FOX Business’ Jeff Flock’s EV road trip just proved this about gas-powered cars
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2024
- Fox Business' Jeff Flock joins 'Mornings with Maria' to break down the highlights and takeaways of his EV road trip. #foxbusiness
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If you want an EV go for it just don’t push it on those that dont.
Wait, so we driving EV cant not enjoy freedom of expression that clearly allow us to do as per the consititution?
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v: freedom of expression and pushing something are two totally different things! Duhhh…
You gotta understand the engineering of the vehicle to make an honest opinion. Don't trust these no iq reporters that have no education on the topic. Tesla is still very ahead in the car/tech market that it sets industry standards, news really hasn't covered this much.
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@@user-jh6vt8vx4v go back to sleep. you have no clue on whats going on.😀😀😀
Let the consumer decide what they want. Not the government.
And that is why Tesla continues to grow year after year with solid numbers, apparently, over 80% who buy a Tesla, would buy another Tesla. The consumer is deciding what to buy. 🎉
@craigfreeman9280 EVs are throw-away vehicles.
The government allow you the choice of the options the government comes up with?
@@craigfreeman9280tesla owners also voted for Joe Biden and lined up like sheep for their jabby jabs.
Quite the reputable source you've got there.... 🤦♂️
@@NBC_NCOwho cares? All vehicles are throw away vehicles. No one plans to buy one car that will last forever. Why are you people so dogmatic about how superior the ICE is vs the EV. It like arguing over which color is best, you will never convince someone who doesn’t care.
EV get worse miles on the highway. Plus cold weather drains the battery more
Yep. They are useless where I live. Regular batteries have a hard time. Brandon's chy-nuh battery cars only get towed around here.
Battery replacement isn’t a problem with me. My 2014 Chevy with (oh, no) lead acid and plans for at least five more years as we settle into retirement.
@@ChrisL-oz4lp 🤣🤣🤣 Yup, and the Tooth Fairy exists....
@@kx8960 He doesn't have any teeth. Haha
@@kx8960 MPGe.
Remember, Trump said the perfect 2nd car for an EV was a tow truck.....
🤣
Again, Trump is right!! Haha.
Oh, man! That is terrific. I'd love to hear what Senator Kennedy of Louisiana has to say about EVs!
“Remember your overlord said…”
Of course, he said windmills cause cancer, too, but here we are.
EvS are lying about the ev range
No, they are not. The range is an official government testing standard applied to all EV manufacturers for consistency to protect the consumer. The car will do that number of miles when tested according to that standard.
@@jamesspencer641 _... The range is an official government testing standard ..._
In other words, lies.
@@josephgaviota It is a standard measurement which only count the constants, does not take into account the external variables depending on the road you driving on, and elements.
@@jamesspencer641official government? You're kidding...right?
@@northdakotaham1752 You're obviously not the brightest bulb on the tree bro if you can't figure it out. Can't fix stupid.
This is about money and control... Nothing more!
By big oil.
No way in hell would i put up with this.
go live in GAZA then.
@markplott4820 shut up you bigot
Would you put up with a bit of extra charging time on a long trip that you only take once a year or less if you could have a car that: Only cost 1/3 the price of gasoline to fuel, never needed an oil change, never needed new brake pads, could accelerate faster than any car on the road, could drive itself, was the safest car ever tested by the NHTSA, and cost the same as a similar classed vehicle? You might bro, you might. That is probably why the Tesla Model Y was the best selling car model in the world in 2023. Not EV cars, all cars.
@@markplott4820 Or he could just stay here, keep driving gasoline vehicles, and not put up with the hassle of Electric vehicle problems... 🤷♂️
Not saving the planet...that battery is horrible for the planet
Pretty sure that was this thing called SARCASM
@@scoutsaresilentdeath8775 No, that was NOT sarcasm, do a little TRUTHFUL research. The battery's are horrible for the planet, do some research on how the cobalt is mined, and WHO does the mining. Check out how much a new battery will cost you when it goes out, and it WILL go out. EV cars are a BAD decision.
Less then 20 % of recycles battery components are used again and that's on the high side
Lol NO . Batteries are METAL , metals get recycled , OIL cannot .
Worse....
I think it’s funny that they all chuckled when he said, Helps save the planet.
That is because it is funny, not a realistic claim at all.
Global warming is a hoax
Even they know they are full of shtt
@@Tinbender-zr4jdThat’s the Truth!
@@Tinbender-zr4jdThat’s the Truth!
This certainly demonstrates why many won't find EV's enjoyable on road trips.
I took a 4000 mile road trip last summer through Colorado, Wyoming, North and South Dakota and back to NM. I'd still be out there somewhere if I'd been driving one of those.
Local newspaper had an article a little while back about a guy who's ev ran out of power in the middle of nowhere wyoming. Because the computer didn't take into account the constant winds we face.
Do you know what's stupid about that? I took a trip from Los Angeles, to Ohio, to New York, down to Florida, back to Nashville, through Colorado, and back to Los Angeles last year… In a Tesla. It was fine
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@@aigtrader2984 As long as you stay on the Interstates, it's probably possible. Good luck finding a charger in rural Montana or North Dakota, though.
@@jaredkelly930 Do ICE vehicles provide this information? Whatever you drive you need to know how much mileage you will lose driving into a headwind.
Just keep in mind "who has control of the electricity ?"
Russian hackers?
if a storm hits and there is a power outage for a week. your electric car goes no where LOL LOPL LOL LOL@@transparentglazier
Better hope the DoorDash driver has an ICE car@@melvonnar1
Who has control of the oil? Is more the question. EVs don’t care where the power comes from. Your ICE engine is limited.
@@lindam.1502 EVs lose charge while PARKING in cold weather, talks about wasting electricity.
I would rather take a car with an LS engine.
LS engines COMBUST & explode, thats the Nature of ICE.
i can sell my 2013 ls 3 motor and 6sp with 100k on it for almost 10k a 2013 tesla model s with 100k is only worth 16 grand and thats before you replace the 20k battery
@@sdmc1972show me more than 10 people in the entire world who replaced a "20k battery" and I'll venmo you 20k.
@Kezzers that's a real quote to upgrade a tesla battery with supporting mods for the upgraded battery. Dudes there's literally 10 videos on you tube you can find. Tell me why you can go on car gurus and find so many low mileage tesla for sale.
@sdmc1972 again, read what I said and send me proof.
Never buy an e-car
Your grandkids will. That's all that matters.
Yea 752 miles on a charge is waY to much(prototype battery fitted to a Tesla Model S)
I WILL BUY ELECTRIC CAR FROM HINDUSTAN SOUTH.
“Tesla says that if it’s cold it’s going to be less, if it’s hot it’s going to be less, you just got to deal with it.” So tell me then what type of weather day should I look for before setting out in an EV in order that I can get the max range of the vehicle? And an EV improves my life how given that the power generated to charge the thing requires those dreadful fossil fuels?
I use to hop in the car after work on a Friday evening and drive from Cleveland to Chicago and then back on Sunday with no stops and no overnight stay. Wonder how much charge they used sitting in bumper to bumper traffic at the I80 merge?
if you drive it in California you are more likely to be in the goldilocks zone
EVs are glorified golf carts. They are best used for city traffic. Short commutes. Long wait times.
And, ICE car is the same. You just. So use to visitor the pump and did not count how more often you are visiting the pump during hot and cold day.s
Ummm...wut?@@user-jh6vt8vx4v
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v
He got off easy having a Tesla. If you dont, you have less charging options. Also, a number of those charging stations are offline or charge at a really slow rate.
The experts are predicting EVs will wind up in a massive junk yard. The cost of the battery replacement will exceed the value of vehicle.
EV battery recycling in a global market projected to grow from $11 billion in 2022 to $18 billion by 2028, according to research firm EMR. As more EVs are introduced and age out of the vehicle fleet, that business will grow.
The minerals in those batteries - primarily lithium, cobalt and nickel - are worth on average between 1,000 euros ($1,123) to 2,000 euros per car, BMW (BMWG.DE) sustainability chief Thomas Becker told Reuters.
I'm a mechanic. A 2012 Chevy Volt is due for it battery maintenance this year. The car was $52,000 new in 2011. The battery replacement today is $101,000.
@@wydoesntexist No, it's $29,842.00.
@@ChrisL-oz4lpdo you have money for a $29k repair?
@@ChrisL-oz4lpsounds like a great deal…
These cars are not saving the planet 😂😂 They are a money pit and electricity is needed 😂😂 I swear common sense is gone
OIL ??
And, in an ICE car, you could have done it without the overnight.
That fact alone negates any potential mystery savings for an EV.
False, they didn’t have to stop overnight. They chose to stop.
@@matthewburns7584, All that time that they needed for recharging prevented the straight shot. In an ICE vehicle it would not have been a problem. The point is I have driven over 900 miles in a single day in an ICE car -- dawn to dusk. Try it in an EV.
@@Saratogan Did that. It was fine.
@@cjs1948 , in winter?
EV is a joke.
To you it is. Not to me😅. Saves me money going forward 😂.
@@microtechTeslaY how is it in reverse?
@@mikehutton3187 big time. Ah?
I think the plan is to have people do much less traveling.
Or limit the ability.
@@daviscampbell9020
That's the most likely agenda.
15 minute cities is an easily enforceable rule if cars can only drive for 30 minutes total
Truth
No that's not the case people will still travel a lot UK and Germany tried and they failed it just EV's were over marketed and now people are realizing they are not perfect heck many are going over to hybrids.
That looks like a nightmare.
It’s not that bad. You can go over the estimated charge to continue to the trip. I’ve done multiple trips n I tend to stay a extra 10 mins to get me over 80% so I can keep driving for at least 170-200 miles
It’s no where near as bad as he makes it out to be. The thing is, one has to want the trip to go as smooth as possible, as opposed to wanting it to not go smoothly. He could have stayed at a hotel with chargers, and woke up to a 100% charge for one. And the fake grunting when getting out of the car was comical. A Tesla Model Y is super comfortable.
This outcome was planned. it's Fox
Why don’t you tell the people how long you were having too charge at each stop
He was charging for 3-4 hours in addition to what a normal car would’ve taken.
This is the equivalent of someone finishing a marathon several hours behind the winner.
That's a good question, but the total trip time is probably good enough, like Jeff said. At least 4 hours of charging, between the stations.
😂😂😂😂😂 POS i wouldn't and won't ever buy an electric vehicle!!
How often do you go on road trips?
@@danger2fast759Irrelevant, forcing and unnecessary conversion is the problem.
@@danger2fast759 I stay on the road I'm retired and get out specially living the single life I like enjoying myself and sure not going to have too plug my vehicle up several times a day
@@matttravers5764 I mean, if paying a dollar a day to charge your car to get to work and back and more on a standard outlet, then year it's super irrelevant
@@danger2fast759how many kWh / mi does your EV get to get you to work and back on a dollar, or where do you live that electricity is that cheap?
Can’t believe you rented standard range vehicle instead long range for $5 more per day from rental car company to avoid many stops on your 800 mile journey.
'Journalism' in 2024.🙄
I'm sure it was done on purpose
To test the worst case scenario: turn on all front/rear heated seats, set temp to 80 on highest fan setting with windows rolled down, head light/fog light on during clear day, jack rabbit start/using brake to slow down w/soft regen mode, driving on non-optimal tire pressure with aero cap off.
Try this is February when it's 5 degrees out.
Right, our winter in the Midwest has been mild! Here in Wisconsin it’s nothing to get -40 degrees below 0 in January and February….a EV would be down right dangerous!
Narvik, a town of about 18,000 people, sits 220km inside the Arctic Circle.
Jens Kratholm, a 56-year-old ophthalmologist, owns six Roadsters and a Model S.
Røsnes took the Model S to an ice hotel in Sweden, 200km from Narvik. The temperature dropped to -40 degrees Celsius. It was so cold that the trains couldn’t operate and the diesel in the buses froze. But the Model S was just fine.
@@kylereese4822 It runs in sub zero weather cool. My point is what's the range. That's a very uncommon application. The typical user will use an electric in colder weather where other vehicles work fine.
When you buy an EV you're basically buying a huge battery with a toy car built around it.
Toys are cars with 300 horsepower and above amd loud engine to show your masculinity ! Teslas are just too feminine
More like driving a computer.
@@n9woxEVs are like smartphones. ICE vehicles are like flip phones.
Have you ever driven a Tesla?
Have you ever driven an EV?
Saving planet, where is the electricity come from?
60% of the grid is coming from fossil fuels
I think it is higher than 60%
Solar
Good luck with that . . . @@warrior-xd2xn
Der, from the outlet on the wall silly. Hasn't AOC taught you anything?
@@gardent6641 No, 60% is right. It's also falling by a percentage point or two a year.
See the EIA's _Electric Power Monthly._
How are you "saving the planet"? The materials to build the batteries and when you charge up, it's from coal, most likely, powered power.
This has been debunked many times . Even if you are charging with coal electricity, the EV is still cleaner in the long run. Plus just alleviating the air pollution from big cities saves many lives.
Yes exactly. This all has to do with control. Not saving the planet. Don’t be fooled.
Solar power and wind power.
@@segredosdotiosam9989 Nothing has been "debunked" you just push the pollution off on other people in other countries.
I mean it's clean if you don't count the strip mining for raw materials, the pollution it takes to make entire new factories and infrastructure, and the batteries that only last 10 years.
Not to mention the toxic EV fires that can't be put out and that damage everything around them.
@@marcxiong8332 What percentage of electricity is generated with wind & solar? Much less than you think.
Batteries start degrading after each use, to a point where you less and less range making car worthless
Blatantly Wrong. Takes about 1000 Cycles to see problematic degradation. When each charge is 250 miles, that's 250,000 mile. You fail at math
I like the fact you lost power just sitting over night.
If my gasser has ten gallons when it goes to bed, it will have ten gallons when it wakes up…
Yeah, and those lost miles is actually lost MONEY! Just POOF! Overnight you lost 5 bucks.
he , lost power OVERNIGHT , because he did NOT plug into a L2 Charger while sleeping at the HOTEL.
many HOTEL/Motel have L2 BEV charger now. some are FREE for people staying overnight.
Next morning a petrol car will *only* have as much fuel as it had before, whilst an EV will have a *full* tank(battery) . If they had used EVs before, done any minimal research or had the most basic introduction in to using their car (or perhaps been honest) then they would have used a hotel overnight charger.
@@johnpublicprofile6261
Well, “petrol car”… what happens when you show up to your hotel and all the chargers are taken?
Get up early in the morning in hopes someone pulled out so you can get charged?
I can just swing into the “petrol” station across the street and fill up while I get a coffee and pastry.
Sure, hotels offer those too but five minutes to fill up compared to much, much longer…not to mention an estimated range that is never correct on EV’s I’d say I am still far better off with my gasser…
@@topcat5988 You are allowed to like and prefer your "gassers", 🙂.
I am not trying to convert you, just providing information to the point you made.
I even agree that currently if you do frequent long-distance driving then a non-Tesla EV is not any good as your only car. Depending where you live or where you travel to not even a Tesla long-range may be any good to you - yet.
I wouldn't want to have to plan out where I could charge it back up. So much simpler to stop at a service station.
The tesla navigation plans out when to stop for you. You enter your destination and it will figure out which super chargers to stop at along the way
@@PelosiStockPortfolio wouldn't be for me. I'm not much to stick to a rigid regiment. How much freedom are we willing to lose? I like to take side roads on a whim. See what this country is like instead of just getting from point A to point B.
@@PelosiStockPortfolio I'm not really into my car planning my route for me. Also not into driving miles & miles out of my way just to sit around for an hour while my car refuels. And the electricity rate at super-chargers is ridiculously high - making it cost much more $/mile than gasoline.
But you do you.
@@bills5009 luckily that is all nonsense
@@PelosiStockPortfolio Which part is nonsense?
What kind of mileage with four grown passengers? 😂
EV depreciation is among the highest of of any vehicle on earth
Please show us some hard facts please! All cars depreciate!
@@haroldmichael3492 Model 3 lost over 30% of its value last year. Average car depreciation is 11% a year
A lot of that depreciation is due to cost of Tesla reducing prices on vehicles due to trying to gain market share and manufacturing costs being reduced. I’m sure it’s short term. During the pandemic vehicle prices increased then after pandemic ice vehicles prices dropped also.
e.v. 45% off the lot, i.c.e. 25%
Just saw on news that Ford raised truck prices from $5000-$10000. Depending on model. Average dealer supply is 214 days on lots. Maybe Tesla is not that stupid after all.
Could have just found a charger at a hotel which is very common and free chage overnight. Teslas start at $35k
until you arrive at the hotel and some one is charging to 100%, and you find your the 5th guest in line, some people just don't think, I see it all the time, now some places are no longer offering free charging.
if you have two drivers and an ice car, you don't need a hotel for a 13 hr drive.
Biden: Pro-EVs
Musk: Pro-EVs, anti-Biden
Fox: "Sorry Elon, this one's tough, but we gotta go against Biden."
Elon is correct on both counts since he is also anti trump.
Fox is just plain stupid all around.
It's travel math. Not politics.
@@lawrencefearon6830 Yeah, I agree it should be.
Don't forget who pays for advertising. Oil companies and traditional car makers.
These are good for congested urban areas and around town driving. That's about it
Exactly what they said in the early days of the horseless carriage. Get a horse!
They are good commuter cars.. which most people do… long distance driving is the only real issue in turns of travel time
Just get a golf cart
@@bunnoatnichibei At this point a EV is like a horse compaired to a ICE car. A Ev cant go as far with out rechaging just like having to stop and let the horse rest and eat. An Ev cant go as far in the cold weather as just like a horse. An Ev cant go as far in hot weather just like a horse. An Ev is easly totaled in a accident just like a horse that breaks a leg. An EV is expensive to buy Just like a horse. An Ev produces green house emmisions in a diffrent way just like a horse......LOL
@@bunnoatnichibeithe first horseless carriages were electric. ICE was the major upgrade or should I say advancement?
It’s literally a 10 hour drive and they stopped overnight?
Now that’s a good point.
Right? They should’ve added that expense to the total. The extra 3 1/2 hours in an EV likely forced that decision. They had two drivers. Ten hours is nothing.
Yeah, let's hope your road trip isn't an emergency, (family member passing) when you need to get there fast. Ill pass on the EV's, thanks anyway.
And they didn't charge for free over night and would have been able to charge for free and would have been at full capacity the next morning. with evs every morning you can leave with a "full" charge
@@chillin2d8 Only if a station is free. I love getting out of a nice warm bed after midnight to see if someone has moved their EV so someone else could charge theirs
This whole EV idea is a nutty idea.
I agree 1,000% with you. The more I learn about them the more I don’t like them. EVs don’t work
@@ChrisL-oz4lp look at it holistically, not just one small piece.
@@ChrisL-oz4lp17$ for the “fuel” but 4-8hrs of my time = 200+$ in waste or more depending on who you are and what your time is worth.
If you're just a city driver, sounds like they work ok, IF you can afford to have a charging station put in at home. But the cost of a new battery is definitely a deterrent for most families.
. Did you Tip those little kids in the Congo that dug up the cobalt. Just wondering.
EV hit job.
I own a Model Y and some of the points are not clear. The battery likes to be in the temperature range of ~ 50 to 90 degrees. When the temperature is there, the range is best. Also, driving faster than 70mph reduces your range. If they plugged in the vehicle at the hotel they could have eliminated at least one charging stop.
A full charge and preconditioned from the hotel would have netted them at least 300 miles of range, which would have been a big chunk of their 800 mile trip
Brought to you by Tesla
@@beebbeec280 - The only vehicle which a road trip can be made over long distance that has reliable charging is Tesla. Fox regularly shits on Tesla because they don't advertise on Fox. So how is this brought to you by Tesla?
Their is no way you lost charge going less than 200 miles unless that Tesla had an issue
Aww, a Tesla denier?
@@Nperez1986what do you mean?
Wow, that sucks. You guys were driving through one of the most populated parts of the country on a very short road trip in my opinion.
If Fox had given him the extended range version, there wouldn't have been an issue. But that's the point of "faux."
So I gotta buy an extended range version if I might wanna take a road trip once in a while.? This makes no sense
@@stevep7713 Faux SKEWED it for the report.
@ChrisL-oz4lp
You need some copium 🤣🤣🤣
@@ChrisL-oz4lp
When it comes down to electric cars, whether and temperature makes all the difference and how much range you can drive.
Also the number of passengers which determines the weight that has to be transported. Forget it if you are towing anything.
Also, extended high-speed driving kills range. EV's forte is in-town stop-and-go driving. That gives the regenerative braking system an opportunity to put a little (very little) charge back in the battery.
@@salpalmeri1844 not only do you have to factor in the weight of your passenger/s , but also any luggage you're taking on your trip . Plus if it starts to snow , several inches of wet heavy snow on the car gets heavy very quickly . Yet another thing that the people pushing for EVs don't bother to mention while pitching them .
So does weather have an effect. LoL!!
@@hanko5750 unfortunately yes. And it doesn’t help they don’t have enough charging stations nationwide.
Basically, waiting for two things to happen. A wave of cars needing a new battery and the government to tax the electric charging stations.
Removal of taxpayer dollars that subsidize failure.
I have a 120,000 mile/8 yr battery/drivetrain warranty. And there are lots of 200,000 mile Teslas out there now, still on original battery. And these are the older batteries. Current batteries being made should last 500,000 miles. And several companies like Redwood, LiCycle, and Northvolt are recycling batteries. They're saying that over 95% of the critical minerals can be recycled and the batteries made from these recycled batteries are as good as ones made from minerals recently mined.
The batteries are recyclable
Almost everything is recycle able yet isn’t.
@@kansaskristi Companies like Redwood, LiCycle, and Northvolt are recycling batteries. The number of recycled batteries will grow as more and more EV batteries get old. Northvolt, who makes batteries for VW and Volvo, says 50% of their batteries will be from recycled minerals by 2030.
EVs are great in citywide miles
How is using an EV "saving the planet"? Most electricity is generated via fossil fuels anyway. Plus the issues with battery life/recycling/manufacturing, from what I can tell, EVs do not "polute" less than ICE vehicles. So, to make the claim of "saving the planet" you have to take the whole cradle to grave into consideration, and that doesn't take into consideration that the resources used are from foreign countries, some that we may not want to be giving so much money to. And, how often do you need to, and how much do those batteries cost to, replace? Asking or a friend ;-)
yeah, they had a horror story of a guy who thought he would be an uber driver in a tesla he burned out battery at 100,000 miles in little over a year now he can't drive it has car loan and no car battery has to be replaced for thousands not under warranty.
@@ranger178 Time for that car to get taken w/o permission and never seen again. We had a deep stone quarry filled with water for such occasions. How do I know? Often went scuba diving there
Also consider that the US government is our biggest source of fossil fueled equipment
BEV cost MORE than 1/2 cost of ICE to operate.
you can FULLY charge Overnight on 240v for LESS than $2.50 .
If you charged a car using a coal fired power plant, you would still put less CO2 in the air than a Honda Civic. Secondly, the big issue is that you are assuming that the way things are today is the way they are always going to be. Our grade is getting "cleaner" and cleaner. More and more of it is being powered through wind, solar, Hydro etc. Then you make the argument about how much does it cost to replace batteries… Those calls are coming down, and I would not know because I have not had to replace my battery in over 10 years. You could always come up with a reason not to do something, if you try hard enough.
I could never stop that frequently for that long
cars peaked in the 80s, they didnt weigh too much and the diesels took u everywhere fuel efficient
yes, i got most fuel efficiency ever in a 1986 Nissan Sentra it averaged 40 mpg never got over 30 since on any car i have owned
@@ranger178 I get 80mpg in my A3 E-tron hybrid
in America, the SEDAN is in DECLINE , Meanwhile the BEV SUV is on the RISE.
Tesla model Y is the #1 car sold in the WORLD.
There was a lot less EPA regulations in 80s. Engineers could build cars consumers wanted now they have to build what the EPA wants.
they already peaked and are dropping all the rich people bought them with the rebates and such the average person will never buy an electric vehicle SUV and pickups are being pushed by the epa regulations in America making fuel economy rules based on size of vehicle but their price has killed sales now with economy sucking nobody can afford the crazy prices they want@@markplott4820
They are about as good as a moped!
They at least were in a populated area, try this in Idaho. The battery tech is just not there yet, EVs are OK for commutes, but long haul requires a hybrid.
so does chinda where it's cold
EV is okay for driving around town or to commute. Get a hybrid if you have to travel.
I have been loving my Honda Insight hybrid. I've avg 51.7 miles a gallon for the last 6400 miles with that car (got it this past summer). It's great!
How much for the battery? Where do they eventually wind up?
@@arielsea9087 EV battery recycling in a global market projected to grow from $11 billion in 2022 to $18 billion by 2028, according to research firm EMR. As more EVs are introduced and age out of the vehicle fleet, that business will grow.
The minerals in those batteries - primarily lithium, cobalt and nickel - are worth on average between 1,000 euros ($1,123) to 2,000 euros per car, BMW (BMWG.DE) sustainability chief Thomas Becker told Reuters.
Evs are not the present or the future!
Time is money.
4 hours x $_____per hour = $_______.
Very true! You can spend a few extra minutes charging to save 66% on fueling costs. Thanks for pointing that out!
Those who value time flies in private jet.
That’s 3 1/2 extra hours of your life you’ll never get back.
or its 2 meals that you were gonna eat anyway. or a scenic stop to enjoy and "see" the places youre driving through... perspective matters. stop and smell the roses sometimes. how often do you take a 10 hour road trip?
You get to choose between heat and the radio
I hope I will be still able to drive a gasoline powered Crown Victoria LTD in 20 years.
Couple tips:
1. Don’t use the miles display, switch to percentage. Miles is just battery charge % * EPA range. EPA test avg speed is like 50mph, so actual range on highways is going to be less.
2. Many hotels have chargers, he could have picked one of those and would’ve woken up to a fully charged car. That alone would shave at least 30 mins off the trip.
Overall, not bad for complete beginners knowing nothing. Tesla nav makes it easy - put in the destination and it tells you where to charge and for how long.
How about complete beginners being aware of the pollution from strip mining, the slave labor used to mine the ore, and all the crops and fish killed from this stupid industry?
Complete beginners? Because driving needs to have extensive planned points?
This is a foolish way to look at the evolution of technology.
"complete beginners" - pardon me but I'm assuming that these gentlemen in this video have been driving cars for ... probably more than 30 years at this point. The fact that an electric vehicle requires a specialized, trained skillset in addition to those that are required for normal vehicle operation is a frankly ridiculous proposition for the American consumer to be forced into adopting.
In other words, the product sucks so bad that it has to be forced on us. No thanks.
@@obliviondio no they don’t need to plan extensively. As I said, you just enter destination in the Tesla nav. The only thing they could have done differently to save some time was find a hotel with charger (you can also find these level 2 chargers in the Tesla nav).
then there is the fact that he had to get a hotel in the first place for a 13 hour drive, which could have easily been done in a day with two drivers in an ICE car.
Twenty years ago I drove from San Fran to Washington DC, 3600 miles in a week. It was in an ICE vehicle . . .
I have been a life long Fox News viewer due to my dad watching it every morning and day since I was in elementary school 25 years ago. I'm now in my 30s, and the news you just reported was good on the road trip part yet bad on the talking side of it. Tesla EVs, at least for the model 3 and y(which is what you are driving) are significantly cheaper than you stated at 60+. They are actually 30-50k, competitively priced.
You should have taken someone who has gone on road trips and lived with a Tesla to help your anchor out. Of course, anyone doing something new is going to struggle.
Some information and nuance you left out includes how often do people actually road trip? How much does it costs to charge drive within your home/work area? How can you charge at home? Do you need to upgrade anything at home to charge? I'll tell ya right now, if you're driving 30 miles around trip for work 5 days a week, and you charge from a standard home 120v, your only paying about 1 day a day to drive. There is no need to "fill up" your ev if you are only driving in your area. If you road trip of course you need to use the superchargers and that will be way more expensive than what you are paying for at home. Your anchor lives in a big city it looked like, I reckon most Americans living outside those dense east coast cities would be much happier day to day knowing they only pay 1 dollar to get to work and back everyday vs filling up every week or few days. Of you want people to be self sustaining to make their wallets fatter than an EV is a no brainer (if you are looking to purchase a new 30k car)
It's also the safest car brand in the planet, let's be pro life here
This is coming from a small town country boy (town, not city, I grew up in has a population of less than 2000 people) I currently live in a giant city (1+million valley wide) where all I see are big trucks and wannabe rednecks
If you like EVs that's what you should have. You want to live in a city, good for you. If the so-called rednecks want to drive pickups that's up to them. By the way I guess I would be considered a redneck by you.
Spot on…very good points here.
the only problem is the gazillion people that rent or live in apartment complexes that cant charge at home and dont want to sit in a charging que at sheetz for hours every couple days
False. Its a fking road trip. Shouldn’t have to chart a in detail path through the heart of the Country. Just shows that Ev’s are no where ready.
@@sdmc1972 Where do the gazillion apartment dwellers park their gazillion cars? If they don't have a parking building then the surrounding streets must be over run with their cars.
Meanwhile most tesla owners would have just flown.
Are airplanes EV? so we're back to fossil fuels.
So glad that those that can afford a Tesla, and have the money lying around to fly places most of us may drive are out there. However, a lot of the population can’t afford this, and don’t want to stop every 125 miles, and not for 2 minutes like a ICE, but for a half hour or more. I’m all for this being a choice for who wants then. But people should be totally against the government telling us what to drive, telling us what kind of oven to cook in, etc… They take more and more control, and we have less and less freedom.. The government’s dictates your choices.. This is anti-freedom. Where did all the people go with the “resist “ bumper stickers…. They seem ok with huge government encroachment in the world, as long as it’s their party doing it
@@boldcityccAll the “resist” bumper stickers were on the cars that went into the “Cash for Clunkers” program! Sorry…I could not “resist” 😂
Any new thing that steals time from you, is designed to steal time from you! I've never had to worry about if I used the heater, would I make it home. What a backwards advancement.
This was all literally just operator error.
How so? I am not necessarily doubting you. I just want to understand what he did wrong? The car told him one thing in miles left but the actual destination in miles was different.
@@rodcre8s because he didn’t do anything right, before hand. He literally started the video out by not knowing how to do something as simple as turn the vehicle on. That should tell you even right there.
You would think Fox could check the price of EV’s before a show on EV’s, literally half the price of what they claimed.
You would think you would realize how much worse ev are for the environment and that most people don't want them
@@Onelastbreath1976 1.1 millions sold for 2023 in the US. Majority of the people who talks about "EV bad for environment" doesn't really care about the environment.
Point made that "your mileage may vary" but cold weather is a known hit on mileage. Tesla's now cost a lot less that a couple of years ago, selling close to the average selling price in the US. It would also have been a lot better if you check ahead for a hotel with destination chargers, then you would not wake up with a 15 mile range but a full battery.
problem is that doesn't scale , sure today with very few EV's on the road you might find a hotel with charging but with the grid nowhere close to being able to distribute that much power and deeper proliferation of EV's you wilkl find that hotel doesn't have enough charging stations for you.
They probably turned on the heat too, which used up some of the battery power.
This was so biased. So disingenuous. Such a misrepresentation of EV ownership, down to the grunts, and moaning when he gets out of the car.
@@genxray951 Major hotel chains are signing up with Tesla for destination chargers and one of the most searched items for hotels is availability of destination chargers. Regarding scalability, destination chargers at hotels would normally be used during off peak hours when excess capacity exists.
As a Tesla owner for two years, I don't know where you got your estimated reading and actual miles. I was so sorry that even my favorite talk show host Mark Simone and Sean Hannity claimed RV's tire pollution is 30% more, which must be the result of comparing a Model Y with a Rav4, but not with some models of similar performance
Uhhh, he got his info from real life!
@@colleensmith3374. Then why doesnt my ownership experience mirror their roadtrip experience? 40-50% drop in range? I’ve never seen that. Maybe 10-20% on the coldest winter day, driving well above the speed limit on the highway. Did they not inflate their tires or something? The fact is they had a camera crew with them, everyone is getting paid. They needed to dramatize it somehow. I’m sure they found ways to make the range worse.
You're sure.
The great EV hoax !
Cost of repairs at the dealership is extremely important as well! 3.5 hours added to your drive at your convenience
Still won’t buy one
Love driving an EV, but the non-Tesla charging network is pretty few and far between.
I'm confused, I've done that exact trip by myself a few times. There are still 24 hrs in a day, so how does a 13-16 hr drive with 2 people require an overnight stay in a hotel? That makes a 2-day trip.
for me 400 miles max per day, simply for safety.
I honestly cannot believe the BS fix pushes about EVs. Totally not true. I own a 2022 Tesla Model Y. I have nearly 40,000 miles. I am a retired attorney and now I own a farm in Southwest Virginia. I have owned four BMWs and nothing matches my Model Y as far as comfort, reliability and safety. It’s extremely spacious and I drive it about 40 miles to the Farmer’s market every Saturday with all my stuff in it. I have taken about four trips to Miami, 850 miles each way and another 5 trips to Chicago, about 670 miles each way. I start out with a full charge and usually will stop 4 times to charge going to Miami. That takes about an extra hour to hour and 15 minutes and usually runs me about $60 total each way for charging to Miami. Less to Chicago. I could probably do it in less stops but I don’t like running below 20% charge. Maintenance is simply filling your window washer reservoir. No oil changes and brakes last a long time because you barely ever need to use the brakes. When you let off the accelerator the car simple slows down and it actually charges as it slowing. Also, you really need to check on where batteries are made. Not in China and cars made in China are not brought to the US. Tesla’s new batteries use lithium, iron and phosphate no cobalt and everything can be recycled into new batteries. Batteries have a 120,000 mike warranty but will last longer if you follow correct charging methods. I have never had any problems finding a charging station they are everywhere even out in the country I have four all within 25 miles and my own at home. Usually it takes me about 20 minutes to charge sufficiently to continue my long trips, enough time for food and toilet breaks and there are always nice facilities and restaurants by the Superchargers. Only once have I waited a long time to complete my charge, about 45 minutes and that was a couple of weeks ago heading down to Miami for the holidays. The traffic on 95 was crazy and the Superchargers were very busy. Teslas are everywhere. Go down to Florida it’s crazy how many you see and even around me if I drive to the grocery store, 11 miles, I will see at least one. So try telling the truth. Credibility is important. Fix has become the CNN of Electric Vehicles. It’s truly pitiful!
One more thing, I have a reservation for a Cybertruck and I am down about two years on the waiting list and I can’t wait to trade my Ram 2500 Cummings on the Cybertruck.
Are you saying that Jeff Flock is a liar?
@@deekay2 I think he is telling us a whopper. 40k miles in one year? His long trips only account for 12.5k, that's a lot of trips to the farmer's market
@@deekay2 well I am certainly not a liar and I hear this line of anti EV BS on Fox from most if not all folk. So somebody is definitely lying or let’s say exaggerating. Don’t know why but I am quite sure that Tesla owners know the truth. Can’t speak for other EVs and I would not buy any other but I guess you can take it any way you want to. I will say that there seems to be an agenda and I certainly would love to know why.
4 BMWs? And a Ram? You got more money than sense, enjoy your fancy golf cart.
Thanks for pointing that out to people my cousin has one and she's had nothing but problems she says make sure you have a good toward
Which brand of car does she have?
I’ve done eastern Iowa to Denver and back multiple times. About 800 miles. It added 2 hours to a 12 hour ice trip.
According to my Tesla app .. it will take me 12hrs and 18min from Iowa to Denver…
@@closrod335 eastern Iowa.
Yup, proof that EVen Teslas are not idiot-proof. I just travelled over 1100 miles in a Hertz-rented M3 as a first-time M3 driver. Supercharging and navigation, including range estimates were excellent, and though EVerything else handled by Hertz was incompetent, their renter orientation video would've educated Dan sufficiently in advance. The car is awesome.
Exactly. It was literally just operator error.
Good point. Now explain why the Tesla model Y has become the best selling vehicle in the world.
In what universe, where are the facts? The best selling EV, maybe.
@@orthopraxis235 So what is you r take on how many Model Ys were sold worldwide in 2023?
Towing Diesel generator is your best bet too keep the car moving.😂😂😂
or just charge at one of the 1000s of chargers or even at worst 110v.
Thanks for filling us in on the time it took to charge as a total for the trip. OH WAIT! You didn't. Some people may have wanted to know what that was. Just the usual expectations from reporters I guess.
Actually he did It was just under 17hrs driving AND charging.
@@crankyoldguy7So you’re saying he spent 3 and a half hours charging it.
Correct@@BobBob-eh5sb
Remember the Media Lies...
Like most commercials.
Sad Fact
Basic math and you will have your answer
I hope we all know EVs are realistically in todays world best for short commutes and mid distance travel. Obvious we’re not at the stage yet where road trips are as smooth as they can be. Amuricaaa
And they never will be. Petroleum based fuels have a much higher energy density than batteries ever will. Physics!
@@pakviroti3616 Petrol engine can never be as efficient as a EV one. Physics!
@@ridgeisland Electric motors have a greater torque, but batteries will never have the energy density that petroleum based fuels do. Look it up.
Today it is not as easy as it will be one day. Granted I travelled 40,000 miles in one year in an EV and did long trips with no problem. The infrastructure needs time to build out and the battery tech will improve. My 700-900 mile road trips were no longer in an EV than an ICE vehicle given I charged when I had a restroom break or getting food. And that is going from an ICE vehicle with 600 mile range. You still make stops when traveling that far. I get hungry and need to relieve the bladder when driving 12-17 hours at a clip. A 15 - 20 minute break every 4 hours give or take is not the end of the world.
@@pakviroti3616in most cases they will never need to. Most people drive less than 50 miles per day. If you can start every day with whatever you choose to charge to overnight like your cell phone, you should be fine. It is only on the long road trips for most, and when towing for few that they need that extra range, not on a day to day basis. Most people don’t roadtrip everyday. I am on the road for work everyday and drive more than 4x the national average and have no issues with an EV. I will never go back to ICE unless needing to tow. Even that may change in the future as battery tech and EV’s mature.
Used to drive a van from OKC to Laredo Texas, 900 plus miles in one 12 hour drive. That's not saying much though as truckers do it everyday. Drove on into Mexico and the best we could do was about 500 a day until our route took us onto a toll road where back then you could drive 90 to 100mph no problems for hundreds of miles. No way an ev will ever work in Mexico though LOL.
I drove 11 hours straight once....no stops. Ford with horrible seats, extended range tank, 34 mpg.....I made it ok...but very sore, could hardly get out of the vehicle. Should have stopped at 5 hours out.
@northdakotaham1752 oh yeah I know that feeling. When we would leave it would be about 55 degrees but when we got to Laredo one year it was 102 !!!
It was cooler the next day but still hard to get out of the air-conditioning for very long lol.
@@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 Yeah...pretty hard to get along without A/C while on the road. On my trip it was cold when I left and cold when I arrived 11 hours later. So not much difference. Had to drive with the windows open part of the way so I could stay awake. Driving after midnight.
@northdakotaham1752 I accidentally got turned around one time down there and drove half way to Veracruz before I figured out what was going on. A kind bus driver gave me directions and I got on the hiway to Mexico city and drove 100 mph constant for about 80 minutes to straighten that out. Very difficult to drive in Mexico city as 10 million people work at night and the traffic is madness. Got to a hotel at 3am and then up and off again at 7am.
We will never take a long trip in an ev again, never
Maybe Fox should have sent someone with a brain. I have a 2022 Ionic5, I've been on two MAJOR road trips totaling 6,000 miles, and NEVER had issues. The best part was my fuel (charging) bill, $17.30 per 300 miles vs. $50.00 in my gasser.
I hear that, problem is the ICE crowd will never believe you, we’ve saved hundreds from not needing gasoline on trips due to owning a Tesla. 🎉
@@craigfreeman9280 Over 5 years, it's thousands of dollars. That's not including maintenance, which there isn't in an EV.
@@craigfreeman9280 I've saved THOUSANDS by not purchasing one of those overpriced self-immolating electric golf carts...🤣 205k almost totally trouble free miles. Think your $20k-$60 battery pack will do that?🤣
@@kx8960 Try googling "cost to replace a Tesla battery". Clearly you haven't.
@@kx8960wtf you're not very bright
I'll bet his cellphone lasted the entire trip without a recharge.
Why does Fox News delete all comments that validly criticize oil companies?
Electric Cars are Junk.
EVs are a joke, I'll stick with my ICE vehicle.
Depending on your situation EVs are great....for others not so great. If you can charge at home and you're driving 30-60 miles a day no problem. Get an extended-range version if you're making extended trips. EVs today are at the same point as ICE cars were in the 1920s, they will only get better. But People NOT Gov't...need to decide...Buy/Not Buy.
You think am EV can only travel 30-60 miles on a full charge?
@@Richard482 As I said it depends on your situation...miles you drive per day and your access to charging. If you DON'T have the best access to charging and you are putting on 80+ miles a day...even with a 250-mile range. Charging every 72+ hours if you DON'T have the best access to charging is going to get old pretty fast. If you live in an area where winter temps drop below 20-30 degrees it's going to become a bigger problem.
No matter the range in the end it always comes back to the amount of miles you drive per day and your access to charging, because not everyone has easy access to charging in their own garage.
I'm a big fan of EVs...when my Acura TL went into the shop with transmission problems for over a week I rented a Tesla Model 3 from Hertz and had no problems driving/charging it and really liked it. Even though I live in a condo...BUT am lucky enough to live relatively close to a Level 3 Tesla Supercharger and that made all the difference in the world. As I said it all depends on your situation, each person is different.
Just bought an electric car. It has electric windows, steering and a battery.
How can an EV be environment friendly if the power comes off a grid that is not environmentally friendly.
We love our electric car these people don’t know what they are talking about
im sure they dont.....even though its documented hahahah. just hush with your tree hugging nonsense. EV'S SUCK AND ALWAYS WILL FOR TRAVELLING..... i WILL NOT BE FORCED INTO ONE OF THESE DANGEROUS LITTLE TOYS. im sure its fine to get your tofu a few miles down, but if you do anything resembling work, like pulling a trailer, hauling heavy things and so on, they are beyond a joke. they are dangerous. its not gonna happen.....ever.
Question: It's winter did you turn on the heater? Might explain the reduced mileage? Would love to see the performance in the deep south in the middle of summer.
Regards
Ya. Drive in a snow suit and don't forget to scrape the frost from inside the cars windows.
Actually we have had a super mild winter…so the heat would not have been used as much as we normally use heat. Upper Midwest in January deals with constant sub zero temps. Last winter and the winter before we got to -45 degrees BELOW zero. And I’m telling you…your running that heat on high and I wonder how long it takes to charge your vehicle as your heat is on high 🧐
Deep South in the middle of summer would be hotter than hell, range would be probably worse, depends on what draws more current, heater or A/C.
Heater is a FIXED draw of current . even if you are stopped on traffic , your battery is drawn by the heater .
@@Y2Kvids What point are you making?
So basically, you don’t get your moneys worth…at all.
“By Grabthar’s Hammer, what a savings.”
LOL I see what you did there...
So many half truths in this segment from folks that hate EV's. I've been driving my long range Model 3 for two years now and have had zero issues. Also never experienced the range issues they reported to have. Fox loves to push the narrative that Tesla's are expensive when the Model 3 &Y can be purchased today for less than $50k. Have you been on Ford truck lot lately? Most 2023 Ford F150's are more than $60k. Fox still needs some work on being truthful.
They didn't have range issues. They planned it and calculated used miles vs rated miles instead of going by the results in the trip planner.
Better would have been to use the trip planner, since it behaves similarly to the GOM in other EVs.
But television news isn't about accuracy. It never has been.
The technology just isn't there yet. Somebody needs to tell the liberal party.
they have but Libs dont listen.
The technology is still evolving fast.
I know they like to say the cold doesn't affect the batteries but that's not true the cold does affect the batteries and that's why you lost mileage miles
If they had red the manual and charger the vehicle according to Tesla requirements, the trip would have taken over 3 days. The fact that they discharged the battery under 20%, and relied on rapid chargers, damaged the battery long term.
Therefore this was not a factual test of BEV operation and range, it was an extreme test. It did however prove that BEV range is both inaccurate and unreliable.
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Because it was winter, using the heat was reducing their range by 40% to 50%.
Further, they were not taking advantage of brake related charging (regen) because they were using the interstate, which does not support braking regen.
Therefore, FOX news sacrificed the battery in order to make the trip in 17 hours
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If they had not sacrificed battery longevity, the trip would have taken much longer. A 240V charger would have provided about 30 miles of range per hour, making each charge require about 5 hours of time. The math (6 recharges after every 120 miles X 5 hours per charge = 30 hours of charging, plus the 13.5 hours of driving. That is 43.5 hours required to correctly perform an 800 mile trip, according to Tesla charging requirements.
There is nothing practical in driving an EV.
How do you know? Do you have one? My wife saves about $300 per month on "fuel" driving a Tesla Model Y as a realtor. It costs $8-12 to fully charge at home. We also save a boatload on maintenance. The Tesla has a much cargo capacity as the Jeep Grand Cherokee we used to own. We also save a boatload on maintenance and brakes. So where is the lack of practicality?
@@mpow1404 No, you’re right. Car manufacturers and rental companies must be dropping EVs for other reasons. 😂
@@Bazrad68 Which EVs are being dropped? Non-Teslas?
There's a simple reason for that ... they're NOT profitable. Tesla is smoking them all.
Regardless, you just stick with your horse & buggy and your hand-crank landline phone, boomer, while the rest of the world moves on.
Two Ioniq customer had $60000 bills for the Ioniq 5
Written off by an insurance company who clearly is paid to hate EV`s.
no look up insurance stats, they are writing off electric cars for minor damage. They are charging more insurance for these cars too, because they know they will encounter problems such as this. @@kylereese4822
3.5 hrs longer? *Time is the most valuable resource in life so spend it wisely* 👏
1. I don't know what he was doing to the range. The prices he was quoting would be for a Model Y with extended range (320 mile estimate). Even if you used only half of that, you could go 160 miles. Also, they drive them in Norway, pretty sure it's colder there than in Indiana.
2. EV or ICE, you are looking at many hours on the road. News flash, you can fly round trip for $200. Total flight time gate to gate, 2 hours 30 minutes. Fly and stop complaining because you couldn't figure out how the car worked.