Australia's Collins SSK Sub Brief

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  • @sixstringedthing
    @sixstringedthing 3 роки тому +206

    As an Australian, the "completion" of the hull with painted timber in time for the launch ceremony is one of the most Aussie things I've ever heard, and I can guarantee that it was done under orders against the advice of the people actually building the thing so a bunch of politicians could keep their appointment with the TV cameras.

    • @lancerd4934
      @lancerd4934 3 роки тому +17

      It could only be more australian if they'd used corrugated iron instead of wood and baling twine to hold it together

    • @sixstringedthing
      @sixstringedthing 3 роки тому +13

      @@lancerd4934 as the old timers used to say, "if you can't fix it with #2 fencing wire, it probably can't be fixed".

    • @andrewstrongman305
      @andrewstrongman305 3 роки тому +8

      @John Fallon Lol, Aussies have been 'Magyvering' stuff since day 1. Have you heard of Ned Kelly? When an Aussie's back is against the wall he's at his most inventive and dangerous state. Look up the Owen gun. In 1938 a 24 year old civilian figured that submachine guns would be important and developed a prototype using .22 LR. Initially rejected by the army as unnecessary, in the Second World War we needed a submachine gun that was simple and reliable as US or British weapons were in short supply and unreliable in muddy jungle conditions. The army decided to develop Owen's design in 9mm, and when tested against the Sten and Thompson after being immersed in mud or covered in sand was the only gun that still operated. 45,000 were produced between 1942 and 1944 (by a nation with no large scale firearms manufacturers), and it was in use until the late '60's.

    • @felixtheswiss
      @felixtheswiss 3 роки тому +1

      Yes I remember when we went online with Pelican Point Power Station with TV Cameras in the control room. We joked to simulate everything just for fun. Nobody could tell. Nowhere else in the world I had such an experience.

    • @sixstringedthing
      @sixstringedthing 3 роки тому +2

      @@felixtheswiss Electrical/HV engineering is a field I'm very interested in, amusing to learn that the same kind of shenanigans sometimes go on there. I'm sure the same kind of thing happens all the time in other countries. But Aussies do seem to be particularly good at bunging it on for the cameras, especially when the choices are "make it look good or start working on your resumé". Cheers ;)

  • @SubBrief
    @SubBrief  3 роки тому +271

    This one is special. It's the first 'Sub Brief' and was the beginning of my professional military contractor career even though I didn't know it at the time. Now, I develop systems for NAVSEA and do 'Sub Brief' as a hobby. Life is full of opportunities that you create.

    • @1roadrage1
      @1roadrage1 3 роки тому +6

    • @spaceskipster4412
      @spaceskipster4412 3 роки тому +7

      Brilliant video... 👌🏼 thank you. 😊

    • @buckstarchaser2376
      @buckstarchaser2376 3 роки тому +4

      Why did you keyword-stuff the description with a bunch of unrelated terms like "best meatball sub fort collins"? That's really dickish for a cool dude such as yourself.

    • @shadow7037932
      @shadow7037932 3 роки тому +3

      @@buckstarchaser2376 I think that's a bit of a joke/meme or something

    • @harveyshepherd3902
      @harveyshepherd3902 3 роки тому +3

      It's really nice to see people transition from military careers with no civilian equivalents manage to turn them into good civilian employment. Gives a CP-140 Scope dope like me some hope

  • @GMH_GTR
    @GMH_GTR 3 роки тому +84

    As an Australian Sailor I've been waiting for this one to come up for a while. Great to see an outside perspective

    • @SubBrief
      @SubBrief  3 роки тому +14

      Hope you enjoyed it!

  • @Slade51463
    @Slade51463 3 роки тому +207

    This whole project is just the epitome of the Aussie saying, “she’ll be right”.

    • @tony6834-h6h
      @tony6834-h6h 3 роки тому +12

      And she is!

    • @Thermalions
      @Thermalions 3 роки тому +9

      The public wasn't quite so forgiving.

    • @sixstringedthing
      @sixstringedthing 3 роки тому +9

      It's easy to say "yeah nah, she'll be right mate" when you're spending public money. :)

    • @VenturiLife
      @VenturiLife 3 роки тому +2

      Someone else was paying the bill... the taxpayer.

    • @KeithBab
      @KeithBab 3 роки тому +23

      It's actually almost exactly the reverse.
      Many foreign defence contractors are used to saying 'close enough'. But the defence department in Australia is far more 'Nah, the contract said you would do X, you said it could do X, show me it doing it." Many of them just ticked all the boxes saying 'does X', but never expected to have to actually meet that, and when called out on it, were used to the more American system where the Government would pay them 'time and materials' to fix it. That's not how the Australian military contracts work. It's fixed price. You fix it at your expense.
      Anyway, the end result was a very good submarine.

  • @SigmaSalt
    @SigmaSalt 3 роки тому +90

    Some interesting tidbits form development: The German competitor was embarrassing compared to the Swedish sub it only had 50% of required power, 2/3rds submerged time and 15% less range WITH hotel services disabled.
    The contract didn't include a noise requirement for above 10 knots, Sweden never operated fast so it wasn't even considered a problem for them.
    Signaal left Australia after they never received the style-guide so the brief(or something I cant remember) was basically ignored for the Rockwell system.
    they had to change the shape of the sonar dome and move the accessories but couldn't decide who would pay to test the new shape leading to the "Fangs" that would impact the screw and make a bunch of noise.
    America knew about the propeller cracking before we even started designing it, but due to the secrecy around your submarine program we were never told. An Australian Dr. Oldfield developed new anechoic tiles that got you guys interested and coupled with the work we did on the electronic system together led to signing an agreement in the pentagon on sharing sub technology the day before 9/11.
    There was a bunch of messing around with this project in the navy and parliament ie: There were a few people trying to get this project scrapped and get a new aircraft carrier with no submarines. When The opposition got in after running on a campaign that included scrapping the sub program they ran the numbers and came back with the idea that if we changed anything we should order the 12 that the contract would allow not just the 6.
    If anyone is interested in the design / local politics I would highly recommend the book "Collins class submarine story" by Peter Yule and Derek Woolner.

    • @Walsh2571
      @Walsh2571 3 роки тому

      I highly recommend this book

    • @tomnewham1269
      @tomnewham1269 3 роки тому

      I need to get this book.

    • @nic7048
      @nic7048 2 роки тому

      12 would of been such a waste of resources as in around 2007 the Navy for a short time only had 1 sub that was active out of 6 and no more than 2 which is terrible, this was similiar to the same problems the Canadian navy had. There is one sub base on the left of Australia and it seems just 3 but 4 in an emergency is the max crew your ever going to get.... if Australia had of picked the spanish s80 plus sub which i think was the best replacement for the collins other then building more collins it would of been fine as it has a 20 crew rather than 50. you could build 15 and still need need any more personell which would of been perfect for Australia... that 4.5 billion wasted on the french contract could of built 4 brand new almost 5 spanish s80 plus subs and you would save a huge amount of money by not having to life extend the collins or build a huge sub base near sydney on the right side of Australia... finially australia could of had sub numbers that would be similiar to korea or japan but that will not happen now ... the 300 million overbudget delay on the s80 made Australia pull out kind of ironic when they wasted 4.5 billion on french contract and got nothing for it , so that 300 miilllion that made the s80 plus the same size as collins is nothing in comparision

    • @iangodfrey4518
      @iangodfrey4518 2 роки тому

      The original contract was for 6 submarines with option for 2 more. Eight - not twelve.

    • @iangodfrey4518
      @iangodfrey4518 2 роки тому

      @@nic7048 S80 doesn't have the range or endurance of Collins. Also the original Collins class contract was for 6 subs with an option for 2 more - total of 8. Not 12.
      Many of the problems with Collins were self inflicted - government not putting up the cash for maintenance and crews.

  • @lint8391
    @lint8391 3 роки тому +52

    I love these videos because it's great hearing a technical specialist talk about a subject he's passionate about. And because the host comes over as a thoroughly decent chap. The sort of person that I'd be proud to have as a friend.

    • @BuceGar
      @BuceGar 3 роки тому

      Agree 100%.

  • @bensmith1301
    @bensmith1301 3 роки тому +10

    Jive thanks for the praise, as a serving member, it is pleasing to see someone notice the hard work we have done to make this a formidable platform.

  • @ryanpaterson5902
    @ryanpaterson5902 3 роки тому +26

    As an Australian Submariner this was very entertaining and well researched/presented 🤙

  • @backseatgamer7367
    @backseatgamer7367 3 роки тому +59

    From a guy that lives in Australia.
    Thank you.

  • @thelimatheou
    @thelimatheou Рік тому +2

    I was on HMAS Otama - the last operational Oberon class - in service up until the late 90's. It was supposed to pay off much sooner, but the Collins shitshow meant its life was 'extended' well beyond what was originally intended. Didn't get to ride on a Collins class, but did a walkthrough. I was so shocked that they could actually take showers!

  • @sagmilling
    @sagmilling 3 роки тому +42

    Fun fact, the Australian Submarine Corp also made the laterite leach autoclave vessels for a mine in Western Australia. Explosion bonded titanium inside a card on steel shell, not a technology you find in most workshops.

    • @backseatgamer7367
      @backseatgamer7367 3 роки тому +4

      Well umm monodelphous made the largest cyclonic uranium inrichment system in the southern hemisphere.

    • @mortified776
      @mortified776 3 роки тому +4

      Australian mining tech in general is impressive. No other country can produce a tonne of iron ore as efficiently.

    • @crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641
      @crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641 3 роки тому +1

      I remember that job well, the grubby management would not provide supplied air masks for the welders inside the pressure vessels. Even though they were hanging in the store.

    • @freda5344
      @freda5344 2 роки тому

      @@mortified776 Huh! just about ALL the tech and equipment is imported

  • @JM-gj7de
    @JM-gj7de 3 роки тому +18

    Nice vid. Enjoyed a lot. Oddly enough, I got privilege of touring a Collins Class boat in '98 or '99...can't remember the exact year. They pulled into Pearl Harbor sub base for a port visit. Nice looking boat. As an A-ganger, I was particularly impressed with their atmosphere control equipment. Newer and more advanced than the rickety old CO/H2 burners and CO2 scrubbers on my 688-I boat.

  • @lynansheng
    @lynansheng 3 роки тому +13

    That 45-58 crew compliment is how they get the 70 day crew endurance. They go out with 58, they come back with 45. :)

  • @davidwhitfield6025
    @davidwhitfield6025 3 роки тому +7

    As someone who was in Defence during this all I can say is there was a lot of smiles and back thumps to sailors after the Collins submarines' successes. We and especially the RAN had gone through a lot of pain and very cruel jokes from the media about the Collins. Problems have continued and finding enough crews to support full rotations have become challenges in the past decade but that is improving again. No doubt the same problems and cost blow outs will occur in the next class (your excellent if depressing video on that highlighted things to come) but as ever average Australian workers and sailors will find a way to make it good. Its what we do.

  • @ChargersGoHard
    @ChargersGoHard 3 роки тому +109

    These Aussie's run a sub program like I run my school projects... winging it the whole way.

    • @vellocet2438
      @vellocet2438 3 роки тому +12

      That's the Australian way mate

    • @shadow7037932
      @shadow7037932 3 роки тому +3

      What could be more Australian than winging it???

    • @88njtrigg88
      @88njtrigg88 3 роки тому +8

      Winging it & waving debt that's owed by other countries...
      That's the Australian way.

    • @meatmissilef111
      @meatmissilef111 3 роки тому +12

      @@shadow7037932 Drinking a 6er of VB, lighting up a Winnie Blue, and hopping in your Holden Monaro to drive from Coomera to Coombabah to bang some bushpig you met on the internet. So basically winging it

    • @mikecimerian6913
      @mikecimerian6913 3 роки тому +11

      During WWII Aussies needed a tank. They built the Sentinel from scratch in three months. The Boomerang fighter was developed as quickly. There were only DC3 engines available, ok put this on a fighter. The Boomerang is one of the best sounding fighter of WWII if not the better one in a fight. For me the beginnings was painful (not your fault) but the end result ... tip of the hat. Good boats.

  • @buster105e
    @buster105e 3 роки тому +15

    I love the Collins, great looking subs, sure they had their problems but by all accounts they are extremely good boats now. Also pause for a minute and think what a momentous task this must have been for Australia. To completely set up a new manufacturing base and tooling in an industry you had no experience in and on top of that to partner with Sweden, a country that designs submarines for shallow water Littoral operations (the furthest away from what you actually want). Hats off to them. The fact that they even got it done and still have them running well today is a great testament to the Australian Navy. Its just unfortunate that they don't seem to have heeded the hard earned lessons from it with regards to the Attack class.

  • @pattygman4675
    @pattygman4675 3 роки тому +33

    To our American friends when you are on exercise with the Aussie’s and you hear “land down under” by men at work, come across your sonar system. Consider yourself “sunk” as we say here tell ya story walking pal. (Ref to HMAS Rankin on exercise RIMPAC) Great video as always from Sub Brief. 👍🇦🇺🇺🇸

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 3 роки тому +7

      As an American submariner, I can totally see y'all doing that. Friend of mine rigged up a connection to wire a Walkman into the underwater telephone back in the late 1980s.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 3 роки тому +2

      @willl 77 kids these days... 😜

    • @knowsmebyname
      @knowsmebyname 7 місяців тому +1

      "Thats not a knife...thats a Knife."

  • @Cryshalo
    @Cryshalo 3 роки тому +22

    A big part of the problems with readiness and manning that the class experienced really had nothing to do with the ships or the service, but related to the mining industry targeting submariners in particular for head hunting.

    • @crookeddoghomebrew9144
      @crookeddoghomebrew9144 3 роки тому +1

      Yes that and also then punish the sailors that kept those boats at sea by importing RN sailors and surface fleet sailors .Effectively denying promotion to those that kept the boats manned aka the direct entry professional submariner.

    • @jeatalong
      @jeatalong 3 роки тому +5

      Mind you the mining industry was offering AUD$200k+ year for 2 weeks one and 1 week off. No wonder the sailors went that way, triple the salary and the ability to see friends/family easily in comparison to being on a sub.
      As an Australian it always got me wondering whether the Navy let the Collins have such a bad reputation so it would have a large advantage against a peer state in a conflict. On the whole, it seems a bit disingenius.

  • @EyeKnowRaff
    @EyeKnowRaff 3 роки тому +88

    Nah mate, woods non-ferrous. Mine countermeasures, mate.
    -Aussie shipyard worker (probably)

    • @ConstantlyDamaged
      @ConstantlyDamaged 3 роки тому +5

      Also a stealth feature. Absorbs active sonar and presents a non-threat target to passive receivers. Combined with the Accadacca screaming over the internal speakers and no one ever suspected it wasn't just Bazza out for a party in his fishing dingy.

  • @iangodfrey4518
    @iangodfrey4518 2 роки тому +1

    There was a spiral wrap put around the periscopes ages ago that fixed vibration problems.

  • @Bugcatcher3d
    @Bugcatcher3d 3 роки тому +3

    Well done on the info. As an Aussie and from WA where the subs are maintained along with SA where they were built, I've always had an interest and followed the Collins story closely. I do remember there was talk the an integrated bus type was planned / intended for the sub systems which no one, even the US had attempted before which was a little too ambitious at the time. US were using separate systems and I think we also scrapped the planned design and went for an more off-shelf system supplied by a US company. I also though Boeing was involved somewhere as well.
    Also, speaking to Navy commander friend, he also mentioned that during one of the war games, one of the pre-upgrade subs managed to get close enough to a US carrier to take a photo of it's keel. Not sure how factual that is but was what I was told along with alot of the problems associated with sub as you mentioned in the video. With all it's problems, it was likely the most advanced diesel electric for most of it's service though I assume there are some more advanced sub now.

  • @chronus4421
    @chronus4421 3 роки тому +5

    Thanks Jive! Nice to see these full briefs on UA-cam, and I'm happy that, as a Crew Member, I had the opportunity to watch this a long time ago!!
    Edit: Best part: @8:50 - Australians are badass, so 70 days on a diesel boat is still a vacation from a continent where everything is trying to kill you (not a quote, but rather paraphrase)

  • @faithtyler7117
    @faithtyler7117 3 роки тому +11

    Cant wait, love your videos

  • @montys420-
    @montys420- 2 роки тому

    The issues we had with the sub were a noisy shaft issue with the early boats and the combat management system was also delayed because we were stubborn with the harware/software installations and yes thankyou to our American friends for helping solve these issues and turn these boats into 1 of the best conventional attack subs in the world...also another fun fact as an Australian infantryman I was attached to the U.S marine expeditionary force in OPTandem thrust in 2001 when were sunk by the sub, it waited until we left Port, let us sail over top of her then attacked coming out of Mackay harbour!

  • @niclasbagenheim7181
    @niclasbagenheim7181 3 роки тому +6

    I knew a guy working for Kockums and he was very frustrated by the software problems that they couldn´t control and he said that if we (Kockums) had built the boats, things would have been a lot easier. Having many different contractors for various systems is often problematic by nature:-) New to me was the vibration, leaks and hydrodynamic problems. I don´t know if the Swedish boats upon which the Collins class is based, have had the same issues. Thanks for a lot of interesting and openminded videos about these amazing machines!

    • @mrteacher1315
      @mrteacher1315 3 роки тому

      Underwater orchestra

    • @johanmetreus1268
      @johanmetreus1268 2 роки тому

      The Västergötland-class to my knowledge did not suffer such extensive problems.

  • @lukebrennan5780
    @lukebrennan5780 6 місяців тому

    Two of my brothers-in-law served on Australian Oberon's and they did some very cool stuff. Being inside an Oberon to special places was a big ask of anybody. They certainly earned their (paltry) pay. The Collins class was a HUGE undertaking! I am still astonished that Australia was able to build them and they eventually turned out to be every bit as good as had been hoped for. For tons of gory details and history, grab the book: "The Collins Class Submarine Story" by Yule & Woolner.

  • @tomhutchins7495
    @tomhutchins7495 3 роки тому +10

    When I did my Masters in strategy at ANU in 2009, the Collins boats were a big case study in the question of indigenous defence procurement. Very cool subs and of course the Australian submariners draw on a long legacy of success.
    Small world: my first job was at CSC (2010-13) but I was in the far less interesting B2B cloud stuff in the UK. We were not even allowed to know what most of the US part of the company did.

  • @BuceGar
    @BuceGar 3 роки тому +1

    Your analysis is thoroughly enjoyable. You're knowledgeable and there's always a laugh in your voice. Keep up the good work!

  • @Thetiersofmadness
    @Thetiersofmadness 3 роки тому +6

    I’m an Australian and your description of us was not to bad. Keep up the good work jive 😄👍🏻

    • @tony6834-h6h
      @tony6834-h6h 3 роки тому

      I Agree, not bad at all mate

    • @johno9507
      @johno9507 3 роки тому

      That's Mr Turkey to you. 😉

    • @scottyfox6376
      @scottyfox6376 3 роки тому

      In Australia that old saying applies...what doesn't kill you, better start running.😄

  • @rikbrown4864
    @rikbrown4864 3 роки тому +5

    Great stuff. Makes me proud of Australia even with the design issues. Had no idea they took on 688s

  • @steveoc64
    @steveoc64 3 роки тому +9

    I worked on these at ASC up to and including the 1st launch ceremony, under Hans Orff. Was a great experience and great honour. Even managed to pickup some new Swedish and Italian swear words over casual lunch breaks. Its a fair call that none of the more hair raising or impressive bits about this project ever made it to the press.
    The press were invited to the launch for the 1st Collins class as well - but the picture they published on the front page of the newspaper ... they kayaked to a spot across the river in the mangrove swamps, and took some fake ass "spy shots" from the mangroves on the telephoto. Typical press.
    Same deal with just about all the other information that ever made it to the public about the Collins Class.
    What I can say about working on these - Ive worked Army, Navy, and AirForce for the ADF ... and the Navy by far does the best XMas party catering of all the branches. The RAAF does seriously fucking good catering too, but the RAN catering is just next level.

  • @ronchappel4812
    @ronchappel4812 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for doing our sub Aaron. I'd forgotten how many mistakes there were,and how they were fixed.I also wasnt aware how well it performed in war games.
    Memories are strange things.We forget most of the bad but remember the good.
    I cant help but wonder if the Collins experience has influenced our attitude to future purchases?
    - As in we're happy to take a risk because we've done it before 'and that worked out ok'

  • @Zany4God
    @Zany4God 3 роки тому +1

    Voice Recognition: ON. At that moment I was paying attention to a fact sheet, not listening attentively to the voice input. Then it hit me, I know that voice although I hadn't heard it for quite a long time. It was you! I knew it was you. You have a very voice that my active VR finally tuned in. haha. Nice seeing you. It's been a long time. Hope you are well. I was qualified in 1963, in San Diego, aboard the APSS -313, the Perch. DBF Any way, we were on a WestPac cruise and we're tied up in Caviti, in the PI, and tied up right in front of us was an Oberon class sub, and I got a tour. What an experience. I'm happy to see you again Best wishes!!

  • @ribsi85
    @ribsi85 3 роки тому +3

    Cool channel! Not even really a sub guy but I guess I clicked enough military stuff to end up here. As an Australian with zero idea about our submarines that was really informative and interesting, thank you!

  • @JessWLStuart
    @JessWLStuart 3 роки тому +12

    Yay! Another Sub Brief video!

    • @SubBrief
      @SubBrief  3 роки тому +5

      It's an old Sub Brief, but it checks.

  • @nomar5spaulding
    @nomar5spaulding 3 роки тому +2

    So I'm at the 12 minute mark where it talks about the hardware being designed with the original proposals in the mid 1980s, but here they are in the mid 1990s building the actual boats, and now the computer hardware is so wildly out of date that it's hard to get the software to even run on the bleeding things and what I'm instantly in mind of is the F-22 Raptor. A lot of people wonder why the US can't build more F-22s. Among the many reasons why we can't, from the merely stupid, to the downright criminally negligent, one of the reasons we can't build new ones is that it's now 2021 and the computer hardware for that aircraft was designed like 30 years ago. You cannot physically get such primitive hardware anymore. It has to be custom built to a degree that is just so far behind the current standard that even the US Military looks at that price tag and says, "It's just too expensive man. It's cheaper to try and build a whole different aircraft with parts in it that you can actually buy."

  • @GavinGillett
    @GavinGillett 3 роки тому +2

    I found your channel because of this video and i'm sure glad I did. Great content, i'm going ot be here for hours :D

  • @cameronalexander359
    @cameronalexander359 3 роки тому +17

    A lot of lessons were learned in this program. There's value in that. Such a shame we didn't have a other crack at building our own subs.

    • @M3au
      @M3au 3 роки тому +4

      Yes. All that sovereign building capability has now retired. The same will happen with the current program. No one will get us to build submarines for them and when it comes time to replace the Barracuda variants, we will be back to square one .... again.

    • @oldfrend
      @oldfrend 3 роки тому

      @@M3au i don't understand their desire to maintain their own naval ship building capability. they have a GDP smaller than canada yet they want to make their own toys like the big boys. they pay out the ass for that capability that really does nothing outside of these one off programs, when that money could've bought them significantly better subs for cheaper. they don't make their own aircraft or their own tanks, yet they want to make their own subs? i don't get it.

    • @M3au
      @M3au 3 роки тому +1

      @@oldfrend it is all about getting votes in the mendicant state of South Australia. Both political parties do it. Spend billions of dollars to build warships very slowly so that they garner a few votes from a state that a market economy will not support.

    • @gracej79
      @gracej79 3 роки тому +8

      @@oldfrend because we're a long way from allies shipbuilding capabilities (closest, usa, has no diesel boats, so we need to look elsewhere), many of which are likely to be involved in a future conflict which means logistics into a warzone to support our defence force. As recent events around vaccine exports have shown, there's doubts about how much we can rely on those allies if push came to shove.

    • @bossdog1480
      @bossdog1480 3 роки тому +2

      @@oldfrend We build most of our own ships. It's all about jobs and learning current technologies. Mainly it's about jobs and politics.

  • @sophrapsune
    @sophrapsune 3 роки тому +13

    I hope that the Collins is good, because it’s all we’ll have to fight the next war, which will be done and dusted before the Shortfin Barracuda is anywhere near ready.

  • @mirandela777
    @mirandela777 3 роки тому +2

    Another great piece ! Thank you man, you are THE best !

  • @TheDesertraptor
    @TheDesertraptor 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for this video. Tells much of the story that many Australians don't know.
    Our media has not been kind to Collins.
    Tight ass government were the cause of many a problem.
    And now were are about to repeat the process hopefully we learned from the mistakes of the past.
    Canning the French sub is a great start.

  • @bustermorley8318
    @bustermorley8318 3 роки тому +15

    Amuses me when I read the requirement about a long long service life of 20 years. Reality is they may end up doing closer to 40 by the time their replacements are built.

    • @Nathan-ry3yu
      @Nathan-ry3yu 3 роки тому

      Why 6 billion dollars was spent on them so they can be used for the extended lifespan. They are a beast at the moment. For its age. It will still make many navies nervous a decade from now even. The US had ships serving 50 years. The Iowa class Battleship didn't get retired till 1996. That was built during ww2. They have had subs serving for 40 years before they was replaced too.
      Australia seems to replace equipment due to capabilities rather than age..thoughs Anzacs class frigates was only built from 1996. As where Australia replacing for more capability. The US would had used thoughs ships for petrol ships for its coastguard for another 15 or so year. Australia rather sinks them or sell them of. But loses numbers off a fleet. And limit its vessel strength. Especially when ships get deployed in other areas. They have nothing to patrol its sovereignty waters other than a few lightly armed OPV. And have to rely on air defence that is also limited in strength. Since the retired off the F111 fleet. Australia lost its long range stike capability. the problem with that. Who's to know China won't send submarines 2000km from Australia shores armed with long range ballistic missiles when Australia deployed its fleet in the south China sea.? What's going to protect Australia? I don't then thiughs new OPV or the F35 can they limited in range

  • @joelrobertson6678
    @joelrobertson6678 3 роки тому +25

    People are somehow still convinced the Collins' are duds when they've proven time and time again that they are amongst the best diesel-electric submarines in the world, and the only non-nuclear type with the range and endurance to meet Australia's geographic requirements. The results they have achieved in wargames speak for themselves.

    • @nic7048
      @nic7048 2 роки тому +1

      come on there nearly the same as all the sweedish subs since 1980 that they are based on, they are also very similiar to the 2 subs singapore has right now. Collins was just a lot better for long range as it had the biggest battery storage of any sub and highest recharge rate and still does... no sub can beat that 11 500 mile range and 70 day endurance to this day thats non nuclear. Makes you wonder why they wasted so much money on the french sub that has no real benefit over collins when they could of just build more collins with a better engine etc

  • @vstrangejames
    @vstrangejames 3 роки тому +2

    I lived on the Port River a few clicks from the ASN at Osborne. It was just about a straight line view from my balcony to the dry dock and on a clear day you could see a Collins berthed. The same facility is making the Arleigh Burke variants currently. Thanks for the video, really appreciate it, from an Adelaidian 🤠

    • @robman2095
      @robman2095 3 роки тому

      What do you mean Arleigh Burke variants?

    • @vstrangejames
      @vstrangejames 3 роки тому

      @@robman2095 I meant to say the Spanish Álvaro de Bazán variant. Thanks for noticing 😏

  • @patrickschaefer4682
    @patrickschaefer4682 3 роки тому +4

    Inserting a submarine into East Timor is the naval equivalent of throwing a hot dog down a hallway

  • @timcarter9260
    @timcarter9260 2 роки тому

    I used to sail past and see the hulls being built back in 1998. I remember the incomplete software caused it to crash into the pier which became a big news issue in Australia.

  • @rustygrigg
    @rustygrigg 3 роки тому +5

    Although the Collins Class subs had a lot problems in the beginning they are now one of the best diesel subs going around.

  • @FraserDM
    @FraserDM 3 роки тому +1

    As an Aussie, I totally love your commentary mate and your channel. Keep it up!

  • @wealthelife
    @wealthelife 3 роки тому +4

    Amazing how reasonably effective these Collins class subs ended up being, given they were customized and then the 'production run' was only six boats. 1/6th of the fleet was basically a prototype boat!
    Hopefully we've learned from the Collins and French contract and development issues and do a better job with the new SSNs. Perhaps first buy a couple of Virginia class subs made in the US while upskilling and preparing to build the remaining Virginia class subs (or possibly SSN(X)s) at Osborne (and doing maintenance at Osborne), or else buy a couple of new Astute's from the UK and then gear up to build a slightly customized version of the new UK dreadnaught subs (i.e. a variation of the UK version to meet Australian requirements). Not sure if maintaining a mix of Astute's and SSNRs / Virginias and SSN(X)s would be feasible though. Adding a couple more subs onto the tail end of the existing US or UK production runs of Virginia or Astute subs should make the cost reasonable? (Eventually producing similar SSNs at Osborne will invariable make the cost-per-boat a LOT higher).
    It's always tempting to wait for the great new features that are on the drawing board, rather than go with an existing design that is going to be quite 'old' by the time the first one would be delivered in Australia (although Virginia and Astute class subs are still 'current' technology). The selection process for the French subs was meant to only use 'existing technology' but that didn't stop the customization process delaying the final designs by years (and who knows what issues might have only been discovered during sea trials).
    The first Australian SSN is supposedly due in 2035, while the first SSN(X) is supposed to be done in 2031 and the first SSNR sometime around 2035. But waiting for either the SSN(X) or SSNR to become available could easily delay when the first replacement for the Collins class was available to Australia (and I don't imagine either the US or UK would be keen for Australia to get the second of either the SSN(X) or SSNR, unless by some miracle ACS could gain sufficient facilities and skilled workforce over the next decade to build them at Osborne...). I suppose in theory it should be possible to upgrade ASC to be able to produce an SSN over ten years, especially if Australia was involved in the design process for a variation of the SSN(X) or SSNR.
    A big issue for the Navy might be having crews for the new subs - Virginia's apparently have 134 per boat, and Astute's have 98. So the current 6 x 50ish crew from the Collins class subs would only be enough to crew 2-3 of the new Australian SSNs. The actual personnel will have changed a lot between now and 2035, but finding sufficient sub crew is supposed to be a problem already.

  • @jpennell5555
    @jpennell5555 3 роки тому +5

    1 tonne of water a minute-"nah mate, nothing to worry about, just a leak"

  • @martingreenaway1328
    @martingreenaway1328 3 роки тому

    Hey Aaron thank you very much for this brief. Lovley to see this from a non Australian perspective. @17:20 you mentioned the extended sail at the rear but I think that's actually the exhaust diffuser. It's identical to that on the Gotland class.

  • @peterides9568
    @peterides9568 3 роки тому +3

    We just cancelled our baguette order, we're buying Astutes or Virginias!

  • @alangarnham706
    @alangarnham706 3 роки тому

    Thanks Capt'n. Great video. As an Aussie I'm proud of our Collins subs as they were the first ones built by us and as you stated the sailors are outstanding. The Collins to me is a bit like the F111.
    We will get better at building subs and ships as practice makes perfect and then next ones "should" be better.
    p.s, you got me onto Cold Waters and its a great game but the Soviets keep ganging up on me and sinking my sub.

  • @genekelly8467
    @genekelly8467 3 роки тому +19

    Actually not too bad-for a nation that never built subs before. Ask the Spanish Navy how their S-80 design is going.

    • @sapede
      @sapede 3 роки тому +6

      Not same: Australia contracted swedish Type 471 from Kockums, owned by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft and German ThyssenKrupp. The Spanish are doing everything by themselves from scratch.

    • @patriklind545
      @patriklind545 3 роки тому +1

      @@sapede Well, the Swedes, really did not get their say in some key matters of this submarine. From the get go there was changes that seemed more political than technical. And they wouldnt take no for an answer.

    • @david19664
      @david19664 3 роки тому

      @@sapede there was no "real" type 471 from the Swedes. The 471 was a computer model based on a stretched Type A17. The government broke its own conditions of contract by buying a submarine that was a computer generated model, which is part of the reason why we had so many troubles with the class. The other problems were fabricated by ASC

    • @software25
      @software25 3 роки тому

      ​@@sapede The swedish family Kockum started their business in the 1800s, but Kockums was a german owned company 1999 to 2014, so when Australia made a deal with the swedes in the 80´s Kockums was a swedish owned company. The Collin class sub can simply be said to be an enlarged version of Kockums' Västergötland class.

    • @nic7048
      @nic7048 2 роки тому

      @@david19664 YEP, it was Australia always changing the design then blaming the designer for what they never agreed to in the first place. The same thing could happen to the new Hunter class frigate just look how different it is to the UK frigate it probably only has 55% comonality now, even the size is a lot bigger

  • @davemanning6424
    @davemanning6424 3 роки тому

    The Australian defense dept. Is notorious for selecting various bits and pieces , redesigning them, mixing them together with systems from various countries and coming up with mostly substandard equipment and apparently they still haven't learned anything !

  • @peterjones4180
    @peterjones4180 3 роки тому

    The majority of problems with the class were as a result of having government civilian bureaucrats in charge, they were general purpose administrators with no naval engineering knowledge and focused on bureaucratic outcomes not combat capability.
    The navy found that they were in effect reporting to the administrators whom were making the decisions.
    The administrators in many cases did not UNDERSTAND the navy requirements, or concepts like comprehensive testing for novel design equipment before selecting it.
    For example Hemidora engines, were an excellent choice , however instead of buying off the shelf, it was decided at a civilian level they decided to buy a NON STANDARD extended length version which had never existed, this was done without rigorous prototype testing.
    As a result once the subs started to operate it was found that the extra length of the engines made the engine body twist while being run, had they bought the standard sub engines off the shelf it would have been a NO risk decision.
    The combat system was another good example, the specifications were NOT what the navy had requested, however project management asked for an unnecessarilysuccessfully
    to those parameters, this was not done.
    bureaucratic career protection, no admissions of poor decision making could be admitted to.

  • @YaMumsSpecialFriend
    @YaMumsSpecialFriend 3 роки тому +1

    Fascinating 🖖🏼

  • @infeedel7706
    @infeedel7706 3 роки тому +11

    Considering we had never built a Submarine and for all the detractors, the class was pretty good in terms of "bang for the buck". We did well and our sailors did really well with these boats, just ask the USN.

    • @gracej79
      @gracej79 3 роки тому +2

      When you consider that 6 boats and an industry was built for about the cost of a Sea Wolf, they're not too bad.

  • @briananthony4044
    @briananthony4044 3 роки тому +3

    The original combat data system never functioned well and was replaced by the Raytheon CSS Mk 2 which is based on the AN-BYG-1 that is used in the US Los Angeles class. As to the Stirling engines, I remember an Australian intelligence officer mentioning many years ago that the Collins was supposed to have 2 Stirling engines fitted and had space provided for this, but that this never occurred. They were purchased and were sitting in a warehouse in Australia.

  • @rudbarnes8577
    @rudbarnes8577 3 роки тому

    I'm Australian and I like to think that I know a lot about the ADF (Australian Defense Force), but §i learned more from this than I could have imagined. Thanks, mate.

  • @MajesticDemonLord
    @MajesticDemonLord 3 роки тому +26

    I think this Sub Brief should be renamed:
    Collins SSK "She'll be right, Mate"

    • @picnic66
      @picnic66 3 роки тому +1

      "From Crikey to Struth: Australia's Collins SSK"

  • @GM-fh5jp
    @GM-fh5jp 3 роки тому

    Nicely done video and interesting commentary.
    Well done mate, regards from AUS :)

  • @richardharden
    @richardharden 3 роки тому +3

    Man you have no idea how badly I want a pod cast with C.W. Leimone and yourself where I get to listen to y'all just talk about military tech

  • @dickchese862
    @dickchese862 3 роки тому +1

    We did war games against her in 2007, she was a hard boat to fight. Officer mindset is different too, they violated war game rules many times and we just got told " war isn't fair. " But the crew was great and surprisingly a lot where from Ireland. Worst part was we were supposed to have 10 days in Perth and Navy decided 18 hours liberty then war games because you know Navy.

  • @SicDrykEst
    @SicDrykEst 3 роки тому +7

    Those wacky submarine requirements is what happens when you have no domestic nuclear industry and are thousands of miles from anywhere you might want to patrol

  • @grenade8134
    @grenade8134 3 роки тому +10

    You should do some sub briefs on the Swedish AIP subs(Gotland class and previous classes)

  • @peterides9568
    @peterides9568 3 роки тому +3

    Took my kids to see the hull of Otway in Holbrook this week... very weird to see a submarine in a park, so far from the coast.

  • @squeek5810
    @squeek5810 3 роки тому

    Regards and respect to you from Australia, mate.

  • @b.elzebub9252
    @b.elzebub9252 3 роки тому +5

    3:55 Tiny little thing; 'Signaal' (pronounced 'Sin-y'all) is actually a Dutch company. Most well known for developing the 'goalkeeper' CWIS.

    • @blegi1245
      @blegi1245 3 роки тому +2

      Also now known as Thales Nederland.

  • @passivehouseaustralia4406
    @passivehouseaustralia4406 3 роки тому

    Worth noting that after the collins sunk a few 688's the Americans asked to do a "officer swap" program.... an American served on an Australian Sub and an Australian Served on a US Sub. The Americans are no fools and were very interested in how we ( Im an Aussie) were getting these results. We of course were happy to oblige !!! Worth noting that the range requirement for Collins comes from the fact we cannot Support our subs in contested waters ie everything that floats wont given our Naval capabilities.

  • @chrishewitt1165
    @chrishewitt1165 3 роки тому

    I was the staff officer escape and rescue in Canberra for 18 months in the early 90s.
    It was an ambitious project hoping to establish a ship building industry even though car manufacturing and others were only surviving on government subsidies.
    Unfortunately the submarine was under development at the same time the Australian subsafe program was being developed. The subsafe program was created to avoid Australian industry causing a Thresher like accident.
    Because the program was not running before the development of the submarine we were playing catchup throughout.
    For some bizarre reason it was never modelled to test for flow noise. That's why modifications were required throughout the later builds.
    70 days in a diesel boat is not unusual.
    All boats were finally operational at massive overcost in approx 2015.
    The contract envisaged technology advances based on what was happening at the time. The requirement was scify and by launching time not possible.
    Many things were happening during the project stage. Development of a rescue system was achieved and currently exists and deployable by aircraft and ships of availability.
    Some of the rescue initiatives were fantastic.
    This boat was a strawman and never the one the navy wanted. It was a political choice (again).
    Initially it was such an embarrassment to those in the squadron some of us called it the citrus class.

  • @thethirdman225
    @thethirdman225 3 роки тому

    The Tomahawk idea was that they would be fired from the sail. Nobody was particularly keen on the idea.

  • @mickeydee3595
    @mickeydee3595 3 роки тому

    Awesome video mate!
    Glad to see you have Australia covered, now as a Australian/Portuguese it would be awesome to see a video on the Portuguese Tridente-class submarines :)

    • @SubBrief
      @SubBrief  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the idea!

    • @mickeydee3595
      @mickeydee3595 3 роки тому

      @@SubBrief :)
      From memory(dont qoute me, im not 100% sure) it caused alot of problems within the EU nations as we (portugal) were in so much debt but we were getting submarines.

  • @samueltass8157
    @samueltass8157 2 роки тому

    Imagine what the Aussies will accomplish with AUKUS🇺🇸🇬🇧🇦🇺❤️

  • @taraswertelecki3786
    @taraswertelecki3786 3 роки тому +39

    This category of submarine sounds like the epitome of "Anatomy of a Failure."

    • @soonerfrac4611
      @soonerfrac4611 3 роки тому +2

      “But they got a schedule to keep, we gotta keep it!”
      Uhhh, we’re they built by the Soviets?

    • @macabreaztreonam
      @macabreaztreonam 3 роки тому +4

      At the moment the availability for 2 boats for operation is well above 90% are their capability is unmatched. Genuinely really reliable and capable now.

    • @taraswertelecki3786
      @taraswertelecki3786 3 роки тому +5

      @@macabreaztreonam They should be, because the Australians persevered until they got it right, as the Russians had done with their submarines. I hope they are thinking about a even more capable submarine to carry on after the Collins are retired, or redeployed to other duties such as training.

    • @infeedel7706
      @infeedel7706 3 роки тому +8

      Ask your Flagship from RIMPAC how embarrassed they were to be "sunk" by a Collins class?

    • @artistjoh
      @artistjoh 3 роки тому +1

      The learning by breaking things approach is exactly how Space-X builds new rockets. Critics get lots to point at while the mistakes are happening, but the builders learn more from the failures than they do by playing it safe. Seems like they could have taken twice as long but not make a mistake, or they can keep to schedule and go through a difficult learning process. It should also be noted that a lot of these deficiencies were due to poor design by the Swedes. They were over promising, but didn’t have the experience to deliver a great working design.

  • @AM-ni3sz
    @AM-ni3sz 3 роки тому

    I studied the contract management of the program as part of my Master's. One of our project manager lectures worked on the contract. He shared the same story you did on the computer system. It was a case study on how not to implement a long-term, state of the art project. Having said this, i have 2 old school freinds that worked o them at Garden Island and one friend who served on them. The end product proved to be a very capable sub. Unfortunately for the Australian tax payer, we went the long way around..

    • @GM-fh5jp
      @GM-fh5jp 3 роки тому

      @Billy 2020 Strange, I got the opposite impression. He was very complimentary about Aussie sailors and our subs.
      He also mentioned Australia's war game successes. Did you even watch the video?

  • @transkryption
    @transkryption 3 роки тому +8

    I feel like this was very positive given the issues with the Collins class.

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 3 роки тому

      It's a good submarine now. Has been for some time.

    • @transkryption
      @transkryption 3 роки тому

      @@thethirdman225 yeah sure... I'm sure that's why Australia bought them... But there were several years of ironing out bugs... Do we really want gaps in defence capability?
      I mean the French platform was simply back to the future, purchasing an untested platform... Good on Australia for stepping away from that.

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 3 роки тому

      @@transkryption Well, that’s always the problem when you build your own. It can even be a problem when you buy “off the shelf”. It’s all about developing the thing. The Collins is one of the most advanced diesel electric boats in the world. Only the Soryu is likely be much better and that’s next gen with Li batteries.
      *EDIT Don’t forget also that technology transfer was a major aim of that program. You don’t learn much if it is completely successful right off the bat.

  • @liddz434
    @liddz434 3 роки тому +2

    The poor old Collins classed is considered one of our worst ever military procurements and a blue print of what not to do...kudos to those onboard who managed to do so much with what they were given...
    Ps new subscriber here, great video

  • @steeltrap3800
    @steeltrap3800 3 роки тому +1

    The "misconception" that a diesel electric boat has its diesels turn the screw/s is, to be fair, easily explained.
    Those who know of diesel boats v nukes would know of diesels largely from WW2. The most famous subs are of course the U-boats in the Atlantic.
    They had a system where their diesels (2) DID drive the shaft directly via reduction gears. The electric motors were dual role, either providing power to turn the screws OR to act as a generator to 'fill' the batteries.Through a clutch system the diesel therefore could turn the screw OR turn the electric motor in its generator role.
    I can't remember if it was possible for the diesel to turn the screw AND run the electric motor as generator at the same time.
    The most efficient rate of charging batteries for given RPM of the diesel would be achieved without turning the screw, which is why the game Silent Hunter III shows the boat 'trailing' a screw when the batteries are being recharged.
    This arrangement largely had a diesel and electric motor/generator dedicated to one screw. Can't remember what crossover ability there may have been, if any.
    The USN fleet boats used indirect drive, the system you are rightly of course calling the standard today.
    Their diesels (4) could NOT turn the screws directly as all turning of the screws was via the electric motors, thus the diesels drove generators.
    Point is it was NOT the 'standard' of WW2 as there were several different arrangements plus varying amounts of electric motors etc. The famous Type XXI, for example, had an entirely different 'silent' electric motor for operating submerged at speeds up to 5 knots (from memory; I haven't double checked) v different motors for higher submerged speeds. The Brits did things a bit differently including some rather high speed underwater performance late in the war using something like 4 electric motors, and I'm not sure of the Japanese layout.
    The advantage of the 'indirect' system is flexibility and greater redundancy in case of damage. The disadvantage compared with the German system was greater complexity and, crucially, space and raw materials especially copper, something that was a chronic problem for the Germans.
    The German system was simple shifting from diesel to electric power on a dive as all they did was disengage the clutch of the diesel and shut it off while powering up the electric motor. They could do this very quickly (I've read perhaps within 15 seconds) which further assisted with their rapid dive time as they didn't really lose propulsion for any significant period.
    Both the German and USN systems proved very effective for their subs' different strategic and tactical realities, which ultimately is what counts.
    I'm sure you know all this, just thought I'd comment for anyone watching who may not be aware of the different arrangements of propulsion used in diesel boats of WW2.
    Cheers

    • @johanmetreus1268
      @johanmetreus1268 2 роки тому

      Should be noted that almost all diesel locomotives uses the indirect drive as well.

  • @drinksnapple8997
    @drinksnapple8997 3 роки тому +1

    SIGNAAL is a Dutch combat-systems company. We have a lot of their gear on USN warships.

  • @nimaxwerker
    @nimaxwerker 3 роки тому

    Signaal is a Dutch electronica firm, known the world over for their goalkeeper CIWS. Now Dutch Thales.

  • @CardSharkOfficial
    @CardSharkOfficial 3 роки тому +6

    How about a sub brief someday about non-acoustic sensors? What is mounted on Trafalgar sub, and the Akula and Yassen class

  • @sarcasmo57
    @sarcasmo57 3 роки тому

    It was a nice video. Thank you

  • @Stew5B
    @Stew5B 3 роки тому +1

    That's not a submarine... THIS is a submarine!

  • @masondegaulle5731
    @masondegaulle5731 Рік тому

    Would love an update review, the Collins Class is going through some pretty significant upgrades currently.

  • @bossdog1480
    @bossdog1480 3 роки тому +1

    I've said this before. The ferocity and lethality of the Australian wildlife is greatly overstated.
    On any given day you shouldn't have to deal with more than two of them.😁

    • @NorthForkFisherman
      @NorthForkFisherman 3 роки тому

      But then there's the godsdamned plant life. Gympie-gympie is a scary goddam thing.

  • @thethailandexperience9278
    @thethailandexperience9278 3 роки тому

    Love it you say, 'Aussies are Bad Ass'. Got it right there bud. Don't mess with an Aussie...

  • @TheDesertraptor
    @TheDesertraptor 3 роки тому

    That first bow required a lot of rework. Welds were not up to standard

  • @MrSmokeyroo
    @MrSmokeyroo 3 роки тому

    Collins best in the world . Very quiet has got the bead on American carriers and nuclear submarines in many war exercises . Every ship always has teething problems .but now Collins number one .

  • @RedTSquared
    @RedTSquared 3 роки тому +10

    Love hearing about our Aussie Friends! They scare the bejeepers outta me!! Crazy buggers!

    • @squeek5810
      @squeek5810 3 роки тому +1

      Regards and respect to you from Australia, mate.

    • @mcullet2
      @mcullet2 3 роки тому +1

      @RedTSquared ~ We make solid allies ... OK yeah, we are a bit crazy.

  • @amadeokomnenus1414
    @amadeokomnenus1414 3 роки тому +1

    I was on 'skimmers' over in Perth and i was always jealous how much shore time the submariners used to get. They were tied up alongside almost all the time.

  • @TheDesertraptor
    @TheDesertraptor 3 роки тому +2

    I have worked in and around the Collins program for many years. I have always defended the Collins knowing more than the typical couch potato.
    Collins is a very capable submarine.

  • @alexyoung478
    @alexyoung478 3 роки тому

    Great video mate 👍🏻🇦🇺🇺🇸

  • @--Dani
    @--Dani 3 роки тому

    What a disaster, I have DD 872's and have had a shaft leak before, on my boat I couldn't imagine hydra locking one of the diesels or have a "leak" of over 200 gpm or even gallons per hour. Oh and I have the Raytheon big display but no array on top, it's just for looks,lol. These guys would have been dead ducks right away it sounds, lol. Glad to hear they got it together though, great content Jive, pls keep um coming.

  • @HerfingPug
    @HerfingPug 3 роки тому +6

    Our Navy (Army and Airforce), do a pretty good job. Damn shame we can’t say the same about our pollies. History is repeating itself with the new French sub they selected - French nuclear sub, rip the reactor out, replace with, yep, a diesel. Sigh.

    • @45641560456405640563
      @45641560456405640563 3 роки тому

      What were they supposed to do, buy nuclear subs. Yeah, that wouldn't a logistical nightmare at all....

  • @isstuff
    @isstuff Рік тому

    As an Aussie with only what I picked up through general media, I thought the collins class was a total failure. Turns out it was a fixer upper. And now we are getting nuclear powered subs from the US.

  • @TMaxElectronics
    @TMaxElectronics 3 роки тому +1

    I would quite like to hear a summary of submarine tech before and during WW2. Not necessarily about a specific class but just how things were done back in the early days :)

  • @--Dani
    @--Dani 3 роки тому +2

    And I have a JRC not a Raytheon, I was kinda making a joke in my first comment, it's an old tub, but they built them Chris's to last back in the early 70s, it crosses the ditch at a smooth 12 knots, even has a working original autopilot, that does not take into account for wind or drift due to current so really need to keep an eye on the heading and the gps. But she's sturdy, lol. Another thing, I have fuel filters that remove water and particles, they had to just been pumping water into those engines to have that large of proble Really would be interested in how far away a typical sub can detect a small boat like that? What civilian pleasure boat besides a snail boat makes the least noise? Thanks, and great content as always, this one made me chuckle with the issues they originally had, very glad our allies down under got um fixed and sounds like working very very well too.

  • @bugrahansungurtekin9953
    @bugrahansungurtekin9953 3 роки тому

    I'm a fan for life

  • @JP-rv6hg
    @JP-rv6hg 3 роки тому +3

    As an FYI the Collins class has turned out to be one of the most deadly non nuclear powered submarine for the past 15 years… yes rocky start but successful in the end