I find it fascinating that in a game that is not even out yet you have more fun and more to talk about in comparison to a polished game that is fully released and in the works for 8 years.
The Reason Yamatos design feels out of place because the previous iteration of Deadlock was called Neon Prime, which had a cyberpunk feel to it, and her backstory was that shes an alien who became obsessed with Japanese culture so she larps as a samurai. (No im not making this up). She and a few more like Grey Talon and Haze will get entire visual redesigns to fit the games new artstyle as stated by the devs.
I largely like the look of Haze, so I'm a bit upset to hear that. But as long as they keep the mail-worker, government-agent button-up with the poofy sleeves, I'll be happy.
@@smefgrimstae7845 I'm pretty sure Haze's will just be the one we see in the loading screen. So very similar to what we have now but with proper pants, more striking color contrast and with her smoke "hair" loose.
The characters are on their first draft 3D model (some needing complete overhauls too) and people are already enamoured with them. Voice acting carries so much of these characters right now.
Infernus and Lady Geist have got to be my favorites, especially in terms of voice acting. All of these characters have so much charm and life in them and I'm already excited to see their final designs. Also love Bebop specifically for his story (though his VA is outstanding, too). I love Ms. Shelly and Bebop's relationship and hope he finds a way to save her :( maybe that's why he's one of the ones trying to summon the Patrons?
@@Tintelinus God, the _voice acting!_ You learn EVERYTHING you need to know about a character from what they say and how they say it. My favorite example? You can tell that Lash is just an ego maniac who loves proving that he's better than everyone. Conversely, you get the feeling that Bebop is a much more kindhearted character, who is fighting for reasons greater than just "I like hurting people." Their dichotomy is really well shown, especially considering all their voice lines they have with each other and how deep the rivalry goes
@@TheHarlequin2 yup, the Patrons even say it at the beginning of the game sometimes. They say something along the lines of "Summon me and Ms. Shelly will be healed"
I can totally imagine Infernus playing a sax at a smooth jazz bar, his design is so, SO, peak. Everything about him is just so perfectly realized and well executed.
Part of Valve's character design is having all the detail be in the top half of the character, where people are gonna be looking and aiming at during gameplay. You can see that in tf2, where most characters have dark pants and shoes with very little detail, while they've got brightly colored shirts with ammo and vests and symbols
It's especially pronounced in Dota 2 because Dota 2 is played from a top-down perspective so there's a bunch of characters with giant torsos and tiny legs because (I infer) that's what's readable/dramatic from the overhead view. TF2 is a better example since it's another shooter, I just wanted to mention Dota cuz it's funny/extreme.
This is a good point. Valve's Dota Style Guide document explicitly covers this topic. Characters have a gradient of saturation from top to bottom leading the eye to focus on higher character elements.
I hope they never change Lash's background. Also it's worth noting that many of the characters have unique animations when using the ziplines that can add to the character, like Shiv hanging by his feet, Ivy using her tail, Pocket using a frog thing that comes out of the suitcase, stuff like that. Infernus rides in a relaxed pose while Abrams is tense, feet forward and ready to land.
I could imagine they do a Pyro thing with Lash, where voice lines and extended material imply a lot about his character, but the only thing known 100% for certain is *that he‘s an Asshole.*
Lash main here! Upon first glance, I thought Lash's design was based heavily off of old pugilists (boxers) from the 1930's. But then I started realizing certain things about his model that imply more about his character beyond "old timey boxer". For one, he has a windlass with an anchor attached to his back; he has an ascot tie; he has an anchor tattoo; he (funny enough) has sausage links and a tin can with beans attached to his hip. Everything points to him being a sailor. I actually asked my fiancé about the sausage links and the can of beans since she's actually in the Navy, and she immediately laughed upon seeing it. She said that the sausage links is (possibly) a reference to "Chief's Meat", and that the bean can pair is a reference to "beanies and weanies" (a stereotypical meal of sausages and beans, typically associated with old sailors in the Navy). Plus he wears the colors of Navy; good old Navy blue. You gotta love it haha. Another thing to point out that somebody replied to me on this was that Lash's name is a possible reference to a type of knot called the "Lashing Knot", which makes sense given that his abilities are entirely based around using his "lines" (Navy term for ropes). There's even a foghorn sound that plays out whenever you use his ult.
I think Bebop having a bit of murderbot in him makes a bit of sense tbh. His creator is called Ms. Shelly, so like, he's not just Pinocchio he's also Frankenstein's Monster
I think that would be more well sold if they leaned harder into the junkyard aesthetic. He doesn't really look "cobbled together" all THAT much, he's just a somewhat brutalist design. I think roughing up his design with rusty metal and less high-tech parts, along with simpler shape language on his face would best achieve what the backstory is going for.
@@DrCaesarMD Apparently the game used to be going for a more high-tech, cyberpunk aesthetic, and Bebop definitely seems like he was designed more for that. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a visual rework before release to bring him more in line with the new setting and art style.
@@DrCaesarMD His current model is a hold over from Neon Prime, when the game looked more like Overwatch. He's one of the characters that's getting a redesign to fit the game's new aesthetic.
@@DrCaesarMD His mom probably cares too much about him to build out of shit parts, or let him rust. Also, rust can be removed or painted over. In his case I think both is the case. Thinking on it, They could visually show that he added his weapons himself or something. maybe have some missing plating in places. that sorta thing.
Man I'm glad Valve realized that the cyberpunk 80 90's style is getting over saturated and boring. Every hero shooter is going for that kinda style recently. The new style with old 80's Chicago vibe goes hard with the magic/spirit aspect of the game. Now all we need is for them to cook up a collection of jazz.
Its all 3 I think. Don't know where the game takes place exactly, timewise, but Abrams feels very 80s cop show vibes. the rest of it is very old school, but also in a strangely fallout sort of way? Like the supernatural basically was revealed 50 years before the game started, and culture stagnated for a good while in parts, because adapting to the supernatural was put before anything else for a while.
bit of a war/weapons nerd here: ivy's gun is basically one of those silly ww1/ww2 sub-machine guns that had the mags attached sideways, ivy's gun is a little exaggerated by having *two* mags on both sides of the gun (atleast i THINK it's exaggerated, i've seen some weird prototypes from that era of weapon technology), and exaggerated even more by the fact that those 2 mags auto fill themselves (somehow) ivy is 100% my favourite, i love her
I wonder if they did that to invoke the look of a cross with the gun, since she is a gargoyle (which are often on cathedrals) and the hispanic connection which often also comes with a healthy dose of catholic faith.
as someone who's currently playing deadlock, thought the concord designs lacked character, and was really enjoying the deadlock designs, i am LIVING through this series
crazy how untextured models with buggy clothing physics still look better than 90% of hero shooters today. good art design is good regardless of fidelity and polish
the thing with concord is that in the animated trailers they put out the characters looked great, but in the weird realistic graphics that they decided to go with for the game the wacky designs just didn't work anymore. Some really odd decisions
From what i remember Grey Talon, Kelvin and Yamato are models taken from an earlier version of Deadlock where the setting was completely different. Kelvin's coat is a quick replacement for an astronaut suit he was originally supposed to wear. Also some character details are missing from their bio but you can get them from character interactions and intro monologues from the patron. Like Shiv having a family that got killed before he joined the monster hunter society, or Seven HATING Kelvin for some reason.
I read somewhere that Lash has no eyes because, in the sci-fi game, he had a visor. They removed the visor but there was nothing underneath so... there he is. Same with Mo apparently.
@nazarenomilohanich4883having been a fan of valve games for years its honestly really refreshing to see how much the devs are interacting with the community on discord
Oh my god im obsessed with Viscous now. A little deep sea alien guy disguising himself as a human but the best he can do is Slime. I love him. Hes just a little guy!
His model feels very unfinished though. I think it's another Neon Prime carry-over, his shadow is a skeleton. It implies a human diver that turned into a slime monster rather than a terror from the deep.
@@colbyboucher6391 yeah, i read somewhere that its just Kelvins “body” with new “meat” added onto it, so it’s definitely gonna change. Im just enamored by the idea of him :P The voice acting definitely fits “psychic sea anemone” more than “dead guy that came back”, so I hope they’ll stick with it!
You GOTTA listen to Viscous's voice lines, they're incredible. "Sometimes, the best way to deal with your problems is to hide from them, and pretend they don't exist." he just like me frfr
Something interesting with Pocket's design is their relying on curses and evil power to survive might parallel the abuses of power their family's company commits and so there's a dramatic irony on how despite their efforts to forge a separate identity they're falling for the same trap
looking at the REALLY unfinished and unreleased characters at the game files you can see how the idea of a more sci-fi type of style was abandoned during the process of making this game, which Im glad it happened, and also explain why some models are quite weird like Grey Talons arm and bow or Bebop itself. im mad curious to see how some stuff will change in the future
Personally, I feel like Bebop still fits. If they steampunkified him a little bit, he'd be perfect, but even as he is now I think he's enough of a junkyard build to look like he could've come from anywhere with the tech level for it. His genuine consciousness can be explained by it coming from the arcane, rather than a super-powerful computer.
Okay, my take on Pocket is that Pocket is the “My power is money.” character Except it’s more “My power is all the rare artifacts I stole from my parents after someone tried to kill me.”They’ve got random stuff he cobbled together that are all insane but pocket doesn’t understand how to meld them together yet. A super powerful poison suitcase, a sentient cloak, a hyper powerful shotgun. Things the average person has no access to that in the right hands would be absolutely deadly, but in theirs they need everything just to be comparable.
It especially makes sense in the context of a world where magic is a normal thing. It feels out of place in our world for a "wizard" to exist, but in a world where magic and artifacts are a normal thing, it wouldn't be something special or unique to see someone using magic. What stands out to me about Pocket especially is how he doesn't use the magic itself so much as he just lets the items do their things. Every one of his skills is just him opening up the suitcase or throwing his coat, he's actually doing very little himself, just letting the stuff he has do whatever they do.
While it won't change his simplicity, Warden's 3 ability definitely fits his aesthetic the most. When you use it on an enemy, there's this blaring alarm that plays and you hear the sounds of the cage rattling around the enemy if they don't get out of the curse area in time. And if you're the one being targeted, there's these tall holographic red walls that indicate where you're supposed to leave, so it does feel like you're getting arrested.
Concord video: Barely reached an hour Deadlock: 2+ hours Really says a lot, lol I genuinely hope this game succeeds, because it's actually got some style and even good humor
I mean deadlock has 100k players in a playtest. I have 80 hours and 35 hours in the last 2 weeks. I am loving it and its a breath of fresh air to play something like this in 2024. I have not played something like this in a long long time. Even overwatch was not this good and I have 2k hours in overwatch.
36:00 I think with the designs of Dota a lot of the heroes are simple and bare because a huge part of the game and community is the cosmetics, where league you have to change an entire skin, Dota each hero has individuals pieces of sets you can equip and mix and match including items that change the model, gender, personality and themeing of the hero entirely.
Also because Dota was a mod for WC3, so a lot of heroes were repurposed assets from base WC3, so what was initialyl designed to be a basic unit, is now a hero
The first character I saw when the playtest was made public was OW Streamer Flats playing as Abrams, and I misunderstood the in-game Patron's voice audio for being the owner of Abrams' book. While I was later disappointed to realize it was just the in-game announcer, it made me DESPERATELY want to play a Call of Cthulhu detective who has found a Necronomicon, tied it to [murder/investigation/plot device] and has begun to lose himself to it. More Harry du Bois energy than the "by the book" design of Abrams in my mind, and I have to thank Deadlock for scratching that part of my brain
If you haven't yet, I recommend checking out the video of the leaked Lady Geist visual novel. It contains the branching story mode of Lady Geist and ties into Abrams' book. Seems relatively complete, with great voice acting and art.
@@Nilon241 Bebop and Lash can both be on the same team. They probably both ask the Patron for the ability to beat the piss out of each other. Ironically, the Patron probably doesn't even need to do anything to achieve that!
I think the reason for Geists hair is that we're playing as these characters from over their right shoulders so a big pink shock of hair would make the visual very uninteresting. I think this is also the teason for Kelvins fur sleeve. He punches with his left arm so they probably wanted it to read better in motion during gameplay.
Regarding Bebops design. Before Deadlock took this sort of 1930's occult aesthetic and lore it was a scifi game. And Bebop, Grey Talon, and Yamato were ripped straight from that into this version of the game for testing.
To be honest, I love bebop's design, and I think his voice acting carries him quite a lot, and there are some things that could be changed a little to make him a but more scrappy and less sci-fi
I think Bebop's design can still work in Deadlock. I wouldnt be surprised if they made some tweaks to make him look more, maybe dieselpunk? But out of all the characters that survived the previous iteration of the game, he came out looking the best.
Bebob will probably stay largely the same. The only change will be his patch work samurai leg armor and beads on his foot which doesn't fit the noire tone.
So, if you notice - Fairfax is also the company McGinnis works for. From what I understand, it's essentially a magical weapons company - hence why a soul-processing machine drew their eyes and why Pocket has a bunch of enchanting stuff. Pocket is, essentially, the heir to a massive PMC/Enchanter's guild combo. Them being so uncomfortable using the suitcase as a weapon and the fact that their ult is non-lethal kind of paint the picture of an heir who was ousted for not agreeing with the military industrial complex that surrounds Fairfax.
The theory I thought of is that the lore suggests that the game takes place in the 50s, 5 years after the end of the Second World War. Perhaps Fairfox industries were very involved in weapons used in war and Pocket, seeing the evil and the number of innocent people who were killed, was against the production of weapons. It is worth remembering that 1947 was the beginning of the Cold War, in which we had the arms race and many tensions of a possible new war. There's no way of knowing whether Valve will use historical contexts for Deadlock's Lore, but I think it's worth thinking about them
It's interesting to see where Deadlock expands its lore through voicelines so you only get insight by playing the character. Why does Pocket have a random magic suitcase when their background is all about their parents? The suitcase was a weapon made or found by their dad, making their discomfort with it a physical embodiment of their discomfort with their parent's legacy and inheritance. Seven also gets a lot of depth from voicelines. He's not just a cackling villain that's going to Ult New York, he's a fairly serious guy who plans to "remake" it afterward and has some class themes going on as well, presenting himself as an impoverished person punished for seeking power and knowledge, now going to press 4 on the seat of institutional power.
Yep!! From his backstory you'd think Seven is the prime example of a bad guy who is bad because he is evil. And, hell, the guy _is_ evil; there was a reason the whole world got together to obliterate his very soul. But in game.. all of his voice lines are calm and cool. Even when Lash insults him, the threat Seven makes in response is delivered with a very level headed temper. Really good spin on the typical Big Evil Bad Evil Guy
It's hard to see in game, but her wings have cathedral stained glass style patterns on them that are visible in the light. Also she has two thumbs on both sides of each hand! It only looks like she has normal hands because of her grip.
Weirdly fitting that Ivy’s support. Despite how they’re depicted, Gargoyles are actually guardians, protecting demons from people. It’s why a lot of Gothic churches have them, it’s to protect people.
And to ward off bad spirits in particular! It would be fitting if Ivy's binding support skill allowed her to lessen curses.. Maybe it already does that, actually..
Seems warden especially, his voicelines, abilities and lore is an entirely different character from the model, i assume warden's model was probably an early concept for Abrams that got repurposed
@@xolotltolox7626 you are correct. check out the drafts for Yamato's redesign. in the bottom right of it, it shows Yamato squaring up against a very rough draft of Warden.
Regarding the fur on Kelvin: The Nansen Expedition was actually using seal pelt coats which had the fur on the outside (I assume because it's waterproof?) as well as wolf fur collars and hoods. So it's not completely uncommon. However, a notable difference in the approaches of Nansen (and Amundsen if I recall correctly) is that they paid a lot more attention to how the indigenous cultures around the arctic were surviving as opposed to the British who kind of just thought they knew better. Keep in mind that I'm not an expert though, I've just read Nansen's expedition diaries.
Absolutely this. Kelvins whole thing looks like a simplified take on traditional inuit parkas. (if his rune thing is supposed to be carved whale bone I see it even more) The key difference between the western and eastern arctic regions is the humidity. The cold isn't really the thing that gets you here, its the wind. On a calm sunny day even -35c can be completely comfortable with minimal coverage and insulation. Add a 50km/hr wind in to what is effectively a frozen desert though, and all the moisture in your skin gets ripped out in seconds, flash freezing flesh in a similar way to what liquid nitrogen does. Because of this, the fur collars and trim on all of the seams of the outfits are actually vitally important design elements, designed not to insulate or layer warmth, but to wick moisture away from the face and extremities!
I don't know if you noticed but the little candle minions, when you hurt them, the lower their health is the more melte their head becomes ! Such a cool little detail
Oh man the comment about Lady Geist's accent not being a transatlantic accent really makes me wish they take that into consideration since its such a good fit and a rare/fun accent to have in a game (especially as its also time period appropriate (?))
Yesss the voicelines of the characters as they level up, use skills, kill and get killed by enemies, destroy and secure objectives, respawn, buy items, get reprimanded or praised by the Patron, quips by the Shopkeeper, etc
i kinda love warden's design, the fact he is just that generic grunt type character makes him stand out more among the more special magical characters and makes him feel a bit more relatable as a normal grunt. Though i do wish his actual backstory played more into the generic grunt bit and not the "family lineage of monster hunters" thing, he looks too standardized and uniform for that his disdain for the perfect grunt design bothers me, i love generic grunts so much especially when they clash with more wacky characters
the thing is, they are gonna change his design. if you look at the drafts of the redesigned Yamato, you can see a rough draft of Warden in the bottom right corner. Apparently he has a cape as well, as told by the Curiosity Shop Merchant when you buy things from him as Warden. Even though i do like this Design, its gonna change and it will be more interesting.
For McGinnis and the makeup comments. As someone who interacts with a lot of blue collar workers who come.in all greasy. Normally they tend to have eyeliner and light makeup, so I don't really see an issue with the makeup, as it reflects a lot of the working class women I've personally interacted with.
Yeah, I work at a food packaging plant, and most of the women honestly have pretty heavy makeup - it's just expected of women in general, really. I do agree with Skyen that McGinnis probably doesn't really need it, though. I'd like to see some bushier eyebrows on a lady!
as a girl that work with a lot of different types of woman , they just feel like it ! and don't need a excuse or reason to wear make up . I wear winged liner cause I feel like it and takes me not even a minute. McGinnis strikes me the type "I just fucking feel like it "
Yep, this. It's meant to evoke the whole gothic crossbow thing in appearance, and function like a gun to fit the gameplay and setting. Quite smart imo.
@@NoshuHyena Looks like a crossbow to remind you that she literally came from the medieval era, but stings like a gun to remind you that this ain't the 1300s and guns are a constitutional right!
Please use all the abilities on dummies before saying "I'm not getting that from design". Animations and voice lines ARE PART of the DESIGN! Please don't skip on them.
really highlighted that point with bebop, talking about personality and whatnot. his animations and voicelines REALLY highlight his personality. sad that it took until grey talon to start going ingame. i find it a bit strange that they skipped over him being a *scrap* golem, aka built from random parts, also the tangent about pinocchio? Bebop is very clearly not innocent whatsoever, he has a giant laser beam arm, and his story even makes a reference that he does nefarious stuff at night.
1:58:00 Funny thing about Elvis, he's actually a major influence for greaser subculture. Greasers LOVED rock n' roll in the 50s and 60s, so who better to emulate than the King of Rock himself? If the game is taking place in 1970s New York, then Shiv is more likely a take on the greaser revival scene.
Given the ads and the art nouveu architecture I'm getting more of a 40s vibe. Could be shiv isn't bringing back the King, but maybe in this version of New York he IS the King...
Me screaming when he doesnt notices the drink shakers and shot glasses on Infernus belt!! Its my favorite part, hes legit my fave character so far. Valve really knows how to make characters. I mean look at tf2 that shit was pretty much red abd blue in soilder attire with some funny cosmatic here and there. They can really make a charater stand out. Also it doesnt help that it looks like its set in a futuristic Roaring 20s or 50s. Both some of my fave time periods to kinda twist and play with. I can't wait to see where this game goes even tho im most likely never gonna play it.
2:22:14 In regards to Warden's character design: I agree that it makes no sense for a character described as an alchemist to look like a police officer... *in a vacuum.* We have to remember these characters aren't their own detached thing, but part of an *actual world* that they all live in. Therefore, we should take into account both Warden's background *and* everything we can gather about Deadlock's world so far, be it voicelines or other backgrounds. Seven's background provides all the info we need here. The very first paragraph states that laws were put in place in order to regulate magic and the occult when those started to become commonplace. Those who violate these laws are obviously persecuted by law enforcement. Going back to Warden, his background states that there are militant alchemists, himself included, who specialize in neutralizing magic and the occult. It does not seem farfetched to me that the group known for being REALLY good at dealing with the supernatural would be in charge of enforcing the law in regards to the supernatural. Also, on the whole "floating in his 4th ability" topic: I take it as a "fighting fire with fire" thing. Criminals use magic to hurt people, Alchemists use magic to stop those criminals. Same method, different means. TL;DR: Warden's design doesn't correlate with his background on its own, but it's actually really solid once you take the world's lore into account. (Also, I understand this is a First Impressions video and there's nothing wrong with that. It's super fun to watch this kinda stuff. It's just that the thought of people watching this and shitting on an actual solid design due to it being "superficially bad" is silly at best to me)
I'm pretty sure whoever designed Warden had no clue of the lore. Look at half the characters and you can see the artists were just making stuff up on the go, and some models - like Warden - are placeholders from an older design. It's a little excessive to assume all this thought and intent from a valve game in closed alpha. As you'd have seen in Dota and TF2, they care very little about the lore of their own games when designing characters
Apparently that dude literally asked them to add more rocks to be crushed faster, as long as he didn't confess to witch craft they couldn't see his stuff
@@mateuszsosnowski5876 I'm not saying she got the arm and continued being an actress. I'm saying the reason she could be vain and wanting to preserve her looks is an obsession with staying young and beautiful due to being an actress formerly.
I really like Ivy's design! I feel like its so rare to see female monster characters that are actually allowed to look monsterous. In a lesser game they would have given her tits and a generic hourglass figure. She alone has sold me on deadlock, def maining her when I get a chance to play it.
When I looked at Grey Talon, the first thing that came to my mind that would really help highlight the contrast between tech and tradition - he should have his actual draw arm be organic while his left, bow arm is gonna be full on tech. And I don't just mean a human arm-looking prosthetic, have it be something that's fully designed to integrate with the bow to the point where both are completely inseparable and maybe also make it bulky and lacking the sleekness that's typically associated with archery aesthetics. Not only would it give him a very distinctive feature (if done properly), I think it would also help accentuate his narrative. That arm would be, effectively, the representation of this past that he once abandoned - a purely utilitarian tool built for war, for hunting, for bringing death, that he laid down when he found happiness in living a simple, family life. Maybe he lived his mundanity without any kind of prosthetic at all (while I have no disability myself, much less so one of that sort, I have heard that plenty of people treat their prosthetics in a similar way and just don't tend to use them a lot or much at all because it feels like a tool - not a comfortable, natural part of themselves) and that could further show that he's, effectively, now been forced to go back to the way he used to be - that this is less of choice and more of a regression which feels like a betrayal to who he truly wishes he could continue being on the inside. I think Ivy's gun is meant to imply a crossbow silhouette, yes, but it's also just a straight up gun, taking inspiration from real world gun models that had their magazines feed in horizontally, like a Sten gun. I believe it's sorta doing that but also making two magazines to give it that crossbow bow shape, which I think is pretty fun and creative. Really do love how she very effectively implies that working class, found family, immigrant background. She'd 100% be part of a union, with some ethical arson on the side.
Also, if anybody else can corroborate or dispute, but Yamato doesn't seem to have a typical Japanese accent, does she? At least, not like any Japanese accent I've ever heard. Potentially very interesting character building detail, if so. Or it could be unintentional too.
Aww, he didn't try out Seven on the sandbox. You missed a shocking ultimate, a really electrifying experience. Didn't even see Seven do his pirouettes 😢
No witches at the Salem witch trials were burned, all those intentionally executed were via hanging, one man died refusing to enter a plea and was crushed by stones during the torture to force a plea and the rest who died died from disease in prison. So unless you want to give Vindicta a broken neck I don't think you could really represent that.
@@Perdix64 Totally agree. Having her neck partially visibly snapped open, with exposed veins and whatnot, would 1) make it even more clear that she is already dead and 2) could lean even harder into the vengeful spirit look. Let's say that her neck was broken, forcing her head to be permanently tilted to the right; conveniently where the sights of her rifle would be! She literally couldn't take her eyes off of vengeance, in that case, always looking at her unlife through the eyes of her sniper scope
@@jooot_6850 I feel if they add a lot of detail to her neck, it’d draw people to her head a lot more. Making a sick twist on how snipers are usually depicted. An example I can think of his Sniper TF2 being more a huntsman look or Widowmaker with her spider googles on her head. With Vindicta, her neck being crooked over her sniper scope could add way more intrigue. With her having no equipment but a constantly crooked neck bent slightly over her rifle to see into her scope. I would say that the interpretation that her bare feet being used to show that she’s vulnerable is a good call.
As somone who plays a lot of Vindicta it was painful hearing about how the different bits of her outfit "aren't integrated into her kit" when they are. The steaks are visible as the anchor with which she pins enemies to the ground, though admittedly at the moment she just throws a glowing ball out. The bell as well because it's part of how she controls the crows, either to send them off to attack or to call up her powers of flight. Which admittedly is a bit weird, why does the ghost need to rely on her crow connection to fly? No idea.
Something i think thats really noteworthy with Ivy i feel is the fact shes like. The most popular character in the community. People fucking love this spanish gargoyle girl, and so do I. For me, it kinda makes me look over at league and its community and what they tend to like, and it really does make them look shallow.
There's definitely some inspiration from the hellboy universe in the setting and it's super obvious with Abrams who is sometimes jokingly called the Pepsi hellboy. Even Thematically they're punchy and reluctantly carry a burden they'd rather be rid of, hellboy's key and Abram's book.
Regarding Mo & Krill, the pair gave me Goon and Franky (from the comic series The Goon) vibes. The series subverts the usual dynamic of "big dumb, little smart" veering more into a Slow, Methodical/Hyperactive, Chaotic balance.
I don't really see why there has to be a "twist" or "subversion of the archetype"? Sometimes Archetypes are fine as they are, that's why they exist! :D
25:15 actually she does have smoke instead of hair, its just a simple shape with a bit of vfx in game because i assume they dont want to sink time and effort to make detailed models for designs that are not 100% finished, but you can see her actual design and hair in her character art and in the loading screen (you can see her loading screen art in 28:10 )
I know, right? For me Warden's design is plenty cool as it is, even if I have to agree that it doesn't gel well with his backstory of an alchemist monster hunter. Wish he had an ability to CC the enemy based on their lack of 'loicense' and get some work done with his night stick.
@@EmperorSigismundi think his design is more up to change rather than his kit and backstory, considering those two actually fit together, whereas the model just seems like a previous draft of Abrams
There are also confirmed changes in design for characters such as Bebop, who will look overall similar but will be more of an automaton made of scrap and have less of the techno elements, having one eye instead of the several and probably ditching the samurai pants, and will have a different face. For Yamato, they have been playing around with different designs that will take away the futuristic elements and instead have either a samurai mobster look, a school/college uniform, or be possessed by a demon.
I'm SO happy they didnt go with the futuristic route (ngl im sick of it lol)... I heard a previous version(?) or smth of it was cyberpunk themed and I'm so happy they went the other way~ Steampunk , magic , ghosts in random rooms ., fricking love it~
Take Skyen's opinion with a grain of salt though. His take is based on how a character look tell a story. Meanwhile Valve's character design is a mixed of both story and gameplay. This is why Skyen has mixed view on DOTA 2 characters because most of them are port from Warcraft and they have to make up their look to match with their abilities while avoiding looking too similar to Warcraft. Imagine Skyen look at TF2 characters design. I can tell you the mercs look very barebone and Valve's intention is to make them distinguish as much as possible. Same to L4D2, they look very barebone but easily distinguishable in gameplay. One thing I love about Deadlock is how each character has their own unique caricature . Ofc some design is lacking but in game, you mostly want to know who you are fighting anyway. Similar to TF2, you want to know who are you looking at, not how beautiful they are.
I think the part of Lady Geist is that she lives mostly cause of her beauty in a way, cannonically she was married to a WW2 general during WW2, so her beauty is the way she gets her power and she knows the value of it more than no other.
The thing about Mo and Krill (Mo is the big guy btw) is judging by their voicelines the one doesn't boss another, but rather work together. "I hold them, and then you punch them Moris" when upgrading his ultimate ability and "I wont go down Mo" when using healing ability as example. Most likely thats the reason they look like big goon and small goon. But yeah, the small guy does feels sometimes unneccessary, maybe they gonna change them.
For Paradox I think the drab coat makes sense, she's one of many, and as such has no need to really stand out that much, lest people recognize her. I think that in lore, the guildmate are meant to feel interchangeable.
Oh also a big theme of the game is "making deals" Pockets quotes imply he found the suitcase and that kept him alive. Every match is you trying to kill an opposing wish granting patron so your wish granting patron gives you a wish. Lash wants his "glory" back. Paradox seems to want to "prove" the worthiness of the organisation Infront of the patron (implied from the patrons quotes towards her). I hope in the future the in-game quotes become easier to find in lobby
Ever since I got access on Tuesday I have been HOOKED. Not only are the character designs amazing (which of course that’s what this entire video is about). but as a game designer myself, valve has once again displayed their sheer masterclass understanding of game design, with all of the mechanics in this game and how they flow so well together. I have over 2000 hours on TF2 and valve has once again got their hooks in my brain…
I love the way characters like Paradox’s voice lines actually give you tips on using her. When you are new it’s easy to forget that her wall is supposed to be a damage/cc tool as well as a blocking tool. I never noticed her talking about swapping an enemy with the urn either but I’ve done it a few times so it’s fun to hear an ult line about it
The first thing that comes my mind when I first saw pocket is Harry Houdini, which I think is their intention, with the similar hair style and clothes, That’s why I got magician from their design
Ironically the Sea Anemone thing makes even less sense now that they updated Viscous' model because now the helmet is seethrough and it's just more goo with a pair of dotted eyes behind it
Hot tip. Viscous is a placeholder model. if you pay attention, its actually kelvin's model with cosmetics removed and texture/material changed. also, if you ever plan on doing an update video for any new models/updated models, you can spawn them in in sandbox mode so you can get a better view of their front, its in the testing tools at the bottom right.
"Too far" is a very good anti cheese mechanic. There was another game that didn't have this and it was the most miserable experience trying to defend your towers against backdoor attacks from assassins. That game is super monday night combat.
Others have pointed it out already but I also wanted to mention Viscous, originally they were a fish piloting like a transparent mech suit, but obviously that doesn't correspond with their new lore and aesthetic. So they quickly scrapped together a model for playtesting, which is just a transparent astronaut suit with a fishbowl head, while they work on a better model. You can actually find this model in the files, and it fits much more, even has coral to callback to the deep aesthetic.
and yeah some of these are great but then a lot of them are like, two people playing a game where they design a character and one writes the story and one draws the dude but they aren't allowed to communicate at all lol
at least some of these guns are definitely placeholder assets: Viscous and Kelvin's are the same model with different colors, for one. EDIT: speaking of those two, I wonder if Viscous' model is just a retextured version of Kelvin's original astronaut spacesuit
A lot of designs seem out of place because they're leftovers from a time when the game had a completely different aesthetic, a cyberpunk futuristic kinda thing called, Neon Prime. For example Bebop's design is straight out of Neon Prime and may be the reason why it doesn't match his current backstory. I suspect the affected characters will get complete overhauls, so it'd be a good idea to do a retake on this video once the game is officially released
It may be a hunch, but Shiv reminds me of those old Japanese high school delinquents (giant pompadour hairstyle, more specifically) more than Elvis. I find it cool, because that makes him standout more from the others by not being so-aggressively American "badass former criminal monster hunter"
@@VainSick you're right, and you know what? Teleporters wouldn't make sense in a 1960 setting, yet we have TF2. We're talking about Valve here, where "rule of cool" rules over sense.
1:45:35 I imagine Pocket having a suitcase in their design represents them being on the run, they are being pushed out of their parent's legacy by force.
So it's pretty common knowledge now that Deadlock had to go through an emergency re-design from "Neon Prime" a while back, a process so rough it's not even finished yet... But how long back did that re-design start? Valve registered the "Neon Prime" trademark back in October 2022, so that was probably when the expanded playtest started -- the one that brought feedback that required this change. "Deadlock" started closed alpha testing somewhere around 3-4 months ago, it seems. Pretty good turnaround time, all things considered.
36:00 My two cents on Dota's designs is that Dota has a hero roster that's completely free (no grind/cash required to unlock) and cosmetics that work like accessories instead of full skins. They don't have to worry about selling the new character or skins so they don't have to go for "appealing to the Lowest Common Denominator" type design. Instead they prioritize representing the gameplay and lore, which leads to both unique newer heroes and simpler older ones. For me the simple ones are iconic too, can't imagine a dota without axe or tidehunter.
Something with Mo&Krill that isn't immediately obvious is that most of their abilities come from Krill, the little guy. His lifesteal and pocket sand are all Krill, and even in the combo, Krill's actually immobilising the target with his powers while Mo whales on him. I think that helps a lot with their dynamic.
and also the fact that Mo is most definitely blind or has poor vision as most moles are, which makes Krill feel a lot more necessary as part of their duo.
Not a word of a lie: I had NO IDEA I had been talking for THAT LONG. I was just having too much fun with them.
I don't blame you. I wished to see more since the leaks appeared. Even just the abilities
Hello mister Skyen the Third, I would very much appreciate it if you could take a look at the trailer for the animated movie Look Back
if ur on a zipline u can look at the character from more angles
You can ride one the yellow glowing line to look at their front btw, not sure if there are other ways but they are great
I find it fascinating that in a game that is not even out yet you have more fun and more to talk about in comparison to a polished game that is fully released and in the works for 8 years.
The Reason Yamatos design feels out of place because the previous iteration of Deadlock was called Neon Prime, which had a cyberpunk feel to it, and her backstory was that shes an alien who became obsessed with Japanese culture so she larps as a samurai. (No im not making this up). She and a few more like Grey Talon and Haze will get entire visual redesigns to fit the games new artstyle as stated by the devs.
Oooooh! Well, that makes sense I guess!
I largely like the look of Haze, so I'm a bit upset to hear that.
But as long as they keep the mail-worker, government-agent button-up with the poofy sleeves, I'll be happy.
@@smefgrimstae7845 I kinda expect they'll change her guns and maybe put her Fed agency logo on her somewhere.
@@smefgrimstae7845 I'm pretty sure Haze's will just be the one we see in the loading screen. So very similar to what we have now but with proper pants, more striking color contrast and with her smoke "hair" loose.
@@ridori7376 I hope so :)
"I don't think she really needs a head." -Skyen invoking his inner French Revolutionary
That's one of those sentences you /really/ gotta keep in context
“You could make a religion out of tha- no, don’t.”
-Bill Wurtz
Considering the OSIC is shadier than the C-I-fucking-A, it's a valid opinion
The candles on the minions' heads burn down as their HP decreases, which is pretty neat.
The characters are on their first draft 3D model (some needing complete overhauls too) and people are already enamoured with them. Voice acting carries so much of these characters right now.
Valve always does a good job with the voice acting. TF2 and Dota both are great at it.
Infernus and Lady Geist have got to be my favorites, especially in terms of voice acting. All of these characters have so much charm and life in them and I'm already excited to see their final designs.
Also love Bebop specifically for his story (though his VA is outstanding, too). I love Ms. Shelly and Bebop's relationship and hope he finds a way to save her :( maybe that's why he's one of the ones trying to summon the Patrons?
@@Tintelinus God, the _voice acting!_ You learn EVERYTHING you need to know about a character from what they say and how they say it. My favorite example? You can tell that Lash is just an ego maniac who loves proving that he's better than everyone. Conversely, you get the feeling that Bebop is a much more kindhearted character, who is fighting for reasons greater than just "I like hurting people." Their dichotomy is really well shown, especially considering all their voice lines they have with each other and how deep the rivalry goes
@@TheHarlequin2 yup, the Patrons even say it at the beginning of the game sometimes. They say something along the lines of "Summon me and Ms. Shelly will be healed"
Infernus is very obviously meant to be a classy and cool black bartender dude from the 30's. I think his style perfectly encapsulates that.
I can totally imagine Infernus playing a sax at a smooth jazz bar, his design is so, SO, peak. Everything about him is just so perfectly realized and well executed.
I love the (molotov)cocktail double meaning here
Yes the boring pants and shoes makes sense when you consider all the spilled drinks
He and his friend owns a bar, so yeah 👍
He is Grilby from Undertale
Part of Valve's character design is having all the detail be in the top half of the character, where people are gonna be looking and aiming at during gameplay. You can see that in tf2, where most characters have dark pants and shoes with very little detail, while they've got brightly colored shirts with ammo and vests and symbols
I’d say the most detail is Scout where we can see that his legs are far more exposed. Emphasizing that he’s a runner.
It's especially pronounced in Dota 2 because Dota 2 is played from a top-down perspective so there's a bunch of characters with giant torsos and tiny legs because (I infer) that's what's readable/dramatic from the overhead view. TF2 is a better example since it's another shooter, I just wanted to mention Dota cuz it's funny/extreme.
This is a good point. Valve's Dota Style Guide document explicitly covers this topic. Characters have a gradient of saturation from top to bottom leading the eye to focus on higher character elements.
I hope they never change Lash's background. Also it's worth noting that many of the characters have unique animations when using the ziplines that can add to the character, like Shiv hanging by his feet, Ivy using her tail, Pocket using a frog thing that comes out of the suitcase, stuff like that. Infernus rides in a relaxed pose while Abrams is tense, feet forward and ready to land.
shoutout to mcginnis hanging by the ass loop 😂
I could imagine they do a Pyro thing with Lash, where voice lines and extended material imply a lot about his character, but the only thing known 100% for certain is *that he‘s an Asshole.*
wraith sticking her hands in her pockets while her robot arms ride the rail 😍😍😍😍😍 she's so fucking cool
abrams does pullups on the zipline too :)
@@Curly_Music One armed pullups at that
can't believe jacob lash has more lore than shaco
My wet towel has more lore than shaco
Jacob Lash is an asshole...... just like Shaco is one.
Lash main here! Upon first glance, I thought Lash's design was based heavily off of old pugilists (boxers) from the 1930's. But then I started realizing certain things about his model that imply more about his character beyond "old timey boxer". For one, he has a windlass with an anchor attached to his back; he has an ascot tie; he has an anchor tattoo; he (funny enough) has sausage links and a tin can with beans attached to his hip. Everything points to him being a sailor. I actually asked my fiancé about the sausage links and the can of beans since she's actually in the Navy, and she immediately laughed upon seeing it. She said that the sausage links is (possibly) a reference to "Chief's Meat", and that the bean can pair is a reference to "beanies and weanies" (a stereotypical meal of sausages and beans, typically associated with old sailors in the Navy). Plus he wears the colors of Navy; good old Navy blue. You gotta love it haha.
Another thing to point out that somebody replied to me on this was that Lash's name is a possible reference to a type of knot called the "Lashing Knot", which makes sense given that his abilities are entirely based around using his "lines" (Navy term for ropes). There's even a foghorn sound that plays out whenever you use his ult.
The tin must be a reference to Popeye 😂
A can of spinach will solve all your problems lol
You can tell a design is great when someone completely unfamiliar with a character or game can take one look at 'get' the references.
I love the attention to detail Valve puts into their games, small things like this just go to show the effectiveness of their great character design.
So does his lore play into this Navy theme too?
"Jacob Lash is an asshole" is all we know about him so far@@avian1799
I think Bebop having a bit of murderbot in him makes a bit of sense tbh. His creator is called Ms. Shelly, so like, he's not just Pinocchio he's also Frankenstein's Monster
Dur, cant believe i didnt notice that.
I think that would be more well sold if they leaned harder into the junkyard aesthetic. He doesn't really look "cobbled together" all THAT much, he's just a somewhat brutalist design. I think roughing up his design with rusty metal and less high-tech parts, along with simpler shape language on his face would best achieve what the backstory is going for.
@@DrCaesarMD Apparently the game used to be going for a more high-tech, cyberpunk aesthetic, and Bebop definitely seems like he was designed more for that. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a visual rework before release to bring him more in line with the new setting and art style.
@@DrCaesarMD His current model is a hold over from Neon Prime, when the game looked more like Overwatch. He's one of the characters that's getting a redesign to fit the game's new aesthetic.
@@DrCaesarMD His mom probably cares too much about him to build out of shit parts, or let him rust.
Also, rust can be removed or painted over. In his case I think both is the case.
Thinking on it, They could visually show that he added his weapons himself or something. maybe have some missing plating in places. that sorta thing.
Man I'm glad Valve realized that the cyberpunk 80 90's style is getting over saturated and boring. Every hero shooter is going for that kinda style recently. The new style with old 80's Chicago vibe goes hard with the magic/spirit aspect of the game. Now all we need is for them to cook up a collection of jazz.
It's a 30s occult noir aesthetic
@@Halford_Steelyeah yeah 🤓 whatever u say man i still need some more of them curiosity shop type beats
It's more of an early 1900s (20s or 30s) NYC vibe.
Its all 3 I think.
Don't know where the game takes place exactly, timewise, but Abrams feels very 80s cop show vibes.
the rest of it is very old school, but also in a strangely fallout sort of way?
Like the supernatural basically was revealed 50 years before the game started, and culture stagnated for a good while in parts, because adapting to the supernatural was put before anything else for a while.
@@candlestone5397Ngl abrams is literally a film noir gumshoe. I'm not really getting any 80s vibes from him.
bit of a war/weapons nerd here: ivy's gun is basically one of those silly ww1/ww2 sub-machine guns that had the mags attached sideways, ivy's gun is a little exaggerated by having *two* mags on both sides of the gun (atleast i THINK it's exaggerated, i've seen some weird prototypes from that era of weapon technology), and exaggerated even more by the fact that those 2 mags auto fill themselves (somehow)
ivy is 100% my favourite, i love her
I wonder if they did that to invoke the look of a cross with the gun, since she is a gargoyle (which are often on cathedrals) and the hispanic connection which often also comes with a healthy dose of catholic faith.
I think those are Just spare mags
The sideways magazine SMG she uses is an actual gun.
STEN, used by the British Army in WW2.
@@somerandomdude7785 I know about the sten and other similar guns, but i didn't know it had 2 magazines?
@@Spot_Faceless-Soldier it doesn't.
as someone who's currently playing deadlock, thought the concord designs lacked character, and was really enjoying the deadlock designs, i am LIVING through this series
crazy how untextured models with buggy clothing physics still look better than 90% of hero shooters today. good art design is good regardless of fidelity and polish
then designed tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one. deadlock gave every weeb, furry, emo gamerm etc representation
the thing with concord is that in the animated trailers they put out the characters looked great, but in the weird realistic graphics that they decided to go with for the game the wacky designs just didn't work anymore. Some really odd decisions
@@toyfan1769 bro has severe brain damage, spouting this type of crap
From what i remember Grey Talon, Kelvin and Yamato are models taken from an earlier version of Deadlock where the setting was completely different. Kelvin's coat is a quick replacement for an astronaut suit he was originally supposed to wear.
Also some character details are missing from their bio but you can get them from character interactions and intro monologues from the patron. Like Shiv having a family that got killed before he joined the monster hunter society, or Seven HATING Kelvin for some reason.
I read somewhere that Lash has no eyes because, in the sci-fi game, he had a visor. They removed the visor but there was nothing underneath so... there he is. Same with Mo apparently.
@nazarenomilohanich4883having been a fan of valve games for years its honestly really refreshing to see how much the devs are interacting with the community on discord
I really hope we get the old skins of them once the redesigns come out
Kel in is flying mammal man?
@@admiralpepper6933 that would be cool.
Oh my god im obsessed with Viscous now. A little deep sea alien guy disguising himself as a human but the best he can do is Slime. I love him. Hes just a little guy!
His model feels very unfinished though. I think it's another Neon Prime carry-over, his shadow is a skeleton. It implies a human diver that turned into a slime monster rather than a terror from the deep.
@@colbyboucher6391 yeah, i read somewhere that its just Kelvins “body” with new “meat” added onto it, so it’s definitely gonna change. Im just enamored by the idea of him :P
The voice acting definitely fits “psychic sea anemone” more than “dead guy that came back”, so I hope they’ll stick with it!
His new design is literally a baby eldritch squid in a big goo mecha
You GOTTA listen to Viscous's voice lines, they're incredible.
"Sometimes, the best way to deal with your problems is to hide from them, and pretend they don't exist."
he just like me frfr
@@thatshadowguy1005 viscous would do numbers on tumblr
the thing about Lady Geist is that in her voicelines she genuinely feels bad each time you get a kill
"I paid the price, now die!" Is also one of my favorite lines.
Something interesting with Pocket's design is their relying on curses and evil power to survive might parallel the abuses of power their family's company commits and so there's a dramatic irony on how despite their efforts to forge a separate identity they're falling for the same trap
god i didn't notice this YOU'RE SO RIGHT
hope they develop pocket, i fell in love with em
To me, Pocket looks like a runaway with the coat and suitcase.
looking at the REALLY unfinished and unreleased characters at the game files you can see how the idea of a more sci-fi type of style was abandoned during the process of making this game, which Im glad it happened, and also explain why some models are quite weird like Grey Talons arm and bow or Bebop itself.
im mad curious to see how some stuff will change in the future
Personally, I feel like Bebop still fits. If they steampunkified him a little bit, he'd be perfect, but even as he is now I think he's enough of a junkyard build to look like he could've come from anywhere with the tech level for it. His genuine consciousness can be explained by it coming from the arcane, rather than a super-powerful computer.
bebop fits well
Okay, my take on Pocket is that Pocket is the “My power is money.” character Except it’s more “My power is all the rare artifacts I stole from my parents after someone tried to kill me.”They’ve got random stuff he cobbled together that are all insane but pocket doesn’t understand how to meld them together yet. A super powerful poison suitcase, a sentient cloak, a hyper powerful shotgun. Things the average person has no access to that in the right hands would be absolutely deadly, but in theirs they need everything just to be comparable.
It especially makes sense in the context of a world where magic is a normal thing. It feels out of place in our world for a "wizard" to exist, but in a world where magic and artifacts are a normal thing, it wouldn't be something special or unique to see someone using magic. What stands out to me about Pocket especially is how he doesn't use the magic itself so much as he just lets the items do their things. Every one of his skills is just him opening up the suitcase or throwing his coat, he's actually doing very little himself, just letting the stuff he has do whatever they do.
@@twigtwig3110that's such a good observation fuck. They're the magic equivalent of 'random bullshit go'
@@twigtwig3110 Ontop of just letting them 'Do their thing" they're voicelines are almost all "Okay, I need to do this, or this, please don't fuck up."
Sentient cursed artifacts? No wonder Pocket is always referred as they
Pocket in indeed a pun from the Puck hero (from dota) which has almost the same moveset
While it won't change his simplicity, Warden's 3 ability definitely fits his aesthetic the most. When you use it on an enemy, there's this blaring alarm that plays and you hear the sounds of the cage rattling around the enemy if they don't get out of the curse area in time. And if you're the one being targeted, there's these tall holographic red walls that indicate where you're supposed to leave, so it does feel like you're getting arrested.
Concord video: Barely reached an hour
Deadlock: 2+ hours
Really says a lot, lol
I genuinely hope this game succeeds, because it's actually got some style and even good humor
barely under 3 hours
Deadlock is what Concord wishes to be
I mean deadlock has 100k players in a playtest. I have 80 hours and 35 hours in the last 2 weeks. I am loving it and its a breath of fresh air to play something like this in 2024. I have not played something like this in a long long time. Even overwatch was not this good and I have 2k hours in overwatch.
Time passes flying when you have fun, and it stagnates when Concord enters the room
With 120k players this is game is safe
Oh I love the details on Infernus. A drink shaker and shot glasses on his belt instead of ammo, that is hella fun design.
His "reload" animation being shaking out his hand is maybe one of the best touches in the entire game I think
The exaggerated swagger of an infernal bartender
I love the burning towel over his shoulder! Immediately made me think of molotov *cocktails*, so good.
36:00 I think with the designs of Dota a lot of the heroes are simple and bare because a huge part of the game and community is the cosmetics, where league you have to change an entire skin, Dota each hero has individuals pieces of sets you can equip and mix and match including items that change the model, gender, personality and themeing of the hero entirely.
Also because Dota was a mod for WC3, so a lot of heroes were repurposed assets from base WC3, so what was initialyl designed to be a basic unit, is now a hero
TFW A Latina gargoyle has more pieces of fan art than the peak player count of Concord
The first character I saw when the playtest was made public was OW Streamer Flats playing as Abrams, and I misunderstood the in-game Patron's voice audio for being the owner of Abrams' book. While I was later disappointed to realize it was just the in-game announcer, it made me DESPERATELY want to play a Call of Cthulhu detective who has found a Necronomicon, tied it to [murder/investigation/plot device] and has begun to lose himself to it. More Harry du Bois energy than the "by the book" design of Abrams in my mind, and I have to thank Deadlock for scratching that part of my brain
If you haven't yet, I recommend checking out the video of the leaked Lady Geist visual novel. It contains the branching story mode of Lady Geist and ties into Abrams' book. Seems relatively complete, with great voice acting and art.
Granted, in-game Every Patron is promising each hero something in return for their help. It's a great way of rationalising why they'd all be together.
I actually made the same mistake, but with pocket, I thought his briefcase demon creature thing was talking to him
@@Nilon241 Bebop and Lash can both be on the same team. They probably both ask the Patron for the ability to beat the piss out of each other. Ironically, the Patron probably doesn't even need to do anything to achieve that!
the way dynamo walks is adorable, hes my boy.
He's a T H I C C boi ❤
Agreed I love him so much 😍
Just a fella, he's my favorite
I think the reason for Geists hair is that we're playing as these characters from over their right shoulders so a big pink shock of hair would make the visual very uninteresting. I think this is also the teason for Kelvins fur sleeve. He punches with his left arm so they probably wanted it to read better in motion during gameplay.
Video Index:
1:04 Abrams
3:59: Bebop
11:05 Dynamo
14:58 Grey Talon
22:44 Haze
27:47 Infernus
35:15 Ivy
47:57 Kelvin
57:36 Lady Geist
1:09:13 Lash
1:14:43 McGinnis
1:24:57 Mo + Krill
1:33:57 Paradox
1:42:52 Pocket
1:52:47 Seven
1:56:46 Shiv
2:03:49 Vindicta
2:12:48 Viscous
2:18:43 Warden (that's just a Boobby!)
2:24:20 Wraith
2:29:35 Yamato
2:45:45 Playtesting Abrams
2:48:50 Playtesting Dynamo
I love T.B. Skyen just not realising that thing on Lash's back is an anchor and not hearing obvious port bells in his ult for like 20 minutes lol
I love the way Haze looks in the more up-to-date art, with the billowing smoke hair
Regarding Bebops design. Before Deadlock took this sort of 1930's occult aesthetic and lore it was a scifi game. And Bebop, Grey Talon, and Yamato were ripped straight from that into this version of the game for testing.
To be honest, I love bebop's design, and I think his voice acting carries him quite a lot, and there are some things that could be changed a little to make him a but more scrappy and less sci-fi
I think Bebop's design can still work in Deadlock. I wouldnt be surprised if they made some tweaks to make him look more, maybe dieselpunk? But out of all the characters that survived the previous iteration of the game, he came out looking the best.
Bebop can still work, but as a machine that given life by a patron. Kinda like Pinocchio
@@blushingralseiuwu2222 he already has that lore tho, his current lore is completely fine, his model could just use some tweaks imo
Bebob will probably stay largely the same. The only change will be his patch work samurai leg armor and beads on his foot which doesn't fit the noire tone.
So, if you notice - Fairfax is also the company McGinnis works for. From what I understand, it's essentially a magical weapons company - hence why a soul-processing machine drew their eyes and why Pocket has a bunch of enchanting stuff. Pocket is, essentially, the heir to a massive PMC/Enchanter's guild combo. Them being so uncomfortable using the suitcase as a weapon and the fact that their ult is non-lethal kind of paint the picture of an heir who was ousted for not agreeing with the military industrial complex that surrounds Fairfax.
The theory I thought of is that the lore suggests that the game takes place in the 50s, 5 years after the end of the Second World War. Perhaps Fairfox industries were very involved in weapons used in war and Pocket, seeing the evil and the number of innocent people who were killed, was against the production of weapons. It is worth remembering that 1947 was the beginning of the Cold War, in which we had the arms race and many tensions of a possible new war.
There's no way of knowing whether Valve will use historical contexts for Deadlock's Lore, but I think it's worth thinking about them
It's interesting to see where Deadlock expands its lore through voicelines so you only get insight by playing the character. Why does Pocket have a random magic suitcase when their background is all about their parents? The suitcase was a weapon made or found by their dad, making their discomfort with it a physical embodiment of their discomfort with their parent's legacy and inheritance.
Seven also gets a lot of depth from voicelines. He's not just a cackling villain that's going to Ult New York, he's a fairly serious guy who plans to "remake" it afterward and has some class themes going on as well, presenting himself as an impoverished person punished for seeking power and knowledge, now going to press 4 on the seat of institutional power.
Yeah going by his backstory you'd expect Seven to be either a vengeful screaming revenant or a megalomaniacal lich, but he's pretty calm if ominous.
@@PotionSmellerhe's calm so long as your name isn't kelvin lmao
"That man hates me! And he barely knows me!"
Yep!! From his backstory you'd think Seven is the prime example of a bad guy who is bad because he is evil. And, hell, the guy _is_ evil; there was a reason the whole world got together to obliterate his very soul. But in game.. all of his voice lines are calm and cool. Even when Lash insults him, the threat Seven makes in response is delivered with a very level headed temper. Really good spin on the typical Big Evil Bad Evil Guy
I adore Ivy's design. So many charming little details.
It's hard to see in game, but her wings have cathedral stained glass style patterns on them that are visible in the light.
Also she has two thumbs on both sides of each hand! It only looks like she has normal hands because of her grip.
Even her not having a shirt makes sense! Her wings would get in the way.
little goblin making me act up
@@Nilon241 I completely missed those. Thanks for pointing them out.
I know, right? I've only seen a few seconds of gameplay, yet I love her already.
Weirdly fitting that Ivy’s support. Despite how they’re depicted, Gargoyles are actually guardians, protecting demons from people. It’s why a lot of Gothic churches have them, it’s to protect people.
And to ward off bad spirits in particular! It would be fitting if Ivy's binding support skill allowed her to lessen curses.. Maybe it already does that, actually..
A few of the characters are getting their models completely redesigned, so you may need to make a sequel to this!
Seems warden especially, his voicelines, abilities and lore is an entirely different character from the model, i assume warden's model was probably an early concept for Abrams that got repurposed
@@xolotltolox7626 you are correct. check out the drafts for Yamato's redesign. in the bottom right of it, it shows Yamato squaring up against a very rough draft of Warden.
Regarding the fur on Kelvin: The Nansen Expedition was actually using seal pelt coats which had the fur on the outside (I assume because it's waterproof?) as well as wolf fur collars and hoods. So it's not completely uncommon. However, a notable difference in the approaches of Nansen (and Amundsen if I recall correctly) is that they paid a lot more attention to how the indigenous cultures around the arctic were surviving as opposed to the British who kind of just thought they knew better.
Keep in mind that I'm not an expert though, I've just read Nansen's expedition diaries.
Absolutely this. Kelvins whole thing looks like a simplified take on traditional inuit parkas. (if his rune thing is supposed to be carved whale bone I see it even more)
The key difference between the western and eastern arctic regions is the humidity.
The cold isn't really the thing that gets you here, its the wind. On a calm sunny day even -35c can be completely comfortable with minimal coverage and insulation. Add a 50km/hr wind in to what is effectively a frozen desert though, and all the moisture in your skin gets ripped out in seconds, flash freezing flesh in a similar way to what liquid nitrogen does.
Because of this, the fur collars and trim on all of the seams of the outfits are actually vitally important design elements, designed not to insulate or layer warmth, but to wick moisture away from the face and extremities!
@@MaimedFern Thanks for the context! That makes a lot of sense.
I don't know if you noticed but the little candle minions, when you hurt them, the lower their health is the more melte their head becomes ! Such a cool little detail
Oh man the comment about Lady Geist's accent not being a transatlantic accent really makes me wish they take that into consideration since its such a good fit and a rare/fun accent to have in a game (especially as its also time period appropriate (?))
It's sill very early access
There’s a newsstand near the base which spits out lore in a trans atlantic accent, you can find all of his lines on UA-cam
The lore of each character gets explained so much more by actually playing the game. So many voice lines
Yesss the voicelines of the characters as they level up, use skills, kill and get killed by enemies, destroy and secure objectives, respawn, buy items, get reprimanded or praised by the Patron, quips by the Shopkeeper, etc
@@meodrac "Look at me now, Lash! Look at me now!" - Bebop
i kinda love warden's design, the fact he is just that generic grunt type character makes him stand out more among the more special magical characters and makes him feel a bit more relatable as a normal grunt. Though i do wish his actual backstory played more into the generic grunt bit and not the "family lineage of monster hunters" thing, he looks too standardized and uniform for that
his disdain for the perfect grunt design bothers me, i love generic grunts so much especially when they clash with more wacky characters
That’s TBSkyen for you, he really seems to value novelty and lighthearted charm over whether a design actually executes its original idea well.
Hey. You gotta have at least ONE normal goon in your lineup of wacky oddballs! Makes the rest of em stand out more.
the thing is, they are gonna change his design. if you look at the drafts of the redesigned Yamato, you can see a rough draft of Warden in the bottom right corner. Apparently he has a cape as well, as told by the Curiosity Shop Merchant when you buy things from him as Warden. Even though i do like this Design, its gonna change and it will be more interesting.
Haze is also getting a new design as the other characters, likely the one on the loading screen with the wavier hair-smoke and the dual tommy guns.
Guess which character here has the most images on R34.
That's right. It's Ivy.
I can see that. She is gorgeous.
I mean how often do we get cute gargoyles? I imagine there's also quite an overlap of fans of Disney's Gargoyles.
scruffy, vaguely emo, goblin girl? yeah that tracks.
(i know she's a gargoyle but her proportions scream "goblin" to me.")
@@SobiTheRobot Gargoyles enjoyer here, can confirm it's half of what got me into her character
seven needs more tbh, i want a man that will literally kill me in the most excruciatingly painful way imaginable
For McGinnis and the makeup comments. As someone who interacts with a lot of blue collar workers who come.in all greasy. Normally they tend to have eyeliner and light makeup, so I don't really see an issue with the makeup, as it reflects a lot of the working class women I've personally interacted with.
Yeah, I work at a food packaging plant, and most of the women honestly have pretty heavy makeup - it's just expected of women in general, really. I do agree with Skyen that McGinnis probably doesn't really need it, though. I'd like to see some bushier eyebrows on a lady!
Main issue mcguiness is why does she sound like a latino women from 2024 lol
as a girl that work with a lot of different types of woman , they just feel like it ! and don't need a excuse or reason to wear make up . I wear winged liner cause I feel like it and takes me not even a minute. McGinnis strikes me the type "I just fucking feel like it "
The "crossbar" on Ivy's gun seems to actually be a pair of ammo magazines
Yep, this. It's meant to evoke the whole gothic crossbow thing in appearance, and function like a gun to fit the gameplay and setting. Quite smart imo.
@@NoshuHyena Looks like a crossbow to remind you that she literally came from the medieval era, but stings like a gun to remind you that this ain't the 1300s and guns are a constitutional right!
Please use all the abilities on dummies before saying "I'm not getting that from design".
Animations and voice lines ARE PART of the DESIGN!
Please don't skip on them.
really highlighted that point with bebop, talking about personality and whatnot. his animations and voicelines REALLY highlight his personality. sad that it took until grey talon to start going ingame. i find it a bit strange that they skipped over him being a *scrap* golem, aka built from random parts, also the tangent about pinocchio? Bebop is very clearly not innocent whatsoever, he has a giant laser beam arm, and his story even makes a reference that he does nefarious stuff at night.
@@Ska1high| No, the Pinocchio line was because he's described as "the son (s)he could never have," just like Pinocchio.
like the disney pinocchio sure. but my comment about calling him innocent was direct, he straight up called bebop innocent.
@@Ska1highHe is frankenstein's monster (ms shelley
@@Ska1high Bebop definitely isn't innocent. He is good hearted, for sure, but he'll knock some teeth out if he has to. Extremely rare Skyen L
Viscous is supposed to get a new model , for now he is using Kelvins model, that is why it seems off. The new one is more alien like.
Does Viscous go by he/him?
@@jamescook5783 yeah
He's supposed to be a cute little squid guy piloting a slime mech with a fucking dad bod. Its amazing.
@@jamescook5783Slime/goo.
@@Nilon241
Ngl that's both silly and dope lol
1:58:00 Funny thing about Elvis, he's actually a major influence for greaser subculture. Greasers LOVED rock n' roll in the 50s and 60s, so who better to emulate than the King of Rock himself?
If the game is taking place in 1970s New York, then Shiv is more likely a take on the greaser revival scene.
Given the ads and the art nouveu architecture I'm getting more of a 40s vibe. Could be shiv isn't bringing back the King, but maybe in this version of New York he IS the King...
@@Lightscribe225that’s an awesome take.
Me screaming when he doesnt notices the drink shakers and shot glasses on Infernus belt!! Its my favorite part, hes legit my fave character so far. Valve really knows how to make characters. I mean look at tf2 that shit was pretty much red abd blue in soilder attire with some funny cosmatic here and there. They can really make a charater stand out.
Also it doesnt help that it looks like its set in a futuristic Roaring 20s or 50s. Both some of my fave time periods to kinda twist and play with. I can't wait to see where this game goes even tho im most likely never gonna play it.
2:22:14 In regards to Warden's character design:
I agree that it makes no sense for a character described as an alchemist to look like a police officer... *in a vacuum.*
We have to remember these characters aren't their own detached thing, but part of an *actual world* that they all live in. Therefore, we should take into account both Warden's background *and* everything we can gather about Deadlock's world so far, be it voicelines or other backgrounds.
Seven's background provides all the info we need here. The very first paragraph states that laws were put in place in order to regulate magic and the occult when those started to become commonplace. Those who violate these laws are obviously persecuted by law enforcement.
Going back to Warden, his background states that there are militant alchemists, himself included, who specialize in neutralizing magic and the occult. It does not seem farfetched to me that the group known for being REALLY good at dealing with the supernatural would be in charge of enforcing the law in regards to the supernatural.
Also, on the whole "floating in his 4th ability" topic: I take it as a "fighting fire with fire" thing. Criminals use magic to hurt people, Alchemists use magic to stop those criminals. Same method, different means.
TL;DR: Warden's design doesn't correlate with his background on its own, but it's actually really solid once you take the world's lore into account.
(Also, I understand this is a First Impressions video and there's nothing wrong with that. It's super fun to watch this kinda stuff. It's just that the thought of people watching this and shitting on an actual solid design due to it being "superficially bad" is silly at best to me)
I'm pretty sure whoever designed Warden had no clue of the lore. Look at half the characters and you can see the artists were just making stuff up on the go, and some models - like Warden - are placeholders from an older design. It's a little excessive to assume all this thought and intent from a valve game in closed alpha. As you'd have seen in Dota and TF2, they care very little about the lore of their own games when designing characters
this!
Burning had been outlawed by the time the Salem Witch trials happened, They were mostly hung, with one person being pressed to death under rocks.
Apparently that dude literally asked them to add more rocks to be crushed faster, as long as he didn't confess to witch craft they couldn't see his stuff
Giles Corey! Last words: “More weight.”
I feel like Lady Geist's backstory could be marginally improved if she was an actress. A sort of Marilyn Monroe inspiration.
Sunset Boulevard vibes.
I think that a glowing demon arm would be difficult to hide as an actress
@@mateuszsosnowski5876 I'm not saying she got the arm and continued being an actress. I'm saying the reason she could be vain and wanting to preserve her looks is an obsession with staying young and beautiful due to being an actress formerly.
@@hangman4011 Mmmm, I disagree. Her being French is motivation enough
I really like Ivy's design! I feel like its so rare to see female monster characters that are actually allowed to look monsterous. In a lesser game they would have given her tits and a generic hourglass figure. She alone has sold me on deadlock, def maining her when I get a chance to play it.
Flat queen!
And it did not refrain anyone to get weird very quickly about her.
@@narcozero8410I am in this comment (I love ivy)
I think female monsters are pretty common in DotA, actually.
Yeah, best leave that to the fan-artists xd
When I looked at Grey Talon, the first thing that came to my mind that would really help highlight the contrast between tech and tradition - he should have his actual draw arm be organic while his left, bow arm is gonna be full on tech. And I don't just mean a human arm-looking prosthetic, have it be something that's fully designed to integrate with the bow to the point where both are completely inseparable and maybe also make it bulky and lacking the sleekness that's typically associated with archery aesthetics. Not only would it give him a very distinctive feature (if done properly), I think it would also help accentuate his narrative.
That arm would be, effectively, the representation of this past that he once abandoned - a purely utilitarian tool built for war, for hunting, for bringing death, that he laid down when he found happiness in living a simple, family life. Maybe he lived his mundanity without any kind of prosthetic at all (while I have no disability myself, much less so one of that sort, I have heard that plenty of people treat their prosthetics in a similar way and just don't tend to use them a lot or much at all because it feels like a tool - not a comfortable, natural part of themselves) and that could further show that he's, effectively, now been forced to go back to the way he used to be - that this is less of choice and more of a regression which feels like a betrayal to who he truly wishes he could continue being on the inside.
I think Ivy's gun is meant to imply a crossbow silhouette, yes, but it's also just a straight up gun, taking inspiration from real world gun models that had their magazines feed in horizontally, like a Sten gun. I believe it's sorta doing that but also making two magazines to give it that crossbow bow shape, which I think is pretty fun and creative.
Really do love how she very effectively implies that working class, found family, immigrant background. She'd 100% be part of a union, with some ethical arson on the side.
Also, Skyen transitioning from absolute trashing Warden to praising Wraith
What have we learned, kids?
ACAB(d) - All Cops Are Badly Designed
Also, if anybody else can corroborate or dispute, but Yamato doesn't seem to have a typical Japanese accent, does she? At least, not like any Japanese accent I've ever heard. Potentially very interesting character building detail, if so. Or it could be unintentional too.
THEY ARE MAKING A CRAZY CAT LADY TOO! The character design in this game goes so hard
Also Mark Zuckerberg is one of the characters in there. He's aussie for some reason though.
@@DrNiradino Huh. I guess all of Zuckerberg's MMA training has served him well, seeing as he's a melee character in this game.
Aww, he didn't try out Seven on the sandbox. You missed a shocking ultimate, a really electrifying experience. Didn't even see Seven do his pirouettes 😢
the way he says tf2 is siphoning the blood from my veins
No witches at the Salem witch trials were burned, all those intentionally executed were via hanging, one man died refusing to enter a plea and was crushed by stones during the torture to force a plea and the rest who died died from disease in prison. So unless you want to give Vindicta a broken neck I don't think you could really represent that.
I feel like her having a broken neck or a sickly appearance could work.
Honestly? A crooked neck WOULD be badass.
@@Perdix64 Totally agree. Having her neck partially visibly snapped open, with exposed veins and whatnot, would 1) make it even more clear that she is already dead and 2) could lean even harder into the vengeful spirit look. Let's say that her neck was broken, forcing her head to be permanently tilted to the right; conveniently where the sights of her rifle would be! She literally couldn't take her eyes off of vengeance, in that case, always looking at her unlife through the eyes of her sniper scope
@@jooot_6850 I feel if they add a lot of detail to her neck, it’d draw people to her head a lot more. Making a sick twist on how snipers are usually depicted. An example I can think of his Sniper TF2 being more a huntsman look or Widowmaker with her spider googles on her head. With Vindicta, her neck being crooked over her sniper scope could add way more intrigue. With her having no equipment but a constantly crooked neck bent slightly over her rifle to see into her scope. I would say that the interpretation that her bare feet being used to show that she’s vulnerable is a good call.
Of the TFT style you say?
The League rot consumes all
*technically* the last t could still be 2 but yeah lmao the league influence goes hard
I mean. I guess it’s still technically correct.
“T”eam “F”ortress “T”wo
TF 2 = TFT
FeelsWeirdMan
@@jeph7434 its dot bro not lol and ice frog is working on it so its more dota2
@vitakulaa uhm what
What we mean is that skyen plays and has made multiple videos on league that he shortens tf2 to tft
What are you on about?
As somone who plays a lot of Vindicta it was painful hearing about how the different bits of her outfit "aren't integrated into her kit" when they are. The steaks are visible as the anchor with which she pins enemies to the ground, though admittedly at the moment she just throws a glowing ball out. The bell as well because it's part of how she controls the crows, either to send them off to attack or to call up her powers of flight. Which admittedly is a bit weird, why does the ghost need to rely on her crow connection to fly? No idea.
Something i think thats really noteworthy with Ivy i feel is the fact shes like. The most popular character in the community. People fucking love this spanish gargoyle girl, and so do I.
For me, it kinda makes me look over at league and its community and what they tend to like, and it really does make them look shallow.
There's definitely some inspiration from the hellboy universe in the setting and it's super obvious with Abrams who is sometimes jokingly called the Pepsi hellboy. Even Thematically they're punchy and reluctantly carry a burden they'd rather be rid of, hellboy's key and Abram's book.
For Vindicta, her skill1 is where she uses her stakes, she thorws one a it stick the enemy to the ground. It's even actually called, Stake.
Regarding Mo & Krill, the pair gave me Goon and Franky (from the comic series The Goon) vibes. The series subverts the usual dynamic of "big dumb, little smart" veering more into a Slow, Methodical/Hyperactive, Chaotic balance.
the what 🤨
@@emmas1366 the Goon! You know! Henchman! Lacky, underling, grunt! Goon!
What else are you thinking of?
I don't really see why there has to be a "twist" or "subversion of the archetype"? Sometimes Archetypes are fine as they are, that's why they exist! :D
25:15 actually she does have smoke instead of hair, its just a simple shape with a bit of vfx in game because i assume they dont want to sink time and effort to make detailed models for designs that are not 100% finished, but you can see her actual design and hair in her character art and in the loading screen (you can see her loading screen art in 28:10 )
Valve knows how important silhouettes are, they're valve.
Him: "He's just a Bobby."
Me: "Shit! I get to play as a Bobby!"
I know, right? For me Warden's design is plenty cool as it is, even if I have to agree that it doesn't gel well with his backstory of an alchemist monster hunter.
Wish he had an ability to CC the enemy based on their lack of 'loicense' and get some work done with his night stick.
@@fillosof66689 Almost anything is on the table to be changed this early so Warden's backstory will probably change as well.
I honestly think it would’ve been better if he was just a supernatural police officer.
@@EmperorSigismundi think his design is more up to change rather than his kit and backstory, considering those two actually fit together, whereas the model just seems like a previous draft of Abrams
i honestly love warden's grunt design, just wish his backstory played more into the uniform grunt thing
I was shaking in anticpation for Lash's background reveal while you theorized about him lmao
There are also confirmed changes in design for characters such as Bebop, who will look overall similar but will be more of an automaton made of scrap and have less of the techno elements, having one eye instead of the several and probably ditching the samurai pants, and will have a different face. For Yamato, they have been playing around with different designs that will take away the futuristic elements and instead have either a samurai mobster look, a school/college uniform, or be possessed by a demon.
I'm SO happy they didnt go with the futuristic route (ngl im sick of it lol)... I heard a previous version(?) or smth of it was cyberpunk themed and I'm so happy they went the other way~ Steampunk , magic , ghosts in random rooms ., fricking love it~
The carved whalebone things are called Scrimshaw
Valve Employees watching this video “write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!”
They fuckin better be
They better do
As long as they dont take Skyen's notes for Ivy - she's perfect :p
I hope so
Take Skyen's opinion with a grain of salt though. His take is based on how a character look tell a story. Meanwhile Valve's character design is a mixed of both story and gameplay. This is why Skyen has mixed view on DOTA 2 characters because most of them are port from Warcraft and they have to make up their look to match with their abilities while avoiding looking too similar to Warcraft.
Imagine Skyen look at TF2 characters design. I can tell you the mercs look very barebone and Valve's intention is to make them distinguish as much as possible. Same to L4D2, they look very barebone but easily distinguishable in gameplay. One thing I love about Deadlock is how each character has their own unique caricature . Ofc some design is lacking but in game, you mostly want to know who you are fighting anyway. Similar to TF2, you want to know who are you looking at, not how beautiful they are.
I think the part of Lady Geist is that she lives mostly cause of her beauty in a way, cannonically she was married to a WW2 general during WW2, so her beauty is the way she gets her power and she knows the value of it more than no other.
The thing about Mo and Krill (Mo is the big guy btw) is judging by their voicelines the one doesn't boss another, but rather work together. "I hold them, and then you punch them Moris" when upgrading his ultimate ability and "I wont go down Mo" when using healing ability as example. Most likely thats the reason they look like big goon and small goon. But yeah, the small guy does feels sometimes unneccessary, maybe they gonna change them.
For Paradox I think the drab coat makes sense, she's one of many, and as such has no need to really stand out that much, lest people recognize her. I think that in lore, the guildmate are meant to feel interchangeable.
Something about Lash you find from in-game quotes is that Bebop "took his uppercut"
A god chunk of the lore is from quotes currently
Also some of the more sci-fi ish stuff like grey talons outfit and bow are from a old sci-fi version of deadlock back whgen i t was called neon prime
Oh also a big theme of the game is "making deals"
Pockets quotes imply he found the suitcase and that kept him alive.
Every match is you trying to kill an opposing wish granting patron so your wish granting patron gives you a wish.
Lash wants his "glory" back. Paradox seems to want to "prove" the worthiness of the organisation Infront of the patron (implied from the patrons quotes towards her).
I hope in the future the in-game quotes become easier to find in lobby
Ever since I got access on Tuesday I have been HOOKED.
Not only are the character designs amazing (which of course that’s what this entire video is about). but as a game designer myself, valve has once again displayed their sheer masterclass understanding of game design, with all of the mechanics in this game and how they flow so well together.
I have over 2000 hours on TF2 and valve has once again got their hooks in my brain…
I love the way characters like Paradox’s voice lines actually give you tips on using her.
When you are new it’s easy to forget that her wall is supposed to be a damage/cc tool as well as a blocking tool.
I never noticed her talking about swapping an enemy with the urn either but I’ve done it a few times so it’s fun to hear an ult line about it
Bebop looks like an amalgamation of every Overwatch character. It's overwhelming, but it somehow works.
Overwatch 2. Overwatch 1 designs were more simple.
@rygornspectre7142 Not sure where the idea that OW2's designs are more complex comes from, they're still pretty simple designs.
@@bld9826 not complex, unnecessarily overwhelming.
I feel like it's a bit much
Man I wish you saw Shiv's rail grab animation.
The first thing that comes my mind when I first saw pocket is Harry Houdini, which I think is their intention, with the similar hair style and clothes, That’s why I got magician from their design
Ironically the Sea Anemone thing makes even less sense now that they updated Viscous' model because now the helmet is seethrough and it's just more goo with a pair of dotted eyes behind it
Hot tip. Viscous is a placeholder model. if you pay attention, its actually kelvin's model with cosmetics removed and texture/material changed.
also, if you ever plan on doing an update video for any new models/updated models, you can spawn them in in sandbox mode so you can get a better view of their front, its in the testing tools at the bottom right.
"Too far" is a very good anti cheese mechanic. There was another game that didn't have this and it was the most miserable experience trying to defend your towers against backdoor attacks from assassins. That game is super monday night combat.
We don't want this to be dota where ranged characters like Sniper can outrange towers
Also keep in mind that this only affects structures. Vindincta's ultimate has infinite range against players (or creeps, I guess).
Others have pointed it out already but I also wanted to mention Viscous, originally they were a fish piloting like a transparent mech suit, but obviously that doesn't correspond with their new lore and aesthetic.
So they quickly scrapped together a model for playtesting, which is just a transparent astronaut suit with a fishbowl head, while they work on a better model.
You can actually find this model in the files, and it fits much more, even has coral to callback to the deep aesthetic.
38:34 yes that is indeed spanish, she said "Creen que estan ganando?" which translates to "Do you think you're winning?"
theres a whole visual novel made for lady geists backstory which is amazing. it really gives an insane amount of depth to her
my jaw dropped when Warden started speaking with an American accent lool
and yeah some of these are great but then a lot of them are like, two people playing a game where they design a character and one writes the story and one draws the dude but they aren't allowed to communicate at all lol
at least some of these guns are definitely placeholder assets: Viscous and Kelvin's are the same model with different colors, for one.
EDIT: speaking of those two, I wonder if Viscous' model is just a retextured version of Kelvin's original astronaut spacesuit
Yes, it is. Valve will change his model in the future.
yep, viscous used the Neon Prime Kelvin body goofied and a "helmet" added
A lot of designs seem out of place because they're leftovers from a time when the game had a completely different aesthetic, a cyberpunk futuristic kinda thing called, Neon Prime.
For example Bebop's design is straight out of Neon Prime and may be the reason why it doesn't match his current backstory. I suspect the affected characters will get complete overhauls, so it'd be a good idea to do a retake on this video once the game is officially released
Yamato already has some released concept art for her remake. It makes her look like a demon yakuza gangster, which is absolutely perfect.
@@jooot_6850 I didn't know that, looks cool
Jacob Lash's lore is perfect and should not be changed. If they ever do, the only acceptable change is "Jacob Lash is still an asshole".
A shadow change adding that prefix would be perfect. Just as extra confirmation; nope, Jacob Lash is still an asshole.
It may be a hunch, but Shiv reminds me of those old Japanese high school delinquents (giant pompadour hairstyle, more specifically) more than Elvis.
I find it cool, because that makes him standout more from the others by not being so-aggressively American "badass former criminal monster hunter"
I don’t think 1930-40s new york theme is going to have a Japanese 80s delinquent character mate
@@VainSick you're right, and you know what? Teleporters wouldn't make sense in a 1960 setting, yet we have TF2.
We're talking about Valve here, where "rule of cool" rules over sense.
1:45:35 I imagine Pocket having a suitcase in their design represents them being on the run, they are being pushed out of their parent's legacy by force.
The corruption from the case also explains why they have an in game damage vulnerability to magic.
So it's pretty common knowledge now that Deadlock had to go through an emergency re-design from "Neon Prime" a while back, a process so rough it's not even finished yet... But how long back did that re-design start? Valve registered the "Neon Prime" trademark back in October 2022, so that was probably when the expanded playtest started -- the one that brought feedback that required this change. "Deadlock" started closed alpha testing somewhere around 3-4 months ago, it seems.
Pretty good turnaround time, all things considered.
the graffiti you pointed out is placeholder art taken directly from cs2
I love Ivy, and I love the multiple seconds of dead silence at 35:15 before "Is that literally just like a gremlin??"
36:00
My two cents on Dota's designs is that Dota has a hero roster that's completely free (no grind/cash required to unlock) and cosmetics that work like accessories instead of full skins.
They don't have to worry about selling the new character or skins so they don't have to go for "appealing to the Lowest Common Denominator" type design.
Instead they prioritize representing the gameplay and lore, which leads to both unique newer heroes and simpler older ones.
For me the simple ones are iconic too, can't imagine a dota without axe or tidehunter.
Something with Mo&Krill that isn't immediately obvious is that most of their abilities come from Krill, the little guy. His lifesteal and pocket sand are all Krill, and even in the combo, Krill's actually immobilising the target with his powers while Mo whales on him. I think that helps a lot with their dynamic.
and also the fact that Mo is most definitely blind or has poor vision as most moles are, which makes Krill feel a lot more necessary as part of their duo.