1. Place sentry low ground 2. Use skill or courier to find out there is an enemy sentry on high ground 3. Place obs on high ground together with the enemy sentry (not destroy it) 4. Carry walk through, destroy enemy sentry 5. Enemy notice, and deward the obs 6. Carry : WHY NO WARDS!!!!???
@Reyhan Andito This is something i've only learned about doing this year and it's so effective. I love it. My observers get to die of old age and i'm so proud
I don't find that happens too often, but I think it's because my cores don't really know where to find tomes in store since they rarely play supports. It CAN happen with another support not checking what lvl you're in doe: does Dazzle really need that lvl 6 (or even 7, 8) if disruptor/AA/lich/wd/... could have gotten their ulti with tome? Check your other support people. He might have a more important ulti than you.
The last point is soo relatable...like there's zero vision on map and cores want supps to deward high ground cliffs with the entire enemy team missing... that's not a deward that's an insta feed. If we somehow get the wards up without feeding then they get dewarded, either way it's gg
if you ward like a dog and wards get dewarded then its 100% on you. Cliffs are not a ward spot unless you intend to hold the location for most of the wards duration.
@@Andytlp If the enemy team is at the same skill level (and they almost always are if you're not a smurf or account buyer or they don't have smurfs or account buyers) there's a 50/50 chance that your ward will get dewarded no matter what because we all watch Dota videos on UA-cam and play at the same skill level. Maybe don't assume the enemy team is always a bunch of idiots that don't know how to deward?
@@darkwizard5970 and when u deward that part they will even mostly put more sentry just to remove the positioned ward to invoke fear of no vision , like the guy saying ur dog warding doesnt even mean a thing if the enemy knows what to do , and most egoistic carry doesnt care just deward lol
A good strategy for dealing with this situation is to just get some smokes. If your team is baby mode, cowering in your base, while the enemy team isn't actively pushing a lane, you need to get out ASAP, and smokes are the best way to trick your campy cores into coming with you so that you can ward.
Great point about the dust - as a KOTL I'm always on the fringes of a fight, so popping dust is difficult without getting myself into a more disadvantaged position.
Dust has way more range than you think. Its 1050 range, its literally a full screen away. But still there are plenty reasons for the ganking cores to carry some sort of detection.
With most large range supports i stick with sentries majority of the time your team can keep the invi hero in the sentry range, and you can place it from a relatively safe distance
@@SinisterMJ that's not true on multiple levels. first of all its more like 80% of a screen.. and that's the TOTAL area. it's only HALF that distance in any given direction from the caster.. so you saying "its literally a full screen away" is misleading. away from what? not from the caster. the target would have to be 40% of a screen away to be dusted. finally factor in the size of the enemy cluster and you could be having to get even closer than that! suddenly you're 20% of a screen away from danger just trying to reach the target to be dusted.
Real in-game conversation: pos1: no wards gg pos5: they just dewarded, and it's dangerous to go out right now pos3: no vision gg pos5: come with me and help me ward, I can't ward alone pos2: trash support gg report
Honestly this conversation is verbatim.....I remember warding the high ground spent like 300 gold said ok we just need to smoke here and wait... they are about to come in to deward this.... 10 seconds later they all walk away Area gets dewarded.... 3 people die..... WE WATCHED THEM WALK UP THE FUCKING HILL ..... BLIND!!!!! YOU DUMB FUCKs. Here you ward ... im fucking done. bro.
Also something I hate: When you just warded one side of the map and there are still objectives and the enemy does not have vision and then suddenly your team decides to go on the other side of the map for no reason and they feed because we have no vision there but the enemy does have vision followed by the enemy team dewarding all of my wards because my cores are not alive and then me being out of observer and sentry wards so I literally cant even place wards.
100% no wards in the shop or bag and the cores complain that they have no vision when they totally failed to play where there was vision and protect the wards.
THIS. I can't stress it enough since this feels like the reason we either lose or unnecessarily lengthen the game 70-90% of time. And it's sheer laziness sometimes: "I wanna farm bot cause I'm marginally more bot, even if there's terrible vision and no enemies showing". I feel like the only times a game goes well is if I spam "go top now PLS" when we have vision walking up into enemy jungle. Dota becomes a MSPaint simulator. Oh, and pressing dust, since that gives slightly better results in focusing people's attention to a tower push. Oh, and then there's "no, let's get their offlane tier I first". No, b*tch, just go where the vision ward is, before it expires (LITERALLY EXPIRES, as in 6 minutes of wonderful vision walking up to their jungle). It's like tier II is invulnerable if you don't get all tier Is first.
The problem is some people have this mindset where they feel like they have to interact with the enemy in some way at all times, so they see all this vision top, but no enemies so they instinctually go bottom because that's where a fight will happen and they wanna be ready for a fight at all times. Usually it's one person going bot to do this, and then supports follow them to sit behind them ready for the fight, or supports go to be ready for fight and then cores assume that's where we're playing as a team without any logical critical thought whatsoever. If you go against this grain, your team will fight while you're pushing top, die 4v5 and then blame you for not being there.
may I add to the warding topic, that it's highly frustrating for a Supp to generate vision, but the team refuses to actually protect the vision, so you just lose it 1 minute later to a solo enemy Supp which could have been easily killed, if one or two cores actually protected the vision with the support.
yeah, one of the most annoying things is, your cores complains that there's no wards so you spent gold on sentries to clear that jungle and ward it. But an enemy support comes in alone and dewards it knowing you just dewarded their observers BUT your cores are too freaking busy killing the neutrals to actually protect the vision while an enemy LONE support walking in PLAIN sight clears your newly placed observer ward.
Bruh, just dont place observers on standart spots like highground, you can just place an undewardable obs and be okay with little less vision, but it will stand a lot longer. It's not carry, that should be protecting them, its your responsibility
@@muhammadnaufalw1822 Depends on amount of vision that got on ladders/lowgrounds/pathways etc., but, their problem anyways, if they can't do a little minimap checks every now and then and only focus on their farm
@@kirilpetrodotov8427 I mean if they are within range and just dumbly stood over there then what the actual fuck man. I can understand if they are far away but if they are that close and focuses on neutrals instead then it's their fault.
Cores shouldn't just buy dust if they have free slots, sometimes they should choose dust over certain items that are currently eating up a slot. If you're playing against a critical invis hero post laning stage, it's worth it as a core to get rid of that quelling blade or branch for a dust. As the game goes on, it's sometimes worth foregoing a bracer/null/wb for a dust if it means killing the enemy riki instead of letting him escape.
Hmm would it break the game if they put a new slot for just dust/gem? Not sure, because super late game if slots are a problem those invis heroes become very pesky!
@@jonahjameson272 I can’t believe this was from 10 months ago. Anyway, I’ve thought of that but it might be too big a nerf to invis heroes. Maybe a dedicated spot for wards for support qol because you need those whether you’re playing against invis or not.
thanks for dc hook, noice As a 3k supp player, I can say, most of the wards I've placed didn't do much, cause my cores see nothing anyways. They won't defend supps if the backline of the teamfight is compromised. They won't react if you tell them you've made a double/triple stack for them, and enemies will farm those stacks much sooner than your core would. They won't fall back if you tell them in voice chat they're in danger right now. The lane sentry will always be dewarded cause your core won't hold the equilibrium, he's gonna right click creeps. So Don't expect them to see the minimap. Allvision would not be enough. The only time they are gonna use wards is for the excuse of whatever mistake they did. "Place a core a ward, and he's gonna blame you anyway when he dies. Mute him, and he's not gonna ask for wards ever again" Confuzi. And when the map is dark, you can be almost sure, they are either doing Roshan or waiting for you to come out, so you don't really need to see them, one scan in roshpit kinda tells you where they are.
the triple stacks is very true ive made a triple stacks in the triple camp in top jungle... next thing you know the enemy is contesting my stacks after 5 minutes later since my core is so late
Jenkins, thanks for this video, you nailed it. This is literally my every game. Not to mention the cores who buy the tome of experience on top of you sacrificing the entire early game for them to be in the advantage then they feed and complain that you did not save then when you are 10 levels or more behind.
Best hero for deward is slark. The ult informs you if there are enemy wards, ensuring you dont get ward juked and fail to catch the wards in your sentry.
@@faridsalam9521 Its been here. Ive been using it to go from Herald 1 to Divine 1. Free dewarding, 1400g aoe silver edge, long range slow. Very good 10/10
2:18 is exactly what happened to me several times, and this core had 2-3 empty slots and REFUSED to buy dust, and kept on crying "only supp should buy dust" and kept flaming me, but not the other supp because he was in his party. I even explained it to him why it is better to just get at least 1 dust, but no, it felt like I was talking to a parrot.
Every carry player needs to watch this every day until they understand how Dota works... Triggeres me so much how often these things even in 5k happen with my 10k behaviorscore
I feel dust is more effective on frontliners and less on backliners, so having it on you, is not about whether someone is a support of a carry. It's more about your position in relation to the position of the invis enemy.
100% true video, as a support player, I face all of these problems every single game pretty much, basically core players that never played a support in their life, have no fucking idea what they are talking about
Thank you, Jenkins! Played exclusively as a supp for the first 4 years, then eventually got tired of all the blaming and changed to offlane. Now I happily play both roles.
Easily one of the best educational videos on dota for a moderately experienced player. The simple breakdown of what 4/5s are supposed to do after laning alone was worth the time to watch this.
Hey Jenkins - Great video. As a person who started off playing core then drifting off to support main (mainly because no one else wanted to play the role), I think you hit the nail on the head. It's so frustrating playing support in lower tiers because the only thing that people consider success in 2-4K MMR is the amount of kills and having the least amount of deaths (essentially a 5's worst enemy). Anyway, I am guilty of doing some of these things. P.S Love your voice chat wheel in D2 "That is absolutely no what I was expecting" .. makes me giggle each time i hear it. Thanks for the laugh and educational video
00:53 - This happens not only during the lanings stage! If you are a support and don't know what to do, just sit behind your core. Behind your most important core during the specific period of time in your game! If you are near rosh objective, that's ursa. If you are defending high ground, it's your sniper, or arc warden. Adapt
A safe lane carry told me, a pos5, to leave him alone and not take his xp during the laning phase. I got fed up and left and the dude immediately died asking me why I wasn't helping him.
thats actually your fault. He woulvd asked u to let him soak solo XP till enemy returns to lane not to completely abandon him. Im telling you this as a support main myself. You should let your core soak solo if there is no immediate danger and come back when wave is pushing out or if u notice enemies missing
@@FarazMazhar how does that matter? supports are stronger in early game. they only need 2 levels max to set up lane kills. If I get a kill at level 1-2 also I will leave the lane to stack creeps or pull waves. whats most important is your carry needs to get level 6 before their carry. then he goes to kill the creeps you stacked and then you can get solo XP + tomes. really good supports dont even need the catchup XP they will just gank other lanes immediately and get levels through kills.
@@FarazMazhar probably because you're leeching the exp which could help your core farm. if you only there leeching exp on the lane that the core has to ask you to leave then it is your fault.
I have been waiting for this from you for sooo long, dude! Nice one! But I certainly expect this to be a series, maybe for other roles as well or even the next chapter of deeper stuff like chain feeding and how to balance solofarm/fighting with your team for pos 1
bad core: noooooo you are supposed to place the wards i have to farm nooooo also bad core: goes exactly where there's no vision, conveniently forgets wards are free.
I really like to just shove some dust in my cores(and pos4 if necessary) inventories with my courier after checking if they have space and then pinging it in their inventories to notify them when I'm playing 5 xD that mostly fixes the invis problems :D
Nice video.. I am literally sending the link to this video to my cores every single time I am blamed for any of these. I tried to explain to my cores so many times for exactly these situations, but they never listen. Maybe it is becuase I am just 2,5k shit and they are as well. I have hopes they will take it from you, Jenkins. Sometimes I feel like I am trying to support people that don't deserve it. Supports life is hard life. However, sometimes it is really nice to meet friendly cores that actually even thank you for your job, forgive your mistakes, give advices (express their needs) instead of just flaming. So I still have hope that people are not that bad after all 🙂 GL guys, have fun, don't flame! :-)
At the lower MMRs cores not protecting the wards is infuriating. They fucking see the enemy support go into their jungle to deward and just continue hitting their neutral camp instead of stopping that shit. Blows my mind.
Then moments after he gets ganged by the enemy team and start a hissing fit that they have vision and we don’t, no way Sherlock, they really have vision on you? I want whose fault is it…
you didn't mention the most important point for the warding section. When I ward our triangle or the enemy safelane jungle and then my cores don't go there to farm and the enemy just kills our wards for free because i'm a support and cant contest. It feels really shitty especially when my cores tp to our safelane and get ganked within 30 seconds of their tp.
All very good points well made sir. Back in the days of vanilla WoW days we used to joke about how our guild turbo-tards couldn't avoid boss mechanics and explained to them that it was like standing in front of a moving bus. Would you stand stationary in front of a moving bus? Of course not, so avoid the moving objects. Your panther in the blackness is a very good metaphor.
guys vision is free, support is not naturally traveling through the entire map with 350 ms to place the best obs, also if they show wards in their inventory it is easy for enemy to track your support trajectory and get full information about where exactly wards were placed. If you buy 1 or 2 of those free wards you will be able to better place them (because you farm in so many places and move faster across the map) and enemies will not deward them so easily
Another point with warding, there are instances when supps dont place sentries and just obs wards, leading to constant dewards and no vision. Seen it happen sometimes when you have a zeus teammate. Like they will rely all the time zeus will be the one to deward and just place obs wards.
I hope this video gets seen by all the core players out there, especially the one with the detection part, those cores that still keep quelling in place of a possible dust. #SupportsAreHumanToo
I spectated a game a friend of mine was playing, where he was playing Centaur and was doing fine. The Jugg on his team, though, who was by far the highest farm in the game, kept complaining that Centaur should buy an AC, and that they began losing fights because of the lack of armor that AC provides. The enemy team had a Razor, who, EVERY single fight was static linking Jugg at the start. 4 fights in a row, Jugg got static linked, made no attempt to break the link, and used Omnislashed while the static link debuff was still active. So basically, every single fight the team with the Jugg as its hard carry had no omnislash, and no damage output from his right clicks either. Even in the post game lobby, after they'd lost, he was STILL complaining that the lack of AC on Centaur is why they lost, demonstrating he doesn't understand how Omnislash damage works, and/or he doesn't understand why static link works.
with vision being such an essential aspect of the game, I usually buy an early sod, keep it in stash until 2 to night time where I'd go solo sod or with another support and do a pre night time deep warding or close to their tier 1 tower (objectives). This gives you an early vision of enemy supports who most probably are the ones carrying wards. From then on, you only have to guess where they place their obs/sents.
Finally, someone said it. Awesome Video. Problem is - some players think they are great carry/core without realizing they are not ready yet for that. I believe to be a good carry/core, one have to learn and be a good support first.
OMG this video should be a must watch for all Dota2 players! When winning it's pos 1 2 3 effort, when losing we support will be blamed for AT LEAST one of these situation!
Lol It teared me on your video because I as a pos4 or 5 always blamed at, like they want me to put observer wards at our triangle camp then they farm at the opposite camps or they demand me to ward the camp all alone where all enemies are missings.. And when I died they chat me feeder.. Damn. the "its the core fault" cheered me up. Ty.
when i know certain area are warded i often asked my cores to do smoke, and go wrap around those area, most of the time the result is good, deward and some free kill, IF the core want to smoke
Hi Jenkins! I was 90% agreed with you this video contents. However, in some certain scenario cases, like my supports RANDOMLY buying all the wards/sentries and they RANDOMLY placed them in the wrong spot on the map. I would be happy if there are some extra vision/sentries on the shops, so I can help myself to place wards in mid lane for Runes control and place in the enemy jungle to farm up. It's only the case, when i'm party with my friend and play with 3 random stacks.
I had a guy flaming me and my friend for not buying wards while that same guy was instantly buying them and denying them. He even held philosophers all game. Some people are literally so bad that they develop a scapegoat to blame for the loss while playing the game, because they know they're terrible and already are anticipating a loss.
Happened to me too one game he was a rubick player. Funniest part was he kept saying report axe (he started doing it minute 8 or something because apparently I was cutting lane and denying him xp he needed for 6 like wtf)
0:30 I think I've heard somewhere about this before that the hero who is stronger (whoever he/she is, support or core) should stay at the lane and the other one g pull. So in this case, Sven should g pull and disruptor stay the lane?
4:20 "Literally why Valve added the Tome of Experience." Support Me: >About to buy tome Core: Buys it for themselves. Same core: Complains why I'm so underleveled. Later on. Me: Wards and dewards. Core: Jungling where the enemy has vision. Me: gets killed while core watches me. Core: Insults me, calls me that I lack map awareness and "tips" me for dying Flame war ensues. I jus't can't with this game.
I feel number 4... I've had sooo many matches lately where my carries bitch and moan because of no vision. Only because they don't protect me when I place wards. Then in turn I lose gold to buy other items because I have to buy wards AGAIN.
My biggest pet peeve as a core is when my support pulls while the equilibrium is barely outside of tower range, while I'm a squishy carry and the enemy has 2 heroes that can dive me. Even if they don't I have to tank a creep wave for no reason.
One reason why I like supporting one of my friends, he doesn't do any of this stuff. He's even specifically told me to try to pull both heroes into the jungle even if I feed just so he can get some cs without being harassed. But I think the big thing is just that we communicate to each other a lot when we play
Just happened in a recent game...the spectre HC was the only back in the base, while the team was out pushing top. ALL the enemies went missing and the spec still runs to the safelane OF ALL places to farm the wave then immediately complains that there was no vision. We were all like..."We were all top taking their tier 2...why would you walk out into the SAFElane with no vision then?" (which of course, become the dangerous lane when tier 1 and especially tier 2 are down which they both were in this case). Some people act like their stupid decisions are another player's fault and it's mind boggling and frustrating. I'd say something like 40-60 percent of my losses in Ranked are because of things like that. People are feeding because they are being careless and cocky.
Thank you for this, cause I love it when I stack and pull for my carries only to be blamed when they die. I also love it when they're lvl 12 and spam buying tome every 10 mins against lvl 5 supps who just wants to have his/her ult. I also fucking love it when I get flamed and blamed that there's no vision on the map like they expect that no one out of the 2 supps on the enemy team would deward. That's why I think the Ward Scores system in League should be implemented in dota.
I seriously hope cores can see this! I am a support player out of 50 games I play 49 supports and suffered all what was mentioned in this video. Man~ Sometimes I just throw the game or just don't ever help our core who's being very toxic. Also as why I only play 49 supports out of 50 game, that's single draft I have no choice but to pick a carry than to pick invoker xD! Philippines internet connection man!
I spammed questing from dec 2020 to march 2021 qop arcana in all lanes. Yes, if on side lanes, i go supp by blinking then warding or dewarding or blocking enemy camps. It worked
I remember once a kunka getting mad at me for getting an Ultra Kill with CM's ult with IO's help, he was saying i stole the kills from him. 5 seconds before that happen he rushed 5 enemies alone and died and some how that is my fault.
I love this video, it's so wholesome, and probably gives support players everywhere confidence that their flaming carry is actually bad and it's not (100%) their fault.
Number 2 happened to me yesterday. I always tick all roles and happened to get offlane. We are owning until first 15 mins. Enemy has BH and mirana I buy dust, used it and didn't buy more which I regret a lot. I told my grimstroke and dazzle to bring dust and but they didnt buy it we lost fight because of it. Number 3 and 4 happened a lot to me as supp. I always told my cores that we need tower push the lanes to their side, so I can comfortably place ward. Otherwise it will get dewarded and hard to gain map control.
As a long time pos 4/5 player I just want to thank Jenkins for speaking up for us. It’s like the UNICEF speaking up for under privileged children. FYI, am playing SEA server, where most cores think they’re the silver spoon kid and needs to be pampered all the time
Yeah I am also annoyed at those Carries who dont even wanna win buying detection Items vs Mirana, Riki or other Invis Heroes.. and wards are useless u plant them down and they dont see the fvcking mini map.. man they have a blind eye towards that minimap.. been supporting and still I suck and my team even worst 4 cores 1 support.. wtf..
I remember warding a high ground on a completely pitch black map once as a pos5. As soon as i put the observer it happens in an instant, all 5 enemy daggered in me and a freaking lion blasted me out of existence. Since then, i only pick tanks
Detection is one of the most frustrating things in dota. When you see that 40 minute quelling blade just sitting in your core's inventory and invi heroes getting away cause as a support you're not in range to use a dust or you've died already, you just want to peel the skin of your face off.
You could also mention the space thing when you make space for your carry and he instead goes to fight solo after you're all dead from making space for him to farm. I know about low commitment thing for pos 1 in terms of kills, but what usually happens in pubs - is carries can't split push properly, your t3 gets sieged and they cosplay broodmother on the bottom while you lose your rax and eventually all your teamfight since you're 4 v 5. And the most common thing is carries are scared to initiate in the late game when it's needed because they fear to throw the game and they end up throwing the game. Or carry waits for his team to die to collect ez kills, but he usually kills off one or two supports and feeds. On laning sometimes as a core you need to share regen with your support if for example, he has low hp but full mana, but it doesn't happen all the time. And sometimes there are issues with people not trying to play their role as intended or not understanding what their role has to be doing.
Sups and cores have a parent-child relationship. At the beginning the core is attached to the sups, depends on them for most everything, then they reach their adolescence and start to disregard the sup, farming where they shouldn’t, being stupidly positioned and and blaming everything on the sups when they often are the one sabotaging themselves. After comes the adulthood, where the cores are more independent and the sups are old and weak in comparison to the cores, but still essential. At this stage the cores realized how important their sups truly were and are, missing them dearly when they are no longer around or incapable of having presence. They resent the sups for leaving them alone, while they were the ones pushing them away, but when they are truly gone, all that’s left is the longing for the sups and an empty hole …where the enemy comes and buttfucks ur base.
srry this took so long i rewrote the script 69 times. please comment on this video and ill give u a dragonclaw hook
Jenkins
Haha sx nimber
@@DarkFazy horrific. he should be publicly shamed with tomatoes and bananas thrown on him
nice
Ummm. Hi?
My core: Go pull.
Me: Going to pull.
Core dies*
Core: Why you not near me?
Me: Covering core.
Lane pushes out*
Core: Why you not pull?
Exactly 🤣
Sea doto
Почему в шапке, почему без шапки.
i feel u brother :)
HOLY SHIT AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA THIS IS SO FKNG ACCURATE
1. Place sentry low ground
2. Use skill or courier to find out there is an enemy sentry on high ground
3. Place obs on high ground together with the enemy sentry (not destroy it)
4. Carry walk through, destroy enemy sentry
5. Enemy notice, and deward the obs
6. Carry : WHY NO WARDS!!!!???
Only good supports know that sentry doesn't give vision awhile after its planted
I can relate to this and what boggles me more is that when my team has no invis but still does this.
Alc : But i need to keep my passive going
when i played in low rank, i usually deward my own sentries before my team deward enemy sen3, lol.
@Reyhan Andito This is something i've only learned about doing this year and it's so effective. I love it. My observers get to die of old age and i'm so proud
On "there's no vision" complains I always answer with "I can give you the wards if you think you can place them".
"I'm the carry you dumbass"
@@isla2416 staying base and crying for vision wont win you the game. Help me place the wards you dummy. Its called being useful try it for once!
Best core is not who complain about no vision, but the core who itself THE VISION, love to play with slardar/bloodseeker.
@@avinion that's why Night Stalker is one of my favourite heroes. Being a flying moving night ward is so good for teamfights and "cleaning" the map
If only they can just " if no one can do it , then i will do it my self" but no they just complain lol
I love it when my cores buy the tomes I'm supposed to get and then say "useless supports" because I just get instakilled at the start of every fight
I don't find that happens too often, but I think it's because my cores don't really know where to find tomes in store since they rarely play supports.
It CAN happen with another support not checking what lvl you're in doe: does Dazzle really need that lvl 6 (or even 7, 8) if disruptor/AA/lich/wd/... could have gotten their ulti with tome? Check your other support people. He might have a more important ulti than you.
Man, I just straight up throw when my lvl 7 core buy the tome while we 2 supports was lvl 5.
if you get instakill every fight., you might want to consider your position. stay back and be last in war
It's very often I'm level 5 and everyone is level 7 and tomes already taken
LOL when you play a Lich and you wait for the tome to get ur ult 😆😆
"Playing core will make you a better support. Playing support will make you a better core."
-- Sun Tsu
Can confirm he said this as I was there
I played both and i still suck at both sadge
I was this guy i had my ign Sun Tzu
play with pinoy mke u want to kill people in real life
but non of that will make you a better mid :D
The last point is soo relatable...like there's zero vision on map and cores want supps to deward high ground cliffs with the entire enemy team missing... that's not a deward that's an insta feed. If we somehow get the wards up without feeding then they get dewarded, either way it's gg
if you ward like a dog and wards get dewarded then its 100% on you. Cliffs are not a ward spot unless you intend to hold the location for most of the wards duration.
@@Andytlp If the enemy team is at the same skill level (and they almost always are if you're not a smurf or account buyer or they don't have smurfs or account buyers) there's a 50/50 chance that your ward will get dewarded no matter what because we all watch Dota videos on UA-cam and play at the same skill level. Maybe don't assume the enemy team is always a bunch of idiots that don't know how to deward?
@@darkwizard5970 and when u deward that part they will even mostly put more sentry just to remove the positioned ward to invoke fear of no vision , like the guy saying ur dog warding doesnt even mean a thing if the enemy knows what to do , and most egoistic carry doesnt care just deward lol
A good strategy for dealing with this situation is to just get some smokes. If your team is baby mode, cowering in your base, while the enemy team isn't actively pushing a lane, you need to get out ASAP, and smokes are the best way to trick your campy cores into coming with you so that you can ward.
@@darkwizard5970 I meant warding unconventional spots. Sups will always try to deward cliffs.
Great point about the dust - as a KOTL I'm always on the fringes of a fight, so popping dust is difficult without getting myself into a more disadvantaged position.
Honestly, I would say dust is for melee, fast moving hero.
Dust has way more range than you think. Its 1050 range, its literally a full screen away. But still there are plenty reasons for the ganking cores to carry some sort of detection.
With most large range supports i stick with sentries majority of the time your team can keep the invi hero in the sentry range, and you can place it from a relatively safe distance
@@SinisterMJ that's not true on multiple levels. first of all its more like 80% of a screen.. and that's the TOTAL area. it's only HALF that distance in any given direction from the caster.. so you saying "its literally a full screen away" is misleading. away from what? not from the caster. the target would have to be 40% of a screen away to be dusted. finally factor in the size of the enemy cluster and you could be having to get even closer than that! suddenly you're 20% of a screen away from danger just trying to reach the target to be dusted.
Kotl is one of the best gem carriers in most games
Real in-game conversation:
pos1: no wards gg
pos5: they just dewarded, and it's dangerous to go out right now
pos3: no vision gg
pos5: come with me and help me ward, I can't ward alone
pos2: trash support gg report
Pos4: ping ward in shop "out of stock”
I really hate this game sometimes lol
feeling this as a pos 5 😁
Honestly this conversation is verbatim.....I remember warding the high ground spent like 300 gold said ok we just need to smoke here and wait... they are about to come in to deward this.... 10 seconds later they all walk away Area gets dewarded.... 3 people die..... WE WATCHED THEM WALK UP THE FUCKING HILL ..... BLIND!!!!! YOU DUMB FUCKs. Here you ward ... im fucking done. bro.
Us 3 dont talk like that, wdym
Also something I hate: When you just warded one side of the map and there are still objectives and the enemy does not have vision and then suddenly your team decides to go on the other side of the map for no reason and they feed because we have no vision there but the enemy does have vision followed by the enemy team dewarding all of my wards because my cores are not alive and then me being out of observer and sentry wards so I literally cant even place wards.
100% no wards in the shop or bag and the cores complain that they have no vision when they totally failed to play where there was vision and protect the wards.
THIS. I can't stress it enough since this feels like the reason we either lose or unnecessarily lengthen the game 70-90% of time. And it's sheer laziness sometimes: "I wanna farm bot cause I'm marginally more bot, even if there's terrible vision and no enemies showing". I feel like the only times a game goes well is if I spam "go top now PLS" when we have vision walking up into enemy jungle. Dota becomes a MSPaint simulator. Oh, and pressing dust, since that gives slightly better results in focusing people's attention to a tower push.
Oh, and then there's "no, let's get their offlane tier I first". No, b*tch, just go where the vision ward is, before it expires (LITERALLY EXPIRES, as in 6 minutes of wonderful vision walking up to their jungle). It's like tier II is invulnerable if you don't get all tier Is first.
The problem is some people have this mindset where they feel like they have to interact with the enemy in some way at all times, so they see all this vision top, but no enemies so they instinctually go bottom because that's where a fight will happen and they wanna be ready for a fight at all times. Usually it's one person going bot to do this, and then supports follow them to sit behind them ready for the fight, or supports go to be ready for fight and then cores assume that's where we're playing as a team without any logical critical thought whatsoever. If you go against this grain, your team will fight while you're pushing top, die 4v5 and then blame you for not being there.
All the dam time
This is an actual regular occurence !
If only Cores watch vids like these.. their ego are so huge, they never watch anything that calls them out.
Not always
The tome and pulling part was so true.
im a core i dont have a huge ego
@@plasmi8034 good for you, my carries cares more about killing than winning the match. We absolutely massacred the enemies but lost the match lol
And sometimes I have a feeling that "lower the rank, bigger the ego" 😀
may I add to the warding topic, that it's highly frustrating for a Supp to generate vision, but the team refuses to actually protect the vision, so you just lose it 1 minute later to a solo enemy Supp which could have been easily killed, if one or two cores actually protected the vision with the support.
yeah, one of the most annoying things is, your cores complains that there's no wards so you spent gold on sentries to clear that jungle and ward it. But an enemy support comes in alone and dewards it knowing you just dewarded their observers BUT your cores are too freaking busy killing the neutrals to actually protect the vision while an enemy LONE support walking in PLAIN sight clears your newly placed observer ward.
Bruh, just dont place observers on standart spots like highground, you can just place an undewardable obs and be okay with little less vision, but it will stand a lot longer. It's not carry, that should be protecting them, its your responsibility
@@kirilpetrodotov8427 actually did this, got flamed for not placing the ward on highground even when the ward still stand there
@@muhammadnaufalw1822 Depends on amount of vision that got on ladders/lowgrounds/pathways etc., but, their problem anyways, if they can't do a little minimap checks every now and then and only focus on their farm
@@kirilpetrodotov8427 I mean if they are within range and just dumbly stood over there then what the actual fuck man. I can understand if they are far away but if they are that close and focuses on neutrals instead then it's their fault.
Cores shouldn't just buy dust if they have free slots, sometimes they should choose dust over certain items that are currently eating up a slot. If you're playing against a critical invis hero post laning stage, it's worth it as a core to get rid of that quelling blade or branch for a dust. As the game goes on, it's sometimes worth foregoing a bracer/null/wb for a dust if it means killing the enemy riki instead of letting him escape.
Hmm would it break the game if they put a new slot for just dust/gem? Not sure, because super late game if slots are a problem those invis heroes become very pesky!
@@jonahjameson272 I can’t believe this was from 10 months ago. Anyway, I’ve thought of that but it might be too big a nerf to invis heroes. Maybe a dedicated spot for wards for support qol because you need those whether you’re playing against invis or not.
@@Mirrale back in my days wards didnt stack and u had to buy them by 2 at a time. now u can just hold all the wards on one slot
@@KaffeboysDru And we have backpacks too!
thanks for dc hook, noice
As a 3k supp player, I can say, most of the wards I've placed didn't do much, cause my cores see nothing anyways. They won't defend supps if the backline of the teamfight is compromised. They won't react if you tell them you've made a double/triple stack for them, and enemies will farm those stacks much sooner than your core would. They won't fall back if you tell them in voice chat they're in danger right now. The lane sentry will always be dewarded cause your core won't hold the equilibrium, he's gonna right click creeps. So Don't expect them to see the minimap. Allvision would not be enough. The only time they are gonna use wards is for the excuse of whatever mistake they did.
"Place a core a ward, and he's gonna blame you anyway when he dies. Mute him, and he's not gonna ask for wards ever again"
Confuzi.
And when the map is dark, you can be almost sure, they are either doing Roshan or waiting for you to come out, so you don't really need to see them, one scan in roshpit kinda tells you where they are.
the triple stacks is very true ive made a triple stacks in the triple camp in top jungle... next thing you know the enemy is contesting my stacks after 5 minutes later since my core is so late
Jenkins, thanks for this video, you nailed it. This is literally my every game. Not to mention the cores who buy the tome of experience on top of you sacrificing the entire early game for them to be in the advantage then they feed and complain that you did not save then when you are 10 levels or more behind.
And then complain that no-one wants to support....
❤The supports are the key towards victory and they are the ones who ensure a good farm for their carries.
Yes...but In higher ranks XD
@@parham1023 in each rank my dear.
@@alexen98 nope...in low mmr pubs supports are clueless most of the time...I say that cause I play all the roles so I know what they do wrong.
@@parham1023 agree man
jup usually supports win the games and cores think they did everything.
Best hero for devard Phanom Assasin. You just get your invisibility, and go devard. No one see it, NO ONE.
Yikes. Support PA coming bois
This brings joy to me. PA support. That's something to see.
Best hero for deward is slark. The ult informs you if there are enemy wards, ensuring you dont get ward juked and fail to catch the wards in your sentry.
@@faridsalam9521 Its been here. Ive been using it to go from Herald 1 to Divine 1. Free dewarding, 1400g aoe silver edge, long range slow. Very good 10/10
@@SuWoopSparrow I swear to god every pepega stupid strategy there's one of you I bet it's some meme lmao
2:18 is exactly what happened to me several times, and this core had 2-3 empty slots and REFUSED to buy dust, and kept on crying "only supp should buy dust" and kept flaming me, but not the other supp because he was in his party. I even explained it to him why it is better to just get at least 1 dust, but no, it felt like I was talking to a parrot.
Every carry player needs to watch this every day until they understand how Dota works... Triggeres me so much how often these things even in 5k happen with my 10k behaviorscore
I feel dust is more effective on frontliners and less on backliners, so having it on you, is not about whether someone is a support of a carry. It's more about your position in relation to the position of the invis enemy.
"Cores" - Shows the core player that carries the least.
"Supports" - Shows the support that carries the most.
100% true video, as a support player, I face all of these problems every single game pretty much, basically core players that never played a support in their life, have no fucking idea what they are talking about
Thank you, Jenkins! Played exclusively as a supp for the first 4 years, then eventually got tired of all the blaming and changed to offlane. Now I happily play both roles.
Easily one of the best educational videos on dota for a moderately experienced player. The simple breakdown of what 4/5s are supposed to do after laning alone was worth the time to watch this.
This is good. My pos 1 goes jungle after I stacked neutrals and he will give me the lane and tells me to level up. :)
dude this video is a blessing to support players, i hope more cores watch this, even supports , infact everyone and learn from this!!
I found this as one of your more helpful videos for core players, I learned a lot and am actually excited to try some of these tips.
As a 5 player this video is so true.
Hey Jenkins - Great video. As a person who started off playing core then drifting off to support main (mainly because no one else wanted to play the role), I think you hit the nail on the head. It's so frustrating playing support in lower tiers because the only thing that people consider success in 2-4K MMR is the amount of kills and having the least amount of deaths (essentially a 5's worst enemy). Anyway, I am guilty of doing some of these things. P.S Love your voice chat wheel in D2 "That is absolutely no what I was expecting" .. makes me giggle each time i hear it. Thanks for the laugh and educational video
Abrupt end to the video. Thnx for the great content as always Jenkins :D
00:53 - This happens not only during the lanings stage! If you are a support and don't know what to do, just sit behind your core. Behind your most important core during the specific period of time in your game! If you are near rosh objective, that's ursa. If you are defending high ground, it's your sniper, or arc warden. Adapt
in this case the Disruptor is pulling the creep wave, so irrelevant comment
A safe lane carry told me, a pos5, to leave him alone and not take his xp during the laning phase. I got fed up and left and the dude immediately died asking me why I wasn't helping him.
thats actually your fault. He woulvd asked u to let him soak solo XP till enemy returns to lane not to completely abandon him. Im telling you this as a support main myself. You should let your core soak solo if there is no immediate danger and come back when wave is pushing out or if u notice enemies missing
@@pranayravi9449 true
@@pranayravi9449 I don't mind leaving the lane but this was during the early game, iirc, before 5min mark.
@@FarazMazhar how does that matter? supports are stronger in early game. they only need 2 levels max to set up lane kills. If I get a kill at level 1-2 also I will leave the lane to stack creeps or pull waves. whats most important is your carry needs to get level 6 before their carry. then he goes to kill the creeps you stacked and then you can get solo XP + tomes. really good supports dont even need the catchup XP they will just gank other lanes immediately and get levels through kills.
@@FarazMazhar probably because you're leeching the exp which could help your core farm. if you only there leeching exp on the lane that the core has to ask you to leave then it is your fault.
I have been waiting for this from you for sooo long, dude! Nice one! But I certainly expect this to be a series, maybe for other roles as well or even the next chapter of deeper stuff like chain feeding and how to balance solofarm/fighting with your team for pos 1
as a 5 main, i can't love this more, Jenkins GOD preach facts!!!
hope more cores watch this AMEN
bad core: noooooo you are supposed to place the wards i have to farm nooooo
also bad core: goes exactly where there's no vision, conveniently forgets wards are free.
I really like to just shove some dust in my cores(and pos4 if necessary) inventories with my courier after checking if they have space and then pinging it in their inventories to notify them when I'm playing 5 xD that mostly fixes the invis problems :D
I did it once or twice but they are just drop it and destroy saying "not my job" or just a throw it back on a ground
It works with wards too. I sent them my wards from hell.
@@UterDemorog probably because you only did it once or twice in 2000+ games lol.
Nice video.. I am literally sending the link to this video to my cores every single time I am blamed for any of these.
I tried to explain to my cores so many times for exactly these situations, but they never listen. Maybe it is becuase I am just 2,5k shit and they are as well. I have hopes they will take it from you, Jenkins.
Sometimes I feel like I am trying to support people that don't deserve it. Supports life is hard life. However, sometimes it is really nice to meet friendly cores that actually even thank you for your job, forgive your mistakes, give advices (express their needs) instead of just flaming. So I still have hope that people are not that bad after all 🙂
GL guys, have fun, don't flame! :-)
At the lower MMRs cores not protecting the wards is infuriating. They fucking see the enemy support go into their jungle to deward and just continue hitting their neutral camp instead of stopping that shit. Blows my mind.
As a support player this is the stuff that makes me tilt. I did spend fucking gold on the wards please just hit the fucking lion
Then moments after he gets ganged by the enemy team and start a hissing fit that they have vision and we don’t, no way Sherlock, they really have vision on you? I want whose fault is it…
Man this vid makes me so happy
God bless you for this
I was not ready for the video to just end lol Sensitive content
you didn't mention the most important point for the warding section. When I ward our triangle or the enemy safelane jungle and then my cores don't go there to farm and the enemy just kills our wards for free because i'm a support and cant contest. It feels really shitty especially when my cores tp to our safelane and get ganked within 30 seconds of their tp.
All very good points well made sir. Back in the days of vanilla WoW days we used to joke about how our guild turbo-tards couldn't avoid boss mechanics and explained to them that it was like standing in front of a moving bus. Would you stand stationary in front of a moving bus? Of course not, so avoid the moving objects. Your panther in the blackness is a very good metaphor.
Funny thing is as a support player, I've already accepted my fate to die beung the first one to ward in complete darkness
Yup. Basically, we're the Expendables.
Dont bro, support life matter
guys vision is free, support is not naturally traveling through the entire map with 350 ms to place the best obs, also if they show wards in their inventory it is easy for enemy to track your support trajectory and get full information about where exactly wards were placed. If you buy 1 or 2 of those free wards you will be able to better place them (because you farm in so many places and move faster across the map) and enemies will not deward them so easily
This shit happens way to much in 5k... Blows my mind how people can be 5k but have 0 understanding of the game.
Another point with warding, there are instances when supps dont place sentries and just obs wards, leading to constant dewards and no vision. Seen it happen sometimes when you have a zeus teammate. Like they will rely all the time zeus will be the one to deward and just place obs wards.
I hope this video gets seen by all the core players out there, especially the one with the detection part, those cores that still keep quelling in place of a possible dust.
#SupportsAreHumanToo
I spectated a game a friend of mine was playing, where he was playing Centaur and was doing fine. The Jugg on his team, though, who was by far the highest farm in the game, kept complaining that Centaur should buy an AC, and that they began losing fights because of the lack of armor that AC provides.
The enemy team had a Razor, who, EVERY single fight was static linking Jugg at the start. 4 fights in a row, Jugg got static linked, made no attempt to break the link, and used Omnislashed while the static link debuff was still active. So basically, every single fight the team with the Jugg as its hard carry had no omnislash, and no damage output from his right clicks either.
Even in the post game lobby, after they'd lost, he was STILL complaining that the lack of AC on Centaur is why they lost, demonstrating he doesn't understand how Omnislash damage works, and/or he doesn't understand why static link works.
Video 9 of me asking jenkins for some dragonclaw hook
with vision being such an essential aspect of the game, I usually buy an early sod, keep it in stash until 2 to night time where I'd go solo sod or with another support and do a pre night time deep warding or close to their tier 1 tower (objectives). This gives you an early vision of enemy supports who most probably are the ones carrying wards. From then on, you only have to guess where they place their obs/sents.
It's nice seeing suppoerts getting some love, thanks man
best outro yet, number 5 was the most enlightening
Thanks for your insights Jenkins :)
As someone who hasn't played actively in years it helped me a lot to get back into it.
Even though I still suck
Best video out there highly recommend for salty calls
Finally, someone said it. Awesome Video.
Problem is - some players think they are great carry/core without realizing they are not ready yet for that.
I believe to be a good carry/core, one have to learn and be a good support first.
OMG this video should be a must watch for all Dota2 players! When winning it's pos 1 2 3 effort, when losing we support will be blamed for AT LEAST one of these situation!
Lol It teared me on your video because I as a pos4 or 5 always blamed at, like they want me to put observer wards at our triangle camp then they farm at the opposite camps or they demand me to ward the camp all alone where all enemies are missings.. And when I died they chat me feeder.. Damn. the "its the core fault" cheered me up. Ty.
Bro, thank you very much, as a support player, i felt absolute relief and pleasure watching this
Thank you! Great video, as always!
when i know certain area are warded i often asked my cores to do smoke, and go wrap around those area, most of the time the result is good, deward and some free kill, IF the core want to smoke
Hi Jenkins! I was 90% agreed with you this video contents. However, in some certain scenario cases, like my supports RANDOMLY buying all the wards/sentries and they RANDOMLY placed them in the wrong spot on the map. I would be happy if there are some extra vision/sentries on the shops, so I can help myself to place wards in mid lane for Runes control and place in the enemy jungle to farm up. It's only the case, when i'm party with my friend and play with 3 random stacks.
Thank you Jenkims!!
I had a guy flaming me and my friend for not buying wards while that same guy was instantly buying them and denying them. He even held philosophers all game.
Some people are literally so bad that they develop a scapegoat to blame for the loss while playing the game, because they know they're terrible and already are anticipating a loss.
Happened to me too one game he was a rubick player. Funniest part was he kept saying report axe (he started doing it minute 8 or something because apparently I was cutting lane and denying him xp he needed for 6 like wtf)
I feel seen. Thank you Jenkins and praise Gaben.
0:30 I think I've heard somewhere about this before that the hero who is stronger (whoever he/she is, support or core) should stay at the lane and the other one g pull. So in this case, Sven should g pull and disruptor stay the lane?
4:20 "Literally why Valve added the Tome of Experience."
Support Me: >About to buy tome
Core: Buys it for themselves.
Same core: Complains why I'm so underleveled.
Later on.
Me: Wards and dewards.
Core: Jungling where the enemy has vision.
Me: gets killed while core watches me.
Core: Insults me, calls me that I lack map awareness and "tips" me for dying
Flame war ensues.
I jus't can't with this game.
I feel number 4... I've had sooo many matches lately where my carries bitch and moan because of no vision. Only because they don't protect me when I place wards. Then in turn I lose gold to buy other items because I have to buy wards AGAIN.
tq jenkins... i feel relieve now
My biggest pet peeve as a core is when my support pulls while the equilibrium is barely outside of tower range, while I'm a squishy carry and the enemy has 2 heroes that can dive me. Even if they don't I have to tank a creep wave for no reason.
Thanks jenkins. Im saving this on clipboard and sending every core that does this
Thank you for that last point. Trying to ward your jungle alone when it's taken is the most scary thing in dota
I felt that last point in my soul. Great vid.
One reason why I like supporting one of my friends, he doesn't do any of this stuff. He's even specifically told me to try to pull both heroes into the jungle even if I feed just so he can get some cs without being harassed. But I think the big thing is just that we communicate to each other a lot when we play
Thanks Jenkins for explaining that to our friends Carrys and Core ..... I try to do it when I play but they do not listen
@3:30...is that a saucony kinvara? You run bro?
I can relate to all of the points u are making! Great Video!
Just happened in a recent game...the spectre HC was the only back in the base, while the team was out pushing top. ALL the enemies went missing and the spec still runs to the safelane OF ALL places to farm the wave then immediately complains that there was no vision. We were all like..."We were all top taking their tier 2...why would you walk out into the SAFElane with no vision then?" (which of course, become the dangerous lane when tier 1 and especially tier 2 are down which they both were in this case). Some people act like their stupid decisions are another player's fault and it's mind boggling and frustrating. I'd say something like 40-60 percent of my losses in Ranked are because of things like that. People are feeding because they are being careless and cocky.
ty Jenkins, as a support main this video rly explains it all.
Thank you Jenkins for explaining these things as some people simply have no idea what the jobs of the other roles are.
Thank you for this, cause I love it when I stack and pull for my carries only to be blamed when they die.
I also love it when they're lvl 12 and spam buying tome every 10 mins against lvl 5 supps who just wants to have his/her ult.
I also fucking love it when I get flamed and blamed that there's no vision on the map like they expect that no one out of the 2 supps on the enemy team would deward. That's why I think the Ward Scores system in League should be implemented in dota.
Best guy to learn dota from honestly speaking Jenkins is a pub fountain of knowledge 👍👍
Hey Jenkins, that's a really lovely jumper. Keep up the great content
I seriously hope cores can see this! I am a support player out of 50 games I play 49 supports and suffered all what was mentioned in this video. Man~ Sometimes I just throw the game or just don't ever help our core who's being very toxic. Also as why I only play 49 supports out of 50 game, that's single draft I have no choice but to pick a carry than to pick invoker xD! Philippines internet connection man!
you speak from the bottom of my heart about this
the way it cut off at the end made me feel like he was talking to me specifically... i promise to help my supports now?
I spammed questing from dec 2020 to march 2021 qop arcana in all lanes. Yes, if on side lanes, i go supp by blinking then warding or dewarding or blocking enemy camps. It worked
last tip "protect your 5 while warding" made me cry from happiness
I remember once a kunka getting mad at me for getting an Ultra Kill with CM's ult with IO's help, he was saying i stole the kills from him. 5 seconds before that happen he rushed 5 enemies alone and died and some how that is my fault.
I love this video, it's so wholesome, and probably gives support players everywhere confidence that their flaming carry is actually bad and it's not (100%) their fault.
Number 2 happened to me yesterday.
I always tick all roles and happened to get offlane.
We are owning until first 15 mins.
Enemy has BH and mirana I buy dust, used it and didn't buy more which I regret a lot.
I told my grimstroke and dazzle to bring dust and but they didnt buy it we lost fight because of it.
Number 3 and 4 happened a lot to me as supp.
I always told my cores that we need tower push the lanes to their side, so I can comfortably place ward. Otherwise it will get dewarded and hard to gain map control.
As a long time pos 4/5 player I just want to thank Jenkins for speaking up for us. It’s like the UNICEF speaking up for under privileged children. FYI, am playing SEA server, where most cores think they’re the silver spoon kid and needs to be pampered all the time
Yeah I am also annoyed at those Carries who dont even wanna win buying detection Items vs Mirana, Riki or other Invis Heroes.. and wards are useless u plant them down and they dont see the fvcking mini map.. man they have a blind eye towards that minimap.. been supporting and still I suck and my team even worst 4 cores 1 support.. wtf..
Best educational channel
I'm convinced that jenkins bringing up the shoe analogy was just an excuse for him to show off his new shoes.
thanks Jenkins. I needed that one.
best video on this channel. should be compulsory to watch for all dota players
I remember warding a high ground on a completely pitch black map once as a pos5. As soon as i put the observer it happens in an instant, all 5 enemy daggered in me and a freaking lion blasted me out of existence. Since then, i only pick tanks
Detection is one of the most frustrating things in dota. When you see that 40 minute quelling blade just sitting in your core's inventory and invi heroes getting away cause as a support you're not in range to use a dust or you've died already, you just want to peel the skin of your face off.
I love how this video ends, suddenly
You could also mention the space thing when you make space for your carry and he instead goes to fight solo after you're all dead from making space for him to farm. I know about low commitment thing for pos 1 in terms of kills, but what usually happens in pubs - is carries can't split push properly, your t3 gets sieged and they cosplay broodmother on the bottom while you lose your rax and eventually all your teamfight since you're 4 v 5.
And the most common thing is carries are scared to initiate in the late game when it's needed because they fear to throw the game and they end up throwing the game. Or carry waits for his team to die to collect ez kills, but he usually kills off one or two supports and feeds.
On laning sometimes as a core you need to share regen with your support if for example, he has low hp but full mana, but it doesn't happen all the time.
And sometimes there are issues with people not trying to play their role as intended or not understanding what their role has to be doing.
Sups and cores have a parent-child relationship. At the beginning the core is attached to the sups, depends on them for most everything, then they reach their adolescence and start to disregard the sup, farming where they shouldn’t, being stupidly positioned and and blaming everything on the sups when they often are the one sabotaging themselves. After comes the adulthood, where the cores are more independent and the sups are old and weak in comparison to the cores, but still essential. At this stage the cores realized how important their sups truly were and are, missing them dearly when they are no longer around or incapable of having presence. They resent the sups for leaving them alone, while they were the ones pushing them away, but when they are truly gone, all that’s left is the longing for the sups and an empty hole …where the enemy comes and buttfucks ur base.