or not. An analogy is if you had a bully in your grade who bullied short kids for example and you were one of the tall kids. It doesn’t matter if the bullying was done as a joke or not. And years later the bully sent out a mass email to everyone in the grade. You shouldn’t have any right to comment on whether this apology was necessary or not since you were not the one affected
As a question, what qualifies anyone to have an opinion on something? Do you have to be personally affected by something in order to have an opinion on it? I can fully understand the viewpoint of being upset by the behaviour that iDubbbz encouraged and the damage this caused. But to say someone can’t have an opinion is a rather strange take, I must say.
@@conandrew8749 It's ok to have an opinion but I don't think a public figure should express it. For example, imagine if an american president talked about the difficulties and struggles of japanese people after the dropping of nuclear bombs. I think you can express an opinion as a public figure if you are: 1. directly affected by the situation at hand or 2. an expert on the topic who has done significant research. From what I can see MoistCritical is neither of those things. And of course if you want to express your opinions privately go for it. As long as you are not doing it to an audience of millions of people
@@randomgamer3868 he has almost 15 million subscribers. That’s more people than several european countries like belgium, sweden, czech republic e.t.c. Imo that qualifies him as a public figure
As a black girl middle schooler during 2016 idubbbz was one of many reasons for a lot of bullying and normalization of racial slurs. They all watched him. Maybe this was past ur time Charlie.
I hope this isn't him falling off but I felt this day may come quite soon. He's been very unproblematic for a while now and I fear it'll all come out at once
If people are gonna be racist/edgy, they are gonna do despite some idiot on the internet making videos. Sorry you grew up in a racist school. Maybe you should try to take words less personally, especially from people who are obviously so morally below standard.
I’m a black viewer who’s watched your content for years. I appreciate the clarification on your points, but I still feel like reducing any form of bigotry to “internet edginess” is a little disappointing. It was wrong in the fifties, it’s wrong now, and I feel like 2016 is no exception, regardless of the intention
Thank you! I’m tired of people who weren’t targeted trying to tell others how to feel. People still see bigotry as a phase. “We all were racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic growing up” - no, not all of us
If you think "UA-cam edgy phase" was just like the 50s racism, you've ate enough propaganda for ten people. UA-cam was edgy because people were tired of the status quo, racial separation, and sanitation of mainstream media. They weren't laughing at no-no words for their hateful context, but because conservative racial activists clung to them with all they could. If there's no hate, there's no bigotry. There's just laughing in the face of those who try to force racial/gender separation and racial/gender guilt.
Just to toss in my experience here, I was 13 when I started watching iDubbbz and he was definitely the reason I used slurs in my early teens. By the time I was 16 I thankfully wised up and stamped out that part of me, but a lot of people I was friends with then are still like that now. I'm in my 20s now and seeing iDubbbz apologise makes me believe that those people I was once friends with can move on from that behaviour.
Bruh how do we get them to stop. I have some friends that still act like this and we’re in our 20’s. It’s embarrassing asf. Feels like if I don’t step in soon, in a few years they’re just gonna keep doubling down till they’re firmly far right weirdos
@@plasmanip3998 I think its okay to be edgy if your using it post-ironic context and only with you're friend group. Like I don't think anyone is serious and going to the "far right"
@@scorchykinz so it’s not okay to yell the n word in public but it is okay when it’s just with your friends? Nah dude. Being an asshole in private instead of public is still being an asshole. Like I can definitely understand edgy humor in the context of a public space with only adults and everyone is aware that you’re not serious at all, but most often using prejudicial humor in public is just a subtle way to virtue signal your prejudice. There’s even been studies done on this.
@@plasmanip3998 willy nilly screaming the n word about is just being racist not edgy like there's gotta be context and actually be funny . Post-Ironic edgy humor is okay to have just if you're doing public standup add that context, and if you're private your friends already know you're not being serious
@@scorchykinz I do think some people genuinely don’t know if others are serious and often these type of jokes reinforce their preconceived stereotypes and prejudices. But I think I agree it’s fine to do this type of humor as long as you’re sure everyone knows it doesn’t accurately represent the world. I just think most people aren’t careful enough around that area- people often unknowingly feed their biases.
I think many people that disliked your original video would also hold the opinion that iDubbz was not a horrible, racist monster during the time he made those videos. I think the issue is more that, he made an apology acknowledging how influential, and significant the role his content played in that UA-cam era was, and that apology was healing for a lot of the people affected. Most of us understand that he was heavily influenced by his surroundings, but still believe that him taking responsibility for the part his content played with an apology was incredibly helpful and affirming. That’s why people are upset, because it felt like you’re video pushed back against the affirmation that those marginalised people have been waiting for. In my opinion, this video still fails to acknowledge that.
Honestly, I rarely see people like you move on from being bitter about jokes that you didn't find funny. Like maybe 1 in a thousand, if that. "Healing" my ass, it seems more like a public struggle session. And I say this as a guy who tentatively supports idubbbz pushing back against the toxic losers that supposedly were fans of his. This all seems like a tug-of-war between two groups who both get off making examples of people.
@@adminbob_ because he conceded on that argument. And him wanting to change content is not the reason people think the apology is dumb. So this entire comment thread has nothing to do with the argument at hand. Just a diversion
I feel like you, again, kind of missed the point of the apology and why people disagreed with your take in the first place. It also feels like you kinda cherrypicked the most disagreeable comments, because most of the criticism I've seen towards your video was much more nuanced than how you're portraying it here.
@@saiko-no-kami maybe, but if you're gonna make a whole 20 minute video dedicated to the criticism, why not address the majority of it instead of pretending it was all misunderstandings and people coming to irrational conclusions? I'm sure those exist but like ???
@@zeemdotexe first of all Ian didn’t apologize, there was no actual remorse in his words. He’s just appealing to advertisers and creators he “harassed” who still have clout he can leech off of in the space like Tana, as we see by him going on her podcast. You really think all these edgy content creators all had the exact same epiphany about their morals at the exact same time in their careers which just so happened at the same time advertisers stated to crack down on the content they were endorsing? He’s still ignoring other creators he was supposed to be apologizing to if they don’t have a certain level of clout, he’s just dismissing all the good points he made in his content cop videos, there’s nothing genuine about these apology videos he’s putting out. He’s just trying to appeal to the crowd he feels will bring him as revenue, that was the point of the “apology,” nothing else
I think Charlie just doesn’t understand, like the way I don’t really understand, how stupid kids can really be. I grew up with Idubbbz content but never thought it was ok to call someone a slur.
@@butter3617hell, guidance'll do em better than just tellin em not to watch shit. They're just gonna grow up to not give a fuck and ignore ya if ya don't make a meaningful connection with em. Especially if they start having that para-social dynamic with someone online who's just on the other end of a camera.
@@butter3617the internet is everywhere. Good luck restricting it cuz it’s pretty impossible 🤷♂️ If they don’t that have shit on there phone they will just hear about it from someone else at school. Best you can do is teach kids right and wrong early so they don’t go down the offensive pipeline. Especially with how popular this was back then, it’s not avoidable. I personally don’t think the internet should tolerate a 30 year old man in a green suit saying “n*ggerf*ggot” to the world like it’s peak comedy in the first place, but maybe that’s just me 🤷♂️
The apology wasn’t so much “I’m sorry for being a bigot” but more “I’m sorry my content made some people think it’s okay to be a bigot.” There were a ton of kids back in 2016 who felt comfortable using slurs and shit because of creators like idubbbz
You can make the same argument for anything than. I have heard more fuck up shit in a mw2 lobby than anything idubbz said. Most kids can recognize racism is cringe and usually just stop. We all did it. At one point we heard a slur thought it was funny, than just kinda stopped either because a we just realized it wasn’t funny and moved on or b our parents actually explained it.
@@Siaman668 yeah, you can make that argument about a lot of things like that back then. But that doesn't make it any less bad? He was a contributor and apologized
I was 16 back in 2016, and the impact idubbbz had on me and some of my friends was definitely not any message he was trying to say. I think at younger ages things "context" and "nuance" aren't usually understood, so the message we took to heart was just that spamming slurs = funny.
Man the amount of time it took me to find this type of comment is like trying to find good food in a dumpster fire. good job for having a brain in 2023!
I can't tell if you're deliberately missing the point because you have a guilty conscience of some kind, or you're actually just somehow missing the point which is shockingly disappointing.
As a 12 year old at the height of 2016 edgy humor I can say that edgy shit definitely did effect mainly middle schoolers and 9th and 10th graders I don’t think it was all Idubbbz fault but it definitely did make a difference that you can still see today in certain groups of high schoolers
@@Ahuerta22 Probably because it’s never that black and white. You can always blame someone else, because it usually is someone else’s fault. Even if you don’t blame the people on the internet, you can blame their parents for allowing them to turn out that way. Or you can blame the parents of the kids who are picking up these bad habits for not doing their job and parenting their kids properly. I don’t understand how you people don’t get this. My little cousin used to be so bad. He’d constantly say a bunch of blatantly racist things, like calling Muslim people terrorists and stuff like that. He didn’t pick that up from the internet. He picked it up from his mom because she would always say that stuff around him and he started doing it too because he thought that it was okay. Nobody treated this 6 year old like he was a racist because we all knew that he didn’t actually believe what he was saying. He was just parroting things that he heard somewhere else, so we all blamed the person who gave him the ideas in the first place. It’s the exact same thing with Ian and his videos.
I don't think Charlie fully understands the impact it had on a lot of people. I'm both black and gay, and around that time I was younger and a lot less secure in my identity. With the content idubbbz made, the normalizing of slurs and making fun of gay people it was just very hard to stay positive. And it wasn't just him. Because his content was so popular, other creators started copying it and it became cool to say slurs. Then it started leaking into real life. Hearing kids and teens say these slurs wasn't uncommon at all. And then with pewdiepie dropping the n-word hard r and all, or saying 'nibba' and people claiming 'it's not a big deal', it was like our opinions and feelings didn't matter. We were just being talked over. I steered clear from so many youtube channels because it was becoming bad for my mental health, seeing the type of audience they fostered. So I'm glad he became more mature and saw the error in his ways. It was a heartfelt apology that I actually accept.
This I agree on 100% percent. I feel like a lot people who don't see how bad of an impact idubbbz made with the people of color and how it created a ripple effect on UA-cam. While I am in no way a black person, I still see how bad of impact was created. I was still in middle school and faced with bigoted comments back in 2016 by my fellow classmates. I still faced the bigoted and homophobic comments throughout middle school because some of the kids around said nothing but bigoted stuffed along with the many slurs. It really doesn't pair up well with the stuff that is going on in the news in recent news here in the US.
@@jed1austinchannel772 - OP literally said that it negatively impacted their mental health. It may have not been important to you because it didn’t affect you, but that doesn’t mean it was just as unimportant to everyone else. Also, with the way you’re talking about it, you’d think that it was decades old. 6 years isn’t that long ago, and it’s reasonable that some of the people who felt hurt by that content is still around.
I was a teenager during the Onision era. He was popular and I enjoyed his content so I acted more 'random"/used his quotes irl/even made my own Onion-esque videos. Kids mimic what they like.
I think a major point Charlie is missing is that the apology video isn't just about Ian: it's also about the audience he cultivated and the groups of people that were victimized by them. I think there is far less people who believe he "created" this bigoted audience than Charlie thinks, but I also think that it's pretty common knowledge that you don't need to create something to help keep it alive, especially if they have such a massive platform. So of course he feels guilty about that, not just the immediate consequences of shouting slurs in every vid. As for the victims of said actions, they are the ones Ian is truly apologizing to, because I think he's a decent person now and they're the ones who were affected the most. Whether or not they forgive him, it's up to them, but he was a big (tho not the only) reason why it seemed normal for them to face daily bigotry (I would know because I was one of them). The apology wasn't just a way for Ian to move on with himself, but also a genuine try to give closure to the ones he was responsible for indirectly hurting.
I was say as a black girl growing up at that time even shane Dawson's videos effected us. So many white kids would pretend to be ghetto when mocking me or calling me anything with ESHA on the end because all black girl names sounds the same? You guys act like racism was just a joke to all of us.
@@Liam-zo4jm he was not affected by racism because he is a straight white male, aka the least marginalised group of people unlike other groups of people
As a fellow 28 y/o man, thank you for defending us. We don’t deserve being called 30. *I’ll add that this is an obvious joke since people are being weird af*
Guys it’s just a joke lol I don’t care about getting older. Older me makes way more money than younger me, and my place is way nicer than my dirty college housing. Aging has its perks ❤️ But to the younger gen out here, just make sure you enjoy it!
@@lj0727 I mean Charlie apologizes for people misunderstanding him lol so I guess he is saying sorry for not making his point very clear from the beginning.
Its crazy how when you are a commentary channel, your words and how you say them matter. This hurts to say as a major Critikal fan (still a fan btw), but this whole scenario was a massively moist L for the channel.
How is saying that Idubbbz shouldn’t apologize for other people’s actions an L take? Idubbbz denounced hate and racism. He never encouraged it. He never condoned it. He was living like everyone else in a time before people were extremely sensitive to vocabulary.
Agreed. I was a fan of Content Cop as a teen and I remember when the video on Tana came out…then suddenly tons of kids thought it was okay to say the N word. I was called it multiple times by people I knew who thought it was okay or just edgy humor because of this. Seeing all of the comments of other people who were negatively impacted is also very telling. I’ve been a fan of Charlie since way before his face reveal when he just played dumb internet games…So to see Charlie say the apology (not even targeted at him) was not needed and no big deal is really dissapointing.
I think he's just showing that he's smarter than the majority of his viewers. Again, his point was that the people who were content copped did deserve it and that should not be apologized for. Not that the racism wasn't bad. It sucks most of his viewers don't have the iq to separate 2 points from one another.
I don't watch much of Charlie's content. But from what I can see Charlie has a personality that doesn't allow self reflection. He believes no matter what the issue is, he's always the one with the most correct viewpoint. I doubt he's going to read these comments and have an epiphany telling him he is not the person Ian's video was meant for. He's opened his mouth on the subject and we all know he's not going to shut it. He took this apology personal. Like it is strictly for him and that couldn't be further from the truth.
@@Skrunk. the point is that the apology was never addressed to Charlie so of course he thinks its stupid. If someone didnt do anything wrong TO YOU and aplogized to someone else and you jumped in like "you shouldnt apologize for nothing thats so stupid", that would be quite stupid. And charlie did that.
Props to Charlie for continuing to be willing to discuss the responses to his takes on stuff. With this, I think one thing Charlie might be missing is that you don't need to be super young to be impressionable.
I won't lie, I remember when Idubbbz was really popular, some my friends genuinely used him and his videos to justify saying the N word, and would literally quote him and his slurs to me, a black guy. I tried to brush it off, but in hindsight, he did have a genuine effect on the way people viewed such behavior, and I think it's great he's apologizing for it. He was a lot of the reason why that type of "humor" was so prominent. He wasn't merely a product of his time, which I think is the major misunderstanding here. Also, not to pull the race card, but a white guy, especially an adult, would definitely have an easier time seeing it as "just edgy humor".
I always thought he was extremely cringe and still think he is, I would like to see him apologize for that nasty and disgusting video he made of eating vomit, hair and toenails, he's a disgusting degenerate p.o. s
I think you’re still a kid and you don’t understand where he is coming from. A bunch of kids thinking it’s ok to blame their shitty behaviour because of what they saw on UA-cam? That doesn’t fly. Take accountability. Idubbbz should not be taking the blame because your parents did a bad job.
Yeah right? But I also assume that these hormonal dumb teenagers who got "high" off of Idubbbz are grown ass people now and probably forgot Idubbbz even existed. Everyone is acting like Ian was the chief propagandist for the KKK. Like seriously, someone should go to /pol/ and ask how many of those guys are there because they watched an Idubbbz vid in 2016. I don't think there are any.
@@charliem4560 yes, the common tactic to try to silence black voices as when they are literally just talking about shared experience. And who said he wasn’t worth being criticized??
Watched all 3 vids and I'll admit your take was surprising. While the labels on you are complete lunacy, I think the main problem is that there was just no productive discussion to be found from analyzing his apology and trying to insinuate that he shouldn't have felt as bad as he did, his content shouldn't have had such a huge impact, it shouldn't be as big of a deal as folks are making it out to be, etc. I understand the sentiment, but there's a difference between what *should* be and what *is.* He DID feel bad. People WERE affected, as your own comments are increasingly finding the motivation to relay to you. Ian was huge back then and I don't think I need to remind anyone what was going on in 2016. It is what it is. You hit the nail on the head at 12:20. As many have said, Ian's apology was for those people. I don't think it applies to you- and hey, I'm glad it doesn't- but you're an analytical commentator, so to make an entire video about it just felt odd, especially with the only takeaway being a notion of "I don't think he's as guilty as he felt." I totally agree that the recipients of Content Cop were not angels and making fun of trash/dangerous content is fair. Way too much of the spotlight is sitting on the CC concept. I don't get that. I hope this makes sense. Reasonable viewers don't think you're the boogeyman, lol. I just feel a bit more perspective was required here.
The thing is he makes videos about everything dumb shit or deep shit so it’s not rly a matter of “it didn’t deserve a whole video” as if Charlie has some sort of barometer on what deserves a video
@@charliem4560 No one said it wasnt? The overwhelming majority of people, and Ian himself, are criticizing the way his Content Cops were formatted and delivered. Everyone agrees that Ian made good points in his videos, but they were packaged in damaging ways
You just can't decline an apology that wasn't directed at you. It's that simple. Imagine that interaction offline for a second. Person A apologizes to Person B, then Person C who wasn't involved at all jumps in and says "It's all cool, and honestly, I think you're wrong about your own assessment of yourself here." That's weird AF.
@@GransPicker not up to you what’s worth apologizing for. It’s literally between the person apologizing and the person they’re apologizing to. Again, it’s weird to insert yourself into something between other people that doesn’t concern you.
@@kd8663 he clearly has a unnecessary approach to his situation. It’s not weird to tell someone they’re overreacting. He was playing a character just lie, frank and max and basically. They’re all *characters* not meant to be taken serious. Idubbz problem is that he did
This comes across to me as you just projecting yourself on the situation. Youre not talking about him, you see yourself in him and you feel a sense of injustice because you yourself never intend to harm anyone, and feel that its wrong that people took harm from his content, bc you are afraid that people take harm from your content. Time for some introspection my guy
I thought it was quite bizarre that Charlie was essentially telling someone what they should, or shouldn't, apologize for. If you're not the offended, or offending, party, of course you think there would be no need to apologize. As neither party to this incident, it was weird that you would state that. I mean sure you can have that viewpoint that you don't THINK they NEED to apologize, but to state that you KNOW THEY DONT NEED to is...bizarre, because the only ones who know that are the offended and the offender.
I can understand wanting to talk about why you don’t necessarily understand why someone made their apology, but I don’t think this video format really works for it. It would come off a lot more natural if he did it over a stream and interacted with chatters to get their takes on it
Grow up. There is no crime, there is no victim, he doesn't need to apologize because there is nothing to apologize for, he apologized because he doesn't like what he did regardless if there's anyone to apologize to.
@@Jitzau I didn't say he needed to apologize either. I just said it was a weird statement. I didn't even leave a comment on his first video because all I said was "Ok, weird take," and moved on with my day. Tbh I don't think either of them needed to apologize. But it's weird to say someone shouldn't have apologized instead of just saying you don't think they need to when you're not one of those two parties. Like of course everyone makes commentary on shit like this. People shouted "Will Smith should apologize for slapping Chris Rock!" despite not personally being involved, this makes sense and is fine. But if someone had come out AFTER Smith apologized and said "Well, *he didn't really need to apologize because he didn't punch ME* in the face," that would be a weird take. At least to me it would be, but I guess maybe not to everyone.
16:40 This seems to be where most of us are taking issues with your take. There is absolutely a younger crowd that was heavily influenced by his content and was unable to see the satire or nuance. You were right when you said that Idubbbz didn't create edgy content, that he was just molded by it like Bane but he did turn into the posterboy for the genre on UA-cam at the time. Edit for the brain dead replies: I'm saying charlie hit the nail on the head on my timestamp, not that he doesn't get it. That's why he said "I was probably wrong about this.". Also, none of this really matters. No one asked Idubbbz to apologize lol at least it was sincere even if not necessary.
If you let yourself be influenced by ppl on the internet you weren’t raised right and that’s not on the creator to apologize take it up with your parents or whoever you grew up around it’s not idubz fault therefore no apology warranted.
@@pushinpencils258 this. The reason the tranny brigade is so animated over this is because it's their wet dream to be able to attribute 3rd party crimes onto people who did not commit them
just gonna leave a lil quote from the apology video that you either completely skipped over or ignored because it was more convenient to the point you're trying to make: "casual racism is still racism, casual bigotry is still bigotry". it's not up to you to decide whether or not his content was bigotted or harmful to marginalized people. the fact that you're missing the point and dismissing his casual use of slurs as "edgy shock humor" is sort of emblematic of the issue that he's trying to point out with the apology
exactly, I feel like he's trying to keep is "chill youtuber who doesn't give any flyin fucks" vibe but like,,, dude racism isn't just cringe its seriously harmful
i just don't get why you needed to have a take on this, considering you were not affected in the slightest by the videos featuring slurs and bigotry. like man just leave the people who were affected to accept or refuse the apology because it's just really not your place
@adilliah It only sounds daft because of how you're choosing to phrase it. By saying he's 'rejecting' an apology, you make it sound as though Charlie has responded with 'well, we don't accept your apology'. He's simply critiquing Idubbbz's reasons for apologising to begin with. That is all.
Kids are like sponges. If their favorite youtuber tells them that its ok to say slurs, & that they’re actually being brave intellectuals by doing so, they will 1000% do so. and they did. so good on ian for recognizing that making a world where people are more likely to call each other slurs is actually a BAD thing. and good on charlie for making an update
He has no reason to apologize. It was a different era. It’s completely baffling that people don’t understand what parenting is. Also, the real reason people are mad at him is because he’s acting like a loser with no self respect. His narcissistic wife being the primary source of that.
@@silvertriforce2574 the reality is the vast majority of kids have unrestricted access to the internet and will for years to come, and that will have big consequences down the line. Parents don't want to parent their children anymore and be aware of what their kids are doing online. That's the reality of the situation now and its not changing anytime soon.
@@Zones33 not true. The 60s was a different era, but it would be BOLD to say that racists back then shouldn’t apologize for their actions. It’s not about the times-it’s about acknowledging what happened then and how we can improve. It’s growth.
It was interesting in his last video on this charlie said something like "I don't know you and you don't really know me, creators dont owe their audiences anything". Where Ian is specifically talking about how his views started to change as his audience started to become real people to him...just thought that was interesting
Charlie love defending Mr beast when people call him out for making kindness content on a large scale but if conservative want to cancel him for supporting his trans friend Charlie is absolutely dead silent, he also ignored that anecdote about the trans fan, I'm getting bad vibes from that
It was hard to hear it’s really hard to hear, He’s smart and I don’t mind he isn’t an activist or anything that’s perfectly fine that’s his views but he missed the mark massively
Is Charlie so used to people agreeing with him that he actually can’t think *critically* about the topic and see how his take was ass?? This isn’t a problem of misinterpretation his takes were just incredibly irrelevant and missing the point of the video 🤦🏽♂️
he may not have made edgy internet culture but he amplified it. I wanted to be like idubbbz as a young teen and I would say slurs all the time and so did my friends who also watched idubbbz.
yeah idk what makes this different from shane dawson's blackface. neither of them were ideologically racist, but their actions were racist and made their audiences think it was cool to do those things. they hurt people, directly or indirectly, and as charlie isn't part of the hurt group, he doesn't get to decide if the apology is warranted or not.
@@feefeedee9865 yeah. its kinda funny that people are ready to make a fuss about words on the internet but then they themselves proceed to insult others on reddit and twitter for calling their obesity out
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it yeah, it’s hypocritical really. The people who are the most sensitive are usually the least kind and attack anyone who they think is doing something ‘wrong’ or they don’t like. A nice person saying a slur as a joke is literally less toxic than them
As a 23 year old European, Idubbz was the main reason my friends and me thought it was cool blurting out slurs back then. None of us cared for screaming the N-Word repeatedly until he made us think its cool. I respectfully think that you SERIOUSLY underestimate how many boys he reached. iDubbz created a generation of young men GLOBALLY, who made racism our personality. He has affected the lives of millions of minorities who were harassed by people like teenage me.
I'm so glad to see other Europeans in this comment section talking about their experiences, because I can't stress enough how much of an impact his content had. And like, how easy it was to see who did and didn't watch his content. Because the folk who didn't speak English or watched other content had a WHOLE other way of acting than idubbz fans did! Like a whole vibe shift. I was on the other end getting bullied and it saved me a lot of grief to stay away from teens who watched his content
Yes he was an outlet for young white males who were constantly being told that their existence as straight, white males was evil and that they were the cause for all wrongdoing on this planet. Meanwhile minorities were allowed to use any insult they wanted against them. Idubbbz had very logical points that he brought up and many people could see that and thus followed him.
I was young when I first watched the idubzz content cops and I told/showed it to all my friends. We thought it was funny asf (even though being 22 now, the humor is stupid looking back on it obviously). However. Through all the years we watched idubzz, never once did any of us blurt out slurs like insane people. His content was filled with slurs, and we were children watching it, but we all knew better than to do that. You’re saying idubzz is the reason you start yelling out slurs? I don’t really think you can blame content cops on the behavior you engaged in when you were young. But hey that’s just my opinion.
@@HawkMoonIGOTIT I think you both make good points, but ultimately it comes down to how someone's raised. You can watch edgy content sure, but if you have a good environment and supportive family and/or friends, then it isn't going to turn you into a terrible person or anything like that. Ultimately, most kids (and many adults) are impressionable and will take after whoever they think is in the right in life, and not everyone has a good support system to make sure they won't, for instance, devolve into pointlessly edgy racist idiots.
Nobody is being uncharitable, you said Ian just made "edgy" content and refused to look at it any other way because you're not hurt by it in any way. People were harmed by the laissez-faire attitude Ian created towards saying slurs and racist stuff. It affected me all the time as a teen and I had to suck it up and have my mental health deteriorate because everyone called me too sensitive and said "it's just edgy humor"
No he didnt create edgy internet culture but he re-inpsired a new era of it and this resulted in many many many people including myself being harassed, scarred and harmed because of the bigoted jokes and slur catchphrases and cruel content. The apology was warranted.
@@sparkles7111 Then dont fucking watch the videos if you feel insulted. He can make what he wants, its up to the audience to decide whether they are going to act retarded and go out into the world and shout slurs.
not only was I young when I encountered Idubbz's content, I wasnt american. I had no context for the slurs he was using so I took his words at what they were, without knowing the impact they had. His content, regardless of intent introduced to me the normalization of not taking racism seriously so long as it's "just words".
@@bryce9083 dude literally read a paragraph about someone experience about being desensitized to slurs, and how it affects people and said “it’s just a prank bro” go touch grass
I really think he should apologize. you just can’t accept it because you literally are not a minority that has the slurs he said used against him. How do you not see how much he influenced the kids around him??
he’s also incredibly privileged and will never understand the nuance of these things unless he chooses to look into it. then again, this is someone who is friends with people like Kaya, so he might be battling with his own insecurities
Because it really didn't. I see a lot of personal anecdotes about it being some detriment in schools, but as a person who was one of like 8 total black people at my middle school during idubbbz peak, that has never been a problem.
@@acommenter3939 as a person in a similar position as you, the apology was meant for the people who were actually hurt. Just because people like me and you were fortunate enough to not have to experience that, doesn't invalidate the experiences of others who were affected by idubbbz's content.
I’m black and I didn’t care about the content. Most of my friends are black and they didn’t care either. Most of the time we found it funny. That doesn’t matter to you, though. Charlie could be black as coal and giving the same take and you’d still just call him an Uncle Tom and say his opinion isn’t valid. What you *actually*care about is whether he’s willing to tout the party line and say what you want him to say. His race doesn’t matter to you lmao
Idubbbz isn't apoligising for being a bigot and racist, hes apoligising for fostering and normalising that type of behaviour, which he absolutely did.
Miss those days
What is been a bigot is
If it's not supporting gay and Tras that totally okay
Ya million became neo nazis with ian at the four front leading the charge
@@fightaccount he at least was a bigot because of the constant use of slurs in every video
He absolutely did not.
I am telling you, as someone who was in middle school during the time. Idubbz using slurs made ALL OF US think it was okay.
How about you take some responsibility for your own actions. If you can't disconnect shitty edgy humor on the internet from what's socially acceptable in the real world than that's on you.
Nah really im a gen z kid and it leaked into our gen like some kind of bubonic plauge.
lol my whole school threw the soft N at everyone and this was majority black & Hispanic school. Seeing him use the hard R was funny and absolutely nothing to get mad due to the context of the Tana video.
he was joking lol you really cant take a joke? yall just love making it them vs us or being a white knight stfu
@@ramoraiddon't you get it? You are racist no matter the context.... At least thats the mayority of reasoning behing most of the comment section.
This has mad "I'm sorry you got offended" energy
As it should be
As it should. Stop being offended.
Don’t be weak minded lmao you got offended over him talking about an apology? Pick a struggle
@@jordanbarrand1736 Imagine being so weak minded you think being offended is the problem and not racism.
@@isyrkI think Charlie just has a different perspective or interpretation of what idubbz was apologizing for. Charlie obviously doesn’t get it. That doesn’t make him deserving of any accusations of racism. Not that you are accusing him of such things.
Just hold the L brother, you earned it.
Cope
Wait till this guy finds out about opinions
@@YvenvH hopefully not yours, theyre probably shit
@@YvenvH ironic, considering his comment is his opinion on Charlie’s take, which is, in his opinion, an L
Nah, he don't want it. You need it snowflake.
I’ve never seen a large part of Charlies comment section/audience disagree with him before, this is a nice breath of fresh air.
especially when Charlie is throwing out ‘greatest L of all time’, just to approach a highly nuanced situation with very little forethought. rare Critikal L
Right, even in this video he still doesn’t realize why the comments were disagreeing with the points he made with the previous video before and I’m glad to see people expressing their thoughts in the comment section.
So true
Right, he has some of the most intense dick riders
Disagreeing is fine, opinions aren’t right or wrong and I feel like people are missing that point. Charley is merely making a conversation, and like he said- it is okay to have people disagree on his opinions.
People asking critikal to make an apology just because they didn’t agree with what he said are taking it to the extremes lol
Dying on this hill is crazy especially since his past racist content has not affected you whatsoever. As someone who was in school during the 2016 racism arc it was hard to exist as a black person. Words do hurt no matter what anyone says
As a black person you realize racism was a thing for 1000+ years before idubbz was born ☠️
@@Schinzo__ yeah but he normalized and platformed this type of behavior for years and for a new audience of people, most people used to go out in the world with general respect for others, idubbz influenced people to go into the world with hate and animosity for people just because of skin color
Idubbz literally called out influencers who were overtly racist and trying to hide it, like tana. I’m so confused by everyone’s takes here.
@@kam731 again no he didn’t 💀💀 he wasn’t the first white man nor the last to say the n word
@KittyPurry just cause idubbz called out racists doesnt change the fact that that he himself could possibly be one too. plus, his way of "calling tana out" was saying the n word in her face.. he really showed her ! 😭
I saw a comment on the original video where someone wrote: "Its easy to say, no harm done if you were never the target"
That is very true. Plenty of stupid kids who don’t get that.
He just summarized everything he said in the first one
I'm really glad to see the comments still not taking to agreeing charlies take just because its Charlie. I really hope he reads the comments because theres so many good points explaining the real issue. No one thought idubbbz was a bigot if they did he would have been cancelled years ago. We all knows he's apologizing for unintentionally fostering a hateful community
And intentionally
I'm really glad to see that the leftist hive mind is still stronger than a single Twitch streamer.*
@@treali don't you have to go yell slurs at idubbbz?
Nahh y'all are the reason tho y'all need to make everything us vs them y'all can't laugh at anything that's a you problem I promise you edgy humor ain't make no one racist but y'all are weird and like racism so you make everything about it
@@SavageGreywolf Nah, I will leave yelling racist slurs to idubbbz. Who knows? He might start again if he thinks it will make him popular again. Never liked his edgy humor, but Charlie is correct in this matter, intent matters.
If intent doesn't matter, then some slurs are the least of our problem. If intent doesn't matter you're effectively taking part in child slave labor, genocide, death, and suffering.
As a black male I never thought HE was racist, but he normalized hate speech within his community whether it was intentional or not. I respect Charlie and respect his opinion on the matter, but unfortunately he lives in a reality that’s different from most minorities. He will never fully understand how these slurs impact people, and I don’t mean that in a hateful way. Being black I knew at an early age that my life wouldn’t be the same as most white peoples’ lives; thats just the current state we live in as a civilization (especially as an American).
EDIT: Someone in the comments pointed out that Ian’s supporters would often say “its just words” in response to people criticizing his use of slurs and I distinctly remember that phrase appearing all the time in Ian’s comments section. The harsh truth is sometime its not just words, they can come from a rooted history of malice and oppression. These words represent the stereotypes that still continue in some ways to this day. They can represent generations of literal slavery, torture, and death not even exaggerating here. I’m not saying all nasty words should be banned or something, but people to need recognize these words come from somewhere. It was funny for Ian to spew them at the time because we knew they were taboo. So maybe we should ask ourselves WHY they became controversial phrases in the first place.
As another black male, starting a sentence with “a black male” is hella gay. I am gay.
Lol sucks to be you
Hate speech is not real
W fucking take. Said this in the last video aswell
shut up blackie
As someone who watched idubbz in middle school, his videos were 100% the reason i fell into the 'feminist owned, cringe compilation' 'facts don't care about your feelings' 'all lives matter' crap. The content young impressionable kids watch can have a major impact, and to undersell it does nobody any favors.
“Ben Shapiro DESTROYS entitled leftist on abortion”
Just because you like incel content doesn't mean we all do bro.
@@Skrunk. is that at all what i said?
That's more the fault of the parents than it is Ian's. Ian wasn't making child-friendly or child-targeted content. The fact that kids watched and mimicked the content he made isn't his responsibility.
@SirBoomNPew what parent is going to be actively monitoring their 16 year olds youtube? Kids notoriously get into material that they probably shouldnt, earlier than they should. Ians content was one of those things, and it had a large enough negative effect on enough kids for this to be a pretty well known problem all over the place.
bro, hes apologizing cuz he created a culture of hate 💀💀
Newsflash, but hate and racism existed long before Idubbbz, like LONG before him. Idubbbz didn't a create a modern culture of hate. Politics did a much better job of that. Idubbbz's content simply attracted hateful people who already existed.
@@SciFyerGaming well obviously, everyone knows that--they're saying that he greatly influenced kids and teenagers becoming and acting more casually racist in the years he was actively creating content, whether that be online or in the real world. for comparison, andrew tate obviously didn't invent sexism and toxic masculinity, but to say he hasn't greatly influenced a subsection of (primarily) teenage boys and younger men due to his content would be a lie.
@@SciFyerGaming that doesn’t mean it’s okay to do dip shit💀💀 crazy how ANYONE can defend and condone this just cuz “it’s been a thing” shut yo goofy ass up.
he didn't create a culture of hate. racism and hatred existed well before 2016. it isn't even like he was the one who spread it on the internet, people have been racist on video games/the internet since it was first discovered.
He created a community of racism. Don't dumb it down to simply "hate" as if that's all it is. His community/fans follow behind what they think he believes. Making racist jokes gives the vibes that you are a fellow racist, which attracts racists to follow you and join your community
This is just a weird take. Of course he wasn’t the only person contributing, but he was one of the more popular ones. I think because you wouldn’t have been a target you maybe underestimate the impact it had. Also, this seems like something he did for his own peace of mind, not because there was a huge outcry for it. I rarely see people mention idubbbz at this point, this apology wasn’t expected. If the guy feels bad for who he used to be I think it’s a good thing that he addresses it and takes accountability. Will probably make him feel better.
I mean if he did it for his own peace of mind and for no one else then that's completely fine why would he post it on a public forum then? He didnt make it private either so it either seems disingenuous to some, or just shows how much some people are "chronically online" that they make everything they're going through public.
Also, just as there are people who didn't go through it and thus their opinions might be not as much of value, there are people that went through it and werent affected as much. Does that invalidate them too? Why does it? Do you or any other person feel like ypu have more leverage to speak over others?
Just some random questions it's not really targeted
@@willisstillhere8846 There are some things in life that are just objectively wrong for societal standards. Example, I'm sure a majority of people would agree bullying is wrong because they've experienced it and it has negatively impacted their lives. And maybe there's a minority of people who said it didn't affect their lives, cool their feelings are valid. But why would I listen to the people who aren't affected on the subject of if bullying is bad in comparison to those who have been affected? Is bullying suddenly justified and not bad because some people weren't hurt by it? No, because society deems bullying as wrong already, so those who have experienced it and weren't hurt by it are the outliers, and that's a good thing if they're truly fine after that, but that's not the standard.
He literally explained that in the video💀
L take.
I just think Charlie doesn’t realize the influence idubbbz had on kids during the height of his channel. I was his demographic during that time, 13-15, and a lot of his videos really warped my sense of humor. He normalized saying the n word for me, which I’m thankful I realized later that it wasn’t ok to say.
After that first sentence I can’t help but feel like I’ve just stepped into an unskippable main quest cutscene
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
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Fun fact: It’s illegal to own a skunk in Texas
I thought your profile picture was a green apple
pov: youre getting robbed in rdr2
"i just dont see why its a big deal" says man who was not affected by any part of the situation. the fact that he felt the need to make the first video is really telling, and doubling down after being rightfully criticized really says something.
You absolutely don’t know that and it’s laughable you insinuate that. Any person alive could’ve been affected by Ian’s content. Being called the f-word back then you could attribute that to them hearing it in one of his videos and then saying it to someone else.
At any rate, in the space that Ian is in of course he needs to distance himself from his past self because he needs sponsors and the like for what he is producing right now. Do I think that’s the only reason for it? No. I think he’s trying to get rid of the fans he’s stated multiple times not enjoying interacting with while also making amends with anyone he may have turned away.
You immediately foamed at the mouth at the first sign of someone being a bigot and didn’t bother to think for a minute about everything as a whole there bud
@@Duuuuuuuuuuuude what the fuck are you talking about lol
@@Duuuuuuuuuuuude mean it’s indisputable that black people and gay people were far far more likely to be affected by an influential guy who was “ironically” racist or homophobic. I saw it with my own eyes, a lot, it was pretty tough for some of my black and gay buddies during the time where IDubbz was super influential. Charlie definitely doesn’t understand like somebody who got the N word thrown at them everyday does. It’s just true. And I ain’t foaming at the mouth or anything, but I have respect for the people in my life who were targeted directly because of IDubbz’s influence over shitty people. I just love my people, man.
@@Daddix0 well I don't think you understand my experience of being called mayo in Detroit all day at school it really hurt.
He literally acknowledges that in the video that he didn’t consider the whole picture when it comes to that. Sounds like he put too much faith in people to not adopt and spread the culture
it seems youre entirely missing the premise here lmao
i feel like charlie REALLY underestimated how popular idubbbz was then. bro was literally in every vine compilation ever
charlie also wasn’t in school when idubbz peaked. his videos caused so much casual racism and bullying, i mean shit, his ricegum disstrack was pretty much all that came out of the edgy kids’ mouths. i’m not american yet idubbz was still huge.
Idubbbz being very popular during that time is pretty irrelevant to charlies point
@@autumnfrost-art seems like your using idubbz as a scapegoat for peoples shitty behaviour. Unless you were taking his content out of context it really shouldnt have been influential for anyone with half a brain
@@4moly mother love me long time long time
@@4moly you are under the assumption that those kids were intending to be racist and hateful, rather than trying to be humorous in a very very normal way (shock content)
I really like that Charlie’s fanbase don’t have a hive mind and genuinely disagrees with Charlie when he’s wrong. It keeps him humble and doesn’t push a wrong narrative that most other major fanbases do
Don’t have hive mind? I can’t find anybody else who agrees with him. Sounds like hive mind to me. How people think the actions of others are something you can blame on somebody else is straight up baffling.
@@52BLUE Clearly I mean hive mind in the sense of ppl blindly agreeing with their fav content creator. How often do you see viewers disagreeing with the content creator on their own video
@@52BLUE you know you can form your own opinion and not parasocially agree with everything your favorite creator says?
@@dixxiesk I formed this opinion on this situation long before I even listened to his take on it. Blaming idubbbz for what his followers do isn’t far off from parents trying to cancel video games because they’re influencing kids to be violent. Ridiculous.
@@52BLUE for real this whole comment section is a hive mind every comment is something along the lines of “As someone who was in school at the peak of idubbz career he taught me to swear and hurt my feelings, etc.”
Hes really harping on the hes not racist therefore he shouldnt apologize thing when hes making the community worse and he was like the #1 dark humor guy sure he didnt start it but he was the gateway to actual racism
He didn’t say idubbz should or shouldn’t apologize. He said idubbz shouldn’t feel extreme lifelong self hate about it. His wording was poor in the first (and arguably, second) video and definitely could be construed as such, I.e. the way he used the word “warrant”, but that was corrected
@@lirich0 nigga it's been a month why are you even watching this anymore rare charlie L take who cares i still like him.
This is still missing so much of the point.
I really cannot believe Charlie missed the mark this far and STILL missed it now! Charlie...wtf man... It's not about if he was ACTUALLY racist, it's about how hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of teen boys turned around terrorized people with edgy bullshit. It was NOT okay just because it was a trend in 2016. It was not okay thenz it's not okay now. It needed to be called out then and be called out now.
Get over it. He wasn't out there burning crosses in yards he was making edgy jokes. How in the fuck do you people function online and in the real world with such thin ass skin?
How is some loser teenage boy saying the n word actually hurting anyone? Grow some thicker skin
So you would rather those boys just use conventional bullying rather than 2016 edgy bullying? Those people that used edgy bullying from 2016 were gonna bully everyone no matter what with whatever they could find.
Bruh. Litterally I grew up on his content and I never went terriozing people. I thought as a middle schooler it was funny but it wasn't something you should just be saying. Maybe I'm an anomaly but I feel like I should've been obvious you shouldn't just say that. Besides parents should monitor what their kids watch anyway if that's an issue. It's like blaming video games for mass shootings it's just stupid. You have to already have that factor of racism or hate before you pursue. I had that which from what I'm hearing is rare.
@@memecrusader_2123 your singular experience can’t be applied to millions of viewers. many people used idubzz content to rationalize and normalize racism and bigotry. it also led to people who DID agree with idbuzz take and we’re a part of the victimized groups to have some type of internalized self hate, wether that be internalized racism, homophobia, etc. you can see in the comments people explaining both of these things happening to them
The problem with his offensive content wasn’t that it was “lame and cringey”. The problem was the fact he was spreading hate in so many different ways. That’s the part you aren’t understanding.
How was he spreading hate
how is comedy "speading hate"?
@@dontask64tv15 by spitting slurs and also encouraging his audience to say them (he spent a whole video explaining why people should say the n word)
@@dontask64tv15it’s like ur purposely being dense
No he wasn't you absolute liar.
idubbz said "its all or nothing" on what slurs are okay to say. he argued that using slurs is good actually. he directly encouraged using slurs and using disabled people, gay peoplw, trans people and poc as punchlines. thats not just edgyness. the fan interaction anecdote should have told you all you need to know about what kind of message he was putting out there for A FAN to believe he wouldn't like them due to being trans.
He said restricting them gives them more power, you're never going to stop them from being used and chimping out every time you hear one makes them more desirable to use due to this strong reaction. So actually his intent was to bloat their use into irrelevance (and to not treat black people like children). But I guess that's not the narrative you wanted to hear.
@@snerttt "none of it should be okay or all of it should be okay" is a direct quote. what i said doesnt contradict what he said, because he still said to use them. why did you even make this comment you just assumed i made some narrative without said narrative being in my comment lol
@Mr. Plasma the reason certain slurs arent said is because those are the ones which the people called them have had no say in until very recently. there's no use for those words when their whole point has been for an oppressor to demean the oppressed. they are gross words, riddled with the worst of human cruelty. the n word was used for decades yet it never lost meaning. this goes for other slurs as well. things tend to be complex and nuanced, so the phrase all or nothing cant be applied. theres a reason cracker is technically a slur but is socially acceptable. because america doesnt have a history of racism against whites. whites are by the very least economically more in power which can be traced to red lining, over-policing and generational poverty due to slavery, jim crow and red lining. thats all to say that slurs seriousness varies with their inherent power dynamics. think about why you dont want to listen to minorities thoughts on this matter unless they agree with you, and also why you want to use slurs so damn bad.
@@jae-ds2ot This is honestly peak leftoid brainrot. Fighting against racism by justifying it. You can't make this shit up.
@@jae-ds2ot you are just making excuses to be racist if a word hurt a race of people don’t say it simple as that why would you want to say something that could make people sad because of what skin color they have systemic racism makes certain words worse to say it doesn’t make racism acceptable that’s the dumbest way to justify being racist to white people lmao
I first found Ian’s content when I was 10 years old. My friends and I would binge watch his videos and found ourselves saying slurs very comfortably. Watching his videos radicalized me and turned me into an awful person. I was very racist and edgy and thought gore was funny. I terrorized several people I used to be friends with and found justification in it from Ian’s content. Thankfully after I turned 15 I started to realize the harm I caused and changed, but I think you missed the point of how detrimental his content was to those of us who were much younger in 2016; especially those who were victims of Ian’s content.
Dude it sounds like you were turning into a 4channer without 4chan I think you would've crossed someone like leafy at that age and started adopting his mannerisms and shit as well if idubbz wasn't first
"Victims of Ian's content" bruh, that is definitely on you as a kid. Sure you were influenced by Ian to say slurs. But the attacks and taking it to the next level was definitely on you not Ian.
His content wasn't made to be watched by 10 year olds. That's your parents' fault.
@@mpsinshe’s kinda right tho kids get influenced easily but your right the dood is taking such a lil thing and making it a big deal reddit style
@@billythe503kid4 “that’s definitely on you as a kid” is a WILD ass sentence my guy, do you realize what you just wrote? they were heavily influenced by ian’s content, i understand where you’re coming from but we need to acknowledge the fact that he DID have some sort of influence on a fuck ton of KIDS even if his content wasn’t made for kids, let’s not act as if he had NO responsibility at all now come on
Ironic that Charlie's audience is more sympathetic to IDubbbz than his own audience
Because Charlie's audience isn't filled with a bunch of incels
@@seanquinn8032 right
@@seanquinn8032 charlie adopted idubbz’ old audience. thats why they’re so quick to gloss over the impact idobbz had on normalizing racism and bigotry
@@GMarie. this comment proves you don't know what the fuck youre talking about 😂
@@GMarie. Nope, what has happened is that charlie's got lots overlapping audience with people like Hasan, which is people that value outrage and optics over actual human value
Charlie: “Everyone should be an individual”
Also Charlie: Has 3 clones that he only lets out once a year
Oh he has more than three.
trueeeeee
also charlie : supports ai
I hope they're being fed :(
Everyone should be THEIR OWN individual.' He didn't say: An individual. Semantics matter in this case.
I genuinely cannot convey enough that he really did create a safe space for racist people. There’s no ignoring that and you ignoring the real issues that idubbs apologized for is rather immature.
I don’t know, I thought it wasn’t racism. I didn’t delve into his content but I have met a few of his “og” fans and they don’t hit me as crazy racist.
@@pasha6753 …not your call to make. i have had ppl say slurs to my face and justify it over and over using his rhetoric. be quiet if you have not done research. what an unnecessary and rude comment you have made.
@@chaitea9522oh that’s so sad bro, who tf remotely cares
@@jcstidesAnyone with a slither of empathy.
Bruh
Can’t believe people genuinely thought Charlie was wrong💀
And he was..? I don't see how you think he's right. Maybe listen to minorities for once instead of trying to talk over them like you're the one affected..
@@Meeshilin_Man Ian didn’t mean anything he said in the video,he did purely out of fear of being deplatformed
@@Meeshilin_ManI’m a minority and was a teenager at the time Ian was at his all time high for his content. I had no problem at all. At the end of the day it was just words and personalities not intentional hate mongering. It’s insane how people are absolutely “devastated” over a 8 year old Internet personality. Edgy vocabulary or not he pointed out internet hypocrites with his content cop series like Charlie does, if anything Ian is apologizing for the sake of knowing he’s become the things he was against at the time and had fear of being deplatformed. Also Ian did point out that if people are going to use slurs or vocabulary you can’t be a hypocrite about it in his Tana Mongeau content cop vid.
TL:DR I’m not white, loved his content and was never offended. Cope. If people are shocked at what Idubbbz used to be wait til they find out who Joji was before he started making music
@@_ndless stopped reading as soon as it got to the NPC "Im blank and I liked it/didn't find it offensive" pick me line.
@@ItalianRequiem Right, because you're obviously Ian and know how he feels at every moment.
8:20 he was literally being approached by strangers saying/yelling slurs at him like they were buddies with him and it was a totally normal thing. He's seen the influence he's had first-hand.
So he met a few incels and lumps in all of his fans with those people and abandons pretty much everything he ever said or believed in?
@@LukeRojas 1. Most fans will shout "OMG [insert well known name]!! HII!!" or some popular quote they're known for saying. When you walk down the street and your fans shout slurs at you, it's a wakeup call to what you're known for and how you're influencing your fans. No one wants to be remembered as the guy who told tana mongoose to say the n-word.
2. What beliefs are so important that they overweigh the decision to not use slurs online?
@@tychopanda I'm fine with him not saying slurs, but now he's a completely different person who has no sense of humor at all and is obviously only changing his persona because of the political climate on UA-cam right now.
Also using the n-word to Tana was wrong but the general point that he was making had merit to it and the reason why he made content cops usually had valid reasons. I just think he could have stopped using slurs without having to change his style of content and overall personality completely.
Also he was on Hassan's podcast. Ugh...
@@LukeRojas how do you know that? Because he doesn’t think exactly like you that means he’s just doing it for views? People are allowed to change their views.
@@drooooop I didn't say that he wasn't allowed to change but given the fact that a lot of these formerly edgy comedians/creators have all suddenly become woke and 'reformed' in order just to protect their image and channel, it's hard to think that Idubbbz is being 100% genuine. Also I think it's hard to believe that someone can change their mind so drastically on pretty much everything that he used to be against.
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you here, I dunno if you're really one to say that certain groups weren't so impacted by Idubbz's content that an apology wasn't warranted.
For years, the immediate and only response to people being called out for abject racism in the guise of jokes was a quote from one of his videos. He definitely influenced the culture he now hates.
yeah, idk why charlie is deciding to die on this hill. There were people influenced by this content, and its good that idubbzz is apologising for it (better late than never)
Yeah it's such bizzare behavior. Why does he think he can judge what is racist or bigoted or hateful or cruel? Someone who calls racist language "cringe" really does not deserve to have such a loud opinion on this. Charlie literally could have just eaten his salad in peace.
Moist just thinks he was overdoing the apology way too much. Which is fine to say, iDubzz saying all content cops were too much etc.
I see so people didn't watch the whole video. Charlie just said that he didn't think it was bad to apologize, he's just saying that content shouldn't weight on him as much as it seems like it had.
It’s not Idubbz’s fault that his content was used in that way, perhaps he should’ve called out those who were actually hateful and using his content to justify said hate but I wouldn’t say the content itself is the issue.
It’s not that people misinterpreted what your opinions were, it’s that we all clearly noticed how awfully YOU misinterpreted his apology video.
L Take: the Sequel
You're an L
Damn bruh he still don’t get it
@@jessepatterson1909 lmao everyone mad at Charlie rn has never left their chair and gotten off twitter
@@isaac7344 What? Does that really matter, though? Do people voicing their CULTURED opinion, might I add, have anything to do with them always being on Twitter? Wrong is wrong. There are people that I straight up do not like yet I can still see and appreciate when they call out something that is wrong. I like Charlie, but his perspective in the view of racism is severely lacking. That's it. It flew over his has just like it's flying over yours. It's misguided.
Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.
@@isaac7344 funny, I feel like that's most of the people mad at idubbbz
@@charliem4560 oh yes, the logic of you can’t criticize something because someone some where has done worse
i literally watched his content change my friends in middle school. i watched them start to look at me different. this is in no way the case for everyone but i know countless kids who were put on the path to radicalization via the normalization of slurs and bigotry as a 'joke'.
You were radicalized to the left
your friends were raised poorly
@@1mclv the ones that were referenced here, yes. mostly wealthy and spoiled and have never had any real brushed with prejudice other than that they cast on others.
@@1mclv a lot of people are raised poorly
So, are you saying that idubbbz was actually racist, or something?
i can't believe he doubled down on this lmaooo
I’m confused, I hear this video and see like a drop. Not letting go of it but not doubling down.
@@pasha6753 Well I can clear that up for you by telling you he did double down
This is such a peculiar hill to die on 😭
@@Ghostsandpoes How? He drops some of his points that he made. The only thing he sticks by is that he feels the apology isn’t necessary.
@@pasha6753 he doubled down. sorry if the term "doubled down" doesn't accurately fit what you believe to have happened in this video. you're arguing just to argue. just accept my usage of the term "doubled down" and be on your way. please find something to do
what a crazy double down.
Charlie 100% is highly underestimating Ian’s influence. If Leafy single-handedly changed the way UA-cam structured it’s rules and regulations, idubbz understanding his audience and still saying the things he said and did, thus influencing the wrong folks isn’t farfetched.
Ian is a simp turned narcissist. If anything, he was catering to a demand. Like someone who was a total square or found it wrong wasn’t changed by idubbbz. At most he maybe introduced people predisposed to being edgy some edgy humor, but I mean there was plenty of places on the internet already being edgy and a lot of comments were edgy
@feefeedee9865 Ian growing and learning is human nature. Not "simping". He's not making content for you, bud. Move on
@@lilm5714 But, he literally married someone he met off only fans and even took her last name after getting married. What do you call that besides simping? There’s nothing wrong with being a simp, I’m not a simp hater. But he is a simp who turned into a narcissist, perhaps as a coping mechanism to shield himself from all the insults, but I’m not a psychologist
@@feefeedee9865 read 2 comments from you and I can already tell you're gonna die alone
@@endytu1788 hey come on, let’s be nice. We can be nice here. I mean you’re not *wrong*, but you didn’t have to say it, I mean good lord
I still feel like Charlie is missing the sentiment behind the criticism. The content cops aren't the issue, it's that the "edgy humor" genuinely hurt people. Ian's story about that trans fan who assumed he hated them says it all imo
Source: I made it the fuck up.
All the sudden people started to believe all of this shit when idubbbz made ONE video, his "fans" are so one-sided.
right 😭 i hated charlie saying that idubz wasn’t coming from a place of hate because yes, he probably wasn’t from a place of hate, but the damage has already been done. the trans fan and most others would obviously come to the the conclusion that he’s bigoted just from his content.
and it’s not like we could read his mind and see that he wasn’t coming from a place of hate.. :,)
If you get hurt by an edgy joke then that's on you. Just grow up karen
Did you watch the entire video? Lol
@@paracausalpaninipress yes and he still missed the mark. he was minimizing the use of slurs as just edgy humor. the dude doesn't understand how using slurs as a white person even just on the internet can cause harm
This really shows that this Charlie guy (and probably Twitch in general) is a bit of a hive mind. The comments here don't allow for a lot of nuance or acknowledging that a single youtuber shouldn't be blamed for the entirety of a generation's actions. Also, after watching most of idubbbz old videos, most of the racism was said ironically, done to show how silly the racist stereotypes are dumb. If anything, idubbbz is more judgemental now than he was before. He just hates on people in different groups. There are tons of videos from more recent times where he judges others for their politics, being disabled, and being emotional. He hasn't matured or become a better person. He's just became passive aggressive and claims he has become better while not showing it.
So what I wonder is what makes you qualified to comment on if the apology was necessary or not. As someone who was not affected or at least wasn’t affected as much by his content I don’t think you have any say in whether it’s needed or not. An analogy is if you had a bully in your grade who bullied short kids for example and you were one of the tall kids. It doesn’t matter if the bullying was done as a joke or not. And years later the bully sent out a mass email to everyone in the grade. You shouldn’t have any right to comment on whether this apology was necessary or not since you were not the one affected
idubbz said he invited other people opinions. also, come on, penguinz0 is kind of a drama channel
As a question, what qualifies anyone to have an opinion on something?
Do you have to be personally affected by something in order to have an opinion on it?
I can fully understand the viewpoint of being upset by the behaviour that iDubbbz encouraged and the damage this caused.
But to say someone can’t have an opinion is a rather strange take, I must say.
@@conandrew8749 It's ok to have an opinion but I don't think a public figure should express it. For example, imagine if an american president talked about the difficulties and struggles of japanese people after the dropping of nuclear bombs. I think you can express an opinion as a public figure if you are: 1. directly affected by the situation at hand or 2. an expert on the topic who has done significant research. From what I can see MoistCritical is neither of those things. And of course if you want to express your opinions privately go for it. As long as you are not doing it to an audience of millions of people
@@dedviMoist Critical isn't a public figure 😭. Bros not even half as popular as some of the bigger UA-camrs.
@@randomgamer3868 he has almost 15 million subscribers. That’s more people than several european countries like belgium, sweden, czech republic e.t.c. Imo that qualifies him as a public figure
As a black girl middle schooler during 2016 idubbbz was one of many reasons for a lot of bullying and normalization of racial slurs. They all watched him. Maybe this was past ur time Charlie.
Thought Charlie was mature enough to understand this :/
I hope this isn't him falling off but I felt this day may come quite soon. He's been very unproblematic for a while now and I fear it'll all come out at once
@@MozeXI what all coming out at once? 😂😂 you act like he’s got some horrible crimes under his belt
@@xVoiiDxHD bro what are you on about? I mean a bunch of shit opinions. Yk... Like this one?
If people are gonna be racist/edgy, they are gonna do despite some idiot on the internet making videos. Sorry you grew up in a racist school. Maybe you should try to take words less personally, especially from people who are obviously so morally below standard.
I’m a black viewer who’s watched your content for years. I appreciate the clarification on your points, but I still feel like reducing any form of bigotry to “internet edginess” is a little disappointing. It was wrong in the fifties, it’s wrong now, and I feel like 2016 is no exception, regardless of the intention
Yup! Totally agree
im one of charlie’s asian fans ,, always thought charlie might be able to grasp different levels of racism but he’s been disappointing me lately :/
Thank you! I’m tired of people who weren’t targeted trying to tell others how to feel. People still see bigotry as a phase. “We all were racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic growing up” - no, not all of us
If you think "UA-cam edgy phase" was just like the 50s racism, you've ate enough propaganda for ten people.
UA-cam was edgy because people were tired of the status quo, racial separation, and sanitation of mainstream media. They weren't laughing at no-no words for their hateful context, but because conservative racial activists clung to them with all they could. If there's no hate, there's no bigotry. There's just laughing in the face of those who try to force racial/gender separation and racial/gender guilt.
@@youregonewiththesinthey call themselves “centrists” but just dismiss racism. It does suck
I think Charlie needs to rewatch the video
That’s crazy Charlie the fact that you draw the line at cringe but not racism
Real
Wouldn't expect this white dude from Florida to be worried much about the impacts of racism. He's completely untouched by it.
He wasn’t defending racism tho
I once had the opportunity to meet Charlie. I said hey to him and when he turned around he roundhouse kicked me and walked off. Such a nice guy.
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
Damn all these bots
@@p-__ Lies
My toilet bowl is better than Charlie’s toilet bowl
I can’t believe he did that to you. Truly unacceptable, unsubscribed.
You know it’s bad when Charlie is callin ya into the saloon for a little “chit chat.”
My toilet is Better than Charles toilet
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts
Agreed
The hell are all these bots for bro...?
i accidently clicked this video and that intro of charlie calling me in for a "chit chat"
i thought i was dead
How do you miss the point this much
Are you even reading your UA-cam comments?
they're cancerous. why would he?
@@kcm4321 your bussy must be RAW from riding on it this hard and long omfg 💀💀💀
@@kcm4321 nah their spitting facts
He spends half the video talking about the comments 💀
Just to toss in my experience here, I was 13 when I started watching iDubbbz and he was definitely the reason I used slurs in my early teens. By the time I was 16 I thankfully wised up and stamped out that part of me, but a lot of people I was friends with then are still like that now. I'm in my 20s now and seeing iDubbbz apologise makes me believe that those people I was once friends with can move on from that behaviour.
Bruh how do we get them to stop. I have some friends that still act like this and we’re in our 20’s. It’s embarrassing asf. Feels like if I don’t step in soon, in a few years they’re just gonna keep doubling down till they’re firmly far right weirdos
@@plasmanip3998 I think its okay to be edgy if your using it post-ironic context and only with you're friend group. Like I don't think anyone is serious and going to the "far right"
@@scorchykinz so it’s not okay to yell the n word in public but it is okay when it’s just with your friends? Nah dude. Being an asshole in private instead of public is still being an asshole. Like I can definitely understand edgy humor in the context of a public space with only adults and everyone is aware that you’re not serious at all, but most often using prejudicial humor in public is just a subtle way to virtue signal your prejudice. There’s even been studies done on this.
@@plasmanip3998 willy nilly screaming the n word about is just being racist not edgy like there's gotta be context and actually be funny . Post-Ironic edgy humor is okay to have just if you're doing public standup add that context, and if you're private your friends already know you're not being serious
@@scorchykinz I do think some people genuinely don’t know if others are serious and often these type of jokes reinforce their preconceived stereotypes and prejudices. But I think I agree it’s fine to do this type of humor as long as you’re sure everyone knows it doesn’t accurately represent the world. I just think most people aren’t careful enough around that area- people often unknowingly feed their biases.
I think many people that disliked your original video would also hold the opinion that iDubbz was not a horrible, racist monster during the time he made those videos.
I think the issue is more that, he made an apology acknowledging how influential, and significant the role his content played in that UA-cam era was, and that apology was healing for a lot of the people affected. Most of us understand that he was heavily influenced by his surroundings, but still believe that him taking responsibility for the part his content played with an apology was incredibly helpful and affirming.
That’s why people are upset, because it felt like you’re video pushed back against the affirmation that those marginalised people have been waiting for. In my opinion, this video still fails to acknowledge that.
Honestly, I rarely see people like you move on from being bitter about jokes that you didn't find funny. Like maybe 1 in a thousand, if that. "Healing" my ass, it seems more like a public struggle session.
And I say this as a guy who tentatively supports idubbbz pushing back against the toxic losers that supposedly were fans of his. This all seems like a tug-of-war between two groups who both get off making examples of people.
THIS!!!
Google the term "strawman argument"
@@imfurrytrash6769 why
@@adminbob_ because he conceded on that argument. And him wanting to change content is not the reason people think the apology is dumb. So this entire comment thread has nothing to do with the argument at hand. Just a diversion
I feel like you, again, kind of missed the point of the apology and why people disagreed with your take in the first place.
It also feels like you kinda cherrypicked the most disagreeable comments, because most of the criticism I've seen towards your video was much more nuanced than how you're portraying it here.
He's probably replying to the comments he saw on twitter reddit etc rather than those made on UA-cam I think.
@@saiko-no-kami maybe, but if you're gonna make a whole 20 minute video dedicated to the criticism, why not address the majority of it instead of pretending it was all misunderstandings and people coming to irrational conclusions? I'm sure those exist but like ???
“…kind of missed the point of the apology”
The projection here is off the charts
@@Cloudaddy220 can you elaborate?
@@zeemdotexe first of all Ian didn’t apologize, there was no actual remorse in his words. He’s just appealing to advertisers and creators he “harassed” who still have clout he can leech off of in the space like Tana, as we see by him going on her podcast. You really think all these edgy content creators all had the exact same epiphany about their morals at the exact same time in their careers which just so happened at the same time advertisers stated to crack down on the content they were endorsing?
He’s still ignoring other creators he was supposed to be apologizing to if they don’t have a certain level of clout, he’s just dismissing all the good points he made in his content cop videos, there’s nothing genuine about these apology videos he’s putting out. He’s just trying to appeal to the crowd he feels will bring him as revenue, that was the point of the “apology,” nothing else
I think Charlie just doesn’t understand, like the way I don’t really understand, how stupid kids can really be. I grew up with Idubbbz content but never thought it was ok to call someone a slur.
Point is, it's on the parents for not restricting the kids' internet access.
@@butter3617hell, guidance'll do em better than just tellin em not to watch shit.
They're just gonna grow up to not give a fuck and ignore ya if ya don't make a meaningful connection with em. Especially if they start having that para-social dynamic with someone online who's just on the other end of a camera.
@@butter3617the internet is everywhere. Good luck restricting it cuz it’s pretty impossible 🤷♂️
If they don’t that have shit on there phone they will just hear about it from someone else at school. Best you can do is teach kids right and wrong early so they don’t go down the offensive pipeline. Especially with how popular this was back then, it’s not avoidable.
I personally don’t think the internet should tolerate a 30 year old man in a green suit saying “n*ggerf*ggot” to the world like it’s peak comedy in the first place, but maybe that’s just me 🤷♂️
1. Charlie never used a single slur in the video.
2. It's called "shock humor", so stop getting offended so easily and playing the victim.
@@anoobius3330 "shock humor" and its slurs, fuck up
The apology wasn’t so much “I’m sorry for being a bigot” but more “I’m sorry my content made some people think it’s okay to be a bigot.” There were a ton of kids back in 2016 who felt comfortable using slurs and shit because of creators like idubbbz
You can make the same argument for anything than. I have heard more fuck up shit in a mw2 lobby than anything idubbz said. Most kids can recognize racism is cringe and usually just stop. We all did it. At one point we heard a slur thought it was funny, than just kinda stopped either because a we just realized it wasn’t funny and moved on or b our parents actually explained it.
Kinda sounds like you wish you were able to use slurs
@@Siaman668 yeah, you can make that argument about a lot of things like that back then. But that doesn't make it any less bad? He was a contributor and apologized
Nah he’s just virtue signalling
@@Siaman668 "we all did it", no man💀 not everyone is a terminally online racist westoid.
I was 16 back in 2016, and the impact idubbbz had on me and some of my friends was definitely not any message he was trying to say. I think at younger ages things "context" and "nuance" aren't usually understood, so the message we took to heart was just that spamming slurs = funny.
it is funny
Man the amount of time it took me to find this type of comment is like trying to find good food in a dumpster fire. good job for having a brain in 2023!
@@RBLXDignitysHQ get a girlfriend and move out of your moms basement bro
@@trashjunglr786 i have a wife and an apartment
its funny
@@RBLXDignitysHQwhy?
I can't tell if you're deliberately missing the point because you have a guilty conscience of some kind, or you're actually just somehow missing the point which is shockingly disappointing.
28 IS pushing thirty😂
Pushing thirty is thirty. If you round up ages like that, I hope they don't let you ANYWHERE NEAR ANY buildings with minors in it.
@@Biggsman_IV 28 is basically 30. shut up old man
That was the joke you peanut
As a 12 year old at the height of 2016 edgy humor I can say that edgy shit definitely did effect mainly middle schoolers and 9th and 10th graders I don’t think it was all Idubbbz fault but it definitely did make a difference that you can still see today in certain groups of high schoolers
Nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore. It’s somebody on lines fault people are bad
@@Ahuerta22 it's almost as if people were never taught to have agency to make decisions that they themselves are solely responsible of
@@ivanquintana_ I honestly don’t understand how so many people don’t get this
Thats cause middle schoolers find it funny, Idubbbz didn't popularize the trend of spamming slurs, the kids were already doing it.
@@Ahuerta22 Probably because it’s never that black and white. You can always blame someone else, because it usually is someone else’s fault. Even if you don’t blame the people on the internet, you can blame their parents for allowing them to turn out that way. Or you can blame the parents of the kids who are picking up these bad habits for not doing their job and parenting their kids properly. I don’t understand how you people don’t get this.
My little cousin used to be so bad. He’d constantly say a bunch of blatantly racist things, like calling Muslim people terrorists and stuff like that. He didn’t pick that up from the internet. He picked it up from his mom because she would always say that stuff around him and he started doing it too because he thought that it was okay. Nobody treated this 6 year old like he was a racist because we all knew that he didn’t actually believe what he was saying. He was just parroting things that he heard somewhere else, so we all blamed the person who gave him the ideas in the first place. It’s the exact same thing with Ian and his videos.
I don't think Charlie fully understands the impact it had on a lot of people. I'm both black and gay, and around that time I was younger and a lot less secure in my identity. With the content idubbbz made, the normalizing of slurs and making fun of gay people it was just very hard to stay positive. And it wasn't just him. Because his content was so popular, other creators started copying it and it became cool to say slurs. Then it started leaking into real life. Hearing kids and teens say these slurs wasn't uncommon at all. And then with pewdiepie dropping the n-word hard r and all, or saying 'nibba' and people claiming 'it's not a big deal', it was like our opinions and feelings didn't matter. We were just being talked over. I steered clear from so many youtube channels because it was becoming bad for my mental health, seeing the type of audience they fostered.
So I'm glad he became more mature and saw the error in his ways. It was a heartfelt apology that I actually accept.
This I agree on 100% percent. I feel like a lot people who don't see how bad of an impact idubbbz made with the people of color and how it created a ripple effect on UA-cam. While I am in no way a black person, I still see how bad of impact was created. I was still in middle school and faced with bigoted comments back in 2016 by my fellow classmates. I still faced the bigoted and homophobic comments throughout middle school because some of the kids around said nothing but bigoted stuffed along with the many slurs. It really doesn't pair up well with the stuff that is going on in the news in recent news here in the US.
Dude you need to forget about crap that happened over a decade ago it doesn’t matter. There’s no need to dwell on something that happened so long ago
@@jed1austinchannel772 I can't tell if this is satire or not, I hope it is.
@@jed1austinchannel772 - OP literally said that it negatively impacted their mental health. It may have not been important to you because it didn’t affect you, but that doesn’t mean it was just as unimportant to everyone else. Also, with the way you’re talking about it, you’d think that it was decades old. 6 years isn’t that long ago, and it’s reasonable that some of the people who felt hurt by that content is still around.
@@jed1austinchannel772 Found the cis white man
Love when people commented before finishing the vid
put it back in the oven the take's not baked
I was a teenager during the Onision era. He was popular and I enjoyed his content so I acted more 'random"/used his quotes irl/even made my own Onion-esque videos. Kids mimic what they like.
So video games make kids violent??
You people are all insane
Onision is leaps and bounds more dangerous than idubbz ever was/could be lol. Please tell me you didn't type this with a straight face.
@@Osama_Bin_Ladder you missed the point entirely there eh
*Slow* kids mimic what they like.
I think a major point Charlie is missing is that the apology video isn't just about Ian: it's also about the audience he cultivated and the groups of people that were victimized by them. I think there is far less people who believe he "created" this bigoted audience than Charlie thinks, but I also think that it's pretty common knowledge that you don't need to create something to help keep it alive, especially if they have such a massive platform. So of course he feels guilty about that, not just the immediate consequences of shouting slurs in every vid. As for the victims of said actions, they are the ones Ian is truly apologizing to, because I think he's a decent person now and they're the ones who were affected the most. Whether or not they forgive him, it's up to them, but he was a big (tho not the only) reason why it seemed normal for them to face daily bigotry (I would know because I was one of them). The apology wasn't just a way for Ian to move on with himself, but also a genuine try to give closure to the ones he was responsible for indirectly hurting.
so what
@@admiralkaede stay mad stinky
@@tylersargent3307 are u 3?
@@admiralkaede yes
@@admiralkaede 7 actually hoebag
I was say as a black girl growing up at that time even shane Dawson's videos effected us. So many white kids would pretend to be ghetto when mocking me or calling me anything with ESHA on the end because all black girl names sounds the same? You guys act like racism was just a joke to all of us.
Right??? Like he made this video as a straight white man
@@shaniah9322Yeah straight white men are evil and can never speak ever! I hate men that are straight and especially white! 😠
@@shaniah9322 yes because straight white men aren't allowed to have opinions unless they specifically agree with your exact opinions. good take!
@@Liam-zo4jm he was not affected by racism because he is a straight white male, aka the least marginalised group of people unlike other groups of people
As a human I can't relate
I'm thankful I live life having a mental fortitude that's stronger than a wet paper bag
This comment section definitely does not.
As a fellow 28 y/o man, thank you for defending us. We don’t deserve being called 30. *I’ll add that this is an obvious joke since people are being weird af*
get outta the way gramps!!!!!
@@seaurchinted 😭
I can hear Kevin hart saying Damn real loud😂
@Saya Nara um, the whole thing is a joke. I don't know how that isn't blatantly obvious.
Guys it’s just a joke lol I don’t care about getting older. Older me makes way more money than younger me, and my place is way nicer than my dirty college housing. Aging has its perks ❤️ But to the younger gen out here, just make sure you enjoy it!
To quote one of your own videos, “Calling this an apology is a disservice to apologies; he is literally just justifying his reaction.”
^^
Yeah i guess that does apply to idubbz's apology
@@jesterbomb6763 idk, ask this guy. That's the only apology that he was talking about
I really don't think Charlie was even attempting to apologize... he literally was just trying to explain his points more clearly.
@@lj0727 I mean Charlie apologizes for people misunderstanding him lol so I guess he is saying sorry for not making his point very clear from the beginning.
Its crazy how when you are a commentary channel, your words and how you say them matter. This hurts to say as a major Critikal fan (still a fan btw), but this whole scenario was a massively moist L for the channel.
I'd recommend clearing your mind and rewatch his videos on it, and be open to what he's saying
How is saying that Idubbbz shouldn’t apologize for other people’s actions an L take? Idubbbz denounced hate and racism. He never encouraged it. He never condoned it. He was living like everyone else in a time before people were extremely sensitive to vocabulary.
Agreed. I was a fan of Content Cop as a teen and I remember when the video on Tana came out…then suddenly tons of kids thought it was okay to say the N word. I was called it multiple times by people I knew who thought it was okay or just edgy humor because of this. Seeing all of the comments of other people who were negatively impacted is also very telling.
I’ve been a fan of Charlie since way before his face reveal when he just played dumb internet games…So to see Charlie say the apology (not even targeted at him) was not needed and no big deal is really dissapointing.
Yeah you’ll forget about it in a month pal
@@TheNINDLE hehehe, I never forget lmao 🤣. Maybe try saying it again in another 2 months
I hope he reads the comments on these videos. That he still does not get what he’s missing in the situation is kinda tough.
I think he's just showing that he's smarter than the majority of his viewers. Again, his point was that the people who were content copped did deserve it and that should not be apologized for. Not that the racism wasn't bad. It sucks most of his viewers don't have the iq to separate 2 points from one another.
I don't watch much of Charlie's content. But from what I can see Charlie has a personality that doesn't allow self reflection. He believes no matter what the issue is, he's always the one with the most correct viewpoint. I doubt he's going to read these comments and have an epiphany telling him he is not the person Ian's video was meant for. He's opened his mouth on the subject and we all know he's not going to shut it. He took this apology personal. Like it is strictly for him and that couldn't be further from the truth.
@@oxaile4021he shouldn’t have said shit, no one was apologizing to him.
@@302manman6 Does it matter? everyone has a say.
@@Skrunk. the point is that the apology was never addressed to Charlie so of course he thinks its stupid.
If someone didnt do anything wrong TO YOU and aplogized to someone else and you jumped in like "you shouldnt apologize for nothing thats so stupid", that would be quite stupid. And charlie did that.
Props to Charlie for continuing to be willing to discuss the responses to his takes on stuff.
With this, I think one thing Charlie might be missing is that you don't need to be super young to be impressionable.
i make 10x better content than penguinz0
@@icevalkyrie_ did you reply to the right comment...?
@@skyetan86 It's a bot, the Israeli flag paired with the use of "misgender" out of context makes it obvious.
@@icevalkyrie_ wrong comment dude
@@icevalkyrie_ sure
If someone feels bad for what they did, it doesn't matter how long ago it was, it's never too late to apologize.
Exactly, I couldn’t have said it better. This is how I felt when watching the last video. It’s okay to apologize when it’s unprovoked?
i make 10x better content than penguinz0
@@icevalkyrie_ you should apologize
@@Sad_Tomato You just replied to a bot.
@@brenturner1160you just replied to a stranger that you will never meet
how did you miss so badly . . . *again?*
oh it got worse
I won't lie, I remember when Idubbbz was really popular, some my friends genuinely used him and his videos to justify saying the N word, and would literally quote him and his slurs to me, a black guy.
I tried to brush it off, but in hindsight, he did have a genuine effect on the way people viewed such behavior, and I think it's great he's apologizing for it.
He was a lot of the reason why that type of "humor" was so prominent. He wasn't merely a product of his time, which I think is the major misunderstanding here.
Also, not to pull the race card, but a white guy, especially an adult, would definitely have an easier time seeing it as "just edgy humor".
I always thought he was extremely cringe and still think he is, I would like to see him apologize for that nasty and disgusting video he made of eating vomit, hair and toenails, he's a disgusting degenerate p.o. s
this is real asf 💯
You literally pulled the race card
@@666Kaca it was to put moists argument into perspective. Moist doesn’t experience the consequences of idubbbz influence.
@@666Kaca he literally didnt
Just accept u dont understand it and move on. Everyone has a brain dead take every once in a while
I think you’re still a kid and you don’t understand where he is coming from. A bunch of kids thinking it’s ok to blame their shitty behaviour because of what they saw on UA-cam? That doesn’t fly. Take accountability. Idubbbz should not be taking the blame because your parents did a bad job.
@@52BLUEdoes a cult leader hold any responsibility if he influences the cult to give him all their money?
@@52BLUEliterally no one is saying that. You’re making that shit up
@@plasmanip3998 are those people who give that cult leader money idiots?
You people are babies. Go back to watching Hasan Piker
You didn’t actually change any aspect of this take. You just said the same thing twice. Unsub.
I'm sure he'll miss you... not lmao
@@cats9994 seeing as he's been covered by D'Angelo Wallace, he's definitely going to be feeling something 😂
there's nothing "edgy" about saying slurs and encouraging hate. nothing at all bruh
As a black highschooler during the years of 2012-2016 and loved idubbz but also got a lot of these "jokes" made directly to me with ill intent
Yeah right? But I also assume that these hormonal dumb teenagers who got "high" off of Idubbbz are grown ass people now and probably forgot Idubbbz even existed. Everyone is acting like Ian was the chief propagandist for the KKK. Like seriously, someone should go to /pol/ and ask how many of those guys are there because they watched an Idubbbz vid in 2016. I don't think there are any.
Same
And how is that Idubbbz fault in any way? How is he responsible for others actions?
Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.
@@charliem4560 yes, the common tactic to try to silence black voices as when they are literally just talking about shared experience. And who said he wasn’t worth being criticized??
Watched all 3 vids and I'll admit your take was surprising. While the labels on you are complete lunacy, I think the main problem is that there was just no productive discussion to be found from analyzing his apology and trying to insinuate that he shouldn't have felt as bad as he did, his content shouldn't have had such a huge impact, it shouldn't be as big of a deal as folks are making it out to be, etc. I understand the sentiment, but there's a difference between what *should* be and what *is.* He DID feel bad. People WERE affected, as your own comments are increasingly finding the motivation to relay to you. Ian was huge back then and I don't think I need to remind anyone what was going on in 2016. It is what it is. You hit the nail on the head at 12:20.
As many have said, Ian's apology was for those people. I don't think it applies to you- and hey, I'm glad it doesn't- but you're an analytical commentator, so to make an entire video about it just felt odd, especially with the only takeaway being a notion of "I don't think he's as guilty as he felt."
I totally agree that the recipients of Content Cop were not angels and making fun of trash/dangerous content is fair. Way too much of the spotlight is sitting on the CC concept. I don't get that.
I hope this makes sense. Reasonable viewers don't think you're the boogeyman, lol. I just feel a bit more perspective was required here.
The thing is he makes videos about everything dumb shit or deep shit so it’s not rly a matter of “it didn’t deserve a whole video” as if Charlie has some sort of barometer on what deserves a video
Very well said👌🏻
@@4purs That's fair. Anyone can make a video about anything. I just think the ones about this situation missed the mark
Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.
@@charliem4560 No one said it wasnt? The overwhelming majority of people, and Ian himself, are criticizing the way his Content Cops were formatted and delivered. Everyone agrees that Ian made good points in his videos, but they were packaged in damaging ways
You just can't decline an apology that wasn't directed at you. It's that simple. Imagine that interaction offline for a second. Person A apologizes to Person B, then Person C who wasn't involved at all jumps in and says "It's all cool, and honestly, I think you're wrong about your own assessment of yourself here." That's weird AF.
No need to apologize
It was pointless
@@GransPicker not up to you what’s worth apologizing for. It’s literally between the person apologizing and the person they’re apologizing to. Again, it’s weird to insert yourself into something between other people that doesn’t concern you.
@@kd8663 he clearly has a unnecessary approach to his situation. It’s not weird to tell someone they’re overreacting. He was playing a character just lie, frank and max and basically. They’re all *characters* not meant to be taken serious. Idubbz problem is that he did
@@GransPicker it’s up to him to decide if he wants to apologize. Random strangers on the internet don’t matter.
This comes across to me as you just projecting yourself on the situation. Youre not talking about him, you see yourself in him and you feel a sense of injustice because you yourself never intend to harm anyone, and feel that its wrong that people took harm from his content, bc you are afraid that people take harm from your content. Time for some introspection my guy
Oh i bet deep in his video list must be "edgy" content.
Exactly
It's hard to arm chair psychologist a dude through a one way screen but aight.
I thought it was quite bizarre that Charlie was essentially telling someone what they should, or shouldn't, apologize for. If you're not the offended, or offending, party, of course you think there would be no need to apologize. As neither party to this incident, it was weird that you would state that. I mean sure you can have that viewpoint that you don't THINK they NEED to apologize, but to state that you KNOW THEY DONT NEED to is...bizarre, because the only ones who know that are the offended and the offender.
Yeah he really missed the mark with both these videos
I can understand wanting to talk about why you don’t necessarily understand why someone made their apology, but I don’t think this video format really works for it. It would come off a lot more natural if he did it over a stream and interacted with chatters to get their takes on it
@@kaylagraves4169he really did lol
Grow up. There is no crime, there is no victim, he doesn't need to apologize because there is nothing to apologize for, he apologized because he doesn't like what he did regardless if there's anyone to apologize to.
@@Jitzau I didn't say he needed to apologize either. I just said it was a weird statement. I didn't even leave a comment on his first video because all I said was "Ok, weird take," and moved on with my day.
Tbh I don't think either of them needed to apologize. But it's weird to say someone shouldn't have apologized instead of just saying you don't think they need to when you're not one of those two parties.
Like of course everyone makes commentary on shit like this. People shouted "Will Smith should apologize for slapping Chris Rock!" despite not personally being involved, this makes sense and is fine.
But if someone had come out AFTER Smith apologized and said "Well, *he didn't really need to apologize because he didn't punch ME* in the face," that would be a weird take. At least to me it would be, but I guess maybe not to everyone.
16:40 This seems to be where most of us are taking issues with your take. There is absolutely a younger crowd that was heavily influenced by his content and was unable to see the satire or nuance. You were right when you said that Idubbbz didn't create edgy content, that he was just molded by it like Bane but he did turn into the posterboy for the genre on UA-cam at the time.
Edit for the brain dead replies: I'm saying charlie hit the nail on the head on my timestamp, not that he doesn't get it. That's why he said "I was probably wrong about this.".
Also, none of this really matters. No one asked Idubbbz to apologize lol at least it was sincere even if not necessary.
he needs to see this. usually i’m really on board with charlie’s takes but this is strange
Wait but he agrees with you
You are not 'we' you are an individual speaking for everyone else and that's pretty problematic fam
If you let yourself be influenced by ppl on the internet you weren’t raised right and that’s not on the creator to apologize take it up with your parents or whoever you grew up around it’s not idubz fault therefore no apology warranted.
@@pushinpencils258 this. The reason the tranny brigade is so animated over this is because it's their wet dream to be able to attribute 3rd party crimes onto people who did not commit them
just gonna leave a lil quote from the apology video that you either completely skipped over or ignored because it was more convenient to the point you're trying to make: "casual racism is still racism, casual bigotry is still bigotry".
it's not up to you to decide whether or not his content was bigotted or harmful to marginalized people. the fact that you're missing the point and dismissing his casual use of slurs as "edgy shock humor" is sort of emblematic of the issue that he's trying to point out with the apology
Realizing nobody in the comments actually watched this video
He specifically mentioned in the video how he met a trans fan who thought he was transphobic, and how that event was a wakeup call for him
The problem is construing the humor as “just edgy” and denying the real harm it has had on others.
its easy to excuse and minimize harm when none of what was said and done impacts you in anyway.
@@matcha9250 YUP.
........ What harm?
exactly, I feel like he's trying to keep is "chill youtuber who doesn't give any flyin fucks" vibe but like,,, dude racism isn't just cringe its seriously harmful
@@nopenoppitynope1923 …… normalizing using racial slurs?
i just don't get why you needed to have a take on this, considering you were not affected in the slightest by the videos featuring slurs and bigotry. like man just leave the people who were affected to accept or refuse the apology because it's just really not your place
Why is it your place to say whether he can have an opinion on it? It's just a stupid, circular argument that you're making.
@adilliah It only sounds daft because of how you're choosing to phrase it. By saying he's 'rejecting' an apology, you make it sound as though Charlie has responded with 'well, we don't accept your apology'. He's simply critiquing Idubbbz's reasons for apologising to begin with. That is all.
Man still does not get it😢
i think the main reason people disagreed with the last video is bc it seemed like you didn’t really understand the impact idubbz’ old content had
Kids are like sponges. If their favorite youtuber tells them that its ok to say slurs, & that they’re actually being brave intellectuals by doing so, they will 1000% do so. and they did. so good on ian for recognizing that making a world where people are more likely to call each other slurs is actually a BAD thing. and good on charlie for making an update
Damn! If only youtube had a place kids could go where only videos for them would be shown, but where could we find such a place?!?
@@silvertriforce2574 13 year olds are still kids, they aren’t going to be watching cocomelon
He has no reason to apologize. It was a different era. It’s completely baffling that people don’t understand what parenting is.
Also, the real reason people are mad at him is because he’s acting like a loser with no self respect. His narcissistic wife being the primary source of that.
@@silvertriforce2574 the reality is the vast majority of kids have unrestricted access to the internet and will for years to come, and that will have big consequences down the line. Parents don't want to parent their children anymore and be aware of what their kids are doing online. That's the reality of the situation now and its not changing anytime soon.
@@Zones33 not true. The 60s was a different era, but it would be BOLD to say that racists back then shouldn’t apologize for their actions. It’s not about the times-it’s about acknowledging what happened then and how we can improve. It’s growth.
i think including the anecdote about meeting a fan would have absolutely been warranted. that shit made me almost cry.
It was interesting in his last video on this charlie said something like "I don't know you and you don't really know me, creators dont owe their audiences anything". Where Ian is specifically talking about how his views started to change as his audience started to become real people to him...just thought that was interesting
Charlie love defending Mr beast when people call him out for making kindness content on a large scale but if conservative want to cancel him for supporting his trans friend Charlie is absolutely dead silent, he also ignored that anecdote about the trans fan, I'm getting bad vibes from that
It was hard to hear it’s really hard to hear, He’s smart and I don’t mind he isn’t an activist or anything that’s perfectly fine that’s his views but he missed the mark massively
@@jokistm1201 imagine trying to insinuate someone's a transphobe just because they don't touch on trans topics
@nebula his friend Kaya is literally a matt Walsh fan. It's not a big leap, sorry you're so parasocially blind lmaoooo
Is Charlie so used to people agreeing with him that he actually can’t think *critically* about the topic and see how his take was ass??
This isn’t a problem of misinterpretation his takes were just incredibly irrelevant and missing the point of the video 🤦🏽♂️
he may not have made edgy internet culture but he amplified it. I wanted to be like idubbbz as a young teen and I would say slurs all the time and so did my friends who also watched idubbbz.
yeah idk what makes this different from shane dawson's blackface. neither of them were ideologically racist, but their actions were racist and made their audiences think it was cool to do those things. they hurt people, directly or indirectly, and as charlie isn't part of the hurt group, he doesn't get to decide if the apology is warranted or not.
Sounds like you were an illiterate teen. Still are now. You only give that word power just because. That's what illiterate people do.
@@feefeedee9865 yeah. its kinda funny that people are ready to make a fuss about words on the internet but then they themselves proceed to insult others on reddit and twitter for calling their obesity out
@@feefeedee9865 you're the exact type of person idubbbz is ashamed to have been associated with lol
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it yeah, it’s hypocritical really. The people who are the most sensitive are usually the least kind and attack anyone who they think is doing something ‘wrong’ or they don’t like. A nice person saying a slur as a joke is literally less toxic than them
As a 23 year old European, Idubbz was the main reason my friends and me thought it was cool blurting out slurs back then.
None of us cared for screaming the N-Word repeatedly until he made us think its cool. I respectfully think that you SERIOUSLY underestimate how many boys he reached. iDubbz created a generation of young men GLOBALLY, who made racism our personality. He has affected the lives of millions of minorities who were harassed by people like teenage me.
I'm so glad to see other Europeans in this comment section talking about their experiences, because I can't stress enough how much of an impact his content had. And like, how easy it was to see who did and didn't watch his content. Because the folk who didn't speak English or watched other content had a WHOLE other way of acting than idubbz fans did! Like a whole vibe shift. I was on the other end getting bullied and it saved me a lot of grief to stay away from teens who watched his content
Yes he was an outlet for young white males who were constantly being told that their existence as straight, white males was evil and that they were the cause for all wrongdoing on this planet. Meanwhile minorities were allowed to use any insult they wanted against them. Idubbbz had very logical points that he brought up and many people could see that and thus followed him.
I was young when I first watched the idubzz content cops and I told/showed it to all my friends. We thought it was funny asf (even though being 22 now, the humor is stupid looking back on it obviously). However. Through all the years we watched idubzz, never once did any of us blurt out slurs like insane people. His content was filled with slurs, and we were children watching it, but we all knew better than to do that. You’re saying idubzz is the reason you start yelling out slurs? I don’t really think you can blame content cops on the behavior you engaged in when you were young. But hey that’s just my opinion.
@@HawkMoonIGOTIT I think you both make good points, but ultimately it comes down to how someone's raised. You can watch edgy content sure, but if you have a good environment and supportive family and/or friends, then it isn't going to turn you into a terrible person or anything like that. Ultimately, most kids (and many adults) are impressionable and will take after whoever they think is in the right in life, and not everyone has a good support system to make sure they won't, for instance, devolve into pointlessly edgy racist idiots.
Bro the fact that you thought racism was cool because of a video is more on you than anything.
Yall got the softest hands ive ever seen
Nobody is being uncharitable, you said Ian just made "edgy" content and refused to look at it any other way because you're not hurt by it in any way. People were harmed by the laissez-faire attitude Ian created towards saying slurs and racist stuff. It affected me all the time as a teen and I had to suck it up and have my mental health deteriorate because everyone called me too sensitive and said "it's just edgy humor"
No he didnt create edgy internet culture but he re-inpsired a new era of it and this resulted in many many many people including myself being harassed, scarred and harmed because of the bigoted jokes and slur catchphrases and cruel content. The apology was warranted.
The jokes were funny
@@sir7544 no they weren't
@@Calax93 Humor is subjective, this is such a retarted thing to argue abou lol
@@sir7544 they were funny to you because you weren't affected/directly insulted by them 😭
@@sparkles7111 Then dont fucking watch the videos if you feel insulted. He can make what he wants, its up to the audience to decide whether they are going to act retarded and go out into the world and shout slurs.
not only was I young when I encountered Idubbz's content, I wasnt american. I had no context for the slurs he was using so I took his words at what they were, without knowing the impact they had. His content, regardless of intent introduced to me the normalization of not taking racism seriously so long as it's "just words".
It’s just jokes
This! This happened to me with another YT too who actually said "it's just a word"
if you are not american you should definitely know that its just fucking words.
for fucks sakes LMAO
@@PumaArg hamon beat?
@@bryce9083 dude literally read a paragraph about someone experience about being desensitized to slurs, and how it affects people and said “it’s just a prank bro” go touch grass
I really think he should apologize. you just can’t accept it because you literally are not a minority that has the slurs he said used against him. How do you not see how much he influenced the kids around him??
he’s also incredibly privileged and will never understand the nuance of these things unless he chooses to look into it. then again, this is someone who is friends with people like Kaya, so he might be battling with his own insecurities
Because it really didn't. I see a lot of personal anecdotes about it being some detriment in schools, but as a person who was one of like 8 total black people at my middle school during idubbbz peak, that has never been a problem.
@@acommenter3939 as a person in a similar position as you, the apology was meant for the people who were actually hurt. Just because people like me and you were fortunate enough to not have to experience that, doesn't invalidate the experiences of others who were affected by idubbbz's content.
White person can't have opinions ever, understood. This is a comment.
I’m black and I didn’t care about the content. Most of my friends are black and they didn’t care either. Most of the time we found it funny. That doesn’t matter to you, though. Charlie could be black as coal and giving the same take and you’d still just call him an Uncle Tom and say his opinion isn’t valid. What you *actually*care about is whether he’s willing to tout the party line and say what you want him to say. His race doesn’t matter to you lmao
You’re telling on yourself