>Any other Chapter come so close as to be destroyed >Names Chapters that have never been close to extinction vs a Chapter that has gone extict at least once confirmed Chapters not Legions
@ssjjshawn Those legions lost way more than the Imperial Fists ever did. There's a reason why there weren't many succesor chapters for them compared to the Ultramarines or the Fists themselves.
@@ZaKRo-bx7lp I don't think you read my statement. They were as a chapter destroyed. Not as a Legion. A Chapter. As in during the War of the Beast the Imperial Fists went extinct. Their successor chapters had to give up their own wargear and veterans to restart a new chapter named the Imperial Fists. None of the Chapters that hail from the Shattered Legions can say the same
@@PumpkinHoardare you referring to Dantioch? Because he was a reputed warsmith, a rank not simply bestowed after a day or two, and definitely not just thrown around to any Tom, Duck or Harry by Perturabo. Why do you assume he crafted that tactic, rather than learning and honing it from his genesire during his innumerable sieges under Peter Turbo? Could it not have been Bo's own tactic, which readers saw the first glimpse of in Dantioch's book?
I don’t think the Iron Cage was a particularly genius moment at all…. And far from Perty’s MOST genius, which would probably be the siege itself or fighting Angron. Especially considering a battered Fists legions willingly walked into the eternal fortress against a full strength Iron Warriors legion with EVERY possible advantage, and still managed to kick their teeth in and give as good as they got. Even IF the fists got completely slaughtered, is it really that impressive???? You fought a decimated legion ravaged by the siege of terra, in your own fortress built specifically for this moment, with traps and firing lines everywhere. Like, yeah, no fucking shit you’re gonna kill a lot of them 😂😂😂
Given the Last Wall protocol and the Imperial Fists Legion secretly hasn't really dispersed. The destruction of the Imperial Fists has greatly exaggerated.
Point of order The Imperial Fists are not a first founding chapter. They are a First Founding Legion The second founding then led to the chapter of the parent legion being called "Chapters of the First Founding" This is not the same as a "First Founding chapter" as the first founding only founded Legions Saying "First Founding chapter" sounds nonsensical
How are there so many people getting popped for failure, but you're gonna dang near lose a whole first founding chapter and not have to run for your life?
Yes, only the main successor chapter was wiped out down to the last man. The other Imperial fist succesor chapters sent some of their men over to re-found the main successor chapter.
All second founding chapters came from the legions…it’s just the 9 kept the legion homeworld and iconography and if their primarch was (temporarily) around/alive he ran stuff out of that world until they didn’t until Robby McGuillicutty and Chuck Dansing-With-Jawas came back
Like technically the 9 that kept the legion names and iconography are also second founding chapters, since at the first founding, they were legions and were under legion organization and structure. Which logistically and narratively I just seeing as being overkill as a fighting force, it’s like that trope about ninjas (conservation of ninjutsu or something?) where if you have 1 ninja, he’s a stealthy murder machine but if you have hundreds of ninjas then they’re cannon fodder. Realistically I don’t know that 1000 marines could take over a planet with comprable tech to the imperium. I think they are the best (mass produced) special forces for the imperium of man and as Space Marines, so that “tip of the spear elite strike force” job fantastically, but are shitbad and wasted resources to be in anything that’s not that. Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors are both bad for either being cover camping shits, or always sieging shits. A single cyclonic torpedo fired outside the shields of a non compliant city makes the earth quake and the city fall. Send in the marines and the Army the finish the fight.
I think the First Founding Chapters have an advantage in their Tech and Gear...more Terminators, Mobile Armor, better small and heavy arms options...ancient stuff. That's a pretty heavy advantage Mate. The 'stupidity' of the Codex was in not allowing the OG Legion's to keep 50k standing...and use them to feed reinforcements to their off-shoots so that no Chapters would face absolute destruction. 50k Astartes is not enough power to cause another Heresy level event...but it is enough to provide a reasonable quick defense against this Era's major enemies. Think about it...mobilizing a single 50k OG Chapter to an Armageddon at its start, rather than wait for 1k Chapters to trickle in from throughout the galaxy...or how about Tyranids...or an immediate heavy response to another Black Crusade... Robute fucked up heavily by creating this virtual 10 000 year slow bleed of the Imperium.
@@talonsclaw9058 It's not hindsight. It's a practical evaluation of how 30k Chaos Legions, to the best of Imperium knowledge, still organized their forces. There was no indication that the Heretical Legions were broken up into a 'Chapter' dispersion of force. In fact, Iron Legion didn't..so...Imagine a surviving Iron Legion, who left the Siege early, destroying, one by one, insignificant Chapter sized forces trying to stave them off. Again, this was a massive fuck up by Robute....spreading thin Imperium forces due to fear rather than facing what they didn't know, and preparing for it appropriately. EGO.
No! Not Lord Adorable bests boys. (Edited:I thought GW came out with new Imp Fist lore before I watched the video. I didn't realize this was about the "War of the Beast" series. Lol)
I would love it if Dorn came back next, found out what happened then he, flanked by his 2 brothers, storm into a meeting of all the high lords, show the evidence, tear into all of them, then accuse the fabricator general of being no better than Kelbor Hal when he tries to defend the mechanicus’s actions. Then immediately demanding and forcing retribution because, after all, wtf are they going to do against the combined will of 3 returned primarchs. Ahhh a boy could dream. In the end though I would love to see what Dorn does when he finds out about it if he returns (which I would love) because we all know he WILL make a big deal out of it and do something about it
@@minhducnguyen9276 if Dorn was serious the fabricator general would get maybe a word or two of that sentence out before Dorn executes him with his bare hands for crimes against the imperium 😂
There is no fabricator general now. Him and an inquisitior where going to cut a deal with drukhari to try and fix the golden throne realized that was a Supremely stupid idea then all got killed in the web way. I think he's still considered MIA but the new codex might have new lore about a replacement.
im a bit lost. the main force of the imperial fists went to fight a massive ork wagh. then the admiral of terra ordered the remains of the imperial fists on terrra to reinforce the main force? i ask because it seems that he reinforced his personal battle at the other side, but that cant be since then the imperial fists wouldnt be on the verge of extintion, since they would be at two places, not one.
What do i think? Funny, i have been hanging the laundry whilst listening. My 2 favorite shirts are printed with "iron within, Iron without". Thats how i think about the fists, great iron cage fodder!
Why did the imperial fists fight this battle alone? Do they not have any successor chapters or imperial guard/titan legion/knight houses/admech allies?
Yea, I think this gives more credence to my disdain of the mechanicus. Soulless bastard for the most part, barely human. Except for the magus that didn't want to do the surgery. He's ok.
Well I am slaughter survived thou the planet was mostly destroied by the moon teleporting. Slaughter said it himself they couldn't fight the planet with a sword or a shield. It would be really cool to save the other two fists they were bad ass. I believe the Black Templars and the First exemplars will help with restoring the main chapter. The Black templars Marshal seems like a very angry person :D
Now, I know we are dealing with the Beast Arises, but events even this far back, still echo in the 41st Millenium! The High Lords are still self serving back stabbers! Now, the Orks of that time had a unity not really seen before. Echoing events in the 41st Millenium, Thraka and the Orks! So, as I stated yesterday, multiple threats to Terra! The power of an Ork Wwwwaaaaagggghhhhh must never be under estimated. Also, the collective power of the Ork mind, the Great Green! Should events come to pass that the Orks unify to the extent of the past, the Imperium would be unable to meet this. The Tyranids, Chaos, Necrons as well.
It would be interesting to see Rogal Dorn return and not recognize the Imperial Fists because they had fallen a handful of times. That his true sons ‘are dead’
I stopped watching Wolf Lord Rho cuz' of the intentionally fake click bait titles but I popped into this one cuz' damn that title was aluring. It's about a story in M31.5, in which the Imperial Fists chapter does not meet anything resembling it's end, and was yet more click bait. Time to unsub and click the "Do not show channel" button, sorry bud but your standards have just dropped too low.
"Ardamantua was suddenly wracked by unexpected gravitational storms and geological disturbances as the chromes made their final desperate assault upon the Imperial lines. The Imperial Fist on the world were decimated, their fleet lost, and Chapter Master Cassus Mirhen himself slain by the chromes" written by GW not Wolf Lord Rho and the Title of this "End of the Imperial Fists" written by GW
@Danterag5 "Clickbait typically refers to the practice of writing sensationalised or misleading headlines in order to attract clicks on a piece of content, it often relies on exaggerating claims or leaving out key information in order to encourage traffic"
@@Danterag5 my point is blame GW not Wolf Lord Rho it's like he uses the title 'The Terran Crusade' and you saying this is clickbait it wasn't a Crusade but GW named it 'The Terran Crusade' not Wolf Lord Rho
"Has any other founding chapter come as close to extinction?"
Iron Hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard: "Tuesday. We call those days Tuesday"
Don’t forget all the chapters of the blood in the devastation of Baal for like a chapter
>Any other Chapter come so close as to be destroyed
>Names Chapters that have never been close to extinction vs a Chapter that has gone extict at least once confirmed
Chapters not Legions
@ssjjshawn Those legions lost way more than the Imperial Fists ever did. There's a reason why there weren't many succesor chapters for them compared to the Ultramarines or the Fists themselves.
@@ZaKRo-bx7lp I don't think you read my statement.
They were as a chapter destroyed. Not as a Legion. A Chapter. As in during the War of the Beast the Imperial Fists went extinct. Their successor chapters had to give up their own wargear and veterans to restart a new chapter named the Imperial Fists.
None of the Chapters that hail from the Shattered Legions can say the same
The Imperial Fists have almost been made extinct a few times, which does show how stubborn they are. The Iron Cage was Perturabo's most genius moment.
I mean, he was really just copying what one of his former subordinates had done to him on a grander scale.
@@PumpkinHoard True, however Plato was just spreading Socrates's teachings.... still remembered as brilliant!
@@PumpkinHoardare you referring to Dantioch? Because he was a reputed warsmith, a rank not simply bestowed after a day or two, and definitely not just thrown around to any Tom, Duck or Harry by Perturabo. Why do you assume he crafted that tactic, rather than learning and honing it from his genesire during his innumerable sieges under Peter Turbo? Could it not have been Bo's own tactic, which readers saw the first glimpse of in Dantioch's book?
I don’t think the Iron Cage was a particularly genius moment at all…. And far from Perty’s MOST genius, which would probably be the siege itself or fighting Angron. Especially considering a battered Fists legions willingly walked into the eternal fortress against a full strength Iron Warriors legion with EVERY possible advantage, and still managed to kick their teeth in and give as good as they got. Even IF the fists got completely slaughtered, is it really that impressive???? You fought a decimated legion ravaged by the siege of terra, in your own fortress built specifically for this moment, with traps and firing lines everywhere. Like, yeah, no fucking shit you’re gonna kill a lot of them 😂😂😂
Ohh lord, here comes Valrak.
I can hear it now lol.
Oooooh nuu brov
Hypetrain!!! he is buying three box's how many box's are you buying?
I hope not he is such a knobhead.
"WELL WELL WELL..." inc lol
Given the Last Wall protocol and the Imperial Fists Legion secretly hasn't really dispersed. The destruction of the Imperial Fists has greatly exaggerated.
Point of order
The Imperial Fists are not a first founding chapter. They are a First Founding Legion
The second founding then led to the chapter of the parent legion being called "Chapters of the First Founding"
This is not the same as a "First Founding chapter" as the first founding only founded Legions
Saying "First Founding chapter" sounds nonsensical
Im expecting a reckoning from Valrak soon.
How are there so many people getting popped for failure, but you're gonna dang near lose a whole first founding chapter and not have to run for your life?
Didn’t they restart the chapter with Marines who were originally imperial fists?
Yep.
Yes, only the main successor chapter was wiped out down to the last man. The other Imperial fist succesor chapters sent some of their men over to re-found the main successor chapter.
All second founding chapters came from the legions…it’s just the 9 kept the legion homeworld and iconography and if their primarch was (temporarily) around/alive he ran stuff out of that world until they didn’t until Robby McGuillicutty and Chuck Dansing-With-Jawas came back
Like technically the 9 that kept the legion names and iconography are also second founding chapters, since at the first founding, they were legions and were under legion organization and structure.
Which logistically and narratively I just seeing as being overkill as a fighting force, it’s like that trope about ninjas (conservation of ninjutsu or something?) where if you have 1 ninja, he’s a stealthy murder machine but if you have hundreds of ninjas then they’re cannon fodder.
Realistically I don’t know that 1000 marines could take over a planet with comprable tech to the imperium. I think they are the best (mass produced) special forces for the imperium of man and as Space Marines, so that “tip of the spear elite strike force” job fantastically, but are shitbad and wasted resources to be in anything that’s not that.
Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors are both bad for either being cover camping shits, or always sieging shits.
A single cyclonic torpedo fired outside the shields of a non compliant city makes the earth quake and the city fall. Send in the marines and the Army the finish the fight.
I can almost visualize Valraks face as he watched this. LOL
I think the First Founding Chapters have an advantage in their Tech and Gear...more Terminators, Mobile Armor, better small and heavy arms options...ancient stuff. That's a pretty heavy advantage Mate. The 'stupidity' of the Codex was in not allowing the OG Legion's to keep 50k standing...and use them to feed reinforcements to their off-shoots so that no Chapters would face absolute destruction. 50k Astartes is not enough power to cause another Heresy level event...but it is enough to provide a reasonable quick defense against this Era's major enemies. Think about it...mobilizing a single 50k OG Chapter to an Armageddon at its start, rather than wait for 1k Chapters to trickle in from throughout the galaxy...or how about Tyranids...or an immediate heavy response to another Black Crusade... Robute fucked up heavily by creating this virtual 10 000 year slow bleed of the Imperium.
50k?
@@velenvskaelhas Yes...50 000 Astartes.
@@male272 haha I was like “is this guy intentionally calling 40k 50k”
hindsight is 20/20
@@talonsclaw9058 It's not hindsight. It's a practical evaluation of how 30k Chaos Legions, to the best of Imperium knowledge, still organized their forces. There was no indication that the Heretical Legions were broken up into a 'Chapter' dispersion of force. In fact, Iron Legion didn't..so...Imagine a surviving Iron Legion, who left the Siege early, destroying, one by one, insignificant Chapter sized forces trying to stave them off. Again, this was a massive fuck up by Robute....spreading thin Imperium forces due to fear rather than facing what they didn't know, and preparing for it appropriately. EGO.
No! Not Lord Adorable bests boys.
(Edited:I thought GW came out with new Imp Fist lore before I watched the video. I didn't realize this was about the "War of the Beast" series. Lol)
Oh the imperial fists all died again. Two more chapter wipes and they get a revived primarch…
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Imagine the reaction of the Black Templars.
I would love it if Dorn came back next, found out what happened then he, flanked by his 2 brothers, storm into a meeting of all the high lords, show the evidence, tear into all of them, then accuse the fabricator general of being no better than Kelbor Hal when he tries to defend the mechanicus’s actions. Then immediately demanding and forcing retribution because, after all, wtf are they going to do against the combined will of 3 returned primarchs. Ahhh a boy could dream. In the end though I would love to see what Dorn does when he finds out about it if he returns (which I would love) because we all know he WILL make a big deal out of it and do something about it
Umm, Guilliman already did that and had several of the high lords executed...
"Without me, here's the taste of what this battle would be, no light, no camera, no sound, see?" Fabricator general.
@@minhducnguyen9276 if Dorn was serious the fabricator general would get maybe a word or two of that sentence out before Dorn executes him with his bare hands for crimes against the imperium 😂
He is disguised as a centurion in palace.
There is no fabricator general now. Him and an inquisitior where going to cut a deal with drukhari to try and fix the golden throne realized that was a Supremely stupid idea then all got killed in the web way. I think he's still considered MIA but the new codex might have new lore about a replacement.
Valrak gon lose his shit
Same old, same old.
I really hope there was a reckoning for the scumbag mechanicus. Should also make a video on the survivor
The Emperor would have words with these heretics
I came here to listen to story time and promote Valrak & Rho vs Lutein & Kiroth team game.
im a bit lost. the main force of the imperial fists went to fight a massive ork wagh. then the admiral of terra ordered the remains of the imperial fists on terrra to reinforce the main force?
i ask because it seems that he reinforced his personal battle at the other side, but that cant be since then the imperial fists wouldnt be on the verge of extintion, since they would be at two places, not one.
I like to think of the Black Templars with this story. How would they respond.
Angrily
What do i think? Funny, i have been hanging the laundry whilst listening. My 2 favorite shirts are printed with "iron within, Iron without". Thats how i think about the fists, great iron cage fodder!
Why did the imperial fists fight this battle alone? Do they not have any successor chapters or imperial guard/titan legion/knight houses/admech allies?
For how involved the Imperial Fist’s are in the HH, there are no great 41k Imperial Fists novel
Yea, I think this gives more credence to my disdain of the mechanicus. Soulless bastard for the most part, barely human. Except for the magus that didn't want to do the surgery. He's ok.
My go-to chapter since space crusade!
Having not read this series, I hope we get a video on reactions to all this
I'm going to be honest. I think the black Templars would raze mars
Whats with the valrak simps? This is book lore not a fandom
So the only first founding chapters not wiped out are UltraMarines, Space Wolves and White Scars right?
It will be revealed the imperial Fists were wiped out and the current imperial Fists are really Alpha Legion.
They are Alpharius.
Well I am slaughter survived thou the planet was mostly destroied by the moon teleporting. Slaughter said it himself they couldn't fight the planet with a sword or a shield. It would be really cool to save the other two fists they were bad ass. I believe the Black Templars and the First exemplars will help with restoring the main chapter. The Black templars Marshal seems like a very angry person :D
Oh Peter turbo is going to have a fit
Now, I know we are dealing with the Beast Arises, but events even this far back, still echo in the 41st Millenium! The High Lords are still self serving back stabbers! Now, the Orks of that time had a unity not really seen before. Echoing events in the 41st Millenium, Thraka and the Orks! So, as I stated yesterday, multiple threats to Terra!
The power of an Ork Wwwwaaaaagggghhhhh must never be under estimated. Also, the collective power of the Ork mind, the Great Green! Should events come to pass that the Orks unify to the extent of the past, the Imperium would be unable to meet this. The Tyranids, Chaos, Necrons as well.
When I see them in yellow and red all I can think of is Ronald McDonald.
So did the whole of the imperial fists die (other than the one) or was there a reserve ship with them? Just a little confused here
It would be interesting to see Rogal Dorn return and not recognize the Imperial Fists because they had fallen a handful of times. That his true sons ‘are dead’
His reaction to the Black Templars would be interesting.
Does Rho have some sort of vendetta against Valrak?
Its lore (just like female costodes 💀)how is it a vendetta ?
This is so sad story.
This video has more filler than a cream filled donut
The War of the Beast was really bad series of books. Killing the Fists was just salt on the wound tho
- an Imperial Fists Player
woo here in under a minute
Suspended animation ? Strange, i thought the Imperial Fists didn't have a functional Sus-an membrane. The more you know.
They did back then.
Yea a gene flaw many didn’t.
ThE mOrE YoU KnOw.
That’s warhammer
We just slaughtered the last of the fists on this section of the wall ... moving on to secondary assault location....Iron Within lol
mechanicus aint my bois no more
I love most black library works, but war of the beast was just awful
DAMN
What if Dorn is a perpetual just like Vulcan?
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
War😊
I want Über Batman Bin Suparman Primaris Marines
Oopsie
I stopped watching Wolf Lord Rho cuz' of the intentionally fake click bait titles but I popped into this one cuz' damn that title was aluring. It's about a story in M31.5, in which the Imperial Fists chapter does not meet anything resembling it's end, and was yet more click bait. Time to unsub and click the "Do not show channel" button, sorry bud but your standards have just dropped too low.
"Ardamantua was suddenly wracked by unexpected gravitational storms and geological disturbances as the chromes made their final desperate assault upon the Imperial lines. The Imperial Fist on the world were decimated, their fleet lost, and Chapter Master Cassus Mirhen himself slain by the chromes" written by GW not Wolf Lord Rho and the Title of this "End of the Imperial Fists" written by GW
@@Duppyman695 bruh in M41 the Imperial Fists are literally with Guiliman, they can't have been wiped out if they're still here.
@Danterag5 "Clickbait typically refers to the practice of writing sensationalised or misleading headlines in order to attract clicks on a piece of content, it often relies on exaggerating claims or leaving out key information in order to encourage traffic"
@@Duppyman695 yeah that's my accusation. His titles have been going that way all year.
@@Danterag5 my point is blame GW not Wolf Lord Rho it's like he uses the title 'The Terran Crusade' and you saying this is clickbait it wasn't a Crusade but GW named it 'The Terran Crusade' not Wolf Lord Rho