Siggy Shade is like the opposite of most of these. Like the premise sounds so fucking weird then the tentacle monster and the main girl have an entire conversation about consent and boundaries. Theres a scale on booktok and honestly I’ll take the consentacles over dubious mafia fantasy any day
I think enemies to lovers implies a certain level of equal power. like it's a hero and a villain or a similar situation. like they hated each other before they're ever put into a situation where they're forced together. if they're enemies BECAUSE one of them was kidnapped by the other, I don't think it really counts.
I have to disagree, enemies are still enemies and I actually like enemies to lovers with power dynamics included. Obviously I am speaking about a fiction trope but I do think because power imbalance is such a common kink, more hard-core enemies to lovers stories, while not for everyone do have their place. Like, my flavour of enemies to lovers is shipping a tragic rebel hero with the evil overlord of their setting
@@lorieslori8051 I never said power dynamics were bad or anything like that, and yeah they can be included in enemies to lovers, but I guess what I really meant is they have their own motives or morals that clash, and that's what makes them enemies. I think by equal power I meant they were opposing forces towards opposite goals, not that they were literally equally as powerful as each other. Which is why I think if it's the situation from the video where an unsuspecting girl gets kidnapped and that's why she hates her "enemy" then I don't really feel like it counts. Her goal before that didn't clash with his goal, which is what I feel makes it count as enemies to lovers. You could easily fix this to make it fit the trope, like say her goal is to improve the local library, but his goal is to close the library down, so they hate each other, THEN he kidnaps her, I feel like this story fits better. But it is just my opinion, idk.
The Power Dynamic is the least of the problems with this topic. When you can reduce your main narrative element to a single specific trope, and you wanted this from the start, 99% of the time your resulting will be trash
@@Zara123-x8q nah man cis describes gender not sexual orientation, a gay man can be cis. I would know, I've been called cis in a negative connotation because I was deemed not queer enough by someone
That "Michaels" shit really is top tier comedy, and I will have it at the back of my mind for AT LEAST a week, giggling under my breath like an old hag at a witch trial
Anyone with an actual choking kink knows that there's a specific way to hold someone's neck so they can still breathe and aren't being hurt. Just goes to show that the people who write shit like this know absolutely nothing about kink and have never interacted with the community in any capacity. Safety and boundaries are like the first things that get brought up there. I'm guessing these people (authors?) think it's somehow sexier to ignore safety and concent but like... that's just abuse now. And mind you, noncon is a kink too, but that particular one probably has the most "we don't condone x in real life" disclaimers out of every community I've seen. I think these people just straight up don't know how to write kink.
"Just goes to show that the people who write shit like this know absolutely nothing about kink and have never interacted with the community in any capacity." Probably because a lot of these authors are middle aged Christian moms who are sexually frustrated in their marriage. They have fantasies, but they would never dare going anywhere near these things, so they pack it into a "martyr virgin" archetype and then it's ok.
Like it’s so much more enjoyable when you know they trust each other. Like siggy shade is infamous for weird monster romance and cringy taglines, but also for the fact that the girl and lovecraftian horror will have an entire conversation about boundaries.
I’ve read fanfic on AO3 that are written better than anything booktok has to offer. i even signed up to a writers’ patreon just so I could read their WIP chapters thats how good it is. im shook wtf is happening are the straights ok??
@@jo.k.4210 lol its called Midnight Ocean by Konigsberg. the characters in the fanfic is from a video game called Hades by Supergiant games (the main pairing being Zagreus and Thanatos)! its loosely based on the Greek myth involving Eros and Psyche. currently has 74 chapters and over 400,000 words
Straights are okay expect the one being chronically online and indulging in these belive me starights fear these straights and these are mostly teen girls and few adults
I'm a bi guy, most of my straight relationships made me realize that there's a weird normalization and romanticization of very concerning acts. Don't get me wrong, it's fine to fantasize and do a scene with your partner, but this? Hell nah. I fear for the straights.
This is honestly no different than doing a scene with your partner. Just people exploring their fantasies in a safe space. I hope you realize that most people who read and write these things would never condone these behaviors in real life Learn to separate fiction from reality
Dark romance booktook stuff is such a good example of the way stuff like 50 shades of gray has absolutely destroyed the perception of kink. Now we have a bunch of cishet women that think not having safewords is sexy and go into a panic at the sight of a guy in a harness at pride
Ehhhh, it predates that series by some time. You read old Harlequin romance novels and those things can get about as twisted but lack the overt "BDSM" framing. That said, the semantic shift associated with mainstreaming the language of BDSM without embracing the actual ethos and understanding of consent and power dynamics is… troubling, given how it blurs the line between a pure fantasy of something which would objectively be horrible in reality and, y'know, something real which requires a lot of trust, communication and consideration.
Going to say this before I even start the video. I was a woman who couldn’t write men. I had a dude making dick jokes all the time because “it’s what guys do, yo,” thank goodness people told me how uncomfortable it made them and I stopped doing it.
In my opinion, whatever societal problem one gender has, rest assured the other has it too. This is one of the reasons gender roles(stereotypes and stuff) shouldn't exist anymore
I mean, that's less of a "writing men" issue and more a "realism doesn't necessarly translate well into fiction". I'll be honest, with friends I say an excessive amount of dick jokes. Like, a lot. It's funny to banter and say stupid shit "with the boys", and over time even some of our female friends have come to be part of that kind of humour. It's just a fun friends things, even if it's gross and stupid. But writing It? Yeah, hard pass..
In my opinion, write men like u write women, ppl r quite same in mentality. I used to write women really good but I couldn't write men. then i went on ao3 n read some ffs with most hits or kudos and general rating, it made me understand a bit abt writing women, men and other identities
@@zylieacaria4601 Respectfully, I disagree. As a writer myself, I used to do this, but the more men I hung around and talked with and listened to, I realized how different men behave and think than women. Men are problem solvers and doers, they don't like to sit around with their feelings for the most part. They love physical touch but have a hard time waking for it. Men want peace and for the most part don't like drama and avoid it. Men show affection through jokes and actions rather than words, they keep their pain to themselves and it's a special moment when they open up. This took a lot of listening and having guys read my stuff to find out. It's still difficult for me, a woman, to write a man as I don't have their lived experience, but it's become easier, and now I have more fun writing men than I do women.
@@shockwavecg you're the only comment I've read so far that even has any amount of attempted understanding of the mind of the opposite sex, so kudos to you for that sincerity! It's always nice to get a reprieve from all the weirdos trying to pretend that everyone's just the same inside.
Not gonna lie; a lot of the stuff that you talk about reminds me of your "gay romance written by a straight woman" video. These women just can't fucking write.
i constantly forget this side of booktok exists because mine is just the same 10 gay fantasy books and then every so often i get jumpscared by these in my feed…
@@mintfroggi506 six of crows, she who became the sun, gideon the ninth, the unbroken, the midnight lie, girls of paper and fire, the jasmine throne, the house in the cerulean sea
@@mintfroggi506 "The Magpie Lord" if you want a hot aristocrat and a wizard going up against evil forces in Victorian England while also having a lot of kinky sex.
I have a possessive/jealous kink... and these are just, yikes. I'm disgusted LMFAO, and in what reality are any of these scenarios attractive? They portray men in ways that no man in real life would act, ever, and define criminality and abusive tendencies as "romance". Major ick.
Um if a pap smear is the test I remember their fingers don't go in you? You have a weird plastic cone thing and then a super long cotton bud (Q tip for US I think?) And FYI if they say it's gonna be uncomfortable and you suffer with chronic pelvic pain it may genuinely hurt my lovely afabs, don't let it stop you getting one but be mentally prepared
oh yeah im a dude, but i've been told and can envision how uncomfortable that metal chair looks and how rough the plastic looks and that super long and huge cotton q tip, i bet it fucking sucks really badly and i have no idea how you would do that. Like unlike dudes which can cum without an orgasm because prostrate as far as i am aware, you cannot make a woman orgasm without a lot of prolonged arousal
Yeah they dont use their fingers, its a qtip type thing, and from what ive heard, for some ppl its completely fine but for others its very painful. It can be very hard mentally as well, esp for SA survivors. Before ppl get them they should consider that its (to my knowledge) ONLY for cancer and precancer detection. Do it bc you want to screen for cancer and you think its worth it, not bc some doctor is pressuring you to.
Yeah, and it scrapes against your cervix which is the type of thing you never want to experience. My mum had one done yesterday by somebody really inexperienced and I’ve had to go out and do the weekly shop cuz she can barely walk
There’s a pap smear and a pelvic exam. a pelvic sometimes involves finger(s) prodding around down there. It is pretty much the least sexy thing possible to have someone disinterestedly prodding your vulva while asking “do you feel any pain or discomfort” in a doctor voice though
I enjoy *some* darkfiction. While making the distinction that while some things might be hot in "fantasy land," they are completely awful and a huge no-no in real life. Some people can't make that distinction. That's where the problem comes from.
Yeah, some people have a kink for these kind of stuff. These are luckily fiction and therefore a good way to express the kinks. Though, I can't get the idea of these kinds of books being romantic. It's not romance it's more like stockholm syndrome.
@@augustswater7845 Exaactlyyyy. Like there's a difference between porn w romance elements, where everyone gets its just smthn for ppl to jack off to and not smthn that would be ok irl, and the kinds of romance stories where those lines are bulrred and end up romanticizing abuse.
I was expecting some bad men's anatomy, not tiktok kids fantasizing about rape and murder 😭 (+ these captions move so quick I wanna know what stuff they're on to be able to read that)
Tbh I think a lot of these borderline SA/actual SA fantasies coupled with abusive traits is written/read by traumatized women and girls. Doesn’t make it less gross but I do think that after a while if you learn that that’s what love is that’s what becomes attractive to you. It’s kinda sad
Some of them, certainly-I've known people who've used kinky fiction to process trauma and reclaim sexual agency through art, and I think it's way more common than people are comfortable admitting-but I also feel like this sort of analysis can backfire and inadvertently pathologise what's ultimately just some people with what under normal circumstances would be fairly harmless kinks who have taken some really bad cues from popular fiction and aren't stellar at getting across their fantasies and personal boundaries in fiction to begin with.
yeah definitely. when it comes to trauma, mental health and/or addictions, it's a more common thing (more than some people think) to try making those things "normal" to you, romanticize it, or sexualize those things for the sake of coping. it's yeah it's pretty sad. Honestly i totally relate to those people to some extent, since when i was younger it was more common for me to glorify my struggles. those coping mechanisms aren't really healthy, though a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms are normalized when it comes to certain online or irl spaces. Though i mean, i also kind of think that SA fantasies & rap3 fantasies & cnc kink (just throwing out here since i mean, cnc is basically you roleplaying non consensual actions that you fantasize about) don't always have to be a result of any trauma rooting from noncon experiences. It can be a combination of trauma and internalizing standards considered normal in society in a different way, or *just* simply the second thing. An example is rough sex, hitting, violent actions being normal in porn, so people internalize this standard and their brain takes it far enough to get rap3 fantasies, since rap3 is associated with violence and rough intercourse. also we can't deny it's pretty common to see porn stuff with questionable consent or no consent at all, so being exposed to that -- especially at a young age -- can influence you. another example is love interests (commonly men) in media disrespecting another character's (usually women) boundaries and its portrayed as something hot, respectable or good (especially good for the men's masculinity!), and people's brain just internalize those things and... well you know. there's also been some cases of women growing up with typical beliefs (ones rooted in religion) about sex being shameful and/or women acting sexual is shameful, and basically internalize that shame and, well you know. and i guess it's reasonable to say those fantasies can be rooted in witnessing misogyny in media, since some of the reasons i've just listed was objectification of women (I'd say it makes sense, since rap3 involves objectification) i agree that it doesn't really make it any less gross and off-putting. internalization, being influenced, having trauma, and being conditioned to certain things can give you tons of different results depending on the person. it just happens that some of those results can be, not that great, or unhealthy and simply sad/worrying.
I read dark romance, but I do it *because* I'll laugh my ass off. It's like watching a purposely bad movie. Of course the constant SA makes it really fucked to get through sometimes 😅
Psychological horror is so much more fun to read for when I am in the mood to read a dark and fucked up relationship. "Dark romance" Just fetishizes and sugarcoats toxicity
I choked on the implant thing. Literally choked. Had to wait a bit before continuing the video. It's clear that whoever wrote this, the DUI part, and the pap smear part have never gotten these procedures done because there is nothing sexy about them lmao
2:50 I’m almost 900% sure that pap smears are INSANELY painful. Like. They don’t just put their fingers in there. I’m not going to explain it but look it up at your own risk and it becomes very quickly evident that it’s not a pleasurable experience. And no, not even painful in a good way. Painful in a “honestly I’d rather risk getting cervical cancer” way.
I totally agree, I've read so many books and rolled my eyes so much. Men are always described as aggressive, confident and arrogant also rich. No real personality in any of these characters.
booktok is literally so funny because the caption is something like “ten novels i think everyone should read, these were life changing!!!” and then it’s always a bunch of white hetero enemies to “lovers” and 20% of it is colleen hoover also as an aspiring author myself, this does give me somewhat of a boost of confidence regarding my romance writing abilities
this is why ao3 is superior to books because if youre reading a rape breeding kink, at least it's tagged rape and breeding and everyone's aware. Edit: OMG yes on the killing stalking. I heard about it back when i was into yaoi, read the first chapter or soemthing and left horrified. I only googled years later to find out it's a thriller not a romance.
Yeah, killing stalking is an amazing thriller about abuse and violence. The fact that a whole Fandom formed that thought it was a romance is concerning...
I've fantasized about the worst things you can think of. I think where there's an actual issue - aside from quality here - is that the Romance genre (and corn as well) became intertwined with violence to a point where non-con and dubious con are just part of the deal. When something is put everywhere, it becomes the thruth. None of this shit was ever meant to be the truth. It was meant to be a fantasy. It should be called fantasized abuse. That way things are called what they are and the line is less blurred between what can be a fun fantasy vs what's meant to be realistic or emulated. (Also, why those things are fun as fantasy is not that they would be fun for real as much as you don't have to take the bad. Like, in a fantasy, I can decide someone is saying no because they're shy and enjoyed themselves the whole time. Or that as much as they are begging and crying, magically, after it's done, they're okay. And it works because it's a fantasy. IRL, even when something is physically pleasant, it will traumatize you to have your consent violated. And I cannot just rape people and decide they're okay. For a similar reason, when I was younger, I used to fantasize about being abused because I was new to adulthood and felt overwhelm. So imagining someone controlling me was cathartic. Had anything actually happened I would probably be traumatized.
I'm personally not concerned about readers of adult-only fiction thinking rape is great because they read it in a romance book, but I do think it's important for the conversations around consent, abuse, boundaries, etc. to be even more prevalent than dark romance and for constructive criticism of the genre to be a thing just in case younger/less educated readers do get skewed ideas about IRL relationships. I would also love it if there was a different name for dark "romance." Right now, censorship is a big issue there. The term "dark romance" is kind of a trojan horse so authors can make a living off of these books and help readers who want dark fantasies find them in the format they prefer (Kindle Unlimited, e-books, etc.). Like with sex work, I think not allowing books featuring dark fantasies on major retailers causes more problems than they fix.
Honestly, this goes beyond “sometimes women can’t write men either” bc these women can’t seem to write women. It just turns out absolutely nobody is capable of writing women
So this isn't romance, but there are authors that I've really enjoyed for the representation of men Ursula K LeGuin writes men very well; Better than most men. The dispossessed, the left hand of darkness, The word for world is forest. All three books do an excellent job of showing different male characters The Sparrow, by Mary Doria Russell Also good writing of men, but an extremely upsetting book Also, Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky is the only good book about men's rights activism. For a man that writes men well, think you're probably stuck with Unseen Academicals by Terry Pratchett
I was surprised at how much I loved Ged in the Earthsea series, especially in books 2 and 4 when Tenar’s the perspective character. He maintains his dimension and integrity as a character, even when seen from the perspective of his eventual love interest.
Being ace makes this so much more confusing because I think all of it is silly, but how silly is socially acceptable by the allos (specifically cishet because y'all confuse me)? I think I can tell more now at least so thank you
I think on average people are a lot kinkier than they tend to admit, and when filtered through all the weirdness which surrounds gender expectations as a cishet person of a certain type, I think what comes out the other end can be… very interesting if you're either queer (ace/aro folks included) or just are lucky enough not to have that particular species of brainworms.
almost all critisism of these books wouldn't apply if the authors just framed it in the context of consentual kinky relationships doing scenes with good BDSM etiquette, but no, they have to write it like it's real and creepy.
In case you're concerned, dark romance readers know that what's going on isn't okay Irl. They know it's r*pe. The nonconsent is the kink. Dark romance is different from BDSM romance even if it contains things that are common in BDSM. In dark romance, the nonconsent and breaking of boundaries is the kink. Many people have forced s*x and other dark fantasies but would never want anything of the sort to happen to them in real life. I suppose you could argue that women shouldn't get turned on by dark fantasies (although such insinuations are pointless) but the research says that these are common fantasies that don't seem to translate to women wanting abusive relationships irl or anything. Just a safe way to explore the dark corners of one's s*xual and romantic imagination. I can see why someone who doesn't have a dark imagination would think it's unhealthy, though
i write romance on ao3, typically RIVALS to lovers. enemies to lovers is weird to me and can get abusive really fast. my favorite example is the idea of wrightworth (ace attorney) vs something like these books. in the example of wrightworth, theyre opposing councils in multiple court cases, and are rivals but have a mutual respect, eventually becoming friends. whereas in these books it's something closer to perpetrator and victim. an "enemies to lovers" story needs to have mutual respect, at least in my opinion. you can hate someone and still respect them
The worst romance book I read was called, “Wind Daughter” by Joanna Ruth Meyer. The main love interest constantly verbally abused the main character (mc was female) and even kissed her without consent. The worst part is the antagonist was a boy who told the m.c. to believe in herself and built her up. In the end the author states through her weird world building that the m.c. was at fault for the toxic love interest’s behavior (all of his actions) and the kind boy was evil for telling her to trust herself. The m.c. got together with the p.o.s love interest. Worst book I’ve ever read.
A [straight] friend of mine read killing stalking and insisted it was romance, I just felt a bit disgusted and disagreed. Also my straight ex once tried to choke me out of nowhere? And tried to make it into a kinky thing while I was literally like, wtf. You’re aware of the fact that I’m not breathing rn, are you…? Every day I have one more reason to look back and be like, I’m afraid of straight people. Not just men anymore. Like, what in the normalization of murderous acts. And what in the realization of trauma after watching this video. Oh my God. What.
People reading Killing Stalking and insisting it's a romance is frustrating because Killing Stalking is so interesting as a horror and a thriller. It's a horrifying and toxic situation that's made compelling by the two character's psychology, and people choose to ignore all of that in favor of romance. It gave Killing Stalking a bad name.
Hey, don't let this dictate what you think about straight people. They aren't an entire race of people, they're just people with a preference for others (like literally everyone else unless you're aromantic or aroace). There's awful people who are straight, but the same goes for people who are bi/gay/pan/etc. The person who did that to you deserves to be locked up honestly, and your friend is... eugh.
people that insist so bad that the cycle of ab7se that happens in Killing Stalking is ""romance"" are the ones that try so hard to minimize the ab8se that the main character suffers so they can fantasize about the ""relationship""(which in reality is a kidnapping situation) and call it romance, its honestly disgusting.
@@nl-ho4wm It's honestly really confusing to me, because it really shows the length people will go to make everything romance. There's a lot of sexual assault in Killing Stalking but because it's sexual people will take out the assault part. There are twisted depictions and abusive plays on typical romantic relationship stuff, but people go crazy at the idea of romance so they choose to ignore the abuse. It's also really odd because it feels like they just want Killing Stalking to be less dark than it is by ignoring all the dark parts. These people didn't want to read a horror/thriller, they wanted to read a romance, but instead of reading an actual romance they just twist the story and characters until it becomes a shallow and radioactively toxic husk just barely resembling a romance.
@@augustswater7845 Actually someone who romanticized it said something like it was hard to see is as ab5se because it had s8xual parts and im like wtf is SA is obvious that there will be a s9xual theme its like for them it has to be pure violence for it to qualify as SA if not then its not ab8se and that says a lot about what they think about s7xual assault, even with that disgusting mindset there are scenes in KS were the SA is pure violence but that person conveniently forgot that. I highly doubt that this is because they want KS to be less dark, the author had put hints in the story that the main character could survive and recover to make the ending ambiguous and when she confirmed in her twitter that the fate of the main character is up to interpretation, she got hated on by these people because they wanted the main character to "unalive" (i cant put the real word here) himself so he could be with his ab8ser in death. It seems like they are superficial and entitled, superficial because if the ab7ser was ugly they would not be calling this a romance and entitled because they wanted to read a romance, instead of accepting it was not because of the amount of ab6se they doubled down on it twisting the story in the process, expecting that the author would comply with their views and when the author did not do that and put an open ending they lashed out.
The bad thing here isn't even the genre and the writing or whatever, it's the obsession with tropes. If you can only communicate through tropes and archetypes, you aren't even writing based on real people. You are writing based on the fictionalized perception of people. You aren't writing characters meant to be people, you are writing stuff that's completely unrelated from how people are and exist. Even the most absurd and exaggerated action stuff still has a grounding in reality if it wants to be talent seriously.
Lmfao it's insane. Tropes matter but I'm not gonna be too obsessed with it for now until I'm done with my draft so I can my characters less one dimensional..
As a vulva bearer I’m gonna just confirm that there is nothing erotic about a Pap smear. Even if I wanted to be turned out, I’m telling you. It doesn’t feel sensual in any way. I don’t know if they make the speculums out of whatever the opposite of aphrodisiac is. But then again, some people get off on body waxing so.
9:16 this is fucking hilarious😭”he burns her house down” while this random ass video is playing in the background💀💀these “stories” would be so fucking funny in a comedy like always sunny in Philadelphia
At some point in school I was asked to write an essay about if we should start putting ratings on books. I think we should not for age but content because you never know what youre gonna stumble on out there lol
2:20 okay but can we talk about how this is literally like how male writers sexualize and objectify women? She shows a women in her place but only a hand thats showing off veins in the man's place 💀
So I'll start off by saying that BookTok is, indeed, a cesspool filled with recommendations for over-the-top, terribly written books that I personally find repulsive as romances. I also think some of them would be better suited to a category like "erotic thriller" or "erotic horror." Part of the problem is censorship. "Dark romance" is a safe little code word for books full of stuff Amazon doesn't allow, so authors and readers hide under romance to get their fix. But in case you're concerned, dark romance readers know that what's going on isn't okay IRL. They know it's rape. The nonconsent is the kink. Dark romance is very different from BDSM romance even if it contains sexual acts common in BDSM, like choking, spanking, bondage, etc. Totally fair to criticize Fifty Shades, which was supposed to be a BDSM romance, but, again, in dark romance, the nonconsent and breaking of boundaries is the kink. Also, if you think breeding kink is about monogamy and starting a nuclear family, you know nothing about breeding kink, LMAO! A lot of dark romance readers want the monogamy and fidelity, but breeding as a kink extends waaaay beyond romance. Also also, I'd say breeding kink is probably more commonly tied to nonconsent than to enthusiastic consent. Part of the fantasy often has to do with throwing away all reason and decency and just letting impulses drive you. Rape kink and breeding kink are like chocolate and freaking peanut butter, so saying it's no longer a breeding kink because there's nonconsent makes no sense. And speaking of breeding... yeah, lactation kink is a thing. And yeah, some men have it, so I wouldn't call it an unrealistic depiction of a man. I've never given birth, so I can't speak to whether or not women feel sexual arousal however long after giving birth that was, but I wouldn't think it's that rare? And I suppose you could argue that women shouldn't get turned on by dark fantasies (though such insinuations are pointless), but the research says these are common fantasies (as you can tell by the wild popularity of these books) that don't seem to translate to women wanting abusive relationships or anything. Just a safe way to explore the dark corners of one's sexual and "romantic" imagination. I can see why someone who doesn't have a dark imagination would think it's unhealthy, though. Also, I don't know why either sex gets so hung up on the other not being able to write women/men. Men writing fantasies for men don't give AF about writing realistic women. That's not what their readers want. Ditto for women writing men. These are escapist fantasies.
Thank you so much for saying this. I have seen way too many people dunking on dark romance stuff without really understanding the culture surrounding it and it's genuinely so frustrating
@@Morimori67io Thanks for showing your appreciation! It was so frustrating to see so many people speaking out against dark romance from a place of complete ignorance. I hoped at least a few people would see my response and learn something.
Reminds me of some asmr roleplays i woke up to. I start with something relaxing, and then suddenly autoplay takes me to something with a plot mostly consisting of kidnapping, murder or other yandere stuff
I've gone to the gynaecologist a few times before and on none of those occasions did i feel the slightest hint of arousal, because as you said, there is nothing remotely sexy about having to watch a complete stranger probe your genitals. Now I do sometimes like to fantasize about it being a sexy situation, dark "romance" style, but that's something I would never write into any of my actual books. I mostly keep it to myself and maybe occasionally fanfiction sites, but I think there's an important distinction to be made between finding morally questionable hypothetical situations arousing and finding any sort of genuine romance in them. I think as long as the difference between FANTASY and genuine desire for it to happen in real life is made clear, we should let people explore these kinds of scenarios without being so harsh on them. I don't have tiktok so I have no idea to which extent these women are glorifying abuse and to which extent they are just having fun with the things they like to think about while blasting rope, but great video nevertheless! It's always fun to watch you complain about what people on tiktok are doing, that way I spare myself from actually having to download it
I'm a feminist and I think that the "new" female characters WRITTEN BY WOMEN are, most of the time, even worse than the "women written by men" characters. Also the whole Twilight/Shades of whatever/After saga thing? The worst male characters ever written in the history of literature.
Fan fiction is so so beautiful because some are you reading the most amazingly written story with more depth and suspense in it then any published book you’ve ever read before, and some are a fix about a cartoon character getting high on cow milk and hallucinating there crush as satan
I had gotten a book from booktok from a friend, I read like a quarter of it and I had to put it away with how concerning it got, it's still on my bookshelf catching dust.
watching stuff like this is always hilarious in a “god this is so fucked up and im sad the world is like this” kinda way yknow banger video nick slayyyyy
Can confirm as someone that had a pap smear as a virgin, it was not sexy or fun. Had to keep being told to stop clenching but ya can’t really blame me when I felt like I was being violated due to how asexual I am.
Who needs romance books when you have play by post DND servers? You’d be surprised at how well two people who share strictly platonic feelings with each other romance rp their characters. It’s like watching a play; reading a book and seeing Lady Whistledown esque town gossip unfold in real time and it’s so much more thrilling than any romance book on this earth.
As an AFAB person with an IUD... no, literally nobody on this planet every even found a smear test/ pap smear even a little bit sexy let alone 'gonna orgasm on this speculum' sexy (also interesting that that person said fingers instead of speculum... i am not convinced that author was AFAB tbh) and every last one of us who has an IUD crossed our legs and winced as if we'd just been kicked in the balls at the idea of it being taken out.
As long as the people are equal in power and have some mutual respect, it should work. Maybe there is some "they were told to be enemies but they slowly find out they are not so different and bond over something"
I don't read the unrealistic shiz... If I'm reading a dark.fict. It needs to be appropriately reacting to the actual bad things. Otherwise, it's poorly written and it makes me angry. *_Unless I'm reading it BECAUSE I know it's supposed to be bad that way and I want to "watch the train wreck"... which I admit, I will do._*
I don’t understand why they like to glamorize toxic and abusive men so much it’s like so common to the point that it spreads to BL (gay fiction mostly written by straight women) and it’s just awful reading only just the premise and like the fm prog is getting hit like what
In case you're concerned, dark romance readers know that what's going on isn't okay Irl. They know it's r*pe. The nonconsent is the kink. Dark romance is different from BDSM romance even if it contains things that are common in BDSM. In dark romance, the nonconsent and breaking of boundaries is the kink. Many people have forced s*x and other dark fantasies but would never want anything of the sort to happen to them in real life. I suppose you could argue that women shouldn't get turned on by dark fantasies (although such insinuations are pointless) but the research says that these are common fantasies that don't seem to translate to women wanting abusive relationships irl or anything. Just a safe way to explore the dark corners of one's s*xual and romantic imagination. I can see why someone who doesn't have a dark imagination would think it's unhealthy, thoughIn case you're concerned, dark romance readers know that what's going on isn't okay Irl. They know it's r*pe. The nonconsent is the kink. Dark romance is different from BDSM romance even if it contains things that are common in BDSM. In dark romance, the nonconsent and breaking of boundaries is the kink. Many people have forced s*x and other dark fantasies but would never want anything of the sort to happen to them in real life. I suppose you could argue that women shouldn't get turned on by dark fantasies (although such insinuations are pointless) but the research says that these are common fantasies that don't seem to translate to women wanting abusive relationships irl or anything. Just a safe way to explore the dark corners of one's s*xual and romantic imagination. I can see why someone who doesn't have a dark imagination would think it's unhealthy, though
@@LuckerStomp According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyway because bees don't care what humans think is impossible. Yellow, black. Yellow, black. Yellow, black. Yellow, black. Ooh, black and yellow! Let's shake it up a little. Barry! Breakfast is ready! Coming! Hang on a second. Hello? - Barry? - Adam? - Can you believe this is happening? - I can't. I'll pick you up. Looking sharp. Use the stairs. Your father paid good money for those. Sorry. I'm excited. Here's the graduate. We're very proud of you, son. A perfect report card, all B's. Very proud. Ma! I got a thing going here. - You got lint on your fuzz. - Ow! That's me! - Wave to us! We'll be in row 118,000. - Bye! Barry, I told you, stop flying in the house! - Hey, Adam. - Hey, Barry. - Is that fuzz gel? - A little. Special day, graduation. Never thought I'd make it. Three days grade school, three days high school. Those were awkward. Three days college. I'm glad I took a day and hitchhiked around the hive. You did come back different. - Hi, Barry. - Artie, growing a mustache? Looks good. - Hear about Frankie? - Yeah. - You going to the funeral? - No, I'm not going. Everybody knows, sting someone, you die. Don't waste it on a squirrel. Such a hothead. I guess he could have just gotten out of the way. I love this incorporating an amusement park into our day. That's why we don't need vacations. Boy, quite a bit of pomp... under the circumstances. - Well, Adam, today we are men. - We are! - Bee-men. - Amen! Hallelujah! Students, faculty, distinguished bees, please welcome Dean Buzzwell. Welcome, New Hive City graduating class of... ...9:15. That concludes our ceremonies. And begins your career at Honex Industries! Will we pick our job today? I heard it's just orientation. Heads up! Here we go. Keep your hands and antennas inside the tram at all times. - Wonder what it'll be like? - A little scary. Welcome to Honex, a division of Honesco and a part of the Hexagon Group. This is it! Wow. Wow. We know that you, as a bee, have worked your whole life to get to the point where you can work for your whole life. Honey begins when our valiant Pollen Jocks bring the nectar to the hive. Our top-secret formula is automatically color-corrected, scent-adjusted and bubble-contoured into this soothing sweet syrup with its distinctive golden glow you know as... Honey! - That girl was hot. - She's my cousin! - She is? - Yes, we're all cousins. - Right. You're right. - At Honex, we constantly strive to improve every aspect of bee existence. These bees are stress-testing a new helmet technology. - What do you think he makes? - Not enough. Here we have our latest advancement, the Krelman. - What does that do? - Catches that little strand of honey that hangs after you pour it. Saves us millions. Can anyone work on the Krelman? Of course. Most bee jobs are small ones. But bees know that every small job, if it's done well, means a lot. But choose carefully because you'll stay in the job you pick for the rest of your life. The same job the rest of your life? I didn't know that. What's the difference? You'll be happy to know that bees, as a species, haven't had one day off in 27 million years. So you'll just work us to death? We'll sure try. Wow! That blew my mind! "What's the difference?" How can you say that? One job forever? That's an insane choice to have to make. I'm relieved. Now we only have to make one decision in life. But, Adam, how could they never have told us that? Why would you question anything? We're bees. We're the most perfectly functioning society on Earth. You ever think maybe things work a little too well here? Like what? Give me one example. I don't know. But you know what I'm talking about. Please clear the gate. Royal Nectar Force on approach. Wait a second. Check it out. - Hey, those are Pollen Jocks! - Wow. I've never seen them this close. They know what it's like outside the hive. Yeah, but some don't come back. - Hey, Jocks! - Hi, Jocks! You guys did great! You're monsters! You're sky freaks! I love it! I love it! - I wonder where they were. - I don't know. Their day's not planned. Outside the hive, flying who knows where, doing who knows what. You can't just decide to be a Pollen Jock. You have to be bred for that. Right. Look. That's more pollen than you and I will see in a lifetime. It's just a status symbol. Bees make too much of it. Perhaps. Unless you're wearing it and the ladies see you wearing it.
I read lot of romance books made by women and for women; and by far in my experiences women are worse in writing men than otherwise... Like in many of these the guys are horrible people, or toys for the girl to play with, they don't have a life of their own besides just being there for the girl, their past and struggles are not explored, and even the way their sexuality is portrayed is quite disgusting; with being either p3d0s, r4p1sts, etc, etc. And the narrative almost NEVER calls that out, at least when guys make these books all the characters are bad written and it often times portrays their actions as questionable and or even wrong, but when it is otherwise it is for whatever reason glamorized. Also, women tend to like to make men suffer in their narratives too, like killing their own daughters or losing a spouse because of immortality yada yada; not saying that this doesn't happen with women, but as a person that has read a LOT of books written by women and some by men, I gotta say the portrayal of women in the mens side is more romanticized, cherished, and even implies that there are more things that meets the eye, and all the characters are trimendisional or a big majority of them, at least (talking about writers like Poe and Machado de Assis, Shakeaspere, these guys, per example), while in women cases the men is either crap, or a really nice guy that you can actually want to sucede, going to extremes like books like Jane Austen per example were the characters all have their own things going own and there are good and bad people, again, tridimensional characters, and books like Somebody Possessed my Body, where she ends up (MC) with her brothers and father (adoptive, but still), if you get what I mean... I am not saying that writing something bad or good as anything to do with gender, but people, mostly women tend to pretend or ignore that their writing isn't better than men in any regards and sometimes it can be even worse if we analyse it as a whole with things like Captain Marvel or She Hulk per example; in my opinion what defines good writing is just if a person writes good or bad, simple as that. I am so sick of this joke; at least if people are gonna make fun of men writing women, they should talk about how horribly men are written, especially in romances (modern 2000-20's) by women; like seriously guys look it up, it's TERRIBLE, like SUPER GROSS! Great video, explore more of the women writing men side, please.
5:38 as someone who JUST RECENTLY got one (replaced after the old one), I FEEL DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE… FYM “scraping against it” HWAAEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW EWIE EWIEEEEEEEEE EEWWWWW😭😭😭
Knowing about books like these make me concerned for a story I’m going to try to write sometime down the line, and what I really mean by that is that I’m scared possible readers might like the AWFUL protagonist I have planned. Basically, he’s a 19YO king who’s deeply obsessed with his 16YO sister, and he makes a contract with a demon to try and make her fall in love with him. She has no idea what’s going on, and he’s just forcing her to spend time with him after doing some pretty bad things. The demon he makes the deal with is also very concerned and hates everything.
“Hey, I’m going to Applebee’s-“
“WHO IS APPLEBEE”
But now I'm imagining a "But who was phone!?" scenario 😂
IM CRYING
Every time my girlfriend talks about going to Michael's I am now going to very dramatically ask "who the fuck is Michael?"
LMFAO
Omg😂
Micheal afton
_MICHAEL DON'T LEAVE ME HERE_
@@TheReal3177 the only right answer.
Siggy Shade is like the opposite of most of these. Like the premise sounds so fucking weird then the tentacle monster and the main girl have an entire conversation about consent and boundaries. Theres a scale on booktok and honestly I’ll take the consentacles over dubious mafia fantasy any day
That sounds shockingly chill.
CONSENTACLES 😭
First time I’ve heard of consent in tentacle porn, good for them
@@NicholasBlackoh yeah it’s like an entire real term. I didn’t make it up
Oh? Where can I read that?
CONSENTACLES
het booktok is such an experience. somebody’s keeping a list of absolutely batshit books that get spread around as amazing on there and it’s…. so much
Colleen Hoover moment
@@NicholasBlack I love Colleen slander in all settings 💕
Ive seen the batshit books list. It is an experience seeing how many there are
The only good Booktok book I’ve ever heard of is The Song of Achilles. Basically else is laughably bad 😭😭
@@RaysNewestLow Fr that’s the only booktok book that I’ve ever spent my money on, and it will probably stay that way💀
I think enemies to lovers implies a certain level of equal power. like it's a hero and a villain or a similar situation. like they hated each other before they're ever put into a situation where they're forced together. if they're enemies BECAUSE one of them was kidnapped by the other, I don't think it really counts.
yeah that's not enemies that's victim and perpetrator
I have to disagree, enemies are still enemies and I actually like enemies to lovers with power dynamics included. Obviously I am speaking about a fiction trope but I do think because power imbalance is such a common kink, more hard-core enemies to lovers stories, while not for everyone do have their place.
Like, my flavour of enemies to lovers is shipping a tragic rebel hero with the evil overlord of their setting
@@lorieslori8051 I never said power dynamics were bad or anything like that, and yeah they can be included in enemies to lovers, but I guess what I really meant is they have their own motives or morals that clash, and that's what makes them enemies. I think by equal power I meant they were opposing forces towards opposite goals, not that they were literally equally as powerful as each other. Which is why I think if it's the situation from the video where an unsuspecting girl gets kidnapped and that's why she hates her "enemy" then I don't really feel like it counts. Her goal before that didn't clash with his goal, which is what I feel makes it count as enemies to lovers. You could easily fix this to make it fit the trope, like say her goal is to improve the local library, but his goal is to close the library down, so they hate each other, THEN he kidnaps her, I feel like this story fits better. But it is just my opinion, idk.
The Power Dynamic is the least of the problems with this topic.
When you can reduce your main narrative element to a single specific trope, and you wanted this from the start, 99% of the time your resulting will be trash
yeah its not enemies at that point, its villain and victim
The only thing that would make Tik Tok tolerable would be a dislike button.
A VISIBLE dislike button where we can see the amount of people that also hated it😭
Instagram doesn’t have a dislike button.
*Twitter* doesn’t have a dislike button.
*UA-cam* doesn’t have a dislike button.
@@prod.kilvkrxcksxlvd8183 UA-cam does if you use Firefox
@@prod.kilvkrxcksxlvd8183 UA-cam used to, and them removing it is one of the most criticized changes in the platform's history
@@smokugoku youtube removed theirs
As a cis straight woman, this shit concerns me 💀
As another CSW I agree
You mean just a straight woman?
Yeah im afraid i'll fantasize unrealistic romantic relationship
Same
@@Zara123-x8q nah man cis describes gender not sexual orientation, a gay man can be cis. I would know, I've been called cis in a negative connotation because I was deemed not queer enough by someone
That "Michaels" shit really is top tier comedy, and I will have it at the back of my mind for AT LEAST a week, giggling under my breath like an old hag at a witch trial
" like an old hag at a witch trial " lmao I love that
I absolutely cannot get over "you like monogamy? You like the nuclear family? Get a real kink."
I don't think that booktok women can't write men, I think they can't write at all
Anyone with an actual choking kink knows that there's a specific way to hold someone's neck so they can still breathe and aren't being hurt. Just goes to show that the people who write shit like this know absolutely nothing about kink and have never interacted with the community in any capacity. Safety and boundaries are like the first things that get brought up there. I'm guessing these people (authors?) think it's somehow sexier to ignore safety and concent but like... that's just abuse now. And mind you, noncon is a kink too, but that particular one probably has the most "we don't condone x in real life" disclaimers out of every community I've seen. I think these people just straight up don't know how to write kink.
Strangulation, choking is when someone is inside your throat. Saying choking is downplaying it
"Just goes to show that the people who write shit like this know absolutely nothing about kink and have never interacted with the community in any capacity."
Probably because a lot of these authors are middle aged Christian moms who are sexually frustrated in their marriage. They have fantasies, but they would never dare going anywhere near these things, so they pack it into a "martyr virgin" archetype and then it's ok.
Like it’s so much more enjoyable when you know they trust each other. Like siggy shade is infamous for weird monster romance and cringy taglines, but also for the fact that the girl and lovecraftian horror will have an entire conversation about boundaries.
@@annenonimus6709 no one says strangulation dude
I’ve read fanfic on AO3 that are written better than anything booktok has to offer. i even signed up to a writers’ patreon just so I could read their WIP chapters thats how good it is. im shook wtf is happening are the straights ok??
omg which writer?! i need the juicy detailsss
@@jo.k.4210 lol its called Midnight Ocean by Konigsberg. the characters in the fanfic is from a video game called Hades by Supergiant games (the main pairing being Zagreus and Thanatos)! its loosely based on the Greek myth involving Eros and Psyche. currently has 74 chapters and over 400,000 words
Me and my found family Kpop group fics like
Straights are okay expect the one being chronically online and indulging in these belive me starights fear these straights and these are mostly teen girls and few adults
We the straights were never ok. What makes you question that?
5:34 "get a real kink" fucking SENT me
smh it's not vanilla if you're breeding guys.....😔😔😔
@@zenzenulous2243 well I suppose mpreg isn't quite vanilla
Unless they're a pre-op trans guy or smthn
@@SpecialInterestShow I mean????? you’re still breeding a guy. being pre-op doesn’t chage a damn thing
Again, it's cultural appropriation from the furry fandom.
@@ConvincingPeople what is? Breeding? How? Lmao
I'm a bi guy, most of my straight relationships made me realize that there's a weird normalization and romanticization of very concerning acts. Don't get me wrong, it's fine to fantasize and do a scene with your partner, but this? Hell nah.
I fear for the straights.
Please save us
its commum toxic culture being romanticized
This is honestly no different than doing a scene with your partner. Just people exploring their fantasies in a safe space. I hope you realize that most people who read and write these things would never condone these behaviors in real life
Learn to separate fiction from reality
Dark romance booktook stuff is such a good example of the way stuff like 50 shades of gray has absolutely destroyed the perception of kink. Now we have a bunch of cishet women that think not having safewords is sexy and go into a panic at the sight of a guy in a harness at pride
Ehhhh, it predates that series by some time. You read old Harlequin romance novels and those things can get about as twisted but lack the overt "BDSM" framing. That said, the semantic shift associated with mainstreaming the language of BDSM without embracing the actual ethos and understanding of consent and power dynamics is… troubling, given how it blurs the line between a pure fantasy of something which would objectively be horrible in reality and, y'know, something real which requires a lot of trust, communication and consideration.
Oof I felt this one down to my kinky little soul. D:
The problematic Wattpad disease
Fifty shades is nothing compared to Natasha Knight and A.Zavarelli stories.
@@johndoe2399 cishet is a neutral descriptor, just like blonde or short
this is litterally me after going to michaels
going to WHO????????
Who the FUCK is Michael???
Going to say this before I even start the video. I was a woman who couldn’t write men. I had a dude making dick jokes all the time because “it’s what guys do, yo,” thank goodness people told me how uncomfortable it made them and I stopped doing it.
In my opinion, whatever societal problem one gender has, rest assured the other has it too. This is one of the reasons gender roles(stereotypes and stuff) shouldn't exist anymore
I mean, that's less of a "writing men" issue and more a "realism doesn't necessarly translate well into fiction".
I'll be honest, with friends I say an excessive amount of dick jokes. Like, a lot. It's funny to banter and say stupid shit "with the boys", and over time even some of our female friends have come to be part of that kind of humour. It's just a fun friends things, even if it's gross and stupid.
But writing It? Yeah, hard pass..
In my opinion, write men like u write women, ppl r quite same in mentality. I used to write women really good but I couldn't write men. then i went on ao3 n read some ffs with most hits or kudos and general rating, it made me understand a bit abt writing women, men and other identities
@@zylieacaria4601 Respectfully, I disagree. As a writer myself, I used to do this, but the more men I hung around and talked with and listened to, I realized how different men behave and think than women. Men are problem solvers and doers, they don't like to sit around with their feelings for the most part. They love physical touch but have a hard time waking for it. Men want peace and for the most part don't like drama and avoid it. Men show affection through jokes and actions rather than words, they keep their pain to themselves and it's a special moment when they open up. This took a lot of listening and having guys read my stuff to find out. It's still difficult for me, a woman, to write a man as I don't have their lived experience, but it's become easier, and now I have more fun writing men than I do women.
@@shockwavecg you're the only comment I've read so far that even has any amount of attempted understanding of the mind of the opposite sex, so kudos to you for that sincerity! It's always nice to get a reprieve from all the weirdos trying to pretend that everyone's just the same inside.
Not gonna lie; a lot of the stuff that you talk about reminds me of your "gay romance written by a straight woman" video.
These women just can't fucking write.
i constantly forget this side of booktok exists because mine is just the same 10 gay fantasy books and then every so often i get jumpscared by these in my feed…
can you drop the names of the gay fantasy books? i need some recs lol
@@mintfroggi506 She Who Became the Sun is my personal favorite
@@mintfroggi506 six of crows, she who became the sun, gideon the ninth, the unbroken, the midnight lie, girls of paper and fire, the jasmine throne, the house in the cerulean sea
@@mintfroggi506 i could keep going lol! there are tons out there you just have to know where to look :)
@@mintfroggi506 "The Magpie Lord" if you want a hot aristocrat and a wizard going up against evil forces in Victorian England while also having a lot of kinky sex.
I have a possessive/jealous kink... and these are just, yikes. I'm disgusted LMFAO, and in what reality are any of these scenarios attractive? They portray men in ways that no man in real life would act, ever, and define criminality and abusive tendencies as "romance". Major ick.
Unrelated but I love that you have a “Good UA-camr Apology” playlist it’s so funny to me I’m sorry
Who cares 😭
@@ohgodohgodhelp6152 I don't know if this is sarcasm but I'd argue my asmr playlists are better.
@@chuusenberg519 Clearly you do, babes.
@@rileysjonger4192 dngaf 🤦
A moment of silence for all the arts and crafts dudes out there who can no longer go to Micheals. Your sacrifice will not be in vain.
Um if a pap smear is the test I remember their fingers don't go in you? You have a weird plastic cone thing and then a super long cotton bud (Q tip for US I think?)
And FYI if they say it's gonna be uncomfortable and you suffer with chronic pelvic pain it may genuinely hurt my lovely afabs, don't let it stop you getting one but be mentally prepared
😊😊
oh yeah im a dude, but i've been told and can envision how uncomfortable that metal chair looks and how rough the plastic looks and that super long and huge cotton q tip, i bet it fucking sucks really badly and i have no idea how you would do that. Like unlike dudes which can cum without an orgasm because prostrate as far as i am aware, you cannot make a woman orgasm without a lot of prolonged arousal
Yeah they dont use their fingers, its a qtip type thing, and from what ive heard, for some ppl its completely fine but for others its very painful. It can be very hard mentally as well, esp for SA survivors.
Before ppl get them they should consider that its (to my knowledge) ONLY for cancer and precancer detection. Do it bc you want to screen for cancer and you think its worth it, not bc some doctor is pressuring you to.
Yeah, and it scrapes against your cervix which is the type of thing you never want to experience. My mum had one done yesterday by somebody really inexperienced and I’ve had to go out and do the weekly shop cuz she can barely walk
There’s a pap smear and a pelvic exam. a pelvic sometimes involves finger(s) prodding around down there. It is pretty much the least sexy thing possible to have someone disinterestedly prodding your vulva while asking “do you feel any pain or discomfort” in a doctor voice though
I enjoy *some* darkfiction. While making the distinction that while some things might be hot in "fantasy land," they are completely awful and a huge no-no in real life. Some people can't make that distinction. That's where the problem comes from.
Yeah, some people have a kink for these kind of stuff. These are luckily fiction and therefore a good way to express the kinks. Though, I can't get the idea of these kinds of books being romantic. It's not romance it's more like stockholm syndrome.
THIS
@@augustswater7845 Exaactlyyyy. Like there's a difference between porn w romance elements, where everyone gets its just smthn for ppl to jack off to and not smthn that would be ok irl, and the kinds of romance stories where those lines are bulrred and end up romanticizing abuse.
Exactly and there is something bigger wrong with someone if they can’t make the distinction (unless they are a little kid)
Who the hell do u know isn’t distinguishing it? Are you reading with criminals 🙄
sometimes, kink shaming is okay
Damn right!
First it was Deviantart, now this!
kink shaming *is* my kink
@@Seremor108period as it should be
@@Seremor108 *_AAAAAAGH-_*
2:53 This tiktok proves that some women can't write women either
I was expecting some bad men's anatomy, not tiktok kids fantasizing about rape and murder 😭
(+ these captions move so quick I wanna know what stuff they're on to be able to read that)
Yepy two hours staying hard or at least getting up right after the O again, the classic "all night" stuff
As an erotic horror fan, I think erotic horror has a place. I wish people would stop being so fucking weird about it though
Tbh I think a lot of these borderline SA/actual SA fantasies coupled with abusive traits is written/read by traumatized women and girls. Doesn’t make it less gross but I do think that after a while if you learn that that’s what love is that’s what becomes attractive to you. It’s kinda sad
Some of them, certainly-I've known people who've used kinky fiction to process trauma and reclaim sexual agency through art, and I think it's way more common than people are comfortable admitting-but I also feel like this sort of analysis can backfire and inadvertently pathologise what's ultimately just some people with what under normal circumstances would be fairly harmless kinks who have taken some really bad cues from popular fiction and aren't stellar at getting across their fantasies and personal boundaries in fiction to begin with.
yeah definitely. when it comes to trauma, mental health and/or addictions, it's a more common thing (more than some people think) to try making those things "normal" to you, romanticize it, or sexualize those things for the sake of coping. it's yeah it's pretty sad. Honestly i totally relate to those people to some extent, since when i was younger it was more common for me to glorify my struggles. those coping mechanisms aren't really healthy, though a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms are normalized when it comes to certain online or irl spaces.
Though i mean, i also kind of think that SA fantasies & rap3 fantasies & cnc kink (just throwing out here since i mean, cnc is basically you roleplaying non consensual actions that you fantasize about) don't always have to be a result of any trauma rooting from noncon experiences. It can be a combination of trauma and internalizing standards considered normal in society in a different way, or *just* simply the second thing. An example is rough sex, hitting, violent actions being normal in porn, so people internalize this standard and their brain takes it far enough to get rap3 fantasies, since rap3 is associated with violence and rough intercourse. also we can't deny it's pretty common to see porn stuff with questionable consent or no consent at all, so being exposed to that -- especially at a young age -- can influence you.
another example is love interests (commonly men) in media disrespecting another character's (usually women) boundaries and its portrayed as something hot, respectable or good (especially good for the men's masculinity!), and people's brain just internalize those things and... well you know. there's also been some cases of women growing up with typical beliefs (ones rooted in religion) about sex being shameful and/or women acting sexual is shameful, and basically internalize that shame and, well you know. and i guess it's reasonable to say those fantasies can be rooted in witnessing misogyny in media, since some of the reasons i've just listed was objectification of women (I'd say it makes sense, since rap3 involves objectification)
i agree that it doesn't really make it any less gross and off-putting. internalization, being influenced, having trauma, and being conditioned to certain things can give you tons of different results depending on the person. it just happens that some of those results can be, not that great, or unhealthy and simply sad/worrying.
Fanfiction tropes making their way into "mainstream" fiction is a nightmare 😆 And I say this as an avid fanfic writer and reader.
I read dark romance, but I do it *because* I'll laugh my ass off. It's like watching a purposely bad movie. Of course the constant SA makes it really fucked to get through sometimes 😅
Psychological horror is so much more fun to read for when I am in the mood to read a dark and fucked up relationship. "Dark romance" Just fetishizes and sugarcoats toxicity
@@spaghetti5914 do you have any recommendations?
@@gumball2253 LITERALLY pick one at random. You have 99% of it being bad and not understanding romance and abuse.
im not the only one lol
I choked on the implant thing. Literally choked. Had to wait a bit before continuing the video. It's clear that whoever wrote this, the DUI part, and the pap smear part have never gotten these procedures done because there is nothing sexy about them lmao
The fact that the man in the Michael's tiktok was represented by a big, veiny hand gripping a basketball is a cherry on top
dude gets a paper cut and its over
2:50 I’m almost 900% sure that pap smears are INSANELY painful. Like. They don’t just put their fingers in there. I’m not going to explain it but look it up at your own risk and it becomes very quickly evident that it’s not a pleasurable experience. And no, not even painful in a good way. Painful in a “honestly I’d rather risk getting cervical cancer” way.
If you have a healthy uterus they are not painful, just uncomfortable. IUD insertion is painful but that’s different.
pap smears are not painful unless you’ve never placed anything up there before it would be a foreign feeling. it’s just uncomfortable and awkward
I find them mildly painful, but only on the level of, say, drawing blood. It's just the normal amount of medical test unpleasant.
It was most definitely written by a person who's never had one (most likely a 15 year old lmao)
Pap smears trigger me. It’s awful. I hyperventilate and scream and have to talk about abuse with every doctor. 😢
I totally agree, I've read so many books and rolled my eyes so much. Men are always described as aggressive, confident and arrogant also rich. No real personality in any of these characters.
The fact that I grew up reading Wattpad and I have a better understanding of good romance novels than these booktoks is scary
booktok is literally so funny because the caption is something like “ten novels i think everyone should read, these were life changing!!!” and then it’s always a bunch of white hetero enemies to “lovers” and 20% of it is colleen hoover
also as an aspiring author myself, this does give me somewhat of a boost of confidence regarding my romance writing abilities
this is why ao3 is superior to books because if youre reading a rape breeding kink, at least it's tagged rape and breeding and everyone's aware.
Edit: OMG yes on the killing stalking. I heard about it back when i was into yaoi, read the first chapter or soemthing and left horrified. I only googled years later to find out it's a thriller not a romance.
but you can't get original stuff on AO3. Or can you? I don't use it much.
@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3 There is an "Original Work" fandom, and it's surprisingly active for what is first and foremost a fanfic archive.
@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3 You can! You can actually tag your stories as “original work” if it does not pertain to a fandom and is an original story.
@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3 Yes you can actually. I've read some and I have posted a few original mini stories myself!
Yeah, killing stalking is an amazing thriller about abuse and violence. The fact that a whole Fandom formed that thought it was a romance is concerning...
No one can write each other it just doesn't work/j
Yeah, no I take back that /j
every time someone tries and does it well they all spontaneously combust 😔 thats why there are no good ones /j
Time to stop writing /j
Just write about the Platonic Ideals, forehead.
they need to be empaths obviously🙄
I've fantasized about the worst things you can think of. I think where there's an actual issue - aside from quality here - is that the Romance genre (and corn as well) became intertwined with violence to a point where non-con and dubious con are just part of the deal. When something is put everywhere, it becomes the thruth. None of this shit was ever meant to be the truth. It was meant to be a fantasy. It should be called fantasized abuse. That way things are called what they are and the line is less blurred between what can be a fun fantasy vs what's meant to be realistic or emulated. (Also, why those things are fun as fantasy is not that they would be fun for real as much as you don't have to take the bad. Like, in a fantasy, I can decide someone is saying no because they're shy and enjoyed themselves the whole time. Or that as much as they are begging and crying, magically, after it's done, they're okay. And it works because it's a fantasy. IRL, even when something is physically pleasant, it will traumatize you to have your consent violated. And I cannot just rape people and decide they're okay. For a similar reason, when I was younger, I used to fantasize about being abused because I was new to adulthood and felt overwhelm. So imagining someone controlling me was cathartic. Had anything actually happened I would probably be traumatized.
This!!! Smut should not be marketed as romance.
Omg, the generational trauma we have...
I'm personally not concerned about readers of adult-only fiction thinking rape is great because they read it in a romance book, but I do think it's important for the conversations around consent, abuse, boundaries, etc. to be even more prevalent than dark romance and for constructive criticism of the genre to be a thing just in case younger/less educated readers do get skewed ideas about IRL relationships.
I would also love it if there was a different name for dark "romance." Right now, censorship is a big issue there. The term "dark romance" is kind of a trojan horse so authors can make a living off of these books and help readers who want dark fantasies find them in the format they prefer (Kindle Unlimited, e-books, etc.).
Like with sex work, I think not allowing books featuring dark fantasies on major retailers causes more problems than they fix.
everyday the horrors of booktok continue to astonish me
Boyfriend: Hey babe im heading to Wendy's
Me : WHo DaFucK iS WenDy?
Honestly, this goes beyond “sometimes women can’t write men either” bc these women can’t seem to write women. It just turns out absolutely nobody is capable of writing women
@Barree1 you ever heard of hyperbole?
humans can’t write humans
So this isn't romance, but there are authors that I've really enjoyed for the representation of men
Ursula K LeGuin writes men very well; Better than most men. The dispossessed, the left hand of darkness, The word for world is forest. All three books do an excellent job of showing different male characters
The Sparrow, by Mary Doria Russell Also good writing of men, but an extremely upsetting book
Also, Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky is the only good book about men's rights activism.
For a man that writes men well, think you're probably stuck with Unseen Academicals by Terry Pratchett
I was surprised at how much I loved Ged in the Earthsea series, especially in books 2 and 4 when Tenar’s the perspective character. He maintains his dimension and integrity as a character, even when seen from the perspective of his eventual love interest.
Being ace makes this so much more confusing because I think all of it is silly, but how silly is socially acceptable by the allos (specifically cishet because y'all confuse me)? I think I can tell more now at least so thank you
As an aroace I feel this deeply not only when involves sex but also romance I cringe at everything
I think on average people are a lot kinkier than they tend to admit, and when filtered through all the weirdness which surrounds gender expectations as a cishet person of a certain type, I think what comes out the other end can be… very interesting if you're either queer (ace/aro folks included) or just are lucky enough not to have that particular species of brainworms.
Enemies to lovers implies that the characters are on equal standing. The power dynamics automatically cancel out enemies to lovers.
The pap smear one had to have been written by someone without a cervix because-
as a lesbian… i feel like i’ve avoided all of the bad writing of the opposite sex
for reference, these are the same people that freak out if a dude even looks at a woman
almost all critisism of these books wouldn't apply if the authors just framed it in the context of consentual kinky relationships doing scenes with good BDSM etiquette, but no, they have to write it like it's real and creepy.
In case you're concerned, dark romance readers know that what's going on isn't okay Irl. They know it's r*pe. The nonconsent is the kink. Dark romance is different from BDSM romance even if it contains things that are common in BDSM. In dark romance, the nonconsent and breaking of boundaries is the kink.
Many people have forced s*x and other dark fantasies but would never want anything of the sort to happen to them in real life. I suppose you could argue that women shouldn't get turned on by dark fantasies (although such insinuations are pointless) but the research says that these are common fantasies that don't seem to translate to women wanting abusive relationships irl or anything. Just a safe way to explore the dark corners of one's s*xual and romantic imagination. I can see why someone who doesn't have a dark imagination would think it's unhealthy, though
No because the way these books literally get published is just beyond me 😭💀
Never underestimate how many people are self publishing. It’s extremely easy to put anything you write up on Amazon.
i think these people should just go to a library... ask the librarians for book suggestions
I want to see every one of these writers/Booktoker’s overanalyze a Rorschach test
i write romance on ao3, typically RIVALS to lovers. enemies to lovers is weird to me and can get abusive really fast. my favorite example is the idea of wrightworth (ace attorney) vs something like these books. in the example of wrightworth, theyre opposing councils in multiple court cases, and are rivals but have a mutual respect, eventually becoming friends. whereas in these books it's something closer to perpetrator and victim. an "enemies to lovers" story needs to have mutual respect, at least in my opinion. you can hate someone and still respect them
help me that's my friend's favorite ship lmao, for those exact reasons
Eeeee I have panic attacks at the gyno. It’s the worst.
The worst romance book I read was called, “Wind Daughter” by Joanna Ruth Meyer. The main love interest constantly verbally abused the main character (mc was female) and even kissed her without consent. The worst part is the antagonist was a boy who told the m.c. to believe in herself and built her up. In the end the author states through her weird world building that the m.c. was at fault for the toxic love interest’s behavior (all of his actions) and the kind boy was evil for telling her to trust herself. The m.c. got together with the p.o.s love interest. Worst book I’ve ever read.
A [straight] friend of mine read killing stalking and insisted it was romance, I just felt a bit disgusted and disagreed.
Also my straight ex once tried to choke me out of nowhere? And tried to make it into a kinky thing while I was literally like, wtf. You’re aware of the fact that I’m not breathing rn, are you…?
Every day I have one more reason to look back and be like, I’m afraid of straight people. Not just men anymore. Like, what in the normalization of murderous acts. And what in the realization of trauma after watching this video. Oh my God. What.
People reading Killing Stalking and insisting it's a romance is frustrating because Killing Stalking is so interesting as a horror and a thriller. It's a horrifying and toxic situation that's made compelling by the two character's psychology, and people choose to ignore all of that in favor of romance. It gave Killing Stalking a bad name.
Hey, don't let this dictate what you think about straight people. They aren't an entire race of people, they're just people with a preference for others (like literally everyone else unless you're aromantic or aroace). There's awful people who are straight, but the same goes for people who are bi/gay/pan/etc. The person who did that to you deserves to be locked up honestly, and your friend is... eugh.
people that insist so bad that the cycle of ab7se that happens in Killing Stalking is ""romance"" are the ones that try so hard to minimize the ab8se that the main character suffers so they can fantasize about the ""relationship""(which in reality is a kidnapping situation) and call it romance, its honestly disgusting.
@@nl-ho4wm It's honestly really confusing to me, because it really shows the length people will go to make everything romance. There's a lot of sexual assault in Killing Stalking but because it's sexual people will take out the assault part. There are twisted depictions and abusive plays on typical romantic relationship stuff, but people go crazy at the idea of romance so they choose to ignore the abuse. It's also really odd because it feels like they just want Killing Stalking to be less dark than it is by ignoring all the dark parts. These people didn't want to read a horror/thriller, they wanted to read a romance, but instead of reading an actual romance they just twist the story and characters until it becomes a shallow and radioactively toxic husk just barely resembling a romance.
@@augustswater7845 Actually someone who romanticized it said something like it was hard to see is as ab5se because it had s8xual parts and im like wtf is SA is obvious that there will be a s9xual theme its like for them it has to be pure violence for it to qualify as SA if not then its not ab8se and that says a lot about what they think about s7xual assault, even with that disgusting mindset there are scenes in KS were the SA is pure violence but that person conveniently forgot that.
I highly doubt that this is because they want KS to be less dark, the author had put hints in the story that the main character could survive and recover to make the ending ambiguous and when she confirmed in her twitter that the fate of the main character is up to interpretation, she got hated on by these people because they wanted the main character to "unalive" (i cant put the real word here) himself so he could be with his ab8ser in death. It seems like they are superficial and entitled, superficial because if the ab7ser was ugly they would not be calling this a romance and entitled because they wanted to read a romance, instead of accepting it was not because of the amount of ab6se they doubled down on it twisting the story in the process, expecting that the author would comply with their views and when the author did not do that and put an open ending they lashed out.
The bad thing here isn't even the genre and the writing or whatever, it's the obsession with tropes.
If you can only communicate through tropes and archetypes, you aren't even writing based on real people. You are writing based on the fictionalized perception of people.
You aren't writing characters meant to be people, you are writing stuff that's completely unrelated from how people are and exist.
Even the most absurd and exaggerated action stuff still has a grounding in reality if it wants to be talent seriously.
Lmfao it's insane. Tropes matter but I'm not gonna be too obsessed with it for now until I'm done with my draft so I can my characters less one dimensional..
YESSSS TO THIS
As a vulva bearer I’m gonna just confirm that there is nothing erotic about a Pap smear. Even if I wanted to be turned out, I’m telling you. It doesn’t feel sensual in any way. I don’t know if they make the speculums out of whatever the opposite of aphrodisiac is. But then again, some people get off on body waxing so.
I'm going to incorporate "Who the fuck is Micheal" into my daily life this is so funny
9:16 this is fucking hilarious😭”he burns her house down” while this random ass video is playing in the background💀💀these “stories” would be so fucking funny in a comedy like always sunny in Philadelphia
1:53 what was that song playing in the bg of that Michael's tiktok?? LMAO
Booktok hetero pining (and Enemies to Lovers) seems to just be abuse...I mean presenting this to teens on tiktok seems a **bit** irresponsible?
At some point in school I was asked to write an essay about if we should start putting ratings on books. I think we should not for age but content because you never know what youre gonna stumble on out there lol
6:10 WE'RE BREEDING JOHN LENNON?!
2:20 okay but can we talk about how this is literally like how male writers sexualize and objectify women? She shows a women in her place but only a hand thats showing off veins in the man's place 💀
The only “enemies to lovers” book I’ve read that was actually good was the Legend series. We Stan Marie Lu 😌
do you know the age rating for it?
2:51 do they even know what a Pap smear is? I looked it up and that shit looks painful
So I'll start off by saying that BookTok is, indeed, a cesspool filled with recommendations for over-the-top, terribly written books that I personally find repulsive as romances. I also think some of them would be better suited to a category like "erotic thriller" or "erotic horror." Part of the problem is censorship. "Dark romance" is a safe little code word for books full of stuff Amazon doesn't allow, so authors and readers hide under romance to get their fix.
But in case you're concerned, dark romance readers know that what's going on isn't okay IRL. They know it's rape. The nonconsent is the kink. Dark romance is very different from BDSM romance even if it contains sexual acts common in BDSM, like choking, spanking, bondage, etc. Totally fair to criticize Fifty Shades, which was supposed to be a BDSM romance, but, again, in dark romance, the nonconsent and breaking of boundaries is the kink.
Also, if you think breeding kink is about monogamy and starting a nuclear family, you know nothing about breeding kink, LMAO! A lot of dark romance readers want the monogamy and fidelity, but breeding as a kink extends waaaay beyond romance. Also also, I'd say breeding kink is probably more commonly tied to nonconsent than to enthusiastic consent. Part of the fantasy often has to do with throwing away all reason and decency and just letting impulses drive you. Rape kink and breeding kink are like chocolate and freaking peanut butter, so saying it's no longer a breeding kink because there's nonconsent makes no sense.
And speaking of breeding... yeah, lactation kink is a thing. And yeah, some men have it, so I wouldn't call it an unrealistic depiction of a man. I've never given birth, so I can't speak to whether or not women feel sexual arousal however long after giving birth that was, but I wouldn't think it's that rare?
And I suppose you could argue that women shouldn't get turned on by dark fantasies (though such insinuations are pointless), but the research says these are common fantasies (as you can tell by the wild popularity of these books) that don't seem to translate to women wanting abusive relationships or anything. Just a safe way to explore the dark corners of one's sexual and "romantic" imagination. I can see why someone who doesn't have a dark imagination would think it's unhealthy, though.
Also, I don't know why either sex gets so hung up on the other not being able to write women/men. Men writing fantasies for men don't give AF about writing realistic women. That's not what their readers want. Ditto for women writing men. These are escapist fantasies.
Thank you so much for saying this. I have seen way too many people dunking on dark romance stuff without really understanding the culture surrounding it and it's genuinely so frustrating
@@Morimori67io Thanks for showing your appreciation! It was so frustrating to see so many people speaking out against dark romance from a place of complete ignorance. I hoped at least a few people would see my response and learn something.
The only heterosexual enemies to lovers that I think works is like academic rivals to lovers…and that’s not even really enemies to lovers
Reminds me of some asmr roleplays i woke up to. I start with something relaxing, and then suddenly autoplay takes me to something with a plot mostly consisting of kidnapping, murder or other yandere stuff
Kinkshaming breeding is the funniest fycking thing I've heard all week hahahahahahahaaaa SUBBED
"Hey babe im going to Dave & Busters"
"WHO THE FUCK ARE DAVE AND BUSTER"
I literally love you for saying everything on my mind. I was actually finishing sentences with this video 🤣
I've gone to the gynaecologist a few times before and on none of those occasions did i feel the slightest hint of arousal, because as you said, there is nothing remotely sexy about having to watch a complete stranger probe your genitals.
Now I do sometimes like to fantasize about it being a sexy situation, dark "romance" style, but that's something I would never write into any of my actual books. I mostly keep it to myself and maybe occasionally fanfiction sites, but I think there's an important distinction to be made between finding morally questionable hypothetical situations arousing and finding any sort of genuine romance in them.
I think as long as the difference between FANTASY and genuine desire for it to happen in real life is made clear, we should let people explore these kinds of scenarios without being so harsh on them. I don't have tiktok so I have no idea to which extent these women are glorifying abuse and to which extent they are just having fun with the things they like to think about while blasting rope, but great video nevertheless! It's always fun to watch you complain about what people on tiktok are doing, that way I spare myself from actually having to download it
I'm a feminist and I think that the "new" female characters WRITTEN BY WOMEN are, most of the time, even worse than the "women written by men" characters. Also the whole Twilight/Shades of whatever/After saga thing? The worst male characters ever written in the history of literature.
I remember finding one where a tampon being inserted and that was somehow turned sexual
These are like, ten times worse
oh!
Fan fiction is so so beautiful because some are you reading the most amazingly written story with more depth and suspense in it then any published book you’ve ever read before, and some are a fix about a cartoon character getting high on cow milk and hallucinating there crush as satan
I had gotten a book from booktok from a friend, I read like a quarter of it and I had to put it away with how concerning it got, it's still on my bookshelf catching dust.
If you get an O from a Pap smear you were just assaulted 😭😭😭
And the comment sections on these instagram and tiktok videos are “uhh dream man🤪” “its just a book lmao 😂😂”
watching stuff like this is always hilarious in a “god this is so fucked up and im sad the world is like this” kinda way yknow
banger video nick slayyyyy
Can confirm as someone that had a pap smear as a virgin, it was not sexy or fun. Had to keep being told to stop clenching but ya can’t really blame me when I felt like I was being violated due to how asexual I am.
Who needs romance books when you have play by post DND servers?
You’d be surprised at how well two people who share strictly platonic feelings with each other romance rp their characters. It’s like watching a play; reading a book and seeing Lady Whistledown esque town gossip unfold in real time and it’s so much more thrilling than any romance book on this earth.
Ngl, roleplaying a romance between two characters is so much fun, and then gushing about it with the other person you're roleplaying with is too !
I would’ve assumed when it said “women can’t write men either” that it would be about the weird ass shit romcoms try to romanticize as “gentlemanly”
As an AFAB person with an IUD... no, literally nobody on this planet every even found a smear test/ pap smear even a little bit sexy let alone 'gonna orgasm on this speculum' sexy (also interesting that that person said fingers instead of speculum... i am not convinced that author was AFAB tbh) and every last one of us who has an IUD crossed our legs and winced as if we'd just been kicked in the balls at the idea of it being taken out.
As someone who is currently writing a book.
This definitely let's me know what I should avoid!! (Kinks)
offtopic but omg your hair is the exact same color as mine, I don't see my hair color often and I'm so happy rn
My jaw was dropping, that was all horrifying
I'm actually attempting to write an enemies to lovers romance at the moment. I'd better make sure I'm not writing an abuse story instead!
As long as the people are equal in power and have some mutual respect, it should work. Maybe there is some "they were told to be enemies but they slowly find out they are not so different and bond over something"
Somehow this is worse than Snapewives, and I never imagined I would say that.
The completely deadpan googoo gaga killed me
I don't read the unrealistic shiz... If I'm reading a dark.fict. It needs to be appropriately reacting to the actual bad things. Otherwise, it's poorly written and it makes me angry.
*_Unless I'm reading it BECAUSE I know it's supposed to be bad that way and I want to "watch the train wreck"... which I admit, I will do._*
I don’t understand why they like to glamorize toxic and abusive men so much it’s like so common to the point that it spreads to BL (gay fiction mostly written by straight women) and it’s just awful reading only just the premise and like the fm prog is getting hit like what
In case you're concerned, dark romance readers know that what's going on isn't okay Irl. They know it's r*pe. The nonconsent is the kink. Dark romance is different from BDSM romance even if it contains things that are common in BDSM. In dark romance, the nonconsent and breaking of boundaries is the kink.
Many people have forced s*x and other dark fantasies but would never want anything of the sort to happen to them in real life. I suppose you could argue that women shouldn't get turned on by dark fantasies (although such insinuations are pointless) but the research says that these are common fantasies that don't seem to translate to women wanting abusive relationships irl or anything. Just a safe way to explore the dark corners of one's s*xual and romantic imagination. I can see why someone who doesn't have a dark imagination would think it's unhealthy, thoughIn case you're concerned, dark romance readers know that what's going on isn't okay Irl. They know it's r*pe. The nonconsent is the kink. Dark romance is different from BDSM romance even if it contains things that are common in BDSM. In dark romance, the nonconsent and breaking of boundaries is the kink.
Many people have forced s*x and other dark fantasies but would never want anything of the sort to happen to them in real life. I suppose you could argue that women shouldn't get turned on by dark fantasies (although such insinuations are pointless) but the research says that these are common fantasies that don't seem to translate to women wanting abusive relationships irl or anything. Just a safe way to explore the dark corners of one's s*xual and romantic imagination. I can see why someone who doesn't have a dark imagination would think it's unhealthy, though
@@Getheltel Stop talking
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@@Getheltel Bee gone. Stop talking.
I read lot of romance books made by women and for women; and by far in my experiences women are worse in writing men than otherwise... Like in many of these the guys are horrible people, or toys for the girl to play with, they don't have a life of their own besides just being there for the girl, their past and struggles are not explored, and even the way their sexuality is portrayed is quite disgusting; with being either p3d0s, r4p1sts, etc, etc. And the narrative almost NEVER calls that out, at least when guys make these books all the characters are bad written and it often times portrays their actions as questionable and or even wrong, but when it is otherwise it is for whatever reason glamorized. Also, women tend to like to make men suffer in their narratives too, like killing their own daughters or losing a spouse because of immortality yada yada; not saying that this doesn't happen with women, but as a person that has read a LOT of books written by women and some by men, I gotta say the portrayal of women in the mens side is more romanticized, cherished, and even implies that there are more things that meets the eye, and all the characters are trimendisional or a big majority of them, at least (talking about writers like Poe and Machado de Assis, Shakeaspere, these guys, per example), while in women cases the men is either crap, or a really nice guy that you can actually want to sucede, going to extremes like books like Jane Austen per example were the characters all have their own things going own and there are good and bad people, again, tridimensional characters, and books like Somebody Possessed my Body, where she ends up (MC) with her brothers and father (adoptive, but still), if you get what I mean... I am not saying that writing something bad or good as anything to do with gender, but people, mostly women tend to pretend or ignore that their writing isn't better than men in any regards and sometimes it can be even worse if we analyse it as a whole with things like Captain Marvel or She Hulk per example; in my opinion what defines good writing is just if a person writes good or bad, simple as that. I am so sick of this joke; at least if people are gonna make fun of men writing women, they should talk about how horribly men are written, especially in romances (modern 2000-20's) by women; like seriously guys look it up, it's TERRIBLE, like SUPER GROSS! Great video, explore more of the women writing men side, please.
5:38 as someone who JUST RECENTLY got one (replaced after the old one), I FEEL DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE… FYM “scraping against it” HWAAEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW EWIE EWIEEEEEEEEE EEWWWWW😭😭😭
Okay, I lost it at the breeder kink stuff 😭😂🤣
You have no idea how much I hate the heterosexual enemies to lovers side of booktok.
omg these curls!!! ✨
Knowing about books like these make me concerned for a story I’m going to try to write sometime down the line, and what I really mean by that is that I’m scared possible readers might like the AWFUL protagonist I have planned.
Basically, he’s a 19YO king who’s deeply obsessed with his 16YO sister, and he makes a contract with a demon to try and make her fall in love with him.
She has no idea what’s going on, and he’s just forcing her to spend time with him after doing some pretty bad things.
The demon he makes the deal with is also very concerned and hates everything.
Sounds like a awesome story 😃
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