ALBUMS THAT FANS *HATED* vol 2 (ft Green Day, Weezer, My Chemical Romance)
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I look at albums that fans hated, including A Day To Remember "You're Welcome," Weezer "Pinkerton," My Chemical Romance "Danger Days," Guns N Roses "Chinese Democracy," Morbid Angel "Illud Divinum Insanus," Bad Religion "Into The Unknown" and Four Year Strong "In No Way Shape Or Form."
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0:00 Intro
0:52 A Day To Remember, Weezer, My Chemical Romance
7:43 Guns N Roses, Green Day, Morbid Angel
13:03 Bad Religion, Four Year Strong - Розваги
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A true Weezer fan hates all their albums
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This ^
Rivers Cuomo wrote that comment
lmfaooooo
lowkey yes
The funny and ironic thing about MCR is that they were ever dubbed a genre staple when they were never really a genre band. They were a theatrical band lead by a comic book guy who brought that sense of concept, while playing with around with different genres. Bands like Queen were the same way, and they even had a sound that was easily identifiable, but they never really belonged to a genre, because their body of work was too all over the map. I enjoyed Danger Days and I love a lot of the music that served as its inspiration.
your comment is well put! Danger Days are not similar to their older albums but hey it is what it is and I love it! Glad you mentioned The Queen, they put together some pretty mediocre albums (compared to their biggest hits) that almost nobody remember to this days when they were just doing their thing trying to find what fits them the best.
I think you just explained that I've been a fan of the Theatre all along. I do operate a lot like a method actor throughout the day. I thought I was just crazy, maybe I'm just inspired.
Have to agree one thing I liked about mcr is every song sound different and it painted picture each song had a concept.
Exactly
I could be wrong but didn't Gerard say something like "My Chem isn't a band, it's an idea"? But 100% with the Queen comparison. Especially when MCR wanted their own rock opera.
The thing with each of MCRs albums is Gerard way created a whole cast of characters and a whole story like that spanned the length of the albums. He even went as far as creating an entire comic series to accompany danger days
My friend at college is obsessed with danger days lore like they have the comic books and everything
It's actually the other way around. Gerard created the comic, and then used the comic as inspiration for the album.
Yeah and that's what I think really makes Danger Days an MCR album, despite the genre change. Almost all of their albums have a really strong story (tbp, three cheers, even bullets has a lot a reoccurring themes and even started the storyline for three cheers with drowning lessons and demolition lovers) and I think it's something that's grown to define them if that makes sense. Also another neat thing about Danger Days, they wrote a whole separate EP as essentially a set piece for the world of Danger Days. It's called Mad Gear And The Missile Kid and it's not on Spotify but it was meant to be what most of the bands in the universe of DD would sound like. It's basically a punk EP
Murder Scene and Bullets/Love were concept albums? I didn't know that lol
@@screwtapee yeah they have all these complex stories behind their albums. Gerard is insanely talented, super interesting to delve into if you like the band
Always been a fan of Danger Days. I loved how much MCR experimented and changed their sound with each release
Yes!
Exactly. Fuck the haters. It’s a great album.
When I'm in a mood that only MCR will satisfy it is never the album I reach for, but outside of that context it is still a great record.
IKR, and it sucks that we never got paper kingdom especially since I've heard that it was going to be a returned to MCR's darker sound. But luckily now that MCR got back together, we could have paper kingdom come sometime in the future.
Precisely
I remember being so bummed about the reception of Danger Days at the time because I absolutely loved it. Not every single song, but I felt that way about The Black Parade too.
DESTROYA, Na Na Na, Vampire Money, and S/C/A/R/E/C/R/O/W are some of my favorite MCR songs to this day. Then again I also think some of their best stuff was in the Conventional Weapons releases so I'm probablyy not good representation of what the fans broadly like about the band.
Only showed up to defend danger days, great album
ive been listening to mcr since i was 7 years old thanks to my older brother, when danger days came out I guess my then 9 year old self didnt mind the upbeat songs. I still love the album to this day! I love all 4 of their albums, and Im glad they exist. It hurt when finn said dangers days was better off not released lmao
@@Cooldudehero123 Man I wish I had a family member who was into rock. Instead I got a mother who only listen to Christian music, a dad who only listen to Tejano music, and a sister who owns listen to pop music. What's worse is that I have heard that my aunt was really into 80s rock (like Bon Jovi), but then she stopped listening to it and now only with listens to Christian music. I could have grown up listening to 80s rock or pop with my parents and family members, but no instead I feel like I'm the only one in my family who likes rock.
@@Cooldudehero123 I first heard them in 2004 shortly before my 15th birthday. 😊
I have favorites on every record, just a solid discography overall.
Destroya is my workout jam btw. Save Yourself, I'll Hold them Back gets me through it too.
From an artistic perspective, sometimes you just need a pallet cleanse. That being said I’m not sure those pallet cleanses need to be released as albums but I get the “trying something new” from an artist perspective. Hyper critical fans should try playing the same 12 songs 180+ nights a year before they complain.
Exactly
@@ThePunkRockMBA For a future video you should do one on bands/artists that were hated back in the day, but are now beloved or are slowly now gaining respected. Also you should do a video about why having a fan base is important.
It is their job. Like every job, you do the same thing everyday. But, most bands have side acts and release different stuff with those groups.
@@toughfff712 fair point. They also get to live the dream it's hardly torture to make a living playing music. It's hard work but that's the decision they made. Beats the hell out of being a wage slave.
I always fight with the dichotomy of this. As a musician i absolutely understand why its important to explore new ideas and try new things. But as a consumer, i also see the problems with an artist abandoning what caused you to like them to begin with.
I guess in the end, nothing lasts forever. Sometimes you join a band for their journey for a few years, sometimes a lifetime
I remember reading an interview with The Offspring in the early 2000s, and they were threatening to call their next album "Chinese Democracy, You Snooze, You Lose".
That would have been hilarious
danger days is more positive with fans nowadays. i love danger days but i understand that it doesn't fit in with mcr's discography but i love it for that. danger days has better lore than black parade (especially as gerard has adapted danger days to comics which he hasn't done for the other albums). gerard's solo material builds on danger days and i feel that danger days was them being sick of emo and wanting to make the opposite especially by 2010 emo was seen as dead due to fob's hiatus and paramore/panic having interal issues leading to gaps between their albums
I don’t think they cared whether “emo was dead” or not. It’s just what they wanted to put out. It’s a highly under rated album.
It’s like “tell me your a fake McR fan without telling me your a fake mcr fan”
“I hate danger days”. = fake mcr fan.
Not saying you. Just saying fake fans hate danger days.
I see it more as them growing along with their fans in a sense, like you cant wear black forever, they added a huge splash of color to their style with DD
Terra Samantha i wasn't saying mcr thought emo was dead but that generally the perception of emo was that it was played out in 2010. danger days haters tend to be fairweather types
Honestly I didn't even know Danger days Was Hated Cuz It's so good
Idk if danger days has better lore than black parade
Sure, it has worldbuilding and characters and stuff, but the Black Parade has such a good story
Anyway, both albums are incredibly awesome
A lot of Green Day fans like Uno, Dos, Tre because it also resulted in Demolicious, the compilation of demos from all 3 albums. The sound is much less processed and contains a lot of favorites from the 3 albums.
As a huge fan of them, I agree on the last point that you could've made one long album with the best songs from all 3, and that would be seen as better by both the fans and critics.
Agreed. If they had condensed them into one long album of the best tracks from each it might have been their best album in my opinion.
Finn should have touched upon father of all MF instead.
That has some great underrated songs wish they played live more.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 he did in another video I think or he should discuss it again l.
@@ElbertTreble I know. I can’t believe they didn’t play any from it during hella mega.
i honestly view danger days as a perfect album to end their discography. they had a garage band, post hardcore style for their first album which was inspired by a tragic event. a more pop punk and bloody second album which has an awesome story behind some of those songs too. of course, the black parade, a truly stunning album considering it was a rock opera released in 2006 that was crazy popular, and then ending with the sci-fi apocalypse almost cartoon like album for danger days. their albums had different stories and fit together perfectly. hope they come out with new stuff to continue the amazingness they used to have.
if you haven’t listened to any of them, i’d suggest listening to conventional weapons (vol. 1-5)! it was written before danger days but came out after it, and a bunch of songs off them are fantastic (boy division, ambulance, kiss the ring, make room!!!!, etc). highly recommend if you haven’t listened to it, but if you have, sorry if my comment isn’t that helpful!! ^^;
p.s., there are rumors of them possibly releasing new stuff in the future, but take that with a grain of salt
I personally like Danger Days overall, and I can see how it could develop from The Black Parade if the band got less emo per sé and started getting into synths and psych rock. Still, I understand why someone wouldn’t like it. It’s certainly not perfect, and it’s not edgy in the same way. I appreciate the ambition, though, and I think it was realized quite well. Also, it’s got its darker moments, especially when it comes to the nearly inevitable deaths of the characters. It’s just not emo. It’s nerdy sci-fi stuff that can appeal to a similar Hot Topic crowd but not in exactly the same way.
Didnt Gerard say MCR wasnt emo?
Love this video. I always love diving into bands “worst albums” to see exactly why. And more often than not, there’s some very solid deep cuts on those records. Like “kids of yesterday” and “the only hope for me is you” on danger days, and “tired of sex” and “why bother?” On Pinkerton.
Why Bother is a banger. I also love El Scorcho lol but the Blue album will always be superior.
I don’t understand why Danger Days gets all the hate it does.
I thinks it’s a beautiful album with a great story behind it.
Some of their best songs are on that album.
And Pinkerton isn’t actually that bad.
Tired Of Sex Is one of the Best songs weezer has ever done
Fact
I'm glad Pinkerton has taken its rightful place as one of Weezer's best albums in the eyes of most critics and fans, even if it took 20+ years. It never deserved the hate it received, and I know the band has talked about that backlash making them not want to play those songs or revisit the album. Now, if they look back on some of the lyrics as a little cringe, I think that's perfectly normal. Most bands go through that as they get older.
It was such a good album
100% cringe and a bit creepy as some of the lyrics are I think most people deep down have felt similar, if not the same things. It certainly hit close to home for me as a depressed 18 year old. I give Rivers massive kudos for opening up like that and I still feel it's their best album by a fair distance.
OG Pinkerton fan here. It's honestly my favorite thing they ever did.
Eh, it took like 5 years for it to be recognised as a classic. People were saying "hey Pinkerton was actually great" by the time Green rolled around lol
Sadly I think the reception to the very painfully honest Pinkerton meant Rivers was done in any way expressing himself in an honest manner with his music. It’s tough to write something brutally honest and get mounds of shit for it.
As a diehard MCR fan, Danger Days was a bit of a descent from what we were used to and it took a while before I personally fully appreciated it, but there are some solid fuckin' bangers on there. 💯 Also, that album was actually their second go at the 4th record, as they scrapped the first set of songs. (Some of those would later come out on 'Conventional Weapons', but for the most part the initial album they originally had in mind and started working on was mudded.) It was also made during a time of turmoil in the band, as Bob Bryar; their longtime former drummer, left the band during the recording after a massive fallout that ended in them all signing NDAs and them having to get drums recorded by various different session drummers. Bob was only on 3 or 4 songs or something like that, on that record. So, I feel like they just wanted to shed their former image, plus the album being kinda sloppily rushed in getting finished because of Bob leaving, on top of already having scrapped the first go round at the record, I think they were on crunch time for their label to get something out. That's my take anyway.
To be honest when I first heard the album it I didnt like it but when gave it another go last year I fully enjoyed it .
Danger Days is my favorite MCR album (Three Cheers is second) and Na Na Na is their best song bar none (second best is The Only Hope For Me Is You).
Nah it sucks
I've always enjoyed some of the songs from Danger Days quite a bit, but the majority of the songs I just flat out hated when the album first came out because of the trend of a lot of punk/emo bands changing to full on pop music and looking back it feels like I treated completely unfairly because Danger Days is still way more of a rock album than the modern standard of pop music. Of course I prefer TBP, like it's not even a competition, but I have grown to appreciate Danger Days a lot more as my taste in music has evolved and become a lot more diverse. Sure I still religiously listen to Punk and Emo music, but the difference is now I'm not some stupid kid thinking that anything other than those two is complete garbage. There are still some songs I can't stand, like Scarecrow for example, but I do think it's a decent album overall. My favorite tracks from the album are Bulletproof Heart, Na Na Na, The Only Hope, Planetary Go and Vampire Money.
I've honestly always liked the danger days album, yeah it sounded a bit different from the others, but it was still my chemical romance, I thought it was really cool them writing an album based on Gerard's comic book, I don't understand fans who don't really allow artists to have any fluidity in the music genres they cover, it was quite a switch from the black parade and conventional weapons though, but an overall solid album in my opinion.
As someone who got into MCR in 2016, I was exposed to all the albums and songs. The first song I heard was Teenagers, but it flourished into listening to Na Na Na, Black Parade, Helena, Destroya, The Light Behind Your Eyes, and more. Being a late fan really influenced my views on the albums, since I never had the sweet anticipation of the new album. Nevertheless, I will always hold all MCR songs in my heart.
I love Black Parade, and I adored Danger Days, but I also like The White Stripes and the Strokes. And I genuinely believe it was a nice bookend to a pretty dark chapter both in their discography and my life.
Danger Days is criminally underrated. It’s so good. A true love letter to rock.
Right! Absolutely hearkens back to old rock songs and has a lot of blues energy. Zeppelin, Bowie and more. Especially on tracks like Destroya, Scarecrow and Vampire Money. Even Na Na Na's main foundation is a blues progression. It's a shame people looked passed it cause it wasn't emo enough.
Summertime is mcr's all the love in the world
I actually thought danger days was pretty good. Sure, its my least favorite, but its still a fun time! I feel like it might have been better received if it wasn't directly after the black parade.
I agree tbh. Worst album but still pretty nice.
Ibymb/ybmyl was my least favorite... Danger Days was fun. If you could just look at it as a different album and not expect them to top The Black Parade youd be ok. And tbh, TBP was nothing compared to 3Cheers..... just my opinion. P.S. I really liked May Death Never Stop You. EDIT: May Death: I meant Conventional Weapons. I won't delete that... my stupidity deserves the light of day.
@@toddself5838 as much as a love Bullets, I think objectively it's fair to call it their worst. They were still so green and hadn't really developed their own sound yet. I have a ton of love for that album (Early Sunsets Over Monroeville is my forever fav) but Danger Days is much more fleshed out. Not even just from a production standpoint, but songwriting and concept as well.
@@oddmnemosyne2869 YES! The concepts behind TBP and DD were totally different and the production was more forefront easily. Now, will anything top the aesthetic vs euphoric sound of "Helena"? I dont think so (not in their catalog)..... but MCR got better and better in my opinion.
@@oddmnemosyne2869 I agree on your opinion on Bullets. I love some of their songs but they're my least favorite. They still sounded really amateurish, but still great for a start.
Downfall Of Us All is one of those songs that always gets me singing along. Homesick is a fucking brilliant album.
Bruh are you kidding about Danger Days? I'm glad it had the gargerock revival element in it. Which was perfect because it was around the time I got sick of generic pop punk replicas (MCR were never that to begin with) and started getting into the doors, Velvet underground, the strokes, the vines, Oasis, Blur, Bowie and so on. Honestly I could hear all of that in Danger Days. Especially Bowie. So, I loved Danger Days and I loved the so called 'garage rock revival'. Even the Vines 'Highly Evolved' and 'Wining Days' are great two albums. Also I was always a big fan of Green Day, Blink, MCR growing up. I found I was lucky to have the opportunity to live in a time where all these things were happening.
danger days was the best thing that happened to me in 2010
@@prepare_for_trouble_and_ma7750 preach
I genuinely loved St Anger when it came out (just the song not the full album) and i slowly realised i should keep my mouth shut about it 😂
I still remember a guy on the Harmony Central guitar forums posted a parody of this song back when it came out... Super fizzy guitar way in the background, and snare drum that was a steel trash can lid loud as shit in the foreground and lyrics that included " Complex just like justice..."
I still have this on an ancient ipod somewhere....
Thought I was the only one who liked that song.
The song is actually a banger imo. The album… otherwise.
I love 75% of the songs on that album. The only Metallica I’ll listen to these days honestly
It was garbage, but if you like it you like it.
I’ve always liked dangers days album it wasn’t the same as three cheers for sweet revenge or the black parade albums and I definitely liked less songs than both those albums but it was a good solid album in my opinion
Same. I expected the same dark emo style but when now In hindsight I really like the more upbeat sound side of them
DD was their best album in my book.
Danger Days was a great pop rock album, but MCR was more known for their more pop punk/post hardcore sound. If they would have made danger days a pure pop punk record instead of a pop rock record, I think the album would have done better with older fans
@@SomethingRad that’s true but I give credit to them for making such a drastic change after coming from their original sound. Tbh it just seems like they got really into anime or something and wanted to incorporate it. But I don’t know I wasn’t in the band lol
@@SomethingRad I love you videos!
Danger Days was a fun album just because i really like concept albums where the music is the whole story. i became such a fan of the series that i now own every copy and variant of Killjoys: National Anthem. Danger Days was a stepping stone for a bigger story being told
What was the comic book about?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 well there’s 2. Killjoys: California continues off where the music videos left off. and National Anthem is a complete reboot that ignores the album entirely. California is about avenging the Killjoys and freeing everyone from BLI. while National Anthem is about getting over the past and killing what ruined the present. both stories are great in their own way but National Anthem is by far my favorite
Agreed. I love Danger Days
I love Danger Days so much. It has inspired me to write some of my stories. I have never found another album with such a great post apocalyptic theme.
I appreciate MCR for changing their sound pretty much every album! That’s fucking hard to do man.
I knew Weezer would be included, but Make Believe is the album where they went full Arena/Radio rock and most fans hated it, myself included. In retrospect I understand why they did it; why shouldn’t a band try something more commercial for a change? To be fair it did expand their fanbase significantly
Finn I've been curious about something for a while and I think it would make a cool video.
Often when a band with ties to the underground in metal or hardcore gets poppier, it becomes really polarizing. Some people just straight up hate it and others say "Yeah it's not great, but it's going to get kids into hardcore. It's really going to open people up to underground music."
But to me, it seems that the young people who like new stuff by Code Orange, Turnstiles, etc won't be looking for more extreme stuff. They'll just look for more of the poppier stuff.
Definitely would be curious to hear your thoughts on the idea of going mainstream to be a gateway drug to extreme music. 🤔
I haven't heard someone bring up that Bad Religion album in foreverrrrrr. I even forgot it existed! Lol.
Thanks for your fair comparison to all these albums on the list. Hope you have a Happy New Year 😊!
I remember when that MCR album was dropped, my inner emo kid died that day lol. Good video as usual my man
For volume 3 of this list you have to include Panic! at the Disco's second album Pretty Odd. I've grown to appreciate it now but when I was a kid and it came out, it was NOT a sequel to A Fever You Can't Sweat Out
In regards to MCR:
Personally, I love al their albums, including Danger Days. That album was such a departure from the Black Parade, mostly due to the band’s overall mental and emotional health during the touring of TBP. All of their albums are concept albums, with BP dealing with sickness and death, they basically lived that album in their daily lives, which I think would take a toll on anybody living it that long, nonstop. For fans that aren’t in that world 24/7, it’s easy to want more. For the band, it was the opposite. Danger Days was intentionally meant to be the opposite so they could be happy and explore musical interests without being actually depressed. For that, I respect them and think they did a great job delivering with their intentions.
At the risk of rambling, for those interested, Danger Days spawned a short-lived comic book series detailing the events of the album, called “The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys” written by Gerard Way.
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I agree, i got into weezer around 2001 and pinkerton never seemed that out of place to me.
I can’t believe he chose Uno, Dos, Tre over Father of All. I love the trilogy personally super nostalgic for me.
Couldn't agree more. Dos has some great tunes imo
Yeah dude Father of All is…. So bad hahaha
@@TambourineSalesman i think it's a black stain over their discography unlike the trilogy which has great power pop songs
My first Entombed album was "To Ride, Shoot Straight & Speak The Truth" and I still absolutely love that album to this day. It was interesting to find out that Entombed fans hated that album, because even though it's different from their death metal past, holy crap it really rocks.
ADTR - You're Welcome is easily the worst album i've ever heard from an artist that I love. Took them 5 years just to spit in their fans' faces, absolutely horrendous
Agreed haha
I actually don't think it's as awful as people say. It's got some pretty good tracks but it's definitely a step in a wrong direction for them.
Pinkerton has a lot of very questionable incel-esque lyrics but I don't feel like your description of pink triangle was fair. It's not that he wants a lesbian to love him. It's about him getting feelings for a girl and finding out she's a lesbian.
Danger Days is an album close to me. Summertime, The Only Hope for me is You, and SING are songs that remind me of better times from specific memories in my life. Definitely not the best album but still my favorite
I definitely took me a bit to warm up to Danger Days. It's hard not to love it now though, seeing how much Gerard obviously loves the album and the concept.
Finn, I love you (no homo). I'm so glad that you agree with me on My Chemical Romance's discography being better off without Danger Days. It's actually more of a unpopular opinion nowdays, because most of the fans embrace that album. I way prefer their stuff before that album, and even the outtakes from that album (Conventional Weapons) are better than the album itself. I will always prefer the bands Post-Hardcore sound on I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love over everything else.
P.S You're channel is great and you are one of my favorite UA-camrs.
Thank you!
I’m a humongous MCR fan. I love all their albums but I’d say Danger Days is the weakest… conventional weapons is amazing
Oh man. I brought popcorn for the comments
Same. They are getting spicy 🥵
The thing with MCR is that with each album you see them mature. Danger Days is such a mature album compared to the last 2 and no to even how much more they grow up in the Conventional Weapons songs.
Pinkerton is famous for going certified platinum in 2016- twenty years after it's release.
It's fantastic in my eyes
I honestly keep forgetting that 'In Some Way, Shape or Form' exists. Love FYS, but it's like my mind has erased that record from existence.
I think I'm the only person on earth who's ok with the production of Uno/Dos/Tré. I think it worked for what I wanted the albums to be - a power pop Green Day album (as in _one_ album, because of course I only listened to everything after Uno until I had 14 favourite songs and I could create my own custom playlist)
It actually doesn't sound that bad but I also listen to all types of music
As someone who has been an MCR fan since I was 11 years old, I LOVE Danger Days now. It took a little bit to grow on me. Now I literally listen to songs from that album every day. I’m not a depressed teenager anymore. Songs like Summerime and The Kids From Yesterday make me cry. It’s just a good album.
When the song Basket Case came out it changed my life. As a kid I enjoyed music, but I wasn't a "fan" of anything. I never had the slightest interest in learning an instrument or learning to sing. When I heard Basket Case and then got ahold of the Dookie album, everything changed for me. I was still in elementary/primary school at the time, but Green Day were the band that ignited my love for music. Probably the first band I became obsessed with. Everything from their music and lyrics to their image really spoke to me, despite being like 12 years old. I began playing guitar a year or two later and eventually developed as a singer. I almost never listen to Green Day anymore (I'm just into different types of rock oriented music), but their Lookout releases and the Dookie album have aged like fine wine. Dookie sounds just as vibrant as it did in 1994. A perfectly written, performed and recorded album. Legendary.
while i agree that danger days is by far not as strong as three cheers or black parade, i disagree about there not being anything that says mcr about it and that in fact not any other mid 2000 garage rock revival band could have made it: gerards storytelling in the lyrics and the whole concept is what screams mcr in my eyes. the music videos, the costumes, the dystopian world being described here...
I fully agree with this.. love the concept and while it's not their best album over all, i don't think it has any bad songs
Pinkerton is a classic! It’s weird how critics have more praise for it years after they gave the album poor ratings in 1996.
A bit similar to someday came suddenly by attack attack. Hated at the time but loved now.
Just found the channel and subscribed. Really enjoy this Guys videos into bands, trends, and fan politics. I think smashing pumpkins Mellon collie to follow up adore would make his list here . Will Punk Rock MBA give any mention to the pumpkins in one of his videos ??
Great video as always.I learn a lot from you and its great you are sharing all this information with us.Thank you and see you in 2022.Hope you are having a great time and wish you lots more success in 2022! :)
You too!
@@ThePunkRockMBA :)
I enjoy the Green Day trilogy and I'm glad it was made. Honestly for me even the worst songs on those albums are better than anything from Green Day's newest album Father of All, which felt half arsed and screamed to me: lets get off our major label so we can do whatever we want! Which Billie Joe pretty much said as much in an interview. Kinda hoping you were going to call that one out over the trelogy since its more recent and most Green Day fans don't really like it...
i hate that you're right, i thought uno dos and tre were bad, but father of all is a new breed of horrible.
I agree with you on that but also I don't think FOAMF was necessarily bad, just not at all them which is where it seems to cause trouble. If you're looking for rock you're not gonna go to that album but if you're a pop/indie fan you may actually enjoy that album quite a bit
I love this quote from Gurewitz about Into the Unknown: "I was doing a lot of acid at the time but Greg was totally straight. I don't know WHAT he was thinking!"
Some of the best music ever made was made on acid. This was one of those times
I've been watching a ton of your videos lately, and this is the first time I've heard you mention Four Year Strong.
Coming off of Enemy of the World, another one of those 10/10 masterpieces for the genre, In Some Way was definitely an adjustment. But, that album does have some bangers, and considering the direction they've been moving in, I definitely enjoy the album today.
Just went and saw them a month ago with New Found Glory, and they killed it even with some of their newer stuff which isn't my favorite.
My Chemical Romance fans I think still liked Danger Days but certainly not as much as Black Parade. I like it more, but MCR is a lot like AFI in that they always switch it up album to album
In A Day To Remembers defense, I saw them live a couple months ago and every song they played off the new album actually sounded pretty amazing!
people who dont like danger days have a crowd and consistency mentality, like i get that bands fall off and start sucking but THIS WAS NOT THE CASE THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING NEW and they probably dont understand how gerards creative brain works- like every single album is a story, not a personal story but a narrative. and i dont think alot of pea brains who just want to listen to "emo back when it was good" will ever understand that.
**also an artist doesn't owe you their "brand" so stfu
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JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE SOMETHING DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT GOOD
I actually do like Chinese Democracy quite a bit BUT...I was also not old enough to experience their heyday so what was a 10+ year wait for most was like 2 years for me. Had it not taken so long to come out and was billed as an Axl Rose solo album instead (which it pretty much is), I think it would be looked on at least somewhat more fondly.
Stop, i loved that Weezer album 😥
I'm surprised you opted for the Trilogy of GD albums. Yes, some of the songs on there are not as good as others from the GD catalogue but this band also releases Father of All... which is truly terrible. I understand their reasons for writing it but it was shockingly bad compared to Trilogy.
Yeah I was expecting Father of All to be the pick there. Even the cover art on that one was vomit inducing.
Me too, I like the trilogy a lot, maybee Dos! No so much but I love Uno! and Tré! In other hand we had Father Of All, by far the worst Green Day record ever and thats a fact, only 4 good songs in there, you can see that album sucks with only see the cover.
Father of All… isn’t that bad, I mean most of the songs suck but they tried. They’re just experimenting, having fun, y’know?
I wouldn't say Father of all is terrible but the Trilogy is way better than this one.
I love the Trilogy
Tbh I thought he's gonna go for Warning because similarly to Pinkerton as it's now a total fan favorite but back in the day people didn't like it.
I'd be interested to hear your take on La Dispute one day, they kind of exist in genres you've talked about but never been at the forefront. Love your videos, they helped me understand my own confusing childhood of nu metal, pop punk, and eventual mall emo 😂 thanks for making consistently good content! Fuck what the haters say, make shit about emo rappers, I'm here for it.
FYS is far and away my favorite band of all time. I don’t really have a tiered listing, but if I did they’d be at the top by a mile. Loved to hear you finally mention them but maybe in the future could it not be on “worst albums” video hahaha
tbh i really love green days trilogy bc it kind of seemed like their manager was like ‘put something out’ and they were like okay here’s some demos and they went with it. I don’t think any artist owes the world more work whether they put out an iconic album or not. I know that’s how artists make a living, but I think by now ppl should understand that $$ is fruitless to humanity and art
Uno Dos Tre has some bangers. You can make a great Green Day playlist out of the 3 albums.
It’s a big step back from the 2 albums that come before. However, I would say it’s better than the album the came immediately after (Revolution Radio).
One hot take I have: I do think Father of All is a better album than Uno Dos Tre or Rev Rad. Father of All is finally the album Green Day wanted to make after American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown.
Yeeeaaahhh Uno Dos and Tre aren’t good because there is so much filler and bad lyrics, and Revolution Radio isn’t the best either but Father or All is by far the worst thing they’ve ever done. It’s them trying to sound like modern alternative and failing.
Hell yeah thanks for showing Four Year Strong some love! Much respect for looking into their new stuff 🤘
Morbid Angel are my all time favourite DM band. I don't have a tattoo but I do have a guitar pick I got from Trey at a show on the Gateways tour. In interviews with David Vincent and the others from that time, it's suggested that Trey was the one who pushed for the experimental stuff. It's such a weird album because the industrial elements sound specifically like early '90's industrial metal, the font on the cover is even the same one Front Line Assembly used on Millenium.
A misstep album that sticks out for me is Transgression by Fear Factory. One of my favourite bands, and the album has some cool songs. But half the tracks don't sound like FF, and the production doesn't really suit the songs that are more traditional FF songs. If they dropped the filler and covers, and remixed the remaining songs Transgression would be a killer EP.
I totes get bands wanting to do something new after a long time with a certain a sound or aesthetic though. It must be just as gutting for them when people don't dig the new work the artist is so excited about.
I always dug that Four Year Strong album. In fact, I'd say that was the one that elevated me from casual listener to fan. IMO, if that label knew how to market that kind of music, and it had been heard by the right listeners, FYS could/should have gotten huge. Brain Pain (most recent) is definitely the best thing they've done, though.
They are my favorite band and I agree 100% it was the first album we’re they dropped the synths. It was a weird time for them. As time goes on I really have started to enjoy that album. Brain pain is a straight up banger of an album but I think ride or die trying will always hold a special place in my heart
i've always adored danger days, how could anyone hate such a clever and electric album? the reception always disappointed me because of how well it was made
Exactly.
It felt like people didn't bother listening to it at all because it was less dark, labelled it as "pop" and just decided it was shit.
It's different but it's beautifully made and has so much though behind it.
Another album that fans hated was Lights and Sounds by Yellowcard. I’d love to hear your thoughts on that album. It also would be interesting to hear what you have to say about Amo and That’s The Spirit by Bring Me The Horizon as those two albums I feel like are the most polarizing. Personally I love That’s The Spirit but I struggle hard with Amo. My friend loves Amo and can’t stand That’s The Spirit.
I really love this series. The thing that stands out to me is what causes the hate the most is disappointment and not meeting expectations. For example it’s been four years and My Chem has a new album coming out!!! Yay we are getting welcome to the black parade two!!! Nope it’s nothing like that.
I didn’t like the singles from You’re Welcome. (I also thought it was a pompous title). So I had low expectations for the album. I did not like the album. I don’t think the album is for me and that’s okay. They tried something different and they will know if it worked or not.
Honestly I feel bad for some bands that get huge off one record because now the fans want more of that one record and if the artist does that they get destroyed by critics for doing the same thing again. If they change the fans hate it because they “sold out” or changed too much. I think Bring Me The Horizon got destroyed so much for constantly changing but now they’ve done it so much that it’s expected and people have kind of moved past it. At least that’s how I see it.
Four Year Strong hate In Some Way Shape or Form. They recorded with David Bendeth and he has this savior complex and would try to cause problems between Alan and Dan. They almost broke up after the record came out. I’m glad they didn’t break up. Brain Pain was a great album.
I enjoyed Lights and Sounds! I feel like the song Sure Thing Falling is massively underrated and is my favorite track off of that album and one of my most favorite Yellowcard songs.
Brain Pain was easily my favorite record of 2020, but I might just be biased because I love FYS
@@jakethemajikdog369 my album of 2020 was Brave Faces Everyone by Spanish Love Songs. Brain Pain was in my top 10 though. Such a great record!!
@@kurdtjohn I think it’s a super underrated album. It’s not appreciated by the fans because they wanted Ocean Avenue 2. They got something different and it wasn’t received well.
Once that Morbid Angel song started playing I blurted out "Oh no, no". I was a huge Four Year Strong fan(IDK if I'll ever get over missing a 2009 show of theirs with Set Your Goals, Polar Bear Club, Fireworks, and A Loss for Words) and that album really killed my enthusiasm for the band. In hindsight, it was an awkward transition album towards their 2014-15 releases.
Dude I am one of those late fans of MCR that actually started religiously listening to them after discovering Danger Days. That was the very first album that I listened to fully (not just for MCR but in music as a whole), then I got to the Black Parade, Revenge, and the Bullets. I do see why older fans hated it, some with unbiased reasons that actually make sense in writing music, but I can also see that it was over hated just because they were it was a different sound.
Low rating on Pinkerton. It was much better than what critics thought, but not a masterpiece. Also “ incel energy” is a stretch, but I get that it’s kinda your thing to point that out.
Oh man, those whoa-oh'oh's in that ADTR song felt I was like being shot through the soul 😂
I always read them making Uno! Dos! Tre! As a way to get themselved out of their record contract by pooping out 3 albums
I never understood the hate for Pinkerton, never knew about it, in fact, before the internet. Back in the day everyone around me considered that record just as good as the the blue one. I still listen to it sometimes. Now those ones from Green day, I get. For a long time I thought they were some sort of bootlegs.
Keeping it Real, Danger Days to me feels like that emo kid growing up and is more open to alot of feelings and emotions and colors. Alot of Art cam be made straight out of Black and white but with more colors its creates more depth and more realistic ideals.
you should've also included the latest album by a perfect circle :( I love them but it wasn't great to say the least.
Watched this video for Green Day - GD was my intro to 90’s alt/punk and I was a super fan who followed them religiously. 21st Century Breakdown felt like the band growing and making deep, well produced songs. When Uno dropped I was thrilled…. Until I listened to it. You really hit the mail on the head: half-assed songs with a couple decent ones that should have been boiled down to one album at most.
Also a huge fan of My Chem, and I loved Danger Days, but it /was/ a departure from Black Parade so I understand why it wasn’t for some people. I think Gerard Way was in a much better place than he was for Black Parade, and spending a lot of time working on his comics, then making an album that reflected his comic style and newfound joy more so than his previous albums.
I was in 6th grade when I heard weezer. And it was Pinkerton and my cousin had it. So that was my introduction to the band (cause I was like ten or eleven). And I loved the album even tho the hindsite -i obviously didn’t even understand the lyrics of pink triangle or anything. But I loved that album none the less even as a kid. And I didn’t hear the blue Album for a few years. And I thought say it ain’t so and in the garage. And the last song were cool but couldn’t get into their up beat happy songs so I was really bummed out when the green one came out. Cause the only weezer I ever knew was Pinkerton -it was the only one I ever listened to a lot on the way to school- so I was bummed out that it was the outlier cause I loved the way it sounded as a kid. And nowadays I can’t say without bias - but I still love it - although it’s probably a nostalgia thing cause I remember my cousin driving me to school back then listening to it. And nowadays I love the first record. And actually like Maladroit. But none of the other records really do anything for me.
And MCR the only record by them I personally liked was the one with Helena. I loved that record. But had no interest in black parade.
It’s kinda like Thursday and taking back Sunday I loved full collapse and tell all your friends. But then their next albums just didn’t do anything for me. But Thursday and TBS completely got me into screamo and emo and whatnot so I owe them a ton of respect.
100% agree with Guns N Roses. Appetite is what got me into guitar. Chinese Democracy was such a fail.
Uno, Dos, Tre are just so hard to listen to and I think they’re just filler content. Nothing about them stack up to the rest of their discography.
“Filler” is a great way to describe them.
CD isn't that bad, more of a solo act, new gnr should be alright though
@Roberto Vidal Garcia I think Shacklers Revenge was solid. Killer guitar solo.
I actually kind of liked Chinese Democracy. I think if it was released under an Axl Rose solo project the reception wouldve been a lot better. It sounded nothing like a GnR album though so I get the hate. Its by no means a great album, but its decent in my opinion. Maybe its just nostalgia for me though since I was in like 8th grade when it came out.
Chinese democracy is good. Your right it should of just been an axl rose solo album. I like gnr but they are way overated anyways.
@ghost mall ok fine. GNR is a rehashed Aerosmith band. Use your Illusion 1&2 is mostly filler, it should have been one album. Appetite is the only album good all the way through. Lies sucks and Spaghetti Incident is a cover album. GNR was huge for 5 years, a flash in the pan before theyre meltdown. If Slash didnt wear that top hat no one would think he was a good player.
There were studio leaks and live performances of some of the songs that would later come out on Chinese democracy floating around the internet in the early 2000s on Napster and limewire that were better than what actually ended up on the album.
I think the reason GnR’s Chinese Democracy is considered bad is because it’s not the sound the fans were used to or expecting. I think if a smaller band put it out, it would have been considered a good album.
I love Danger Days. Every single song in it. It's all fire!!💯
Agreed🤘🏻
Unpopular Opinion: I was a HUGE fan of My Chemical Romance until they released The Black Parade. the songs just didn’t hit the same way for me, and I honestly stopped listening to them shortly after. it sucks cause they were one of my favorite bands, and everyone considers it a critical masterpiece. it just sounded too pop rock for me personally. The first 2 albums just can’t be beat IMO
When it first came out I really wasn't that into The Black Parade either but I really appreciate it now. Still a couple songs I don't care for but I see why it's their most popular record and in many ways their strongest.
I didn’t really like The Black Parade when it first came out either. I wanted more of Bullets and Revenge and was disappointed when I didn’t get that. There were songs that I really liked, like “Famous Last Words”. But for the most part it didn’t hit the same way. I even had Danger Days ranked higher than it for a long time. About 10 years later my perspective changed a bit. Objectively, I do think it’s their best album but still not as good as the first two.
You should check out a Spanish band called Dover, which are considered to be the Spanish Nirvana. They broke in 1997 with a tiny independent label and end up selling around a milion copies of their "Devil came to me" (which, in Spanish standards and for an independent label, is a record). They signed up for EMI and launched 3 more very good albums (2 of them recorded with Barret Jones) but in 2006 they change genere and started to make electro-pop, which was a radio success but it cost them their fan base. Somehow I was hoping to see them in this video 😅. In any case, I believe they're a good band, so take a listen to their early material. It would be wonderful to see them in your chanel. Maybe when you decide to make a video about European pour taste in music 😜
I honestly do not like when bands change. Sometimes personally my favorite artists are short lived or have few recordings. Chuck Berry never changed, Sex Pistols were short lived and I prefer Ritchie Valens over all three who were a part of the music dying...
On a more positive note, when a music style “changes” i usually go to the first wave of another. Punk was to my liking the most around 1977, don’t care for hardcore too much so I’ll listen to 80s rap.
After rock n roll died feb 3rd 1959 I go towards Doo wop of the early 60s and Motown... but that’s me.
Great video.
It's funny, I personally don't remember the backlash for Uno Dos Tre upon release. I was actually happy because after 21CB I wanted a more uplifting album (which I got with Uno). There is one song of the whole trilogy I don't really like and just bear with when playing Dos, but otherwise I enjoyed it.
It's interesting to see the perspective now. But I'll admit I am indeed a fanboy and enjoy all of their music, yes even the new one that only has ONE classic Green Day song, and a bunch of loose garage rock, a 50s doo wop song, a reggae song, and a pop song with sampled music xD
the comparison to Kerplunk put a smile on my face tho because that's my personal favorite of their albums
In defense of Danger Days: it's not MCR, it's Gerard Way. he is a comic book nerd through and through and the album taps into his real creative muse. i personally like it, but I'm weird like that, i even like Smashing Pumpkin's Zeitgeist xD
Genuinely surprised at the pick of the trilogy over “father of all” for green day. Never understood how anyone can hate FoAM as much as they do and then be so casual about their dislike of the trilogy. I guess the hate will prolly die down once it’s not their newest album, and then the cycle continues
Personally I like most of the Trilogy and I do like FOAM. Certainly not my favorite albums but there's gold in there
Father of All was so terrible they were going to play their title song on their Hella Mega Tour and then they just gave up post pandemic
I do like foam and the trilogy quite a lot, but I think the trilogy should have been condensed into 1 album, especially because they could've just released the whole Dos album (minus that Nightlife song) as 2nd Foxboro Hot tubs album. The same goes with Father of all, which would have gotten way less hate if it was an Foxboro Hot tubs or The Longshot album. Like the second The Network album they did which was way worse imo but people took it way less serious anyways.
@@maximilianbarteder9311 if people knew i actually liked Nightlife, I'd get clowned on so hard by fans
@@unshakensalsa6220 nah, if you like it, you like it, what's there to clown on? 😂
Pinkerton is not only my favorite Weezer album, it's legit one of my top 10 favorite albums of all time. Love that record.
If you'll do a part 3 of this, I have another album, that could make the list. Music from "The Elder" by Kiss. While I personally like the album, I can understand, why fans just hated it back when it came out. It just wasn't the right album for the band. It wouldn't be right if they released while at the top, and it was even a bigger misstep at the time when it came out.
To put more in perspective: Prior to this record, Kiss released two very pop/disco oriented albums, which alienated their hardcore fans. While Dynsaty still sold platinum, Unmasked only sold gold, and with the exception of Eric Carr's first show the band did not even tour for that record in States, only in Europe and Australia, where these albums were better received. Following the Unmasked tour, Kiss announced that their next album was going to be a straight-up, kick-your-ass rock record, raising hopes of the old fans, that just did not like Dynasty/Unmasked.
And they actually started writing songs like that. But then they got Bob Erzin as a producer. While Erzin already produced masterpiece album Destroyer, in early 80's he just wasn't in his right mind, likely due to drugs. He convinced Paul and Gene to instead make a prog rock concept album, that would show everyone (especially critics, that never liked them), that Kiss weren't just "three-chords wankers", but "true artists". Ace and Eric hated making that record and instead wanted to do a proper hard rock album (as they initially planned on), but as Eric had no say in the matters, Ace got outvoted by Gene and Paul. And so the album was recorded, in complete secrecy.
Then, in November 1981, it finally came out. And Kiss (well, Paul and Gene) quickly realized their mistake, when instead of universal praises that they were expecting, they got an universal "What the fuck is this?" from just about everybody. The fact, that the anachronistic tracklist (a result of label's decision to put "single-pontential" songs as first tracks on each sides) made the already vague story look even more random, did not help, although I don't think it would fare that much better if it was released with the correct tracklist.
I love Danger Days to be honest its my 2nd favorite that MCR has made. I love it when bands try different things then they usually do and do it well. Everyone is just salty they didnt get emo cry fest part 2
100% agreed
Well I agree with your danger days opinion I will take 0 Black Parade slander
I actually liked the four year strong album
Missed you dawg glad to see you back. Hope your holidays went well
Dude, you cut off the Shackler's Revenge chorus right before it kicked in! Chinese Democracy is underrated, even with Axl's eccentricities...perhaps especially.
Tired of sex was the most weezer sounding song weezer has ever done. there I said it
You're Welcome grew on me so hard. It went from "ummmm" to my most played album of the year. It's not perfect, and there's plenty of nonsense, but I genuinely love listening to it. Even "Viva la Mexico"...mostly when Im just spinning the entire thing. And "Resentment" is easily my top song of the year. Homesick got me into them, but I never mind when my favorite bands do what they want to do. And this album sounded like they were doing what they wanted to do. It doesn't remove "Right Back At It Again" or "All Signs Point to Lauderdale" from any playlists, just adds more songs to them.
Every time I listen to Viva la Mexico I remember ADT interview where they talk about jet skiing in Mexico. A sting ray hit and bounced off Neil's jet ski and he yelled "that's for Steve Irwin"
@@kevinkessler2024 Ha! That song...not their best by far, but when you're driving down a back road in Kentucky and it pops on...oddly fun to listen to.
I think the problem with Green Day's trilogy is, that it didn't deliver on what the band promised: Instead of the three distintively different albums of poer pop (Uno, which is the only one that actually sounded like it was intended), garage rock (Dos) and - I think it was supposed to be arena rock - (Tre), we got three albums that obviously sounded almost identical, recorded in the same sessions, with the same producer at the same studio. If the band would have chosen to work with three different producers in three different studios that would have been far more interesting.
Loved danger days from the first time I heard it.
Bands have the right to reimagine themselves and explore creatively.
Yes DD wasn't as dark as the other albums but this is what they wanted to make, and it is a beautiful album, that was well written both lyrically and melodically.
Also looking at band interviews from that time you can see how tired they were from TBP. They were touring this dark harsh theme in very theatrical shows for 2 years and it got depressing.
Saying that their discography will be better off without it is just wrong on so many levels, especially if you saw those songs live. They have SO much energy, and in the new tour the fact that they combine 3 cheers, bullets, TBP, conventional weapons and DD creates this amazing equilibrium.
Also, speaking very specifically about myself, I love when a band has different styles of albums that allow you to listen to them on many different occasions. There are a lot of strong emotions related to each album, and sometimes when you are having an amazing day and wanna listen to MCR, demolition lovers or sleep are just not fitting.