Thanks for the short resume at the start, just wanted to know if the 4080s was worth it and you're a real one for not wasting ppls time. Much love to you ❤️
Even if some of the info is not relevant to me, I almost always watch/listen to all your videos because you clearly enjoy this stuff. It’s refreshing. Thank you.
@@Timmeh_The_tyrant It was in the US at least, if you managed to get it on the first day. What I said was going to happen (that a lot of people shot down) did end up happening though. Most of the early stock was gobbled up, and instead of it lowering the prices of the non Super, it just raised the cost of the Super to be the same. It's basically the same card anyway though.
Nvidia's price and products makes no sense whatsoever. Why didn't they just drop the price of the 4080 and call that it. The 4080 Super is a product that need not exist.
For sure. Nvidia has those yields building up but they don't want to give us too good of a producy quickly because they want to keep selling $2k 4090s. Maybe we will see the 80ti and 90ti at the same time. Have you seen how the 4070 ti super was not as performant as ppl thought going from 192bit to 256bit? This is due to the large cache of course and what I would say is a 4080 ti 16gb would still be able to achieve +20% performance over the 4080 super because the bus width has far less of an impact on performance as with previous gens. I wouldn't be surprised with a 4080ti still has 16gb to enable that glorious planned obsolescence so Nvidia can sell those same people a 5080 with more VRAM.
@@christophermullins7163 There are at least rumors for a 4090 Ti and/or Super and even a Ada Titan out there right now. But still NOTHING about a 4080 Ti.
NVIDIA doesn’t have a 320 bit bus for ADA GPUs right now so it’s either 24gb or 16gb and you know they won’t step on the RTX 4090 toes so 20gb is out of the question
@@christophermullins7163 The PS5 pro is rumored to have 16gb, just like the base one , and launch in about a year. Since most games are multiplatform, and PS5 pro might last 2 years, 16 gb should be ok for 3 years but not more. But if you want to enable ray tracing at high quality, you might have the horsepower but the extra detail might need 20 gb at 1440p.
Just did the FSR frame gen mod on some games yesterday for my 3080 ti. Works way better than I expected. Hopefully I'll be good until the 6000 series releases now.
I tried on my bro's 7900 XTX, modding it in is definitely worse, but not always awful experience. If it works for you glad. Hope you cards lasts awhile. :)
If memory serves you are a maths teacher. When calculating the performance increases between models I've always taken the concomitant price increases to be non-linear - that is, the higher the model the higher the uplift. You might find it interesting to fit curves over each range and see how those curves change over different GPU series.
@@GeneralS1mba Looking at launch prices, you're quite near! If you take the 4070 as base point, the 4060 is about half, the 4080 was about double, and the 4090 about triple. If you take the 3070 as a base point, the 3060 was about 2/3, the 3080 about 4/3, and the 3090 about triple. If you take the 2070 as a base point, the 2060 was about 2/3, the 2080 4/3 and the 2080 Ti about double. (The RTX Titan appeared very late and was 5x.) But Daniel is a far better mathematician than me so he might produce some very interesting results.
This reminds me a lot about the performance difference between then 3080 10GB and 3080 12GB! Except there, Nvidia didn't have the nerve to call it a "Super" 😂
@@danielowentech You''re doing God's work with these comparisons. Seeing everything, I'm holding strong until the 6090. Initially, I was thinking of bulding a desktop system back in 2022. However, seeing the prices(especially here in EU) I just searched for the best deal on a high performance laptop as for my line of work it's already more than enough performance. I still wanted it to run some Unreal Engine and rendering as a beginner hobby and the 3080ti laptop model does all that. I will probably do the same when the 5000 series will come out and buy a 5090 laptop. I feel like by the time the 6090 comes out, I will definetly get the performance boost I am expecting from a high end desktop system and probably ride that until the ground. Unless who knows what kind of local AI model may emerge and it will make sense to actually upgrade your home system.
My 4080 super custom built PC arrives around the same time for me (Feb 8th). Its my first gaming PC, after being a lifelong console player since the nes generation. So im Super pumped! (No pun intended!)
Informative Video, Thank You! ....Constructive criticism, I realize you are pointing to things but your image moving in the middle of exposition is rather odd...
i love my 4080 super, favorite gpu i've ever owned. runs everything at 1440 ultra at 100+ fps and the FE model is dead silent and looks beautiful. couldn't be happier!
I have the KFA 2 SG the design is killer and the fans can be loud but thats when you set them to 100% but even when i put all settings to max and 165 fps i cant hear sheet
I’ve been deciding if I’m going to go 4080 Super or just pay the price and get a 4090 Super but I’m going to be playing at 1440p so I think I’m gonna go with the 4080 and save some money. (Like $800)
@@Tyler-7894090 is obviously the best of the best but the 4080 super is an amazing card too, and at nearly half the price. At 1440p you'd probably end up bottlenecking the 4090 in some games, so just go with the 4080 s and get a nice 1440p monitor with the money you save imo.
I think in the current stack the highest I would go for GPU for price to sense would be the 7800XT at $450-500. That's plenty of 1440p and I don't have a high refresh 4K monitor to make spending all that GPU money actually worthwhile. 4070 at around the same price is also like, not the worst thing ever. Everything else sucks above, and MOST of the options below also suck, especially from the current AMD and Nvidia offerings. Last gen on AMD was incredible bang for buck
@@GewelReal I got a like new 6950xt recently for $420. That is plenty of you're playing competitive games but obviously a tradeoff with the dlss and RT. I get 200+ fps at 2880p in games I usually play so my 5600x is the weakest length now by a long shot.
@@QuentinStephens Yeah, normally I do not buy such expensive hardware. But I put money aside every year, and due to covid was not really able/willing to upgrade my GTX 1080. Now I will keep this RTX 4090 for a long time (I got on a 1440P OLED). It's all about cost/year for me.
Yup I went all out with an all white build with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the white phanteks nv7 case. The pc is a beast and I keep it clean.
I would love to see a benchmark comparison on the higher end GPUs on a widescreen (21x9 or more) monitor - I have to believe that the FPS stats would be different and that widescreens require more resources! Thanks for the really straight forward and down to earth information!
it depends on the resolution. 3440x1440 requires way less work than 3840x2160, but more than 2560x1440. 4k / 5k widescreens even more taxing than 4k 2160. 4k is like 4x 1080p in terms of pixels, 4x the work, you'll often see 1/4th the fps in 4k compared to 1080p for a given GPU / graphics settings setup. other factors like memory, vram, and cpu limits will shift that around, but roughly it tends to work out that way in my experience.
Although I had to research my local GPU prices, this video sheds some light on the two variants' differences (or lack thereof). Luckily for me, the regular 4080 does get a price cut with the super now occupying its original price range.
NVIDIA tricked us into thinking the 4080 Super would actually be a new product. It practically isn't. And the worst part is: Normal 4080's are basically priced the same on the markets right now, if not even cheaper. So the basic advice is: Buy whichever is cheaper right now, there is basically no difference.
@@Kadeda People who bought that card most likely didn't have a 6800xt before that and were upgrading from older cards. And then it was actually good value.
"Part" of the blame does go to Nvidia, a bit less to AMD. There's greed there yeah. But frankly a huge part of the pricing is based on inflation. We have 1970's level inflation... for several years. It really changes things. And it _will_ turn you into an old person who says "Back in my day, a bigmac cost $2". But really it's more to do with the federal reserve, and washington fiscal policy, than McDonalds. Nvidia's pricing/performance stack is pretty sketchy though, yeah.
@@kathrynck Well... since the uplift we see on the 4080 versus the 3080 would make 4080 the 3080 successor, you can take the 3080 launch price and inflate it to today. RTX3080 MSRP was $699 in September 2020 (12GB Version was &799). Using inflation calculators to project that to 2024 (~17%) and add a little just because reasons... and the price of the 4080 actually belongs at $850 MSRP today. At most $900. This is not a case of "back in my day" LOL. Rip off city pure and simple economics. Ripoffvidia realized suckers would pay this kind of pricing when the crypto boom and scalping (which they assisted with) happened, they got used to a certain level of growth and guess what.... can't allow any retraction right! so pay up biches!
no shit!?!?!?!?!? its not like its a quite alot more powerful gpu bruv...... pounds out 20-30+ fps more in all games than a 4080 super and consumes what? 80-100w more? thats literally nothing for the performance difference there is and its on par with the powerdraw of a regular 3090. so a pretty irrelevant thing to point out.
This is excellent as the 4080 series is my gpu of choice for my new rig. Might as well get the super version, as its cheaper. Appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos, it pays off.
Well we can oc the 4090 as well, and the difference goes upto 40% with raytracing. I am not defending the current price of the 4090 though. Also I don't think you are gonna get a double digit uplift just by overclocking the 4080 super.
The problem is a technical one Daniel, but I suspect you already know. The 4080 and 4080S are both on AD103 die. The 4090 is on AD102 die. They already maxed out the silicon on AD103, so there wasn't really more room for the 4080S to grow. Some gamers think nVidia should've moved 4080 Super to AD102, but that would've never happened. Mostly because the 4090 is a $2000 card and it's selling, why would nVidia want to cut down silicon and make a less expensive card when the more expensive one sells? And that's just part of the problem, all the professional cards are also cut from AD102. And all of them regardless of if they're cut down dies or not sell for even more than the 4090. The point I'm making is there is zero incentive for nVidia to sell a lower cost AD102 die product. They're already selling every AD102 card they make for $2000 or above. Gamers may hate that, but if they want a card with this die, then they're going to have to pay the price for it.
Your 4080 & 4080 Super were really underperforming in the Cyberpunk 2077 4K DLSS Perf + RR + FG runs. There was a utilization bug at the time with DLSS + RR + FG only at 4K (weird I know). This matters because before this issue, and now with the current state of the game, the experience is 80-110fps with those settings & it’s very playable, whereas the numbers in the video are not really playable to a lot of people. The difference in how the game feels with a base framerate in the 35-40 range like with the bug, and now in the 50-65 range is massive. I just averaged 93fps on the benchmark, thanks for all the videos you do!
@@DKTronics70 in USA with 8 hrs of gaming a week.. the difference of 100watts is around $1 a month.. devastatingly high costs to run a powerful GPU, huh?
Been waiting to upgrade for a few years now, was originally looking at the 4080 but heard rumours of the 4080 S coming, decided to wait. I'm glad I did, I understand that's it's practically the exact same product but I managed to buy an MSI RTX 4080 S Gaming X Trio for £959 yesterday on Amazon. (it's now £1079) I'm actually really happy. I said I would get the 4080 if it was ever under £1000 and well, that's exactly what I just got! My MSI RTX 2080 Duke was an absolute champion though, beastly card that I got for £550, used on eBay only 6 months after launch. I'm sure I'll be very happy with my 4080 Super for many years to come :)))
Looks like Nvidia knew the limitation here lies elsewhere (cache?) other than the number of cores so they didn't feel the need to enable the full GPU die. However, for marketing reasons, they did for the "super" version. Also we have reputable reports already stating that the 4080 Super FE uses a less advanced PCB compared to the original 4080 FE, with the Super variant featuring less power phases and cheaper components (in order to keep costs low and profits high despite the price cut), that would mean less OC margin / reliability. All things considered, if you happen to find a 70-100 bucks cheaper 4080 maybe it's a better pick than a 4080 Super.
The 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super look to be cache bottlenecked, yeah. Also, both cards have no change to TDP (even though the 4070 Ti super even has 4 more gb of vram to power as well). So it makes sense that the OC potential could be somewhat greater. BUT... the RTX 4000 series, and RX 7900 series (as well as the 13k/14k and 7000X cpu's), are all bios-set to attempt a very aggressive overclock, all the time, out of the box. I undervolted a 7900X and 4090, and thermal-maxed both to 80C for paste longevity. And I'm still seeing 95% or more of their performance on both. The current-gen silicone is being pushed pretty hard into the redline on default settings. Harder than in the past anyway.
yep, today I tested a highly overclocked Asus TUF 4080 Super (curve set to 3105 MHz at 1075mV and +1500 VRAM) and got GPU Score of 31212 in TimeSpy, then I set a Suprim-X 4080 "original" to a lazy +165 core and +1300 VRAM and got a tad better result of 31492, even if it's within margin of error... where's the hardware advantage of the 4080 Super? is it the better PCB keeping clocks higher and more consistently on the original 4080?@@kathrynck
@kathrynck 4070ti super sure, 4080 super i doubt it. Remember the 4090 has 60% more cores but only 12% more cache altho I think that card is cache limited too lol.
@@Frozoken That's a good point. Actually I was thinking about what I posted and second guessing myself after the fact. 80super has 5.26% more cuda, tmu's, and rt cores... while the things which didn't change are cache, vram, vram bandwidth, and power. Meanwhile the 4090 (arguably 28-45% greater perfomance) has 60% more cuda, tmu's and rt cores. 50% more vram, 40% more ram bandwidth, and 60% more power. But only 12% more L2 cache. So yeah, if there was a 'hard' chokepoint on the L2, that _should_ really be crippling the 4090, and it's not. It could be that the 4090 is scaling with 2 factors, like the 12% L2 and a couple 60% items, and averaging out to +36% perf. But the stat which most obviously matches is vram bandwidth. I dunno. L2 could be holding all the cards back "some". but it could be vram & ram bandwidth holding the 80Sup back. Or power. I don't think it's power though. My 4090 "likes" an undervolt, and gained performance from undervolting (less thermal throttle). I gained about 5% bench over stock (TUF OC) with a fairly robust undervolt (it could pull up to 600w peak out of the box). Though I lost the gain and ended up slightly negative by thermal capping to 80C for "piece of mind" & "long term finances" hehe. A lot of these 4080 cards (non FE) have a 4090 cooler on them (a massive brick). So I don't think there's any heat dissipation limit either. The choke point has to be in the Vram amount, Vram bandwidth, or the L2 cache (or some combination thereof). It may seem like a lot of fuss over a few percent, but if you're expecting 5.26% uplift, and you get like 1.5% uplift (consistently, across different cards, makers, and test benches)... that's less than 1/3 of the expectation, and points to a major bottleneck, which may be limiting the regular 4080's (or the whole 4000 lineup) much more than a few percent. A small discrepancy which points to a possible much larger issue. I suppose there could be something dumb in drivers too (beyond MSI's problem I mean).
I upgraded from my Asus 3080 Tuf gaming to my Asus 4080 Super Pro Art series. I won't be buying any more graphic cards for several years. I'm happy where I'm at. 😊
Well the 4090 drives my 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor at 165hz perfectly, plus it kinda makes it futureproof a bit. Yes I spent "too much" but its so pleasant playing at max fps most of the time. 😀
when I bought a 980 I said that...... 4 years later, I said the same thing when i purchased a 1080ti........ want to guess what happened after that? Yup, got a 3080 and said I'm good. Yet, somehow im watching 4080 vs 4080s vs 4090 videos lmfao
@@dIggl3r cards are more expensive now. I paid 700 for the 980, 800 for the 1080ti, and right at 1000 for the 3080. Prices are getting out of hand, def cant pull off the 4090 averaging 1800..... And its the only upgrade worth while atm, and i would need a 4k screen with it. Another 800 i dont have lol
4080 was already the second most powerful GPU. The gap between 4080 super and 4090 is so big to make you spend some extra hundreds of dollars on 4090 which much better priced compared to its performance. From the 50 series 5090 and 5080 will be for sure more powerful than 4080 super. It remains to be seen if the rest of the 50 series will be more powerful but don't expect good pricing at low and mid-end.
I am a gamer that got a 4090 in May. I am also a retired software engineer, and what the 4090 does really well and at a very good price is run open source LLMs (AI). The 4090 was supposedly yanked because of bans put on countries, but production was also discontinued. And we have to ask why discontinued? I think it was an intentional move to hobble the open source AI movement to make sure the tech remains in the hands of a few corporations, and does not become the next PGP or LINUX. A popular size for open source LLMs is 13B parameters which just does not fit in 16Gb of VRAM forcing those experimenting with the tech to settle for 7B models. AI is going to mean massive dislocation in the job market and a further widening of the wealth gap ... it is only going to be worse if big tech kills off the open source AI movement. That's what is dying with discontinuing the 4090; not just 4K video, but AI being open source and directed by the public for the public benefit.
A well though out take; never underestimate corporate greed at the expense of the average person. If it was just entertainment products gouge to your hearts content but you touch on where the real money will be and where the harm is.
Just built a new PC and got me a 4080 Super. Playing at WQHD. Considered waiting for the 5000 series in January, but then again: the prices will be most likely insane and the performance jump (at least for the 80 tier card) will most likely not that high to justify the wait. Will go to 4K in 2 years or so and get a 6090 by then. I know, it's insane, probably 2,5K for the GPU, but on the other hand: it will last for many years to come...
Exactly. Maybe a 80ti and 90ti will come out at the same time. Something to understand about a potential 4080ti is that ADA architecture(massive cache) is designed to get maximum performance with less vram bandwidth. Nvidia could easily release a cut down ad102 chip and only use 256bit bus for 16gb and still get a +20% over the 4080 super. I wouldn't put it past Nvidia to do this to enable that juicy planned obsolescence of a low vram flagship lol they would never lmao
Idk if I’m going to spend 1000$ on a gpu , I shouldn’t be using upscaling 1440p just to ray trace in some games , the finals runs fantastic and it’s unreal 5 .
Pricing in Australia is based on performance you pay more if the card is faster. So all that happened is the super replaced the normal model at the same price. Because there performance is basically identical.
Why are you saying that you're paying 60% more for the 4090? Hasn't the price been like $2000 these past few months? That makes it 100% more expensive than the 4080 Super for only 30-35% performance uplift, which is insane.
NVIDIA Does it again... based on other super gpus I expected 15% faster for 200$ less I was ready to believe and buy the gpu... Should have known better :( It just moved from a gpu that was overpriced by 400$ to a gpu that is overpriced by 200$... amazing value
You shouldn't have expected that lol, just see the difference between the specs of the 4070 vs 4070 super and 4080 vs 4080 super. And from that you can could have deduced the 4080 super uplift vs the 4080 since the 4070 super has a +15-20% lead over the 4070.
It's really sad that the 4080 didn't launch at $1000 or even better $900. It would have been THE card to get and would have sold like mad. With the far smaller die size and only an extra 6gb of GDDR6x there's no way it costs significantly more to make than the $700 3080. It was just priced as stupidly as the 3090ti and now it's too little too late. The only thing it accomplishes is a moral victory in making the XTX look absolutely brainless. I feel bad for anyone that bought that flop of a GPU to still have to avoid RT games with a $1000 "flagship". It's not 2018 anymore and anyone that says RT doesn't matter is full of AMD fanboy copium.
You didn't show the part picker for the 4080 Super at $1500 to $2000 to compare to the 4090 WHY? There was no price cut after they ran out of stock in the first hour at that price!
Keep in mind that the 4080 super is 5nm not 4nm and has a few more cuda cores. so there are some differences.. I assume they are saving the money due to using the older node.
Also, It's been found out that the PCB in the 4080 Super is lower quality compared to the original 4080 FE, less power phases and cheaper components (makes sense, they cut prices but want to keep profits up) so a 4080 FE would be technically more reliable when it comes to overclocking with the two of them having the same TDP.
@@DavidAlfredoGuisado Would be nice to know, my 4080 does 3100mhz core ... so if the new ones don't oc that well, then the og 4080 is faster if you push it.
@@stangamer1151I hope so. I can’t believe they haven’t undercut the super launch already. The 7900xt by me is 680 rn. Would love the xtx to be 800 haha
Daniel what do you think a 4090 TI and 4080 TI on the horizon before the 5000 series? Both could be based on the 4090 Chip as further cut down version that the 4090 is and a 4090 TI as a fully unlocked chip
It isn´t the fully unlocked chip. It will have 72 MB L2 cache as the 4090. The fully unlocked chip is the a A100 with 96 MB L2 Cache on a hopper pcb, which costs thousands. I think the 4090 is the best value card of the ada lovelace architecture.And this will be, till the next architecture is released.
Love my 4080 super, play every single game in 4k max settings DLSS at 100-120 fps, could never go back to 1080p. And DLSS is amazing makes Vram usage go from 13gbs down to 4-5 gbs in some game. That means it will take awhile before they are hitting 16 gbs with DLSS enabled.
I ended up buying a new Gigabyte 4080 Eagle (non OC) for $959 at Best Buy right before the 4080 Super launch. Glad I didn't wait for the launch 4080 Super since the tests I have seen does not make a relevant difference.
No gigabyte for me for the 4080 especially eagle. They don’t use ball bearings and it’s just the cheaper fans with the graphene nano lubricant I give it 2 years tops until it wears out and you’d need to rma the fans.
And don't forget modding, modding is a VRAM killer. I use 23.8 gigs for Skyrim, 20+ for GTA and 15+ for Fallout 4... Modding games with high-res textures really uses up your vram; it's crazy...
@@MrDs7777 weird, when i am over 12 gb allocated, my gpu starts to stutter in games... and then again, most people i argue with have brainrot with 0 experience with vr and a 6gb gpu from hitlertimes.
Just sharing my experience. I own a RTX 3080 12Gb. I have 4k monitors and a 4k tv.. I can run pretty much anything at high settings. Yes i use DLSS and stuff like that (usually quality or balanced, often depending on the RT settings) But it's good enough, unless i nitpick, but it's good enough. FSR 3 even gives me extra frames. No need for the 4000 series. But i don't play at 300fps, i play at 40fps or 60, sometimes 120, because that's what my tv can do. I don't do competitive games, i wanna relax, not stress out, hehe.
@@MrDs7777I don't know the yield of fabricating the AD102 die. If Nvidia has accumulated enough quantity of defective AD102 dies that don't have enough (16384) cores to be used as the 4090, then it is possible to make a cut-down version. I am not sure if the yield by TSMC has been too good and there has not been enough quantity of defective AD102 dies accumulated for production of a cut-down version.
I dont want to nickpick but you should set the cores and memory clocks to the exact same and lock it in. (Also highest frequencys of each card while locked to 1.075v since most people set their v/f this way) Either set same fan curve or use auto.
How come your collumns with the stats are different for the 4080 as opposed to the other two? I didn't know you could switch columns. I've never used that software because it was hard to configure and I got irritated so I'm using that Geforce Experience thing. What were we talking about?
This bro straight up moves his own picture around pointing. That is so incredibly effective and I've never seen that before and it has me laughing so hard.
This video is very informative and I appreciate it. I plan on getting the 4080 Super and leaving the 7900 XTX behind. AMD is solid when actually gaming but geese man… I’ve been having consistent driver timeouts with this XTX and it’s annoying and I’ve had it since January. Team Green, here I come.
finding it hard to believe people are paying 2000 dollars or so, to achieve 70 fps in a video game, no matter resolution or anything..... its utterly insane!
Something to think about with reguards to a potential 4080ti.. ADA architecture is designed with a massive cavhe which allows for maximum performance with less vram bandwidth. What this means is a theoretical cut sown ad102 4080ti with only 256bit(16gb) could still acheive a +15-20% over the 4080super. Do not put it past nvidia to do this to enable that juicy planned obsolescence on a flagship gpu. Hopefully they would do 20gb but the performance difference of 256 vs 320 bit is likely just a few % again because of that massive cache.
Whats the OC potential of the 4080's? 4090's have huge OC potential which adds 10% performance without breaking a sweat. I can do round 220-250mhz core + 1500mhz on mem easy (even in RT heavy games like CP2077 max settings and avatar) which adds at least 10%+ performance in fps across most games. The 4090 Is a 1440p card if you want to play max settings @ 144hz/fps+
4080 Fe has decent Mem OC but bench testing shows the 4080 FE gains zero performance in the minimal core OC that can be done. I didn't pay attention to 4090 gains on core OC as I just have the 4080. but you might want to look into that as, core OC without gains is kind of pointless
Was curious, for your cyberpunk 2077 1080p ray tracing OD, there might be something wrong on your end, on my 3080ti w the preset I’m getting 76 avg fps. I was thinking about upgrading because I play 1080p with 240hz, and I want a smooth experience with the amazing story (all my other games my fps is fine) do you think with a 4080 super id get 200+ frames with frame gen, medium, and dlss?
The ASUS STRIX version of the 4080 Super supposedly is the fastest of the available models right now, it has a potential overclock that can be reached with their tweak tool which improves the performance to +9% or so (compared to most models that don't go beyond +3% to +5%). Then again, the regular 4080 was already a nearly maxed out card, there's not that much more they could squeeze out of it. The "real" benefit is the price cut... at least on paper. It's not actually 200$ less everywhere, in fact right now it's still as expensive as the regulars, or more. At the moment, the best thing to do is to do the good ol' waiting game.
so 4090 has a 30% improvement on 4080 but costs at least doble if not more, Honestly even with the goal of keeping the card for around a decade or so and thus trying to get the most powerful there is I don't see how to justify buying a 4090 unless you're a pro and making money with it.
what you fail to mention in this is 4080 super also has new connector that we will see in 50 series. which fixes the melting issue. if you havent gotten a 4080 and got a 4080 super you saved a bunch a money for a better manufactured card.
Random thought, gimped memory bus limits the maximum utilisation of the cuda cores so despite the S variant having more they can't be utilised this meaning the performance is around the same?
I love my new 4080 super and I have no issue using DLLS quality or balanced and FG to get high fps. feels the same to me. Probably isn't but keeps me happy if i can run path tracing. (just for the hell of it not all the time but could do)
The main problem with GPU market - it`s almost monopolized by NVIDIA and when something rising up sales - it`s going to insane. So, in my opinion - its more better to have 4080 super inside PC and loose $1K than have $1K in pocket and sold out stocks for x3 prices.
Typically there is no commentary in these types of videos. I really appreciate your analysis throughout and final thoughts at the end!
Thanks for the short resume at the start, just wanted to know if the 4080s was worth it and you're a real one for not wasting ppls time. Much love to you ❤️
Funny thing ... in majority countries ... 4080 SUPER actually didn't get ANY price cut :D
Then they wont still wont sell.
That's sculpers and AIB's
so far, same price as 4080, and actual prices are 1400$ or higher.
@@mikelay5360 yes, stores and nvidia are the scalpers
Pretty sure America is the only country that got the price cut.... Nvidia isnt the smartest
Even if some of the info is not relevant to me, I almost always watch/listen to all your videos because you clearly enjoy this stuff. It’s refreshing. Thank you.
1 4080 super + 1 4070 super = 1 4090 pricewise. Now that's insane
And that's if the 4090 was actually available at its MSRP
In my country, 1 Rtx 4080 super rog strix = 1 rtx 4090 zotac
@@danielowentech Here in the UK there are models available for MSRP.
I can purchase one in Ontario Canada Computers store today at $2499 Cdn if I’m willing to drive to that store…no online sales
@@wwk279 4080 1050€, 4090 1850€ cheapest i found in Germany. So no, the 4090 is not worth it at all for 30% more performance if it costs 80% more.
They should've called it RTX 4080 CHEAPER
nice one lol
4080 Super Discount
Not cheape tho in EU lol
except its not cheaper at all.
@@Timmeh_The_tyrant It was in the US at least, if you managed to get it on the first day. What I said was going to happen (that a lot of people shot down) did end up happening though.
Most of the early stock was gobbled up, and instead of it lowering the prices of the non Super, it just raised the cost of the Super to be the same. It's basically the same card anyway though.
Nvidia's price and products makes no sense whatsoever. Why didn't they just drop the price of the 4080 and call that it. The 4080 Super is a product that need not exist.
Who cares you’ll be the first to buy it upon any opportunity, u don’t someone will
Typical mindless consumer @@jeffrey1296-rl1mi
And yes, there NEEDS to be a 4080 Ti. With 20 GB please. To finally bridge that gap between the 80 cards and the 4090. With AD102 chip of course.
For sure. Nvidia has those yields building up but they don't want to give us too good of a producy quickly because they want to keep selling $2k 4090s. Maybe we will see the 80ti and 90ti at the same time.
Have you seen how the 4070 ti super was not as performant as ppl thought going from 192bit to 256bit? This is due to the large cache of course and what I would say is a 4080 ti 16gb would still be able to achieve +20% performance over the 4080 super because the bus width has far less of an impact on performance as with previous gens. I wouldn't be surprised with a 4080ti still has 16gb to enable that glorious planned obsolescence so Nvidia can sell those same people a 5080 with more VRAM.
@@christophermullins7163 There are at least rumors for a 4090 Ti and/or Super and even a Ada Titan out there right now.
But still NOTHING about a 4080 Ti.
I found that custom vram mod is the best way to make Nvidia cards usable.
NVIDIA doesn’t have a 320 bit bus for ADA GPUs right now so it’s either 24gb or 16gb and you know they won’t step on the RTX 4090 toes so 20gb is out of the question
@@christophermullins7163 The PS5 pro is rumored to have 16gb, just like the base one , and launch in about a year. Since most games are multiplatform, and PS5 pro might last 2 years, 16 gb should be ok for 3 years but not more. But if you want to enable ray tracing at high quality, you might have the horsepower but the extra detail might need 20 gb at 1440p.
"A COMMANDING 4 percent advantage" That shit cracked me up.
he states that in multiple vids. Not in this one. But well he is not AI at least
@@MicaelAzevedoare you ok?
@@baldlewis6270lets kiss
Anyone else feel like some devs are using DLSS as an excuse to not optimize properly?
Oh buddy we all feel like that
@@AshLordCurryI don’t feel it I think it, it’s a scummy excuse
💯💯
absolutely.
Just did the FSR frame gen mod on some games yesterday for my 3080 ti. Works way better than I expected. Hopefully I'll be good until the 6000 series releases now.
never frame-gen
@@YoungGirlz8463 why not?
does it affect details on my 3060ti, cyberpunk mid-high quality settings with dlss went from 80 to 130 fps@@YoungGirlz8463
I tried on my bro's 7900 XTX, modding it in is definitely worse, but not always awful experience. If it works for you glad. Hope you cards lasts awhile. :)
If memory serves you are a maths teacher. When calculating the performance increases between models I've always taken the concomitant price increases to be non-linear - that is, the higher the model the higher the uplift. You might find it interesting to fit curves over each range and see how those curves change over different GPU series.
Exponential price increases.
@@GeneralS1mba Looking at launch prices, you're quite near!
If you take the 4070 as base point, the 4060 is about half, the 4080 was about double, and the 4090 about triple.
If you take the 3070 as a base point, the 3060 was about 2/3, the 3080 about 4/3, and the 3090 about triple.
If you take the 2070 as a base point, the 2060 was about 2/3, the 2080 4/3 and the 2080 Ti about double. (The RTX Titan appeared very late and was 5x.)
But Daniel is a far better mathematician than me so he might produce some very interesting results.
We dont grade gpus on a curve.
@@YoungGirlz8463 but their prices do
This reminds me a lot about the performance difference between then 3080 10GB and 3080 12GB! Except there, Nvidia didn't have the nerve to call it a "Super" 😂
And it was actually more Super than this, since you got 20% more VRAM even if the raw performance bump was only like 5%.
@@danielowentech You''re doing God's work with these comparisons. Seeing everything, I'm holding strong until the 6090. Initially, I was thinking of bulding a desktop system back in 2022. However, seeing the prices(especially here in EU) I just searched for the best deal on a high performance laptop as for my line of work it's already more than enough performance. I still wanted it to run some Unreal Engine and rendering as a beginner hobby and the 3080ti laptop model does all that. I will probably do the same when the 5000 series will come out and buy a 5090 laptop. I feel like by the time the 6090 comes out, I will definetly get the performance boost I am expecting from a high end desktop system and probably ride that until the ground. Unless who knows what kind of local AI model may emerge and it will make sense to actually upgrade your home system.
Awesome review Daniel 🤗, the 4090 is indeed faster, but also uses 100watt or more compared to both 4080's 🤔
Undervolting can fix that issue @@ButeaRegalis
I have the 3080 12GB and the extra 2GB VRAM made all the difference in the world
Appreciate your work man!
You earned yourself a subscriber young man. My 4080 Super will arrive in 4 days
My 4080 super custom built PC arrives around the same time for me (Feb 8th). Its my first gaming PC, after being a lifelong console player since the nes generation. So im Super pumped! (No pun intended!)
@@royrogers495once u go to pc u can never go back to consoles
Quick update So I returned the 4080 for the 4090, been good ever since.
@@iPhone15ProMaxTitaniummay I ask why? Was the 4080 not sufficient
@@royrogers495I’m looking to do the same, PS5 player here. How’s the 4080 super? Can you get stable FPS at 4k and what graphics settings?
Informative Video, Thank You! ....Constructive criticism, I realize you are pointing to things but your image moving in the middle of exposition is rather odd...
i love my 4080 super, favorite gpu i've ever owned. runs everything at 1440 ultra at 100+ fps and the FE model is dead silent and looks beautiful. couldn't be happier!
same! she is 10 °C lower in all my games as my 3080ti before, and 50-70 watt fewer. ❤
i only dont buy a 4090 for fear that can burned 😂
You think its a good upgrade for my 1080ti ? @@user-xyz1000
I have the KFA 2 SG the design is killer and the fans can be loud but thats when you set them to 100% but even when i put all settings to max and 165 fps i cant hear sheet
I’ve been deciding if I’m going to go 4080 Super or just pay the price and get a 4090 Super but I’m going to be playing at 1440p so I think I’m gonna go with the 4080 and save some money. (Like $800)
@@Tyler-7894090 is obviously the best of the best but the 4080 super is an amazing card too, and at nearly half the price.
At 1440p you'd probably end up bottlenecking the 4090 in some games, so just go with the 4080 s and get a nice 1440p monitor with the money you save imo.
Two months ago everyone was saying to wait for the Super cards. Glad I didn't.
Waiting for tech is a fools game. Buy what you want when you want it.
@@MrDs7777 Bingo. The entire community will hve you in an idiotic paralysis waiting forever for that next thing that "just" around the corner.
When it comes to GPU's and console sure.. Doesn't apply to most other tech related things@@MrDs7777
@MrDs7777
I want a 5090 right now but I can't get it right now
My PC cost 2800 euro. 800 euro without the GPU
What parts did you use for that thang?
Never pay over 500 for a single part of the system
7800X3D, cheap B650, 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD, PSU, case all that for
I think in the current stack the highest I would go for GPU for price to sense would be the 7800XT at $450-500. That's plenty of 1440p and I don't have a high refresh 4K monitor to make spending all that GPU money actually worthwhile. 4070 at around the same price is also like, not the worst thing ever. Everything else sucks above, and MOST of the options below also suck, especially from the current AMD and Nvidia offerings. Last gen on AMD was incredible bang for buck
@@GewelReal I got a like new 6950xt recently for $420. That is plenty of you're playing competitive games but obviously a tradeoff with the dlss and RT. I get 200+ fps at 2880p in games I usually play so my 5600x is the weakest length now by a long shot.
I"m still glad I didn't listen to most youtubers and bought the RTX 4090 when it came out.
Massive W
It was the best value card in the series at the time. If you could afford it.
@@QuentinStephens Yeah, normally I do not buy such expensive hardware. But I put money aside every year, and due to covid was not really able/willing to upgrade my GTX 1080. Now I will keep this RTX 4090 for a long time (I got on a 1440P OLED). It's all about cost/year for me.
I bought a 7900xtx 6 months ago and I don't regret a thing
Yup I went all out with an all white build with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the white phanteks nv7 case. The pc is a beast and I keep it clean.
5:46 lmfao blud almost choked on his own spit 😭
😂😂😂😂
I would love to see a benchmark comparison on the higher end GPUs on a widescreen (21x9 or more) monitor - I have to believe that the FPS stats would be different and that widescreens require more resources! Thanks for the really straight forward and down to earth information!
it depends on the resolution. 3440x1440 requires way less work than 3840x2160, but more than 2560x1440. 4k / 5k widescreens even more taxing than 4k 2160. 4k is like 4x 1080p in terms of pixels, 4x the work, you'll often see 1/4th the fps in 4k compared to 1080p for a given GPU / graphics settings setup. other factors like memory, vram, and cpu limits will shift that around, but roughly it tends to work out that way in my experience.
Coming from a EVGA 3080 TI to a 4080 Super FE, I’m happy with it :) I love the all blacked out design too.
Although I had to research my local GPU prices, this video sheds some light on the two variants' differences (or lack thereof). Luckily for me, the regular 4080 does get a price cut with the super now occupying its original price range.
If you have the original 4080 don't feel bad the Supers have already beat the vanilla 4080 with high pricing MSRP is dead 💯
You can still find 4080 super at $1000 at newegg. So no 4080 owners who bought it for like $1400 should feel bad
@@adlibconstitution1609 Sold out they may say MSRP but none are available.
It has the same L2 Cache crossbar.
How could you? When in many games, they perform the same.
Straight to the point video. Good stuff.
NVIDIA tricked us into thinking the 4080 Super would actually be a new product.
It practically isn't.
And the worst part is: Normal 4080's are basically priced the same on the markets right now, if not even cheaper.
So the basic advice is: Buy whichever is cheaper right now, there is basically no difference.
AMD did the same with the 7800xt and people love that.
@@Kadeda People who bought that card most likely didn't have a 6800xt before that and were upgrading from older cards. And then it was actually good value.
@@Kadeda 16gb on a 500€ card is good, 16 gb on a 1100€ card is bad
Maybe YOU got tricked, don’t say “we”.
@@MrDs7777 nah he didn't include you, u added urself in.
This was really interesting comparison. Thank you for this video.
Nice video. Wish these were all priced reasonably. Maybe next gen.
nope
"Part" of the blame does go to Nvidia, a bit less to AMD. There's greed there yeah. But frankly a huge part of the pricing is based on inflation. We have 1970's level inflation... for several years. It really changes things. And it _will_ turn you into an old person who says "Back in my day, a bigmac cost $2". But really it's more to do with the federal reserve, and washington fiscal policy, than McDonalds.
Nvidia's pricing/performance stack is pretty sketchy though, yeah.
@@kathrynck Well... since the uplift we see on the 4080 versus the 3080 would make 4080 the 3080 successor, you can take the 3080 launch price and inflate it to today. RTX3080 MSRP was $699 in September 2020 (12GB Version was &799). Using inflation calculators to project that to 2024 (~17%) and add a little just because reasons... and the price of the 4080 actually belongs at $850 MSRP today. At most $900. This is not a case of "back in my day" LOL. Rip off city pure and simple economics. Ripoffvidia realized suckers would pay this kind of pricing when the crypto boom and scalping (which they assisted with) happened, they got used to a certain level of growth and guess what.... can't allow any retraction right! so pay up biches!
omg, it's another inflation professor. @@kathrynck
@@ChrisZukowski88 If you find "anything else" where you can compare 2020 price to 2024 price vs value at 1 to 1... lemme know.
Thanks for the Reviews, Daniel! One thing of note also is that it seems the 4090 often, if not most of the time, is using 100 Watts more power.
no shit!?!?!?!?!? its not like its a quite alot more powerful gpu bruv...... pounds out 20-30+ fps more in all games than a 4080 super and consumes what? 80-100w more? thats literally nothing for the performance difference there is and its on par with the powerdraw of a regular 3090.
so a pretty irrelevant thing to point out.
@@ahmadomar1-v3tr u ok bruv?
Great comparison thanks! Looking forward to getting my 4080S delivered tomorrow :)
But why? Some normal 4080's are cheaper right now and are the same in power.
@@Hexenkind1 nvidia needs reasons like this idiot to keep prices high. "but you all are still buying them"
@Hexenkind1 cause he's an idiot. You don't need to ask such questions for obvious answers.
Nice!
This is excellent as the 4080 series is my gpu of choice for my new rig. Might as well get the super version, as its cheaper. Appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos, it pays off.
30% for a double the price "meh" just OC 4080 S 20% SLOW ER this GPU will be kick ass.
Well we can oc the 4090 as well, and the difference goes upto 40% with raytracing. I am not defending the current price of the 4090 though.
Also I don't think you are gonna get a double digit uplift just by overclocking the 4080 super.
@@dhaumya23gango75 you probably can. im getting like 6% boost by overclocking 4070 Ti. 4080 super might get bit more, 8% or so.
@@dhaumya23gango75 At least the 4080 Super connector wont melt lol.
Great video man! Thanks very much
The problem is a technical one Daniel, but I suspect you already know.
The 4080 and 4080S are both on AD103 die.
The 4090 is on AD102 die.
They already maxed out the silicon on AD103, so there wasn't really more room for the 4080S to grow.
Some gamers think nVidia should've moved 4080 Super to AD102, but that would've never happened. Mostly because the 4090 is a $2000 card and it's selling, why would nVidia want to cut down silicon and make a less expensive card when the more expensive one sells?
And that's just part of the problem, all the professional cards are also cut from AD102. And all of them regardless of if they're cut down dies or not sell for even more than the 4090.
The point I'm making is there is zero incentive for nVidia to sell a lower cost AD102 die product. They're already selling every AD102 card they make for $2000 or above. Gamers may hate that, but if they want a card with this die, then they're going to have to pay the price for it.
100% correct
Should I go for 4080 or 4080 SUPER, 4080 is £120 cheaper
Your 4080 & 4080 Super were really underperforming in the Cyberpunk 2077 4K DLSS Perf + RR + FG runs. There was a utilization bug at the time with DLSS + RR + FG only at 4K (weird I know). This matters because before this issue, and now with the current state of the game, the experience is 80-110fps with those settings & it’s very playable, whereas the numbers in the video are not really playable to a lot of people. The difference in how the game feels with a base framerate in the 35-40 range like with the bug, and now in the 50-65 range is massive. I just averaged 93fps on the benchmark, thanks for all the videos you do!
my 3090 with dlss and amd-frame gen
if only
FSR3 mod FTW!
I haven't gotten to try fsr3. Fortunately my racing games run 200+ fps at 2880p so not sure if it would help lmao
While pulling all that power.
@@DKTronics70 in USA with 8 hrs of gaming a week.. the difference of 100watts is around $1 a month.. devastatingly high costs to run a powerful GPU, huh?
Been waiting to upgrade for a few years now, was originally looking at the 4080 but heard rumours of the 4080 S coming, decided to wait. I'm glad I did, I understand that's it's practically the exact same product but I managed to buy an MSI RTX 4080 S Gaming X Trio for £959 yesterday on Amazon. (it's now £1079) I'm actually really happy. I said I would get the 4080 if it was ever under £1000 and well, that's exactly what I just got! My MSI RTX 2080 Duke was an absolute champion though, beastly card that I got for £550, used on eBay only 6 months after launch. I'm sure I'll be very happy with my 4080 Super for many years to come :)))
Looks like Nvidia knew the limitation here lies elsewhere (cache?) other than the number of cores so they didn't feel the need to enable the full GPU die. However, for marketing reasons, they did for the "super" version. Also we have reputable reports already stating that the 4080 Super FE uses a less advanced PCB compared to the original 4080 FE, with the Super variant featuring less power phases and cheaper components (in order to keep costs low and profits high despite the price cut), that would mean less OC margin / reliability. All things considered, if you happen to find a 70-100 bucks cheaper 4080 maybe it's a better pick than a 4080 Super.
nerd
The 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super look to be cache bottlenecked, yeah.
Also, both cards have no change to TDP (even though the 4070 Ti super even has 4 more gb of vram to power as well).
So it makes sense that the OC potential could be somewhat greater.
BUT... the RTX 4000 series, and RX 7900 series (as well as the 13k/14k and 7000X cpu's), are all bios-set to attempt a very aggressive overclock, all the time, out of the box. I undervolted a 7900X and 4090, and thermal-maxed both to 80C for paste longevity. And I'm still seeing 95% or more of their performance on both. The current-gen silicone is being pushed pretty hard into the redline on default settings. Harder than in the past anyway.
yep, today I tested a highly overclocked Asus TUF 4080 Super (curve set to 3105 MHz at 1075mV and +1500 VRAM) and got GPU Score of 31212 in TimeSpy, then I set a Suprim-X 4080 "original" to a lazy +165 core and +1300 VRAM and got a tad better result of 31492, even if it's within margin of error... where's the hardware advantage of the 4080 Super? is it the better PCB keeping clocks higher and more consistently on the original 4080?@@kathrynck
@kathrynck 4070ti super sure, 4080 super i doubt it. Remember the 4090 has 60% more cores but only 12% more cache altho I think that card is cache limited too lol.
@@Frozoken That's a good point. Actually I was thinking about what I posted and second guessing myself after the fact.
80super has 5.26% more cuda, tmu's, and rt cores... while the things which didn't change are cache, vram, vram bandwidth, and power.
Meanwhile the 4090 (arguably 28-45% greater perfomance) has 60% more cuda, tmu's and rt cores. 50% more vram, 40% more ram bandwidth, and 60% more power. But only 12% more L2 cache. So yeah, if there was a 'hard' chokepoint on the L2, that _should_ really be crippling the 4090, and it's not.
It could be that the 4090 is scaling with 2 factors, like the 12% L2 and a couple 60% items, and averaging out to +36% perf. But the stat which most obviously matches is vram bandwidth.
I dunno. L2 could be holding all the cards back "some". but it could be vram & ram bandwidth holding the 80Sup back. Or power.
I don't think it's power though. My 4090 "likes" an undervolt, and gained performance from undervolting (less thermal throttle). I gained about 5% bench over stock (TUF OC) with a fairly robust undervolt (it could pull up to 600w peak out of the box). Though I lost the gain and ended up slightly negative by thermal capping to 80C for "piece of mind" & "long term finances" hehe.
A lot of these 4080 cards (non FE) have a 4090 cooler on them (a massive brick). So I don't think there's any heat dissipation limit either.
The choke point has to be in the Vram amount, Vram bandwidth, or the L2 cache (or some combination thereof).
It may seem like a lot of fuss over a few percent, but if you're expecting 5.26% uplift, and you get like 1.5% uplift (consistently, across different cards, makers, and test benches)... that's less than 1/3 of the expectation, and points to a major bottleneck, which may be limiting the regular 4080's (or the whole 4000 lineup) much more than a few percent. A small discrepancy which points to a possible much larger issue.
I suppose there could be something dumb in drivers too (beyond MSI's problem I mean).
The silicon quality that affects the automatic boost frequency of each core, can make more difference when GPU specs are so close.
I upgraded from my Asus 3080 Tuf gaming to my Asus 4080 Super Pro Art series. I won't be buying any more graphic cards for several years. I'm happy where I'm at. 😊
Be nice to see VR included in these test comparisons.
Well the 4090 drives my 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor at 165hz perfectly, plus it kinda makes it futureproof a bit. Yes I spent "too much" but its so pleasant playing at max fps most of the time. 😀
till the 5090 comes around and gameoptimizations get even shittier.
when I bought a 980 I said that...... 4 years later, I said the same thing when i purchased a 1080ti........ want to guess what happened after that? Yup, got a 3080 and said I'm good. Yet, somehow im watching 4080 vs 4080s vs 4090 videos lmfao
My 4090 drives a 4k 240, 3440x1440 175, and a 1440 144.
@@Crecross YEEHAAA!! You have more money than I (well, its all on credit card for me lol). 🙂
@@dIggl3r cards are more expensive now. I paid 700 for the 980, 800 for the 1080ti, and right at 1000 for the 3080. Prices are getting out of hand, def cant pull off the 4090 averaging 1800..... And its the only upgrade worth while atm, and i would need a 4k screen with it. Another 800 i dont have lol
Thanks for the advice. This helps me make my decision on purchase.
Should I send my 4080 Super brought for MSRP back and wait for the "4080 Ti super duper turbo mega epic monster master XXXXv3" to maybe come out later
4080 was already the second most powerful GPU. The gap between 4080 super and 4090 is so big to make you spend some extra hundreds of dollars on 4090 which much better priced compared to its performance.
From the 50 series 5090 and 5080 will be for sure more powerful than 4080 super. It remains to be seen if the rest of the 50 series will be more powerful but don't expect good pricing at low and mid-end.
Awesome review, thx.
I am a gamer that got a 4090 in May. I am also a retired software engineer, and what the 4090 does really well and at a very good price is run open source LLMs (AI). The 4090 was supposedly yanked because of bans put on countries, but production was also discontinued. And we have to ask why discontinued? I think it was an intentional move to hobble the open source AI movement to make sure the tech remains in the hands of a few corporations, and does not become the next PGP or LINUX. A popular size for open source LLMs is 13B parameters which just does not fit in 16Gb of VRAM forcing those experimenting with the tech to settle for 7B models. AI is going to mean massive dislocation in the job market and a further widening of the wealth gap ... it is only going to be worse if big tech kills off the open source AI movement. That's what is dying with discontinuing the 4090; not just 4K video, but AI being open source and directed by the public for the public benefit.
You are 100% right
A well though out take; never underestimate corporate greed at the expense of the average person. If it was just entertainment products gouge to your hearts content but you touch on where the real money will be and where the harm is.
Just built a new PC and got me a 4080 Super. Playing at WQHD.
Considered waiting for the 5000 series in January, but then again: the prices will be most likely insane and the performance jump (at least for the 80 tier card) will most likely not that high to justify the wait.
Will go to 4K in 2 years or so and get a 6090 by then. I know, it's insane, probably 2,5K for the GPU, but on the other hand: it will last for many years to come...
Nvidia wants to milk the 4090 for as long as they can lmao
Exactly. Maybe a 80ti and 90ti will come out at the same time. Something to understand about a potential 4080ti is that ADA architecture(massive cache) is designed to get maximum performance with less vram bandwidth. Nvidia could easily release a cut down ad102 chip and only use 256bit bus for 16gb and still get a +20% over the 4080 super. I wouldn't put it past Nvidia to do this to enable that juicy planned obsolescence of a low vram flagship lol they would never lmao
Love you video bros, i have question how about 1440p at 21:9 ratio, considering for the new monster hunter game, 4080s versus 4090, thoughts?
It's ideal I use that resolution
If you want to play in 4k with max details 4090. All resolutions below 4k 4080super or less.
Idk if I’m going to spend 1000$ on a gpu , I shouldn’t be using upscaling 1440p just to ray trace in some games , the finals runs fantastic and it’s unreal 5 .
Yh and still dropping below 60fps.😂
Why?
Pricing in Australia is based on performance you pay more if the card is faster. So all that happened is the super replaced the normal model at the same price. Because there performance is basically identical.
Thanks for the video! Could you please make on comparing the 4080 (super) with the 4070ti super?
The ultimate test, thx ❤
Why are you saying that you're paying 60% more for the 4090? Hasn't the price been like $2000 these past few months? That makes it 100% more expensive than the 4080 Super for only 30-35% performance uplift, which is insane.
At that point I'm discussing MSRP. Later I mentioned that current 4090 pricing is closer to double.
I bought one last month below list. And so can you if you don’t mind spending an hour.
Would you be able to add a vr comparison between the cards too?
I want to get the 4090 but price to performance when compared with 4080 super it a hard pill to swallow.
Same.
GREAT work, thanks ..
NVIDIA Does it again... based on other super gpus I expected 15% faster for 200$ less I was ready to believe and buy the gpu... Should have known better :(
It just moved from a gpu that was overpriced by 400$ to a gpu that is overpriced by 200$... amazing value
You shouldn't have expected that lol, just see the difference between the specs of the 4070 vs 4070 super and 4080 vs 4080 super. And from that you can could have deduced the 4080 super uplift vs the 4080 since the 4070 super has a +15-20% lead over the 4070.
Why would you expect the second fastest GPU on the market to get faster? Hell it’s amazing is got a $200 price drop.
saw this vid last week , went to the shop and bought t gaming pc with a 4090 and a samsung neo9 57 inch . happy af with it .
It's really sad that the 4080 didn't launch at $1000 or even better $900. It would have been THE card to get and would have sold like mad. With the far smaller die size and only an extra 6gb of GDDR6x there's no way it costs significantly more to make than the $700 3080. It was just priced as stupidly as the 3090ti and now it's too little too late. The only thing it accomplishes is a moral victory in making the XTX look absolutely brainless. I feel bad for anyone that bought that flop of a GPU to still have to avoid RT games with a $1000 "flagship".
It's not 2018 anymore and anyone that says RT doesn't matter is full of AMD fanboy copium.
You didn't show the part picker for the 4080 Super at $1500 to $2000 to compare to the 4090 WHY? There was no price cut after they ran out of stock in the first hour at that price!
Keep in mind that the 4080 super is 5nm not 4nm and has a few more cuda cores. so there are some differences.. I assume they are saving the money due to using the older node.
Those additional differences are only on paper. In practice they mean nothing.^^
@@Hexenkind1 - i was addressing the price not the performance.. and they DO impact the cost of the node process and nvidia’s margin on the cards
@@cjadams7434 Well as a consumer that doen't concern me. I am only interested in value for money.
Also, It's been found out that the PCB in the 4080 Super is lower quality compared to the original 4080 FE, less power phases and cheaper components (makes sense, they cut prices but want to keep profits up) so a 4080 FE would be technically more reliable when it comes to overclocking with the two of them having the same TDP.
@@DavidAlfredoGuisado Would be nice to know, my 4080 does 3100mhz core ... so if the new ones don't oc that well, then the og 4080 is faster if you push it.
Thanks for another educational video
Man. PLEASE AMD LOWER THE XTX PRICE
They have no other choice. 7900 XTX will go down to
@@stangamer1151I hope so. I can’t believe they haven’t undercut the super launch already. The 7900xt by me is 680 rn. Would love the xtx to be 800 haha
be patient... first the fanboy hype needs to die down. it doesn't matter how much you undercut if the competition's fanbase is in a blind frenzy.
@@ivoivic2448 i mean its not going to sell if they dont undercut the 4080. why would they wait? if they lower the prices now they dont need to wait
@@wizardd did you even read my reply?
Daniel what do you think a 4090 TI and 4080 TI on the horizon before the 5000 series? Both could be based on the 4090 Chip as further cut down version that the 4090 is and a 4090 TI as a fully unlocked chip
It isn´t the fully unlocked chip. It will have 72 MB L2 cache as the 4090. The fully unlocked chip is the a A100 with 96 MB L2 Cache on a hopper pcb, which costs thousands. I think the 4090 is the best value card of the ada lovelace architecture.And this will be, till the next architecture is released.
82fps on a 4080 vs 88fps on a 4090. Remember when people were saying the 4080 performed terribly despite being like $800 less than a 4090? 👍🤡🤡🤡
Love my 4080 super, play every single game in 4k max settings DLSS at 100-120 fps, could never go back to 1080p. And DLSS is amazing makes Vram usage go from 13gbs down to 4-5 gbs in some game. That means it will take awhile before they are hitting 16 gbs with DLSS enabled.
I ended up buying a new Gigabyte 4080 Eagle (non OC) for $959 at Best Buy right before the 4080 Super launch. Glad I didn't wait for the launch 4080 Super since the tests I have seen does not make a relevant difference.
No gigabyte for me for the 4080 especially eagle. They don’t use ball bearings and it’s just the cheaper fans with the graphene nano lubricant I give it 2 years tops until it wears out and you’d need to rma the fans.
Never wait to buy tech, or else you are always waiting. Buy what you what when you want.
@@MrDs7777 based
damn some games use 13-14gb vram, cant even play vr with a 4080...
And don't forget modding, modding is a VRAM killer. I use 23.8 gigs for Skyrim, 20+ for GTA and 15+ for Fallout 4... Modding games with high-res textures really uses up your vram; it's crazy...
you definitely can. cyberpunk saturates almost all 16gbs in dogtown with path tracing @1440p and it still runs fine
@@wizardd vr mod +4gb dude, dead on arrival, thats nvidia for you, rebuy in 2 years.
Bullshit. Allocated isn’t used.
@@MrDs7777 weird, when i am over 12 gb allocated, my gpu starts to stutter in games... and then again, most people i argue with have brainrot with 0 experience with vr and a 6gb gpu from hitlertimes.
Just sharing my experience. I own a RTX 3080 12Gb. I have 4k monitors and a 4k tv..
I can run pretty much anything at high settings. Yes i use DLSS and stuff like that (usually quality or balanced, often depending on the RT settings) But it's good enough, unless i nitpick, but it's good enough. FSR 3 even gives me extra frames. No need for the 4000 series.
But i don't play at 300fps, i play at 40fps or 60, sometimes 120, because that's what my tv can do. I don't do competitive games, i wanna relax, not stress out, hehe.
Here in EU/Austria its the same price... Both 4080 starts at 1050-1100 eur lol. 4080: 2760MHz vs 4080S: 2730MHz. lol super joke from nvidia
What cpu is used here that keeps limiting gpu? Is i9 14KF is a bottleneck on those cards?
Omg Starfield is such an ugly game.
within the first 10 seconds I got my answer, I love this channel
All ridiculously overpriced
Your continuous posting of the exact same thing is ridiculously boorish. I imagine you’ll have to look that word up.
@@MrDs7777 talking to yourself again there?
@@lifemocker85 Would you happen to know if UA-cam comments has an ignore function?
@@MrDs7777 nobody would see your trolling then
@@lifemocker85 I’m not the one humping David Wang’s leg in the comments about Nvidia GPUs.
Gives you the important info right at the beginning ---> automatic like
What software do you use to show the temps, percentage usage, clock speeds, etc?
You can suggest Nvidia release a cut-down version of AD102 as 4080 Ti which consists of 13312 cores, 20GB VRAM, 320-bit memory bus, and 400W TDP.
Every 102 is being used in 4090. What sense does it make to sell them for less money?
@@MrDs7777I don't know the yield of fabricating the AD102 die. If Nvidia has accumulated enough quantity of defective AD102 dies that don't have enough (16384) cores to be used as the 4090, then it is possible to make a cut-down version. I am not sure if the yield by TSMC has been too good and there has not been enough quantity of defective AD102 dies accumulated for production of a cut-down version.
I dont want to nickpick but you should set the cores and memory clocks to the exact same and lock it in. (Also highest frequencys of each card while locked to 1.075v since most people set their v/f this way) Either set same fan curve or use auto.
How come your collumns with the stats are different for the 4080 as opposed to the other two? I didn't know you could switch columns. I've never used that software because it was hard to configure and I got irritated so I'm using that Geforce Experience thing. What were we talking about?
This bro straight up moves his own picture around pointing. That is so incredibly effective and I've never seen that before and it has me laughing so hard.
I was wondering if it was worth jumping from a 4070ti to a 4090?
I did and its been a great upgrade. with the 4070Ti id struggle in 4K with more modern titles. Now I dont ever have to worry about it.
This video is very informative and I appreciate it. I plan on getting the 4080 Super and leaving the 7900 XTX behind. AMD is solid when actually gaming but geese man… I’ve been having consistent driver timeouts with this XTX and it’s annoying and I’ve had it since January.
Team Green, here I come.
You have the best - most detailed reviews - you are super!
finding it hard to believe people are paying 2000 dollars or so, to achieve 70 fps in a video game, no matter resolution or anything..... its utterly insane!
If you can afford it then why not have the best possible gaming experience available?
Something to think about with reguards to a potential 4080ti.. ADA architecture is designed with a massive cavhe which allows for maximum performance with less vram bandwidth. What this means is a theoretical cut sown ad102 4080ti with only 256bit(16gb) could still acheive a +15-20% over the 4080super. Do not put it past nvidia to do this to enable that juicy planned obsolescence on a flagship gpu. Hopefully they would do 20gb but the performance difference of 256 vs 320 bit is likely just a few % again because of that massive cache.
You are talking about junk ad102 dies 1 step away from the garbage bins, don't think there are enough of them for 4080ti to happen.
Why would they burn AD 102 dies on a 4080 variant when they can’t produce enough 4090’s??
@@MrDs7777 they wouldn't. I said if they did.. it might be 256 but instead of 320bit like the 3080
Whats the OC potential of the 4080's? 4090's have huge OC potential which adds 10% performance without breaking a sweat. I can do round 220-250mhz core + 1500mhz on mem easy (even in RT heavy games like CP2077 max settings and avatar) which adds at least 10%+ performance in fps across most games.
The 4090 Is a 1440p card if you want to play max settings @ 144hz/fps+
4080 Fe has decent Mem OC but bench testing shows the 4080 FE gains zero performance in the minimal core OC that can be done. I didn't pay attention to 4090 gains on core OC as I just have the 4080. but you might want to look into that as, core OC without gains is kind of pointless
Was curious, for your cyberpunk 2077 1080p ray tracing OD, there might be something wrong on your end, on my 3080ti w the preset I’m getting 76 avg fps. I was thinking about upgrading because I play 1080p with 240hz, and I want a smooth experience with the amazing story (all my other games my fps is fine) do you think with a 4080 super id get 200+ frames with frame gen, medium, and dlss?
No
You didn’t turn path tracing on. The fault is definitely not on Daniel’s end.
@@JeremiahBostwick ? The preset turns on the exact same thing as him
@@Mikerille Which preset? Pathtracing with ray reconstruction is not RT Overdrive.
no , go to 4090 , saying this , as a owner of 4090 with a i9 13900k, 32 gb 7200 mhz , or wait untiçl 50 rtx series .
The ASUS STRIX version of the 4080 Super supposedly is the fastest of the available models right now, it has a potential overclock that can be reached with their tweak tool which improves the performance to +9% or so (compared to most models that don't go beyond +3% to +5%). Then again, the regular 4080 was already a nearly maxed out card, there's not that much more they could squeeze out of it. The "real" benefit is the price cut... at least on paper. It's not actually 200$ less everywhere, in fact right now it's still as expensive as the regulars, or more. At the moment, the best thing to do is to do the good ol' waiting game.
so 4090 has a 30% improvement on 4080 but costs at least doble if not more, Honestly even with the goal of keeping the card for around a decade or so and thus trying to get the most powerful there is I don't see how to justify buying a 4090 unless you're a pro and making money with it.
what you fail to mention in this is 4080 super also has new connector that we will see in 50 series. which fixes the melting issue. if you havent gotten a 4080 and got a 4080 super you saved a bunch a money for a better manufactured card.
Really wish that reviewers would put MSFS 2020 in their list of games. Currently running a 3090 FE. Should it be worthwhile to migrate to the 4090?
Random thought, gimped memory bus limits the maximum utilisation of the cuda cores so despite the S variant having more they can't be utilised this meaning the performance is around the same?
I love my new 4080 super and I have no issue using DLLS quality or balanced and FG to get high fps. feels the same to me. Probably isn't but keeps me happy if i can run path tracing. (just for the hell of it not all the time but could do)
That first 30 seconds just got you a sub
I recently bought a Asus 4090 OC. I've noticed cpu bottlenecking with my 5950x compared to newer cpus with ddr5. Now I have an itch and a twitch.
The main problem with GPU market - it`s almost monopolized by NVIDIA and when something rising up sales - it`s going to insane. So, in my opinion - its more better to have 4080 super inside PC and loose $1K than have $1K in pocket and sold out stocks for x3 prices.
You shoulda added some ultra wide benchmarks. This whole video has got me curious about it.
What I notice is, that with the 4080 super the image seems to be tearing. Is this still a problem with todays graphics cards?
Not mines, I run it with a 4K curve monitor and not a single tear
How do you get the frame time graph to look like that? Mine it just show the number.