What if JOHTO Gym Leaders were ACTUALLY GOOD?!
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What if JOHTO Gym Leaders were ACTUALLY GOOD?!
In this video, I'm going to FIX all the Johto Gym Leaders by giving them all new teams.
We tackled the Kanto region before, but this time it's Johto. Arguably the worst region in terms of design in general but it's one of my favourites. Can I fix the gym leaders teams?! Let's find out.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro and Rules
00:58 - Falkner
03:26 - Bugsy
04:41 - Whitney
07:16 - Morty
08:47 - Chuck
10:58 - Jasmine
12:35 - Pryce
14:52 - Claire
18:12 - Outro
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I've heard it said before. Make Claire a sea dragon expert, and Lance a sky dragon expert. So, Kingdra, Dragonair, Gyarados, Lapras, Seadra as start. Personally find six mons weird, but she has an electric weakness, and is mostly water, so a second Dragonair is necessary.
I've never heard that but that's such a good idea!
Legit came down here to day the same thing lol. Crystal Legacy heavily influenced my thoughts on this lol.
Awful idea. Instead, they should have teams that are actually good.
@@renatoramos8834 Sorry, this is a positive channel. We were having an adequate discussion without you and would appreciate if you'd take your negativity somewhere else. Ciao!
@@supersaiyaneevee1573 I'm yet to play it but I've heard amazing comments about it. May do a little video on it.
Personality wise I would say you get the difference between Chuck and Bruno backwards. Bruno is all aggressive and Chuck waits under a waterfall for you.
Yeah, that's why Chuck is more strength and constitution. Withstanding a waterfall is hardwork. Bruno is always sat down meditating.
More than happy to give Chuck a Poliwrath though!
Same! I actually always felt that Primeape and Bruno shared quite a few similarities, between the spiky hair and the metal wristbands.
I'd give Clair a Lapras for its dino-like qualities, similar to Aerodactyl, plus it fits her backup water vibe (honestly she could have been a water-type gym leader). Another option would have been Nidoqueen, it's not draconic but it is lizard-like and can learn a plethora of moves just like most dragons.
Giving Falkner Noctowl isn't such an absurd idea in the first place. It's attack is actually even lower than Pidgeotto, so it won't be hitting as hard. You can opt to not have Hypnosis or Roost on it if you think that would make it too powerful. Just Tackle and Gust.
Noctowl does however get nearly double the HP and Sp Def so it's living for twice as long as the pink haired bird and even has more bulk than a Pidgeot.
Noctowl would be very beatable, don't get me wrong but Murkrow is just a more balanced and interesting Pokémon in my opinion.
(Plus a level 9 Noctowl actually seems ever more silly and illegal than a level 9 Pidgeotto...)
Roost was never considered since that's a Gen 4 move, however on something as bulky as Noctowl it would be a hard no.
Miltank 2.0...
@@Dengar_YT Fair enough, I was more considering HGSS because those are the ones I am more familiar with. There are definitely more options in HGSS to help with a level 13 Noctowl
@@Dengar_YT I also was surprised that Falkner didn't have Noctowl as his ace either in the games or the anime. To me it just makes sense that Noctowl could be an ace. He's honestly not that strong, and at level 9 he wouldn't get too many benefits of BST. And there are several examples in the games where they cheat the levels of evolution, which I think is fine for NPC enemies. I think Murkrow is a good idea on paper, but it being dark type takes the focus too much from flying type, even though he's a lousy dark user.
Maybe it would make more sense if Bugsy and Falkner were switched? Then Bugsy could have something like Ariados or Ledian as his ace with spinarak, ledyba or pineco as the other pokemon.
Noctowl also has more yhab double the HP so the fight is lasting more than twice as long + noctowls second highest stat is Sp Def which effectively makes the stab types of the starter trio useless
Some things: if you are going to give Morty a Misdreavus, just let it ghost type and give it something on the hands of noctowl, standler, ninetales that are mystical and ghostly.
And with Clair, you could just give her Ampharos which is known to be a dragon who lost its draconic powers, and lapras and dunsparce which are pretty much dragon like.
Oh, damn! That ninetales idea for Morty is a banger! Great idea!
I like this concept. I had a similar concept of having Morty stay a Ghost specialist by giving him Gengar, Misdreavus, and then some combo of maybe Haunter and Noctowl, but I really like the Ninetales idea, especially with the amount of Ghost moves it gets
ah yes Johto aka
Budget Kanto
Poliwrath makes sense to be on Chucks team. The gym is located on an island and in HG SS he is sitting under a waterfall in the gym
Here are what I would do for the Gym Leader teams...
Falkner: Hoothoot, Murkrow (Same as the video)
Bugsy: Ledyba, Spinarak, Scizor (Scizor also has the same BST as Scyther, just adjusted differently)
Whitney: Clefairy, Snubbull, Miltank (Clefairy makes sense bc the gym maze is shaped like a Clefairy)
Monty: Misdreavus, Stantler, Noctowl, Gengar (Stantler is found around Ecruteak & is able to induce Illusions with its horns)
Chuck: Primeape, Poliwrath, Heracross (Heracross is the only Fighting-Type to not be repped at all in GSC by any major trainer so it makes sense to put it on Chuck's team and make it the ace)
Jasmine: Skarmory, Magneton, Steelix (Skarmory not being used for any major trainer in GSC is a big womp womp so we fix that here, but this team is essentially the same as the video minus Corsola & Forretress)
Pryce: Sneasel, Dewgong, Cloyster, Piloswine (Sneasel is the only other new Ice-Type besides Delibird and makes sense for Pryce, essentially the same as the video minus Stantler)
Clair: Lapras, Dragonair, Gyarados, Kingdra (Lapras is somewhat draconian & is validated even further by the fact that Iris uses one in B2/W2 in her Champion battle)
With these teams, every Gym Leader now has a Johto native ace aside from Morty & utilize plenty of Johto native Pokémon. They also mostly stay on type theme and when they don't, the Pokémon they use have flavor text to connect them to that gym (i.e Stantler, Lapras).
Great teams!
Well thought out. I think Scizor as a second gym will be harder for new players to wrap their head around or defeat very effectively because of its high Attack stat for this early in the game. But for returning players it will be a good challenge to prep for especially if they don't choose Cynda as the starter.
I agree with the other teams, though. Stantler on Morty is great thematically. Sudowoodo is a good wrench in the cogs for a Flying type sweep because it resists.
I would change Ledyba to Ledian, maybe incorporate Aipom on Whitney's team (just not sure if i would take out either Snubbull or Clefairy or just add it outright), maybe add Sudowoodo to Chuck's team, and add Corsola on Jasmine's team. but other then those slight changes i agree with these changes wholeheartedly.
@@abrarkadabrar7829 Fair, Scizor does have a high Attack stat & it would be a challenge to take down due to it's Steel-Type. I do know that Scizor in GSC isn't really that good with level up moves and isn't much better with TMs, but if we looked through the HGSS lens, Scizor is really really good 😭
In that case, I think Scyther could still work on Bugsy bc no major trainer uses it in RBY plus it evolves into Scizor, who is Johto native.
@@supersaiyaneevee1573 Yeah, I do always forget that Ledyba evolves sooner than Spinarak, so it would make sense for Bugsy to have Ledian. I dunno if Aipom really works for Whitney, but I would probably replace Snubbull for it. I do like Sudowoodo on Chuck's team and it keeps Chuck from getting dominated by Flying-Types. Corsola is also a really good pick for Jasmine due to it being available off the coast of Olivine, just don't know who I would replace on her team for it.
I think Claire should have a lapras. It's based on the loch ness monster (so it's pretty legendary) and Iris (another dragon trainer) uses one in her champion team
I like the idea of making Claire a Sea Dragon kind of trainer, but I am surprised NOBODY recommended Feraligator.
Alligators are really similar to Dragons in body shape and their scaly hide, and although it’s a bit outlandish, I think it would work great.
General Team Idea:
Dragonair, Gyrados, Lapras, Feraligator, and Kingdra.
100% If I didn't mind using starters then the snappy boy would be a sure pick.
My Choices
Falkner: Spearow, Murkrow
Bugsy: Ledian, Ariados, Scyther
Whitney: Clefairy, Aipom, Miltank
Morty: Haunter, Misdreavus, Noctowl, Gengar
Chuck: Hitmontop, Sudowoodo, Primeape, Poliwrath
Jasmine: Skarmory, Forretress, Magneton, Corsola, Steelix
Pryce: Cloyster, Dewgong, Stantler, Jynx, Piloswine
Clair: Gyarados, Lapras, Dragonair, Dragonair, Kingdra
Aipom's a great shout!
I would personally keep Morty as a ghost type specialist, but give him some different Pokémon that still fit the ghost type vibe. I would keep one Haunter, replace the Gastly with Misdreavus, and give him a Stantler (due to its illusionary powers) and finally keep Gengar as the ace.
I think Arbok would be a good addition to Clair's team because it is a part of the dragon egg group and because she uses serpentine shaped Pokémon.
I'd personally keep Morty a ghost specialist and tweak his team just a tiny bit:
Gengar, his ace
Misdreavus, to get johto rep
Natu, Mortys in-game title is the " Mystic seer of the future " and is stated that he has some psychic abilities so I felt like Natu ( whose dex entries all state how it can see the future ) fits perfectly
And finally his last team member is either Haunter, but if you don't want any of the gastly line you could also give him Unown to capitalize on Mortys interst in folklore and the occult or maybe Stantler which is exclusive to the route right outside Ecruteak
Also about claire, a pokemon you completely missed and never mentioned for some reason is: Ampharos, not only is its mega form a part dragon type + its a johto mon + its japanese name is actually a PUN on dragons ( which is why it gained the dragon typing in gen 6 )
personally i'd give claire an ampharos just because 1) i like it, but more importantly 2) mega ampharos is a dragon type
even if the game was made looooong before megas were, i think it'd still have been fun to have that referenced lol. it'd also give her another johto pokemon that ins't her ace.
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Why not swap Heracross out for Bugsy and use Pineco instead (While i have people seen mentioning Scizor, having a Steel type so early on, especially with the attack stat of Scizor, is way to OP when you don't have proper counter if you haven't chosen Cyndaquil). Then you can use Heracross for Chuck.
For Pryce, i would personally swap out either Cloyster or Dewgong for him and add Jynx. Jynx provides that coverage for the Fighting type weakness with her Psychic type + evolves from Smoochum, a Johtonian Pokemon.
dude that was incredible, amazing editing too! i agreed with every single one of your choices! Morty being a dark trainer works really well too, umbreon just fits so well with his aesthetic!...also...don't judge me :) (smash)
Great minds!
Honestly, the smash comment was too good to not include!
Idk, Dark doesn't quite have the same vibe. I did like this idea though.
I got 2 ideas for Claire teams.
Claire should also have an interesting mix of starters, and a mix of Dragon Egg groups, since Lance has a charizard in the elite 4 and since gen 2 introduces the breeding mechanic. Each of gen 1 starters are not necessarily dragon, but reptilian and can breed with many types of dragons throughout the series via the Monster egg group. That means she could lead with Dragonair, then Arbok, Ampharos, Venusaur, Blastoise, and Ace with Kingdra.
This would give her that same move coverage the 3 dragonairs had while not overlapping with Lance.
A different idea would be that Claire would do very well as a Water trainer, since her Ace is Kingdra and shes all about whirlpool and the dragon cave in the lake. Lore could be explained that the leadership of dragons was given to Lance instead of her and that shes very jealous. This team would be Seadra, Dragonair, Blastoise, Gyarados, Lapras, and Kingdra
Morty team:
1st:
Misdreavus -
Theif - steals held item
Will-o wisp
Protect
Shadow Ball - lowers sp d
Simply put, this thing is here to hold you back, not necessarily attack you directly.
2:
Gligar -
Counter - Against drk types
Fury cutter - Against drk and psychic types
Curse - raises attack and def at cost of speed
Headbutt - chance of flinch
3: Gengar
Shadow ball
Mean look
Hypnosis
Dream Eater
This can just stay the same
Oooo, Gligar is a good one!
Gligar while not a ghost pokemon looks kinda menacing and looks like it could have been dark or ghost or affiliated with either. Good choice man :-)
@bosspoke thankks!! I was thinking because he looks like a vampire bat with his fangs n all that it would fit a "spooky" theme haha! It would also really throw of the players type-wise.
The teams i would give the Johto Gym Leaders:
Falkner: Hoothoot and Murkrow
Bugsy: Ledyba, Spinerak and Scyther
Whitney: Jigglypuff, Aipom and Miltank
Morty: Misdreavus, Haunter, Stantler and Gengar
Chuck: Hitmontop, Ursaring, Poliwrath and Heracross
Jasmine: Forretress, Magneton, Skarmory and Steelix
Pryce: Sneasel, Cloyster, Jynx and Piloswine
Claire: Dragonair, Gyarados, Lapras, Dragonair and Kingdra
Some Notes
I know Scyther is Kanto but I think it's fine considering Scyther was not given a lot of attention in Kanto
Whitney's team was designed to be future proof, hence the Jigglypuff instead of Clefairy or Snubull
Since Smoochum is a Johto mon, giving Pryce Jynx makes sense to me
Great choices!
I don't mind Bugsy having Scyther as his ace since it could plausibly evolve into a Johto Pokemon in a rematch, it doesn't feature prominently on any Kanto teams, and Heracross could go to Bruno or Chuck instead.
I think Whitney’s mil tank should’ve stayed the same. Finally i think Clair should have a lapras
I do agree with this...in particular Lapras playing a role as a sort of Loch Ness Monster kind of thing
@@championanthony7643 I like the idea of Lance being a flying dragon and clear with the sea dragons
I enjoyed the video and i liked pretty much everything, but one thing I found kinda funny was including Spinarak for "speed control" for Heracross. Heracross isnt a speedster, but it does outspeed basically everything in the game you'll find up until Bugsy unless you overlevel by a decent amount. With some exceptions like Quilava, just a fun little thing I noticed!
I've left comments like this on 2 other videos since everyone wants to fix the Johto gym leaders for some reason... so I guess I'm gonna do it again.
Falkner: Noctowl Spearow
He's presumably based on a falconer, so theming his team around birds of prey seems like a neat idea. Spearow is a stronger, frailer version of Pidgey while Noctowl is a weaker, yet bulkier alternative to Pidgeotto. Murkrow may have a lower BST, but its speed, strength, and ability to hit Geodude with special dark STAB arguably makes it way more powerful than Noctowl.
Bugsy: Heracross +anything
I don't care what replaces Metapod and Kakuna since literally anything would be more useful than the cocoons. But I like the change from Scyther to Heracross since it always felt more like a bug than a fighter and it fits Bugsy's friendly vibe way better. Being a bug/fighting type also means that it still has an exploitable 4x weakness like Scyther, but it's not one that can be exploited by Geodude again. It also prevents type overlap with Ledyba.
Whitney: Miltank +anything
Miltank is pretty much the only one she needs to keep, otherwise she can have her pick of normal types. I'd probably choose Clefairy (shape of the gym) and Snubbull cuz they're pink and cute. It would get weird after the fairy retcon, but I'm taking this from the lens that we're the gen 2 developers building their teams from the ground up.
Morty: Gengar Haunter Misdreavus Murkrow
Misdreavus replaces Gastly; it's bulkier, slightly faster, and doesn't suffer from the same ground and psychic weaknesses as Gengar and Haunter. However, Murkrow is the real standout since it synergizes surprisingly well with the Gengar line. It resists/is immune to all their weaknesses and can therefore take out opposing dark, ghost, ground, and psychic types for them. The Murkrow/Gengar combo is already featured on Karen's team, but since Murkrow is so frail it seems much better suited for the midpoint of the game. Murkrow's Dex entry also says it's a sign of misfortune which could relate to Morty's role as a seer.
Chuck: Poliwrath Primeape Hitmontop Graveler?
Instead of looking at their region, I looked at Chuck's team through the lens of distributing power. See, Poliwrath and Heracross both have a BST of 500 while Primeape and the Hitmons coincidentally all have a BST of 455. Since Chuck is supposed to be the weaker fighting specialist, I thought it'd be best to give him the mons with averaged out stats while Bruno got the mons with optimized stats. So Chuck gets Poliwrath, Primeape, and Hitmontop while Bruno gets Lee, Chan, and Heracross (I know it overlaps with Bugsy but whatever). The Graveler mostly exists as a reference to Chuck tossing aside a boulder before his gym battle, but it also fits with his tough aesthetic (similar to Bruno's Onix) and deals with flyers. And since most of the other gym leaders have some kind of type advantage over grass, this gym will be throwing Chikorita users a bone.
Jasmine: Steelix Magneton Skarmory Forretress (maybe Rhydon)
Conveniently, the steel types in this generation already have great synergy. Steelix and Magneton cover offense while Skarmory and Forretress cover defense. The team's only major weakness is arguably fire since none of them have a resistance/neutrality to it, but that's where Rhydon comes in. It's far from perfect; it's still slow and specially frail and might feel redundant after Chuck's Graveler. But it can resist and hit fire types for super effective damage and has a smooth gray exterior like the rest of Jasmine's steel types. I don't know where it'd fit in, but it could replace Forretress since it's also on Koga's team and Skarmory already "resists" ground and fighting (you know what I mean). Corsola would probably take fire moves more comfortably, but it's statistically below par compared to the rest of Jasmine's team, and there's just something powerful about the 6th gym leader taking on Giovanni's ace.
Pryce: Dewgong Piloswine Sneasel Jynx
Piloswine and Dewgong already have pretty good synergy and get rid of fire, steel, and rock. Jynx gets rid of fighters and Sneasel can hopefully sweep everything else with its great speed and decent attack. I could add a 5th member, but then half of Pryce's team would overlap with Lorelei's (unless I added Delibird) so I think it's fine if he just has 4 mons like the Chuck and Jasmine. Thematically it also means he has all the mammalian ice types, but realistically that's just an excuse to distinguish his team from Lorelei's mostly aquatic team. Also, weirdly enough, Pryce's ace Piloswine is actually weaker than Dewgong in terms of BST, but if Dewgong had kept its 95 special attack from gen 1 it would be on par with the BST of the other gym leaders' aces which all hang around 500.
Clair: Kingdra Dragonair x2 Gyarados Lapras
Since Clair is obviously modeling her team after Lance's, I think it's fine for her to have extra Dragonairs, but I agree that 3 is a lot. Cutting it to 2 so that she's mimicking Lance's gen 1 team feels more appropriate to show that she's always behind him, and it guarantees that half her team is actually dragon type. Meanwhile Gyarados and Lapras are just other blue sea dragon Pokemon. Only one of them is really necessary, but I think 5 members is a respectable upgrade for the last gym without it being as impractical as a full team of 6. Gyarados is already on Clair's remake team and is recognized as a dragon on Lance's team. But Lapras serves as an alternative answer to opposing dragons that isn't weak to dragon itself. It also carries the prestige of being extremely rare and Lorelei's ace, which gives it a lot more clout than Feraligatr and Seadra imo. It's similar to my reason for giving Jasmine a Rhydon.
Overall this was a fun video. There's definitely a lot that made me wanna fight, but I'm glad I got to send in my take. My only other thought is that I don't think including Kanto Pokemon _has_ to be a bad thing. I get that people are frustrated by the consistent sidelining of new Johto Pokemon, but a lot of gym leaders use older Pokemon (aside from Unova's I guess) so it's not the end of the world. Then again, it's definitely way more noticeable in this region so 🤷
Early gyms are deceptively hard to balance because they are supposed to be challenging but not necessarily difficult.
I've seen the justification of their teams being that those Gen 1 Pokémon were never included in major NPC teams in Kanto so that's why Falkner gets the Pidgey line and Bugsy gets Scyther.
That said, I like what you've done with those 2. The nocturnal theme of Hoothoot and Murkrow is a great touch. Murkrow is unexpectedly strong with its BST and will definitely outspeed anything without quick attack. For Bugsy, Heracross is tougher than Scyther due to that min max stat spread which will be challenging for new players. And for someone coming in with a Rock type expecting the bug/fly sweep will be caught off guard and also teach players the type chart and question why Rock type attacks aren't super effective but Flying type attacks beat it so easily.
Also. Yes Skarmory! A second Spikes setter after Foretress for Jasmine's team is genius. It's deceptively fast even with a 70 base speed and access to Agility. And the team synergy with the unexpected Corsola for the Fire resist. My guy you have just made Jasmine the ultimate icon for a jump scare in Pokémon, Cynthia and Garchomp eat your hearts out. Got Earthquake? Skarmory is immune. Got Electric? Steelix is immune. Got Fire? 4x resistance and monster bulk of Corsola and sandstorm chip. Incredible. At this point she should just be the final gym leader with such a high calibre of utility and synergy amongst the team. Saying you did a good job is an understatement. I tip my proverbial hat to you, good sir!
Thank you! Some kind comments and I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Just bear in mind that Pidgey did in fact get representation in the first gen. Your rival, in every single battle other than the very first one will have either a Pidgey, Pidgeotto or Pidgeot so it actually got very consistent representation and more than most Pokémon. 😂
@@Dengar_YT bruh I completely forgot about Blue's Pidgeot his team is so good otherwise I think my brain just blocks out the Pidgeot even being there lmao 😅😂
@@abrarkadabrar7829 See, that shows how lame it is that you can just forget it like that 😂 I don't blame you, it doesn't stand out at all.
Very nice content! I love the out of the box thinking, but the mistyped Mon like Stantler with Pryce doesn't work for me (one person's opinion however). Here is how I would try to do this:
Falkner- Dodou & Noctowl, day & night Pokemon duo, Kanto underutilized & Johto ace
Bugsy- Spinarak & Ledyba & Pinsir, two new Johto bugs plus an ace of a Kanto Pokemon that I don't think was used at all
Whitney- Teddiursa & Jigglypuff & Miltank, a new Johto rarely seen with a fairy that is still normal plus that damn Miltank
Morty- Misdreavus & Stantler & Haunter, this is harder due to ghost limitations but it has both lines of the ghost plus a local wild Mon to avoid duplicates
Chuck- Primeape & Machoke & Hitmontop, I'm saving Heracross & Poliwrath for later so this will do
Jasmine- Skarmory & Magneton & Scizor, all good steel types with less damage to Scizor thanks to Magneton setting up rain
Pryce- Delibird & Dewgong & Piloswine, same theory as original team but an actual Johto ice type instead of the Kanto water type
Clair- Gyarados & Dragonair & Lapras & Kingdra, limited dragons but Lance is considered an aerial dragon type whereas Clair can represent the sea, Lapras was used by Iris as champion
Double down with the Elite Four
Will- Xatu & Jynx & Slowbro & Slowking & Espeon, a well diversed psychic team with Johto ties, Girafarig would be added in a rematch
Koga- Tentacruel & Muk & Venomoth & Weezing & Crobat, his Let's Go rematch team with Golbat evolved, Ariados would be added in a rematch
Bruno- Poliwrath & Hitmonchan & Hitmonlee & Steelix & Machamp, his Let's Go team with his Onix evolved, Hitmontop would be added in a rematch
Karen- Umbreon & Vileplume & Murkrow & Houndoom & Tyranitar, two pseudo legendaries back to back just like Drake then Steven one gen later, Sneasel would be added in a rematch
I have a Wally-like team for Lance as I think it would be a great representation of the previous Elite Four. He would keep Dragonite obviously, Gengar for Agatha, Lapras for Lorelei, and Exeggutor for Blue. As for Bruno, let's say he & Lance do three trades; Bruno's Onix holding a metal coat for Lance's Poliwrath followed by this now Steelix going back to Bruno in exchange for Heracross then Bruno's second Onix holding a metal coat as a thanks to Lance who gifts him his rematch Hitmontop. This means Lance would have six dual type Pokemon with no repeats in Heracross, Gengar, Exeggutor, Lapras, Steelix, & Dragonite
Solid choices!
This is a really solid line up of fixed Gym Leaders!
If I’m gonna do anything for Morty, I’m changing his type to not Dark or Ghost, but Psychic. Morty’s intro speech mentions being able to see things other people cannot see and training to be able to see the future. Besides that, which that is all surface level (and can kinda still fit Ghost with I See Dead People Sixth Sense logic), he talks about how Legendary Pokémon are revered and using sinister types like Ghost and Dark don’t feel like the types you use to appeal to a Legendary revered Pokémon.
So, naturally… now Morty is the Psychic type specialist. This isn’t to have two Psychic specialists, but it would swap him and Will. Perhaps even have Morty in the Elite 4 and Will in Ecruteak. And for the team, the Ace is Espeon, with a Xatu which fits for seeing both the past and future, a Kadabra, and a Wobbuffet. I felt all of them thematically work, between being able to sense threats and see the future, or being extremely patient in Wobbuffet’s case. Not sure on movesets or the like, and maybe there’s a better way to handle the team, but I feel like Ecruteak’s gym leader would be more fitting for a Psychic type specialist.
I like it! Psychic is also a much easier typing to work with when designing a leader.
I think you did great considering jhoto is so tricky, even in a playthrough it is hard to just olay eith jhoto pokemon. Especially the magnetmite line is perfect to bring in the fact that it got a new typing.
I actually think gym leaders should be allowed to have Pokémon that resemble, assist or fit the same archetype as the type they specialize in. Like Lance having a Gyarados and Aerodactyl for example. Neither of them are dragon types but are draconic in design. Or how you gave Chuck an Ursaring and Donphan
So I like how you gave Whitney a Flaffy.
100% agree! That's what I meant but gym leaders having a vibe instead. Opens up to way more options!
amazing video bro - would love to see all the regions gym leaders be fixed like this !
Thanks so much! Glad you liked it!
These make sense and it always drove me nuts that certain gyms just ignored the new mons. My only real suggestions would be giving Scizor to Jasmine and Lapras or Dunsparce to Claire.
amazing video, i absolutely love the new typing for morty and whitney's changes
Glad you liked it! ❤
Morty should have a Ninetails. I remember a pokedex entry saying something about spirits, and it gets some disrupting moves like Roar and Confuse Ray. His final team should be Misdrevus, Ninetails, Haunter, and Gengar.
Jasmine should 1 Magnemite, into a Magneton, keep the Steelix, and have either/both Skaromy and Scizor. The types might clash with other gym leaders, but it's better than not having anything at all, imo.
Johto gym leader videos will never get old.
As a Johto fan boy, I can never argue that the entire game is anything other than a hot mess...
@@Dengar_YT I still have fond memories playing this on Gameboy when it came out. It was definitely great for the time. There are design decisions that are very questionable, but it was still a lovable game.
@@apricot8301 Exactly that. Pokémon Stadium 2 solidified my fondness for Gen 2.
My Choices for Gym Leader's Pokémons:
Morty (Making him the 1st gym leader): Gastly, Misdreavus
Bugsy: Spinarak, Ledian, Scizor
Whitney: Jigglypuff, Aipom, Miltank
Falkner (Making him the 4th gym leader): Mantine, Gligar, Noctowl
Chuck: Poliwrath, Heracross
Jasmine: Magneton, Forretress, Skarmory, Steelix
Pryce: Sneasel, Dewgong, Lapras, Piloswine
Clair: Gyarados, Dragonair, Kingdra
I’ve seen a number of “Fix Gym Leader” videos, and I gotta say, I like the thoughts & choices for what you presented here.
I’d take a slightly different approach to the team design & philosophy. I am 100% on board that the Gyms in Johto are awfully planned & are way too reliant on Kanto. The mid game is also horribly underleveled because the game wants to have branching paths, but kept the levels too low meaning you’d bulldoze the mid game. I do think some leaders having Kanto aces isn’t a bad thing, under the conditions that
•The Kanto mon in mind had little representation in gen 1
•The Kanto mon in question got attention in gen 2 in some way. Say with an evolution or new split evo.
With that in mind, and the philosophy of filling in team slots with members that fit the trainers personally if they don’t have enough mons for their type, this is how I’d organize the Teams for the Johto Leaders. Last mon in the lineup is the Ace
Falkner: Hoothoot, Natu, Murkrow
Bugsy: Pineco, Spinarak, Scyther
Whitney: Clefairy, Aipom, Miltank
Morty: Houndour, Stantler, Haunter, Misdreavus
Chuck: Hitmontop, Pinsir, Sudowoodo, Poliwrath
Jasmine: Magneton, Foretress, Skarmory, Steelix
Pryce: Dewgong, Sneasel, Jynx, Piloswine
Clair: Seadra, Dragonair, Gyarados, Lapras, Kingdra
Really well thought out and in hindsight, I'd steal some of them ideas... 👀
18:10 what about Blastoise? that would be the counterpart for Lance's Charizard, so like, to one up her cousin, Clair gets a hold of a Blastoise, if you think that's a stretch you could just give her a Lapras, not only it is "legendary" like (because it is a rare species), but it also is used by her in her Stadium team.
How i would fix the teams
Falkner: hoothoot Natu
Bugsy: spinrak ledyba Scyther(it's underrepresented in gen 1 so i don't mind it)
Whitney: clafairy Furret miltank
Morty: haunter Misdreavus Murkrow/noctowl (if we change it's typing to ghost/flying) Gengar
Chuck: Machoke Primeape Poliwrath Heracross (the hitmon line should be reserved for Bruno)
Jasmin: Magneton Skarmory Forretress Steelix
Pryce: Sneasel Jynx Dewgong Cloyster Piloswine
Clair: Dragonair Garados Dragonair seedra lapras kingdra(this one was the hardest to do )
Great line ups!
So for clair you could pull from her stadium 2 appearances and give her the final team of Kingdra/Dragonair/Ampharos/Archanine/Lapras/Aerodactyl. Ampharos/Archanine/Lapras are all from Stadium 2 and she also has Rhydon/Gyrados/Nidoking if you wanted to add those
This vid was great and I loved the choice with falkner since it shows the newly introduced type at the time.
Didn't even think of that! Great point!
when fix of indigo leage elite fours? both in kanto and seqeual
As someone has mentioned here before, I feel like Clair should have a Lapras. Lapras gives off subtle "Loch Ness Monster" vice that can feel.... VAGUELY draconic, at the very least 😅😅
I love the addition of Corsola to Jasmine's team! You are the first person I have heard to recommend that and it makes so much sense with her previous rock specialty and location.
I have a dream version of Johto remakes. Number 1 better gym leader teams with Aces that are actually from Johto. So basically everything in this video. But with modern changes like the Fairy type, physical/special split, and Gen 9 (soon to be 10) move sets.
Next is an expanded Pokédex and access to regional variants (like how it was handled in Let’s Go but you can nickname). This way Morty can have Mismagius as his ace, and Annihilape for rematches. Plus we can give Koga Sneasler and Overqwil to make him actually challenging. And for evolving Pokemon to get their Hisuian forms, a new held item the Hisui Charm will do it once they reach a certain level. This will apply to the starter Typhlosion for those that actually like the Hisuian form (I personally prefer the original). But Pokémon like Ursaluna will be changed to using their regular items (in its case just use it at night).
Returning features: Mega Evolution is a must because it’s the only gimmick I like. But a mega doesn’t mean it’s the Ace Pokémon all the time.
For new teams:
Faulkner: Ace Murkrow, Hoot Hoot with rematch Honchcrow, Noctowl, Xatu, Togekiss, Dodrio, and Mega Pidgeot
Bugzy: Ace Heracross, Scyther, and Yanma Rematch: Mega Scizor, Yanmega, Butterfree, Beedrill, Forrestresd, and Heracross
Whitney: Ace Miltank, Jigglypuff (to replace Clefairy now that its not Normal type) and Tediursa Rematch: Miltank, Ursaluna, Farigiraf, Dudunsparce, Wigglytuff, and Tauros
Morty: Ace Mismagius, Haunter, Mismagius, and a low level Umbreon Rematch: Mismagius, Gengar, Alolan Marrowak, Annihilape, Cursola, and Hisuian Typhlosion
Chuck: Ace Hitmontop, Poliwrath, Machoke, and Sudowoodo (a curveball that I imagine works as those wooden training dummies so it would still fit the vibe of a fighting gym) Rematch: Mega Heracross, Hitmontop, Machamp, Annihilape, Poliwrath, Sudowoodo
Jasmine: Ace Steelix, Skarmory, Magneton, and Ampharos (I honestly think it should be be steel anyway because of steel wool and its tail could be a lightning rod) Rematch: Mega Steelix, Magnezone, Skarmory, Alolan Sandslash, Forretress, Ampharos
Price: Ace Mamoswine, Weavile, Dewgong, and Cloyster Rematch Mamoswine, Weavile, Alolan Ninetails, Cloyster, Dewgong, and Lapras
As for Clair’s team I would give her, Ace Kingdra, Dragonair, Arbok, Gyarados, and Lapras (make it Dragonite and add Mega Ampharos for rematches)
Elite 4:
Will: Ace Sloking, Xatu, Wyrdeer, Farigiraf, and Espeon Rematch add Galarian Rapidash
Koga: Ace Crobat, Sneasler, Muk, Overqwil, and Weezing Rematch make it Galarian Weezing and add Venomoth
Bruno: Ace Machamp, Hitmontop, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, and Steelix Rematch add Poliwrath
Karen: Ace Houndoom, Umbreon, Honchkrow, Weavile, Gengar Rematch add Mega Tyranitar
Lance: Ace Dragonite, Charizard, Aerodactyl, Gyarados, Tyranitar, and Lapras Rematch its his shiny Gyarados from the anime in its Mega form.
You have great taste! Well thought out teams and ideas!
Yeah I’m gonna have to agree with you around the 16:45 mark It’s very weird that big a timer on it when we didn’t really start doing a number of dragon types until generation three onward I think They did realize this is generation three did give us a bunch of dragon types. Also I heard there’s evidence to suggest that Lance could’ve been a flying specialist as well
Yeah, Lance should have 100% have been a flying specialist. That would excuse so much!
@@Dengar_YT look at his team, he is a flying specialist
@@bomooseLance the bird keeper who became champion
With Chuck, if you gave him Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan, it could be reorganized where Tyrogue gets picked up to be from him.
Claire should have had a fraligator, and maybe a charizard. Fraligator would look clean with the blue theme. An Eggecutor would be cool for like a sneak peak at the future evolution.
My opinion on your changes
Falkner - Fine
Bugsy - Fine
Whitney - I don’t like the Miltank changes, it makes her easier and turning down the difficulty is counterintuitive to what she represents, being underestimated.
Morty - Just no, I don’t like it completely. I don’t even have a fix, no lie.
Chuck - I’m fine with most of it except Poliwrath should be with Chuck since he lives on an island and I believe it has surf so he can leave said island.
Jasmine - Fine
Pryce - I think Jynx would’ve been a great addition to answer any fighting types because the whole team is weak to fighting.
Claire - Her theme is Sea Dragon Master, Lance is Sky. But honestly you did your best.
I am a Gen 2 fan, first games I played and I loved it. Gen 2 didn’t give too many good options, with that being said, 7/10, I would play.
Johto has always been my favorite Gen and the gym leaders teams were always a nitpick. Here are my picks (I like to keep the team as close to the type that the leader uses)
Faulkner- Natu, murkrow,and noctowl
Bugsy- heracross,spinarack,and yanma
Whitney-milktank,snubull,celefairy,and garafrarig
Morty-gengar,misdreavus,haunter,haunter( I know there isn't much to do with mortys team but it is what it is)
Chuck- hitmontop,machoke,poliwrath,and primeape
Jasmine-magneton,steelix,fortress ,and skarmory
Pryce-sneasel,piloswine,jynx, dewgong,cloyster,and lapras
Clair- kingdra,2× dragonair,gyarados,aerodactyl,and charizard
I'm a Johto fan boy, so I find it a huge shame the region didn't age well.
Great team ideas!
10/10! I’ll start working on Hoenn leaders for ya! I think an easy fix for overlapping with Karen (or any League team) is to remove or soften the type specialty. Why are the five best Trainers in the region packing only one Type, with zero coverage or variety? If anything, give them a specialty type, and let them have Pokémon to balance it and use that type of move.
100% agree! Especially nowadays in the likes of gen 9, monoteams are kind of boring!
My choices
Falkner: Spearow, Hootoot
Bugsy: Spinarak, Ledyba/Ledian, either Heracross or Scyther
Whitney: Jigglypuff, Aipom, Miltank
Morty: Haunter, Misdreavus, Gengar
Chuck: Primape, Poliwrath, Hitmontop or Heracross if Bugsy doesn’t get it
Jasmine: Same as in game
Pryce: Same as in game with the addition of Sneasel
Clair: Gyarados, Dragonair x2 and Kingdra (HGSS, basically)
Solid!
Love these updates would have made the game way more interesting & difficult and love all the humor throughout 😂
Glad you liked it ❤
Here’s a more detailed version of an idea for psychic specialist Morty Team
Noctowl lv21
Item: oran Berry
Hypnosis
Nightmare
Wing attack
Dream Eater
Slowpoke Lv 21
Item: Sitrus berry
Confusion
Water gun
Toxic
Anmesia
Girafarig lv 22
Item: Sitrus berry
Confusion
Stomp
Hidden power
Future sight
Espeon level 25
Sitrus berry
Psychic
Future sight
Morning Sun
Return
I loved how you build the team!, just for Morty I would rather stay more like a misterioius, traditional japanese team, with Misdreavus, Stantler, Haunter and Ariados? or also Noctowl could work
also maybe a Dunsparce could work for the dragon gym
Love the Ariados pick for Morty!
My choices are:
Falkner: Hoothoot, Murkrow
Bugsy: Ledian, Ariados, Scyther
Whitney: Clefairy, Furret, Miltank
Morty: Misdreavus, Stantler, Noctowl, Gengar
Chuck: Hitmontop, Poliwrath, Machoke, Heracross
Jasmine: Skarmory, Magneton, Ampharos, Steelix
Pryce: Sneasel, Dewgong, Cloyster, Piloswine
Clair: Gyarados, Lapras, Dragonair, Feraligatr, Kingdra
No issues there! Great choices!
@@Dengar_YT Thank you!
Falkner giving mud slap instead of a flying move isn't the first time a gym leader gave a move that didn't match the type. Brock in gen 1 gave bide which is a normal type move. (Probably bc rock throw and rock slide were the only two rock type moves...)
As another comment mentioned, could have clair use sea dragons and lance flying dragons. Ax Aerodactyl, swap in Lapras for Arcanine. Sure its not 6 pokemon, but if you absolutely -need- a 6th, keep a 2nd Dragonair. Lance has 3 dragonite, so unless you were to plan on swapping his team around ( Gyarados, Charizard, Aerodactyl, Dragonite, Tyranitar, Dragonite ace)
It took me way too long to realize that this was just regular gold and silver and not HGSS.
Though, this video did come at a good time because I am working my way through a HG romhack using the HG-Engine so I have excellent feedback and variety to choose from.
Oooo, good luck with that. Sounds fun!
@@Dengar_YT Thanks man! I appreciate it. I've been working on it for the past two weeks, started with DSPRE and moved to HG-Engine for all the quality of life improvements. I am by no means that tech savvy so I had to learn ubuntu and linux navigation but now that I've got the hang of it I will definitely be able to make it work much faster than I was. The only moderately annoying feature is that if I find something I need to change like a double battle from a single battle, I have to go back into the code in HG-Engine and rebuild the entire ROM all over again. Other than that its been great!
@@Da__goat Damn, love the ambition! You're clearly more technical than me!
Clair's team in Soul Silver & Heart Gold is good enough, especially given the level difference between your team and hers. My Pokemon aren't near the level of Clair's, so I find myself levelling up my Pokemon a tad more before facing her. The difficulty is increased by the level difference. Whitneys team is fine as it is. Difficult enough for a reason.
I like the arcanine pick because its based on a "Dragon Dog" of chinese myth. Aerodactyl, i dont like it because i see clair as a water dragon specialist and Lance as a flying dragon specialist. I think either Feraligator works best, but if you really want to avoid starters, then I'd give her a Lapras as it's based on a dinosaour, so it's dragon adgacent plus its super effective to her main weaknesses of grass and dragon.
yeah, in hindsight, Lapras being a Plesi is a great addition.
Enjoyed the video my friend, the only thing I’d say to add/change is putting scizor on someone’s team. Probably Jasmine’s bc it’s BST is way too high for bugsy (obvi) but it can learn fighting moves so Chuck could have gotten it as well.
Honestly, yeah, it was a toss up between Forretress or Scizor for Jasmine.
@@Dengar_YT absolutely, you made some great picks for the video. I’d love to play a remake of jhoto with these teams to go against
Falkner: Natu, Hoothoot, Murkrow
Bugsy: ledian, butterfree, Heracross (I liked yours more lool)
Whitney: clefary, snubble, smoochum, and Milktank
Morty: Gastly, Midrevious, Drowsee, Gengar
Chuck: hitmontop, primeape, ursaring and Poliwrath
Yasmin: loved your team and would keep the exact same
Price: delibird (lol), sneasal, jynx piloswine
Claire: Gyrados, dragonair x2, lanturn, lapras and kingdra
Great picks! Lanturn on Claire is fun!
Elite 4 :
Already did chuck
Karen: tyrantitar/pupitar - she’s the 4th elite member and lance already have 3 pseudo lengendaries , murkrow,Umbreon , Houndoom , sneasle.
Will- slow king instead of slowbro, girafarig, wobuffet since it’s iconic in the anime and it would be an interesting but difficult battle against non familiar players, espeon since Karen has Umbreon and it would be cool to have the 1st and last elite 4 members having polar opposite Pokémon and finally Xatu.
Koga: Muk,wheezing, Ariados, Crobat,
And quilfish, I know these some of these Pokémon are weak but I feel like I’m remakes like hgss and possible future ones I feel like these Pokémon get better in rematches like girafarig being able to evolve know and abilities with quilfish since it has intimate and spikes which could be annoying for players.
I don't like that you're complatly aligirc to keeping Kento mons on the team for a few of them, and the thing where you don't repeat mons. it two limiting. I pefrer just not repeating Aces.
I get that but with 251 mons to choose from, there should be no need to repeat things and the whole point of new Pokémon is to show them off.
You know I always thought it'd be fun to give Falkner Gligar instead of murkrow and noctowl and I'd give Bugsy scizor, it's bst is the same and it doesn't change much for the starters other than making cyndiquil stronger. We can then give Heracross to Chuck, that way he has some coverage for psychic types and I feel that it fits in Chucks team better.
I'm not so sure about giving Bugsy a Scizor. Its BST may be the same as Scyther's, but I think it'd be unnecessarily difficult for a 2nd gym since it resists so much of the Pokemon that are available to the player by that point. Are there even any fire types besides Cyndaquil before the 2nd gym? And why would Cyndaquil need to be stronger anyway in a region that has a bug, steel, and ice specialist but no ground, rock, or water ones?
On a separate note even though I think Heracross, the beetle, matches Bugsy more than Chuck or Bruno, I'd rather reserve it for Bruno since he's an E4 member. It and Poliwrath both have a BST of 500, but Heracross has a much better stat distribution that seems more fitting for the late game.
In the Sinnoh games Gardenia has a Turtwig and Flint has an Infernape so you would have been fine to hand out starters to the gym leaders and elite four. P. S. I believe that a snowboarder npc has a Prinplup.
For Morty, I think that rather than changing his entire type of specialization, it'd be better to fill up his team with creepy mon that fit his vibe. I mean, Stantler and Girafarig are right there. Give him one, or both of them. Though, if I had to choose one of them, I'd go with Girafarig. It's a psychic type, which makes it better than Stantler. The creepy tail design fits Morty's edgy vibe. So, for him, I'd go: Gengar, Misdreavous, Haunter and Girafarig. Also, Girafarig has a base 80 attack? And gosht was for some reason physical in gen 2, so it'll hit decently hard with Shadow ball. Give it: confusion, stomp, shadow ball, and idk thief? Or growl or smth.
I thought chuck trains under a waterfall-hence why he has poliwrath
I believe Gamefreak should have done the Theme with 2 types mechanic for the Johto gym leaders as they did for Kanto's Elite Four. That way more Johto mons can get the spotlight.
Falkner: Flying and fast mons?
Bugsy: Bug and status heavy mons?
Whitney: Normal and cute mons?
Morty: Ghost/Dark and sinister mons?
Chuck: Fighting and physically strong mons?
Jasmine: Steel/Rock and defensive mons?
Pryce: Ice and .....?
Clair: Dragon and monster looking mons?
Maybe if Gamefreak went this route there would be a better balance between the region's mons.
This. I fooking LOVE this idea! It's the exact thought I have too. Give the leaders a "Vibe" rather than type.
Even in modern Pokémon games. Monotype teams are too easy to over come. Get a type advantage and you're gucci.
Gyms need to be less predictable, especially in the older games where a chunk of the types has less than 10 options (Including pre evolved Pokémon...)
@Dengar_YT
Falkner: Skarmory, Hoothoot, Gligar
Bugsy: Heracross, Spinarak, Venonat
Whitney: Miltank, Marill, Flaffy, Jigglypuff
Morty: Gengar, Houndoom, Umbreon, Murkow
Chuck: Poliwrath, Hitmontop, Ursaring, Nidoking(?)
Jasmine: Steelix, Skarmory, Corsola, Rhyhorn(?)
Pryce: Piloswine, Lapras, Snorlax(?), Cloyster
Clair: Kingdra, Gyarados, Dragonair, Tyranitar, Nidoking(?)
Here is what I would have as the OG teams for Johto gym leaders. Gym leaders can have the same mon for their gym but with a catch. Each repeated mon has to have an entire new moveset , no repeated moves, and it has to be built different i.e. Falkner's Skarmory can be a normal attacker, but Jasmine's Skarmory can only be a Bulky defender or Ulitility....
removing milk drink should be considered a sin
amazing video btw
Falkner: Hoothoot / Togetic
Bugsy: Spinarak / Yanma / Scyther
Whitney: Jigglypuff / Aipom / Miltank
Morty: Haunter / Noctowl / Koffing / Misdreavus
Chuck: Primeape / Ursaring / Heracross / Poliwrath
Jasmine: Magneton / Skarmory / Corsola / Steelix
Pryce: Delibird / Dewgong / Cloyster / Piloswine
Clair: Gyarados / Dragonair / Ampharos / Mantine / Kingdra
Will: Slowking / Hypno / Exeggutor / Girafarig / Xatu
Koga: Venomoth / Ariados / Muk / Weezing / Crobat
Bruno: Onix / Hitmontop / Hitmonchan / Hitmonlee / Machamp
Karen: Umbreon / Sneasel / Houndoom / Murkrow / Tyranitar
Lance: Gyarados / Aerodactyl / Feraligatr / Ampharos / Charizard / Dragonite
Greats picks!
In all honesty not bad.
I agree with the first three gyms although I feel Aipom or Clefairy could have stayed or been added.
Morty yeah nice team I would have kept him Ghost with the Gengar ace since it’s the better ace plus Shadow Ball is a good move.
Chuck would give Poliwrath since he trains underneath a waterfall and he lives on an island he need a surfer or flyer.
Clair honestly I would give her Lapras which I’m surprised wasn’t added since it also looks dragon like and Pryus didn’t have one. Aerodactyle I would replace with something like a kankasgon (I know the name is wrong I’m talking about the Pokémon with a baby In it’s pouch in Gen 1.) I think save Aerodactyle for the champion since it’s an extreme rare fossil and Arcaine can replace Seadra.
So which is Morty mt?
Arcanine is most certainly the bestest boy, but I think an illegal tyrannitar (a tyrannitar that is lower leveled than what is natural in the game) might fit a dragon motif just a bit more, were we to include some land dragons in Claire’s kit.
Is it more of a dinosaur? 🦖 well, yes, but it’s entirely on gamefreak for not putting more dragons in the game 😅🤭
Also I wouldn’t feel too bad with having Morty be dark type too since they reused the fighting type again with Bruno and we all kind of were just like “huh okay” playing it as a kid.
Alternatively Claire could have a tyrannitar and that way it’s like a huge bump up in difficulty in the elite four from when you fight Morty previously! 🥰
I do agree, a Tyranitar would be the best fit, especially with the rivalry to Dragonite!
Maybe Claire should be a water dragon specialist.
Whereas lance is a flying dragon specialist.
Personally, I would have given Chuck Poliwrarh since he’s on an island and thus probably is near the water more frequently than Bruno. Will the E4 be getting the same treatment?
Honestly what I would do with morty is Keep his ace gengar, but change his other 3 mons to be Misdreavus, Parasect and Noctowl, all of those fit morty's team so perfectly and for clair since she got that water type pokemon/found in water pokemon with no limbs theme I would go with gyarados and arbok instead of the 2 dragonairs and a Lapras
Oooo, Parasect is a great choice!
Why nor make Clare a water specialist, especially since the Dratiny line is obtained in a lake
I like Faulkner change in pidgeoto.
But keep a pidgey, and mudslap..
Other changes I liked for other gym leaders.
Shouldn’t Bugsy get Scizor, so that Heracross whose half Fighting goes to Chuck? That way both maintain an all Johto team. For Claire, Feraligatr looks like a Dragon, can use Dragon moves and Lance uses a starter evolution Charizard for his Dragons, plus Claire has a half Water Kingdra already and Feraligatr keeps one less duplicate Kanto Mon off a Johto Leaders team.
What about natu cuz its super close to violet city and hoothoot,
Bugsy could have pineco and yanma but like low level like he just caught them
Talking about cute how does Whitney not have teddiursa it's the cutest pokemon in johto, along with a clefa, snubbull and the infamous miltank
You can add murkrow to mortys team and a shiny gyarados hinting to its mega in the future and it's violence
This made me have a good chuckle 🤭 7:46
You can almost hear him!
I don't like the Morty changes, tbh, especially since you gave him Misdreavus anyway and even gave Noctowl Nightmare, a Ghost Type move; I think leaving him a Ghost Type trainer, replacing one of the Haunter with Misdreavus and the Gastly with Stantler is better; Stantler always had a bit of a creepy vibe, has Psychic powers and is found right outside Ecruteak (fitting of the inspiration for the place, since the corresponding real life area of Japan is chock-full of deer) and can even learn Nightmare!
Pryce doesn't need the deer anyway, and I don't think 5 Pokémon for the 7th Leader is a requirement either; if you really wanna have 5 Pokémon while throwing in a Christmas reference, Delibird is right there anyway and of the right Type.
It's also worth noting that, if you change Morty's Type specialty and (presumably) are not gonna make Karen a Ghost Type specialist for the same reason of lack of mons, the whole game won't have a Ghost specialist anymore, since there's also no Agatha to be found, and, between the Gyms of both Regions and the League, every Type in Gen 2 (bar Ground, since Giovanni is understandably not there anymore) is covered with the old lineup, so I honestly really don't think that is a good change.
I do think the gaem should lack a ghost specialist. Same as Dragon. There are only four of each with two fully evolved options. Not enough in my opinion. You have some good ideas though!
@@Dengar_YT Heh, I get that, but some other Types aren't too far off anyway, especially if you don't wanna repeat Pokémon across trainers; indeed, for a Dark specialist, your options were also quite limited anyway, resulting in a team that was only halfway Dark (granted, you did also propose a Noctowl Type change).
Imo, it's better to repeat mons or use some out-of-Type picks than it is to completely change specialties that will (plausibly) be repeated anyway and that still don't have enough options, and at least using a limited Type for a Gym Leader is better than an Elite Four, since the team is smaller, but heh.
Again, though, just my take; overall, I always enjoy these kinds of videos even though I may not agree with all of the changes within them.
what about crystal legacy?
I've not checked it out, but do plan to! Heard Smith did a great job!
Bugsy having a Heracross would be even easier, with a Pidgeotto or Fearow. 2x weakness.
I don't think most players would even have a Pidgeotto or Fearow at that point in the game since they evolve at level 18 and 20 while most of the Pokemon around Azalea Town only go up to level 8. Heracross is also bulkier than Scyther and faster than most of the flying Pokemon that are available at that point anyway, so I don't think it would be _that_ much easier. (also Scyther has a 4x weakness too)
Pleaseeeee do these for all the gens and trail captains, kahuna’s and Elite fours and champions
I'll try my best!
I think Jasmine should have an Ampharos
I feel like if stantler is going to be on pryce’s team and you mentioned delibird shouldn’t it replace cloyster even though I do understand the johto already has a power scaling issue , it would be a cooler addition. No pun intended.
Yeah, that's definitely an option! I bet the pun was 100% intended 😉
Do you expect to make a romhack with these changes??
Just played thru Johto some days ago. I remembered it being easy so didnt go for OP Pokemon like Kadabra, Nidoking or Ampharos, filled the 6 places relatively early and distributed the XP evenly.
It was still way too easy. The trainers are often worse than the wild Pokemon in the grass right next to them...did they decrease in level because the trainers are so incompetent or what?
The gyms are no challenge whatsoever except that Miltank and you dont even need extra training to beat the Elite 4. And Kanto...well the trainers get weaker again, making the whole thing redundant.
The biggest trouble I got in was because I didnt know Golbat cant Fly - so I had to Surf back from the Island...
Maybe make Morty Psychic Type Yeah would’ve been repeating from the last generation But I did literally just happen if you think about it between generations eight and nine and it’s not uncommon for there to be multiple gym leaders of the same type I’ve personally always felt that Noctowl should’ve been Psychic Flying so you could keep the move set you have for it
Then go Espeon as the Ace then Girafarig and Slowpoke he is supposed to have visions anywayb
Yeah, some good ideas!
I'd prefer Lapras on Clair's team more than Arcanine if I'm being honest.
Other options are: Arbok, Steelix, Octillary, & Ampharos
Yeah, reading the comments, Lapras seems to be popular for Claire. I do agree in hindsight.
Honestly I was ok until Whitney. Milk Drink was literally made to be miltanks special move, why the hell would you ever get rid of it? Stomp or body slam are also the whole basis of miltanks purpose. Miltanks whole thing is para-flinch or paralyze/attract and go into rollout while the opponent is incapacitated. If that's more than someone can handle by the third gym they need to find something even easier than pokemon
I would change Morty from ghost to poison
Clair could have had
Lapras or
Ampharos due to Mega Ampharos
Shouldn't have touched their type specialties. Morty should just keep Gengar and a Haunter and a Misdreavus with higher levels and call it a day.
As for Claire, I dont like her having anything that's not of the sea. Kingdra, Seadra, 2 Dragonair, one special one physical, Gyarados, and Vaporeon since it has better "draconic/mythical" features but tbh you dug yourself a hole trying to give her 6 mons while keeping her a Dragon specialist lol
Unfortunately that's all we got l
Sneasel with those attacks is actually really bad because of dark and ice types moves' always being special in generation 2 and its sp. atk is VERY low... also, even the weakest fighting type move can kill it easily, even in one hit... Lapras would be much better and, if you didn't choose it because of Red, then Red's Lapras could be replaced by Articuno because, you know, pokemon masters OR Jynx is also an option, simply replace Will's Jynx with some other psychic (like Mr. Mime, since there are NO Mr. Mime users in the 2nd generation)
By the way, Natu and Xatu are also options for Falkner
Since Sneasel is the fastest ice type available, I think it _could_ work as a physical sweeper if it just used nonSTAB moves like slash and shadow ball. Beat up is also an option that deals typeless damage and doesn't rely on Sneasel's low spatk. Jynx would definitely help since the whole team is weak to fighting types, plus it's also useful against faster grass types that can take down Dewgong and Piloswine. (it doesn't provide super useful coverage for Will's psychics anyway)
Bugsy literally says in his dialogue he’s researching Cocoon Pokémon movesets. Sure it amounts to nothing, but the concept is the theme of the research he’s doing. Yes, having them on his team is laughable, but from a lore perspective, it fits.
Whitney… you’re gonna deny Miltank Milk Drink? Stomp removal, yes. Get rid of it. Rollout and Attract, keep it. But keep Milk Drink, because that a signature move for Miltank as a species.
As for Price… you can tackle the Lake of Rage and the Rocket Hideout in Mahogany Town, allowing you to challenge Price as the 5th Gym Leader. Non-linear design and all that. So the level drop is for those who chose to go to Mahogany before Olivine and Cianwood.
Clair doesn’t need Six Pokémon. The E4 only have 5, and that’s been the normal until, what… Gen 5 or 6??
Just saying.
Nah, I'd just change the lore. Cocoons are way to weak for a gym battle in my opinion.
Milk Drink is WAY too annoying. There's not enough in the game to prevent healing.
For Pryce, that's the issue. If they're dynamic then so should the levels be.
For the E4 having five Pokémon, yeah. That's another problem for another video.😜
@@Dengar_YT it would get tedious if all trainers had six Pokémon in game.
@@RedDragonForce2 Not all of them, just the final bosses. Gym 8 and the E4.
Clair should have had a Yanma, it's a "Dragon"fly
I love it!
Pidgeotto is legal. You can get a level 9 Pidgeotto in Viridian Forest in Yellow. Who’s to say Falkner, or even his dad, didn’t obtain one and gift it to Falkner??
Well, slap my face and call me surprised. You're right! I stand corrected!