AUSTRONESIAN: INDONESIAN & JAVANESE
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
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Indonesian, the official and national language of Indonesia, is a standardized variety of Malay and has long served as a lingua franca in the multilingual Indonesian archipelago. Indonesia, the fourth most populous country globally, has over 279 million people, the majority of whom speak Indonesian, making it one of the world's most widely spoken languages.
Javanese is a Malayo-Polynesian language spoken by over 68 million people, primarily from central and eastern Java, Indonesia, with some speakers on the northern coast of western Java. It is the largest Ethnic Austronesian language by number of native speakers and has several regional dialects and distinct status styles. Closely related languages include Sundanese, Madurese, and Balinese. Most Javanese speakers also use Indonesian for official, commercial, and broader communication purposes.
This video is created for educational, language awareness, and language preservation purposes. It aims to provide valuable insights and knowledge to viewers, enhancing their understanding and appreciation of different languages and their unique characteristics. By raising awareness about linguistic diversity, the video seeks to foster a greater respect and recognition for various languages, particularly those that are endangered or underrepresented. Additionally, it contributes to the preservation of languages by documenting and sharing linguistic knowledge, thus ensuring that these languages and their cultural heritage are not lost to future generations.
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Tagalog and Javanese.
You upload great content for the future. But more information on Sino-Tibetan, Atlantic Congo, and Indo-European languages would be helpful, as these language families are diverse and I find them incredibly rich.
*Thank you, Andy! 🥰🥰🥰*
Can you compare Javanese and Balinese next? I think they sound similar.
Similar but different. Would be interested to see a comparison of them too
Like English and French , similarities based on loandword
Are the two different numbers regular/polite speech of Javanese?
Yes. Boso Ngoko and Kromo. And Parable of the Prodigal Son was spoken in Kromo as well (not sure wether it was kromo inggil or not)
@@Rippel0000 "Basa Ngoko and Krama"
greeting from Banyumas, the Javanese 'Ngapak' dialect - speaker in Central Java
This Javanese text is Javanese Krama language.
Krama is a polite language.
The casual language called Ngoko language.
It's a bible verse, u need to use Krama for the holy literature, e.x The Bible or Qur'an...
Greetings from Surakarta, Central Java🇮🇩
Ooh Surakarta, nice place my friend 😊😊
I hope to see you in Surakarta soon my friend and I will be waiting for you 😊😊
Bali and Java are brother in past and now one country 😊
@@Haloha-69 Nice I love Bali and Java my friend my favorite place
@@darwinqpenaflorida3797 Matur Suksma ajik 🙏🏼 (thank you sir)
@@darwinqpenaflorida3797The Philippines is similar to Indonesia, diverse with many tribes and languages 😊
Indonesian language is Malay
Bahasa melayu adalah akar dari bahasa indonesia. Dalam perkembangannya bahasa Indonesia menjadi bahasa modern yang dipelajari di 54 negara dan menjadi bahasa resmi ke 10 unesco PBB.
Malay is part of Indonesian language
@@Don69Muk Bahasa Indonesia is a plagiarized form of Bahasa Melayu.
@@infj5196 Bahasa Melayu is Part of Bahasa Indonesia.
Ooh Bahasa Indonesia and Javanese 😊😊
Just like Balinese, Javanese is a Regional Language and spoken in parts of Java including Jawa Tengah, Jawa Timur and Yogyakarta 😊😊
Trivia:Suriname is the most number of speakers of Javanese outside Indonesia where some of them are Javanese decent there during Dutch colonization of Indonesia 😊😊
For me, since I learned Bahasa Indonesia easily, I'm interesting about Javanese language so I will find someone to learn this language and learn about Javanese culture 😊😊
With all my heart, I hope to see you in Beautiful Java soon and I will be waiting for you 😊😊
Jawa Tengah, Jawa Timur and Yogyakarta was home of my beauty queen crushes(majority of them are Puteri Indonesia) like Adinda Crishella, Eudia Isabelle and my two beautiful sweethearts, Sophie Kirana and Melati Tedja 😊😊
Greetings from Calamba City, Laguna in the Philippines 🇵🇭💕🇮🇩
Javanese also spoken in north coast of West Java and Banten
@@Haloha-69 Nice info my friend
@@haysnairefohdir4182 Yeah 😊😊
Its cool that a pinoy knows about jampanesi (javanese in surinam language) 😂
@@Jblah Nice thanks 😊😊
The second Indonesian sounded naturaly and not medok 😂
Request: Estonian and Japanese?
Yeah right, whats next? Telugu and Navajo?
Javanese, the language that contribute and enriched so many words (but some of those hardcore Malays said they "corrupted" their Malay language because they can't sense the best diversified and modified version Malay that known as Bahasa Indonesia) into Indonesian vocabulary which is shaped the uniqueness of Indonesian language features.
B.I is just a plagiarized version of Malay language
Javanese should be the official language of Indonesia rather than Malay
@@yohanapereira1629 yes agree please tell your gov to change it.
Bahasa indonesia sounds like non-malays trying to speak malay
@@zulakmal11 Then I guess it is just time until Bahasa Indonesia and Bahasa Malayu go to different directions. Each has its own purpose to develop. Bahasa Malayu (BM) for those in Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia (BI) for those in Indonesia.
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Talking from history and human development, it is just another way of language emerges, just like German, Dutch, and English was once same language untill its schism and we can differ one and another.
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Bahasa Indonesia is being develop as 'united' language of Indonesia. Yes, its root is Malay, but it is never being branded as Bahasa Melayu. They still has their own Bahasa Malayu that they preserve as local language.
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Language do not stagnant, it is growing everyday, new word emerges or adopted. It is such non sense to keep it same for years or decades.
Hello from Surabaya
Very different numbers in comparison to the Indo-European language family
Because it not Indo-European language.
@@ohkeydan6357 I meant between Indonesian and Javanese
javanese is closer to some philippines language than malay
ALLAH BLESS INDONESIA
Allah, the only true god
ameen
@@moenajadmmh194 there is no god.
@@WedsleyFelix we believed to God supervision
@@moenajadmmh194 oke, aku tidak percaya di tuhan.
I used to think that they are the same language
Do Javanese people talk to each other in their language or Indonesian? (Sorry I don't know that)
Javanese speak Malay (Indonesian)
it's totally different language, and yes we do speak in javanese for daily use, but for formal situation, we use indonesian
Bahasa indonesia only used when talking with fellow indonesian from different ethnicity.
Most people in indonesia don't speak indonesian to the people of the same ethnic group, we only use it in formal situation or to people from different ethnic group.
But today more and more people are using indonesian as the first language, especially the younger generation.
@@yohanapereira1629fililino speaks spanish.
As someone born in Indonesia (Jakarta) and brought up in USA, it was super interesting meeting Javanese in Suriname 🇸🇷. I'm Moluccan, but know conversational Bahassa Indonesia. Javanese is super unfamiliar to me. If Surinamese Javanese speak Javanese language today, they are not brought up with standard Indonesian at all.
But orang Jawa food roots are still very strong in Suriname 🇸🇷.
@VAhhhh98 Javanese in Suriname from my experience had no knowledge of Bahasa Indonesia. When I went there.
@@gerrywilliams1392 I think it's very understandable. even as Indonesian, my grandparents couldn't speak malay (as they called it at the time), My parents have only started to speak indonesian fluently since they were in high school. Me, since I started to speak. Bahasa Indonesia is unique as it is only functioning as unifying language, the rapid expansion was only recent since Indonesian independence.
Dutch colonials missed the opportunity to make us speak dutch, that could make dutch spoken by hundreds of millions of people. had the british colonized us, english would have become the unifying language for us. the critical moment of history took place in 20 october 1928, when the the name "bahasa Indonesia" was introduced. The star was M.Thabrani who wrote in news paper column: "The Indonesian nation is not there yet, then bring it up. Bahasa Indonesia is not there yet, then bring it up"
@cikicikibumbum259 it's wild as a Moluccan knowing a lot of the elders including my Oma who grew up speaking Dutch. Then having to learn Bahasa Indonesia. I grew up with Indonesian community in the US, so it's always been Bahasa Indonesia and with heavy emphasis from Bahasa Indonesia from major city Jakarta. Yet when I hear Javanese I def hear the tonal influence it had on Jakarta Indonesian... but I can't follow at all. Nor many of the other Indonesian languages. I do tho have a good grasp of Ambonese Malay as I heard it and bits of Dutch!
@@gerrywilliams1392 Ikr? My best regards to Indonesian diapora/ community in your neighborhood.
Greetings bro. The reason javanese in Surinam dont speak indonesian is because they were in Surinam already since 1890 and Indonesia did not exist yet. Most javanese there have a hard enough time to teach their children javanese language since many of the new generations dont take interest to learn it by themselves.
The ones that do speak javanese and have interest in learning more spend time learning the more advanced styles of javanese. Learning bahasa Indonesian is only interesting to scholars that are seeking to visit indonesia more often. Some of them found spouses in Indonesia and brought them back to surinam lol (The reason i laugh is because Surinam is not a country i would immigrate to unless i was already rich or planning to be a big time drugdealer lmao). If you only came for vacation its great, but dont expect too much luxury.
Its a beautiful country, but the political situation is just a mess. Thats why my family came to the Netherlands in 1980.
And yes we have the best food in the world. I can proudly say that. The fact that every other ethnic race has adopted our cuisine, even in the netherlands, says it all. The first thing i hear when people see me is: Javanese food is so good lol
How similar are these languages?
As similar as English and Spanish.
Even close languages are different. For example “How are you” in Balinese: “Punapi gatri”, but in Javanese “Piye kabare”. So if you don’t know the language you won’t understand it when it is spoken to you.
Like English and Russian
Please video about Proto-Malayic language: the ancestor of Indonesian.
She did a video on proto malayic
And proto austronesian
Javanese isn't a Malayic language
@@Haloha-69 Indeed, Javanese is a Malayo-Polynesian language, but it is not part of the Malayic branch
@@erwino_alvarez he mean Indonesian languages (bahasa Indonesia) not Javanese
B.I is just a variant of Bahasa Melayu 🇲🇾💪🏽
A development from Riau-Lingga variant and peppered with Dutch, Arab, English and regional ones such as Javanese etc.
@@bramantyoprahoro7284 Riau was part of Johor Sultanate 🇲🇾💪🏽☪️
So it originated from Malay Peninsula 🇲🇾💪🏽☪️
@@infj5196 We are speaking about linguistic development, not countries.
@@bramantyoprahoro7284 Standardized form of Bahasa Melayu originated and developed in Melaka and Johor Sultanate.
@@infj5196 Need to learn again. Terima kasih.
According to Wikipedia there are more than 100 million Javanese, but native speakers are only 68 million. Why is that?
68 million are the native (1st language) speakers of Javanese and rest 32 million people speak it as a 2nd or 3rd language
there are javanese speakers as well in suriname
Now Javanese speak Malay (Indonesian)
Most of them prefer to teach their kids English at home, making it their second language and Indonesian at schools. Mostly are people living in big city such as Jakarta that super multiculture.
most maduranese understand javanese.
Could you make Taiwanese Chinese and Japanese?
why the indonesian speaker sound so freaky 😳
What is freaky?
It's normal
That is their way of pronouncing and slang.
Itu bahasa baku dan alami yang berasal darinya
In the last text, he spoke it with such a full of emotion, just to tell the story,, but in regular convo, we don't sound like that
Is it possible for Indonesian people to understand these languages?
Since Javanese is a majority in Indonesia, I think they do
Not really, bahasa Jawa more complex there are around 3 level ,casual, medium ( mix casual & polite) and pure polite / soft. Also there are some accent like banyumasan, Mataramam ,suroboyoan and many many more😂
Not all, as an Indonesian from Borneo, i can't understand what those Javanese say,
"sepak in standard Indonesian/English please" 😅.
Not all are Javanese, Indonesia are multi-ethnic and ofc language.
Nope...I have friends from Jakarta, I have friends from Medan, Sumatra Island, Indonesia, they don't understand Javanese at all, even though they know Indonesian, just like I don't understand Batak language at all, Batak language is the regional language of my friends from Medan.
Great video duo 🙏🤝
Basa jawa terlalu sulit😢
Itu benar
Kecuali kalau hanya belajar bahasa ngoko standar aja
Thats the reason why we're not using it as our national language despite javanese being the majority 😂
Is javanese the largest speaker in indonesia beside bahasa indonesia? Do you guys have ever taught that it could be your National language beside from Indonesian? since Indonesian and Malay are dialect to each other and it's kind'a blurry for foreigners to understand the origin of the language but Javanese is clearly native to Indonesia tho..
yes! javanese is indeed our biggest language spoken after indonean. and for why it's not the national language, i think it's mostly because of our motto "bhineka tunggal ika" which means unity in diversity. Soekarno which is the first president of Indonesia, most likely implemented the Indonesian language for the sake of uniting every races, and tribes in the nation. so you know, other tribes or other language speakers wouldn't get left out, so they crate a whole new language that's a bit inspired by malay, but still a whole different language! hope that helps! 😁
@@KarungBerasHitamso it's a united language for the country but I always see Indonesian and Malaysian have quarrel with the language tho. So after all isn't Malay dialect? does Singapore and Brunei speak Malay dialect as well? Or you guys understand each other?
@@KenAze17malay language was already a lingua franca at most areas in south east asia for almost a thousand years prior to indonesian independence. Traders from every part of south east asia commonly used malay language. Javanese language was not as common as malay language outside of java island. In 1928, "sumpah pemuda" agreed to choose malay as their uniting language towards independence against their colonialists. And all of them contribute to Sukarno's decision to make bahasa indonesia as the official language
@@KenAze17yes malay has many dialects, and johor-riau variety of malay was chosen as the language standard for both bahasa malaysia and bahasa indonesia. However, bahasa indonesia went through quite alot of changes over the decades with assimilation to regional languages and alot english words as well. While malaysia maintains minimal changes and minimal adoption of foreign languages. So bahasa malaysia is a more conserved version of malay language. Brunei and singapore use the same malay as malaysia as their official language
@@zulakmal11 Yes it was used as lingua franca or trading language for southeast Asia even in mainland and also part of Hainan China. Every country of southeast Asia has variantion or remnant of Malay language but I find it weird how our country Philippines doesn't have it. Even the nearest region. We do have some borrowed words tho or more influenced language by Malay but we never had remnant language of Malay dialect here. We never use delapan/lapan as eight here that I observed even to Viet,Thai,Khmer, and Hainan. Also Philippines maintain the verb initial with the same grammar core from north to south Philippines which is totally different from Malay and I think maybe this was the very reason of it. The rest of southeast Asia use SVO order as well. I just search this all now on this channel.
Hi guys! I have a great epiosde of my podcast with Indonesian guest @thelanguageworker