For the room you cut, you don’t need to cast Spiked Corridor first. You can just cast it for 4 and get Torture Pit right away for the +2 damage effect making the huge stack of 1 damage pings all into 3 damage each. For rooms you can play either side and then open the other door later.
Cutting spiked corridor is wild. Giving you 3 expendable blockers that do exactly what this commander wants to do is incredible. Even if you only unlock one side of it, it’s still uncuttable from this deck
Agreed. In fact, leaning more heavily into tokens for an aristocrat strategy (and Skullclamp) is a very viable strategy. 1/1 devil tokens that deal one damage on death lend themselves very well to this.
Spiked corridor for me is uncuttable. Tripling the clock on opponents is incredibly powerful. The flexibility also can’t be ignored if you need blockers
super strong card, that cannot be removed as easy, as creatures. And the devils are also good in this deck, one dead blocker for one ping, to trigger our commander!
There are so many ways to go with this deck. I always like this Archetype you could add oppression, ank of Mishra, Underworld dreams and Disrupt Decorum this is mostly for when you are clearly the arch enemy. Stax in rakdos is the stax that ends games.
I know it’s a precon and all, so they don’t want to include too many spicy lands, but I don’t really get why people would run evolving wilds or terramorphic expanse in 2 colour decks. That land is coming in tapped either way, so you might as well just run another tapped 2 colour land instead?
@@NeverShoutScoty by one card out of 99. That rally doesn’t make much of a difference, certainly not the point it’s worth sacrifice either an untapped basic, or having a dual colour land.
@@NeverShoutScotyI’d rather scry or surveil than simply thin my deck by one. It’s much more impactful by helping consistency e.g making land drops or avoiding them
Both of these were in my wants list. There are so many good cards to add for this deck but didnt want to cut to many of the original precon cards. - Steven
I actually don't mind Lord of Pain being removed in this upgrade video. Honestly you'd want to run it with Obosh and the Face Commander has an even CMC, so I think removing it was a good idea.
Solphim Mayhem Dominus, Fiery Emancipation, and City on Fire all went into mine for that additional pinging, also my Sheoldred the Apocalypse finally found a true home with this deck. Cutting Vial and LoP as well as the room, is nuts. Those cards are great in this deck. Also Obsidian Fireheart and Emberwilde Captain I feel are good for this deck. Kinda surprised you left Barbflare Goblin and Enchanters Bane in, IMO those cards just suck and are some of the first that need to go.
It feels more like a sidegrade. It doesn't necessarily feel like it's making the deck that much better, but it is leaning into a more specific strategy
Overall too many unmotivated changes. Creeping Bloodsucker has no synergy, Mind Crank is only upside for your opponents, since youre not a dedicated mill deck and cutting Lord of Pain is kinda iffy. But I like the add of Smoke, didnt think of that card.
Really surprised you removed braids and Kaervec! Especially Kaervec! That card is going to bomb pods ! Put a butcher of malakir in (butchered the name) sac any token or chump creature you get and start playing control
this deck creates barely any tokens its just not reasonable to be fragmented int the strategy. Braids goes hard in decks like the new squirrel precon but this one aint it. It's a small and efficent board state we will have. While I disagree with some other cuts (such as lord of pain, kaervek etc) braids I think is right.
I feel like you could have had more room in your budget if you swapped out copper tablet for barbed wire, its a fraction of the cost, only costs 1 more and you can stop it from hitting yourself.
@@GuysThatMagic no that's ok, it actually just makes me more interested in the end. It's definitely appreciated that you do something a little extra for them! I still love your content I've followed you for a while now and you always show interesting deck techs, your Captain N'ghathrod is still my favorite as I'm just a massive mill fan, although I'm excited I may just jump onto your Patreon as I would love to still see your ideas! And Rakdos burn is a big interest of mine, please don't take offense to my rude behavior I do apologize for that
Hes takeing out some of the better cards like lord of pain. And hes putting in cards that deal dmg on his turn. Valgavoth is best when you do dmg on the players turns so you can draw cards
You can add stuff like manabarbs, aynk of mishra, sulfuric vortex, spell shock,pestilence and there are also 3 ob nixilis cards you can add. Kingpin for sure. These cards are very cheap.
For the room you cut, you don’t need to cast Spiked Corridor first. You can just cast it for 4 and get Torture Pit right away for the +2 damage effect making the huge stack of 1 damage pings all into 3 damage each. For rooms you can play either side and then open the other door later.
A little slip of the tongue but yes that is correct, just didn’t feel the need for this effect!
@@GuysThatMagic By all means build your deck how you feel, but these kind of effects slap in this deck.
Cutting spiked corridor is wild. Giving you 3 expendable blockers that do exactly what this commander wants to do is incredible. Even if you only unlock one side of it, it’s still uncuttable from this deck
Agreed. In fact, leaning more heavily into tokens for an aristocrat strategy (and Skullclamp) is a very viable strategy. 1/1 devil tokens that deal one damage on death lend themselves very well to this.
Spiked corridor for me is uncuttable. Tripling the clock on opponents is incredibly powerful. The flexibility also can’t be ignored if you need blockers
super strong card, that cannot be removed as easy, as creatures. And the devils are also good in this deck, one dead blocker for one ping, to trigger our commander!
Right? It’s doing exactly what this commander wants to do. Even if you only unlock one side of it, its still uncuttable
I get my decks today and am so excited to upgrade!
That’s awesome! Sounds like a fun weekend ahead!
There are so many ways to go with this deck. I always like this Archetype you could add oppression, ank of Mishra, Underworld dreams and Disrupt Decorum this is mostly for when you are clearly the arch enemy.
Stax in rakdos is the stax that ends games.
I know it’s a precon and all, so they don’t want to include too many spicy lands, but I don’t really get why people would run evolving wilds or terramorphic expanse in 2 colour decks. That land is coming in tapped either way, so you might as well just run another tapped 2 colour land instead?
Thins your deck
@@NeverShoutScoty by one card out of 99. That rally doesn’t make much of a difference, certainly not the point it’s worth sacrifice either an untapped basic, or having a dual colour land.
@@NeverShoutScotyI’d rather scry or surveil than simply thin my deck by one. It’s much more impactful by helping consistency e.g making land drops or avoiding them
Surprised I didn’t see a Hissing Miasma and Citadel of Pain
Both of these were in my wants list. There are so many good cards to add for this deck but didnt want to cut to many of the original precon cards. - Steven
I actually don't mind Lord of Pain being removed in this upgrade video. Honestly you'd want to run it with Obosh and the Face Commander has an even CMC, so I think removing it was a good idea.
I so want hellraiser proxy's for this deck
Coincidentally, some guys at my locals were talking about the desire for Hellraiser proxies
@@armando5846 got to add teferis puzzle box in the 99 for thematics
Solphim Mayhem Dominus, Fiery Emancipation, and City on Fire all went into mine for that additional pinging, also my Sheoldred the Apocalypse finally found a true home with this deck. Cutting Vial and LoP as well as the room, is nuts. Those cards are great in this deck. Also Obsidian Fireheart and Emberwilde Captain I feel are good for this deck. Kinda surprised you left Barbflare Goblin and Enchanters Bane in, IMO those cards just suck and are some of the first that need to go.
The only thing mindcrank will do is fuel the graveyard decks, and make bad players Mad, not worth adding.
Only worth adding with Bloodchief Ascension which they forgot to mention I guess
This deck is pretty strong even without upgrades. I ruined a mono blue players day with barbflare gremlin
Im getting this deck at my lgs, can't wait to play
It’s definitely a fun one!
Guys Angrath, the Flame-Chained is so much better than chandra lmao.
Nahh it doesn't triggers in Opponents turn
What is with Zo-Zu and Sheoldred?
No solphim, mayhem dominus?
sounds like a downgrade precon to me
It feels more like a sidegrade. It doesn't necessarily feel like it's making the deck that much better, but it is leaning into a more specific strategy
I don’t understand how everyone is looking right past the lord of pain as the primary helm of this deck… shame
Overall too many unmotivated changes. Creeping Bloodsucker has no synergy, Mind Crank is only upside for your opponents, since youre not a dedicated mill deck and cutting Lord of Pain is kinda iffy. But I like the add of Smoke, didnt think of that card.
Really surprised you removed braids and Kaervec! Especially Kaervec! That card is going to bomb pods ! Put a butcher of malakir in (butchered the name) sac any token or chump creature you get and start playing control
this deck creates barely any tokens its just not reasonable to be fragmented int the strategy. Braids goes hard in decks like the new squirrel precon but this one aint it. It's a small and efficent board state we will have. While I disagree with some other cuts (such as lord of pain, kaervek etc) braids I think is right.
I replaced Braids with gix yawhmoth praetor (and added some more goad cards as well).
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How do you axe Kaerevek?
It’s EDH… you have time to play it.
Also, are all magic content creators allergic to charisma?
I feel like you could have had more room in your budget if you swapped out copper tablet for barbed wire, its a fraction of the cost, only costs 1 more and you can stop it from hitting yourself.
weird upgrades.
Does it still count as a $100 upgrade if I use a serialized crypt ghast? /sarcasm
😂
So if i wanna see your lord of pain uograde i have to pay! Well thats a ball buster!
Sorry! We’ve always done the upgrades with just one commander here on the channel. Just providing a bit extra to our Patreon subscribers
@@GuysThatMagic no that's ok, it actually just makes me more interested in the end. It's definitely appreciated that you do something a little extra for them! I still love your content I've followed you for a while now and you always show interesting deck techs, your Captain N'ghathrod is still my favorite as I'm just a massive mill fan, although I'm excited I may just jump onto your Patreon as I would love to still see your ideas! And Rakdos burn is a big interest of mine, please don't take offense to my rude behavior I do apologize for that
$300 coming soon?
It’s live!
This upgrade looks like a downgrade
Wait can you elaborate? Im new to mtg in general, i was just wondering why?
Hes takeing out some of the better cards like lord of pain. And hes putting in cards that deal dmg on his turn. Valgavoth is best when you do dmg on the players turns so you can draw cards
You can add stuff like manabarbs, aynk of mishra, sulfuric vortex, spell shock,pestilence and there are also 3 ob nixilis cards you can add. Kingpin for sure. These cards are very cheap.
@@christoskontos4779 gotcha, thank you! Do you have a deck list at the moment id love to check it out
@@chrome_desolator3336Main (100)
1 Kederekt Parasite
1 Blood Artist
1 Blood Seeker
1 Razorkin Needlehead
1 Florian, Voldaren Scion
1 Gleeful Arsonist
1 Mayhem Devil
1 Rampaging Ferocidon
1 Rug of Smothering
1 Soot Imp
1 Vial Smasher the Fierce
1 Barbflare Gremlin
1 Fate Unraveler
1 Kardur, Doomscourge
1 Mogis, God of Slaughter
1 Nightshade Harvester
1 Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin
1 Rakdos, Lord of Riots
1 Solphim, Mayhem Dominus
1 Torbran, Thane of Red Fell
1 Valgavoth, Harrower of Souls
1 Brash Taunter
1 Great Unclean One
1 Persistent Constrictor
1 Raphael, Fiendish Savior
1 Syr Konrad, the Grim
1 The Lord of Pain
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
1 Kaervek the Merciless
1 Ob Nixilis, the Adversary
1 Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
1 Ob Nixilis, the Hate-Twisted
1 Chandra, Awakened Inferno
1 Undying Evil
1 Infernal Grasp
1 Rakdos Charm
1 Bedevil
1 Chaos Warp
1 Suspended Sentence
1 Feed the Swarm
1 Chandra's Ignition
1 Sadistic Shell Game
1 Breach the Multiverse
1 Blasphemous Act
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Sol Ring
1 Ankh of Mishra
1 Arcane Signet
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Mind Stone
1 Rakdos Signet
1 Séance Board
1 Talisman of Indulgence
1 Thought Vessel
1 Bloodchief Ascension
1 Roiling Vortex
1 Spellshock
1 Sulfuric Vortex
1 Underworld Dreams
1 Manabarbs
1 Pestilence
1 Polluted Bonds
1 Spiked Corridor // Torture Pit
1 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Bloodfell Caves
1 Canyon Slough
1 Command Tower
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Exotic Orchard
1 Foreboding Ruins
1 Geothermal Bog
1 Graven Cairns
1 Leechridden Swamp
8 Mountain
1 Shadowblood Ridge
1 Shivan Gorge
1 Smoldering Marsh
1 Spinerock Knoll
1 Sulfurous Springs
8 Swamp
1 Tainted Peak
1 Temple of Malice
1 Temple of the False God
1 Witch's Clinic
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