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John David Ebert | Introduction to Oswald Spengler (2001)
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2021
- A lecture on Oswald Spengler at the (now defunct) Astrological Institute in Scottsdale, Arizona, from March of 2001. Part of a three day workshop directed by John David Ebert on "Mythologies of the Evolution of Consciousness." This discussion of Spengler was preceded by a long talk on Rudolf Steiner and followed by a lecture on Jean Gebser.
The Astrological Institute was the first school to ever achieve accreditation status for the study of astrology, but subsequently went under after its owner succumbed to cancer.
UA-cam actually recommended this to me. I must be doing something right
Very good, watching Australia today and the aggression in their politics just starting, a lot of change coming. Cheers for the upload.
I loved this! I am once again looking in Spengler's direction when the topic of philosophy of history passed me by recently. This was most helpful, but it would have been far less easier to understand without preliminary knowledge of Goethe, Nietzsche and Spengler at least a little bit.
Great talk. I think JDE missed the Indian prime symbol -- the zero, nirvana, nothingness! I've been telling myself Spengler for decades, it's great to hear it from John. Spengler was the great pessimist -- and sort of a multiculturalist -- a great corrective to contemporist* arrogance of any kind.
*I made up that word, I hope you get what I mean
I get it 👍 I might try to use that now
excellent! ...very interesting indeed.
Thanks for uploading btw. That was great.
Hey, dude! Nice to see you here. Yeah, I've always been frustrated his clips are broken into 10 minute sections, which I think is an artifact of UA-cam's old upload limits. That and the audio quality can be easily cleaned up in Audacity. So over time I'm planning to take some of his series I've found most valuable, edit them together and reduce the background noise. Also as a backup in case his channel goes down or he takes it down for some reason.
@@thegoldenthread Spengler was spot on with so many predictions coming to fruition it's crazy. Have the Gebser talk by chance?
@@JAMESKOURTIDES I will, eventually.
@@thegoldenthread I would love to hear the Gebser talk, too. I came to Spengler after Gebser and am immensely fond of both.
This is worthy.
That said, spruce it up visually; throw in graphics
Capture and hold peoples’ attention
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@@thegoldenthread ok
@@thegoldenthreadholy shit based department???
Personally, I think the models of history have changed in stages of development like human development. Tribal society is mythical and magical in it's history. Agriculture chiefdoms are about mythical, but more cyclical models based off nature. Empires are more mythical-literate, with Christianity beginning the more linear model. Scientific Renaissance was more on the idea of progress, modernism. Spengler to me represents pluralism and is in ways post-modern. While Gebser and Wilber were more integral and evolutionary.
To think that this lecture was mere months before 9/11.
Spengler sees Russia as a still young culture. This is extremely interesting.
Does he include the other people of the plains: The Hungarians, Poles, Bulgarians etc. ? Does Faustian Europe end on the Elbe and the outskirts Vienna?
The onion shaped church is also visible in former German dominated Eastern europe. It also has the upward Faustian element. This is probably a Faustian pseudomorphosis of the culture of the Plains.
Too bad there is not enough writing on it.
No mention of Constantinople or even Byzantium?
Spengler lumps the Eastern Romans in with what he calls the Magian civilization, which I don't think is exactly a credit to his taxonomy. A little awareness of the later science of complex organic systems might have helped Spengler's model make more sense...wouldn't have to shoehorn in certain traits to certain 'species' of civilization, and instead could recognize complex exchanges, displacements, successions, etc.
Still find him tremendously insightful. And worth entertaining his thoughts, even with respect to the supposedly Magian spirit of the Roman East...Pageau has noted repeatedly that Constantinople drew many of its architectural forms from the Persian margin to their east, which obviously fits less awkwardly into the 'Magian' scheme. This passage from The Decline of the West reflects on the difference between Magian & Faustian architecture, manifesting the soul of the respective civilizations.
"Compare with the Faustian spirit of these [Northern] churches - almost wall-less, loftily vaulted, irradiated with many-colored light, aspiring from nave to choir - the Arabian (that is, the early Christian Byzantine) cupola church. The pendentive cupola, that seems to float on high above the basilica or the octagon, was indeed also a victory over the principle of natural gravity which the Classical expressed in architrave and column; it, too, was a defiance of architectural body, of 'exterior.' But the very absence of an exterior emphasizes the more the unbroken coherence of the wall that shuts in the Cavern and allows no look and no hope to emerge from it. An ingeniously confusing inter-penetration of spherical and polygonal forms; a load so placed upon a stone drum that it seems to hover weightless on high, yet closing the interior without outlet; all structural lines concealed; vague light admitted, through a small opening in the heart of the dome but only the more inexorably to emphasize the walling in - such are the characters that we see in the masterpieces of this art, S. Vitale in Ravenna, Hagia Sophia in Constantinople, and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. Where the Egyptian puts reliefs that with their flat planes studiously avoid any foreshortening suggestive of lateral depth, where the Gothic architects put their pictures of glass to draw in the world of space without, the Magian clothes his walls with sparkling, predominantly golden, mosaics and arabesques and so drowns his cavern in that unreal, fairytale light which for Northerners is always so seductive in Moorish art.
The phenomenon of the great style, then, is an emanation from the essence of the Macrocosm, from the prime symbol of a great culture. No one who can appreciate the connotation of the word sufficiently to see that it designates not a form aggregate but a form history, will try to align the fragmentary and chaotic art utterances of primitive mankind with the comprehensive certainty of a style that consistently develops over centuries. Only the art of great Cultures, the art that has ceased to be only art and has begun to be an effective unit of expression and significance, possesses style."
This could be why he didn't really have much to say about Russia.
Egyptians, streamlined after the nile?
Spengler broke my head hahah omg bust.
sub. im very hopeful.