This should go without saying but please don't find the creators video and harass him- I mean that very genuinely it makes me and our community look like assholes. OKAY HAVE A GOOD DAY NOW GOODBYE TY C U L8R!
Depends on what you mean by harassment. If it’s actual harassment then I agree but let’s no pretend the anti-feminist incels don’t call even slight criticism against them “harassment”
@@Noah-lj2sg gatekeeping against predatorial interests can be good. For instance if a sponsor wants to come in and flood money into a small community but drastically change things and gut everything that makes the community what it is is a good time to gate keep the community from something. The problem lies in what certain people see as "predatorial interests". These people are sexist and so they feel woman are preying on the man club they formed. The sexism precedes the gate keeping. To be clear what I am saying is gate keeping isn't necessarily good or bad it's the ideology behind the gate keeping that is.
Me a male nursing student, every teacher I have spoke to wants me to exceed and are proud guys are getting into it. The male vp for the first time in our schools history told us that 15/150 are male nursing students
I'm a nurse and my male colleagues (there are only 3) are some of the most amazing nurses i've ever met. Keep up the amazing work! You're gonna make a great nurse!
I don’t really get the disrespect. All of the people who think men shouldn’t be nurses aren’t even doctors and probably couldn’t be nurses either. It’s a respectable job. I’m no where near qualified for that shit 😂
@@LukeAtmey-s2v I would say that the response from think before you sleep is pretty qualitatively distinct from four giant UA-camrs dogpiling and basically just using ad hominem to deride their opponents perspective which is anti-mainstream, then again, I would agree that the youtube comment section isn't exactly conducive to a "free market of ideas"
I get harassed almost every game. I get hit on. they say "damn baby you sound sexy" Im a dude. I have a very..soft voice, who cares. It feels really nasty the things they say thinking I'm a girl.
I have the exact same thing. I’m told I sound just like my sister, and whenever i play a game with comms, especially since I’m dog shit at shooters, I get some of the same weird comments, a lot of ones about how women shouldn’t play and shit like that too. It has actually made just stop talking in comms all together, which should never have to happen, and I can only imagine how much worse it is for women. The even crazier thing is that I used to coach players in some game, and sometimes they would discount my idea for no reason, but when they would find out I was dude, they were suddenly more willing to at least try my ideas. Like, what sort of mental gymnastics do you have to do to think this way, to the point where your perception of what gender I am would change how you view what is just factual information.
I do think it’s somewhat ironic that the entire comment section is making fun of TBYS voice even though the whole point of this video was to not make fun of people who were born with things they can’t control.
It’s more about his ideology we are making fun of, or more specifically, detested to learn about. I don’t feel hypocritical making fun of h*tler’s moustache, and neither should you
@@mastersonogashira1796 Uh, no. Not really, stop trying to rationalize. Look at the second-most liked comment on this video. Tells you enough about the audience you're a part of.
@@josh1234567892 what happened to everyone is entitled to their opinion? You can love the idiot all u want, but I think TBYS is an idiot nevertheless. Also the comment is pretty funny, and according to YBTS, it’s just banter, don’t take to heart yea? Men are like this you know, i don’t mean it when I say you are just much of an idiot as he is
@@mastersonogashira1796 Probably because Hitler is dead. And was responsible for millions of people's deaths, which is a little worse than someone who has a different opinion than you.
As a girl gamer, I have learned not to respond to sexism, because any response just makes it worse. And I have only ever had ONE man say something when another person was being mean to me. It was a simple, "Hey man, you wouldn't be saying any of that if she wasn't a woman. Cool off" and then he messaged me privately saying he was sorry I had to deal with that. It sticks with me to this day as the only time I feel like the asshole on the other end of the computer registered that what he was doing might be bad. It doesn't register if a woman says it.
@@jukeplays7572 i don't understand why it's somehow impressive to be able to take more hatred from others. I'm not saying I can't take it. I'm saying I shouldnt have to. In an ideal world, neither of us have to "hear worse" anywhere. I don't understand why someone would defend and preserve a worse world than the one we could have.
Ngl, you should respond in a way that makes them feel terrible. Even if it's callimg them an incel. People like this get satisfaction regardless of if someone cares or not, not getting a response makes them think they won. Just keep saying the same insult.
Thanks for bringing up the statistic about women taking on gender neutral or male identities online! I used to specifically choose gamer tags that are gender neutral to avoid unnecessary annoyances. If there were shady people in the lobby it was easier to let them think I was a “squeaker” rather than an adult female. It’s both terrible and nice to see that I wasn’t the only one. EDIT: much appreciation to everyone sharing their stories. Hope you all continue to rock it, gamers
me too!! I use a pretty ambiguously gendered gamer tag and I’m too familiar with the strange comfort that comes with being mistaken for a “squeaky boy”
WOW PEOPLE WANNA CONTROL HOW OTHERS SHOULD ACT & BEHAVE???? WELL I WANT A NEW BITICH TO SUCK MY DIC*K EVERYDAY & NIGHT IS THE UNITED STATES GREATEST PLACE ON EARTH FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF UR EMOTIONS GET HURT OR BROTHERED remember when u were a kid sticks & stones my God how can so many adults be so so soft now
Yeah! I was blown away by 56%. I thought I was a weirdo and one of the few. I still do it to this day, but I feel better knowing there's so many others in the same boat!
That Dr K clip is so on point, because it works exactly the same way the harassment works but in reverse - a girl plays in 10 lobbies in a row that are toxic just because she's a girl, chances are good she'll just stop playing the game (which btw is why I also think it's bullshit when people say "girls don't like X kind of games". More girls would play them if it didn't mean constantly wading through a cesspool of sexist commentary every time you turn your mic on) Anyway, I think with videos like this we might be slowly, slowly getting onto the right track. Thanks Lud.
What i do is I have purposefully masculine name and don't talk ever only in text chats. But it honestly makes me sad because this tactic makes us also completely invisible to each other. How many times did a q up with another girl who's struggling with the same stuff that i do and didn't even know didn't get to simp for her and show her you can have good time in this or that game.
Except, anyone who says that, has never played with a toxic DOTA player in their entire life. You could have 1000 people, telling him that, in a 1000 matches in a row, and the behaviour would not in any way change.
Nobody cares bozo 90% of girls that I have played valorant have bottom fragged they should just stick to making sandwiches in the kitchen 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 imagine female pro players playing vs guys instant humiliation 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@Hudson Hamman So women are simply not tough enough to play the manly man games then? You sound a bit like the guy from the video. Perhaps a lot of these women are just not enjoying the game anymore because of the toxic behaviour? I've stopped playing a number of games because the atmosphere is just too unpleasant, that's not because I'm fragile, it's because it just stops being fun. I'm going to guess what a woman who uses voice coms goes through is 10 times what made me quit.
That happens to everyone though literally every online game is filled with toxic players. They don't target girls they just use the fact that you're a girl to trash talk because they know that will get you angry just like some uses race to insult too. And it's also not because you're bad at the game either these toxic people are usually terrible at the game and they harass you because they are in denial and try to blame you for their terrible plays or picks. You could suggest a swap and they get instantly offended and go off on you. These days if you want to game in peace you have to mute everyone. It's not a female only problem it's a problem for everyone in online gaming.
The idea that I'm playing with a girl or losing to one always made me feel like games were getting more popular and I'd have more in common with people I'd meet later on in life.
As someone whose voice was still very high, even as a genetic and assigned at birth male, I got mistaken for a girl all the time, up until the ages of 14-15, and aside from being bullied for my age, I heard the worst most sexist shit ever, as well as utterly vile shit, along the lines of pedophilia, sexual harassment, harassment overall and I can say for a fact that women 1000% experience a worse time.
it seems like if a woman is present in the lobby, there is either going to be a guy who is a supreme douchebag to her or there's gonna be a guy who is extremely creepy and tries to be her boyfriend or some shit. it's rare to find decent people just being cool with one another
Nah Fr 💀 men practically controlled women up until the 1900s and still to this day try to change stuff involving women. The video was probably released before this, but as we speak men are trying to make abortion illegal 💀
I wont ever understand how people can keep these mindsets even after there is so much evidence against their point. It's really sad to see how people would rather put others down instead of trying to improve themselves just cause it's easier. Thank you ludwig for helping to inform people about this absolute absurdity, you made some really great points
There’s been some studies that show that our brain outright dismisses facts that don’t agree with our worldview, and gives much more weight to something that confirms our beliefs. Basically, humans dum dum and asshol
@@scottveron I think people in general are really bad at being introspective. We have some core "feelings" or beliefs that we define our existence by. In this case, the dude strongly believes in toxic masculinity; specifically the idea that it's not only normal, but imperative that men are allowed to be toxic in online gaming spaces, and that this toxicity is necessary for any "male dominated space." He doesn't have the skills to ask himself WHY he believes those things or how his beliefs can damage others, therefore he tries SO HARD to defend his belief. Improving a person's introspection and empathy generally makes people more resistant to confirmation bias; they become more likely to say "oh, I WANT to believe that this is true, but I'm not sure." And we become more humble in accepting that we are wrong, because only sociopaths would insist on hurting others despite being wrong themselves.
bruh ive said this with fighting games if you are toxic and a sore loser or cheap you never evolve i dont care if i lose i just want to get stronger and evolve i want to get better and maybe help somone else get stronger too but man does it make me sad for them that they flip out and refuse to adapt and overcome
this right here. It's so fucking dumb getting into lobbies when there is a woman present and some dumbass man has to say something offensive. the fact that every game they get into they get harassed is ridiculous. It's not being mean, it's straight up harassment.
As a woman in the scientific field, specifically in criminal justice. Men are always asking me if I’m okay, like I didn’t go to school for this for 8 years and have seen horrible shit, like my womanly heart can’t handle it. Also the only person in my lab who’s work gets “checked”. Coincidentally also the only woman.
But studies have show women on average have a lower threshold for stressful situations and clearly thinking. It isn't sexist for them to check up on you, they are caring and just show compassion sense you are the only woman, therefore it's harder for you to voice your opinion or emotions. I work as a nurse and I often have the female nurse ask me if I am doing ok, but not for others. That's because women will talk to eachother if something is wrong.
@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing This study that you mention is done purely on an individual basis rather than gender basis. Women in fact can handle stress and deal with stress way better than men and is highly unlikely to get mental illnesses in passing. But from what I assume, what you're trying to say is, women tends to be rather emotional in certain situations than men, which hinders objective pov and logical thinking process sometimes. That, I can agree with. Such emotional thinking is what differs men and women thought process in some scenarios. And it also factors in to why women can deal with stress better, which in turn makes them less prone to illnesses and adds to having generally a long life span than men. Though again yes, it is but only one of factors that helps the final outcome. So the base line is, I do agree to a certain point that there are fields that requires highly logical thinking or high muscle strength, which may have a male dominance. And if there's suddenly a female colleague introduced to you in such an environment, it's only natural to show a certain level of concern towards them as opposed to male colleagues. Because it's a generic human trait to either be curious about or outright reject something that is introduced anew. (On a final note, I'm clarifying again that I "never" said anything about women being "unable" to handle a logical process. All that I'm saying is women "tends" to be more emotional than men due to their hormonal process in certain situations)
@@missm2925 Literally just google stress effects men vs women... In 30 seconds i learned that due to the different hormonal systems in the sexes, the reactions to stress are different. Overstressed women tend to begin to develop anxiety, depression, and PTSD while men eventually just snap and go full Schizo. And if you google 'work hours men vs women mental health' you discover that women begin to develop negative mental traits if they consistently work more than 39 hours a week, while men is 47. I learned all this in 2 minutes.
I find it really interesting that there was a study conducted that revealed that male gamers are less likely to harass women in games if said men are good at said game. These types of dudes will accept challenges from anyone because they know they're good at the game and won't have their ego wounded by any number of losses, regardless of who beat them. Guys who play at a lower skill level are also more insecure, more prone to be the agressor in harassment, and feel like they have "more to lose" when it comes to their ego, so they make up for their difference in skill by being hyper-salty and harass anyone. Women who are in an ingame VC or happen to stand out from the other players in some way are easy targets for these guys. TL:DR; If you're harassing people online, you literally have a skill issue. You're mad because you're bad. Git fucking good lmao
I mean this might be true, I'm quite good at cs, top 0.02-0.01 ish and I have never heard in my teams were there was a girl talk shit about her cuz of her gender, have heard simps though lol. And I do play with a few women but I never see it myself, guess it's been lucky lobbies lol.
The thing about being judged based on voice is so true, one of my fondest gaming memories is the ONE TIME my random team in an overwatch game actually listened to me when i presented a plan and then went on to actually follow it too, can you guess what happened? We absolutely shredded the other team, so incredibly satisfying to finally prove to myself that i was actually capable.
bruh if 30% of females play league for expemple why isn"t 30% of challengers not female this video is fkin dumb it's very rare to find good gamer girls that's why the pro scene is lacking females simple as that and team siren is perfect exemple
It's hard for someone to really comprehend something until it happens to them, I always thought things like this were just exaggerated because I really never saw it but now being exposed and seeing more examples of these things, I'm just flabbergasted that these things happen
It is so hilarious how people get self worth from such irrelevant things. A fkcing video game, really? I am a massive gamer, but I would never think "oh wow, I made one strat, I am actually capable." Nor would I care
I am attempting to follow this "drama" and this video seems to be arguing the semantics of TBYS's video rather than actually refuting it. And given that no one in this comment section can seem make an actual argument against TBYS and would rather attack him personally or claim that he is an istaphobe, without any actual proof. I think that non of your audience has picked up any arguments either. I am going to watch the response to this video.
@@GoldenRedderI am truly glad that you have. So many people are being radicalized. If you watch his videos he is actually a very supportive dude that wants the best for people. Telling people that “you have to work hard to achieve your goals” is something he encourages and he also talks in a way that isn’t just yelling over a person, like Ludwig is doing here.
Ngl I kinda disagree. I didnt watch the whole thing but for the first 40 whole minutes all he did was bring a couple valid clips that maybe one argument from lud wasnt as valid, the rest was either pointless or completely misinterpreted by him. After wasting all that time on the video, I just gave up
Call me soft if you want to, but I literally have more fun while being nice to everyone in my lobby whilest we are encouraging each other and going for that W. It's just chill and fun vibes. No insults no BS and whenever we do make jokes it's never offensive or rude. We're all adults after all. I understand though, everyone doesn't operate or think the same.
I agree with your comment, I want to give good sportsmanship but people are so angry and rude that it's impossible, I only hope those people can learn to calm down and be nicer, I truely hope.
I hate people who call being nice "soft", especially if its a man.. (not directed towards OP, just in general, and i do agree, i play video games to chill not throw and receive insults)
on the point "you can just mute people who harass you", he completely fails to understand that toxicity and harassment can go way beyond the chat room. i've seen countless clips of women getting griefed or killed by their own team. there isn't exactly a way to mute that.
Not to mention, depends on the person ofc, but if I mute someone because they're being an asshole, that shit sticks with me, even if it's just one game out of 10, can't imagine dealing with that all day
I'm still missing the part where them being females means they need some sort of special treatment. Like if you're a guy and you're saying 99% of the online games you played aren't full of assholes and griefers i'm saying you're full of shit. Literally every "team" game is just filled with those sorts of people. It makes no difference if someone is male of female to them, it's juts an angle of attack to latch onto.
This happens all the time. My games would get derailed and held hostage. Muting isnt always an option that works, and on top of that just because you mute the person doesnt mean your whole team will and that your team wont be affected, hence your games being affected and you giving up on playing the game. It also doesnt account for others joining in, either cause they think its funny, they want to be part of the club or they are just annoyed their game is being ruined because they have a girl on the team, cause if the girl wasnt there the other dudes wouldnt be griefing.
it only shows they are bad gamers every good player knows that you shouldn't express your tilt with the team because it carries to your teammates and makes their playing worse even if you mute on reaction their toxicity alters your mindset and affects how you play I find it funny people ignore shit like this to make even more dumb points against women it lacks emotional maturity and shows they cant communicate how to better play as a team without it dragging people down
as a guy who has a naturally feminine-sounding voice, i've subconsciously been conditioned into only typing in games like valorant because sometimes if i use voice chat, i'll get horendously fucking bullied. im not trying to draw attention away from women's experiences, just showcasing how even sounding like a woman in the gaming space, especially in competitive games such as valorant or fortnite, is frowned upon.
@@gabe_gaster it really sucks. Ive conditioned the same type of habits, as well as completely stopped playing games that i really love. This stuff is difficult to deal with and gives us trauma as all hell. My support, thoughts and kindest regards goes out to you :(
I think it’s also mainly because valiant and fortnite are commonly played by kids and just flat out toxic people. Most other popular multiplayer games I haven’t heard much issue
not rlly, he dodges a lot of stuff and fails to look at lud's video as a whole, discounting his points because he doesnt see that they lead into eachother. I saw this as someone who ISNT feminist and a guy but the disparity in videogames and blatant sexism from guys thinking they're being "funny" (which they might be to themselves and the people theyre in call with) gets really annoying after it constantly occurs. also his excuse about deradicalization is complete bs, the language he uses and comparison he makes are much worse than lud uses here (opinion but i still believe this). I also believe a lot of people have formed their opinion from the start, youtube videos are the perfect catalyst for radicalization as if you go into the comments of the video it will (as long as its a somewhat sensible take) be filled with people who agree, so when someone responds to this you take the video with scrutinizing eyes, this is increased by the simple fact that lud hasnt responded back.
This dude is literally "Tell me you've never talked to a woman without saying you've never talked to a woman" Also I know Overwatch/Blizzard is garbage, but remember that Zarya player that had to prove herself in a match against another player, because they thought she MUST be cheating. The cards are stacked against female players.
I vaguely remember some similar sounding thing about the Zarya player, but from my memory that person was fucking cracked. I rarely think hacks unless it's obvious, but they had INSANE tracking with such a high dpi/sens. Truly envious of that skill.
1. Can someone please tell me why first part of this comment just makes me uncomfortable and makes me feel like person writing it is just dumb?? I literally need someone to explain it to me because I don't understand my feeling. Wtf 2. In the second part I don't think it was because she was women but because she was really good. Any game in which you are good people will tell that you are hacker that's just how it is. But as how it is I can't completely deny that it wasn't because she was woman and it can't be checked unless person literally say that it is why they think someone is cheating, but It also means same other way around, that's why I think we shouldn't jump into conclusions based on things like this because it can be really bad for person you accuse.
@@uslph. lud showed articles from 2-3 years ago while the guy he was flaming showed shit from 8-9 cause they were the only ones that agreed with his argument, wtf are you on about
@@nettspend_penis I agree with something of what Ludwig had to say but he didn't let him complete his point and skimmed around a lot. He also misunderstood a couple of points, could have been a better response tbh.
luds a joke lmao, he out here pretending women and men are the same, in the most eglotarian countrys, the % of female nurses is 3x more than in conutrys like america, because u guys enforce boys and girls to be the same since young
@@AcidiFy574 crazy that you're gonna call confirmation bias here... as if that isn't what that schmuck's whole argument relies on, asking his audience to raise hands LMAO
@@AcidiFy574 oh i'm sorry i didn't know i was talking to the lord of youtube comments. I didn't mean to to disrespect your enlightened self with my pathetic retord. I really regret ruining your whole day with my presence here and i hope you can forgive me for my sins, if not now maybe down the line somewhere 😔 🙏
@@Deletedaccount2022ie by your logic I can say you're name calling by calling me immature (you said "you think you're mature") so basically we won't be able to have a basic conversation
@@Deletedaccount2022ie I don't feel insulted, You didn't name-call me, Read your reply again and see for a question asking for an opinion, And you got your dopamine, Now kindly shut up. This conversation is the definition of immaturity.
These types of things are why I absolutely hate playing games that require mics or teams. The most online type of game I'll play is an MMO. it's just SO much more enjoyable as a woman to play something by myself where I'm not being harassed for simply existing. I hope this changes in the near future for the women who do enjoy those types of games.
@@id3389 back when I used to play COD as a teenager I would just play on my brothers account without a mic tbh. It's great practice, but it's really sad that we have to hide that we're women just to avoid getting harassed 🙃
My experience as a man has been that they will make fun of you no matter what. They're simple-minded, too, so they'll choose the most obvious outstanding trait about you to make fun of - if you're female, they'll make it about that. If you sound gay, if you sound too young or old, if you're simply playing poorly, if you take an opportunity they wanted, they'll harass you over ANYTHING. Mute is the only solution...unless you like firing back I'm lucky I'm not into games that require precise team coordination, though. It's not as big of a deal for me. The most team-oriented game I play online is 4v4 Slayer (kills to score) in Halo, and you can do well in most games by just silently watching your teammates' backs.
You have an onscreen avatar you're literally using to simulate murdering people, and yet you want ppl to do it 'nicely'. Men get so much more abuse than women online, and we enjoy it. Trash talking a chick is literally just a shit test to see if she can hang. Turns out, they cant. And thats fine. You're doing an awesome thing playing other things rather than trying to mommy lobbies into being kind while they slaughter each other.
@@Spritzkrieg i do agree to an extent - however, the insults hurled towards women, the LGBTQ+ community or those with disabilities can be downright horrific. i can tell you that from personal experience. women don't deserve to be threatened with SA when they play; no one does. i can handle the typical female stereotypes or insults or being ignored, i have thick skin. but there's something so inherently disgusting about people threatening to r### you with no hesitation that just. makes me feel so incredibly unsafe and unwelcome when i play. it's a genuine problem.
@@imcs I don't like how you say you "agree to an extent," and then say women don't deserve to be threatened with SA - I hope I didn't make it sound like I thought they SHOULD be! We agree. The insults aren't good. My point is that those insults will almost always target whatever is the most obviously "different" thing about a player, meaning they don't REALLY care about the subject for which they're insulting you. They're just out to hurt you through the easiest method possible. I intend that as a form of comfort for anyone who has to put up with it. So, I'm not surprised r*** is the first thing that this type of person chooses to threaten a woman with. It's the most simple-minded path for a gamer's insult toward a woman.
Whenever I've been asked "Are you a woman, or a young boy?" I would always reply with "a young boy" even if I was in like a duo or something with someone I knew. Cause I knew getting treated like a young kid was better than being treated like a woman. If I messed up, I would get a "you'll get it, bro. give it a few years" at best or "go back to fornite, ipad kid" at worst. I would rather be called an "iPad kid" than anything from the unfortunately long list of insults and names women get called for just existing.
Me too! Team Speak with league players and I had a young man once assume I'm a young boy. He started shit talking about women and sexist jokes. I replied with an anti men joke and he said: "that's not cool man" to which I only said: "if you can't distinguish a women from a boy, you shouldn't make sexist jokes." Never saw that prick again on that server. Sometimes I feel like once men tasted their own medicine, they get so much nicer. But why should we women keep insulting people, just to be accepted? That's bullshit.
@@huggylul Having 1) been a young kid playing games in the past 2) passed as a man online, and 3) passed as a woman online, I can tell you, number 3 is the worst.
I used to have the name "Jade" in Overwatch, and even though I named myself after a male character, it was apparently enough for people to think I was female. I wouldn't say a single word, wouldn't touch voice chat, and would still have dudes attacking me for simply existing. I ended up paying $20 to change it to a more identifiably male name and it's insane the difference it makes. Silence. If you've ever played a competitive game, then you know what I mean when I say that the moment where someone starts tilting and being toxic, the game is over. You've lost. It ruins the whole game for everyone on the team. And sometimes just having a girl on the team, existing, is enough to destroy the entire vibe of the team because someone has to open his mouth. It's not every game, but even without voice chat, it happened to me a few times a day. And it really starts to wear you down. Like, sometimes you just sit there like "video games are supposed to be fun. Am I having fun?" And there's still dudes like this that think that women aren't playing these kinds of games because playing candy crush is biologically coded into our DNA.
I must be an outlier, my name on overwatch was very ambiguous/femme leaning and I exclusively played Mercy, but I don't think I ever got shit talked over mic and it was never sexist. I wonder if rank was something to do with it I was 3500-3800, makes sense for the toxic people to stay lower ranks so maybe it's that, would love to see more data on it but "how often do you get harassed on video games, what's your rank, what's your gender" probably isn't going to get the best data
@@Daeyae man you are really lucky. An old friend of mine was really high rank (I think it’s gm? Idk overwatch is dead anyways) and literally could not play because she had to mute at least one person every game just to not get yelled at or insulted for being a woman. She quit before overwatch even died because of it. No idea how you got that lucky.
@@Silverado-pq6xe maybe it was super lucky, or it did happen but I was just good at ignoring it. I have had some remarks on league, but I can always laugh it off, thinking about how sad a life someone must have to use comments like "leave top lane and go back to the kitchen"
I used to dress up as a male in games because I didn't want to be hit on by random guys online or even harassed. I started making female toons later on in life but then that's when I had to deal with all of those random people annoying me. I never talked in chats because some people would say "female?" like somebody that has never gone outside and saw a girl before. It's embarrassing for me and embarrassing for them.
@@madstar44 Then why when people found out I was a girl did the harassment start? I wasn’t being bothered when I was dressed up as a guy? I did this for three years by the way.
@@cskyla1844 i mean i cant say for certain why, im not god but i can say many types of games are more specialized in harrassment, and in many games low skill lobbies tend to be less toxic, i say what i do bc everyone i know, male and female, encounter harrassment/shit talk near daily regardless of gender. maybe you just got better at games man
@@madstar44 Or maybe you don’t experience harassment the minute you walk into a lobby because of your gender. Literally I’ve been in so many countless lobbies because I’m a girl. You seriously don’t see any guy walk into a lobby and instantly get told “shut up male” lol
I don't think an all female team will really help "normalize" women in gaming alone, there's gotta be a mixed team too. I know there's also mixed teams like in the video, but also like in the video they're dogshit, which doesn't really help their case in the mind of a sexist. Tbh i had thought women in gaming was already normal but i'm an MMO/Survival player mainly so i guess women are more visible there.
Unfortunately my friend, take any game, make it competitive and an all male team will absolutely DOMINATE a mixed sex team. Same as in well almost anything. Lol.
@@NagaSadow97 Yeah, reality. Lol. Men dominate almost every competitive arena from physical sports to esports. There is not 1 tall female team , in relation to esports, that has won a single large scale professional tournament In the physical world, for every female champion, the UFC is a very good example of this, their male champion counterparts outpace and outstrike them. Sexist? Who gives a fuck? Reality is sexist and discrimantory. Nothing is equal.
@@ArisenMind So you don't have any sources. Don't get me wrong, I know in physical sports trained men pretty much always beat out trained women, that's simply a result of human physiology. However there's no physiological basis that makes men inherently any better than women in a non-physical sport like gaming.
@@NagaSadow97 Well my Nigga, Im quite correct and until there is some cadre of female Esports champion(s) that crushes all the male competition. Until then, Im correct, you aren't. Reality. Is. Beautiful.
How about you watch the full video by Think Before You Sleep before nailing him to a cross, Ludwig isn't just misrepresenting everything he's saying, he is trying mislead you into thinking Think Before You Sleep is a minsogynst, he his far from it. All the examples in this video don't disprove any of Think Before You Sleep's points, you can even see in his latest video how Ludwig fails to disprove anything he said in that video. Please, don't blindly follow Ludwig, do your own research, come to your own conclusion and opinion.
bro i can take 30 seconds to look at tbys's thumbnails and it's just blatantly apparent he's a misogynist hiding behind (while probably also believing) the "they're persecuting me because i'm a white male" shtick. (while also apparently pushing transphobia and other abhorrent values)
That will never happen unfortunately. Most of the people who are watching Ludwig’s channel are the types to not give a single fuck about anything but their own thoughts and Ludwig’s.
is think before you sleep a misogynist? probably not in the sense that he HATES all women. he does however pick specific examples of toxic women and then extrapolate those examples to the feminist movement in general. He tends to pin a lot of what is wrong with society today on women and the feminist movement. He probably doesn't hate women but he does go out of his way to paint women and the feminist movement in general in a negative light.
ludwig really just cherry picks most of his points here, even with cutting out the other guys video. Honestly I think his takes on other vids are good but this is a bit of a flop
Straight up, this is why I've always been too scared to play competitive games. I can't handle the back-seating and being talked down to. Shooters already make me anxious because I've never practiced with them, and then having to deal with getting abuse thrown at me the entire time is too much. And then if they aren't being mean they're aggressively hitting on you. No thanks. *edit* This got more attention than I expected so let me address some things here so that it doesn’t get lost in the replies. The toxic shit that happens regardless of your gender is something that we shouldn’t tolerate as a community. However, if you’re here to leave a comment about how women are just being babies and everyone gets bullied, you’ve missed the point of both my original comment AND the video.
I feel you! I have never really tried competitive shooter games because of this. I've been bullied a lot growing up, why would I revisit that in my spare time for something that I'm trying to do for fun? No thank you! I'll stick with my single player RPGs.
@@swiftdeath8 so don't try a competitive game especially if you haven't put in the time to get better. Try Nintendo games, and online games will be toxic towards everyone as soon as you turn on the Mic. It's a given, that competitive will bring out the worst toxic talk ever,
Clearly these games don't give you enough intrinsic enjoyment of them to be worth dealing with all those things. I deal with them as a guy (maybe not the hitting on me part but hey who likes being found attractive anyways amirite?), but the satisfaction of getting better outweighs the struggle of getting better. If you don't enjoy the game itself that much then you are making a pretty normal decision to avoid it and avoid the negatives with it
Can we also mention the fact that Timmy was able to deescalate the situation because he was in a position of authority, being a professional. Whereas women in most male-dominated spaces are immediately seen as inferior, and therefore would not be taken at all seriously if they simply told mysoginistic players to stop.
Exactly, the point he made was that timmy stopped being harassed because he was a popular streamer... doesnt work for popular female streamers thats for sure.
Also he's in a discord call with his friends, which will usually be more understanding when you call them out unlike an angry mysoginst gamer on a random lobby
That has nothing to do with gender. Even if a guy told some random ass players to stop being misogynistic he'd get laughed at and not be taken seriously
@@topgeorge6908 no it definitely has something to do with gender. women are seen as inferior to men in gaming because they’re “worse” and therefore aren’t taken as seriously as a man would be.
20 years as a female gamer and I still don't see improvement so it's nice to see videos like this. Hope someday I'll get to play more team based pvp and not be constantly worried about this stuff.
One of the comments down below says they changed their name to "Emily" and they said they had a worse experience in games because of it. I wonder if that's true, maybe I should try it. I don't care at all about social justice or equality, but I also don't care what someone's gender is. I'd care more if I had a sense that it actually was a big issue.
Improvement how? What do you mean? You wanna be taught to shoot straight? 20 years lol. Everyone’s been gaming since the first PC when they start a argument
30 years as a gamer, and i still dont see improvement, even things go worse. first o all, as gamer, i dont put my gender anywere, there is no need to play . btw, keep waiting if you think kids will stop being rude and insulting others over internet.
Ludwig brings up one example and thinks he just destroyed TBYS. These people cannot debate and they don't need to, because their audience already agrees with them, and their audience doesn't know how to recognize valid points from bs.
woman are constantly told to do things different to avoid hatred and negativity from men, it sucks to see people say "just mute it" instead of "just be nice to everyone"
@@Ghost-fe1vpI get what you mean but the point of it is that the harassment happens way too often. Imagine getting those derogatory comments directed to you 9 out of 10 times. It shouldn't even happen in the first place. Plus with games like these you need to be in communication with your team to play properly.
@@liz8986 It's actually quite rare. Male on Male situations of this are far more common. Just block the rare troll and move on. It's what I have to do. It doesn't bother me anymore. I understand women are more emotional and cry over this stuff but I don't see how we can 'fix' this without negatively ruin the fun of gaming for men in some ways.
I see so many comments hating on the TBYS guy, judging him mysogynist and hater, and have watching many of his videos he defenitely isn't any of this things, it's easier to not hear the other side and just "shoot first think later", a clown, an incel? in his videos he present problems that aggravate divide between people, that helps no one, and give his solution that is mostly to get help, communication and understanding. i see this all the time, most dont see the other side but go on hating, just sad.
Fr bro I don't know why everyone is saying that he is an incel or a woman hater when every single video that he makes is to solve problems and he never hates on women
Think before you sleep has honestly given me a good perspective on life and relationships. I sometimes sit and whine about how single I am, and watching his videos makes me understand that I should never rush into a relationship with someone just because I want a relationship. 1Make better choices 2 better choices lead to positive outcomes 3 positive outcomes lead to a happier life
TBYS helped me a lot. I was in a dark place after my experience with a woman who took advantage of me and in turn I had trust issues towards women. The one thing he said was to show indifference. Acknowledge them but don't worry about them, focus on what you need to do. And I've stuck to that philosophy for the longest time, and it's worked for me. Took a couple of years, but I've started breaking bad eating habits, exercising, even going out more and being sexually active. My girlfriend had to help me with the last one because of the experience, she's been a big help on the last one because I get flashbacks, but it's not effecting me as much anymore. He can make some bad points where I recoil back, but once I hear the conclusion it makes sense. The issue being he'll be brutally honest and to the point with the issue, these people get mad and don't listen to the rest of it to hear the solution. They get so bent they just cover their ears and scream essentially.
As a guy it’s insane to me that these guys don’t seem to want girls to be into games as much or more than them - I’d personally find it cool to be able to talk to some of my female friends about the games I play, and play with them. Feels like it’s a fragile masculinity thing. I mean there’s even the meme of wanting a “gamer gf” - and then there’s also the “acting differently” (harrassing or acting like they want to get in their pants) because of their gender - at that point, are you even here for the game??
Fr. Depending on the game I can have some really good conversations with people I play with online. Sucks that girls sorta miss out on that, for everybody honestly.
See I just don’t care. I think we should just let people do what they want. I’ve always been an advocate against the “women in gaming” or “women in engineering” or whatever because it’s just another way of telling women what they should do. Same with men in nursing or whatever. People should just do what they want and no one should be telling them this is a man’s thing or a women’s thing. If more men play games, so what? As long as there isn’t anything forcing women away, then who cares? The only two problems are the prevelence of designs catering to men (sexualized women, especially in Chinese games like LoL and Genshin Impact) and stupid toxicity from men. Hell, it’s mostly toxicity from men because Genshin is actually really popular with women compared to most games (45% women userbase)
@@demospolsion6539 you clearly have no idea what the groups are even for as they work to promote the very ideal you wish to see. They don’t “force” anyone into anything. Learning a skill doesn’t force someone to pursue it as a career. The reality of the world is that STEM careers and spaces still are sexist. That includes workplaces & education. The “Women in __” groups are a community response to that bigotry. They weren’t just made up for funsies. Their goals tend to be to provide spaces free from bigotry towards women in those fields thus allowing women who wish to pursue that career a more feasible path in doing so. That’s the epitome of helping people pursue whatever they’d like to which is exactly what you claim to want. You clearly are also talking out of your ass as you also imply that there are no forces pushing women away. I’ve seen women be belittled in STEM based solely on their gender and it’s mot hard to find evidence in stem fields of this problem (Ex: all the lawsuits that Activision has right now). You advocate against groups that promote the very ideal you claim to want to support while ignoring the reality of bigotry in the world. Please have at least some idea what you’re talking about the next time you try to join a conversation.
I used to hate the fact that my voice sounds like an adolescent boy with a head cold. Now that online gaming lobbies are a thing, it has its advantages. It's like covering yourself in zombie guts before walking into or past a herd.
The scouts take is so terrible, in many other countries (like the UK) girls have been able to join for years and no one gives a shit. It’s meant to be a fun organisation where people of all cultures and backgrounds can learn skills and develop their social and outdoor skills. Everything this man has said has pissed me off so much
I kinda dislike it personally. I always felt more comfortable in the organization that way and when women get involved there are a lot more complications and bs to deal with because legally they have to do a bunch of shit as a coed group, at least in America. Also maturity is a big factor. I say this as a former Boy Scout myself. Venturing on the other hand offered a coed experience, but had a higher age requirement which I think was appropriate. I think the biggest issue is the Girl Scouts just suck and that rather than making Boy Scouts coed they should have made their own Girl Scouts. That’s just how I feel about it though
@@noobmasters6913 The Girl Scouts is an entirely different organization unfortunately. They really suck and pander to the stereotypical image of what a woman is. They mostly exist for the cookies
@noobmasters69 To be clear, the boy scouts allowed females as they are going bankrupt, due to legal cases, covid and a massive decline in participants. From it's 4 million max membership, they have around 760,000 in 2020, aka they have about 20% their max amount of participants they built infrastructure for. They need females because they need participants money and the grants they can receive, not because they desire diversity or change. The girl scouts in contrast dropped from a peak of around 2.8 million, to around 1million, aka 36%. So while it isn't good for them, and while facing some legal issues, they are not currently bankrupt. Therefore they do not need boys. This was never about gender inclusivity for the scouts, it was money.
As a man who worked in education, there was pretty high demand for more, particularly in early childhood education because there’s value in having strong male role models. There are a lot of kids whose fathers are harmful or mean, and having those positive role models to ensure that kids aren’t growing up assuming that that’s all a man can be is valuable. The problem is that men usually aren’t encouraged to take those jobs, particularly in support positions like educational assistants. It also doesn’t help that they tend to pay pretty poorly.
5:30 a related concept is the idea of "gender contamination", where things that were once exclusively targeted/marketed to women were, because of this, not easily marketable to men and so the marketing switched to being masculine. A notable example is actually Marlboro cigarettes! Weird to think about with the "Marlboro Man" being such a figure, but it happened because of "gender contamination." Btw I don't know if the term sounds offensive, I'm not the one who came up with it.
you know i loved your point then you said "Btw I don't know if the term sounds offensive, I'm not the one who came up with it." like you need to say sorry for a word i still think your point is great just this its sad that people need to say sorry for a word
"things we aren't allowed to say anywhere else" is such a huge red flag because a lot of us actually AREN'T sexist, racist, homophobic, and transphobic in private!
EDIT: since people are *still* replying to this comment 2 months later saying I hurt their feelings when I use words like "sexist" to describe TBYS, allow me to copy paste a later comment rephrasing my complaint: "While I cannot say conclusively that the video creator is a victim of a cycle of repeated isolation and enflamation by certain voices on the internet that results in a bitter world view and is frequently, although not always, associated with sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and anti-intellectual views, deliberately or intentionally resulting in a slide towards extreme authoritarian political beliefs, the evidence displayed in the video he published suggest that this might, in fact, be the case. This is concerning because other voices sharing these toxic outlooks tend to flock together to disparage anyone who calls them out, employing various rhetorical tricks meant to elicit frustration, apathy, or simple anger, rather than reflecting on their own actions and the fact that they are not behaving within the tenets of a modern, cooperative society" Is that better?
The dude unironically explained toxic masculinity. The idea that men HAVE to act like assholes because of pent-up rage. This is a great example of a person defending shitty behavior because it's "normal." He has no idea how the "normal" expectations surrounding men are what lead to the idea that there need to be male-dominated spaces
I'm sorry ludwig but spawntaneous is seeking out her interactions, she instigates most of them herself by being rude and obnoxious and honestly if you throw shit at others something might bounce back. Maybe just maybe the fact that she has a series where she makes money from getting peoples reaction should have been a clue.
as a former girl scout of six years, the boy scout point is so stupid. when i was in girl scouts, i earned badges such as cooking, painting, and cleaning. i never went camping, learned how to make a fire, etc. it seems perfectly logical to me that some girls want to be included in boy scouts because they do different activities then girl scouts and i don’t see a problem with that
Yes! Everyone I've seen bring up this point is not a Boy Scout, and is just getting upset on behalf of the Boy Scouts. As a Boy Scout myself, I think the inclusion is a great thing, and I think most other scouts agree. The Girl Scouts has failed so many girls that want to do fun outdoors things, the Boy Scouts welcomes them!
Dude the point about the boy scouts genuinely ticks me off. I was a member of the boy scouts (I'm a male), and i had the worst time possible in scouts. It was full of toxic masculinity, where i was bullied relentlessly by all the athletic kids, made fun of because I didn't wanna play manhunt in the forest at night. One of the boys assaulted me while i slept and i somehow got in trouble for fighting him off me, and that same kid burned me in the face with metal water bottle he heated over the fire (i was promptly told "oh you'll be fine, it's just a small burn. Which is flipping wasn't). Let's not forget the rampant sexual assault cases as previously mentioned. And fun fact for all y'all, my scout master was outed as a pedophile after r*ping his niece, and who's to say he didn't do so to any of the boys (he has been sent to prison, thank goodness). If anything I'm happy boy scouts got shut down, as girls and young women didn't have to risk going through what many boy scouts (and women all around the world) have had happen to them. People who say that feminists ruined boy scouts are daft idiots, who need to do actual flipping research.
you should say fucking instead of flipping, it adds more power to the sentence People who say that feminists ruined boy scouts are idiots, who need to do ACTUAL FUCKING* RESEARCH.
ive never even heard stuff like that happening in the troops in my area, sorry to hear about that. i remember we used to make younger scouts do pushups to punish them but some nutjob parent complained that it was hazing and so they banned it. It was really stupid cuz like the fuck else are we supposed to do when ur kid starts giggling in his fuckin tent at 3 am and you're too shit of a parent to discipline them. It was really the only leverage we had on the kids, other than making them hold the scout sign for like 10 minutes. Physical health is something we promote in scouting, i dont think my troop was particularly toxic about it but then again we didnt do manhunts either
@@commondognut it may not be representative of a whole, but keeping it as is allows it to be open for situations similar to the above to arise. them changing it can well likely be a combative and a preventative course of action.
The fact that the guy even tried to excuse the harassment towards women by saying “oh yeah just fucking mute,” is so stupid. The point was that the harassment shouldn’t even be happening in the first place, especially because it’s targeted towards women.
I understand this well. The moment you speak online and sound non-American it's N-word or some other slur straight out of the gate lmao. That stuff is on speed dial🤣. I think that's probably the most frequent term used by teenagers or angry dudes in any Discord/CoD/etc lobby. So ridiculous it can't even be offensive. Being shit/troll at the game and getting flamed for it is one thing. Being flamed for just existing in the form you do is what the women are complaining about. Some people can tolerate it, utterly ignore it, or flame back but I can see it being utterly unbearable to most humans. Like let people feed or troll before a chain of twenty n-words or orders back to some fictional kitchen come rolling in. Alas it's the nature of ANONYMITY more so than anything, where there these guys can socially limit test in a way they could never do in person. Majority of them can't even approach a woman in person or will do their utmost to avoid a real confrontation but that digital leeway to express the aggression they lack is irresistible I guess. Knowing that makes me actually sorry until logging on and turning on voice again to ni-... 🤣🤣🤣
It's brought up alot but hard to discuss because people always believe one completely like the colour one is completely societal but like in the Scandinavian countries you see gender preferences for jobs without any gender boundaries showing there is some natural tendency But it is very interesting to try get a clear picture of how people understand it even if it's hard
The issue is a lot more nuanced than “society conditions people according to gender.” Yes, society does play a part in determining personality and interest, but so too does thousands of years of evolutionary biology that’s evolved alongside society. You can’t just overwrite your biological code so differences outside of just physical will always be there. But I do think this doesn’t really apply to the enjoyment of video games. Everyone can enjoy video games; genre, however, might vary a bit between genders.
ah yes, lets pretend that women and men are the same, lets ignore the fact that the most eglatarian countrys in the world, is where you see the biggest diferences betwen men and women, turns out, that when u stop teaching men and women to be the same tru tirrany, they are actualy very diferent, how would i have thought that this luigy guy was wrong about men and women not being diferent, ps: men hate the colour blue, the fav colour of men is red, prob cuz of blood.
The "societal pressure" argument is a cop out argument at best, and really awful excuses at worst. Its such a nebulous and vague term, but it possesses what tiny little sense it has to maintain relevance it doesn't deserve in discussions like these.
Not being sexist is the bare minimum, but adressing sexism in a community in which you have a lot of influence is a great move. Thanks Ludwig, you're educating people who need it and that is how we change the world.
i mean im only 10 mins in and ludwig is just factually wrong and speaking as if he knows he is correct. THERE IS an innate difference between men and women when it comes to liking games like call of duty or similar shooting games. that is just a fact, its not "society made it that way"
@@DaFifaKid I guess?? But i think what your missing is that yes, girls can have preferences and choose a more relax game like candy crush and that’s fine but it is based on society it’s not socially acceptable for girls to be playing fps and it is because if it wasn’t we wouldn’t be commenting on this videos. There wouldn’t be a bridge between women and men playing games if society didn’t play a role in it. You can reply so I can better understand your comment
@@DaFifaKid "innate" implies biological determinism. Is there evidence of this? Nope. It is very much "society made it that way", it's called gender roles lmao. Please look up what "facts" mean.
It's insane to me how some people can't tell there's a difference between being told you're shit at a game and getting gendered insults thrown at you because you spoke once in a lobby Great video as always Lud ❤️
I think a great way for guys to think about it is: If the situation was flipped and only girls were constantly harassing you in game just because you are man, wouldn't you want to complain? Wouldn't you want to try and change that? Anyone who says no is lying to themselves.
Fr. I’ve never been sabotaged or insulted cause I’m a dude, I just whiffed the easiest kill ever. A girl could be the only one with kills on the team and still be lied to and sabotaged
@@colxn The thing is though sure but I still want them to be able to say those things to me, because I don't like the future where they are scared of insulting me. or its "illegal"
I was in a friendgroup that literally gaslit me into believing I suck at games because I'm a girl , luckily they are out my life now and i found friends that do support me :)
girls are inhertely worse at video games on average, and on the extremes we dont compare,that doesnt mean u dont have to play it, keep in mind that, they arent friends, and you shouldnt consider anyone you'r friend if he is lying to you to make you feel better, and then cash it out later
So since you said they made you think you suck because you're a girl, did you find out it was because you didn't practice or were they just being bad friends
as a girl that gets harassed often be it for my gender, sexuality, or pronouns. i can confirm that if you do what dr k said and simply tell them what theyre doing isnt ok and say sorry that will instantly improve my mood. its alot worse when noone says anything, it makes me feel helpless, alone, and annoyed, and im probably just gonna log off for the day
@@jacksocks6946 okay I'm gonna just assume that's sarcasm and you're a troll attempting to tick people off but this was honestly probably just the weirdest interaction I've ever had with anyone. I'm just confused lmao
10:25 "I looked it up and it turns out that if you do the more recent one uh- oh the numbers have changed a bit, interestingly enough." 2014 study: Men 44%, Women 37% 2021 study: Men 43%, Women 38% Uhhhh, mate.
@@Flugs0 lmao so brave of you. Do you want a reward? nobody cares if you get your ass beat either. So the apathy is mutual, although you somehow feel special because of your apathy. absolutely pathetic
dang, seeing the statistic about women using gender neutral or male identities hit hard. when i was little playing on my xbox 360 i could always pass as a little boy but when my voice started maturing i literally learned and practiced for hours to make a male sounding voice cause i just wanted to play video games in peace. im completely fine with being insulted cause im bad at a game, but when it comes to shit i literally cant control its just super annoying. Its sad to hear but its sorta comforting to know im not the only one
"It's fun because it gives guys a chance to say all the things that we aren't allowed to say everywhere else..." My guy took the mask off and just yeeted it into the fucking sun
@@cordingdesert9566 The guy is named think before you sleep He's a incel and mgtow grifter He once said "I don't know much about sharia law" even though his fans are promoting sharia law in his comments which on itself it's extremely dangerous Says in the next clip "I researched everything and I know what I'm talking about" See, he knows if he acknowledges Sharia law with his fans , he'll get demonetized by UA-cam, if openly says he doesn't support Sharia law , he'll lose his fans and his supporters Ludwig is right he's a grifter He also has racist takes on white women who date black men and refers to them as "Tyrone"
How much he hates the team or just basic toxicity People get banned for saying ggez so I dont think it’s slurs Just shows where ur mind whorls jump to first
I had no idea the gender neutral nicknames thing was so widespread... I've had to do just that, multiple times in my life to get by, and I really thought I was the only one. that honestly makes me really sad
@@madstar44 i think people tend to assume you're male regardless unless you have a name like "xx_unicornsparkles_xx" and even then, they think you're a guy taking the piss. I've used both gender-neutral gamertags and feminine ones, and i tend to be presumed male regardless, even with names reminiscent of "hope" and "sugarrushxx" and "rosegarden
@@madstar44 IGNS like Cherrry, ButterflyWhisperer, Skylaaar, InvaderPenguin, Darkluna. 10/10 times I would assume this was a legitimate girl playing, never seen someone who didn't turn out to be a catfish use muffin as an ign, I find a lot of real womens igns usually include two words which are usually some makeup of a sweet food, a cute animal or something to do with stars / moon
You should react to his retort to your video. You should have your workers put more time into informing you on the people you try to (poorly) counter so that your retorts can actually be relevant and persuasive. This comment section is the epitome of why the left is radicalized.
Lol the retort video is terrible and also over 1 hour long Just over an hour of a whiney loser complaining with terrible arguments . I wouldn’t blame Ludwig for never reacting to it
This kind of gatekeeping doesn't just span across gaming, but to apps like Discord where women are harassed frequently. This causes them to quit gaming all together, which results in fewer women in Esports, and thus, less women in the top-paid leaderboards. A lot of women really want to get into gaming, I know a few as well, but most men are intentionally preventing them from doing so.
@@Hibernial Even as a man, most of the men I encounter are extremely toxic towards women and other men. It's not that I'm "hanging out with the wrong people" as others have told me, that's just my general experience across several servers. > Broad brush there. Gotta think of people as tribes and groups, and not as individuals who have their own preferences and goals. Got it. So, I can't just take my general experience as a man and apply it without getting accused of "putting them in a box"? Got it. Listen, man, you're blowing this way out of proportion, and I know you want to sound slick, but it's not passing by me. By "Most men" I mean even their individual characters. You clearly haven't experienced for yourself the shitshows that are Xbox Live and Discord. When I was active, I was constantly belittled by other men. I even saw so many women get shoved out of the platform. Choose your words wisely next time, and don't try to sound smart without thinking first doofus.
6:15 this shit is so fucking infuriating. i play valorant and i get weird comments and harrassment every time i speak on solo queue so i just don't talk. and then those same people complain about no comms. i just recommend being friends with other girls who play games and queueing together. this harassment should not be normal and is definitely not something we should be forced to stomach alone.
@@ic236 5 stack seems to work perfectly but i get so much sensory overload from so many people in a discord call ;-; nowadays i just play with my lovely duo and hope for the best
I really like Think Before you speak and it sucks you probably aren't gonna react to his counter argument to your video and how you even left out his main point. I'm sorry Ludwig I don't agree with you this time. You villanized Tbys before the video even started so your audience is already conditioned to dislike him.
@@agneevb.8653 Oh thanks man appreciate it for real. I enjoy Tbys' content and I hate that he's being thrown around as this woman-hating-basment-dweller. (Not anyone's exact words but I picture men who hate women to be this way)
@@jacobyakus8620 Respect is a two-way street, just like any conversation. If you and your friend have an agreement to say certain offensive things to each other in private, then by definition you are respecting each other's wishes. And if you say something offensive, your friend knows that you don't mean it. Strangers don't have that luxury. In public lobbies, anything offensive you say comes at the expense of everyone else there. They have no idea what you "really" mean, so obviously, as a decent human being who doesn't intentionally cause others distress and discomfort through toxic behavior, you don't say offensive things to strangers.
@@jacksonmax12 competitive games will be competitive, mix that with the internet and I wish you all the best in trying to rid video games of PG13 voice chat, god speed friend.
@@jacobyakus8620 Jacob you’re not an idiot, so I’m sure you understand the difference between the way you speak to someone you are friends and have rapport with, and a complete stranger. Playing dumb has never looked cute on anyone Jacob.
ludwig sucks ngl. used to have this guy on my sub list but i cant get behind this community of super-woke anti-capitalist rich streamer/youtuber archetypes that engage in some of the most hypocritical behaviors i have ever witnessed, it is also extremely disenfranchising as someone who used to enjoy ludwig, seeing his comments filled with these odd meme-brained tik tok gen z'ers that seem to get behind every single talking point that these breadtubers put out without actually doing a hair of research. i am very happy to say that i have broken from the conformity.
As a female viewer/gamer/creator, thank you for making this video. Speaking in lobbies gives brings me an immeasurable amount of anxiety simply because of the responses I have gotten from male gamers. It's rough, especially in more toxic games, but I am glad that you and others in this video (such iiTztimmy and Dr. K) are trying to bring more attention to this issue and showing others how they can help to address and deal with these situations. A seriously important topic handled amazingly well, as usual. :)
Even as a Male I have anxiety over how much toxicity lobbies can get so I stopped playing multiplayer games overall... so I can't imagine how female players go through.
@@limi. Why wouldn't you deactivate voice chat? That's the first thing i always did when i played mw2 or similar games years ago. No one wants someone screaming at you. Do voice chat only with people you joined deliberately not with random players. I thought that was common sense.
@@beijingese yes it does. ludwig fully an absolutely lost a godamn 4v1 against a guy basically minding his own buisness and then people try to cook him for a differing opinion then them
@@Mich-jk2ze maybe if they didn't constantly get harrassed and dogpiled on in lobbies. Women would actually play the game peacefully and get good and eventually go pro lol
These people try so hard to make it seem like feminism means anything other than men and women being equal and having equal opportuinities. Also the guy's snarky know-it-all tone of voice makes me want to have my ears surgically removed
His voice makes me irrationally angry instead. It's insanely nasally beyond anybody else I've ever heard. Almost as if he's holding his nose and mocking somebody, but no that's his voice apparently.
Honestly androgynists should have their own terms, people who hate women get plenty of named subcultures, idk why the other way just gets called feminism.
@@DrGandW Well, they do, but it's more of a theory based thing. Notably, TERFs, 2nd wave feminists and the like (not sure if all radfems are "anti-men" but modern, intersectional feminism definitely isn't).
I think being egalitarianism is a better name for the equality ideology than feminism. Mainly because A) having the word be feminism will make some people reactively feel like its only for women so a non-gendered term is better in my opinion & B) unfortunately, some modern iterations of feminism are using the ideology to spread exclusion or female superiority which allows certain sexist groups to paint all feminism as an ideology in support of female supremacy. By using egalitarian instead of feminist, you disassociate from the radical feminists who believe men are evil or that call transmen “traitors” and call transwomen much worse. Also pop feminism has gotten a bit out of hand. A lot of big feminist platforms focus on irrelevant or minuscule problems rather than real societal issues (things like mansplaining, man spreading & “sexist air conditioning” rather than important issues like transrights, modern slavery & the massively growing increase in male suicide & depression). Pop feminism and the radical feminists are the reasons why I’m uncomfortable calling myself a feminist.
This is one of the main reason why I don’t play competitive games :( my girlfriend does, and I sometimes like to watch her play but the amount of insult and harassment is way too much for me, it makes the game very unenjoyable even if it was fun in the first place, I don’t want to go through that while trying to relax
@@Rusty01 congratulations on starting gaming! I know it was a long 2 hours in between firing up Harvest Moon for the first time and leaving this comment, but maybe next time wait until you have something productive to add to the conversation before you post? Cheers, mate!
I just think everybody hates this guy cause he tends to have different opinions than y’all. I don’t agree with everything he says but he makes some valid points. Especially in that legendary response video..
He actually said "men aren't going around trying to changes women's spaces" meanwhile all the gross 60 y.o men are arguing against Roe v Wade rn trying to literally control what women can do WITH THEIR BODY. Not trying to start a debate on that here just pointing out how horribly incorrect everything he is saying is.
With this, you're doing the same thing he's doing. Generalizing. It ain't about men or women, it's about people. The sooner we all realize it, the quicker we figure all of this out.
men "aren't going around changing women's spaces" because they've created societal norms and patriarchal expectations to ensure those spaces are already changed lol
I honestly hate when a girl joins the discord or the game lobby.... because of how fucking cringe some guys are. They either simp for them in the corniest way, or non stop berate them for being a girl. It's sad.
For real! Am a girl and i play a lot of games and i love playing overwatch but we all know bad the community is, thankfully I don’t have a mic so they don’t know for sure if i'm a girl or not but sometimes i type in chat and they would know that and suddenly they harass me or say some dumb thing like “go back to the kitchen” like it’s really sad especially when i play with other people i feel bad because they will get uncomfortable with these situations so i started playing without the voice chat and play solo because it’s just uncomfortable to play with someone while some men are being so creepy.
16:44 I agree with the guy about this. Why does it need to be a women only team? Is it because the company thinks women aren't good enough to be in the best player team? Probably because they're the one that is sexist and keep telling the girls they aren't good enough for the main team? Why not make a backup team, or junior team or amateur team for people that's new to the game. Why does it have to be specifically the sex you were born with as a qualifier?
That's the problem with people like him. They sprinkle in an occasional reasonable argument along with argument that sound almost reasonable if you don't think about it. It's why he has a community of idiots who follow what he says.
You should watch tbys newest video it’s long but it really shows how poorly constructed this video was but yeah I agree they should make teams based on how good you are not sex.
I agree with flunky, if you found yourself agreeing at least a little with Think Before You Sleep then you should check out his latest video. He addresses all of Lidwig’s critiques and goes more in depth with what the ideas he was trying to convey.
because woman not as good, compared to male counterparts. There is no conspiracy, orgs want to win tourneys, which brings sponsorships. Esports generally have a "cut throat" environment, you playing like shit for half a year, and you out, regardless of how long you have been with the org
It’s really amazing to see someone with the creator out-reach like lud talk about this topic. Misogyny runs rampant in the gaming community. The younger generations of kids playing video games and hearing “men” speak to women like that is just a breeding ground for things to never change.
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This should go without saying but please don't find the creators video and harass him- I mean that very genuinely it makes me and our community look like assholes. OKAY HAVE A GOOD DAY NOW GOODBYE TY C U L8R!
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ok ludwig
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Depends on what you mean by harassment. If it’s actual harassment then I agree but let’s no pretend the anti-feminist incels don’t call even slight criticism against them “harassment”
Gaming isn't a male space and women aren't invading it. It is open to everyone despite emotionally immature men trying to gatekeep it.
Also everyone and their grandma plays video games.
My grandma literally plays video games lmao
Yeah they can have their little circlejerk going in the corner and call it a male space but as far as im concerned it's an everyone space
Well said.
@@Noah-lj2sg gatekeeping against predatorial interests can be good. For instance if a sponsor wants to come in and flood money into a small community but drastically change things and gut everything that makes the community what it is is a good time to gate keep the community from something. The problem lies in what certain people see as "predatorial interests". These people are sexist and so they feel woman are preying on the man club they formed. The sexism precedes the gate keeping.
To be clear what I am saying is gate keeping isn't necessarily good or bad it's the ideology behind the gate keeping that is.
Oh hey! That's me! Thanks for sharing my series. 🥰 Love seeing larger creators supporting women in the space.
10/10 videos Spawn! My husband asks why I never play with randoms or unmute, I instantly showed him your series.
Keep up the series hopefully one day no one will have to go through that especially for YEARS
Ayy! Glad to see this positively covered
hey!! ur videos are awesome, keep it up
I am sorry for my male douche counterparts, we aren’t all like that
Me a male nursing student, every teacher I have spoke to wants me to exceed and are proud guys are getting into it. The male vp for the first time in our schools history told us that 15/150 are male nursing students
Mad respect for you 👏
I'm a nurse and my male colleagues (there are only 3) are some of the most amazing nurses i've ever met. Keep up the amazing work! You're gonna make a great nurse!
I don’t really get the disrespect. All of the people who think men shouldn’t be nurses aren’t even doctors and probably couldn’t be nurses either. It’s a respectable job. I’m no where near qualified for that shit 😂
im sorry to be that guy but wtf does this have to do with anything
I almost went into nursing but stopped due to the growing lack of interest, hopefully you do what I couldn't and keep up the work
Im loving the dynamic between the old and new comments 💀
Do you think it’s most people just following the trend of others or them actually changing their opinions?
@@mr.happy1232 its two circlejerks colliding
@@LukeAtmey-s2v thats the most accurate way of describing it I've ever heard
@@LukeAtmey-s2vgood summary of the situation
@@LukeAtmey-s2v I would say that the response from think before you sleep is pretty qualitatively distinct from four giant UA-camrs dogpiling and basically just using ad hominem to deride their opponents perspective which is anti-mainstream, then again, I would agree that the youtube comment section isn't exactly conducive to a "free market of ideas"
The masculine urge to work on an oil rig in the middle of the ocean and play COD zombies for 12 hours straight
I won't lie, i have an addiction to zombies- especially on black ops 1 :(
*Andrew tate theme starts*
@@Atlas_DXUlt Mannn bo3 was my shit.
The feminine urge to wear pink all day and complain
@@Changed.User100 the masculine urge to save the school from a school shooting
it was all just a dream
I get harassed almost every game. I get hit on. they say "damn baby you sound sexy" Im a dude. I have a very..soft voice, who cares. It feels really nasty the things they say thinking I'm a girl.
you're not good at detecting jokes huh?
I have the exact same thing. I’m told I sound just like my sister, and whenever i play a game with comms, especially since I’m dog shit at shooters, I get some of the same weird comments, a lot of ones about how women shouldn’t play and shit like that too. It has actually made just stop talking in comms all together, which should never have to happen, and I can only imagine how much worse it is for women.
The even crazier thing is that I used to coach players in some game, and sometimes they would discount my idea for no reason, but when they would find out I was dude, they were suddenly more willing to at least try my ideas. Like, what sort of mental gymnastics do you have to do to think this way, to the point where your perception of what gender I am would change how you view what is just factual information.
Damn yeah that’s how most woman get harassed too
@@Flugs0 i hate your comment so much, please cease to exist.
@@Flugs0 ?
I do think it’s somewhat ironic that the entire comment section is making fun of TBYS voice even though the whole point of this video was to not make fun of people who were born with things they can’t control.
yup, super hypocrtical
It’s more about his ideology we are making fun of, or more specifically, detested to learn about. I don’t feel hypocritical making fun of h*tler’s moustache, and neither should you
@@mastersonogashira1796 Uh, no. Not really, stop trying to rationalize. Look at the second-most liked comment on this video. Tells you enough about the audience you're a part of.
@@josh1234567892 what happened to everyone is entitled to their opinion? You can love the idiot all u want, but I think TBYS is an idiot nevertheless. Also the comment is pretty funny, and according to YBTS, it’s just banter, don’t take to heart yea? Men are like this you know, i don’t mean it when I say you are just much of an idiot as he is
@@mastersonogashira1796 Probably because Hitler is dead. And was responsible for millions of people's deaths, which is a little worse than someone who has a different opinion than you.
Still losing a 4v1 is crazy
It's good to see
nah he'd win
Im OOTL, what is the 4v1 regarding TBYS?
@@Nguyen763_Zack Ludwig and hasan and other fortnite streamers tried roasting TBYS and in the end they accomplished nothing really
@@cesruhf2605 y'all are here 1 year late
As a girl gamer, I have learned not to respond to sexism, because any response just makes it worse. And I have only ever had ONE man say something when another person was being mean to me. It was a simple, "Hey man, you wouldn't be saying any of that if she wasn't a woman. Cool off" and then he messaged me privately saying he was sorry I had to deal with that.
It sticks with me to this day as the only time I feel like the asshole on the other end of the computer registered that what he was doing might be bad. It doesn't register if a woman says it.
hehe woman go brrr
Complain more I've heard worse than you since COD 3. Get over yourself.
@@jukeplays7572 i don't understand why it's somehow impressive to be able to take more hatred from others. I'm not saying I can't take it. I'm saying I shouldnt have to. In an ideal world, neither of us have to "hear worse" anywhere. I don't understand why someone would defend and preserve a worse world than the one we could have.
Ngl, you should respond in a way that makes them feel terrible. Even if it's callimg them an incel. People like this get satisfaction regardless of if someone cares or not, not getting a response makes them think they won. Just keep saying the same insult.
@@luckirye it's in fact the opposite. They get even more toxic when you try to fight back. Ignoring someone will definitely make them more mad
im glad to see that there are creators in the gaming space who aren't absolute shitlords
Agree
Oh hey T1J, funny seeing how different creators watch each others stuff
@@toasterenthusiast8023 im a ludwig stan
@@T1J w
@@T1J W
Thanks for bringing up the statistic about women taking on gender neutral or male identities online! I used to specifically choose gamer tags that are gender neutral to avoid unnecessary annoyances. If there were shady people in the lobby it was easier to let them think I was a “squeaker” rather than an adult female. It’s both terrible and nice to see that I wasn’t the only one.
EDIT: much appreciation to everyone sharing their stories. Hope you all continue to rock it, gamers
me too!! I use a pretty ambiguously gendered gamer tag and I’m too familiar with the strange comfort that comes with being mistaken for a “squeaky boy”
WOW PEOPLE WANNA CONTROL HOW OTHERS SHOULD ACT & BEHAVE????
WELL I WANT A NEW BITICH TO SUCK MY DIC*K EVERYDAY & NIGHT IS THE UNITED STATES GREATEST PLACE ON EARTH FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF UR EMOTIONS GET HURT OR BROTHERED remember when u were a kid sticks & stones
my God how can so many adults be so so soft now
Yeah! I was blown away by 56%. I thought I was a weirdo and one of the few. I still do it to this day, but I feel better knowing there's so many others in the same boat!
Also asking me to rate her
Keep in mind I chatted with this person for over 3 years also was 12 at the time
Man ganged up on someone smaller and still lost
That Dr K clip is so on point, because it works exactly the same way the harassment works but in reverse - a girl plays in 10 lobbies in a row that are toxic just because she's a girl, chances are good she'll just stop playing the game (which btw is why I also think it's bullshit when people say "girls don't like X kind of games". More girls would play them if it didn't mean constantly wading through a cesspool of sexist commentary every time you turn your mic on)
Anyway, I think with videos like this we might be slowly, slowly getting onto the right track. Thanks Lud.
What i do is I have purposefully masculine name and don't talk ever only in text chats. But it honestly makes me sad because this tactic makes us also completely invisible to each other. How many times did a q up with another girl who's struggling with the same stuff that i do and didn't even know didn't get to simp for her and show her you can have good time in this or that game.
Except, anyone who says that, has never played with a toxic DOTA player in their entire life. You could have 1000 people, telling him that, in a 1000 matches in a row, and the behaviour would not in any way change.
Nobody cares bozo 90% of girls that I have played valorant have bottom fragged they should just stick to making sandwiches in the kitchen 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 imagine female pro players playing vs guys instant humiliation 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@Hudson Hamman So women are simply not tough enough to play the manly man games then? You sound a bit like the guy from the video. Perhaps a lot of these women are just not enjoying the game anymore because of the toxic behaviour? I've stopped playing a number of games because the atmosphere is just too unpleasant, that's not because I'm fragile, it's because it just stops being fun. I'm going to guess what a woman who uses voice coms goes through is 10 times what made me quit.
That happens to everyone though literally every online game is filled with toxic players. They don't target girls they just use the fact that you're a girl to trash talk because they know that will get you angry just like some uses race to insult too. And it's also not because you're bad at the game either these toxic people are usually terrible at the game and they harass you because they are in denial and try to blame you for their terrible plays or picks. You could suggest a swap and they get instantly offended and go off on you. These days if you want to game in peace you have to mute everyone. It's not a female only problem it's a problem for everyone in online gaming.
The idea that I'm playing with a girl or losing to one always made me feel like games were getting more popular and I'd have more in common with people I'd meet later on in life.
Or maybe you just fell off + L + Ratio.
@@lucianoariasduval ratio = liking your own comment
@@wiisports8090 I didn't, I guess someone found it funny. It's literally a joke, what's your problem? lmao.
@@lucianoariasduval Whoa, chill out dude, he was saying a joke too. Calm down
@@AdamHarte I am and was perfectly chill; read the comment a little less enfatically lol
As someone whose voice was still very high, even as a genetic and assigned at birth male, I got mistaken for a girl all the time, up until the ages of 14-15, and aside from being bullied for my age, I heard the worst most sexist shit ever, as well as utterly vile shit, along the lines of pedophilia, sexual harassment, harassment overall and I can say for a fact that women 1000% experience a worse time.
boohoo
Sounds like gaming 👍
@@woah9122 Sounds like u get zero bitches to me
Comments made by men who are going where with their lives? Just fucking mute and don't help them whatsoever, EZ.
@@woah9122 pedophilia and sexual harassment sounds like gaming? you’re sick in the head
Imagine trying to shove someone down for their ideals and still losing the 4v1 on him.
There's a reason why the first letter in Ludwigs name is the L
@@sharpexo found the chronically online person lmao
LOL fr, they never stood a chance in the first place.
Do you guys mean that about TBYS?
Cus I hope the "losing to a 4v1" means that TBYS was the better person and Ludwig being a dumbass
@@lmaoyeet135 Yeah we do, TBYS handled Ludwig, Hasan, and their other cronies and won. Made them think before they slept lol.
it seems like if a woman is present in the lobby, there is either going to be a guy who is a supreme douchebag to her or there's gonna be a guy who is extremely creepy and tries to be her boyfriend or some shit. it's rare to find decent people just being cool with one another
and you know that how?
@@Flugs0 because that’s how I react to women
@@Flugs0 Because that is how it is. Very well known.
Play a better game with a better community dude, that is not normal.
@@Flugs0 do you need video evidence or some shit? it's pretty easy to find examples of this online, just look for yourself lmao
“men don’t go around trying to change the culture of female spaces” is one of the most insane, asinine things i have ever heard in my life.
right? i had to pause in complete disbelief. no way this guy has ever spoken to a woman in his life
what's funny is that the guy is actively trying to change female spaces with his video
No, it's not... The woke mob will cancel something none of them care about and move onto the next thing.
Nah Fr 💀 men practically controlled women up until the 1900s and still to this day try to change stuff involving women. The video was probably released before this, but as we speak men are trying to make abortion illegal 💀
i mean, you don't have to like it, but it's the truth
I wont ever understand how people can keep these mindsets even after there is so much evidence against their point. It's really sad to see how people would rather put others down instead of trying to improve themselves just cause it's easier. Thank you ludwig for helping to inform people about this absolute absurdity, you made some really great points
There’s been some studies that show that our brain outright dismisses facts that don’t agree with our worldview, and gives much more weight to something that confirms our beliefs. Basically, humans dum dum and asshol
@@scottveron I think people in general are really bad at being introspective. We have some core "feelings" or beliefs that we define our existence by. In this case, the dude strongly believes in toxic masculinity; specifically the idea that it's not only normal, but imperative that men are allowed to be toxic in online gaming spaces, and that this toxicity is necessary for any "male dominated space."
He doesn't have the skills to ask himself WHY he believes those things or how his beliefs can damage others, therefore he tries SO HARD to defend his belief. Improving a person's introspection and empathy generally makes people more resistant to confirmation bias; they become more likely to say "oh, I WANT to believe that this is true, but I'm not sure." And we become more humble in accepting that we are wrong, because only sociopaths would insist on hurting others despite being wrong themselves.
Same way they do it for everything else
bruh ive said this with fighting games if you are toxic and a sore loser or cheap you never evolve i dont care if i lose i just want to get stronger and evolve i want to get better and maybe help somone else get stronger too but man does it make me sad for them that they flip out and refuse to adapt and overcome
this right here. It's so fucking dumb getting into lobbies when there is a woman present and some dumbass man has to say something offensive. the fact that every game they get into they get harassed is ridiculous. It's not being mean, it's straight up harassment.
Got that 4v1 clutch
lmaoooo all the new comments saying this, gold
@@FreyrtheFryer Come on… hype?
What do you mean?
@Sebenseven what are you saying?
@@lightingmcqueen522 ludwig lost this argument sayid that TBYS "sucks" when he had proof and beat 3 other big youtubers in an argument lol
As a woman in the scientific field, specifically in criminal justice. Men are always asking me if I’m okay, like I didn’t go to school for this for 8 years and have seen horrible shit, like my womanly heart can’t handle it. Also the only person in my lab who’s work gets “checked”. Coincidentally also the only woman.
But studies have show women on average have a lower threshold for stressful situations and clearly thinking.
It isn't sexist for them to check up on you, they are caring and just show compassion sense you are the only woman, therefore it's harder for you to voice your opinion or emotions.
I work as a nurse and I often have the female nurse ask me if I am doing ok, but not for others. That's because women will talk to eachother if something is wrong.
@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing what studies are you talking about? Source?
@@missm2925 studies conducted by a high profile institution called "trust me bro"
@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing This study that you mention is done purely on an individual basis rather than gender basis. Women in fact can handle stress and deal with stress way better than men and is highly unlikely to get mental illnesses in passing. But from what I assume, what you're trying to say is, women tends to be rather emotional in certain situations than men, which hinders objective pov and logical thinking process sometimes. That, I can agree with. Such emotional thinking is what differs men and women thought process in some scenarios. And it also factors in to why women can deal with stress better, which in turn makes them less prone to illnesses and adds to having generally a long life span than men. Though again yes, it is but only one of factors that helps the final outcome.
So the base line is, I do agree to a certain point that there are fields that requires highly logical thinking or high muscle strength, which may have a male dominance. And if there's suddenly a female colleague introduced to you in such an environment, it's only natural to show a certain level of concern towards them as opposed to male colleagues. Because it's a generic human trait to either be curious about or outright reject something that is introduced anew. (On a final note, I'm clarifying again that I "never" said anything about women being "unable" to handle a logical process. All that I'm saying is women "tends" to be more emotional than men due to their hormonal process in certain situations)
@@missm2925 Literally just google stress effects men vs women... In 30 seconds i learned that due to the different hormonal systems in the sexes, the reactions to stress are different. Overstressed women tend to begin to develop anxiety, depression, and PTSD while men eventually just snap and go full Schizo.
And if you google 'work hours men vs women mental health' you discover that women begin to develop negative mental traits if they consistently work more than 39 hours a week, while men is 47.
I learned all this in 2 minutes.
I find it really interesting that there was a study conducted that revealed that male gamers are less likely to harass women in games if said men are good at said game. These types of dudes will accept challenges from anyone because they know they're good at the game and won't have their ego wounded by any number of losses, regardless of who beat them.
Guys who play at a lower skill level are also more insecure, more prone to be the agressor in harassment, and feel like they have "more to lose" when it comes to their ego, so they make up for their difference in skill by being hyper-salty and harass anyone. Women who are in an ingame VC or happen to stand out from the other players in some way are easy targets for these guys.
TL:DR; If you're harassing people online, you literally have a skill issue. You're mad because you're bad. Git fucking good lmao
You perfectly described low tier god
Preach
quote of the day my dude
Wish I could copy this and send it to toxic players I know, but alas, youtube is a bitch on mobile and won't allow you to copy comments.
I mean this might be true, I'm quite good at cs, top 0.02-0.01 ish and I have never heard in my teams were there was a girl talk shit about her cuz of her gender, have heard simps though lol. And I do play with a few women but I never see it myself, guess it's been lucky lobbies lol.
The thing about being judged based on voice is so true, one of my fondest gaming memories is the ONE TIME my random team in an overwatch game actually listened to me when i presented a plan and then went on to actually follow it too, can you guess what happened? We absolutely shredded the other team, so incredibly satisfying to finally prove to myself that i was actually capable.
dawg its overwatch, everyone has a massive ego and never follows anyone else's plan
@@madstar44 except the people.
bruh if 30% of females play league for expemple why isn"t 30% of challengers not female this video is fkin dumb it's very rare to find good gamer girls that's why the pro scene is lacking females simple as that and team siren is perfect exemple
It's hard for someone to really comprehend something until it happens to them, I always thought things like this were just exaggerated because I really never saw it but now being exposed and seeing more examples of these things, I'm just flabbergasted that these things happen
It is so hilarious how people get self worth from such irrelevant things. A fkcing video game, really? I am a massive gamer, but I would never think "oh wow, I made one strat, I am actually capable." Nor would I care
I am attempting to follow this "drama" and this video seems to be arguing the semantics of TBYS's video rather than actually refuting it.
And given that no one in this comment section can seem make an actual argument against TBYS and would rather attack him personally or claim that he is an istaphobe, without any actual proof. I think that non of your audience has picked up any arguments either.
I am going to watch the response to this video.
I haven't even finished TBYS's response, and he absolutely blows this video out of the water.
@@GoldenRedderI am truly glad that you have. So many people are being radicalized. If you watch his videos he is actually a very supportive dude that wants the best for people. Telling people that “you have to work hard to achieve your goals” is something he encourages and he also talks in a way that isn’t just yelling over a person, like Ludwig is doing here.
Yup, I really want a response video and for them to work this out like adults
Most of the comment section are crying "sexism" while being blatantly misandrist.
Ngl I kinda disagree. I didnt watch the whole thing but for the first 40 whole minutes all he did was bring a couple valid clips that maybe one argument from lud wasnt as valid, the rest was either pointless or completely misinterpreted by him. After wasting all that time on the video, I just gave up
Call me soft if you want to, but I literally have more fun while being nice to everyone in my lobby whilest we are encouraging each other and going for that W. It's just chill and fun vibes. No insults no BS and whenever we do make jokes it's never offensive or rude. We're all adults after all. I understand though, everyone doesn't operate or think the same.
At the very least half decent creative banter would be an improvement
I agree with your comment, I want to give good sportsmanship but people are so angry and rude that it's impossible, I only hope those people can learn to calm down and be nicer, I truely hope.
that's not being soft that's just wanting to have a good time lol
common matagatsu w
I hate people who call being nice "soft", especially if its a man.. (not directed towards OP, just in general, and i do agree, i play video games to chill not throw and receive insults)
on the point "you can just mute people who harass you", he completely fails to understand that toxicity and harassment can go way beyond the chat room. i've seen countless clips of women getting griefed or killed by their own team. there isn't exactly a way to mute that.
Not to mention, depends on the person ofc, but if I mute someone because they're being an asshole, that shit sticks with me, even if it's just one game out of 10, can't imagine dealing with that all day
I'm still missing the part where them being females means they need some sort of special treatment. Like if you're a guy and you're saying 99% of the online games you played aren't full of assholes and griefers i'm saying you're full of shit. Literally every "team" game is just filled with those sorts of people. It makes no difference if someone is male of female to them, it's juts an angle of attack to latch onto.
This happens all the time. My games would get derailed and held hostage. Muting isnt always an option that works, and on top of that just because you mute the person doesnt mean your whole team will and that your team wont be affected, hence your games being affected and you giving up on playing the game. It also doesnt account for others joining in, either cause they think its funny, they want to be part of the club or they are just annoyed their game is being ruined because they have a girl on the team, cause if the girl wasnt there the other dudes wouldnt be griefing.
it only shows they are bad gamers every good player knows that you shouldn't express your tilt with the team because it carries to your teammates and makes their playing worse even if you mute on reaction their toxicity alters your mindset and affects how you play I find it funny people ignore shit like this to make even more dumb points against women it lacks emotional maturity and shows they cant communicate how to better play as a team without it dragging people down
@JuicyDizzy yeh there is…. It’s called move on and find a different group, kinda like you would irl….
as a guy who has a naturally feminine-sounding voice, i've subconsciously been conditioned into only typing in games like valorant because sometimes if i use voice chat, i'll get horendously fucking bullied. im not trying to draw attention away from women's experiences, just showcasing how even sounding like a woman in the gaming space, especially in competitive games such as valorant or fortnite, is frowned upon.
frowned upon? dude thats harrassment!
@@five885 technically, yes, it’s just been so unfortunately normalized :(
@@gabe_gaster i hate how it brings collateral damage even if youre a guy just because it resembles femininity
@@gabe_gaster it really sucks. Ive conditioned the same type of habits, as well as completely stopped playing games that i really love. This stuff is difficult to deal with and gives us trauma as all hell. My support, thoughts and kindest regards goes out to you :(
I think it’s also mainly because valiant and fortnite are commonly played by kids and just flat out toxic people. Most other popular multiplayer games I haven’t heard much issue
Ludwig got absolutly railed in the response video from TBYS
tbys cooked ngl
not rlly, he dodges a lot of stuff and fails to look at lud's video as a whole, discounting his points because he doesnt see that they lead into eachother. I saw this as someone who ISNT feminist and a guy but the disparity in videogames and blatant sexism from guys thinking they're being "funny" (which they might be to themselves and the people theyre in call with) gets really annoying after it constantly occurs. also his excuse about deradicalization is complete bs, the language he uses and comparison he makes are much worse than lud uses here (opinion but i still believe this). I also believe a lot of people have formed their opinion from the start, youtube videos are the perfect catalyst for radicalization as if you go into the comments of the video it will (as long as its a somewhat sensible take) be filled with people who agree, so when someone responds to this you take the video with scrutinizing eyes, this is increased by the simple fact that lud hasnt responded back.
@@justajukebox really? tell me one specific example from his response of him doing it.
ludwig failed to look at the entirety of the tbys video, go actually watch his response and then make that argument @@justajukebox
did we see the same video?@@justajukebox
This dude is literally "Tell me you've never talked to a woman without saying you've never talked to a woman"
Also I know Overwatch/Blizzard is garbage, but remember that Zarya player that had to prove herself in a match against another player, because they thought she MUST be cheating. The cards are stacked against female players.
You must be talking about Geguri she farmed the shit out of that team on zar
@Debo “the other god gamers who got accused of cheating”
why is overwatch garbage ?
I vaguely remember some similar sounding thing about the Zarya player, but from my memory that person was fucking cracked. I rarely think hacks unless it's obvious, but they had INSANE tracking with such a high dpi/sens. Truly envious of that skill.
1. Can someone please tell me why first part of this comment just makes me uncomfortable and makes me feel like person writing it is just dumb?? I literally need someone to explain it to me because I don't understand my feeling. Wtf
2. In the second part I don't think it was because she was women but because she was really good. Any game in which you are good people will tell that you are hacker that's just how it is. But as how it is I can't completely deny that it wasn't because she was woman and it can't be checked unless person literally say that it is why they think someone is cheating, but It also means same other way around, that's why I think we shouldn't jump into conclusions based on things like this because it can be really bad for person you accuse.
good takes all around and well articulated, 10/10.
Im assuming u mean Ludwig haha
@@fa1th178 well i mean the articles lud showed were all from years ago...
@@uslph. lud showed articles from 2-3 years ago while the guy he was flaming showed shit from 8-9 cause they were the only ones that agreed with his argument, wtf are you on about
@@nettspend_penis I agree with something of what Ludwig had to say but he didn't let him complete his point and skimmed around a lot. He also misunderstood a couple of points, could have been a better response tbh.
completely delusional. Not one of his arguments made sense. Literally all strawmen and gaslighting
i know Lud's college degrees are a running joke but his foundation in journalism really shines through in this one. good stuff
luds a joke lmao, he out here pretending women and men are the same, in the most eglotarian countrys, the % of female nurses is 3x more than in conutrys like america, because u guys enforce boys and girls to be the same since young
Suuuuuure, it's because he is saying what you want to hear
@@AcidiFy574 crazy that you're gonna call confirmation bias here... as if that isn't what that schmuck's whole argument relies on, asking his audience to raise hands LMAO
@@FamousFleming That your best reply ?
Oh BTW, I hope you're not thinking I support either of the "schmucks"
@@AcidiFy574 oh i'm sorry i didn't know i was talking to the lord of youtube comments. I didn't mean to to disrespect your enlightened self with my pathetic retord. I really regret ruining your whole day with my presence here and i hope you can forgive me for my sins, if not now maybe down the line somewhere 😔 🙏
Wow everyone in the comments sounds mature and are totally not name calling like kindergartners
@@Deletedaccount2022ie by your logic I can say you're name calling by calling me immature (you said "you think you're mature") so basically we won't be able to have a basic conversation
@@Deletedaccount2022ie I don't feel insulted, You didn't name-call me, Read your reply again and see for a question asking for an opinion, And you got your dopamine, Now kindly shut up. This conversation is the definition of immaturity.
@@Cabinet445 Your sensitive asf if you think being called immature is a form of name calling. Go back to your short bus school
@@Deletedaccount2022ie Okay
@@Deletedaccount2022ie Do you need psychiatric help?? when did I delete any of my comments?
These types of things are why I absolutely hate playing games that require mics or teams. The most online type of game I'll play is an MMO. it's just SO much more enjoyable as a woman to play something by myself where I'm not being harassed for simply existing. I hope this changes in the near future for the women who do enjoy those types of games.
@@id3389 back when I used to play COD as a teenager I would just play on my brothers account without a mic tbh. It's great practice, but it's really sad that we have to hide that we're women just to avoid getting harassed 🙃
My experience as a man has been that they will make fun of you no matter what. They're simple-minded, too, so they'll choose the most obvious outstanding trait about you to make fun of - if you're female, they'll make it about that. If you sound gay, if you sound too young or old, if you're simply playing poorly, if you take an opportunity they wanted, they'll harass you over ANYTHING. Mute is the only solution...unless you like firing back
I'm lucky I'm not into games that require precise team coordination, though. It's not as big of a deal for me. The most team-oriented game I play online is 4v4 Slayer (kills to score) in Halo, and you can do well in most games by just silently watching your teammates' backs.
You have an onscreen avatar you're literally using to simulate murdering people, and yet you want ppl to do it 'nicely'.
Men get so much more abuse than women online, and we enjoy it. Trash talking a chick is literally just a shit test to see if she can hang. Turns out, they cant. And thats fine. You're doing an awesome thing playing other things rather than trying to mommy lobbies into being kind while they slaughter each other.
@@Spritzkrieg i do agree to an extent - however, the insults hurled towards women, the LGBTQ+ community or those with disabilities can be downright horrific. i can tell you that from personal experience. women don't deserve to be threatened with SA when they play; no one does. i can handle the typical female stereotypes or insults or being ignored, i have thick skin. but there's something so inherently disgusting about people threatening to r### you with no hesitation that just. makes me feel so incredibly unsafe and unwelcome when i play. it's a genuine problem.
@@imcs I don't like how you say you "agree to an extent," and then say women don't deserve to be threatened with SA - I hope I didn't make it sound like I thought they SHOULD be!
We agree. The insults aren't good. My point is that those insults will almost always target whatever is the most obviously "different" thing about a player, meaning they don't REALLY care about the subject for which they're insulting you. They're just out to hurt you through the easiest method possible. I intend that as a form of comfort for anyone who has to put up with it.
So, I'm not surprised r*** is the first thing that this type of person chooses to threaten a woman with. It's the most simple-minded path for a gamer's insult toward a woman.
Whenever I've been asked "Are you a woman, or a young boy?" I would always reply with "a young boy" even if I was in like a duo or something with someone I knew.
Cause I knew getting treated like a young kid was better than being treated like a woman. If I messed up, I would get a "you'll get it, bro. give it a few years" at best or "go back to fornite, ipad kid" at worst.
I would rather be called an "iPad kid" than anything from the unfortunately long list of insults and names women get called for just existing.
God damn...
this makes me think of all the interactions ive had with squeaky voices lol
Me too! Team Speak with league players and I had a young man once assume I'm a young boy. He started shit talking about women and sexist jokes. I replied with an anti men joke and he said: "that's not cool man" to which I only said: "if you can't distinguish a women from a boy, you shouldn't make sexist jokes." Never saw that prick again on that server.
Sometimes I feel like once men tasted their own medicine, they get so much nicer. But why should we women keep insulting people, just to be accepted? That's bullshit.
In my experience a young child would be bullied more than a female would.
@@huggylul Having 1) been a young kid playing games in the past 2) passed as a man online, and 3) passed as a woman online, I can tell you, number 3 is the worst.
I used to have the name "Jade" in Overwatch, and even though I named myself after a male character, it was apparently enough for people to think I was female. I wouldn't say a single word, wouldn't touch voice chat, and would still have dudes attacking me for simply existing. I ended up paying $20 to change it to a more identifiably male name and it's insane the difference it makes. Silence.
If you've ever played a competitive game, then you know what I mean when I say that the moment where someone starts tilting and being toxic, the game is over. You've lost. It ruins the whole game for everyone on the team. And sometimes just having a girl on the team, existing, is enough to destroy the entire vibe of the team because someone has to open his mouth.
It's not every game, but even without voice chat, it happened to me a few times a day. And it really starts to wear you down. Like, sometimes you just sit there like "video games are supposed to be fun. Am I having fun?"
And there's still dudes like this that think that women aren't playing these kinds of games because playing candy crush is biologically coded into our DNA.
I must be an outlier, my name on overwatch was very ambiguous/femme leaning and I exclusively played Mercy, but I don't think I ever got shit talked over mic and it was never sexist. I wonder if rank was something to do with it I was 3500-3800, makes sense for the toxic people to stay lower ranks so maybe it's that, would love to see more data on it but "how often do you get harassed on video games, what's your rank, what's your gender" probably isn't going to get the best data
@@Daeyae man you are really lucky. An old friend of mine was really high rank (I think it’s gm? Idk overwatch is dead anyways) and literally could not play because she had to mute at least one person every game just to not get yelled at or insulted for being a woman. She quit before overwatch even died because of it. No idea how you got that lucky.
@@Silverado-pq6xe maybe it was super lucky, or it did happen but I was just good at ignoring it.
I have had some remarks on league, but I can always laugh it off, thinking about how sad a life someone must have to use comments like "leave top lane and go back to the kitchen"
@@Daeyae much easier to laugh it off hate when they aren’t attacking who you really are.
@@OopsAllFrench much easier if you don't take who you are as an insult.
Nothing wrong with either being a woman and/or being in a kitchen.
Streamers with millions of dollars and fans vs a single guy who knows his shit, yeah just stick to streaming we all know you don’t know crap beyond it
I used to dress up as a male in games because I didn't want to be hit on by random guys online or even harassed. I started making female toons later on in life but then that's when I had to deal with all of those random people annoying me. I never talked in chats because some people would say "female?" like somebody that has never gone outside and saw a girl before. It's embarrassing for me and embarrassing for them.
harassment isnt something you can avoid by changing which gender you present yourself as at best you can only lessen it
@@madstar44 Then why when people found out I was a girl did the harassment start? I wasn’t being bothered when I was dressed up as a guy? I did this for three years by the way.
@@cskyla1844 i mean i cant say for certain why, im not god but i can say many types of games are more specialized in harrassment, and in many games low skill lobbies tend to be less toxic, i say what i do bc everyone i know, male and female, encounter harrassment/shit talk near daily regardless of gender. maybe you just got better at games man
@@madstar44 Or maybe you don’t experience harassment the minute you walk into a lobby because of your gender. Literally I’ve been in so many countless lobbies because I’m a girl. You seriously don’t see any guy walk into a lobby and instantly get told “shut up male” lol
@@cskyla1844 i never said that there isnt gender based harrassment, just that its never the only type of harrassment in a game
I don't think an all female team will really help "normalize" women in gaming alone, there's gotta be a mixed team too. I know there's also mixed teams like in the video, but also like in the video they're dogshit, which doesn't really help their case in the mind of a sexist. Tbh i had thought women in gaming was already normal but i'm an MMO/Survival player mainly so i guess women are more visible there.
Unfortunately my friend, take any game, make it competitive and an all male team will absolutely DOMINATE a mixed sex team. Same as in well almost anything. Lol.
@@ArisenMind Well that's extremely sexist but more importantly baseless. I assume you have some sort of sources for that claim?
@@NagaSadow97 Yeah, reality. Lol.
Men dominate almost every competitive arena from physical sports to esports. There is not 1 tall female team , in relation to esports, that has won a single large scale professional tournament
In the physical world, for every female champion, the UFC is a very good example of this, their male champion counterparts outpace and outstrike them.
Sexist? Who gives a fuck? Reality is sexist and discrimantory. Nothing is equal.
@@ArisenMind So you don't have any sources. Don't get me wrong, I know in physical sports trained men pretty much always beat out trained women, that's simply a result of human physiology. However there's no physiological basis that makes men inherently any better than women in a non-physical sport like gaming.
@@NagaSadow97 Well my Nigga, Im quite correct and until there is some cadre of female Esports champion(s) that crushes all the male competition. Until then, Im correct, you aren't.
Reality. Is. Beautiful.
How about you watch the full video by Think Before You Sleep before nailing him to a cross, Ludwig isn't just misrepresenting everything he's saying, he is trying mislead you into thinking Think Before You Sleep is a minsogynst, he his far from it. All the examples in this video don't disprove any of Think Before You Sleep's points, you can even see in his latest video how Ludwig fails to disprove anything he said in that video. Please, don't blindly follow Ludwig, do your own research, come to your own conclusion and opinion.
bro i can take 30 seconds to look at tbys's thumbnails and it's just blatantly apparent he's a misogynist hiding behind (while probably also believing) the "they're persecuting me because i'm a white male" shtick. (while also apparently pushing transphobia and other abhorrent values)
That will never happen unfortunately. Most of the people who are watching Ludwig’s channel are the types to not give a single fuck about anything but their own thoughts and Ludwig’s.
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. Fans of lud dont have their own thoughts. DUMBAS
is think before you sleep a misogynist? probably not in the sense that he HATES all women. he does however pick specific examples of toxic women and then extrapolate those examples to the feminist movement in general. He tends to pin a lot of what is wrong with society today on women and the feminist movement. He probably doesn't hate women but he does go out of his way to paint women and the feminist movement in general in a negative light.
They don't care about real true equality. Most of these haters are products of Feminism. The one thing Feminism isn't about is true equality.
I wonder why like 80% of the video got cut out
Cause the video was long enough, sometimes you have to cut things short
ludwig really just cherry picks most of his points here, even with cutting out the other guys video. Honestly I think his takes on other vids are good but this is a bit of a flop
@@AfirissThe guy did a good enough job making his case awful without Ludwig needing to cherry pick
@@irecordwithaphone1856 no
@@irecordwithaphone1856 if you watch the response video, you will realize Ludwig is making shit points
Straight up, this is why I've always been too scared to play competitive games. I can't handle the back-seating and being talked down to. Shooters already make me anxious because I've never practiced with them, and then having to deal with getting abuse thrown at me the entire time is too much. And then if they aren't being mean they're aggressively hitting on you. No thanks.
*edit* This got more attention than I expected so let me address some things here so that it doesn’t get lost in the replies. The toxic shit that happens regardless of your gender is something that we shouldn’t tolerate as a community. However, if you’re here to leave a comment about how women are just being babies and everyone gets bullied, you’ve missed the point of both my original comment AND the video.
I feel you! I have never really tried competitive shooter games because of this. I've been bullied a lot growing up, why would I revisit that in my spare time for something that I'm trying to do for fun? No thank you! I'll stick with my single player RPGs.
@@Mishian yeah I play games to relax and escape life for a little, not to subject myself to hazing lol
@@swiftdeath8 so don't try a competitive game especially if you haven't put in the time to get better. Try Nintendo games, and online games will be toxic towards everyone as soon as you turn on the Mic. It's a given, that competitive will bring out the worst toxic talk ever,
Clearly these games don't give you enough intrinsic enjoyment of them to be worth dealing with all those things. I deal with them as a guy (maybe not the hitting on me part but hey who likes being found attractive anyways amirite?), but the satisfaction of getting better outweighs the struggle of getting better. If you don't enjoy the game itself that much then you are making a pretty normal decision to avoid it and avoid the negatives with it
Lol, we are not nice to each other either. Deal whit it jesus.
Can we also mention the fact that Timmy was able to deescalate the situation because he was in a position of authority, being a professional. Whereas women in most male-dominated spaces are immediately seen as inferior, and therefore would not be taken at all seriously if they simply told mysoginistic players to stop.
Exactly, the point he made was that timmy stopped being harassed because he was a popular streamer... doesnt work for popular female streamers thats for sure.
Also he's in a discord call with his friends, which will usually be more understanding when you call them out unlike an angry mysoginst gamer on a random lobby
That has nothing to do with gender. Even if a guy told some random ass players to stop being misogynistic he'd get laughed at and not be taken seriously
@@topgeorge6908 no it definitely has something to do with gender. women are seen as inferior to men in gaming because they’re “worse” and therefore aren’t taken as seriously as a man would be.
@@annamowry0531 nah if you're gonna preach you're gonna get shit on regardless if you're a man or woman
20 years as a female gamer and I still don't see improvement so it's nice to see videos like this. Hope someday I'll get to play more team based pvp and not be constantly worried about this stuff.
One of the comments down below says they changed their name to "Emily" and they said they had a worse experience in games because of it. I wonder if that's true, maybe I should try it. I don't care at all about social justice or equality, but I also don't care what someone's gender is. I'd care more if I had a sense that it actually was a big issue.
Just pretend to be a dude
honestly that whole thing about poki and the picture of her just makes me sick like, it’s so hard for men to see women as human
Improvement how? What do you mean? You wanna be taught to shoot straight? 20 years lol. Everyone’s been gaming since the first PC when they start a argument
30 years as a gamer, and i still dont see improvement, even things go worse.
first o all, as gamer, i dont put my gender anywere, there is no need to play .
btw, keep waiting if you think kids will stop being rude and insulting others over internet.
Just finished watching his reaction to this video, you should respond to it. Mainly just because I know you won't.
Yep cuz Ludwig doesn't have a point he's saying some random shits.
dude ludwig got cooked so hard
Its jover for Ludwig. He’s bidone.
Lol this made me giggle, all Ludwig does is insult TBYS and he doesn't even attempt to give valid criticism
Ludwig brings up one example and thinks he just destroyed TBYS. These people cannot debate and they don't need to, because their audience already agrees with them, and their audience doesn't know how to recognize valid points from bs.
woman are constantly told to do things different to avoid hatred and negativity from men, it sucks to see people say "just mute it" instead of "just be nice to everyone"
People won't be nice because you tell them to, but muting them works every time.
That's just people being logical.
@@Ghost-fe1vp its not hard to just be a decent human being
@@liz8986 For some people it's impossible. Hit the mute button and move on.
@@Ghost-fe1vpI get what you mean but the point of it is that the harassment happens way too often. Imagine getting those derogatory comments directed to you 9 out of 10 times. It shouldn't even happen in the first place. Plus with games like these you need to be in communication with your team to play properly.
@@liz8986 It's actually quite rare. Male on Male situations of this are far more common.
Just block the rare troll and move on. It's what I have to do. It doesn't bother me anymore. I understand women are more emotional and cry over this stuff but I don't see how we can 'fix' this without negatively ruin the fun of gaming for men in some ways.
I see so many comments hating on the TBYS guy, judging him mysogynist and hater, and have watching many of his videos he defenitely isn't any of this things, it's easier to not hear the other side and just "shoot first think later", a clown, an incel? in his videos he present problems that aggravate divide between people, that helps no one, and give his solution that is mostly to get help, communication and understanding. i see this all the time, most dont see the other side but go on hating, just sad.
Finally a sane comment
The unfortunate part is that we are basically the minority in this situation.
Fr bro I don't know why everyone is saying that he is an incel or a woman hater when every single video that he makes is to solve problems and he never hates on women
Think before you sleep has honestly given me a good perspective on life and relationships.
I sometimes sit and whine about how single I am, and watching his videos makes me understand that I should never rush into a relationship with someone just because I want a relationship.
1Make better choices 2 better choices lead to positive outcomes 3 positive outcomes lead to a happier life
TBYS helped me a lot. I was in a dark place after my experience with a woman who took advantage of me and in turn I had trust issues towards women. The one thing he said was to show indifference. Acknowledge them but don't worry about them, focus on what you need to do. And I've stuck to that philosophy for the longest time, and it's worked for me. Took a couple of years, but I've started breaking bad eating habits, exercising, even going out more and being sexually active. My girlfriend had to help me with the last one because of the experience, she's been a big help on the last one because I get flashbacks, but it's not effecting me as much anymore. He can make some bad points where I recoil back, but once I hear the conclusion it makes sense.
The issue being he'll be brutally honest and to the point with the issue, these people get mad and don't listen to the rest of it to hear the solution. They get so bent they just cover their ears and scream essentially.
Who would have thought a terminally online millionaire disconnected from reality would have bad takes like Ludwig. 🤯
Stop cooking. It’s not working out
@@JohnDoe-qs7gc You keep smelling the syrup!
@@JohnDoe-qs7gc Why stop, bro is putting Gordon Ramsay to shame.
you guys are batshit insane
As a guy it’s insane to me that these guys don’t seem to want girls to be into games as much or more than them - I’d personally find it cool to be able to talk to some of my female friends about the games I play, and play with them. Feels like it’s a fragile masculinity thing. I mean there’s even the meme of wanting a “gamer gf” - and then there’s also the “acting differently” (harrassing or acting like they want to get in their pants) because of their gender - at that point, are you even here for the game??
Fr. Depending on the game I can have some really good conversations with people I play with online. Sucks that girls sorta miss out on that, for everybody honestly.
Right? Why would someone want to gatekeep gaming? Its insane to me that some guys actually harass people in games cause they're a woman
Same, I wish I had more girl buddies in discord with me playing games. It would be cool to relate to more women about some of the interests we have.
See I just don’t care. I think we should just let people do what they want. I’ve always been an advocate against the “women in gaming” or “women in engineering” or whatever because it’s just another way of telling women what they should do. Same with men in nursing or whatever. People should just do what they want and no one should be telling them this is a man’s thing or a women’s thing. If more men play games, so what? As long as there isn’t anything forcing women away, then who cares? The only two problems are the prevelence of designs catering to men (sexualized women, especially in Chinese games like LoL and Genshin Impact) and stupid toxicity from men. Hell, it’s mostly toxicity from men because Genshin is actually really popular with women compared to most games (45% women userbase)
@@demospolsion6539 you clearly have no idea what the groups are even for as they work to promote the very ideal you wish to see. They don’t “force” anyone into anything. Learning a skill doesn’t force someone to pursue it as a career.
The reality of the world is that STEM careers and spaces still are sexist. That includes workplaces & education. The “Women in __” groups are a community response to that bigotry. They weren’t just made up for funsies. Their goals tend to be to provide spaces free from bigotry towards women in those fields thus allowing women who wish to pursue that career a more feasible path in doing so. That’s the epitome of helping people pursue whatever they’d like to which is exactly what you claim to want.
You clearly are also talking out of your ass as you also imply that there are no forces pushing women away. I’ve seen women be belittled in STEM based solely on their gender and it’s mot hard to find evidence in stem fields of this problem (Ex: all the lawsuits that Activision has right now).
You advocate against groups that promote the very ideal you claim to want to support while ignoring the reality of bigotry in the world.
Please have at least some idea what you’re talking about the next time you try to join a conversation.
I used to hate the fact that my voice sounds like an adolescent boy with a head cold. Now that online gaming lobbies are a thing, it has its advantages. It's like covering yourself in zombie guts before walking into or past a herd.
Scrolling down the comments and this made me chuckle. You have a way with words.
I’m a guy and I have a nasally voice and I get shit on by these people for it lol we can’t win
Hell nah, gamer girl > squeaker any day of the week. All the ogs agree
Omg you made me spit my cereals over my keyboard. thank you hah!
I was so self conscious of exactly the same thing. Then my ambiguous little gremlin voice became a decoy.
The scouts take is so terrible, in many other countries (like the UK) girls have been able to join for years and no one gives a shit. It’s meant to be a fun organisation where people of all cultures and backgrounds can learn skills and develop their social and outdoor skills. Everything this man has said has pissed me off so much
The only problem I have with it is that the boy scouts where made to open for girls but the girls scouts still don't allow boys. Its bs
I kinda dislike it personally. I always felt more comfortable in the organization that way and when women get involved there are a lot more complications and bs to deal with because legally they have to do a bunch of shit as a coed group, at least in America. Also maturity is a big factor. I say this as a former Boy Scout myself. Venturing on the other hand offered a coed experience, but had a higher age requirement which I think was appropriate. I think the biggest issue is the Girl Scouts just suck and that rather than making Boy Scouts coed they should have made their own Girl Scouts. That’s just how I feel about it though
@@noobmasters6913 The Girl Scouts is an entirely different organization unfortunately. They really suck and pander to the stereotypical image of what a woman is. They mostly exist for the cookies
Yeah. In South Africa we had just scouts. No boy or girl scouts. Lol.
@noobmasters69 To be clear, the boy scouts allowed females as they are going bankrupt, due to legal cases, covid and a massive decline in participants. From it's 4 million max membership, they have around 760,000 in 2020, aka they have about 20% their max amount of participants they built infrastructure for. They need females because they need participants money and the grants they can receive, not because they desire diversity or change.
The girl scouts in contrast dropped from a peak of around 2.8 million, to around 1million, aka 36%. So while it isn't good for them, and while facing some legal issues, they are not currently bankrupt. Therefore they do not need boys.
This was never about gender inclusivity for the scouts, it was money.
Think before u sleep speakin fax
Agreed, his response was much better and Ludwig took him out of context
As a man who worked in education, there was pretty high demand for more, particularly in early childhood education because there’s value in having strong male role models. There are a lot of kids whose fathers are harmful or mean, and having those positive role models to ensure that kids aren’t growing up assuming that that’s all a man can be is valuable. The problem is that men usually aren’t encouraged to take those jobs, particularly in support positions like educational assistants. It also doesn’t help that they tend to pay pretty poorly.
Real men don't need encouragement to take a particular job that they like.
@@xokelis0015real men also like to have a decent wage
@@noname-hf9ty
Real men don't demand a high wage, they acquire the skills that make them in demand and ups their wages.
@@xokelis0015 what a stupid fucking take 😂 are you seriously suggesting teaching other human beings isn't a skill in of itself? 😂 Touch grass dude
No wonder education workers are paid poorly considering the current state of the education system.
5:30 a related concept is the idea of "gender contamination", where things that were once exclusively targeted/marketed to women were, because of this, not easily marketable to men and so the marketing switched to being masculine. A notable example is actually Marlboro cigarettes! Weird to think about with the "Marlboro Man" being such a figure, but it happened because of "gender contamination."
Btw I don't know if the term sounds offensive, I'm not the one who came up with it.
you know i loved your point then you said
"Btw I don't know if the term sounds offensive, I'm not the one who came up with it."
like you need to say sorry for a word
i still think your point is great just this its sad that people need to say sorry for a word
"things we aren't allowed to say anywhere else" is such a huge red flag because a lot of us actually AREN'T sexist, racist, homophobic, and transphobic in private!
EDIT: since people are *still* replying to this comment 2 months later saying I hurt their feelings when I use words like "sexist" to describe TBYS, allow me to copy paste a later comment rephrasing my complaint:
"While I cannot say conclusively that the video creator is a victim of a cycle of repeated isolation and enflamation by certain voices on the internet that results in a bitter world view and is frequently, although not always, associated with sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and anti-intellectual views, deliberately or intentionally resulting in a slide towards extreme authoritarian political beliefs, the evidence displayed in the video he published suggest that this might, in fact, be the case. This is concerning because other voices sharing these toxic outlooks tend to flock together to disparage anyone who calls them out, employing various rhetorical tricks meant to elicit frustration, apathy, or simple anger, rather than reflecting on their own actions and the fact that they are not behaving within the tenets of a modern, cooperative society"
Is that better?
So true!
i am tho :(
The dude unironically explained toxic masculinity. The idea that men HAVE to act like assholes because of pent-up rage. This is a great example of a person defending shitty behavior because it's "normal." He has no idea how the "normal" expectations surrounding men are what lead to the idea that there need to be male-dominated spaces
@@depyjelly admitting the problem is the first step to recovery
I'm sorry ludwig but spawntaneous is seeking out her interactions, she instigates most of them herself by being rude and obnoxious and honestly if you throw shit at others something might bounce back. Maybe just maybe the fact that she has a series where she makes money from getting peoples reaction should have been a clue.
Bingo
as a former girl scout of six years, the boy scout point is so stupid. when i was in girl scouts, i earned badges such as cooking, painting, and cleaning. i never went camping, learned how to make a fire, etc. it seems perfectly logical to me that some girls want to be included in boy scouts because they do different activities then girl scouts and i don’t see a problem with that
I never thought I’d see the day that someone has the same profile picture as me
or girl scouts can just include the activities u mentioned , why even invade boy scouts that kinda seems dumb
@@freemoviescentral3168 why even split the scouts? Where I live we just have scouts with all genders.
@@cahan557 exactly, it really seems pointlessly gendered
Yes! Everyone I've seen bring up this point is not a Boy Scout, and is just getting upset on behalf of the Boy Scouts. As a Boy Scout myself, I think the inclusion is a great thing, and I think most other scouts agree. The Girl Scouts has failed so many girls that want to do fun outdoors things, the Boy Scouts welcomes them!
Dude the point about the boy scouts genuinely ticks me off.
I was a member of the boy scouts (I'm a male), and i had the worst time possible in scouts. It was full of toxic masculinity, where i was bullied relentlessly by all the athletic kids, made fun of because I didn't wanna play manhunt in the forest at night. One of the boys assaulted me while i slept and i somehow got in trouble for fighting him off me, and that same kid burned me in the face with metal water bottle he heated over the fire (i was promptly told "oh you'll be fine, it's just a small burn. Which is flipping wasn't).
Let's not forget the rampant sexual assault cases as previously mentioned. And fun fact for all y'all, my scout master was outed as a pedophile after r*ping his niece, and who's to say he didn't do so to any of the boys (he has been sent to prison, thank goodness).
If anything I'm happy boy scouts got shut down, as girls and young women didn't have to risk going through what many boy scouts (and women all around the world) have had happen to them.
People who say that feminists ruined boy scouts are daft idiots, who need to do actual flipping research.
that is absolutely heartbreaking to hear :(( i hope you've been healing well dude !
you should say fucking instead of flipping, it adds more power to the sentence
People who say that feminists ruined boy scouts are idiots, who need to do ACTUAL FUCKING* RESEARCH.
I’m sorry you had to go through that but I hope you can come to realize that your story is not representative of the whole. I wish you the best
ive never even heard stuff like that happening in the troops in my area, sorry to hear about that. i remember we used to make younger scouts do pushups to punish them but some nutjob parent complained that it was hazing and so they banned it. It was really stupid cuz like the fuck else are we supposed to do when ur kid starts giggling in his fuckin tent at 3 am and you're too shit of a parent to discipline them. It was really the only leverage we had on the kids, other than making them hold the scout sign for like 10 minutes. Physical health is something we promote in scouting, i dont think my troop was particularly toxic about it but then again we didnt do manhunts either
@@commondognut it may not be representative of a whole, but keeping it as is allows it to be open for situations similar to the above to arise. them changing it can well likely be a combative and a preventative course of action.
The fact that the guy even tried to excuse the harassment towards women by saying “oh yeah just fucking mute,” is so stupid. The point was that the harassment shouldn’t even be happening in the first place, especially because it’s targeted towards women.
I'm honestly surprised he acknowledged any harassment at all
The fact he doesn't distinguish discrimination between inherent characteristics and one's gameplay ie astounding.
I mean, even men gets harassed in a cod or lol lobby
I understand this well. The moment you speak online and sound non-American it's N-word or some other slur straight out of the gate lmao. That stuff is on speed dial🤣. I think that's probably the most frequent term used by teenagers or angry dudes in any Discord/CoD/etc lobby. So ridiculous it can't even be offensive.
Being shit/troll at the game and getting flamed for it is one thing. Being flamed for just existing in the form you do is what the women are complaining about. Some people can tolerate it, utterly ignore it, or flame back but I can see it being utterly unbearable to most humans. Like let people feed or troll before a chain of twenty n-words or orders back to some fictional kitchen come rolling in. Alas it's the nature of ANONYMITY more so than anything, where there these guys can socially limit test in a way they could never do in person. Majority of them can't even approach a woman in person or will do their utmost to avoid a real confrontation but that digital leeway to express the aggression they lack is irresistible I guess. Knowing that makes me actually sorry until logging on and turning on voice again to ni-... 🤣🤣🤣
Telling someone to mute harassment is not a defense of harassment, it is simply providing a solution...
It’s crazy how lud can talk so much and say so little
Did you listen to him at all
You couldn't pass 3rd grade, so i won't judge when you can't understand this video
@@estebab2343Yeah, and he got blown tf out, Hasan and Vaush too.
fluent in yappanese
he’s a streamer, that’s his specialty
This guy definitely has a treehouse with a “boys only, no girls allowed” sign on it
and crying why there's no girls want them
Ey, take that back. You can have a treehouse for the bois and not be sexist okay ;(
@@macin6931 True you can, but he still 100% has that sign on it
@@macin6931 yea but he’s not one of the bois
@@macin6931 Yea but he has the sign for a different reason than havin a treehouse for the bois.
Im so glad that the topic of men and women being conditioned into liking certain things and into being certain ways was brought up
It's brought up alot but hard to discuss because people always believe one completely like the colour one is completely societal but like in the Scandinavian countries you see gender preferences for jobs without any gender boundaries showing there is some natural tendency
But it is very interesting to try get a clear picture of how people understand it even if it's hard
The issue is a lot more nuanced than “society conditions people according to gender.” Yes, society does play a part in determining personality and interest, but so too does thousands of years of evolutionary biology that’s evolved alongside society. You can’t just overwrite your biological code so differences outside of just physical will always be there. But I do think this doesn’t really apply to the enjoyment of video games. Everyone can enjoy video games; genre, however, might vary a bit between genders.
@@spacelarge2143 someone’s understood it
ah yes, lets pretend that women and men are the same, lets ignore the fact that the most eglatarian countrys in the world, is where you see the biggest diferences betwen men and women, turns out, that when u stop teaching men and women to be the same tru tirrany, they are actualy very diferent, how would i have thought that this luigy guy was wrong about men and women not being diferent, ps: men hate the colour blue, the fav colour of men is red, prob cuz of blood.
The "societal pressure" argument is a cop out argument at best, and really awful excuses at worst.
Its such a nebulous and vague term, but it possesses what tiny little sense it has to maintain relevance it doesn't deserve in discussions like these.
Not being sexist is the bare minimum, but adressing sexism in a community in which you have a lot of influence is a great move. Thanks Ludwig, you're educating people who need it and that is how we change the world.
stop you're destroying male spaces 👿
i mean im only 10 mins in and ludwig is just factually wrong and speaking as if he knows he is correct. THERE IS an innate difference between men and women when it comes to liking games like call of duty or similar shooting games. that is just a fact, its not "society made it that way"
@@DaFifaKid I guess?? But i think what your missing is that yes, girls can have preferences and choose a more relax game like candy crush and that’s fine but it is based on society it’s not socially acceptable for girls to be playing fps and it is because if it wasn’t we wouldn’t be commenting on this videos. There wouldn’t be a bridge between women and men playing games if society didn’t play a role in it. You can reply so I can better understand your comment
@@DaFifaKid "innate" implies biological determinism. Is there evidence of this? Nope. It is very much "society made it that way", it's called gender roles lmao. Please look up what "facts" mean.
@@sugakookies2439 i, as a cis male, hate cod/shooting games and prefer farming sims and rpgs.
Bro imagine losing a 4v1
It's insane to me how some people can't tell there's a difference between being told you're shit at a game and getting gendered insults thrown at you because you spoke once in a lobby
Great video as always Lud ❤️
I think a great way for guys to think about it is: If the situation was flipped and only girls were constantly harassing you in game just because you are man, wouldn't you want to complain? Wouldn't you want to try and change that? Anyone who says no is lying to themselves.
Fr. I’ve never been sabotaged or insulted cause I’m a dude, I just whiffed the easiest kill ever. A girl could be the only one with kills on the team and still be lied to and sabotaged
@@colxn The thing is though sure but I still want them to be able to say those things to me, because I don't like the future where they are scared of insulting me. or its "illegal"
This is the only comment I agree with here, it's also the only one not crying because gamers use insults in game chat :)
@@jacobyakus8620 L
I was in a friendgroup that literally gaslit me into believing I suck at games because I'm a girl , luckily they are out my life now and i found friends that do support me :)
good for you!
girls are inhertely worse at video games on average, and on the extremes we dont compare,that doesnt mean u dont have to play it, keep in mind that, they arent friends, and you shouldnt consider anyone you'r friend if he is lying to you to make you feel better, and then cash it out later
So since you said they made you think you suck because you're a girl, did you find out it was because you didn't practice or were they just being bad friends
nah L+ratio u still suck nerd, skull emoji 4x
women ☕
@@triskuit I think both, if she really is bad at video games, it shouldn't be because she is female.
as a girl that gets harassed often be it for my gender, sexuality, or pronouns.
i can confirm that if you do what dr k said and simply tell them what theyre doing isnt ok and say sorry that will instantly improve my mood.
its alot worse when noone says anything, it makes me feel helpless, alone, and annoyed, and im probably just gonna log off for the day
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@@jacksocks6946 I honestly cannot even attempt to decipher what you're trying to convey, sorry
@@Miss_GiggleFarts that you are a strong woman for enduring the strife's of online play, and we love and respect you
@@jacksocks6946 okay I'm gonna just assume that's sarcasm and you're a troll attempting to tick people off but this was honestly probably just the weirdest interaction I've ever had with anyone. I'm just confused lmao
10:25 "I looked it up and it turns out that if you do the more recent one uh- oh the numbers have changed a bit, interestingly enough."
2014 study: Men 44%, Women 37%
2021 study: Men 43%, Women 38%
Uhhhh, mate.
Dude. Think before you sleep destroyed Ludwig on his response video😂😂😂
good vid, sad how people think that if they aren't using slurs in public squares, they aren't perpetuating massive problems
@@Flugs0 lmao so brave of you. Do you want a reward? nobody cares if you get your ass beat either. So the apathy is mutual, although you somehow feel special because of your apathy. absolutely pathetic
@@Flugs0 and when u get ur shit rocked for it dont expect anyone to care
@@Flugs0 Bait 🐟
@@Flugs0 no you don't, little keyboard warrior
@@Flugs0 wow youre so cool and different
dang, seeing the statistic about women using gender neutral or male identities hit hard. when i was little playing on my xbox 360 i could always pass as a little boy but when my voice started maturing i literally learned and practiced for hours to make a male sounding voice cause i just wanted to play video games in peace. im completely fine with being insulted cause im bad at a game, but when it comes to shit i literally cant control its just super annoying. Its sad to hear but its sorta comforting to know im not the only one
Grow some thicker skin and stop being so sensitive
Man skill issues I guess.
As a guy, playing as a kid no matter your gender wasn’t easy even now
"It's fun because it gives guys a chance to say all the things that we aren't allowed to say everywhere else..."
My guy took the mask off and just yeeted it into the fucking sun
My question would be, what is he saying that he isn't normally allowed to say?
@@cordingdesert9566 slurs
@@cordingdesert9566 The guy is named think before you sleep
He's a incel and mgtow grifter
He once said "I don't know much about sharia law" even though his fans are promoting sharia law in his comments which on itself it's extremely dangerous
Says in the next clip "I researched everything and I know what I'm talking about"
See, he knows if he acknowledges Sharia law with his fans , he'll get demonetized by UA-cam, if openly says he doesn't support Sharia law , he'll lose his fans and his supporters
Ludwig is right he's a grifter
He also has racist takes on white women who date black men and refers to them as "Tyrone"
How much he hates the team or just basic toxicity
People get banned for saying ggez so I dont think it’s slurs
Just shows where ur mind whorls jump to first
@@duckysteamc4995 absolutely *nobody* gets banned for saying ggez
They might get banned for saying "ggez [slur]s" though
Losing a 4v1 is crazy ngl💀
Incel
I had no idea the gender neutral nicknames thing was so widespread... I've had to do just that, multiple times in my life to get by, and I really thought I was the only one. that honestly makes me really sad
im moderately surprised most ppl guess im male in games with a name like muffin
@@madstar44 i think people tend to assume you're male regardless unless you have a name like "xx_unicornsparkles_xx" and even then, they think you're a guy taking the piss.
I've used both gender-neutral gamertags and feminine ones, and i tend to be presumed male regardless, even with names reminiscent of "hope" and "sugarrushxx" and "rosegarden
@@madstar44 IGNS like Cherrry, ButterflyWhisperer, Skylaaar, InvaderPenguin, Darkluna. 10/10 times I would assume this was a legitimate girl playing, never seen someone who didn't turn out to be a catfish use muffin as an ign, I find a lot of real womens igns usually include two words which are usually some makeup of a sweet food, a cute animal or something to do with stars / moon
@@voxol744 maybe you need to talk to more women, i know 3 or 4 called muffin
@@voxol744 mine is fart...
You should react to his retort to your video.
You should have your workers put more time into informing you on the people you try to (poorly) counter so that your retorts can actually be relevant and persuasive.
This comment section is the epitome of why the left is radicalized.
God no kidding!
It’s become a cult! Extremely black and white and with a doctrine that you HAVE to pander to or you’re ostracized
Lol the retort video is terrible and also over 1 hour long
Just over an hour of a whiney loser complaining with terrible arguments .
I wouldn’t blame Ludwig for never reacting to it
Echo Chambers
@@71nk94 True. But sad, because before I had learned of this I had a lot more respect for Lud.
This kind of gatekeeping doesn't just span across gaming, but to apps like Discord where women are harassed frequently. This causes them to quit gaming all together, which results in fewer women in Esports, and thus, less women in the top-paid leaderboards. A lot of women really want to get into gaming, I know a few as well, but most men are intentionally preventing them from doing so.
No we have fewer women in ESports because they don’t want to put work in to actually succeed like the men do.
"This causes them to quit gaming all together" Good
Most men? Broad brush there. Gotta think of people as tribes and groups, and not as individuals who have their own preferences and goals. Got it.
@@Hibernial Even as a man, most of the men I encounter are extremely toxic towards women and other men. It's not that I'm "hanging out with the wrong people" as others have told me, that's just my general experience across several servers.
> Broad brush there. Gotta think of people as tribes and groups, and not as individuals who have their own preferences and goals. Got it.
So, I can't just take my general experience as a man and apply it without getting accused of "putting them in a box"? Got it.
Listen, man, you're blowing this way out of proportion, and I know you want to sound slick, but it's not passing by me.
By "Most men" I mean even their individual characters. You clearly haven't experienced for yourself the shitshows that are Xbox Live and Discord. When I was active, I was constantly belittled by other men. I even saw so many women get shoved out of the platform.
Choose your words wisely next time, and don't try to sound smart without thinking first doofus.
@@yunggeist3211 why though? Why hate because they are women? You are no better than a racist and if your racist then please get help
Losing the 4v1 and keeping up the video is crazy. I guess itll be a good reminder to not commit past mistakes.
Incel
@@froglegstastebestsaltedFemcel
I go to nursing school and commonly I’m the only male in class if the females in nursing were as toxic as males are in gaming I would of 100% quit
Women talk behind your back, so if they talk shit about you then you wouldn't know anyway
6:15 this shit is so fucking infuriating. i play valorant and i get weird comments and harrassment every time i speak on solo queue so i just don't talk. and then those same people complain about no comms. i just recommend being friends with other girls who play games and queueing together. this harassment should not be normal and is definitely not something we should be forced to stomach alone.
AMEN
being mute or 5 stacking no in between !
Yeah it's absolutely fucking impossible to solo queue and have a good time with comms if you're anything other than a white guy fr fr
@@ic236 5 stack seems to work perfectly but i get so much sensory overload from so many people in a discord call ;-; nowadays i just play with my lovely duo and hope for the best
@@saigesmart4167 so glad ppl feel the same way i feel so frustrated all the time.. good luck on ur games! no toxicity and lots of rr in ur future 🤞🏽
Hearing his views on the differences of how man and woman talk just goes to show that he never really talked to a woman outside of his family before
His family probably find him insufferable aswell lol
YEP, I thought the exact same thing, this guy has not been around many women if he thinks that's how women and men talk
Just like black pigeon speaks
@@kenlee4356 bro that guys is the next level of bad
Tell me about it
Breadtubers try not to cherrypick challenge impossible. Lost that 4v1 lol
Videos like this are seriously so important for starting to get people out of toxic sexist mindsets. Great video :)
virgin beta
Amen! great work ludwig
@@projectrex101 you say that, clearly having the toxic mindset the original comment is referring to lmao
@@projectrex101 damn that's cringe lmfao
@@projectrex101 go do your homework billy
I really like Think Before you speak and it sucks you probably aren't gonna react to his counter argument to your video and how you even left out his main point. I'm sorry Ludwig I don't agree with you this time. You villanized Tbys before the video even started so your audience is already conditioned to dislike him.
lmao based
@@agneevb.8653 I hear that word being throw around with different context. What do you mean in your context?
@@kyleralmond6598 it means I'm agreeing with you and your opinion was great
@@agneevb.8653 Oh thanks man appreciate it for real. I enjoy Tbys' content and I hate that he's being thrown around as this woman-hating-basment-dweller. (Not anyone's exact words but I picture men who hate women to be this way)
@@agneevb.8653 Based fr
Imagine comparing being harrassed in a public lobby to shit talking with friends and concluding women just don't get it. Like what?
Imagine believing people have more respect for randoms in a pub match then their friends
@@jacobyakus8620 Respect is a two-way street, just like any conversation. If you and your friend have an agreement to say certain offensive things to each other in private, then by definition you are respecting each other's wishes. And if you say something offensive, your friend knows that you don't mean it.
Strangers don't have that luxury. In public lobbies, anything offensive you say comes at the expense of everyone else there. They have no idea what you "really" mean, so obviously, as a decent human being who doesn't intentionally cause others distress and discomfort through toxic behavior, you don't say offensive things to strangers.
@@jacksonmax12 competitive games will be competitive, mix that with the internet and I wish you all the best in trying to rid video games of PG13 voice chat, god speed friend.
@@jacobyakus8620 Jacob you’re not an idiot, so I’m sure you understand the difference between the way you speak to someone you are friends and have rapport with, and a complete stranger. Playing dumb has never looked cute on anyone Jacob.
@@JC-bs5pd videogame pub lobbies are different then real life. Do you play GTA going 60 on the highway?
His response video was honestly legendary 😂
1hr 45 minute essay lol
That video was too long But now we know that ThinkBeforeYouSleep wasn’t wrong 🤷♀️
@@CvH-wo6kc I don't think a response to having your reputation being torn up and attacked can be too long.
ludwig sucks ngl. used to have this guy on my sub list but i cant get behind this community of super-woke anti-capitalist rich streamer/youtuber archetypes that engage in some of the most hypocritical behaviors i have ever witnessed, it is also extremely disenfranchising as someone who used to enjoy ludwig, seeing his comments filled with these odd meme-brained tik tok gen z'ers that seem to get behind every single talking point that these breadtubers put out without actually doing a hair of research. i am very happy to say that i have broken from the conformity.
whats the difference between meme-brained gen-z tik-tokers and SIGMA EREEEN YAAEEGAA gojo satorouuu gymbro steroid fatphobic homophobic incel gen-zs like you? honestly cant tell. friendly fire, i guess? 🤣🤣
"men aren't going around trying to change the culture of female spaces" my brother in christ you defined all that
Legit started laughing at that like... Where has he been these past... 20 centuries?
@@TristanPignon
Can you name an example in recent history that's being pushed?
One that the creator of that video was referring to?
@@DkKombo do you think hundreds of years of history just…don’t matter? like you don’t think they shape how society works today?
@@jackiep2042 he asked for an example, not a fuckin lecture
@@jackiep2042 the past is relevant but for the present not so much as there’s not much male interest in certain fields to change much
When the dude said “this is a man’s job” that made me physically cringe
Edit: 100 likes thx
That statement is ironically the least manly thing you could say lol
All while getting hard carried as well lol
@@user-li8sr9zo9l true lol
Probably the most physical activity you've had in decades
@@12magner05
He didn't get hard carried...I think.
As a female viewer/gamer/creator, thank you for making this video. Speaking in lobbies gives brings me an immeasurable amount of anxiety simply because of the responses I have gotten from male gamers. It's rough, especially in more toxic games, but I am glad that you and others in this video (such iiTztimmy and Dr. K) are trying to bring more attention to this issue and showing others how they can help to address and deal with these situations. A seriously important topic handled amazingly well, as usual. :)
Even as a Male I have anxiety over how much toxicity lobbies can get so I stopped playing multiplayer games overall... so I can't imagine how female players go through.
stop making it a gender issu e, male gamers recive the same . dont be a wimp and “man up"
@@souijaboi3198 exactly... literally everyone and anyone is targeted in a majority of games and these people acting like "omg its only women"
@@TimeMasterOG did you watch the video?
@@limi. Why wouldn't you deactivate voice chat? That's the first thing i always did when i played mw2 or similar games years ago. No one wants someone screaming at you. Do voice chat only with people you joined deliberately not with random players. I thought that was common sense.
This video aged horribly
EDIT: everyone below my comment is arguing over stupid shit.
how
@@samantha-0909TBYS clutched a 4v1 against multiple breadtubers and now is being deplatformed by an angry white girl for being critized
@@andidyouknow8208doesn’t mean it aged horribly it just means there are two problems to work on now
@@beijingese yes it does. ludwig fully an absolutely lost a godamn 4v1 against a guy basically minding his own buisness and then people try to cook him for a differing opinion then them
@@andidyouknow8208 wtf but he’s just the messenger
It's honestly kind of hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that someone would care that much about a girl playing the same game as them.
I think he got wrecked in a 1v1 and can't handle it
He doesn’t, he’s just saying that gamer girls statistically don’t play as good as other dudes.
@@Mich-jk2ze maybe if they didn't constantly get harrassed and dogpiled on in lobbies. Women would actually play the game peacefully and get good and eventually go pro lol
That's nothing to do with the original video.
@@oofgottarunn Possible but goes against the over whelming evidence.
These people try so hard to make it seem like feminism means anything other than men and women being equal and having equal opportuinities. Also the guy's snarky know-it-all tone of voice makes me want to have my ears surgically removed
His voice makes me irrationally angry instead. It's insanely nasally beyond anybody else I've ever heard. Almost as if he's holding his nose and mocking somebody, but no that's his voice apparently.
Honestly androgynists should have their own terms, people who hate women get plenty of named subcultures, idk why the other way just gets called feminism.
@@DrGandW Well, they do, but it's more of a theory based thing. Notably, TERFs, 2nd wave feminists and the like (not sure if all radfems are "anti-men" but modern, intersectional feminism definitely isn't).
@@DrGandW do you mean... misandrist? lol
I think being egalitarianism is a better name for the equality ideology than feminism. Mainly because A) having the word be feminism will make some people reactively feel like its only for women so a non-gendered term is better in my opinion & B) unfortunately, some modern iterations of feminism are using the ideology to spread exclusion or female superiority which allows certain sexist groups to paint all feminism as an ideology in support of female supremacy. By using egalitarian instead of feminist, you disassociate from the radical feminists who believe men are evil or that call transmen “traitors” and call transwomen much worse.
Also pop feminism has gotten a bit out of hand. A lot of big feminist platforms focus on irrelevant or minuscule problems rather than real societal issues (things like mansplaining, man spreading & “sexist air conditioning” rather than important issues like transrights, modern slavery & the massively growing increase in male suicide & depression). Pop feminism and the radical feminists are the reasons why I’m uncomfortable calling myself a feminist.
This is one of the main reason why I don’t play competitive games :( my girlfriend does, and I sometimes like to watch her play but the amount of insult and harassment is way too much for me, it makes the game very unenjoyable even if it was fun in the first place, I don’t want to go through that while trying to relax
Never seen any girl harassed since I started gaming
@@Rusty01 dude... did y watch the video... there is a clear example of that. Just bc y didnt see, doesn't mean it doesn't happen
@@nathS2 he never said girls don't get harassed just that hes himself has never seen a girl getting harassed in a game
Bro I can't play on comms anymore and I'm a dude. Respect to the girls out there who play through it
@@Rusty01 congratulations on starting gaming! I know it was a long 2 hours in between firing up Harvest Moon for the first time and leaving this comment, but maybe next time wait until you have something productive to add to the conversation before you post? Cheers, mate!
I just think everybody hates this guy cause he tends to have different opinions than y’all. I don’t agree with everything he says but he makes some valid points. Especially in that legendary response video..
Really interested to see your response to TBYS’s response
He’ll probably hide from it
he probably wouldn't he can't beat tbys in this argument
He just posted, go check it out
@@4_julia Ludwig posted a reply? Where, it's not on this channel.
@@dskaz8926 No, I meant TBYS. Ludwig probably won't reply
He actually said "men aren't going around trying to changes women's spaces" meanwhile all the gross 60 y.o men are arguing against Roe v Wade rn trying to literally control what women can do WITH THEIR BODY. Not trying to start a debate on that here just pointing out how horribly incorrect everything he is saying is.
With this, you're doing the same thing he's doing. Generalizing.
It ain't about men or women, it's about people. The sooner we all realize it, the quicker we figure all of this out.
men "aren't going around changing women's spaces" because they've created societal norms and patriarchal expectations to ensure those spaces are already changed lol
@@ElSheepodoggo shut up lmao
well put
did you just compare video gaming toxicity to abortion rights?
I honestly hate when a girl joins the discord or the game lobby.... because of how fucking cringe some guys are. They either simp for them in the corniest way, or non stop berate them for being a girl. It's sad.
Yep, I've never used a mic for this reason. The only time I did I was 12 and that wasn't a good idea. It's a real shame.
For real! Am a girl and i play a lot of games and i love playing overwatch but we all know bad the community is, thankfully I don’t have a mic so they don’t know for sure if i'm a girl or not but sometimes i type in chat and they would know that and suddenly they harass me or say some dumb thing like “go back to the kitchen” like it’s really sad especially when i play with other people i feel bad because they will get uncomfortable with these situations so i started playing without the voice chat and play solo because it’s just uncomfortable to play with someone while some men are being so creepy.
Lost the 4v1 lol
16:44 I agree with the guy about this. Why does it need to be a women only team? Is it because the company thinks women aren't good enough to be in the best player team? Probably because they're the one that is sexist and keep telling the girls they aren't good enough for the main team?
Why not make a backup team, or junior team or amateur team for people that's new to the game. Why does it have to be specifically the sex you were born with as a qualifier?
That's the problem with people like him. They sprinkle in an occasional reasonable argument along with argument that sound almost reasonable if you don't think about it. It's why he has a community of idiots who follow what he says.
You should watch tbys newest video it’s long but it really shows how poorly constructed this video was but yeah I agree they should make teams based on how good you are not sex.
new fields more money for companies
I agree with flunky, if you found yourself agreeing at least a little with Think Before You Sleep then you should check out his latest video. He addresses all of Lidwig’s critiques and goes more in depth with what the ideas he was trying to convey.
because woman not as good, compared to male counterparts. There is no conspiracy, orgs want to win tourneys, which brings sponsorships. Esports generally have a "cut throat" environment, you playing like shit for half a year, and you out, regardless of how long you have been with the org
It’s really amazing to see someone with the creator out-reach like lud talk about this topic. Misogyny runs rampant in the gaming community. The younger generations of kids playing video games and hearing “men” speak to women like that is just a breeding ground for things to never change.
Yup. Lud has a young audience. Whenever he does this it reaches a lot of people. He has a lot of respect from me.
as one of the your female viewers thank you for always being so outspoken on these issues!! you are helping make the space better for all of us
I like your videos Ludwig but this video aged like fine milk
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this comment is going to age like a fine cognac my friend I 100% agree
Aged like wine. More and more males are showing their true selves
@@RmonK2000 you need to educate yourself and get your head out of your ass….
aged like fine wine lil bro