I feel like Illidan and Succubus should go in the same tier no matter the tier. Like they replaced the card with a new card with the same text in both cases. The only difference is Illidan got promoted to a hero so he's technically less deleted than Succubus 'cause that art is nowhere in the game now.
@@GubbiGap Nope! They changed it partially to remove the weird interactions he created when paired with Knife Juggler. Kind of a dick move tbh, since those situations would pretty much never happen in regular game and they made for some fun interactions for people who went out of their way to research HS's spaghetti code.
@@robertlupa8273 Wait what was the change? Last time I saw the new version he still summoned 2/1 minions so what did they do to change how that would interact with Knife Juggler?
@@GubbiGap It used to be "Whenever" as in before most effects resolved (like battlecry or spells), so knife juggler could kill a minion with deathrattle (like sylvanas or majordomo or abomination) and it would result in some interesting interactions like "destroying" a card that has returned to your hand discards it without triggering a deathrattle etc. I recommend checking it out for yourself (Hysteria did some of it iirc)
There were also limited time cards in area that we ACTUALLY deleted forever. I think the arena event was sometime in 2018 with several neutral and class cards were added and I don't think they were ever reprinted.
The art changes definitely weren't for the Chinese market. Chinese cards get different art entirely and still do sometimes. They'd have no reason to change it universally. More likely, they were changed for taste and tone. Hearthstone was getting to the point where they didn't want sex demons or excessive gore on the art. I say taste because of Windfury Harpy and especially Secretkeeper, which both looked like wank material in their old art.
And around that time, Blizzard was in a lot of hot water over their workplace environment and harassment, so them censoring art in both Hearthstone and WoW was them trying to do damage control, albiet very poorly
I was confused why you didn't mention that there was a gamerule change SPECIFICALLY because of stealer of souls where things costing health couldn't trigger demon seed and damaged through immune
I know this vid was probably in production prior to the change, but 'Reno, Long Ranger' is the newest addition to this list. It is just no longer the same card that was originally printed, at least for now.
Interestingly, if Mecha thun wasn't a thing, the 5 mana cataclysm would probably have been ok if it was released like that. If Mecha thun wasn't a thing, unchanged cataclysm would have probably never seen any play whatsoever before having enough good card to discard
I guess it's a comment bait, but you completely forgot to mention Patches the Pirate, his mechanics were changed, so his voiceline changed too for flavour reasons He functions mostly the same for his effect, but he also lost his combo potential entirely, so it's a big change, same as force of nature
25:26 Oh hey, that's the deck Sbergs and I came up with to grief Big Shaman players back when Lightning Bloom made it busted. Stunner on totems or colossal limbs was funny, especially if they tried to Ancestors call as follow-up and just summoned a useless 0/2 or glugg tail. You could also do Sonya+gnoll for theoretically infinite board clear with enough APM which helped buoy the deck from being bad into aggro
So cataclysm was a crazy card, it was one of the major pieces of one of my favorite decks that I've ever played that I've never seen anyone else play: quest warlock. Play quest, fill your hand as fast as possible, turn 4 play cataclysm, turn 5 play the portal, if I was lucky, I would also have 3+ Jekliks in hand at the time I played it, and no one knew how to deal with it (I only managed to break into silver rank once dk came out, so being in bronze might've had something to do with that). Didn't matter what I discarded, I discarded the Guldan hero card more times than I could remember, all that mattered was I got the quest completed. The deck was relatively successful up until reno came out, and was still okay up until Sargeras came out and he has a portal that's way better. I crafted a golden version of the quest because I liked it so much.
What about the Caverns of Time reworked cards? In particular, Cho’gall and Hobart Grapplehammer were totally reworked and barely resemble their old selves. There’s also the time they reworked some cards for bug fixing reasons, like fate splitter, monstrous parrot, counterfeit blade, dwarven archeologist, and Madame Goya. Good video, but could use a part 2.
I dont know if its worth mentioning that with stealer of souls they also changed how paying life instead of mana and being immune worked. now even with immune you will lose life to pay health for cards.
I probably should have mentioned it, it just felt like more of an interaction than the card but that was silly it takes like 10 seconds to quickly mention lol
Well stealer of souls got another thing deleted from the game - the interaction with immune. When they unbanned it they made so immune didnt work on health cost cards and also health cost cards doesnt progress QL for Warlock, so the card got its whole mechanic deleted from the game.
What about kazakusan. Forgive my bad spelling but big dragon that replaced your deck. His card requirements were changed, making it a different card. Also all the standard current highlander cards could have an argument for them being at least D tier
I'm either very dumb or not fluent enough in english, but you did not explain what happened to Illidan. Did the card literally get taken out of the game? did they change the name, art and effect? huh?
They changed some for being too gorey alongside it but yea I think it all changed near the start of the art all being more child friendly. Children's card game after all 😂
Without watching: first card will be my wife Warsong Commander
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Help me find Olgra
big if true
Your wife so hot
Orc mommy
I feel like Illidan and Succubus should go in the same tier no matter the tier. Like they replaced the card with a new card with the same text in both cases. The only difference is Illidan got promoted to a hero so he's technically less deleted than Succubus 'cause that art is nowhere in the game now.
Illidans new text was different which is why I put him highest
@@JordanMG Oh I thought the new one was just the same card but new name
@@GubbiGap Nope! They changed it partially to remove the weird interactions he created when paired with Knife Juggler. Kind of a dick move tbh, since those situations would pretty much never happen in regular game and they made for some fun interactions for people who went out of their way to research HS's spaghetti code.
@@robertlupa8273 Wait what was the change? Last time I saw the new version he still summoned 2/1 minions so what did they do to change how that would interact with Knife Juggler?
@@GubbiGap It used to be "Whenever" as in before most effects resolved (like battlecry or spells), so knife juggler could kill a minion with deathrattle (like sylvanas or majordomo or abomination) and it would result in some interesting interactions like "destroying" a card that has returned to your hand discards it without triggering a deathrattle etc. I recommend checking it out for yourself (Hysteria did some of it iirc)
Funny that they removed Illidan but not the Lich King
Lol
Maybe the Death Knight Arthas is pre-lich king variant? The Signature seems to support that
In fairness the Lich King is the centerpiece of the Frozen Throne expansion, they can't just get rid of him fron there
I too hope that one day Hearthstone gets its own Shahrazad: a card so poorly designed it can't be allowed anywhere but private games.
Demon seed hopefully first candidate
13:50 "Illidan lost basically everything" is a lore accurate sentence
When you think about it, Warsong Commander and the Charge spell DID get deleted from the game, the nerfed versions that is
LOL fair
Yeah, they brought it back lol
There were also limited time cards in area that we ACTUALLY deleted forever. I think the arena event was sometime in 2018 with several neutral and class cards were added and I don't think they were ever reprinted.
They've brought them in twice, could do it again 🤔
The art changes definitely weren't for the Chinese market. Chinese cards get different art entirely and still do sometimes. They'd have no reason to change it universally.
More likely, they were changed for taste and tone. Hearthstone was getting to the point where they didn't want sex demons or excessive gore on the art. I say taste because of Windfury Harpy and especially Secretkeeper, which both looked like wank material in their old art.
And around that time, Blizzard was in a lot of hot water over their workplace environment and harassment, so them censoring art in both Hearthstone and WoW was them trying to do damage control, albiet very poorly
@oneblacksun No, the lawsuit wasn't for another two years after.
I was confused why you didn't mention that there was a gamerule change SPECIFICALLY because of stealer of souls where things costing health couldn't trigger demon seed and damaged through immune
Specifically to stop the next stealer of souls but yea, I could have mentioned it, just wasnt a card change so I didnt
@@JordanMG Fair
I know this vid was probably in production prior to the change, but 'Reno, Long Ranger' is the newest addition to this list. It is just no longer the same card that was originally printed, at least for now.
He completely lost the "1v1 at high noon" flavor. :(
Interestingly, if Mecha thun wasn't a thing, the 5 mana cataclysm would probably have been ok if it was released like that. If Mecha thun wasn't a thing, unchanged cataclysm would have probably never seen any play whatsoever before having enough good card to discard
Thinking about unnerfed jaina still gives me a good giggle
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There was a nerf to the 2 cost 3/2 your spells cost 1 less to now not less than 1
They forgot to nerf DK Jaina
I guess it's a comment bait, but you completely forgot to mention Patches the Pirate, his mechanics were changed, so his voiceline changed too for flavour reasons
He functions mostly the same for his effect, but he also lost his combo potential entirely, so it's a big change, same as force of nature
I suppose
25:26 Oh hey, that's the deck Sbergs and I came up with to grief Big Shaman players back when Lightning Bloom made it busted. Stunner on totems or colossal limbs was funny, especially if they tried to Ancestors call as follow-up and just summoned a useless 0/2 or glugg tail. You could also do Sonya+gnoll for theoretically infinite board clear with enough APM which helped buoy the deck from being bad into aggro
Heck yeah, I always look forward to your vids
surely this rotation we will revert Force of Nature
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I edge to your videos daily. keep it up!
Thats not Lt. Eddy!
Erm
So cataclysm was a crazy card, it was one of the major pieces of one of my favorite decks that I've ever played that I've never seen anyone else play: quest warlock. Play quest, fill your hand as fast as possible, turn 4 play cataclysm, turn 5 play the portal, if I was lucky, I would also have 3+ Jekliks in hand at the time I played it, and no one knew how to deal with it (I only managed to break into silver rank once dk came out, so being in bronze might've had something to do with that). Didn't matter what I discarded, I discarded the Guldan hero card more times than I could remember, all that mattered was I got the quest completed. The deck was relatively successful up until reno came out, and was still okay up until Sargeras came out and he has a portal that's way better. I crafted a golden version of the quest because I liked it so much.
that awesome! sounds like you had a lot of fun! :D
2:00 - AFAIK this card still obtainable in wild by Toki's effect.
If true that's a nifty easter egg, would love to see footage of it happening
@JordanMG hearthtech episode 178. At least there is footage with both jaraxus
@JordanMG my bad, Illidan also present in that episode
What about the Caverns of Time reworked cards? In particular, Cho’gall and Hobart Grapplehammer were totally reworked and barely resemble their old selves. There’s also the time they reworked some cards for bug fixing reasons, like fate splitter, monstrous parrot, counterfeit blade, dwarven archeologist, and Madame Goya. Good video, but could use a part 2.
I can’t say I skipped all those on purpose, but I love when I have the option to do a part 2 if part 1 does well
I do wonder, what are the most insane nerfs that AREN'T reworks.
Probably only like +2 mana and stat reduction as the best examples. Usually the strongest nerfs can be classified as reworks
@@JordanMG i will say if it's just like, a text alteration that still does teh same thing but worse it's fine. just no outright new ability
Jaraxus being sac pac'd was top tier keks. Rip og jaraxus
indeed. rip the king!
wildpaw gnoll got the "Pack" card to fix itself. And frankly at this point they might as well delete reno, lone ranger.
Pack card ended up making gnoll good without maestra yes, although 6 mana
I dont know if its worth mentioning that with stealer of souls they also changed how paying life instead of mana and being immune worked. now even with immune you will lose life to pay health for cards.
I probably should have mentioned it, it just felt like more of an interaction than the card but that was silly it takes like 10 seconds to quickly mention lol
If Stealer of Souls is a mention, I think Sorcerers Apprentice and Radiant Elemental should be mentioned as well
yea rip the queen
We forgot Fate Splitter ig
🤔 I'm sure theres more, it's fine 😂
Combo druid(in the Emperor Thaurissan times) was the one the most disgusting decks ever
It’s worth noting Force of Nature in its original state was 5 mana.
the alpha wasn't real it doesn't count
Well stealer of souls got another thing deleted from the game - the interaction with immune. When they unbanned it they made so immune didnt work on health cost cards and also health cost cards doesnt progress QL for Warlock, so the card got its whole mechanic deleted from the game.
I literally forgot about succubus for years lol
Reasonable
I haven't played hearthstone in five years but I'm still thinking about her
There used to be a card called " fade" 0 mana priest if i remember right
alpha/pre-release stuff is not real
Poor Succ… damn you China and 'Muricah!
RuneScape music goes hard
What about kazakusan. Forgive my bad spelling but big dragon that replaced your deck. His card requirements were changed, making it a different card. Also all the standard current highlander cards could have an argument for them being at least D tier
I'm either very dumb or not fluent enough in english, but you did not explain what happened to Illidan. Did the card literally get taken out of the game? did they change the name, art and effect? huh?
Illidian was removed and replaced with Xavius, picture shown @ 3:00
Ill try to be more clear in the future!
Bring back succubus lol
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Pretty sure that in alpha Ilidan would discard 2 of your opponents cards or something.
Think it was a double sided effect. Draw 5 discard 5 to both players or something along those lines I think.
I dont know much or acknowledge much about alpha 😅
9:15 - this one also can be aquired by Toki if blizzard didn't change that.
If true thats a nifty easter egg
I've been playing HS since beta and I've never heard anyone call anything "warsonged." Not saying it's not true, but I don't think its that common.
Albeit not a card, Jaina was deleted and replaced with a new hero.
She gets an honorable mention! 😂
23:14 that gave me pain
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stormrage was my first legendary, :(
Really stretching the definition of the word "deleted" here
One could say I stretched it to 5 different tiers!
Yeah Illidan got his name and art changed lol
Succubus was disappointing as hell Blizz
5:33 Wow, why so angry? o_o
🤔 I dont think I was at that timestamp 😂
@@JordanMG 5:34, close enough :)
@@robertlupa8273 lol r u referring to the sound effect i used everytime i added a card to the tierlist
great vid
Woah, i saw TrumpSC.. Does anyone knows what happened that guy
He posted Hearthstone 3 weeks ago, so he’s sorta around I would say
Blizzard 10 years ago: Hell yeah! Women!
Blizzard now: Women aren't even attractive. Here's a lady dwarf with a beard and a trans dragon race.
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So true! Western gaming was ground zero for insecure wokesters' war against attractive female characters.
lol did they change these cards because they had attractive characters??? freaking clown company lmao
They changed some for being too gorey alongside it but yea I think it all changed near the start of the art all being more child friendly. Children's card game after all 😂
17:08 "manya" :3 meow
AGREED LET'S DELETE THEOTAR
Love the vids
i prefer Felstalker over Succubus. because it was my favorite demon to use in WoW when i played my Lock
@blizzard #blizzard When will we get some of these cards reverted?
Devs simply don't care or mabye don't have the skill it requires.
Some certainly could be reverted
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