Subaru electric car gets permanently stuck to an EV charger
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- Subaru electric car gets permanently stuck to an EV charger
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"A guy bought a Subaru EV... " There's your problem right there. A joint venture with Toyota who are anti-EV is probably not the best move you can make.
Arc Welding is a very effective way to bond two surfaces together.
I had a similar thing with my Nissan Ariya, the charger plug was stuck to a fast charger. After many phone calls to Nissan and ChargePoint my dealer realized that my wife who was sitting in the car had the second key fob in her purse that was in the car. When the second key fob was removed from inside of the car I was able to release the charger plug.
Poor guy. I especially feel for the frustration for what must've been 16 or more fruitless calls to level one support where the assumption is always an error on the part of the owner/operator with unhelpful solutions like "Have you tried unplugging it?" and "Maybe give it a little tug. Sometimes it needs a bit of a tug."
Thanks, Sam! Just last week, at an Electrify America charger , I helped a Kia owner troubleshoot this very thing.
It seems that if there is a mismatch between the charger and the car, like when a previous customer aborts the charge, they will lock up.
Our solution was to turn the Kia off and then cycle the key fob six times. Then it released.
It took about 30 minutes of brain busting cogitation to find the solution.
Last week I saw a MG EV that would not unplug and the owner had to lift the bonnet (hood) and manually release the cable with a leaver.
If there is a good contact between the DC pins in the plug and socket before charging is started there should be no problem. If the power is applied as the plug is being inserted or removed arcing could weld the contacts.
Charging my S recently I had occasion to use myCs2 > Tesla adapter and the two got jammed together, but just through infinitesimal clearances- needed two strong folk to pull them apart. Since then I keep a wooden spatula with a bit of foam stuck to the end and a silicone aerosol can in the car - just a quick wipe over the mating parts before connecting and they come adrift instantly with a tug.
@ElectricViking: Sam, I love your videos, but you should check/dampen your microphone. It picks up low freq. thumps/bumps, which on proper speakers sounds like someone is trying to kick in the door ;-)
Perhaps the charging cable wasn't appropriately rated for the charger and EV / battery combination.
Cheers mate for the little giggle
May be the charger and the car did like each other so much... that they didn't want anything or anybody to separate them! For ever...❤
"When a female charge connector and a male charge connector love each other very, very much..."
Happened to me the first time I went to charge at DC charger in my Atto 3, 18 months ago. Luckily the manual tells you about the manual release cable under the frunk to release the pin.
Hyundai and Kia get stuck so often that they designed a cable in side the front hood to pull on to unstuck the connection cable
...so they also don't know how to design proper charging electronics.
That's when you get normally stuck, lots of EVs have that. This guy had the charge port actually melt and glue itself to the cable.
Never gotten stuck ever with my Kia. But what’s wrong with that system? Sounds good to me to have a backup solution.
in my experience, it's usually the charger's fault if you get sick to it, and a charger reboot fixed it. @chillfluencer
@@paulgoudfrooij6561 Tesla also have a mamual cable inside the rear trunk near the charging port.
Current EVs are like plasma screens...it's better to wait for the (O)LED, 4K screens to arrive.
Well, it may have something to do with certain manufacturers coming out with their first EV now. 🙄 If you want a reliable EV, look for second or third generation EVs from those that have done it for 5-10 years.
So are you still watching an black and white CRT TV? I thought not.
Close all doors, press lock twice on the kyfob and press unlock once. This helped me remove the charging gun from the car a few times.
Perhaps the EV super charger could do an auto calibration charge, in order to veryify a propper power cable connection, before applying full power. This would be a software controlled process between the EV battery management system and the super charger. If it detects insufficient voltage and current flow at specific charge settings, it could flag a warning to ensure propper cable connection. As someone mentioned a poorly connected charge cable could result in arcing and fusing of the charge connection pins. This could result because the poor pin connection does not provide adequate current flow, resulting in execessive heat build up where the pins connect.
This approach might effectively prevent the risks of arcing and fusing by ensuring that only well-established connections proceed to full power charging.
There have been a few reported this on the Mini Cooper S E group where the plug release won’t let go but no one has reported plugs melted onto the pins. Contacting Mini Assistance revealed that there is a system for cycling the remote vehicle locking and unlocking where after so many cycles the plug will release from the car. There is also a setting in the car’s charging set up menu to set the plug to automatically release on completion of charging but it’s off the bottom of the menu and you have to scroll up 2m lines to see it! It worked for me when my Mini refused to release my home charger plug from the port for over an hour - after that I left the setting to auto release on charge completion.
Yes I lost my wallet in Croatia also be a pick pocketer, I soon realised this is very common in Croatia, as a Aussie that keeps his wallet in his back pocket.
Yes. You experience this everywhere in whole EU. The police hardly have time for these types of crimes. The perpetrators are often released within an hour. It is a matter of give and "take". People get used to it.
When are you doing a video about the new Tesla price cuts in Australia? A Model Y for $55,900 now? Wow Wee!
It's proof that Subaru is good at sticking. It normaly sticks well to the road, now with this new feature it sticks to the charger.
It's just another of Subaru/Toyota's way of dissuading people from adopting electric cars.
Just like Toyota advocates impractical hydrogen energy.
You appear to agree with my assessment that Toyota and Suburu would have merged already if they weren't afraid of antitrust. They are doing so much technology sharing that they are basically the same company now (which is not a bad thing, they are the best car company, they just suck at EVs).
Dissuading people from buying EVs from Subaru or Toyota maybe.
Had a less severe problem with the Bolt... you have to "push in" a little bit to make it let go. I forget who told me, but I don't think it was in the *Manual*! ;-) Maybe not specific to Bolts...?
All EVs/PHEVs have charging connector locks. As a general rule, all electromechanical systems should have a manual backup system to open/close them. But I don't think my RAV4 Prime has a manual override; if the electronics go bad, I don't think there is any way of disconnecting it. Toyota needs to work on that!
I had a version of this with a gas (LPG) station, whilst I could disconnect the receptacle on my car, it refused to properly seal with quite a bit of gas escaping. it did eventually quieten down and I was able to leave. I followed some advice of giving it a few short blasts of gas at another station to clear any contaminants, however this was tricky as I had filled the tank at the previous outlet.
A week or so later I visited the problematic gas pump again, same issue, although this time I didn't attempt a full fill so as to give me room to fix it as I did previously.
So blow their cheaper prices, there is obviously some invisible contaminates in their system, the discounted price is not worth the hassles. Bring on the cheaper EV's that I can afford.
I’ve seen it a few times with the at home chargers. The cars will get towed in with the charger still attached…
My ev6 has a manual release inside the boot, behind a panel.
Did they confirm melting? Did they hear rhe servos deactivate? If servos do not disconnect, you can sometimes use an unlock mechanism from under the hood.
Freak lemon case
I don't believe that this is a Subaru problem. Any electric car can do that. There was likely electrical arching from one surface to another causing it to actually arch weld the charger to the car. There is a dielectric grease that is designed to prevent that.
The word is ‘arc’…
Thats just the locking pin jamming. Our ioniq did that in 2019. Hyundai had to replace the ccs socket with locking mechanism.
There is a manual release... although it is a POS made by ATOYOT rebadged as scuby
The video said that the plastic around the charge plug melted and glued itself to the charger.
A Rivian in California did a while ago. He yanked on the plug and ended up Arc Welding the DC Fast Charger points solid. You wouldn't pull out the gas nozzle while it is flowing soooooo ????
How, there are 2 com connection. Any interuption will kill the hand shake and kill the power
Subaru and Toyota have a locking latch for charging plug as DC type CCS1 or 2 as its smaller AC part on the top.
Toyota RAV4 Prime locks its only available plug choice on AC creating problems with unlatching.
In that particular case the CCS2 plug had issues making it unable to unlatch that poor designed CCS2 port on Subaru.
Those 2 EVs from ToyoBaru or SubaYota should be used as intended by creators as local commute EVs usable only with AC charging. Those should be used in Villages of Florida, huge golf oriented communities of retirees who do need a local Lexus like vehicle to shuffle around and charge only home using an 220 V AC plug.
Tesla latches into its NACS connector by design but never happened a fused together situation like in this case.
was it not grounded and welded itself to the charger?
Did you see the reddit model x guy who went to the tesla supercharger this week, the posts inside were damaged n basically blew out his car and toasted it.
Called tesla n had it towed, they want him to fork out 3k+
Sparks the conversation of whos liable even connecting a tesla to a tesla charger , wild stuff!
Funnily enough, I've never heard of a petrol/diesel pump nozzle getting stuck in the car - requiring the entire car/pump having to be towed to the repair shop... 😂
I guess that's progress for you.
You must unlock the doors of the Subaru Soltera to uncouple or detach from any charger. I'm sure they thought of that.
Morning mate
I have heard of it on UA-cam channels
I rented a Chevy bolt 2019.and was stuck on a charger for about an hour until it released itself
Japan car quality aint what it used to be 😢
Japan corporations are not Japan corporations used to be. There are a lot of fraudulence when it comes to quality and financial records.
Japanese manufacturers hate EVs, including EVs made in Japan.
This isn't a Subaru problem.
so it over heated and welded itself together 😂.
I had this happen with a home wall outlet, pretty easy fix you can do it yourself. Replace the outlet and plug on the appliance.
Now to fix this on your car... That's a lot of damage 😂.
No one could find a saw? Just cut the cable and drive to the nearest Subaru repair shop. What the heck did they do to his poor car?
I have a size 10 boot that could disconnect it quickly. Damages? Yes.
Happening to ioniq 6 and ev6 from what I see on reddit
press those red emergency button at the charger and cut the cable?
Yes, but if there is any volts on that lead, maybe back fed from the EV, the resultant kaboom will make a stuck connector the least of your worries.
You need a cutter that can do the job with you no where near, and who has something like that in their boot? Maybe a large calibre firearm.....
Happens all the time, but other cars have a working emergency release.
The video said that the plastic around the charge plug melted and glued itself to the charger. How can a release cable possibly fix that?
Imagine the idle fee.
You know that there is electricity going through that plug and socket right. Be careful how you handle it especially in wet conditions, or you might get more than just a arc weld.
Tritium charger?
Obviously the Subaru charging electronics are trash...which led to the charger getting welded to the connector. This means for a short time a way too high current flowed for a short time.
Doesn’t surprise me with Subaru. My recent 2 year nightmare with their ICE WRX eyesight system failures indicate they are no longer an engineering company. I have not driven my Subaru in 6 months - largely due to their electronic issues.
Why on earth you would buy a joint Subaru/Toyota EV when they are so slow, inefficient and expensive is beyond me. My Subaru is being sold (when I get it back) for a Tesla.
That must’ve cost a fortune in idle fees.
because of 'the ecology' = the environment (not the economy)
Maybe he did mean ecology as in save the ecology.
EV manufacturers could have kept cost of ownership low, chose not to do it
Need an analog, manual way to remove
Just read a story where a guy claimed a Supercharger fried his onboard charger. I don’t know how that would happen.
Sounds bollocks to me since the onboard charger is only used for AC charging and not when connected to a supercharger.
Makes for a good story down the pub though, to them get shared on anti EV media.
Have you never used a stick welder and got the stick, stuck to the, what you were welding??
Yes, but letting it all cool down then using a hacksaw might not be advisable at an EV charger.
How do you make sure there is no volts on that cable
@@paulstubbs7678 yeah, I understand, but my comment wasn't a 'what to do in this instance' it was in response to Viking saying "he's never heard of anything like this happening".
Then he used the 'kid kissing a frozen pole and getting stuck' analogy - I thought the welder was a far closer analogy here.
Plug Captivus.
😂😂😂😂
Dumb and Dumber. 😅
(The tongue on ice analogy)
Poor guy though
EV is all about software so if I would be in this situation I would have powered off the car and then disconnected the 12V battery for at elast 5 minutes to ensure all the firmwares in the car was dead, then power on the car again. This will reset all the car's controller and reset any buggy firmwares that might be in the car.
I actually have experienced the oposite, on a trip last summer my MG ZS EV refused to start charging. I tried all the 5 CCS charges at the location, 50kW, 75kW and 150kW, none was working, the car did not detect them it seems. I tried a AC charger and the car actually charged (but that would take 5-6 hours !!). After I have checked and tried everything possible, and a lot of thinking, I went to a gas station and borrowed a tool so I managed to disconnect the 12V battery for 10 minutes. After powered back on eveything works as it should...
Ah, nothing like a total power off reboot of the system, it wouldn't be the first time I found a soft restart was not good enough, a total power off and start from scratch is sometimes the only way
The video said that the plastic around the charge plug melted and glued itself to the charger. How can a reboot fix that?
The competition is still coming right?
Photos look fake. How did they remove the panel without removing charger cable. Also car on the back of the truck looks ok. Haven’t been able to find this story anywhere else. I think this is a case of speaking fake news on Subaru/Toyota
Many media in Croatia reported on this... I doubt it was fake, Subaru would sue this guy :) I felt a bit sorry for him, as he believes Subaru are quality cars (which they generally are) - but doesn't realise this isn't actually a Subaru. I hope someone does enough research so as to find out if this was a car or a charger caused issue
@@vgbyte1648You are right, his previous cars were an Impreza, a Tribeca and an Outback. He believed this one is of the same quality.
Nothing new about this! Used to see this all the time with electric forklift trucks. The connector pins and/ or terminations get hot, melt and weld together. Surprised i havent heard more about this considering the voltages and amperages present in fast chargers. The connectors will eventually loosen and probably overheat in most evs
'Best laid plans' . . . 😢
Hopefully the underlying cause is found and addressed.
Cut the cable was easier
All EV's have a locking system with a mechanical pin/latch/whatever for emergency release.............read the manual
Why would anyone want to put up with this? Smh
Obvs not *permanently* stuck because there it is on a low-loader…. Dirty contacts…
Strange that the car panel appears to have been removed while the charge cable remains attached....
Is the fender still with the cable since how would they get the fender off with the cable thru the ev door?
@@nicholasmuni7995 Exactly, seems fake to me.
@@nicholasmuni7995 Never heard of an angle grinder or metal shears?
Cut around charge port and then remove guard with hole in it over the cable.
Not much else you could do if you wanted to access behind it really.
@@oldbloke204 How would that be relevant to this supposed situation?
@@rogermckenzie2711 Which part didn't you understand?
They would have had to get the guard off to check what was going on underneath and I detailed how they would have done that didn't I?
Seems you would rather go down the path of everything you don't like/understand being fake when there's a simple answer?
Strange.
Poor referee. In football ball terms it's like an own goal!!
Sledgehammer?
This is not reliable info..no video to prove it..and if you pay attention the person trying to get his plug unstuck is Nissan Arya not Solterra...I won Solterra with over 53000KM..used DC charging before and never had issues
That happened to me too. It took me 3 months to free my car.
4:05 ecology.
so what he is saying is he likes EV because its good for environment, and also because it is peppy.
Until they standardise the recharge sockets as ICE did with their fuel nozzles electric cars are a complete joke. Having to have an adapter to suit the different suppliers is why some people think EVs are too much trouble.
In this case an adapter would have been a god-send. Pug in adapter, plug charger into adapter. Charger welds itself to adapter. Remove adapter and have charger vendor buy you a new adapter, as yours is permanently welded to their unit.
It actually had happened with a Tesla Model X, a while back, several years ago in Florida, when they were escaping a hurricane. The issue was due to fully depleting the HV battery, when the LV battery also failed(wrong timing🤞). Got resolved, when the almost to be towed vehicle(in the tow truck), was left to charge for a few hours. YT video, with the first person account of the incident( ua-cam.com/video/bCjQBgLds8Q/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared ). Tesla has been there and done that!🙂❤👍
Tesla's competition is coming All over them self 😂😂😂
Is it a Japanese EV, or is it a Chinese EV with a Subaru sticker on it?
Typical EV bad design by company engineers that thing EV is the same as 12V battery power distribution. They probably melted the under-sized conductors on the charge port connector. another big manufacturer name starting with an F had contactors on the battery melting down when people drove with heavy foot. so they "fixed" it by a software update that limits the acceleration rate or battery discharge current demand. Nice now people have a stalion named car that is as slow as a pony or ICe to accelerate. except for Tesla I don;t think the EVs coming out in a hurry are being well designed/tested and will last more than 5 to 10 years. Let alone the range anxiety to charge them.
😂
Battery Swap is the way to go
Nope.
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Well without a doubt there's enough voltage, and amperage, to weld it in place... But the plastic will probably melt before it gets to that point. If it doesn't make good contact or is not scrupulously clean and there's resistance. You need really really good contact for that kind of amperage. .. any resistance and it's game over . I would assume chargers and receptacles have silver components....
It shows you they hadn't even started to work the bugs out of this crap yet....... Not robust enough
The connectors are silver plated, often with graphite in with some of the latest plating solutions. These are high conductivity coatings with excellent abrasion resistance so last a lot longer than silver plating alone.
Tesla chargers are better than the one that welded itself in place. If that happened with a Tesla charger, it would be all over the news, LOL
@@FLPhotoCatcher probably so but one day most chargers will not be Tesla.... And even today many Tesla chargers are broken at any given time so they're not all that.
. There's going to be hundreds of thousands or millions of chargers that aren't Tesla. They truly need to be made to military grade standards.
Id say it was due to poor design of the charging connections, most likely have over heated and welded the metal contacts to the charger contacts.
Moral of the story: buy a Tesla.
🤪it is after all the generic Toyota abomination that all the Japanese auto are re badging as their own 😂😂😂
Maybe buy a Tesla and use Tesla charging stations.
EVs are shite. I've never seen a petrol pump nozzle get stuck in a car.
Yes I did either ut I’ve seen people over fill and drive off too with the nozzle in the filler .😂😂🤣😂😂🤣
Another reason not to buy an ev!
Long live the EV dream, I mean nightmares. EV's are going nowhere!!
Wrong channel dude. Conspiracy theory channels are in abundance if you want to look elsewhere
This is only minor. It is not like the Exon Valdez or the Deepwater Horizon or the Wheatley (Ontario) explosion or the Kalamazoo disaster or the Lac Magnantic train wreck or the Ohio........Well F*ck wadda you think? Gas sucks and you know it.
Horse buggy manufacturers said the same thing when the first cars came out. Roads were crap, fuel was hard to find and they were very unreliable.
I bought a Prius, thinking that hybrids were a bad idea. I was correct: They should have left out the gas engine! The electric part of the car is zero maintenance compared to the gas part...
So many problems with EVs no wonder everyone is avoiding it or regret buying it.
What a foolish thing to say, 25million EVs in use, one gets stuck. DISASTER!!!!!!
@@Wandering_Bear I want to buy one but it's not viable to do Uber in Michigan,
Give me one model that works in Michigan or cold places,
It's ok for a casual driver go for it.
I guess you mean there’s no enough high speed charging there?
As for EVs in cold places- over 80 percent of new cars sold in Norway are battery electric vehicles 😮. The most popular model there is the Tesla Model Y
I'm waiting to get all those 'child sickness' problems solved.
@@ahmd-mi9964 Sodium batteries charge better when it's cold, just wait a couple years. You will need to charge more often, EV's don't produce heat like fossil fuel cars, so you need to use battery charge to get the temp inside the car acceptable.