Solution to the Fermi Paradox Found! Scientists Hope They're Wrong.
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- Solution to the Fermi Paradox Found! Scientists Hope They're Wrong.
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If we consider our solar system is typical of billions and billions of other similar systems, then where are the extraterrestrials? The universe should be full of intelligent life by now that would create some kind of signal that is easy to detect…yet, we have seen and heard nothing.
There is one possible solution to the unnerving silence of the cosmos, and it could be the most chilling answer to why we’ve heard from no one…because if an alien civilization does exist out there somewhere, they certainly know we are here…and that is something that should scare all of us.
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I'm still hoping we will find evidence of intelligent life on Earth.
Amen
Lol. Especially politicians!
Judging from the history of humans I don't even consider us to be the most intelligent species on the planet. What other species trashes their home and is in constant war with itself?
Based comment dude
LOL. yup, I hear ya.
John Stewart once said “ If life exists outside our planet, the surest sign they are intelligent is that they haven’t contacted us”.
I believe that was also in a Calvin and Hobbes comic.
Yeah intelligent huh ? You just quoted a mf comedian like he was Einstein.
The Macho man Randy savage said something similar; he said if aliens was out there ooh yeah, they would be contacting the macho man!
Yeah. Who'd want anything to do with barbaric, warring, hairless apes?
Captain James T. Kirk, "Beam me up, Scotty; there's no intelligent life, on this planet."
Captain Katherine Janeway, "Nothing to see, here; let's keep going."
When people say that interstellar travel may never be possible, it makes me think that everything was once impossible until it wasn't.
there is pretty big difference between sending something into orbit by burning some hydrogen and breaking laws of universe by travelling faster then light
@@carthagonova4132 a gravity bubble would circumvent this limitation easily.
@@galacticbeat6328 it is easy and obvious in sci fi movies but in reality nobody is even trying to build such things
@@galacticbeat6328 Just make sure the flux capacitors are well adjusted.
the issue is that technology may very well not be able to go that far. Everything has limitations and it's possible technology is limited to what we have now. Everyone gets so caught up on movies and video games and think that technology is limitless but the reality is it's not. Who knows maybe it's possible for technology to reach a point where we can just travel through wormholes to reach other planets but it's also something that could be impossible.
Maybe intelligent life always reaches a point in its development where it transcends time and space to exist in a form that humans can't imagine.
I'm on board this train of thought
or its the exact opposite. technology increases to the point of self destruction.
@@IsaacPiezac exactly what i was thinking, i remember that one
Yeah it’s called death
On that note, check out Childhood's End, by Arthus C Clarke.
Chances of finding intelligent life out there is higher than here on earth.
Not really. I beilieve there is life out there, but the life we are talking about is outside the observalbe universe. Hence we will never find them.
@@phoenixrising4995 They found us, are you joking...We have video, radar evidence of UFO...
@@phoenixrising4995 Aliens that are more advanced and more intelligent than us are actually already with us on Earth.
As proven by your comment.
@@insidiousbeatz48 Your comment might as well disprove it. Hahahaha. ( I was hoping for someone like you)
The most interesting fact for me is that we don’t even know how alien life would think. All of these theories are based around how humans think of things around us, but alien brains could work COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY, making their thoughts/strategies literally IMPOSSIBLE to predict
Exactly! Thank you 🙏🏾
They would have to have logic and math though. If they were illogical their thoughts would be incoherent and random which doesn't fit well with biological critters that came by evolution.
Excellent point.
@@pellestorck3776 Excellent point.
The thing I wonder about is this: All living things have a way of "survival instinct". We know how we survive. We know what "lengths" we'll go through to survive, our methods, etc. So how does survival affect their way of thinking. Is it hostile?
(Loving this topic.)
I think the primary issue is just compatibility in communication. An alien civilization would communicate and exist in a way that would, indeed, be "alien", and we might not recognize them as intelligent
Yep. They could communicate incredibly slowly and live incredibly long…their lifespans could be so long that a single sentence might take an earth year to speak. We could never recognize such a pattern.
there is no incompatibility through communication in the way nasa checks for it. Things like radio waves are universal. Unless a civilization has advanced past the point of using radio waves for a lot of things then we should be able to pick up evidence of them. If you mean things like language then sure compatibility is an issue but we're not checking for that. Also if a civilization is using things like radio waves then yeah we'd be able to know if it was intelligent. Especially if the source of said waves are coming from an hospitable planet.
“Humanity is closer than ever to finding aliens” is like saying humanity is closer than ever to the future.
Yeah, like I get older with each passing day too
So does that mean soon will be the apocalypse
@@Giel69 “Soon” is a relative term, so the answer can be yes or no. Also, you assume apocalypse is guaranteed. An apocalypse never happening is within the set of all possible outcomes.
Turns out you're right. We're even closer to the future now than we were when you wrote that.
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 I am a prophet. For tomorrow we will approach the future ever closer still.
So, when the title says "Solution to the Fermi Paradox Found!" they actually mean, "No change on the Fermi Paradox thing, but thanks for coming by."
Thanks for saving me 10 minutes
Seems to be a theme on this channel
LOL!
Advanced aliens observe the Earth and its inhabitants.
First alien: “Do you think we should make contact with them?”
Second alien: “Are you bleeping kidding, they are still arguing over what shape their own planet is!!!!!”
I couldn't help but laugh at your comment,sadly you could be right though.
Why would they want to land on a planet where all the media does is L I E
saad that flat earthers think the earth is flat wish they can just wake up rn and see how it actually is,
They probably consider us like people visiting a ghetto neighborhood.
The aliens are like "Don't go there, if you leave your ship too long they will steal it and sell it for parts!"
I am an alien .
Our radio signals would dissolve into the background static in about a light year or less. It would take a directed, very strong signal from Earth to be detectable at the nearest stars
the furthest yet detected by radio telescopes have travelled nearly 14 billion miles.
@@marcgalle3529 Miles? Or light years (and it's about 13.7 billion)?
The odds intelligent life developed in any of the star systems near ours is still at best "win the lottery" low. Humans have been transmitting into space for less than a century. In the age of the universe that's a microscopic blip.
@@marcgalle3529I thought it was kilometers🤣
That's what I was thinking also.
I've heard the theory that if an advanced alien civilization exists out there, they have the technology to be undetectable to us. It makes sense to me.
Could be invisibly walking among us right now
and they see WHAT we are, which is pretty much a cancer and are purposely avoiding us.
That’s exactly what he said in this video mo****
You have heard theories and they are wrong.
Well obviously. They would have probably have some sort of instant transmission/vortex to travel. A telescope/eye some sort or height tech vision to see us in real “time”. Put that all together and we still don’t have any idea how to survive light speed let alone travel it. So how would we be able to catch up to there’s beings if they’re untouchable. Basically they would have to be able to slow themselves enough for us to be able to sense, look, or even get a signal from them. If we are alone what makes us special has to be our “soul” as it’s the only thing that can’t be taken from us technically. Only god or devil if u believe in religion. But still only a god “being” would be able to do that. Either that or we’re alone or we are the most advanced civilization existing. Which are both highly unlikely. My guess they just don’t want anything to do with us or are scoping us out and waiting for us to do something that they want/need first.
Nube says,, "but if aliens are so advanced, why don't they just figure out how to communicate with us?"
Reality says, "You're more advanced than a cockroach, have you ever tried explaining yourself to one?"
I talk to my dog though.
I make my intentions very clear and offer them the chance to surrender and be treated with dignity. They often do not accept these terms.
But cockroaches don’t have sentience… can’t a sentient being communicate with another sentient being, no matter how inferior or superior they are? But then again, they may not have a universal translator…
Or one cannot discover aliens because they communicate with each other through entanglement. Entanglement communications cannot be viewed or intercepted
@@HuskerHornet3145 pretty much every living thing has some sort of sentience
It's interesting how the solution that „we're too late“ is just thrown in there, but considering the projected lifespan of the universe and the subsection of it that potentially allows life to exist, it is far more likely we're *too early* instead.
Yes.
*We* might just be the Progenitors.
And that all our scary notions of alien interstellar supremacists would end up being us humans subduing the aliens. XD
that would be the best case scenario
If we survive long enough. KH Scheer once wrote in a SciFi novel, that aliens contact and welcome new species into the galactic community after they made it through the nuclear age without self-destruction... To see if the fledgling species can mature and trust each-other on a global level as one people. Our petty wars over territories, resources, political systems, religious beliefs, and personal power and glory must end, or humanity will be doomed.
We are making too many problems with wars and climate change, etc. for ourselves, that makes the future difficult for mankind to thrive and develop enough on a social and technological level.
Maybe there are even advanced aliens, who may have the tech to make the planet habitable again after we wiped ourselves out and try again to seed earth with "more intelligent" life.
That is a good point. But we may be further ahead on our evolutionary journey if we hadn't wasted 165 million years being dinosaurs.
I have said it before and I will say it again, the Drake equation is woefully incomplete.
My thoughts precisely, upside is everything out there is ours, limitless resources no competitors all we have to do is go get it .
Between dinosaur killing asteroids, Death Rays, Nukes, pandemics, etc. Is it possible that even older Galaxies will be from time-to-time be recycling through their advanced life forms during this mere blip in history when man is around?
My understanding is that between dispersion and absorption by intervening matter, an omnidirectional radio signal disappears about half a light-year out. Apart from deliberate messages like the Arecibo Message in 1974, we are effectively silent to listeners even as close as Alpha Centauri.
Well you're kind of right The furthest out radio single that we've sent is 200 light years. Although most radio singles do dissipate a short range there are some that we have been broadcasted out that have made quite a bit of distance but it's not enough to get all excited about and think that we're going to be noticed. and we haven't seen any signs of life even that close to us
@@cglucas44 what's a radio single? and, if they're single, are they female?
While we may be mostly silent, that does not make us invisible. If a far off alien civilization had sufficiently powerful telescope they could detect the tell-tale signs of life that exist on our planet. Already with the telescopes we have developed with current technology we've begun to be able to determine the atmospheric makeup of some hot gas giant exoplanets that orbit close to their stars - it would not be unimaginable that a more advanced civilization could have refined those techniques and used their superior technology to build a telescope that could determine the atmospheric makeup of a terrestrial planet too. And if they were to do that for the Earth, they would know or at least strongly suspect life exists here.
Here's a thought experiment that I don't see mentioned too often, especially with the dark forest line of thinking. The thing with the Fermi Paradox and other ventures such as SETI is that proponents assume that there are older, more advanced civilizations than us that have surpassed our technology level. What if that's not the case? If we are the most technologically advanced civilization in the galaxy, the galaxy could be teaming with life, we wouldn't know. If they haven't reached the level where they're sending me it transmissions, then our current methods of searching for them would yield false negatives. Radio is only a little above 125 years old. If the next most technologically advanced is only a century behind us, then they've only been transmitting for a decade and it's possible that the signals haven't existed long enough to reach us yet. If we're two centuries ahead, then it puts them at roughly the Napoleonic Era. For all we know, we could be universe's real life version of the sci-fi cliche of an ancient advanced race. Kind of scary to think about.
Spot on! Thanks.
I tend to agree, making the case based on how long there has been life on earth compared to the age of the universe. I believe you can decrease the size to our local neighborhood if FTL drives don't exist - there might be more advanced civilizations in the Milky Way, but by the time we bump into each other, our technologies might be similar.
Consider how many times life on Earth went through a reboot just to produce a species capable of technology. Being more prone to apocalyptic events might might be bad in terms of wiping out life before it develops, or it might be good in creating reboots until a species develops that can develop technology capable of surviving such events (otherwise the dominant species might be a really powerful bug).
Thinking that we're the others' advanced alien civilisation...
We're so not worthy of it.
@@Azerty72200 no one ever is
@@Azerty72200 Pretty sure we are
If we were limited to 1940's era tech and told to find a cell phone signal, we'd have to come to the conclusion that no cell phone signal was present, because we'd have no ability to detect it.
This is one of my favorite points about this subject that people, particularly scientists have a tendency to ignore.
Like aliens aren't going to sit around and wait something like 800 to 4,000 years for a radio signal to be replied to.
I cannot give anyone and definable alternative as to what advanced aliens would use, but if it was me, I'd use methods that bypass what we know as dimensional space, essentially a fancy micro wormhole or quantum entanglement that uses the truely weird (to us humans) properties of quantum mechanics for an object or data unit existing in two areas in space and time at the same time across the gulf of space. Stuff that probably can't be understood entirely by humans, at least upon first glance.
I'm always irritated when scientists say we should listen for their radio waves. It's like asking modern humans to listen out for a cockroach farting in a nin descript apartment in NYC whilst you hold a cone to your ear in New Zealand. An utter waste of time.
Or Laliens have detected the signal and concluded, ohh they have radio now, we had that million years ago, and concluded that anything that our civilization has nothing to offer just by knowing that.
@@MrKrinkelz it's entirely possible ship or more likely a probe could detect our radio signals, send the data back to the aliens and they looked at it like we look at cave paintings; a fascinating example of early intelligence, buy nothing worth interfering or harming that development.
Maybe they know we're here. Maybe they designate our planet protected, much like a nature reserve to keep others from trespassing or to simply lay down a blanket guideline that any interference unless specifically sanction for absolute reasons we're unaware of, is strictly forbidden not just because of the dangers to them, but more likely the danger to us.
We cannot fully assume their intentions. We could theorise that if they've developed a sophisticated level of technology, they have likely encountered their own failings, their own limits, experienced hardship or wars and perhaps they rejected that because it wasn't conducive to their progression. So in reaching a certain level, it can be theorised that maybe they don't see us as all that interesting, or they may see themselves are morally responsible to not contaminate our planet. 🤔
Bro.... what kind of tech do you think k cell phones operate on? Magic? Its all radio waves. I guarantee we had equipment that could detect a cellphone signal back then.
I think it's important to hold into account how impossible it is for us to even exist, everything is perfect for life to exist. We are SENTIENT beings that are able to learn about planets we cannot even see with our own eyes
The probability of human existence by chance alone is indeed vanishingly small. Agreed, we live in a FINE-TUNED UNIVERSE that was DESIGNED for intelligent life.
i personally think intelligent life is much much more rare then we think. There may be intelligent life out there, but because its so incredibly rare we will never be able to communicate because we are either too far or have already died off.
I believe there are alot of intelligent species but they choose not to make contact we are violent and technically still primitive compared to space faring species there is no benefit to making contact on their end
Theres always a chance that there could be long travelling civilizations near us we may find or advanced civilizations whove found us which apperently the pentagon have confessed to some such similar idea, maybe we are alone for thousands of galaxies before tgere is any sort of complex/intelligent life forms for us to speak to and they may not even be advanced in any way they could be fish but drakes equation says its likely that there are what, 32-36 or around 1000-100,000,000 in each galxy???? Dont quote me
When you’re alone in a dark forest, is it wise to call out? That right there is just terrifying to think about.
Meh! When you were younger you used to call that fear of the dark. Trust me there is no boogeyman under your bed. He has been in your bed all along.
Why be afraid of an advanced alien race when humans are creating the very AI that will definitely try to wipe us out.
But if you're alone in the dark forest, why worry about calling out? You're alone, right?
@@trexit5602 because one would be full of curiosity
Dark Forest Corollary, it's stupid for hunters to hunt, it'll draw other hunters and any civilizations interested in "preventing poaching", there's also the risk of all signals being lures to a trap; so, if the dark forest exists, all the more advanced civilizations must be looking around, paranoid, looking for signs of the trap or first aggressors.
In short, being loud/bright is fairly safe in a risk-averse dark forest.
That's why you set it on fire....so it's no longer dark.
"Whether we're alone in the Universe or we arent, both possibilities are equally terrifying".
Why? If we find absolute, incontrovertible proof that the rest of the universe is as empty as politician's promises, why should I care? To kinda quote Doc Holiday, "If I thought there weren't any aliens I just don't think I could bear it." (For the Somewhat Slow: This was sarcasm.)
@@thebiguglyredneck basically the idea is that there's no "wonder" in the universe, no chance to learn from other species like us, no chance to learn of other more better forms technological advancements from other species. It's just us and us alone which for a lack of better words is kinda boring.
...or equally exciting. 1st, Humanity can be the pioneer of interstellar travel, and 2nd, we can see and learn more of other beings.
Being alone is less terrifying. The reasoning of that quote is ridiculous. If we're the only ones, we're only under threat of ourselves; a threat we understand.
@@Si_Mondo I don't think you grasp the thought of how big our universe it is pretty terrifying that we are the only planet with intelligent life or even life in general
Imagine there exists intelligent life forms out there... then they might not have been able to find us just like we can't find them... and they might literally be trying to find life in their 'outer space'
This is what I keep thinking. Why is the assumption that intelligent life 'out there's so much more advanced than earth? What if there is intelligent life in a nearby solar system that simply hasn't discovered radio yet?
@@mcfletch2171 I'm not sure if scientists thought of this yet
@@mcfletch2171 planets in the solar system are unhabitable perhaps in the milky way Galaxy 😅
@@Cr1z_R alien's don't have to sustain the same conditions that we do maybe their built to sustain their planets environment
We are NOT alone....I've seen their technology...it's not technology....they are Gods...there is no Alien civilization..just two Gods and their vessel they travel in...
I think the biggest problem with finding other life is that the speed of light is just too dang slow.
You could almost say, something is trying to prevent us from traveling the stars.
@@noujaadw yes it’s called vastness
@@noujaadwyes it’s GOD,
The Universe is so unimaginably and mind-numbingly large, the chance of Humans finding life or intelligent life finding us is slim.
@@noujaadw it depends. If we move fast enough we gain time (time dialation) to reach far away stars. But yes. Space is stupidly vast and light is very slow in comparison. Only way to travel far is via wormholes, which are nothing but two quantum entangled blackholes. This also connects relativity with quantum physics, and in 2019 had been demonstrated if im not wrong.
This is spot on. As a former military guy, I can tell you that our military does it's best to mask communications and camouflage or make everything stealth to avoid detection. So it doesn't surprise me that an advanced alien civilization would do the same.
they did come, but their scanners detected no intelligent life on our planet .
Which begs the question if they’re so high tech we can’t detect them, what scares them?
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 our stupidity
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 nukes and playing with dark matter
Unless there is some unforseen supertechnology that lets you violate the laws of physics, hiding an interstellar civilization is not really feasable.
Not that hiding is a good strategy for a civilization in the first place. This is not about hiding military units so they can strike first, this about hiding infrastructure, your cities, your factories, your entire civilization from something that could probably see your planet having life before you even walked upright. It makes no sense to do that, instead of rapidly expanding and becoming powerful so anyone threatening you would have to think twice.
Personally I do not think us being alone is the most depressing idea; it is actually far more harrowing to fathom that we might just be the most advanced of all civilizations. That aliens do not contact us because they are actually more primitive than we already are.
that is also a nightmare
I think humans are pretty far from being the most advanced, just look at what´s happening all over the 21st century and you see.
We are NOT alone....I've seen their technology...it's not technology....they are Gods...there is no Alien civilization..just two Gods and their vessel they travel in...
The universe is at least 3 times the age of our earth, and possibly MUCH older, if the new evidence from Webb means anything. So, it's very unlikely that we would be the most advanced civilization around.
Let's say the ocean is space, the amount of space we've searched for life is about one cup of the ocean. When you take a cup of water, you won't find any fish.
I think the biggest issue is that once you get a few light years from Earth, detecting our radio waves would be like spotting a lit match on Earth from Pluto. The signal would be so weak it could easily be missed. Or they may just not be listening to radio. They may use something else entirely like some form of quantum entanglement or extra dimensional signals.
This is what I was thinking. The way an alien species communicates could be so radically different from our own that radio waves could be 100% meaningless to them. We tend to think aliens would be easy to communicate with when we watch things like the "universal translator" on Star Trek at work. When, of course, this is all fiction, and we may find that communication with the aliens is extremely difficult--if not impossible.
I tend to think that every planet that has life has the same periodic table to work with. And, we have figured out why no other combinations really work well for life other than carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, and a few others. Most life at our level of intelligence and physicality would be similar to us, and they would have gravity similar to ours, and atmospheres like ours, and iron cores like ours, and stars like ours. The real problems that all communications between solar systems face is distance between solar systems, and even moreso the odds of these species existing at the same time.
Exactly. And for the same reason, it’s not surprising we can’t see other intelligent life out there. The universe could be teeming with space faring civilisations and we still probably wouldn’t see any evidence, due to the distances involved. If they have been here then they wouldn’t necessarily announce themselves, for very good reason. They may simply keep us under observation due to a “non interference” policy, similar to Star Trek’s “Prime Directive.”
They've been here for millenia, so....
@@senorbullflag7346 That's why when I watch these shows of alien encounters they show spacecraft with "lights". WTF! A alien spacecraft would not I repeat ... NOT have lights to show their presence. If anything they would have an invisible cloak surrounding their spacecraft.
The biggest problem with every answer to "are they out there?" is that we are limited to our frame of reference. Alien life would be quite literally that.... alien, completely unlike us and unknown to us. We assume they would have similar wants/needs. Wanting to make contact, start conflicts and expand because thats how we think. They could be looking for a completely different set of markers for intelligence, working with completely different modes of communication and could be a completely different based lifeform.
The 'we make too many anthropocentric assumptions' line of thought is, itself, as assumption. Alien life could also be "common" in ways that might surprise us. Sometimes. I'd imagine both exist.
Exactly, so why doesn't life exist on any other planet within our solar system?
@@R4idenXS it does but in the more subtle dimensions
Doesn’t a planet have to have everything right, for intelligent life to evolve? If an asteroid doesn’t wipe out the dinosaurs, are we even here right now? What effect would two moons or a planet closer to us, have on our planet?
If there is intelligent life on other planets, it’s possible their world didn’t have the Egyptians, Chinese, Greeks, Romans, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mongols, etc, that pushed us to where we are right now.
@@tampadave13 if they can think and rationalize then they too had their own history of how they developed this.
Someone told me a story of their first car. He lived in a bad neighborhood, so he went overboard locking it up with chains wrapped around a tree and hooked to his car's frame. When he woke up the next day, his car was turned around and rechained with a note left on the windshield that read "When we want it, we'll take it." I feel the same way about intelligent life in our universe. If they're smart enough to build a ship that can get here, we don't stand a chance against them in our current state. There's no need to worry about it.
Liu Cixin's books are amazing. Can't wait for the Netflix adaptation!
I think Star Trek model is probably pretty accurate, the Prime Directive would dictate that enlightened species would allow alien civilizations to develop naturally, at their own pace, and not be contacted until they’re ready to travel beyond their own solar system
@Anne O'Nymous actually it is. Gene Roddenbury got the idea for Star Trek from the Council Of Nine.
@Anne O'Nymous The Next Generation was not poorly written.
@Anne O'Nymous this is a concept that is widely considered to be the best approach to future relations in space travel, it’s not entirely based on Star Trek and you should try watching it before passing judgement
Being a good idea and being accurate are different things. The Prime Directive idea is a good one, but even within Star Trek it is a principle of the Federation and it is shown that many other civilizations don't follow it. The Prime Directive also just talks about not interfering or contacting those civilizations, not hiding all evidence from them - those civilizations could still have the opportunity to notice the evidence of other civilizations around them, so the Prime Directive isn't a Fermi Paradox solution since the paradox hinges upon the lack of any observable evidence of other civilizations anywhere we look.
@Anne O'Nymous The Zoo Hypothesis is a widely accepted theory for the answer to the fermi paradox. Also, the original comment did not show any signs of viewing reality based on the tv show, only taking one specific subject from the show and correlating it to reality, perhaps your the one who lacks intelligence
I have 2 thoughts. 1. The technology that enables an intelligent race to travel interstellar distances also enables them to visit and observe without us detecting them. Mostly. Maybe sometimes the pilot does something a bit wrong and we get a glimpse of a UFO. 2. We are the most boring stop on the class field trip, therefore their school finds excuses to not stop here. Your mileage may vary, but my inner 12 year old self likes #2.
They did mention the second possibility, only they put it as "They have seen us, and they are terrified we will find them".
Or maybe, they’re waiting to harvest the human race 🥲
They absolutely want us to know they exist because they like to shut down nuclear missile sites and give us glimpses of them. They're interdimensional as well
Schools seem to love the boring stops
Tbh, if they are aliens and they are so advanced (interstellar travel assumes you have other major technological advances), then why we can see these UAP's so often?
Doesn't make any sense, actually it's a bit stupid to reveal yourself like that don't you think?
Me personally, I believe we're not alone, but somehow have a feeling these UAP's are our origin, only trying to manipulate the masses with alien stories for some xy agenda of control.
Something slightly optimistic could be that we're simply the furthest along technologically. If we assume there are alien species out there, someone had to be the first to make it to interstellar travel. So maybe no one's really done it. Maybe in a few hundred years we'll be the ones to receive some signal from a newly space-faring race wondering whether or not they're alone.
We are NOT alone....I've seen their technology...it's not technology....they are Gods...there is no Alien civilization..just two Gods and their vessel they travel in...
Funny enough the Dark Forest (or at least similar concepts) had been already articulated quite a bit before Cixin posited it; Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking opined in that direction, and the 1995 novel "The Killing Star" had pretty much the same idea but using Central Park at night instead of a dark forest:
"We ask that you try just one more thought experiment. Imagine yourself taking a stroll through Manhattan, somewhere north of 68th street, deep inside Central Park, late at night. It would be nice to meet someone friendly, but you know that the park is dangerous at night. That’s when the monsters come out. There’s always a strong undercurrent of drug dealings, muggings, and occasional homicides.
It is not easy to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys. They dress alike, and the weapons are concealed. The only difference is intent, and you can’t read minds.
Stay in the dark long enough and you may hear an occasional distance shriek or blunder across a body.
How do you survive the night? The last thing you want to do is shout, “I’m here!” The next to last thing you want to do is reply to someone who shouts, “I’m a friend!”
What you would like to do is find a policeman, or get out of the park. But you don’t want to make noise or move towards a light where you might be spotted, and it is difficult to find either a policeman or your way out without making yourself known. Your safest option is to hunker down and wait for daylight, then safely walk out.
There are, of course, a few obvious differences between Central Park and the universe.
There is no policeman.
There is no way out.
And the night never ends."
A good analogy that puts our place in the universe into perspective.
👁🗨 👄 👁🗨
Someone out there would have to at least pretend to be a nice authority to multiple subject empires
@@cjmarion6350 In reality, our human ways cannot prosper in the cosmos. They did not prosper in our planet, to begin with, and that is because colonization is expensive, and unlike on Earth, makes no sense in an universe full of virtually unlimited resources. If an interstellar species wants certain occupied planet, the most logical way to spend resources is to find a similar planet elsewhere, not to go to war.
I also subscribe to the theory that more advanced species consume less, not more, because they are more efficient. The Kardashev scale is fundamentally wrong. This is the solution to the Fermi paradox that I subscribe to: Alien species have progressed so far, that they can thrive with the resources found solely within their solar system, I mean people really underestimate how much energy is in the Sun alone. So, as a result, advanced species have no need to travel further or to communicate with other species.
All I got from that is that New York is a crime-ridden sh*thole lol.
1:00 "Where is everybody?" - Some points to consider:
1. There is a chance we are the first advanced intelligent life (small chance but still exist)
2. Intelligent life doesn't automatically mean they must have super technology, maybe they are "stuck" on a planet with few resources and technically cannot build an advanced spaceship even if they wanted and knew how to
3. Maybe they can't travel fast enough, and the "wormhole" theory was never implemented by any intelligent life
--> Just a few points to consider...
It's the first one.
Or maybe we're the only intelligent life in the entire universe. Maybe were alone ,That may sound ridiculous and sad,hurtful even for some people who really hoped were not alone ,but Everything is possible ,So its possible that we're alone!!!! and that doesn't have to bother us anyway ,we already have so much problems with ourselves.Wars ,racism,global warming ,self gender identity etc. All these bs
@@MineCraft-nz9pg I personally dislike the idea that terrestrial life is alone from a statistics standpoint. The universe is infinitely large, and even within the milky way there's a massive set of potentially Life-bearing planets.
We know life is possible in this universe - exhibit a: Sol 3, locally known as "Earth", and we know life can evolve to a point where it is as intelligent as humanity - exhibit b: humanity.
Hence, statistics dictates that it is INCREDIBLY likely, bordering on decidedly true that there's life - and quite likely intelligent life - out there in this universe.
That said, I think there's a few things many people forget to consider.
For one, humanity right now barely has the technology for interstellar detection, and entirely lacks the technology for interstellar communication. Unless radical breakthroughs (read: breakthroughs that most likely defy known laws of physics) are made, this will not change. Assuming the breakthroughs made are a shipboard FTL drive of some fashion - any fashion! - That does not implicitly carry with it a means of interstellar communication, beyond using the ships as couriers. And THAT would then likely be an effectively untraceable means of communication that cannot be accessed from outside. Why can't we hear them? Maybe it's just impossible to talk!
For two, the universe isn't 3-dimensional. It's 4-dimensional. The fourth dimension is time. Any given civilization will as such have 4 sets of coordinates - 3 of where and 1 of WHEN. And just like the 3 where coordinates, a sufficient displacement in the when coordinate is probably impossible to bridge... There may just not be life at the same time as us, or at the very least not close enough in space for us to interact with, at the same time as us.
For three, frankly... Why bother? Why bother talking to aliens? What do we stand to gain from it, actually? Yes, humanity might want to just because it's cool, but that doesn't necessarily mean alien life thinks that way. Making contact with alien life is likely to primarily lead to conflict over who owns what where. Taking over a native population isn't very productive - just use robots instead - and Ressourcen aren't really an argument either - just go somewhere else where there's no natives. So that leaves the question, what to talk to others for? Just live and let life, if another civilization is somewhere just don't go there. There's probably enough space for everyone! And then there's humans, screaming their lungs out trying to find someone with archaic technology. We may be the galactic equivalent of that annoying guy that keeps calling even though you never pick up the phone.
Fourthly... I think one big point is also that SETI as far as interstellar comms goes is hilariously archaic. Why hasn't SETI found anything yet? Well, our signals are barely reaching a small cluster of systems around Sol, yet we're expecting results. There probably isn't even anything there, and even if there was, to reply to SETI they'd need to send back radio waves which would take just as long to get back as ours took to arrive. Say SETI was intercepted by an advanced civilization 20 years after that particular message was sent, and they chose to reply. We'd hear that reply 40 years after the original signal! And that's to cover a distance of 20 light years - for reference, the closest star is roughly 4 light years far away, and host's the closest known potentially habitable Exoplanet. Clearly, that one ain't it - but for reference. We'd only have known that 8 years after the initial signal. And that's the CLOSEST potential planet, which just out of sheer coincidence HAPPENS to be in the CLOSEST star system to earth. Even assuming we do get a reply, we'll probably only receive it in thousands of years! At that point why bother replying at all? Hell, who knows, the WOW signal may have been an Alien SETI Initiative. We never bothered replying to that!
@@platiuscyndar9017 I love the way you talk about the dimensions (the 3 wheres and the when). And your third point really resonated with me.But The thing that makes me sad is that people are stupid enough to try and communicate with aliens,wasting Billions of dollars constructing machines Which will neither benefit the planet nor solve the problems that were facing right now.Of course there are still alot of people who do their best to keep the planet in a good condition ,but thats doesnt seem to be enough.But its their money ,they can do whatever they want .All i can say is "Its Useless Thinking About Alien Life" But i love hearing peoples opinion and ideas about this.
One point that I have never seen adressed (though it seems logical to me) is: It's often said that the veolution of life from dead matter must be easy because it happened here very early. Therefore, life should be everywhere. But people never seem to consider that it's life itself (plant life in particular) that through the Gaia effect has been keeping Earth habitable. When the sun and the earth first formed, the sun put out at least 30% less radiation than it does today, yet Earth was still warm enough to have liquid water. Over billions of years, the sun's output has inceased considerably, yet Earth's surface has remained quite balmy. Because of life itself! Computer models show that without life, Earth today would have been a slightly cooler Venus - NOT a place where life as we know it could have formed!
In other words, life originated early on Earth, because that was the ONLY time circumstances were right for it, and therefore we have no idea how easy it was. Could very well be that Earth's just a fluke, and life forming from dead matter is fantastically implausible. After all, some century and a half since Darwin we STILL don't actually know how it happened|!
What I don’t understand is why there is no talk about how diverse life has been on our planet alone…
From Dinosaurs to sea creatures to birds & even to humans…
All life has been SOOO different
There could be some terrifying creatures out there… imagine something the size of dinosaurs with any intelligence close to ours 👀
We could be absolutely screwed
However… there could even be something very similar to humans
The possibilities are endless
It can never be logically, conclusively proved that we ARE alone. It can only be conclusively proved *through experience* that we are not alone.
My high school best friend and I (around 1992/3) used to theorize that aliens could be here and we simply haven’t experienced them in the way that they communicate or present themselves. Beings of pure thought was our favorite way of imagining them- they would be invisible, silent, and intangible. Unless they chose to communicate, likely telepathically, or possibly masquerading as our own ideas, daydreams, or even mental illnesses. I’m ashamed that I don’t recall who said the original quote, but it bears repeating- “The universe is probably not just stranger than we imagine, but stranger than we CAN imagine.” I probably butchered that quote, too. Thanks for the very enjoyable video!
Agreed. The entities are among and around us in higher dimensional planes. DMT is the technology to communicate
@@DJ-GASM I’ve always wanted to try DMT. I have a long and deep experience with drugs, and the mind-alterers were always a favorite. PCP, LSD, MDMA, psylocibin, mescaline- lots of amazing experiences with those, but never had access to any DMT. I’ve read a lot of testimonials from users, and it sounds pretty much like what I expect- I assume you’re speaking from experience in your comment?
The Christian Bible has a name for these "Beings of pure thought", Angels & Demons.
I believe you’re on the money my friend. They are made out of pure will and consciousness and energy. They are made of what lies beyond this universe. Angels
That or what we perceive as objects are probably concious. Like I believe our galaxy is a concious being. We are basically our own mini galaxies, we have billions of atoms and a whole world of bacteria literally right on our skin
Here is a thought: Imagine modern humans were destroyed or destroyed themselves fully. Only remaining homo sapiens were the 50 people on Sentinel Island east of India (stone age and mostly uncontacted), a small group deep in the forests of Papua New Guinea, a small group in the Amazon rain forest, a group of pygmies in Congo, Africa and some Inuit people in the Arctic or Alaska. Say 1000 people, all living with stone tools and as hunter gatherers. How long would it take for them to come in contact with each other? Humans have had agriculture for 5,000 years. We have worked with metal for 7,000 years. The industrial revolution 300 years. Radio was invented approximately 100 years ago. Semi-conductors less than 100. Silicon chips for computing power 75 years. NASA tells us we lost the tech to repeat the human flight to the moon and back. Even though we all carry greater computing power in our pockets than needed for the manned flights to the moon. We have been sending space probes out into the solar system for a few decades. Then look at the size of the galaxy. Then the number of known galaxies. We are like that Amazon tribe in the first part of my comment, wondering if there are other people that exist. They do, but that group doesn't even have the wheel or significant agriculture or a division of labor that would allow some to pursue art and science. How long will it take for that group to make it up to the Arctic or over to Africa or out into the Indonesian archipelago? Maybe we should give it a few more thousand years before we conclude we are alone or that intelligent life is avoiding us or any other conclusion. Just my thoughts. I am sure there is a lot I have not thought of here.
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I think that it is us, that are rare in using radio waves, most others use a different means of communication.
We have always overestimated the ease of travel in Science and Science Fiction while under estimating our communication and data processing ability. I have some ideas on how contact may happen and hope to put it into a story. Penrose's quantum microtube minds and gravity wave communication may be the way.
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here's the thing we can't even communicate with the animals on our own planet. we have no idea what they want And the thing is they can communicate with us. We don't even understand what they want We can kind of get a rough ideal when it comes to the species that we interact with on a daily. But that's usually really just basic shit And honestly like cats talk down to humans. dogs are honestly the closest that we've come to understanding another species And even then we get a wrong half time if not more than that. to think that we're even going to have a chance to be able to communicate with others species that aren't from Earth is ridiculous. This isn't a Star Trek.
Also you have other issues with how slow our radio singles travel and our television singles. I mean the furthest any have gotten is only 200 light years away. And honestly I don't see how we think that we're gonna find life in 200 light years considering that our galaxy alone is 100,000 to 180,000 Light years across. meaning that it would take a min of 100,000 years or more to reach the other side. Yet we are asking why we are not seeing them. Well the answer is really simple. unless the Spieces is at least 1 million years old of course we wouldn't see them If they are in another galaxy they would need to much much older. So if life is a new thing or not we just might not be close enough for us to hear them or Vice versa. one other huge problem, all pollution coming from all the celestial bodies that are in the Milky Way. and you might as well throw in the rest of the universe, too, while your at it. So the odds of us actually picking it up is actually kind of low. And that's even if they use our technology. our technology is very primitive when it comes to single transmission. Sure we've had some breakthroughs here and there but nothing to get all excited about. and
said the real question should be are we self primitive that we just can't hear them talking. And how do we get to the point where we can. Until then we have to assume that we are probably alone in the universe because we don't see any signs that we aren't alone So we must make the assumption that we are. that's honestly what the Fermi Paradox is pointing to. why aren't we seeing them Well I think we already know the answer to that question. In this video doesn't touch on any of that It just rehashes the same BS over and over again.
@@cglucas44 Math and logic are universal though, if a species is advanced enough it would be able to create some form of communication from these basis. We can't communicate with animals because we can't meet them on a common ground beyond basic needs.
@@cglucas44 that first part doesn't make sense. Most animals (aside from dolphins and whales if I remember correctly) don't really have verbal forms of communication. They just have social cues which their own species can't always understand. As for the ending of the second part. It shouldn't matter too much what their technology is unless it's highly advanced. We'd still be able to pick up something eventually.
Thinking we are alone in this universe is absolutely insane, and there is no way we can possibly prove that we are alone either.
So one position based on zero evidence is "insane", and another is less so? Hmmmm....
It is irrelevant drivel meant to amuse the plebs.
i find it equally insane to postulate we are alone in the milky way, or that "they d know about us by now". Its 200 000 ly across. Our radio signals havnt even gone 1/10th of a % that distance yet.
Sure there's a lot of real state out there. However time is as much an abyss as space. With 13 billion years backwards and however many billions forwards, there's really no guarantee that two civilizations will coincide to appear at the same time and close enough to contac each other. Therefore it would be very unlikely to make contact with someone else, ever.
Personally I believe there's no one out there, just plenty of planets full of the ruins of elder civilizations or covered in green goop that might show promise in a few billion years from now, long after we're gone.
@@Wimpymind well, radio signals travel in a direct way. But actual FTL travel may be different. All mass in our galaxy spins around other mass - that´s a lot of gravitational fields interloping and interacting. If we manage to find a way to disrupt one exact gravity field (like the Sun´s), we may have our FTL - it will be similar to get off a bus.
The Fermi Paradox has always puzzled me and I never really understood why this was a paradox at all. We've been a "space faring species" for about 60 years. And we can just barely put a human being in the area that is technically space...we can't exactly visit other planets, let alone other solar systems, let alone other galaxies. The earth alone is about 13 billion years old and the universe is at least trillions of years old. The idea that we would figure out this technology and within like a 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe's timeline another species would have this technology AND communicate with us is so staggeringly optimistic and narcissistic it baffles comprehension.
Imagine the look on the scientist's faces in the future when they invent some kind of Quantum radio and it starts blowing up with news broadcasts from other planets
There’s absolutely no way we are alone. The universe is simply too big. They don’t have to be even as advanced as we are, but they’re out there.
Thats always been my theory. There’s probably hundreds of thousands of other species with the same capacity for intelligence as us. However even if that’s true there’s a 99.9% chance that 99.9% of those species capable of anything interstellar, half of them are probably in their stone ages
Definately, havent we even found evidence of microorganisms outside our planet? MAYBE we could be the only civilization this advanced, which it doubtful in itself, but youre right
Infimate cosmos and sooo manyyyy oportunities, theres other life out there im sure
EXACTLY. we are DEFINITELY NOT ALONE.
yeah we are alone
@@n4kroth y u say?
Galaxies are constantly moving away from each other....we will never be able to catch up, just keeps getting farther away.
Andromeda our neighbor galaxy will slam into us or absorb us so there's that.
At a critical point in distance, you are right, but if they are close enough, you still can reach them.
The dark forest thing doesn't take into account that intelligent beings are by necessity very curious, often willing to risk endangering themselves in order to discover something.
It's somewhat self distructive but overall it's beneficial for the species as they learn new things as a collective.
Very True!
It's possible that they have already observed us but they exist on another plane or reality outside of our ability to detect them ... They could be blasting signals and we would not even know
Intelligence doesn't in principle require curiosity.
That curiosity could be the reason they don't survive long enough to explore the galaxy or by exploring they bring back their own destruction.
The only example of intelligent beings we know of are humans on this earth, so the assumption that another intelligent being in another galaxy would behave the same way can not be proven to be true or false until we do observe another intelligent being.
uuuhh ill take my chances Mr. Destiny on believing we are not alone
Intelligence evolves and so is our universe. Catching up with how the mysterious universe operates is simply beyond us.
Our curiosity certainly outweighs our fear
Of course the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is certainly possible. But there are two factors that I believe have reduced our likelihood of discovering them. The first is that they may be too far from us to detect. The second is that they may have either existed in the past or may exist in the future
There is a certain famous researcher who believes aliens aren't from out there but one of our own descendants as he believes the next logical step would be time travelers from our future..I'm not going to try to prove or disprove that but what you said reminds me of his conclusions that aliens are us in th near/distant future.
@@mfelliott87 By the time we've developed FTL travel, which would be required for the distances needed to reach other civilisations, it might be easier to develop time travel technology. Most FTL theory involves warping space-time anyway. I think it's very plausible that we'd develop time travel just as easily as we'd develop intergalactic travel.
@@speculative I agree as either may require exotic matter or something new to accommodate such intergalactic travel or time travel.. each time something seems impossible a genius figures out a way to prove every one wrong.. breaking sound barrier...achieved.. going to space.. achieved... cloning... achieved... splicing Genes.. achieved... landing on Mars... achieved... what if our childrens childrens children develop large black eyes to see in the dark and a they are proportionate but smaller size with bigger heads 👽 are caught in a fallout and figure out away to time travel come back into our time to hide... they would literally be aliens, but from earth and our ancestors.... what if we are the modern descendants of an ancient aliens as well and our Dna remembers..
If their signals haven't reached us, assuming they have radio transmission or similar, that means that life developed here uncommonly early, otherwise signals of civilizations from long ago would definitely have reached us by now. I think the point is that this possibility is less likely than the rare earth hypothesis; If we were the first after 14 billion years, than life developing in the future will be unlikely for whatever reason it hasn't happened almost anywhere else yet. If civilizations existed in the past, then it seams there is some dark reason they went extinct and we are the only one's, which means there is something, a so called "Great Filter", filtering them out, driving them extinct. the question is then: is the great filter behind us or ahead of us? If its behind us, then we are a rare earth, and the rare 'earthers' and perhaps even intelligent design theorists are right and we are alone in the galaxy, but also safe from sure destruction. However, If there is a great filter, The odds of us being the only ones to escape it are pretty small, which would mean that it is more likely ahead of us, meaning we are doomed. You could say, however, that there is evidence that if the great filter exists, we have escaped it, the reason being that if we are not unique and there have been other civilizations which all got wiped out by the great filter (again assuming some use something like radio), we still would have got some sort of signal from the long past civilizations, which we haven't. so idk
@@jacob_massengale You make important points. The "Dark Forest" theory seems to assume that all intelligent civilizations would have been smart enough to not allow communications emissions to escape their planet *as they were developing* such technology.
It seems highly unlikely that *100%* of all intergalactic civilizations, besides ourselves, would have masked their emissions.
Edit: Actually, not "smart enough." The decision to mask your communications from the outset of their development would more reflect a civilization's outlook and philosophy perhaps?
I want to believe we're not alone. Hope it's true about other intelligent beings.
Closer than ever? How can this be wrong? A week from now we will also be closer than ever.
Plot twist : Humans are the self replicating machines Frank Tipler was referring to.
The Spice must flow!
I like it!
Can't you see any aliens from there' cause it sounds like your head is in ur anus.. I know I know poor attempt 😬😂
and thats a good movie plot...in the end we discover We are merely droids lol
Or that we are not native to earth
considering how vast the universe is and how difficult interstellar travel is to achieve, I ain't surprised no alien lifeform has shown up yet
There are still trillions of galaxies, perhaps more.
The possibility is still far more than our imagination.
Mathematical simulations will easily put up hundreds of thousands of Interstellar species if not millions.
Hello, they may just be watching, waiting for us to show we are ready.
Past civilisations the helping along of mankind and the execution on life on Mars show it happened before.
Be happy with the lives we have now, for they are far to short.
Take care M.
thats ignoring the time scale, doesnt matter how difficult it is, its been billions of years, even if the aliens craw by the snail's pace they would have easily colonised entire galaxy in just few million years.
They shouldnt want to have anything to do with us
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Or perhaps it is not feasible to colonize entire galaxy in respect of weak biological bodies.
It is a waste of resource and time.
Even humans can't expect to live a life on other planets similar to Earth. The weak biological body will not adapt to multiple physical and chemical strains of other worlds.
The Aliens might have transformed their entire civilization in digital platform around a limitless energy source such as blackholes and red dwarfs.
Foolish to think we’re alone.
It’s mathematically impossible.
If we're not in a Matrix then we're definitely not alone. that's for sure.
We are NOT alone....I've seen their technology...it's not technology....they are Gods...there is no Alien civilization..just two Gods and their vessel they travel in...
@@RRISNER2024VP Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
@@pedrolive07 they won't let us collect evidence...because they have telepathy.
The scariest thing that we could recieve as a signal for me it's either "Be quiet" or "We are coming"
Good news. If they’re coming, they will absolutely not tell us.
Worse news. If they’re altruistic, they won’t tell us to be quiet, for fear of being heard themselves.
Thanks for playing!
Good point, I will shit my pants if they appear anyway
I hope I'm dead when they come because it's not a question of if they exist it's a question of when will they arrive because the chaos that event will cause just hope they don't have Resurrection technology because they will most likely run experiments on the older evolutions of humanity
"You exist only because we allow it....and you will end because WE DEMAND IT!"
-Harbinger
"Good luck. You're on your own now." - would be pretty terrifying
What if WE are the self replicating machines, “built” by an civilization that operates in a huge time lapse?
Prometheus?
I think we're overdue the software patch
What if everything we know exists inside a black hole. Our universe expands because the blackhole consumes matter.
The blackholes in our universe also contain a universes that is a similar copy of our universe. With a version of ourselves existing, explaining what we experience as "deja-vus".
This phenomenon continues indefinitely in an infinate paradox.
@@joakimp2711 Sure why not, but what does that have to do with meeting aliens?
Then it reflects poorly on the parent civilization that they programmed such unsustainable machines that can endanger their original plans.
Imagine this subject being discussed in 1700's. We can not see their smoke signals.
These truly try so hard to keep u up.
I believe that if extraterrestrials exist, they may find us to be too primitive to talk to. The narrator puts radio waves and interstellar travel in one sentence. They would be mutually exclusive.
Someone who has already invented interstellar travel would no longer use radio waves to communicate long distances to talk to their buddies from elsewhere. Once we start listening to such communication, we may find someone who may be willing to talk back.
yes.... we are too primitive...... 😢😢😢
I don't think you're incorrect but ask everyone you know around you if they know what a carrier wave is and what it does. We use this technology everyday in almost everything electronic but good luck finding 10 people around you that can explain the function of a carrier wave. Then try to find the people that can explain the math behind the usage of a carrier wave. The information is all available to learn but the vast majority of people on the planet will not have the slightest clue. "You mean wi-fi right?" Edit for context: I can personally only vaguely describe a carrier wave and how it works because I bought a $50 SDR and I'm semi-decent at maths.
at some point in their development they would use radio waves, and given the distance traveled, we would be able to detect them at some point.
i completely agree radio signals are useless at long distances. barely adequate for communication just within our solar system
Interstellar travel is just travel from one solar system to another. Its not something that can be invented. Multiple spaceship designs capable of interstellar travel have already been invented. They are just expensive and slow. You know whats not slow? Light. Radio waves are light and will ALWAYS be faster then any form of travel period.
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
― Arthur C. Clarke―
True, but if we are the only ones , we have a entire universe to ourselves
With Tylor. Alone it is ours. Not alone, a high probability we are at someone else's mercy. Multiple someone else's mercy.
@@tylersoto7465 Yeah to oursleves...that's not a comforting thought either knowing what we're capable of and what forms of future techology could do. We have perfected means of dispensing with one another and in horrifying ways in mamy instances. I agree with Clarke, it's equally terrifying.
@@FH-cn3mg if only you focus on the dark side of thing , but it can be a great opportunity to explore and discover
"Both are equally terrifying." No! Only to nerds and dorks. We could care less if there are aliens out there and don't care if there are not any at all. It's better that they don't exist if anything.
The fact that “we should all be afraid” is why we won’t receive contact. Everybody else having a party out there!! 😂
In a multiverse of this unfathomably large size I find it difficult to believe alone. When we unlock interstellar travel we will discover things that are beyond our wildest imaginatio
You know that the multiverse is a theory. Its only theoretical.
Man if another being did find us, they’d most likely already developed a “1st encounter protocol” and I doubt it’s going to be “Be nice to them and leave them alone”
I think it's going to be exactly that. A civilisation that managed to survive long enough to develop interstellar travel must be very intelligent. And intelligent beings don’t act without good reason, intelligent beings first think about the right choice of action. So when aliens find us, I think they will first study us from a distance before making contact. They might just decide to wait another few thousand years before coming to contact us.
You’re right. They’d self reproduce and mimic us.
Why wouldn’t they, why would they care about a random non space-faring race lightyears away from them.
If anything first contact would probably just be a simple single message and they would probably never show up physically.
Oh boy yeah. Imagine if you were the sole sovereign of Earth and we had the tech. What would be your policy? Mine would be to force them to surrender all weapons and means of interstellar communication and leave a garrison in the billions to extract resources and colonize.
If they do not comply I'd wipe them out. You can never be too safe in these kinds of situations.
They've already been here for decades, shutting down nuclear missile sites. If you think they're not around you're way behind
There really are so many answers proposed to Fermi's Paradox. Over 70.
Some of my thoughts are currently:
- Communications: Our high powered radio communications only lasted about a century. Now everything is low powered and directed. We aren't just blasting everywhere with giant radio antennas. Even when we were blasting, radio signals still follow the inverse square law, meaning the strength of our signals rapidly dissipate over distance (think of the intensity of a flashlight on your hand vs a km away. Even communicating with our Voyager spacecraft requires some very large and highly sensitive radio dishes. And the Voyagers aren't anywhere near even our Oort cloud. Imagine how washed out our signals are by time they reach only 100 light years away. An alien civilization would need to focus an incredible amount of very very precise power squarely at us for us to have a chance of picking their signal up.
- Biology: There could be sentient beings that are as smart as us even relatively nearby. However, one of the key features we have going for us are our hands. Our fingers and opposable thumb allow us to manipulate and create things to a degree unlike any other animal. Because of this, we can create machines that can do what any other animal can. If intelligent aliens don't have something comparable, the best they can do is get into some pretty good philosophical discussions. No dolphin could create the way we do simply due to biology.
- Society: Assuming intelligent beings create societies, they could also be guided by a religion or other thought that may subvert creating anything to do with communicating outside their kind or using such 'forbidden' forms of communication. Or, they may simply have an innate lack of interest in exploration in such a way.
- Timing: Assuming there is another humanoid civilization that has all the right conditions to progress the way we did, they could be millenia behind us. They may have just figured out stone tools. We may be the most advanced humanoids (or any other biologically capable arrangement) out there.
- Drive: The idea in many movies is that aliens visit us primarily for our resources, such as water and raw materials. We are seeing that water is abundant in the universe. So are raw materials. The processes that have created our world - supernova - have occurred everywhere throughout the galaxy. It is far far faster and easier to mine their own solar system and nearby systems than to take the journey many light years away to something they could find locally. If they are that advanced, they have likely figured out fast and easy ways to replicate anything they desire anyways.
- Technological luck: Many things we have invented happened by chance. There are countless stories of scientists and inventors trying to create one thing but realizing something else was also happening, which they capitalized on. If it wasn't for such chance findings, our society could still look like the 1400s. We need to make the assumption that an alien civilization has so many beings also doing constant research and experimentation and are smart enough to say "Oh, wait a sec, what's happened here?" And then they need to be smart enough to extrapolate that to apply it to current problems as a remedy.
There can be much more said about each of the above thoughts. I think the biggest problem with 'why haven't we heard from anyone' is that we ascribe our human uniqueness to anything else that may be deemed sentient throughout the universe. How we evolved (physically and mentally) and the societies we built fostered a certain direction just confounds the likelihood we'll find anything that evolved just the way we did and is on the path we are. And this doesn't even touch on the idea that they may need to have been around long enough to evolve to our degree with a hospitable environment (planet, star type, asteroids, lack of nearby supernova, etc.)
I have to stop you at your "biology" point. I think one of the most convincing arguments for a wholly-materialism based answer to the "why are humans SO intelligent?" debate, the one that questions WHY we so suddenly (apparently) developed symbolic thinking, advanced computational skills, etc. is that we (apparently) developed such a large brain for the USE of our very-complex bodies, including especially digital manipulation. A disproportionately large amount of the brain corresponds to our capacity for this, as well as our visual-processing. I have to thank/am paraphrasing badly the suggestion of Dr. Andrew Huberman for this theory, but it makes sense to me. Our ability for abstract thought is basically a perhaps-accidental byproduct of having just such an amazingly sophisticated control center (aka brain) for our nervous system. So an alien civilization simply COULDN'T be as intelligent as us without having necessary hardware to even advance themselves to that point. It's possible they could have something else that allows such advancement and tool-making and other capacities, perhaps even non-physical ones (or not traditionally physical to us). It's also possible their intelligence would never lead to/require advanced technology.
This is wondering why you haven’t met anyone new after walking a 100 feet from your village. We have been looking for a tiny period of time.
The message just repeats, "Regret. Regret. Regret."
I did a scientific paper on this recently, and one thing that is overlooked is that no technology is perfect. My paper examined the minimum reliability of systems required for this. To date, it is much higher than we can achieve or even conceive with current and planned future technologies.
I wonder if, instead of improving the system reliability, they just massively improved their ability to detect and repair unreliabilities. As an Industrial Engineer, I can tell you from professional experience that we are only scratching the surface of the kinds of monitoring that are possible.
@@alexanderfretheim5720 That is how biological systems work. They are continuously self-repairing.
Agreed. Like the video but it did over play our ability to send and receive signals.
I actually think about that a lot when the Fermi paradox shows up in convo, which isn't nearly as often as I would like but whatever. Why do we expect there to be life forms out there so advanced that they can travel the cosmos? Why are we assuming that that's their ambition even? What tells us they can intercept or reply to our comms? We as a race are at this point in time and technological advancement due to very specific events that have taken place since the very formation of our planet. It's been a long journey since we first evolved from our ancestor species, such as learning to use tools, animal domestication, agriculture, trade, the imprint, then the industrial revolution and the digital revolution, and everything else that makes us what we are today, very specific events that have taken us this far, and it has taken this long for us to even send a craft into space, why must we assume others are ahead or have taken that path even? The conditions alone for life to develop are quite the feat to achieve, let alone the evolution of said life. What would've happened if we hadn't taken as much interest in the stars and simply focused on art and music? We'd be probably still in robes, dancing and eating grapes and dying young and admiring the sky as a huge work of art. What if other life forms took said path or a similar one? What if they did reach a very technologically advanced society, but lacked the development of aircrafts or spacecrafts, or lacked the elements to develop a fuel. We always assume they're more advanced and maybe they are but in different ways, maybe they have other achievements. We always assume they have better weapons, but war is a human invention, it came from our corrupted nature, maybe they're better than us and live peacefully in their planet and don't worry about what's out there.
@@daviddiazv17 - Yeah. The longest range that signals can be sent, even using lasers and such like, is about 50 light years. And the galaxy is much, much bigger than that.
1.) Radio waves only travel so far before they're indiscernible from background radiation.
2.) Most Earth-like planets are much larger than Earth. Trying to escape that gravity would be more challenging than it is for us, if not impossible.
3.) The universe is unimaginably vast. No one would travel across it unless they needed to.
They know we're here!
I believe that time is the main issue. It's not 'if' there is alien life but 'when' is there alien life. We can barely comprehend the age of it all.
You have to appreciate how big the universe is. You could search for billions of years, not just decades like we have, before finding some type of life.
This. There's a huge leap from "there's probably life out there somewhere and some small fraction of it is probably intelligent" and "Intelligent life has found how to cross the vastness of space and picked our rock to visit in the specific timeframe that humanity exists."
Doesn't that imply that the hypothesis of alien life is non-falsifiable and thus not useful to science?
As one great philosopher once said, "Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” ;)
Our signals are only ~60 light years out, and they're going through a lot of interference on the way. 60 light year radius in a galaxy 100,000 light years across.
@@simonvasvary4847 And that was William Gibson in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galxy
If we are the only “intelligent” life, the universe is doomed.
The universe is really big. Anyone monitoring us is going to see the dinosaur age based on how it will take light to get to them.
I'm sure they would have technology to avoid that problem.
@@rel1stone121 Actually, no. There is no way to transmit information of any form faster than light, period. Quantum entanglement comes to mind, but setting up a connection requires sending information from one place to another, which would not be faster than light.
maybe that's a good thing. I personally would want to avoid the planet with giant meat eating lizards lol
What they see is dependent, entirely, on their distance to us. The range is as vast as the universe is large; some may see World War two, or even The Great War, and decide the primitive species killing one another en masse will hurl themselves into oblivion. Another may see the dinosaurs and decide they can use the planets resources because their isn't sentient life. Another may see a swirling mass of entwined magma and want nothing to do with it.
@@insertcreativenamehere492 I have attempted to find what is required for quantum entanglement but have not come across anything solid. It appears you have been able to.
Turtledove's "World War" series.
"They're primitive, let's conquer them."
[Travel]
"Uh, wait? What?!"
Here’s an idea: Einstein was right and nothing physical can reach the speed of light. So, the universe is a very big place, and time is vast. Maybe it’s just not possible to make a connection.
And, ask yourself, will every form of life define intelligence the same way?
The Episode of Guillermo Del Toro’s: Cabinet of Curiousities titled ‘The Autopsy’ was one of the coolest iterations of extraterrestrial life. The way the alien used humans as a host and all the details that went along with it was a very terrifying thought.
it was a fing great episode! design and theory wise ✨
That episode was great....
I am unfamiliar with that film, however I agree that any species more intelligent than us (and if they are here, that's a given) would indeed be 'hiding in plain sight'. There are a number of technologies that could accomplish this, not the least of which is some sort of mental dampener that simply makes it so we just don't notice them. And yes, they would be hiding, regardless of intent, because they would want to study us for quite some time to determine of what use we could be to them (as any apex predator would - WE would).
@@marktaylor6553 that is a scary thought. What got me about the episode was the alien parasite basically plugged in to all our biological systems and while it was people through agony they were fully conscious of it all. The episode left you wanting more and with a lot to think about.
Loved that episode and yes very chilling
My main thought about this subject goes like this; if the universe is virtually infinite, then shouldn't there be virtually infinite chances for life, regardless of odds? Because even if the odds are extremely low, there should be infinite chances for it to happen anyway given the limit of our universe. It just seems impossible for us to be alone
As I understand it, the universe is infinite but not the matter that is in it. I still agree, given the vastness of what is observable by us alone it seems silly to think there wouldn't be any life besides us
the problem is the limited speed. if indeed the universe was infinite and there was life outside our observable bubble, that life would be as good as nonexistent. with alien life we mean life that we can communicate with (even finding remnants is a sort of historical communication)
We still don't know if it is infinite. If it was then it would be more like an "infinite amount of dimensions with an infinite amount of possibilities" but we cannot see them. And as far as science knows, our universe is more finite than infinite.
There might be life out there and still, we are alone. What do I mean by this? Due to the rapid expansion of the universe 94% of all galaxies we've found so far are completely unreachable, no matter how far our technology gets, they are moving away from us (and our galaxy from them) at a speed higher than the speed of light (expansion of the universe), a speed that is unreachable for anything in this universe. So there might be more life out there but no way to ever get in contact with them or them with us, thus we are by all practical means isolated and alone.
@@jackdaws7125 I presented a speech in college that had an idea kind of similar to yours. Basically, there are two equations; the Classical Drake and the Statistical Drake
The Classical Drake determines the probably of mankind detecting radio waves from other civilizations. When calculated it comes out to a zero and 15,785 chance. This is because the equation also says that there should be 15,785 advanced civilizations in the Milky Way alone
Then there's the Statistical Drake, and it's purpose is to provide a more precise probability as well as the average distance between the Milky Way's supposed civilizations. When calculated it says that there should be around 4,590 civilizations in the Milky Way. Assuming that they are all equally spaced from each other, this makes the average distance between them 28,845 light-years apart. And the estimated distance of the closest one to Earth is 2,670 light-years with a 75% chance of there being one within 1,361 and 3,979 light-years
The glaring issue with this is that Earth's own radio wave technology can only reach 500 light-years away. This means that we would have to make the assumption that other civilizations would need, at minimum, 2.72x our radio performance. And since we haven't had any meaningful contact, we can safely assume that they do not have that kind of technology
It could just be that we are the most advanced in our galaxy at the moment. Maybe there are other civilizations that are at a similar stage. Or maybe they are advanced enough but don't want to contact out of fear, which is essentially the Dark Forrest theory
Well, why would people assume that the environment we humans consider "habitable" has to be the universal definition of it. Maybe extra terrestrial life doesn't need what we do...
Wow I'm so shocked that the dark forest theory got brought up. The 3 body problem series is my favorite of all time and dark forest is absolutely the most chilling, horrific theory imaginable.
Especially with the 'shoot first (from many light years away), and don't bother with questions' aspect of it.
Oh is it because the "scientists" finally accepted the results of Abiogenesis based experimentation like Urey and Miller's experiment and the dozens done since then?
Such experiments revealed dozens of limiting factors that make amino acid based life literally impossible to self generate.
Did "scientists" also start to accept that life does not genetically improve generation to generation or are they still buying the bull shit about transcription errors (mutations) being a viable mechanism for speciation?
When you live in a universe of order that is undergoing ever accelerating entropy, it becomes ridiculous to postulate that complexity self arises and self improved contrary to known mechanism.
The fermi paradox doesn't exist because there isn't a paradox.
Silly science fiction is no basis for science. Everyone is silent because they're hiding from the big bad wolf who may not exist? yeah right. We've already made deliberate attempts at communication.
@@Kausan1 we're gonna get sniped with a directed supernova's gamma-ray burst, won't even see it coming nor know what happened
It's really unfair that Liu Cixin gets the credit for the dark forest analogy, I read the same idea in Greg Bear's Forge of God published in 1987. The first chapter makes the case we have not detected any signs of intelligent aliens as they are all keeping quiet as the galaxy may be full of predators. Bear compared our radio transmissions being like baby birds signing in a tree, unaware that there are raptors everywhere searching for such signs.
Eh... I think the evidence of the last 50 years has shown that this Malthusian view of resources is simply false. The truth is: we could have done far more colonizing of the cosmos than we did, and the reason we haven't done it is because we have no need of it. We're struggling to keep our own world peopled and economically viable, we definitely don't need more worlds and we certainly don't need them enough to spare the expenses of colonization! I don't think the universe is filled with predators. To be frank, it is far more simple and strategically useful to look for worlds already sterile than to attempt the nearly impossible forethought to manage the diseases, hazards and strategic environment of a planet that already has a civilization, or even multicellular life, on it.
Yep. Good book, as is the follow up Anvil of Stars.
Good books... I'll read them again...
Actually scary u put it that way
Yeah, the core of the story isn't new - dark forest theory is basically a sci-fi variations on Greek mythology, specifically Prometheus & Icarus; that certain human advances will ultimately lead to your doom; because the cosmos is full of unimaginable horror. The universe of Ridley Scott's Alien from the late 70's is another popular example.
But I don't think any other sci-fi writer came up with the idea of sabotaging another civilization's scientific data, so they would get stuck in the fossil era and self destruct; and that reality itself is scarred by alien intelligences trying to outsmart each other in similar ways...
Alien : took a 5 second look at the internet
alien : nope...they are doom, go find another one boys
If there were benevolent extraterrestrials out there, what would the think of how we generally treat the other intelligent creatures we share this planet with? I can't imagine them feeling inclined to introduce themselves.
If there are other intelligent species out there, and even some benevolent space faring species, they have seen other planets with unique intelligent creatures and they have a history of their own. They would know that it is a process that growing planets go thru, and not unique to us. They may be sad by this, but not horrified.
They already have
Ones who are benevolent are like outsiders of their own kind, like pirates then they come here, not knowing how likely they will make it out of Earth's atmosphere, kind of explains why we only see one or 2 at a time, they're the benevolent ones looking for something or someone to salvage, to make Value off of,
@@Will.G33 Personaly I think we should stop trying to apply good or bad , benevolent or malevolent to extra-terrestrials. They probably don't have the same moral values that humans do. Since some of the worst things that have ever been done, were done by people with good intensions, I don't think this is a very balanced way of looking at it. However since their morals would be differn't than ours in most likleyness, this presents a danger. This same danger can be found when a more advanced human civilization comes across a foreign less advanced civilization. It's not as simple as good or bad. Not to mention the differnces that could occur individualy between the veiwpoints of said extraterrestrials.
The signals they intercepted were Tiktok challenges
Asking “Why haven’t they contacted us” is like Columbus wondering why pre-Columbian Americans never tried to contact the old world. It’s built on a very particular set of assumptions that may sound reasonable to us, but with a few hundred years of foresight we know is absolutely ridiculous.
That really makes no sense, as if you turn it around... they got "contacted" and basically wiped out.
In my opinion, a simpler answer would be that "intelligence" follow the same pattern of evolution that is, in turn, dictated by the fundamental forces that work in our known universe. The inevitable conclusion would be that any biologically derived form of mathematically capable intelligence, one able to developing technology, will at some point either disappear or generate a higher, non-biological form, capable of surviving the end of the delicate conditions needed to foster biological forms.
Our planet, for instance, is an old being with perhaps a billion-year left of habitability.
For "life" to survive that inevitable end, it needs to migrate or adapt to non-biological conditions.
If one assume that technology may create an artificial life-sustaining ark, one may well assume that it can be equally capable of preserving the knowledge of recreating it.
But, what would be the point of actually preserving it? An artificial life would be much more durable and profound than any biological one (e it could create the biological form at will).
In addition, intelligent entities, non-confined to "life-bearing" restrictions, could find and utilise much better energetic resources and span time periods that are inconceivable to us.
A trip of 100ky is not a reasonable option for any lifeform, assuming a very broad similarity to us, but not for a non-biological one, assuring an opening to interstellar travel, at least to some extent.
Furthermore, a non-biological entity would not have much interest in biological harbouring planets as they are not a good source of energy.
not even remotely the same. Same planet is different from same galaxy. Humans do not travel across star systems. No species is known to do so. Coloumbus traveled across an ocean...
@@GKtheElder Each galaxy is like its own continent though, and the vast space in between is like the vast ocean.
@@haywire4686 Id say we dont know that and IF we were to go and see about it we may just find nothing worth looking for other than to ease our curiosities. Not to mention we spend all this "money" on research and havent solved complex social issue on this planet in this galaxy only to maybe find another galaxy with intelligent life that may or may not know about the human species and its virulence lol imagine the human species as columbus and extraterrestrial life as aztecs...
I don't think we will ever find anything. I honestly believe we are alone. An that is great.
The universe. So big, one begins to wonder if it's purposeful.
Interesting to see no mention of the light bubble around the earth, our signals have only reached 100 light years out so far, this doesn't encompass many other solar systems.
I think the biggest factor is how big space really is. Some stars that we see in the sky, the light that we see was emitted thousands of years ago. They could be gone now and we would not know it.
thousand years? bro thousand years is nothing for the universe. You should have said at least a billion light years ago (:
Yeah, in fact right at this moment, somewhere in the neighboring shoulder of our galaxy, the mighty space fleets might clash in a fierce battle, obliterating planets and extinguishing entire stars... And we won't know about this for another several millenia
@@Southeng8160 No...he had it about right. We haven't built equipment sensitive enough to detect the faint traces of billion-year-old-light yet (none of that is coming from either our galaxy nor our closest neighbors.)
This just gets into conjecture after the intro. The intro is good.
I think we should keep an open mind on any kind of possibilities and spend our resources on being the best we can be as a species and each human one. Looking for alien is a waste as it alienates an important part of our resources for more important goals, at least more important from my point of view.
I had heard that one of the problems was that a civilization only sends out radio signals for a relatively short time on a galactic scale. Civilizations are silent in the beginning, because no tech. Then they broadcast like crazy, and slowly go silent again as the tech improves. Like us now, as we go digital. If you're not looking at the exact place, at the exact time, you miss it.
People always think of radio as only for communication. There is many natural radio signals in space we observe (since certain things can be far better observed in radio then any other wavelength. That makes me very convinced aliens will at least observe radio for a long time due to astronomy, even if thgey have better ways to communicate. I am also not so sure that we will no longer produce radio at any point in the near future. It will be less sure, but you can´t lay a cable to the moon let alone mars, so we will need radio for communication there. Same for sattelites.
Yup and at the speed of light our signals have not gone very far, as far as stellar distances go, and likely habitable systems in that range and of those systems a very slight chance that anyone exists at the right time to detect us.
I was literally thinking this during the part of the video the dude said we make too much noise lol
for all we know our signal could have been detected.. what if right now a advanced race is coming to us.. and those UFO sightings are scouts? to observe and learn everything about us..
nuh uh
Most people don't understand just how big space is. This makes me think we could be on quark level for some unimaginably big dimension.
MIB played with this idea in the first movie.
We definitely could be. If we were we definitely wouldn't know it.
@@IsaacPiezac . . . They should send that car back, but from exactly the other direction. . .
Our universe is an atom
Adam and Eve - Atom and Eeeeelectron
Everything we need as humans is here in this place we call Earth. It's not that you're not allowed to go anywhere else it's that you don't need to.
It’s not just the size of the universe that people need to consider, we also need to think about time. We would need life to form close enough to us within the minuscule length of time that we are around. Then for that life to be as developed or more developed than we are. The odds must be so small for all of those factors to align (but not impossible)
I tend to go with the idea that Fermi is said to have suggested: advanced technological civilizations just aren't long-lived enough. They use up and/or ruin their system before they get far enough to gather additional resources from other star systems.
Agree. The universe is vast. We have advanced from horse and carriage to space rockets and AI in 200 years, a micro second on the cosmic clock. In 10 microseconds we will have either vanished or transcended beyond recognition. Civilisations are like shortlived sparks. How could we possibly coexist with other similar civilisations nearby, in the same time frame. Statistically very unlikely.
That reflects who we are and our eventual unfortunate destiny if we do no stop wealth based hierarchy !
The best thing that could happen to our species is to find out we are either alone or among the very first intelligent lifeforms in the Universe (or at least our Galaxy). Out of all the theories surrounding possible intelligent life in the universe, the dark forest is the one that makes by far the most logical sense, and we should thread very very lightly moving forward as we look to expand outwards from Earth.
If we look at life in general, there are major patterns that go from the molecular level all the way up to the galactic level. Life is by nature a consumer. Life can only continue if it consumes. To achieve spaceflight, a species must overcome their local ecology and become the top predator. In doing so, over millions of years, they would likely develop a "consume or die" mentality. They also may have evolved in a way in which their morality about the value of life is completely opposite of ours. In such a case, for example, if they breed like spiders and have hundreds of offspring multiple times a year, it's likely they have more mouths to feed than they can afford. Life to them may be cheap and meaningless because it's so abundant. So they may arrive here, see all these awesome resources, and not give a single rip about wiping us off the face of the Earth while we're yelling "but what about the CHILDREN!!!". They quite literally might not care an ounce and our morality would be so different that there's no way to reason or negotiate with them. I've no doubt there is at least one of these civilizations out there, willing to consume the entire galaxy and not blink an eye at the complete destruction of everything in their path.
Unless we are alone because intelligent life destroys itself once it develops the technology to do so.
@@nedames3328 That's not very plausible. In a seemingly infinite universe it's difficult to contemplate what kinds of morals and ethics an alien civilization may develop, their drive for progress may be orchestrated by a hive mind connection, or by completely different morals and ethics that would make them almost infallible to self destruction. It is, in my humble opinion, a fools errand to try to accurately guess what an alien civilization may look and behave like, reason why we should adopt the dark forest theory as we move forward as a species.
@@nedames3328 Which unfortunately would have to be an absolute and when dealing with very large numbers, such as the odds of all life in the entire universe all committing tech suicide, seems pretty absurd to consider.
The dark forest theory is the one where there’s like a super race if aliens that destroys other intelligent life right?
Your opening sentence said it all. There is none in all of the solar systems we are unique and no other planet has life. If life happens by the simple force of nature it would be everywhere.