I like this video format a lot. Very informative and interesting. Love the way you explain every choice and how it was catered to your specific situation.
I would love to see many videos like this! Packing high performance components in such a small case! Great to see such a small case packing this much performance.
I've been using the Velka 3 with their Enhance PSU for the past couple of years, going back and forth from the metro NY area to PAX West, PAX East, and PAX Australia. For PAX East, it sits in a LTT backpack along with all its accessories. When traveling to PAX West and PAX Australia, the system sits in a SKB 2011-7 ATA travel case, along with an Asus XG17, Drop Alt keyboard, Glorious mouse, DualShock 4 controller, and USB hub. I've checked the SKB case with no issues (other than TSA forgetting to reattach my TSA locks more often than not). I've gone from a 5600/PNY 3060 to a 5700X3D/MSI 3060 Ti Aero. The one downside is that the motherboard I/O area can get pretty toasty. I bring a small USB-powered fan and point it at the back of the case to keep things cooler, along with using a USB hub to move anything on a dongle away from the excessive heat. I'm using Louqe's Cobalt PCIe 4.0 riser cable. The dark blue is barely visible from outside the case. The light grey cable is more noticeable than the blue.
AMD's last two generations have been very impressive for sure....esp their x3d development. I was very surprised that the 5800x3d was essentially a seamless entry into last gen. Typically anytime you introduce something that innovative which in it's first gen there will be a lot of issues...but AMD knocked it out of the park. The 7800x3d is even better and I wasn't sure that the jump in performance over the 5800x3d could be that big. Unfortunately, the larger core count variants of x3d don't perform as well, at least in gaming. However, as you pointed out the 7000 series x3d CPUs are insanely efficient when undervolting.
Of course, most of the upper end of the power consumption is really inefficient for pretty much all components. Cooling is overrated when you actually optimize your copmonents.
I made a similar build a couple of years ago, when gpu prices skyrocketed and itx form factor was expensive, paid 950 USD for a 3060. Some of the issues I founds were: -It was super heavy, even it was small -Was hot to the touch while gaming -Fan was super loud, even more than a gaming laptop -Expensive Pros: - it looked so cool in desktop, was easy to setup on a tv or anywhere -Performance was great what I would do different: -If it just for gaming I would stick to a ryzen 5 non X, to keep power consumption down and temps. -Get a 250w or 300w PSU and replace the fan
This couldn’t have come at a a better time. I was looking into building a new pc hopefully really small as I’m preparing to leave for school. Hopefully this will be the inspiration I need even if my wallet shivers in fear.
A few years ago one of my now-roommates was interested in a portable PC for VR. An appropriate external battery setup (Jackery et al) could make this a major beast for actual VR gaming!
That's a cute little bit of kit there! Never underestimate the value of an underclock. I've been happily running my 5700x all core 3.7Ghz @ 0.950v.. I find it remarkable that it typically seems to sip around 35-38W!
Dude, this is almost my exact setup! I dont have ram, storage or the CPU yet. But the 4060ti palit from techinn was too good to pass up as an ITX sized GPU 👌🏼👌🏼
btw there is a new two slot 4070 from zephyr, people have reported issues from capacitors being too close to the screws and causing interference but that is a simple fix
If you want to do this build: - Ryzen 7900 (non X) is a better choice for that cooler - RTX A4000 with the SFF cooler (3060 cooler mod) works incredibly well and better than a 4060ti. _ if you have the money go for the RTX A4000 ada SFF. I'm saying that because I did multiple builds using this case, severe underclocking, I did also cut the side panel to accomodate larger cooling solutions, and the most efficient and best option is definetely the 7900, the 5950X was running slower with the forced undervolt and the 7950X is really not a good fit neither. cheers.
Just a heads up, i have traveled a lot, and if they ever try to make me check a bag, i just say it has my work laptop, battery packs and powertool batteries. They have never given me an issue after that. Granted, i do have said item in the bag.
I often wonder why the 14700 and 14900 processors are not used in builds like this? Both have the same integrated graphics as the K series processors, but with only a 65w tdp. Both can easily be cooled with the same Noctua cooler you used in your build. They can't be overclocked, but with the same integrated graphics, they provide outstanding h.264 editing performance.
Have you considered getting a mini water jet or laser cutter to make custom parts for things like the Velka 3 or even full custom cases for odd mobo size like deep itx etc…
Why under volt versus just stepping down in CPU model? Seems like people choose under volting so that they can say "Here i got an R9 or I9 in this little box even though the undervolt make the CPU perform closer to the 7 or 5 models of these CPU's. At any rate, for what you wanted to do, a 13600K with an A380 would have been primo for your encoding needs. Especially the use of QuickSync and DeepLink technologies. Not to mention very good power consumption and low heat heat WITHOUT undervolting while performing pretty close to what you actually got now.
A proper under-volt hardly affects CPU performance. Not enough to be noticeable outside of benchmarking anyways. Keeping temps lower could even “increase” performance over the long term by avoiding thermal throttling.
I know this is cheaper and more upgradeable (and more fun), but at this little volume and cooling capacity, you would get better performance out of a gaming laptop with a i9 or R9 and a 4090.
I have a similar build in the K39 (AliExpress case that's quite similar). Cooler is the IS-47K, GPU is older so 2070 itx from gigabyte (well used to be that, I sold that and put a 1050ti in for a while, then my cousin stole that so it's actually got an empty GPU chamber rn), and it's got an old mobo+cpu, a 7700k with an undervolt. Works great as an htpc, tho I still want an arc a310 if they're ever actually well priced for HDMI 2.1 and av1 decode PSU I got an FSP flexguru 500w unit and rewired it with a noctua fan, and have had excellent results, never audible above other components
I don't really understand the CPU choice, wouldn't the normal 7950X be better, especially for productivity? I can even imagine the 7900 (non-X) being good enough while not needing a ppt adjustment.
Nice and all, but really, if it is for video editing on the go, a MBP 16 or Mac Studio would have given you the same render times, cost the same, and be more portable.
Well thank god then he didn’t go for the 7800x3D then… FYI he went for 9 7950x3D TDP 175 compared the smaller thermal package of the 7800x3D of 120TDP Secondly “would have been better off with a better option” well.. yeah duh. But care to specify Finally, I’m rocking a 7800x3D in the Velka 3 and with a little underclocking it runs perfectly fine in the 70c’s at load. Yes… with the same NH-L9a cooler. Spoiler every amd chip out of the box is overclocked. Manually under clocking the chip had me see a rise in performance and fps
I've been looking into SFF PCs lately and had also noticed the Velka series. I really liked the 3s size but was very worried it wouldn't be able to support high end CPUs because of cooling limitations. Well, apparently you can indeed run a 7950x in this case but the question that remains is whether i can buy a less powerful CPU, not undervolt it and reach similar performance and similar temps as the undervolted 7950. Maybe someone who's deeper into the entire topic can enlighten me!
Damn this is the most powerful 4L Ive ever seen. Do you think the same build with a 7900 (low consume) and a 4060 solo is a great deal or a 7800x3D undervolt is a better choice?
may I ask why did you choose to go with a portable PC set-up and not with a powerfull laptop, considering the aditional gear you have to bring just to use it (keyboard, monitor, etc..)? great build btw :)
Laptop prices are just insane atm, and most likely dont come with the parts he wanted for his needs. Laptops also dont have the same performance to their desktop counterparts as their gpus are different versions. Plus pc upgradability is always nice and the itx is just smth so nice once u built it
Genuine question; why don't you use something like a Mac studio? Is it the apple ecosystem and lack of being able to customize it or mainly just preference?
But have you tried the non-K Intel i9/i7 variants (non-F variants, with an iGPU for QuickSync) with a base TDP of 65W? I'm curious in how it performs in a case like this, and if the max 37mm cooler is capable enough of cooling it without overclocking.
I own that Palit 4060 in my SFF build, That thing sucks, and is by far the noisiest part of the build. Go for the Zotac 4060 every day of the week. It’s the best in class
Damn it I got up to make a tomato sandwich and Miss what I really wanted to see which was what temperature of the CPU and GPU was running in that little monster
Just curious, and I’m sure the video was a big factor in this, why would you do something like this over just using a MacBook Pro? For video editing it can’t be far enough off in performance to justify carrying a desktop haha
A BitWit build off for charity using teams of viewers would be amazing! Give them a modest budget, expectations/goals, and aesthetics. Throw in some knowledge questions to give some teams an advantage/disadvantage.
I like this video format a lot. Very informative and interesting. Love the way you explain every choice and how it was catered to your specific situation.
well amd has the asrock 6600xt ITX.. love when techtubers cant even google...
I would love to see many videos like this! Packing high performance components in such a small case!
Great to see such a small case packing this much performance.
I just ordered a velka 3 last week, I'm even more excited now
no place for a case fan in the velka 3
I've been using the Velka 3 with their Enhance PSU for the past couple of years, going back and forth from the metro NY area to PAX West, PAX East, and PAX Australia. For PAX East, it sits in a LTT backpack along with all its accessories. When traveling to PAX West and PAX Australia, the system sits in a SKB 2011-7 ATA travel case, along with an Asus XG17, Drop Alt keyboard, Glorious mouse, DualShock 4 controller, and USB hub. I've checked the SKB case with no issues (other than TSA forgetting to reattach my TSA locks more often than not). I've gone from a 5600/PNY 3060 to a 5700X3D/MSI 3060 Ti Aero.
The one downside is that the motherboard I/O area can get pretty toasty. I bring a small USB-powered fan and point it at the back of the case to keep things cooler, along with using a USB hub to move anything on a dongle away from the excessive heat.
I'm using Louqe's Cobalt PCIe 4.0 riser cable. The dark blue is barely visible from outside the case. The light grey cable is more noticeable than the blue.
no place for a case fan in the velka 3
Dude glad you are posting more frequently man ...
This PC is badass. It's also amazing how well a Ryzen 9 can run with such limited cooling.
AMD's last two generations have been very impressive for sure....esp their x3d development. I was very surprised that the 5800x3d was essentially a seamless entry into last gen. Typically anytime you introduce something that innovative which in it's first gen there will be a lot of issues...but AMD knocked it out of the park. The 7800x3d is even better and I wasn't sure that the jump in performance over the 5800x3d could be that big. Unfortunately, the larger core count variants of x3d don't perform as well, at least in gaming. However, as you pointed out the 7000 series x3d CPUs are insanely efficient when undervolting.
Of course, most of the upper end of the power consumption is really inefficient for pretty much all components. Cooling is overrated when you actually optimize your copmonents.
so frickin nice seeing you again you will always be my favorite techtuber
I made a similar build a couple of years ago, when gpu prices skyrocketed and itx form factor was expensive, paid 950 USD for a 3060. Some of the issues I founds were:
-It was super heavy, even it was small
-Was hot to the touch while gaming
-Fan was super loud, even more than a gaming laptop
-Expensive
Pros:
- it looked so cool in desktop, was easy to setup on a tv or anywhere
-Performance was great
what I would do different:
-If it just for gaming I would stick to a ryzen 5 non X, to keep power consumption down and temps.
-Get a 250w or 300w PSU and replace the fan
how heavy?
yay Glad to see ya!! Miss ya!
Great build gotta love the velka case
As always another great video, helpful as always!
Great stuff Kyle!
They have 8TB nvme drives???!!
They have 24TB NVME drives. Expensive as can be, large and they run hot, but the drives do exist.
Sabrent has had them out for several months,hella expensive but pretty damn good
@@Dragon151415 years, I believe 😂
What did that cost?!
Yeah for years at this point.
"...but in this case, it's the hero I need." Nice double entendre.
This couldn’t have come at a a better time. I was looking into building a new pc hopefully really small as I’m preparing to leave for school. Hopefully this will be the inspiration I need even if my wallet shivers in fear.
A few years ago one of my now-roommates was interested in a portable PC for VR. An appropriate external battery setup (Jackery et al) could make this a major beast for actual VR gaming!
That's a cute little bit of kit there! Never underestimate the value of an underclock. I've been happily running my 5700x all core 3.7Ghz @ 0.950v.. I find it remarkable that it typically seems to sip around 35-38W!
I just appreciate you showing me how to properly undervolt in the new ASUS software. I know how to do it in my old 2011 Gigabyte motherboard.
I was looking at review videos on a mini pc that I am considering buying and then this video pops up and now I'm stuck, thanks Kyle
Dear PNY, sponsor this man for an ADA A4000 "SFF/LP" with 20GB of Vram I wonder how it would stack up against the 4060 ti.
Pretty sure it's worse... Craft Computing showed it was on par with a 4060 even with the 8 GB
You can mod it with a 6pin plug and it actually does pull more than 75w if you do that. I’ve been looking into one for my home lab.
@@usr01 idk if I would shunt an A4000 LP... Maybe a second hand A2000...
It has been tested it hits about 4070 levels, with a shunt mod and a soldered on 6 pin power port
@@emilypeters8888 Someone has been watching NFC
I bought the other small form factor case from a couple of videos ago and that one has been working out really well for me
Looks like a super solid workhorse! Hopefully the stuff you get to cover at computech will make this thing worthwhile!
"Workhorse". Nice one.
Built it this case a couple months ago and it was super fun to plan and build. Would most definitely do it again.
I love small form factor. I built one of these back back...............back in the day that was also a fanless design. Highly recommend!!!
The velka series of cases are great. I have a velka 7 and I love that case.
excited for your computex coverage!
hopefuly its better than his ces coverage
@@GhostReaper2043did you cover anything at ces or you just a whiner
Dude, this is almost my exact setup!
I dont have ram, storage or the CPU yet. But the 4060ti palit from techinn was too good to pass up as an ITX sized GPU 👌🏼👌🏼
@Bitwit I love it when you make PC's for people, I am sure Kyle will love his new PC.
Damn that's some fast tiny workstation, i hope it won't caught fire
Why would it catch fire?
@@RacingPotato12 form factor? But i watched the whole video so my comment doesn't makes sense
You are awesome Bit thank you for all the knowledge brother.
btw there is a new two slot 4070 from zephyr, people have reported issues from capacitors being too close to the screws and causing interference but that is a simple fix
For small games and emulators, this looks like a solid build
Great SFF build. And I love the Asmongold and Star Wars (ep 4) inserts at 9:53. LOL
I made a build just like this. Though my budget was 300 not 3000😢 it has an i5 7400 and GTX 1050 ti which has no problems running esports titles
u got me bricked up here
Yo 💀
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@@ruskibruski brick brothers
If you want to do this build:
- Ryzen 7900 (non X) is a better choice for that cooler
- RTX A4000 with the SFF cooler (3060 cooler mod) works incredibly well and better than a 4060ti.
_ if you have the money go for the RTX A4000 ada SFF.
I'm saying that because I did multiple builds using this case, severe underclocking, I did also cut the side panel to accomodate larger cooling solutions, and the most efficient and best option is definetely the 7900, the 5950X was running slower with the forced undervolt and the 7950X is really not a good fit neither.
cheers.
Nice to see an UA-cam PC influencer who builds a PC with more than just a 1TB SSD, plus it's a small form factor one.
Just a heads up, i have traveled a lot, and if they ever try to make me check a bag, i just say it has my work laptop, battery packs and powertool batteries. They have never given me an issue after that. Granted, i do have said item in the bag.
SFF is going crazy 😮 and I like it.
"But the fact that it can game this well, gets me kinda bricked up" hahahaha
I often wonder why the 14700 and 14900 processors are not used in builds like this? Both have the same integrated graphics as the K series processors, but with only a 65w tdp. Both can easily be cooled with the same Noctua cooler you used in your build. They can't be overclocked, but with the same integrated graphics, they provide outstanding h.264 editing performance.
Excellent video and quite impressive build and results! Hope it serves you well and looking forward your Computex coverage.
Fantastic video thanks! As someone with minimal knowledge, is it easy to build on its own once I get all parts?
As a laptop gamer, I can confirm you 89 C is very chill
Have you considered getting a mini water jet or laser cutter to make custom parts for things like the Velka 3 or even full custom cases for odd mobo size like deep itx etc…
Him: "let me pull out my gaming desktop real quick"
Someone else: "You mean your laptop right?"
Him *smiles*
Someone else: "Your Laptop, right?"
I was gonna do a build like this with a 12 core CPU and the Velka 3 will be perfect
That 96 gigs really helped carry the system despite lower clock speeds and undervolting.
1:40 what backpack is that Kyle? looks rugged/awesome, would love to buy the exact model
Looks like a Sewell MOS pack V4
Why under volt versus just stepping down in CPU model? Seems like people choose under volting so that they can say "Here i got an R9 or I9 in this little box even though the undervolt make the CPU perform closer to the 7 or 5 models of these CPU's. At any rate, for what you wanted to do, a 13600K with an A380 would have been primo for your encoding needs. Especially the use of QuickSync and DeepLink technologies. Not to mention very good power consumption and low heat heat WITHOUT undervolting while performing pretty close to what you actually got now.
A proper under-volt hardly affects CPU performance. Not enough to be noticeable outside of benchmarking anyways.
Keeping temps lower could even “increase” performance over the long term by avoiding thermal throttling.
Velka 3 builds are going to get more epic with 50 series!
Damn bro I really love your presentation. You da man, Kyle! All the love.
I know this is cheaper and more upgradeable (and more fun), but at this little volume and cooling capacity, you would get better performance out of a gaming laptop with a i9 or R9 and a 4090.
03:45 After many years of AMD being the "chips that run super hot" it's nice to see them take a bit of a win on this one, not gonna lie.
Totally unnecessary to have a build this small, and yet it's so cute that it's absolutely indispensable.
I was gonna ask why not go 30 series since some seem to outperform that 4060, but you answered that question :D
Love you Kyle
He’s back boys!
I have a similar build in the K39 (AliExpress case that's quite similar). Cooler is the IS-47K, GPU is older so 2070 itx from gigabyte (well used to be that, I sold that and put a 1050ti in for a while, then my cousin stole that so it's actually got an empty GPU chamber rn), and it's got an old mobo+cpu, a 7700k with an undervolt. Works great as an htpc, tho I still want an arc a310 if they're ever actually well priced for HDMI 2.1 and av1 decode
PSU I got an FSP flexguru 500w unit and rewired it with a noctua fan, and have had excellent results, never audible above other components
The X3D part seems to make NO SENSE here. I mean sure itll do it, but 7900x not a better option ? Okay
absolutly.
May because the X3D is a 120w and the 7900x is 170w
Nice mini case!
I don't really understand the CPU choice, wouldn't the normal 7950X be better, especially for productivity? I can even imagine the 7900 (non-X) being good enough while not needing a ppt adjustment.
It would be about the same. Might as well get the X3D for gaming on the side
They are selling the typographic card on Amazon. It sucks his video didn’t show us which graphic car we can get.
Nice and all, but really, if it is for video editing on the go, a MBP 16 or Mac Studio would have given you the same render times, cost the same, and be more portable.
laughs in ram & storage
That CPU cooler is inadequate for a 7800x3d... Would have been better off with a better option
Well thank god then he didn’t go for the 7800x3D then…
FYI he went for 9 7950x3D TDP 175 compared the smaller thermal package of the 7800x3D of 120TDP
Secondly “would have been better off with a better option” well.. yeah duh. But care to specify
Finally, I’m rocking a 7800x3D in the Velka 3 and with a little underclocking it runs perfectly fine in the 70c’s at load. Yes… with the same NH-L9a cooler.
Spoiler every amd chip out of the box is overclocked. Manually under clocking the chip had me see a rise in performance and fps
Wow its almost computex already and i just recently got a job wow how time flies. :)
Wonder if it would fail at the critical moment like Paul's 7970X CES 2024 $10k System?
I'd be interested in building a rig like that. My only question is what it ended up costing?
I've been looking into SFF PCs lately and had also noticed the Velka series. I really liked the 3s size but was very worried it wouldn't be able to support high end CPUs because of cooling limitations. Well, apparently you can indeed run a 7950x in this case but the question that remains is whether i can buy a less powerful CPU, not undervolt it and reach similar performance and similar temps as the undervolted 7950. Maybe someone who's deeper into the entire topic can enlighten me!
Damn this is the most powerful 4L Ive ever seen. Do you think the same build with a 7900 (low consume) and a 4060 solo is a great deal or a 7800x3D undervolt is a better choice?
I'm all about that PC SFF life, but wouldn't it have been less expensive to just get a M1 Ultra Apple Studio?
Love this. Still waiting for the new roast!
This was one of my plans for a similar situation for my study abroad XD. Also what was your experience like traveling with a PC.
Hey, where is the giveaway link? ;) Actually, that power in such a tiny build is astounding. Sweet build.
Good built, but processor is about 2x overkill compared to video card. Could have got the same performance with Ryzen 5
Really making me consider building an itx PC
may I ask why did you choose to go with a portable PC set-up and not with a powerfull laptop, considering the aditional gear you have to bring just to use it (keyboard, monitor, etc..)?
great build btw :)
Laptop prices are just insane atm, and most likely dont come with the parts he wanted for his needs. Laptops also dont have the same performance to their desktop counterparts as their gpus are different versions. Plus pc upgradability is always nice and the itx is just smth so nice once u built it
If quicksync is way faster could've just used a 14700T or similar cpu from Intel that is meant for lower power envelopes
YOURE DOING WHAT TO A DEAD HORSE?????
Genuine question; why don't you use something like a Mac studio? Is it the apple ecosystem and lack of being able to customize it or mainly just preference?
you should've considered optimum's custom 3,6L case
Can you bring this as cabin luggage with that power brick? Isn’t 90w the limit?
I wonder how a desktop replacement laptop compares
thumbnail looked like a really big fan
Hey there, how long is your riser cable and what brand are you using?
But have you tried the non-K Intel i9/i7 variants (non-F variants, with an iGPU for QuickSync) with a base TDP of 65W?
I'm curious in how it performs in a case like this, and if the max 37mm cooler is capable enough of cooling it without overclocking.
I own that Palit 4060 in my SFF build,
That thing sucks, and is by far the noisiest part of the build. Go for the Zotac 4060 every day of the week. It’s the best in class
Damn it I got up to make a tomato sandwich and Miss what I really wanted to see which was what temperature of the CPU and GPU was running in that little monster
It's so cute!
Hi. Can you drop the link for the riser cable? Thank you.
Awesome looking PC
Talking PC's ... What about the screen you'll be using ? do u take a monitor with ? ...
Just curious, and I’m sure the video was a big factor in this, why would you do something like this over just using a MacBook Pro? For video editing it can’t be far enough off in performance to justify carrying a desktop haha
from one Kyle to another, see you at Computex!
I want to see you do Next gen APU build (no GPU) and use super fast ram.
What about the noise level, please? You got me curious:)
Does the Velka 3 come with a power supply?
It has to option to be ordered with one. Best one you get too. Enhance 7660b.
A BitWit build off for charity using teams of viewers would be amazing! Give them a modest budget, expectations/goals, and aesthetics. Throw in some knowledge questions to give some teams an advantage/disadvantage.
Who won the pc in the last vid Kyle? Just wondering
portable space heater is always nice