Ontario school boards sue social media giants for disrupting education
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2024
- Four major Ontario school boards are taking some of the largest social media companies to court, alleging apps such as Instagram, Snapchat and TikTok are harming students and disrupting the education system.
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Easy solution.. parents, don't give your kids a phone. School boards, don't allow phones on school property.
good luck lets ban, cigarettes, fast food and cars as well not the way wont work.
the problem is that kids are ostracized if they don't have smart phone and everyone else does. Schools should just ban having the devices on their grounds, and whitelist a set of dumb phones they can substitute.
@@nasseq If all schools banned them, then "everyone else" would not have them. I agree with OP, this is the ideal solution.
Thats simply unrealistic to think that can be done anymore
Listen you can give your kids phones but use parental controls and have an open dialog about everything. Most phones can be programmed to block apps during certain times or all together.
"We are all just prisoners of our own devices" - The Eagles
(para.) ... right?
I don't understand why phones arent banned in schools
It's unrealistic to think you can do that anymore, maybe if done a decade ago possibly....but not today. Teachers have enough to do already and now you want them to be responsible for taking away students phones too. I can only imagine the situations teachers would have to deal with to impliment a phone ban
I wondered the same, but I saw a number of students make groups to protest against banning phones. Parents as well say they need phones for communication with their kids. Gotta keep in mind that parenting has only gotten worse over time as well.
Some fools will launch a “freedom” protest.
They should be!
Look how they are putting the blame on the media, this is bullshit
They are in Alberta in the schools my kids go to,
Kids are being exposed to horrific images 24/7 through these Apps.
And adult conversations they don't understand
Like the images of trangenders dirty dancing for our kids.....in schools in story time
Ban the internet then. Ban everything.
This lawsuit wont pass. Its a quick money grab.
Parents are not who they use to be. Caring and protective.
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Nothing will change . Too many bad parents who let the tablet parent the kid
The lawsuit is ridiculous. It’s no different than Weight Watchers suing; McDonalds, Burger King and Pringles for negatively impacting their clients eating habits.
Banning the phones isn’t a solution… because the kids will still have tablets and laptops.
Teachers can uphold cell phone related policies, and parents can set conditions on their kids cell phone use, but at the end of the day it’s up to the kid. If the kid has no self control, then it’s a parenting problem.
What’s ironic, is that these school boards want to take away cell phone apps because the kids aren’t mature enough to moderate themselves and their brains are still developing. Meanwhile the same school boards think it’s okay for the same immature kids, whose brains are still developing, to make their own decisions regarding gender affirming treatment…without informing the parents. They can’t handle social media, but they can decide to take puberty blockers. lol
It is to try and cover the fact they were human trafficking minors!!!!!!
This will absolutely go nowhere.
Your not forced to use social media, you choose to use it. How are they responsible for your bad parenting choices?
My thoughts exactly lol....
1) not every child has a protective, competent parent
2) phones have become integrated into our society, unfortunately we are forced to utilize them for day to day responsibilities. It’s not surprise that teens have phones.
3) these social media apps utilize features that capture the brains endorphins and dopamine. That’s highly addictive for a developing brain.
Nobody forced them to use phones but our society has an emphasis on technology and considering those are the children that spent 2 years out of school and online learning…it’s not fair to put the onus on children.
@@britb4544 1. Is it the job of social media companies to parent their users?
2. I'm 25 and didn't have a phone until after high school. It's possible to get by without one, even if it might be an inconvenience at times.
3. Then put the blame on the provincial and federal governments who locked down the country for so long in the name of their political science.
@@britb4544my thoughts exactly! 👏👏
@@DankusMemicusit is possible and parents should be more educated, but what Brit wrote also makes sense. The apps are made to be addictive.
How about holding parents more accountable instead of a pointless chase of tech giants? At the end of the day, they control if their child has a phone or not. Be a parent 😂
Parents are too busy working 12 hours days to take care of their children. They are now being raised by social media. Easy solution would be to bring back the nuclear family and stay-at-home moms. But hey, don't let me distract you from corporate propaganda and how we need girl bosses.
Because the lawyer can't sue them on a contingency basis.
You can absolutely do that as a parent and you should. You should also raise your kids not to put too much thought in to what you see and limit time. Regardless of your rules on social media, the kids are going to do it anyways at a friend's house without your knowledge. Instead of completely sheltering your kids from it, teach them properly. If you are a respectful and mentally present parent, your child WILL listen. Show them the danger. Show them! If you shock them with reality, they'll wake up fairly quick. I'm a very lenient parent but I'm also a no BS parent. So far, my rules work and as a single father, having my daughter talk to me with no shame or embarrassment about her and her female changes and other female issues, I think, speaks volumes. It's about trust. Show them trust and respect and you'll get the same in return; not instantly but stay the course and you'll be surprised.
But to your original point, YES! Parents should ABSOLUTELY be held accountable. No question.
Your comment is irresponsible. Why would you defend corporations?
So when did teachers and schools walk away from the responsibility of teaching our children? Oh ya, they aren’t responsible for anything!
So they don’t want to be responsible for their jobs, but will demand pay raises while blaming everyone else!
Now if Trudeau had done something like this--instead of trying to protect the profits of our media giants-- I might have the tinniest of respect for Little Potatoe,
If you don’t parent your kid, someone else will.
The last time education took on Social media they took a huge beating. Expect the same this time as well.
Ban phones in class. Limit traffic on school wifi? Parent your children?
So shouldn't the kids get the money?
Huh, so what role does the parents or teachers play? Kids shouldn't have smart phones. Dumb phones have the essentials like texting and making calls. Why are the role of supervising dumped onto distance commercial entities when it should be parent's and teacher's?
imagine if loblaws but heroin in the food , are parents responsible no. the corps are they are making it addictive on purpose
They don't play any role here because we're talking about social media's role....not parents role. Parents and teachers already know their roles and have rules they must follow as parents and teachers. This is about social medias role
Absolutely! Good to see others have their heads out of their butts! They make some so mad. The parents can say no, and the school
Can take phones at the beginning of the school day!! Remember back in the day, if we had something that was no allowed at school, we’d get it back at the end of the day.
@@jnielsen90nope sorry, this absolutely is the parents responsibility as well as the school Saying no to phones.
Things nothing to do with the social media companies.
Parents aren’t doing their jobs. Period!!
Seems some of you are missing the point here. Educators are suing because of the mental effects of social media, the addiction it causes and the harm to children. Parents and Teachers can only do so much to stop the effects and this is just one of those ways.
What are kids doing with phones in class? Hello? This case is a joke.
They are on Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, Facebook, Google, Pinterest, and Messaging each other on WhatsApp and iMessage. The students are presented with, I have shared 9 of them, SO many distractions that being told to read for 5-10 minutes is something not a lot of students can do anymore. Some students find it insufferable to be sitting in silence for more than a couple minutes, and some can't stand the constant noise of their peers being distracted. It's become so chaotic that even telling a kid to put their phone away becomes a power-struggle with the teacher. So, what are they doing with a phone in class? A LOT it seems. However, if parents, social media app creators, the government, school boards, the ministry of education, administrators, and teachers work TOGETHER to get rid of these distractions, maybe we'll be successful in creating smart, critical thinking adults by the end of high school.
Agreed! What a waste of money!!
Parents need to step it up, big time.
It is not about having phones in class that everyone seems to only think about. It is the addiction to the Apps that are disruptive to children learning, the social anxiety it causes and unrealistic way of life they show.
For me, personally, my son having a phone is a safety thing. But then again, i've had actual conversations with my teen about respect, work ethic, and expectations.
2/4 teachers take student's phones from them in class, so maybe the teachers should take more responsibility with what happens in their classrooms?
@@cinmanmoocapitalism has made it so the developers of these apps, or their new owners, want as many eyes on them for as long as possible to make money. So so much of it comes down to greed. There are aspects of social media that are great, but things have changed so much in the last 10 years.
hope this gets thrown out how ridiculous
How are the companies disrupting the education system when the companies are the education you gave them 🙄 frankly the education system and companies should both go out of business
Am a parent and am happy about this issue. Also, school boards are at faults for introducing computers to kids as early as grade 3 instead of using chalkboard or board for teaching. Kids can't write properly anymore and the teachers don't care. I think kids needs to be introduced to computers in grade 7 and up not in the early stages.
IF KIDS ARE LIKE THAT THEN YOU AS A PARENTS FAILED
" Kids can't write properly anymore and the teachers don't care.."..!? Nothing is written anymore..!? EVERYTHING is communicated through electronic devices, either typed or voice recording..!?
But most importantly, teachers teach what the curriculum tells them to teach, which is designed by the provincial government! So it's YOUR government that doesn't care, not the teachers! IN FACT, the lawsuit literally suggests that the educator do care!
i at home am trying to keep them screen free, where as the schools are putting them behind screens even more by each passing day...
Kids need to be introduced to computers at a young age and be taught how to type on a keyboard. It's a digital world, everything's on computers or online now. If you don't teach kids how to use computers from a young age, you're setting them up for failure.
I'm not saying writing isn't important, it absolutely is. But you can teach a mix of both. Computers are an incredibly useful tool for learning too. There's only so much you can convey with pen and paper.
@@francissanto12 we just need to pretend it's the 90s again in school: The internet is barely useful besides text based purposes. Computers are for typing and research, and everything else is done analog. Haha... I'm mostly kidding but there is something to be said for it. I turned out with a good balance of tech savviness and analog skills without addiction or dependency on computers and devices. I use them, sure, but I can put my phone down for hours or an entire weekend and not worry about it.
Can parents sue the school boards for the disgraceful education they provide?
good idea lets blame the school boards for the children's disgraceful education
I'm an old geezer who does not understand cell phone technology. In my day, anyone caught goofing off during class got sent to detention. But in today's high-tech world, can't they just flick a switch that would block cell phone transmissions in the school during class hours?
No that's not how that works
In theory, yes schools could install a jammers which would prevent phones from receiving and transmitting. Though I do believe that these jammers are illegal for use outside of the military and police.
This comment is exactly why this lawsuit isn't going to go through or happen lmao
You've had all the time in the last 20 or so years so learn how these devices worked.
@@simpletown323 Yes it does. We already have the technology to block cell phone signals and it is not even expensive. Most schools have Wi-Fi repeaters which can also be turned on/off as needed.
Schools cannot disable wifi since staff and teachers need it.
Bigger issue is teachers cannot discipline bad behavior anymore. Parents get mad and schools side with the parents. Classroom protocol is a joke.
I believe the lawsuit is definetly the worst way to deal with these problem. As a experienced teacher I will say that puting out a lawsuit is comminicating that as a teacher you are not doing your job as expected. If the teachers can't get a hold on the kids attention its not the kids problem, its a teacher problem. Maybe it has to do with teacher just not understanding today's context: everyone quoted along the report looked at least 50+ years old.
Clearly you are not a teacher anymore
A little early for April Fools day jokes isn't it?
This is plain craziness 😂
This lawsuit reflects the lack of parenting skills and our failing education system. Yet, it's always someone else's fault. Talk about holding people responsible. Look in the mirror.
I would think it's also the responsibility of the parent? This is ridiculous. I'm sure we will never see a dime. Another way to get money for their debt recovery.
Who pays for these devices?
😆 Oh boy, this on the Parents not the Internet
The schools do not teach what is important in the first place
As the parent of children in one of these school boards, 100% support this!
My children don’t have accounts on these social media platforms, but some of their friends and classmates do. Snapchat, in particular has been used for rampant and malicious bullying, including groups of children from other schools and other school boards, specifically targeting children in our school.
For all the people saying schools should just ban smart phones, it doesn’t matter when it comes to the harassment. Not to mention the harms come from engaging in the social media platforms, so banning phones from school won’t do anything for that.
It’s not the app’s fault, it’s just for messaging and watching videos. It’s the people that use the app that are the problem.
Blame the victim!
Ya Meth is not a problem, it was made to keep troops up and wired during WWII. So if the kids today are using Meth it's not Meth that is the problem it is the kids.
So naive. These apps are designed by very smart people to be as addictive as possible. The average teen has no chance against the highly sophisticated algorithms that have one goal, to keep eyeballs on screens.
They better sue the food companies for creating sugar!!!
If the governments are getting out of paying school boards, then I guess the courts can help them get the money they need.
This case will go nowhere. Hard to prove correlation versus causation. Not to mention a product being enticing to use is just smart business practice and doesn't come close to breaking any laws.
I spoke to that firm Thursday. Now they are assisting the school board. I spoke to them about the school boards human trafficking me. WOWWWWW
These school boards are out of money. So suing these media giants will help with their budget. Hope they can afford some really good lawyers. The amount of money these companies make can not only afford the best lawyers, but also the best judge.
After this will school boards sue the entertainment industry? Video-games, movies, t.v. shows and books(comic books/manga) are distracting kids from doing their homework. Not to mention the violence they're being exposed to.
(I know this is different. Just wanted to get it out there.)
Imagine if this was America. Could school boards in America sue gun manufacturer's after there's been a school shooting and the gun came from their company?
I see this a knew this when the internet came out then more and more kids got cellphones
I was born in the 60’s
We have been saying this for YEARS ! And you are just realizing this now ?!?!?
Really ?!?!
Right?!?! Wtf
How abouts minors should not even have access or ability to sign up for any social media accounts ?
Kids need to learn how to function without electronic devices in the world taking all devices out of the schools would be a good start.
Sue the service providers, cellphone towers and teachers who allow it. Sue them all
if no one is forcing the use of, or if there no requirement to install and, or, use the apps that apparently many people find are problematic. aren't they like "free" telephone or cable subscriptions that one may have no interest in, or even cars in the city; in a word: optional. also, aren't there cellular signal blockers on the market; keep the phone, kids, it just won't work while in school.
Parents should also now sure these school boards for the closures during the pandemic. They did or should have known that these closures would harm the children. There were places that didn't close and their children are doing much better now. Equal justice for all right? Not just the privileged ones right?
A lawsuit like that would be thrown out of court, because the school boards didn’t close down, the provinces did. So in this case it was Doug Ford and his minister Lecce.
So when teachers complain that they do not have money for the basics or their paycheques, remember that they thought it better spent on FRIVOLOUS lawsuits. I have to agree with FORD on this topic.
Either you didn’t watch the video or you need to work on your comprehension skills.
This lawsuit is not using any public funds . The law firm is working on a contingency basis. If you don’t know what contingency basis means, it means that the law firm only gets paid if there’s a financial settlement or financial award.
I think the schools are even more negligent in regards to a child's mental health and should be held accountable!
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Take a shot of alcohol every time she says "student mental health and wellbeing"
This is insanity and likely it will get tossed out of court. It's not the fault of the social media apps. It's the fault of the parents and the teachers. This would be like suing movie theaters if kids skip school to go see a film.
I think parents are just as much to blame. They aren't teaching kids to be media aware. I shouldn't have to change my online behavior because people weren't looking after their kids. No sympathy. Sue the government for masks.
Parents need to teach their children:
MODERATION.
Parents handing over phones to kids has nothing to do with education disruption 🙄
Yes it does......in so many ways. If parents didn't give them phones they wouldn't be distracted by phones in the classroom, cheat with ChatGPT writing essays, not learning critical thinking skills because they think they can simply google the answer to anything, it disrupts education in so many ways how can you even say such a thing unless you're just a kid yourself
You are right, it is not the phones, it is the Apps that are on the phones.
…and parents should sue the Ontario school board for all of their selfish strikes.
so, no accountability on the students/parents/schools part?
Alberta is the only province smart enough to ban cell phones and other electronic devices in class.
Can you imagine school boards suing cigarette companies because kids were smoking in class?
This lawsuit is a joke.
Stop being dumb.
Be like Alberta.
But why do students begin allowed to use smartphones in school?
It's become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity.
-Albert Einstein
School boards in Ontario are bad for children's development in education 🤔🙏
This is smthng that should be a class action by parents NOT filed by a public school board. Srsly. The provincial gov't have no right to get in between parents, their children, and the good/services they freely engage with.
F sakes. Are they actually using a backbone?!
At this day and age with violence rising everyday, parents feel a sense of security when their child calls in after reaching school or when parents can pinpoint their child's location through the iPhone's locator app. Even though this lawsuit makes sense, the school boards need to better their ways as well.
I dont think it matters where they use there phones, its what they see on their phones. The second you use social media your perception of yourself and the world instantly changes.
The schools could ban phones from classrooms but I guess the thought of a settlement from Instagram brought out their greed.
A rack for jackets and a box for phones, fixed.
And shut off the wifi.
@@jptrainor doesnt work have to block cell towers trickier legally
@@DGE123 The school can control what's in their realm. That's all we can expect them to do.
@@DGE123 There are short range cell blockers and they are not even expensive.
You do realize that many schools ban phones in the classroom. Not to mention the harms that come from these happen regardless of when the phones are used so putting phones in a box for a few hours of the day isn’t going to do anything.
Phones, devices program people during all of their waking hours and that is why schools are having trouble keeping their attention.
Wow...this should be interesting to watch pan out.
They banned cigarettes in schools, they can do the same with phones.
We are prisoners why are you doing this to kids in fact I don’t use these apps but if it comes to other apps I and other kids will be traumatized by this
Lmfao parents taking another L as usual.
This lawsuit is not going to pass.
Panama about to sue them, they need money 💰
Isn’t this like suing a car company because you got hit by a car
Maybe the method of teaching needs to change and teach the kids how to avoid the pitfalls
Music artists have also always been distracting. Sue them as well. Anyone with more money really. Certainly isn't the fault of parents, teachers, and schools. I have to go line up to get my Tims bean water now before I get a headache.
Who gets the money? Not the fcking school board i hope... Give it to the students that are directly affected.
The trolls are out in full force tonight, apparently.
Hmmmmmm, maybe the school board should use some of these innovations to get the kids attentions.
Maybe the school board should find a way to engage children and not blame everyone else ?
This is what happens when governments and school boards fail because they refuse to acknowledge change until it's too late. Where are the technology literacy classes in school? Why has nobody addressed the fact that kids need to learn about what drives the internet and all the various platforms that use it. I've worked in tech since the mid 90's and have raised a fine tech literate child who understands why advertising shapes everything we see from news media to tictok and that people are the currency they trade in.
I'd be more on side with *people suing the school boards* for their negligence in something that was completely preventable had they hired people smart enough to do the job. Do you sue the vodka company every time you get sick and have a hangover? Or do you learn from it and pass that knowledge on to others so they can use vodka responsibly?
How about starting literacy classes for parents when they have children?
The school board doesn't make the curriculum, the ministry of education does. They're limited by the funding from the Ontario government. Why didn't the taxpayers push to update the curriculum sooner?
@@EJBradley Well government would be the ministry of education yes for sure and that very same government is never going to be agile enough to keep up with technological advancement even if it's social media that's been around for decades.
I think educators and parents need to push for the change you'd want to see by making plans and not putting more responsibility into broken politicians. They're only as relevant as we enable them to be.
@@internetsguy3506 How could teachers make their own plans though? Their job is to follow the curriculum. They are measured based on how much of the curriculum they go through and how well the kids understand it (i.e., how well they test). Teachers have very little control on what they are allowed to teach. I think (and you probably agree) that the system needs a huge update. Parents are a huge part of the problem and they unfortunately do not take enough responsibility for their own kids. Too many parents see their kids as the teacher's problem when they arent
@@EJBradley same as in any other industry, come up with a course of action. plan, and present it to whoever needs to be involved in enacting the change. Teachers have unions so that would be the best place to start unless the union isn't proactive enough to spearhead an initiative. The whole idea that waiting for change from a government who aren't educators, tech experts, or even proactive will just end in more inaction.
The tech industry is so far ahead of everyone else in terms of development cycle because everyone at every level makes contributions to change and innovation that drives their industry forward. This seems to be very much a case of waiting for something to trickle down from an empty water tower.
When I was in high school in the OCDSB I had an assignment that made us go on social media (Facebook) and write posts related to the book we were reading. I was forced to get an account or get a zero on an assignment. Kind of funny how the changed their tune. Forcing social media on one generation and condemning it with the next. Seems like a cash grab to me.
This lawyer wants change… lots of change filling his pockets $$$
So are they gonna sue the tobacco industry and the cannabis industry too?????
next, they will sue mobile device makers for making mobile devices and selling them. these people never hold any accountability and responsibility as individuals but they band together to sue everyone. lawyers will be making good money. I am glad the Ontario Teacher Pension lost so much money from FTX and commercial real estate
This will get tossed out ASAP. Why let kids play on their phones in class? Why not just put 4 Big Screen TV’s playing movies in class at full volume and sue the movie studios for distracting your students. Teachers and parents are accountable to teach theses kids and if phones are a distraction, ban them. Why aren’t you suing other apps like video games, UA-cam and messaging apps? I’m sure they are using those as well. The lawyers are gonna have a field day with this one.
Reporter " so who approached who about getting this lawsuit rolling"
Talking head "bla bla bla" non answer
Flip phone until a person is 18 years old.
Ok, this is a problem, but this is such an idiotically American way to try and fix this problem.
Have y'all considered making school more interesting and engaging?
That’s not going to solve the issue with rewiring of brains because the use of the social media apps outside of school hours. Not to mention the bullying and harassment that goes on around the clock thanks to these apps.
For those commenting that it's up to the individual to choose not to partake --- 'choice' is the keyword ... addiction destroys choice. Any exposure to social media exposes the user to the elements that are addictive by design and/or nature.
Those accusing parents --- are ignoring how successful kids of any age are in either snookering them and any other adult - and/or finding alternative avenues of getting what they want ... and what they want is what is banned from them - this, smoking, age-restriction events, you name it - it's part of human nature at that stage in our development, and every adult can recall having gone through it.
Thank you to those having put this lawsuit into action - it will prove a tough course, but entirely necessary.
easy to blame apps, harder to blame bad parenting and childish tendencies
Blame other for their own incompetence
Excellent, good luck with that. Schools and teachers could use the money.
School districts should be audited and examined for 'Double Dipping ' like selling books to school boards after they were made mandatory reading material. Like with the Catholic school board.
Government despises not having control
Big corporations and unaccountable billionaires despise not having complete control even more.
Ha ha ha...and what has UNESCO been doing for God sake. I am so grateful my kids are grown.
Hard to prove. Good luck. Desperate for money 💰. But glad someone is trying to make everyone aware of the kid's insanity. Ultimately, it is all about choice.
can you say frovolous law suit. whats the matter did the schools not get enough of a budget increase this year and instead of spending money on the kids they are wasting money. before the judge throws this case out they need to remind the lawyers who brought this case forward and their clients that kids have never liked school and that kids have bullied eachother in school at parks at malls for decades. it is the responsibility of parrents to teach the kids how to engage in person when they are not in school and when at school they should not be allowing cellphones at school. and the lawyers need to be told no frivolous law suits .
I was thinking similar. They can't control their schools so they are sueing? Do kids even go to those things anymore? I don't think they do lol 😅
The type of bullying via internet is not as obvious, but far more pernicious and harmful as that experienced "...in school at parks at malls...".
Looks like *you* should've been paying more attention by you lack of language skills.
What I read from this, school board is broke so they spend whatever money they have left on gambling in the court system instead of spending on students and teachers. Didn't the Ontario teacher pension fund invest into FTX and lost a crap load of money?
Yup was soo dumb then got shadowed by the truck protest
What a waste of time and money my god
A simple solution
All phones are locked up in a locked box at school
Lock it up in the morning
And return the phones at the end of the school day
Simple!!! 😊
more of the agenda of schools interfering in parental roles
Finally. A relevant story and good news.
Seems like a matter for law not lawsuit
Get em!!!!
The reason for the lawsuit is correct, these social media apps are designed to be as addictive as possible. However, this lawsuit will accomplish nothing. As a society it is clearly evident that there is a lacking solution for digital networks. These networks are predicated on mass user adoption to be relevant, of which is antithetical to the free of people.
Let parents have their rights back and allow them to teach the kids right from wrong (which should be happening anyway). Schools should not allow phones in class.You are there to learn, not do whatever you want to do. This is like blaming the ice on the road for your accident because you weren't driving to the conditions. Social media is an extracurricular activity and i agree that it is an addiction.
You’re clearly not an actual parent because if you were, you would know you have the right to teach your child right from wrong, and if you aren’t doing that then you are part of the problem! You have an obligation to teach children right from wrong, and the parents who aren’t doing this are part of the problem with bullying and harassment.
Schools do not allow phones in class, at least my children’s school. That hasn’t stopped the harassment and bullying over these apps, particularly Snapchat. Some of the bullying is coming from students at another school and another school board. So kids are being bullied by other kids who they have never even met.
Smoking and taking opioids is also a choice but tobacco and pharm companies were successfully sued by their product users. Go school boards, go! More school boards should sue them.