I got my Subaru Solterra in late December 2022. In early July it would not start, called dealer, said it was probably the 12-volt batter. We jump-started it, then left the charger on until fully charged. OK until early August it happened again. Took it to dealer, they tested the 12-volt and found it was not holding a charge, and will replace the battery (that was yesterday, waiting for the battery to arrive and be installed). Other than that, I love my Solterra and get lots of compliments (it's red, very sharp looking). We do not pay for electricity to charge it as we have an oversized solar panel system for our house, which also provides enough power to charge the Solterra, and also some left-over to sell back to the power company - this is the only way to go for EV owners to the grid is not over-taxed by EV owners.
The only problem with that side is that it will have to have some kind of protection against over-draining the big battery. I have a small-brand cheap EV, and it does top the 12V off from the HV. As a small/efficient vehicle, its HV is only 20 kWh. And it has a surprising amount of vampire drain. So it will drop 5-10% a week just sitting. Park it at low SoC, and forget to plug it in for a week? You may have just killed the HV battery. (Yes, I did that early in COVID. Forgot to plug it in, came back to it after a week, it was dead as a doornail. Even jumpboxing the 12V circuit wouldn't bring it back to life, it was throwing HV errors and refused to charge. It had to go back to the manufacturer to get fixed. (Thankfully under warranty.) Now if I'm going to park it for more than a week, I use the 12V disconnect function.
Many legacy manufactures are used to an alternator to charge a 12V battery , and designed their EV to only charge the 12V (via inverter) only when on. The second problem is that they fit a smaller 12V battery since it does not need to start an ICE engine with cranking, and there is the new features being added to all cars that drain the battery when parked. Most of the new EV companies (Tesla etc) realised that the 12V battery needs charging at intervals all the time - hence we see the "vampire drain", and for Tesla this is about 1 mile/day in temperate temperatures, but rises above 30degC, and below 5degC when sentry is off. Rivian has too much vampire drain as they don't turn enough equipment when off - but the 12V does not die. At the other end we see the old leaf has no vampire drain and does not flattern its 12V battery as has littler technology that needs to be keep awake on park. Just remember folks, all ICE cars will have a similar problem as more "features" are added - as the drain for all cars from the 12V battery is no different between ICE and EV for the same number of keep-awake features. Finally - if you run apps that communicate with ANY car ICE or EV, then you will keep that car awake.
It's funny that this is the exact same problem my mother has with her Smart Car purchased over 10 years ago; glad to see car companies are learning from mistakes of the past . . . [I hope the sarcasm is obvious].
Majority of the 12v issues were with the first cars that were delivered because they sat for months waiting the recall. My daily driver (Solterra) has been perfectly fine. Longest I left it for was a week when I went on vacation (twice) and there was no issues when I returned either time.
Yep, the OBD2 dongle should have very low power draw (a few milliamps at most I reckon). But it is possible that the dongle was keeping some other systems in the vehicle awake that normally are not. Not probable, but possible.
Great to hear the type of issues a car might have when it's new. They'll get it fix. Looking forward for the video. And great to see you getting better on your health. Cheers.
I have a 2022 Hyundai Ioniq EV(one of the last cars produced) and I can confirm that they fixed this 12V battery issue. The DC DC inverter is coming on by itself and charges the 12V. I have the car from August 2022 and no dead battery until now. I had the car sitting for a few days and had no problems.
Dead 12v batteries is also a common problem on Focus Electrics. Back when I considered buying one, it was pretty sad and funny how all their service histories consisted of around 2 or 3 tow truck rides to the dealer before being sold.
And here I thought upgrading from my 13 year old Prius would mean I wouldn't necessarily need to keep a jumpstarter in my car for a long time... Glad to know this from Out of Spec and not finding out the hard way. Thanks!
@@Urbanbeneluxwould him recognizing this make the car work? Or would he still have had this issue? Getting a bad battery from the factory in a $50k car should not be a “vlogger didn’t know” situation.
I"ve been driving a Hyundai Kona for 2.5 years and my Ioniq 5 now for about 1.5 years. Both cars always had an OBD2 reader plugged in 24/7/365 and I never had the 12V battery die. Both cars were/are also signed up on the recurrent website which queries the cars (typically) once a day for battery state. Again, never any issues on both of my cars.
Not really. This vlogger just doesn't recognise what a bad 12V looks like. They don't hold charge. It's a press car, some journalist who had the car before probably killed the 12V battery somehow.
Apparently "it's probably the 12v" is a universal EV problem. It was a notorious issue with the BMW i3 community after 3-5 years of ownership or a harsh winter.
Correct, since Teslal just put a good LFP battery in it that also has so many cycles it will last the same life as the car. Which solved the issue. Tesla solved it..
Veepeak dongles always stay on, which not only keeps many modules awake, but a live diagnostic port might prevent the auto-recharge of the 12V battery in some car brands - to avoid risk of electric shock from the HV system to the service personnel working on vehicle. A long hybrid experience...
I understand that the IONIQ 5 was due to persistent polling of the vehicle remotely while parked. The use of the 12VDC battery to support this communication was over the top and Hyundai restricted that. I have found my 12VDC charging while the vehicle had been idle for some time so my guess is the latest update to the 2023 vehicle (a month ago) has tightened up that behind the scenes charging. Those early days rush to market issues I’m so thankful to have missed. I understand the need to get the IONIQ 5 in S Korea before the Tesla’s were unloaded at the port but here is the residual historical blemish that is no longer affecting any updated units. 💯
Andrew Till (see UA-cam channel) had one of the limited edition launch Ionic5 models and covered his 12v drain saga. Eventually had a BMS update in 2022 which introduced a better 12v monitoring capability to overcome 12v battery drain. Causes he found were that sitting in the car would draw power, Utility mode would draw power, “Welcome mode” (Where car unlocks when walking by with keys on person) would draw power.
My Kia Niro EV 2019, after three years ownership, its 12v battery just died overnight... Had to recharge it to full and hopefully it will maintain decent charge for foreseeable future. (Took it to my dealer and they tested it and said battery was good, go figure).
I had a similar issue with my e-Golf as I left the OBD dongle plugged in. It kept many control-devices powered on and didn’t let them go to sleep. After unplugging it, it had no problem at all. So really possible it’s the OBD dongle, not by itself but by the effects it has on the car.
These 12v issues on EVs remind me of how RC cars used to be before they devised how to power everything off the 'big' battery. The BEC (battery eliminator circuit) would negate the need to lug another cluster of AA's in your car like back in the 80's (or a Nitro vehicle), when you already have a 6 or 7 cell NiCad or NiMH. Now everything runs off one big battery pack through the ESC. Why haven't the big car manufacturers figured this out yet?
The safety concerns of a large 400V battery are much more severe. There are contactors which need continuous active power to keep the HV battery connected. In a collision or other damage, the HV battery needs to be disconnected but the rest of the computer and systems should stay on. Also the computer needs to boot up and test the circuits for faults before connecting the HV battery. Longer term the solution (already starting to be adopted by a few automakers, Porsche Taycan, and all Tesla models now) is a lithium ion low voltage battery which has much better longevity and charging characteristics suitable for an EV.
My 2020 RAV4 hybrid did this to me regularly. To the point where I always carried a jump pack with me, which saved me from being stranded several times.
One hour for UA-cam left to process. Already late in the day so wanted to get this up! What do you guys think? Carry as 12 volt jump box with you or hope it doesn’t happen too often?
There are some interesting and reasonably priced battery backup options for EVs in various situations. I would like to see some reviews on ones that can provide power or a few miles of range in a pinch. We also know that towing can add some juice. Any products that can rotate the wheels could be useful.
@@crtmojo2705 We in America are supposed to be embracing our conservative past. I guess it's time to start parking our cars on hills so startup can be assured, just like we did pre-sixties.
@@douglas_drew I still drive a manual. Popping the clutch when it’s dead is a life saver! We had to learn carburetors and then fuel injected; now we gotta learn about energy density and software and hardware.
In IONIQ 5 loads of owners have had same issue, related to Bluelink, I believe. However my understanding is that ~ no one has a problem as long as they keep the car from sitting for extended periods of time under 30% SoC. I’ve never once had the issue.
Just because the OBD reader uses a low amount of energy, it could be keeping other modules alive, draining the battery. The DCDCs should still kick in though.
I always have my trusty jump starters in my vehicles at all times. I have used them a few times for myself but often times when I see someone struggling at a store, or on and off ferries here in WA. I can quickly attach and press the button and they're off. I use a 3000mah matco tools jumper. I spent the last few weeks in a Soltera as my Ascent was repaired and no real issues (range could be better and at 6'4 the roof is a bit short for me) but had my jumper still. I am going to ask my significant other who works for Subaru and see if they have a fix. I actually am considering trading my Ascent and getting a Soltera so now I'm wanting more info
Had this problem with Kona at just over two years. Put a new different 12V batt in, has not happened again. Tip, carry the 12V backup lithium as suggested, but don't buy cheep. £70 minimum cost for a quality one.
I’ve had my Solterra since the end of last year. Since I travel away from home often, it sometimes sits for 2 weeks without use. I’ve not had any issues with this issue or the car at all. Love the Solterra!
Hi Scott, I live in the UK and I have been driving my Solterra for just over 6 months. During the winter the car sat for 3 weeks at temperatures well below zero and there was no problem with the 12 volt battery and up until now everything's been fine. Subaru do say in the manual if you are doing things with the car such as cleaning the inside etc., you should leave it power on. Listening to the radio for approximately 15 mins I have had a warning telling me that the 12 volt battery could go flat and to power up the vehicle. I bought a12 volt battery monitor that plugs into the 12 v socket which shows the state of charge while the car is powered which is usually 14.5 volts. As soon as I switch the car off the monitor starts to drop to around 12.5 volts. I have had many Subarus over the years and like yourself I really love the car. Happy motoring.
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For Hyundai/Kia/Genesis, the 12V accessory battery will recharge if the main traction battery is above 30%. It looks like the same is so for the bz4x. Since you left the car at a low 20% SOC, this make sense why the 12V didn't recharge (because of the % recharge threshold). Not convenient at all, but you might have been the one that killed the battery by not determining what that minimum % SOC should be when you leave that car sitting.
My 2022 Kia NIro EV had this issue and it drained the battery so many times I ended up having to replace the 12v because it got to a point where it could no longer hold a charge.
Different folks have different tolerances for anesthetics as well as procedures. thankfully I had general anesthesia when I had what was left of my teeth removed, 2 implants and full dentures. I would not have made it had it just been a local.
@@The_DuMont_Network yeah. Thankfully i didn’t feel much. When I got the prescription for the painkillers afterwards I was thinking that maybe it wasn’t so bad until the injections wore off. Holy crap. Never have I swallowed pills that fast. Also got some to inhibit coughing or something so I didn’t destroy the stitches. Anyway the pills worked great for me. Can’t remember when I last gave gone to bed without pain somewhere. But I couldn’t feel a thing. 😂
Oh heck, my old 2012 Leaf drains the 12-volt if I leave the charge cable attached for any period. Found that out the hard way. I'm sure Toyota will get it sorted.
Toyota had the same issue on the latest Sienna (2021) during the early release, "VAMPIRE ISSUE" . They were able to correct the problem the following year.
8:05 I wish EV's were smart enough to engage the Main Pack. My Tesla Model 3's battery just died, andI got locked out, had to jump it, etc. I agree, it seems like the 12volt system should be able to detect dropping voltage and engage the main battery automatically to prevent this, and just give you a warning that 12v needs to be replaced.
I owned (briefly) a 2022 Kona EV that had 12v Battery issues, this is not new with EV's and should not really be a problem anymore, good lord do these manufacturers, you know, plan? Thanks for the videos!
Funny, I watched this video last night. Today I went out to try to start my Prius Prime and suffered the same problem; I had not been doing anything which should have drained the battery and the car is only three months old.
I had same issue with my old Prius where a new 12v battery was replaced by Toyota dealer two months back. I jump started and took it to same dealer and he checked it and kept the car overnight and replaced it with a new battery. I just got the car back today. So far so good but I will find out soon if that fixes the issue.
Yup our solterra 12v battery died, they replaced it. Edited: we did not have any accessory like OBD2.reader or anything. Also, this is after the 'patch'. When you mention the AWD system- and in many other reviews i dont see it mentioned either- the AWD system that actually works really well in eneven road conditions actually is *always* useful in inclement weather, on the road. So this is a safe EV. Arguably one of the safest from that point of view.
I wonder if a previous reviewer let the 12V battery go totally dead somehow , thus killing the 12V battery. Once that happens, they will charge up again but barely have any capacity.
Very interesting because, we own our 4th Prius. At times we will come out to the Prius and the main power battery will be down to one bar out of 5 bars. It has always started but this sounds similar to your issue? Hope you have very little pain! Love the videos.
This was happening to me with my RAV4 plug-in when it went back to the dealer for investigation they said the rear window was down ever so slightly triggering the immobiliser, thus draining the 12v battery I’ve had no problems ever since.
Honestly, GF got the 2024 model and the updates are making a huge difference. Granted, she just got it so we did not experience all the situations. But it'll still do 85 kw at the third recharge. Of course, we're in the end of summer. But really, waiting 5 more minutes (let's say 7 to be pessimistic) than the average Model Y is not a big deal if you think you'll have a long lasting vehicle that doesn't have paint peeling problems...or a CEO endorsing Trump problem. I saw the video you put on the channel for the 2024 model. I don't want to sound harsh because i'm sure you're working hard on your content, but it's pretty incomplete. Of course, Toyota is probably responsible for the half-ass day of test drive, I know. But yeah...not sure how much it has actual meaningful info. May I suggest you try to get your hand on a 2024 again and have a real spin? Because what you report with the 2023 model ain't at all how the 2024 car in my driveway acts. Not at all. P.S.: Thanks for shitting on the BZ4X. Because of the bad press, GF got a solid car and successfully chopped down the price with piled up discounts and a very low interest rate. Keep on shitting on it! ;)
I have a 2018 Kia Niro hybrid and it doesn't have a 12v battery, instead a section of the 48v battery for the hybrid drive train is sectioned off for the 12v system and in the event that it is depleted there is a 12v reset button that will use the main battery to recharge it. Why don't all the EV makers do this?
Geez. From all the negative reviews and the fact that Toyota has been clearly anti - ev, is there any chance they made a bad ev on purpose? I know people exaggerate issues for clicks but this seems like a class action lawsuit waiting to happen based on all the negative media coverage.
Well...we have the same issue with our Toyota Highlander Hybrid, so not holding up hope that Toyota will address it anytime soon. And discovered that people are afraid to help jump the car, so we keep a portable jumper in the car. It's been an issue for close to 15 years. We had the problem in our 2009 Highlander Hybrid and in the newer 2022 Highlander Hybrid. The first time it happened I "jumped" it with an old computer PSU. It just needed enough power to initialize the computer to engage the high voltage to 12v converter.
I currently own the 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 limited. I’ve had it since November 4. Knock on wood so far so good. I originally reserved the Solterra in February 2022. Had to cancel due to the recall on a potential wheels falling off issue. This would’ve been my 6th Subaru. I’m still a Subaru fan. Subaru and Toyota started late on the EV bandwagon. Both vehicles have a ton of great features, but lacks range and rapid charging time. Till they get their act together, I might reconsider in the future. This has been a total embarrassment. I travel from Baltimore to New York often and these 2 vehicles would’ve been a disaster. Low range and long rapid charging time. I’ve taken the Hyundai Ioniq 5 to to New York and back to Baltimore with no problems. The 12 volt issue I haven’t experienced since it happened on the 2022 model year. I think Hyundai may have fixed the problem on the 2023 models.
The same thing happen to my ICE rav4 , it’s their telematics / always connected services. It’s always hunting for connections and created a battery drain. Looks like them starting to create the subscription service model is impacting their reliability cred.
Kyle, I live in the UK. My Mum had a Yaris hybrid and this happened to her car no less than three times. She has now got rid of her Yaris hybrid and gone back to petrol engined car.
Toyota has known about this since 2006 Prius. If the voltage drops below a level it shuts down all. Hybrids most of them have this issue. Tesla as well until the lithium 12vt battery solved that issue. Toyota cuts costs and this is what you get.
Thank you for this review. It is a great help for those considering a purchase. Toyota is really struggling to get into the EV space. For a company known for its quality, they don't appear to be able to deliver an EV that can be trusted. Fortunately, this defect should be easy to fix. Nevertheless, they are slipping on quality control and need to do better. In the near term, Toyota electrics will need to be carefully scrutinized. Thankfully, we have channels like yours that will cut through the hype and put consumers on alert for problems.
Kyle, I have been hearing the Kia EV6 is also been having a 12V problem. I hope Kia gets their’s fixed soon because I have one on order. Question: did you ever do a full review of the 2023 Kia Sportage PHEV (that you “promised” a year ago)? I haven’t been able to find it. The Prestige version is on my wish list for our travel car. It will replace a 2015 Lexus RX350.
Model X Plaid 2022. Went on a long vacation. Left car at hotel and with sentry mode enabled the car 16v battery died. Then when I jump started it, I stayed in the car for an hour to allow it to charge. Came back the next day. Died again... I did not have access to a wall charger to keep things flowing but the SoC was 60%.
I have the Bz4x and its battery was dead and took it in to the six month inspection dealership. Rogers Toyota. Lewiston service rider. Said ok will look into it. I get the car back he didn’t even write it down. So no check on it. Going back today and complain they took my $89 to change my turn signal to five flashes and didn’t tell me that was going to be a charge. Not to happy on two accounts Mine was 6.4v
I own a 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL which has been sitting at Hyundai service dept. since Oct. 31, 2022 and is still there. Yup - dead 12v situation. Not that rare if you are on the Hyundai Ioniq forum. I had the car for exactly (to the day) 7 months when the 12v died, and on May 31, it will have been at Hyundai for 7 months. Only had 1,170 miles when battery died. I went the Lemon Law route, and even with a law firm I am still waiting for a settlement, which may come next week. I of course paid a dealer markup ($3,500) along with a dealer fee (Florida) of $900. I will be getting the entire amount I paid for the car which makes me feel really good, as I was mad as hell I had to pay a markup. I had previously purchased 4 Sonata's from this dealer, and also a Genesis G80, but no loyalty from them. They even told me if I didn't want to pay their fees, the guy behind me will, and I'm sure that was true. I have a portable jumper similar to the one Kyle is using which I used to jump my car to bring it to the shop so they didn't have to flatbed it. Without a doubt, everyone with an ev should carry one of these. During the 7 months my LL suit has been running, I've had an ICE loaner from the dealer. I purchased a Tesla in March, as I didn't think this mess would take so long. It's been sitting in my garage since Mar. 21, as I'd rather put miles on the loaner. Anxious to have my claim settle so I can start to drive my Tesla. It is very sad that no one at the dealer is experienced enough to find the cause of the parasitic drain. I think they called some experts in also, but to no avail. As far as I know, not one person on the Hyundai Ioniq forum has had this problem diagnosed, and their cars sit at the dealer just like mine. It shouldn't take 7 months to settle a LL claim, especially when the problem is so well known by Hyundai. Even with my new Tesla, I will be carrying by portable battery jump pack - just in case. The problem with Hyundai is that they use a cheap12v lead acid battery, while Tesla uses a 15 or 16v lithium ion. I bet Toyota uses lead acid also, as it is much cheaper for them.
I had the same on my VW 2023 ID.4 Pro-awd with the obd2 adapter plugged in, I recall when the battery registed as being low it came up with a choice to have the high voltage battery maintain a charge level. I clicked yes, but it was too long ago to precisely recall what it said, but it seemed to make sense at the time. I wonder if keeping the adapter plugged in but not turning off the app keeps some monitors running and as such draining the 12V battery.......not sure but turning the app off after use and haven't seen the issue again but admit I do remove the adapter more frequently now.
My Solterra has 35,000 kilometres (21k miles) no problems Update brought DC down to 35-40 minutes. I have a Level 2 at home running @ 40 amps. I just plug her in when meter reaches 50% (never) Empty to fully charged about 10 hrs. $8.50 cdn or $6.25 usd. Range 440 / 425 w/ climate control (heat pump) not too bad in winter -15 f then you need the electric heater which likes the watts. So… pre heat in attached garage using electric heater all the while the vehicle is charging. Then just use the heat pump to maintain as long as possible. Summertime 13-14 kw per 60 miles (100 kms) Winter low 20’ on the colder days. Charging at home just plug the EV in overnite. Instead of once a week you do it x2 or an extra 6 bucks. OUCH
I had the same problem one time. I had left the headlights on. Operator error! Be sure to either put the headlights in auto or off. Not Toyota's problem.
About a month ago I had a problem where my BZ4X was dead the next morning. I drive it every day, and I didn't leave anything on either. When I was able to Jump the 12 Volt battery there was nothing left on.
In europe two major updates for bz4x and solterra. All the major issues fixed...far better charging, range etc. So finally a good EV. Considering the small battery pack and very good battery warranty, even a good choice, it is no Tesla, but the Bz4x finally a bev worth considering. Stop the bz4x witch hunt, it is BS!
@@coz2j69 The same reason any car needs a 12 V battery: to run all the 12 V accessories like power windows, door locks, headlights, taillights, power seats, interior lighting, and the list goes on.....
@@coz2j69 to power accessories, door locks, etc. You don't want a high voltage system powering those items, and the only alternative to a 12v battery is stepping down from 400v+ to 12v, which requires additional equipment
Hi I have the same obd 2 diagnostic dongle in my 2015 VW e Golf with the original AGM battery and I have never had a problem and I never lost a wheel 😂 at least the BZ4X is reliable oups! I just forgot the recall and the dead battery.
at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what caused the drain. the main issue is why didn't the automatic charging system kick in and charge the 12V battery, like it should. probably a software issue that will be fixed by recall, i'd guess. in the grand scheme of things not a big deal on a brand new vehicle, but it still sucks to get stranded.
If the 12V battery is bad, and the auto charging system keeps charging it, not only is it dangerous in a closed garage due to hydrogen release, but how will you ever know that your 12V battery went bad and needs replacing? You're going to start thinking that your HV battery has high self-discharge. This is what happens when clueless vloggers who have no knowledge about cars think they are smarter than big automakers.
@@splendidsystems Excatly, this vlogger can't even recognise that a bad 12V battery doesn't hold charge. It has nothing to do with the car, everything to do with some idiot who used the car before this reviewer letting the 12V battery get damaged after running too low, probably left lights on.
Well went to a dealership where I live and looked at a Subaru Solterra but the 12v was dead..... having a bolt I've never had this issue but I did have to change my 12v in the bolt.... the car told me in a strange way that hey 12v isn't doing well. But at the dealership, no one new how to charge the car they were using a small likely lead acid battery powered charger, I tried explaining to let it charge for a couple of minutes but the salesman was rude. Happens but looks like this car hasn't been driven in a long time and can't tell if it's been updated in a long time. Still crazy that today they have this issue on a car at a dealer's lot.
Toyota already had 12V issues with the hybrids. My aunty was left stranded by her CH-R just a month ago because it died with her sitting in it within 10 minutes. WTF! the software should prevent this no matter what.
I have a suspicion that you might've hit the power button when you thought it was 'off' doing this, puts the car in 'accesory' mode, and just like any other car, ran the battery dead
15-20% SoC on HV battery seems like too low for these 'legacy auto maker' On ioniq 5, it stop supplying 12V when HV battery at 18% on park, idk with newer software, but that's what happened last year
General anesthesia wearing off can cause hiccups. Maybe the car didn't want you driving it when you still had anesthesia in your system. A brand new car and it went dead, no thanks.
Whatever made you think that Toyota engineers know anything about engineering? I have driven a few and they have the worst engineering of controls I have ever seen. My son had a late model Toyota that would let the battery die if the lights were left on, ie. door open or headlights. I have a old 2002 Jeep Liberty that will shut down any lights if left on for more that 8 minutes without the ignition being on. If the headlights were on in the Toyota and you shut it down and didn't open the drivers door it would also leave them on until the battery died.
There is one commonality between the bZ4X/Solterra and the Hyundai/Kia EV's that I've observed that might be somehow related. They exhibit absolutely zero phantom drain while parked. Is it possible the BMS strategy for the CATL packs has something to do with the way the 12v system is charged, or utilized? I absolutely love my Solterra. It's my 3rd EV including a Tesla, and it's the most livable one yet. Especially relying on public charging.
I drive a Nissan Leaf which I replaced the 12v lead acid battery with a battle born lithium 12v battery never had this problem since then. They are trying to save a few dollars to keep using that old lead acid technology. The new Tesla's now have a very small lithium battery but they must have software to charge the 12v even if the car is "off".
I got my Subaru Solterra in late December 2022. In early July it would not start, called dealer, said it was probably the 12-volt batter. We jump-started it, then left the charger on until fully charged. OK until early August it happened again. Took it to dealer, they tested the 12-volt and found it was not holding a charge, and will replace the battery (that was yesterday, waiting for the battery to arrive and be installed). Other than that, I love my Solterra and get lots of compliments (it's red, very sharp looking). We do not pay for electricity to charge it as we have an oversized solar panel system for our house, which also provides enough power to charge the Solterra, and also some left-over to sell back to the power company - this is the only way to go for EV owners to the grid is not over-taxed by EV owners.
If only there was a massive battery in the car that could be used to recharge the 12V battery when the voltage gets low.
The only problem with that side is that it will have to have some kind of protection against over-draining the big battery.
I have a small-brand cheap EV, and it does top the 12V off from the HV. As a small/efficient vehicle, its HV is only 20 kWh. And it has a surprising amount of vampire drain. So it will drop 5-10% a week just sitting. Park it at low SoC, and forget to plug it in for a week? You may have just killed the HV battery. (Yes, I did that early in COVID. Forgot to plug it in, came back to it after a week, it was dead as a doornail. Even jumpboxing the 12V circuit wouldn't bring it back to life, it was throwing HV errors and refused to charge. It had to go back to the manufacturer to get fixed. (Thankfully under warranty.)
Now if I'm going to park it for more than a week, I use the 12V disconnect function.
My Hyundai Kona EV made that ! :)
@@AnonymousFreakYT Its just to do as Tesla does, check if high voltate battery has a high enough state of charge.
Many legacy manufactures are used to an alternator to charge a 12V battery , and designed their EV to only charge the 12V (via inverter) only when on. The second problem is that they fit a smaller 12V battery since it does not need to start an ICE engine with cranking, and there is the new features being added to all cars that drain the battery when parked.
Most of the new EV companies (Tesla etc) realised that the 12V battery needs charging at intervals all the time - hence we see the "vampire drain", and for Tesla this is about 1 mile/day in temperate temperatures, but rises above 30degC, and below 5degC when sentry is off.
Rivian has too much vampire drain as they don't turn enough equipment when off - but the 12V does not die.
At the other end we see the old leaf has no vampire drain and does not flattern its 12V battery as has littler technology that needs to be keep awake on park.
Just remember folks, all ICE cars will have a similar problem as more "features" are added - as the drain for all cars from the 12V battery is no different between ICE and EV for the same number of keep-awake features.
Finally - if you run apps that communicate with ANY car ICE or EV, then you will keep that car awake.
It's funny that this is the exact same problem my mother has with her Smart Car purchased over 10 years ago; glad to see car companies are learning from mistakes of the past . . . [I hope the sarcasm is obvious].
"the pricing is a bit too high". UNDERSTATEMENT
You can buy a Model Y which is SO MUCH BETTER. For way way way less money.
@@HermanWillems Better in every aspect? Build quality? Longevity? Dealer network? Status?
Majority of the 12v issues were with the first cars that were delivered because they sat for months waiting the recall.
My daily driver (Solterra) has been perfectly fine. Longest I left it for was a week when I went on vacation (twice) and there was no issues when I returned either time.
Yep, the OBD2 dongle should have very low power draw (a few milliamps at most I reckon). But it is possible that the dongle was keeping some other systems in the vehicle awake that normally are not. Not probable, but possible.
Not really. This vlogger just doesn't recognise what a dead 12V battery looks like.
@@Urbanbenelux The “vlogger” has seen many dead 12v batteries.
@@Urbanbenelux WTF that doesn't make sense. The 12v battery is right there infront of Conner.
Great to hear the type of issues a car might have when it's new. They'll get it fix. Looking forward for the video. And great to see you getting better on your health. Cheers.
I have a 2022 Hyundai Ioniq EV(one of the last cars produced) and I can confirm that they fixed this 12V battery issue. The DC DC inverter is coming on by itself and charges the 12V. I have the car from August 2022 and no dead battery until now. I had the car sitting for a few days and had no problems.
Dead 12v batteries is also a common problem on Focus Electrics. Back when I considered buying one, it was pretty sad and funny how all their service histories consisted of around 2 or 3 tow truck rides to the dealer before being sold.
Carfax is so fun to read.
And here I thought upgrading from my 13 year old Prius would mean I wouldn't necessarily need to keep a jumpstarter in my car for a long time... Glad to know this from Out of Spec and not finding out the hard way. Thanks!
Not really. This vlogger just doesn't recognise what a bad 12V looks like. They don't hold charge.
@@Urbanbeneluxwould him recognizing this make the car work? Or would he still have had this issue? Getting a bad battery from the factory in a $50k car should not be a “vlogger didn’t know” situation.
I"ve been driving a Hyundai Kona for 2.5 years and my Ioniq 5 now for about 1.5 years. Both cars always had an OBD2 reader plugged in 24/7/365 and I never had the 12V battery die. Both cars were/are also signed up on the recurrent website which queries the cars (typically) once a day for battery state. Again, never any issues on both of my cars.
Mine died several times before swapping it out to a better factory 12v.
Even leaving the doors open for a minute would drain it in the end.
Not really. This vlogger just doesn't recognise what a bad 12V looks like. They don't hold charge. It's a press car, some journalist who had the car before probably killed the 12V battery somehow.
@@Urbanbenelux correct, however in an earlier video he said the car has very little miles on it.
As the former owner of a Model S, 12v battery failure was a constant issue.
Yes. Because it's a different chemistry. Modern Tesla's all have small LFP batteries of 16Volt. Since that time no issues are there.
Always great info. You are an asset to the community!!
Apparently "it's probably the 12v" is a universal EV problem. It was a notorious issue with the BMW i3 community after 3-5 years of ownership or a harsh winter.
Correct, since Teslal just put a good LFP battery in it that also has so many cycles it will last the same life as the car. Which solved the issue. Tesla solved it..
Veepeak dongles always stay on, which not only keeps many modules awake, but a live diagnostic port might prevent the auto-recharge of the 12V battery in some car brands - to avoid risk of electric shock from the HV system to the service personnel working on vehicle. A long hybrid experience...
that 12v jump starter is handy regardless of car you drive 👍
( compact , rechargeable tire inflator as well 😊)
And EVs need much smaller jump boxes than my old diesel pickup that had two large high-amp 12V batteries. 😁
noco 10 amp is good too
Not all, if you connect that one to a Tesla secondary battery which is an LFP 16Volt battery it would not work.
I understand that the IONIQ 5 was due to persistent polling of the vehicle remotely while parked. The use of the 12VDC battery to support this communication was over the top and Hyundai restricted that. I have found my 12VDC charging while the vehicle had been idle for some time so my guess is the latest update to the 2023 vehicle (a month ago) has tightened up that behind the scenes charging. Those early days rush to market issues I’m so thankful to have missed. I understand the need to get the IONIQ 5 in S Korea before the Tesla’s were unloaded at the port but here is the residual historical blemish that is no longer affecting any updated units. 💯
Andrew Till (see UA-cam channel) had one of the limited edition launch Ionic5 models and covered his 12v drain saga. Eventually had a BMS update in 2022 which introduced a better 12v monitoring capability to overcome 12v battery drain. Causes he found were that sitting in the car would draw power, Utility mode would draw power, “Welcome mode” (Where car unlocks when walking by with keys on person) would draw power.
My Kia Niro EV 2019, after three years ownership, its 12v battery just died overnight... Had to recharge it to full and hopefully it will maintain decent charge for foreseeable future. (Took it to my dealer and they tested it and said battery was good, go figure).
I had a similar issue with my e-Golf as I left the OBD dongle plugged in. It kept many control-devices powered on and didn’t let them go to sleep. After unplugging it, it had no problem at all. So really possible it’s the OBD dongle, not by itself but by the effects it has on the car.
These 12v issues on EVs remind me of how RC cars used to be before they devised how to power everything off the 'big' battery. The BEC (battery eliminator circuit) would negate the need to lug another cluster of AA's in your car like back in the 80's (or a Nitro vehicle), when you already have a 6 or 7 cell NiCad or NiMH. Now everything runs off one big battery pack through the ESC. Why haven't the big car manufacturers figured this out yet?
The safety concerns of a large 400V battery are much more severe. There are contactors which need continuous active power to keep the HV battery connected. In a collision or other damage, the HV battery needs to be disconnected but the rest of the computer and systems should stay on. Also the computer needs to boot up and test the circuits for faults before connecting the HV battery.
Longer term the solution (already starting to be adopted by a few automakers, Porsche Taycan, and all Tesla models now) is a lithium ion low voltage battery which has much better longevity and charging characteristics suitable for an EV.
My 2020 RAV4 hybrid did this to me regularly. To the point where I always carried a jump pack with me, which saved me from being stranded several times.
How about Toyota just fixing the issue ?
One hour for UA-cam left to process. Already late in the day so wanted to get this up! What do you guys think? Carry as 12 volt jump box with you or hope it doesn’t happen too often?
Hope it doesn't happen too often! Come on, Toyota! You used to lead the industry in eco-friendly cars!
There are some interesting and reasonably priced battery backup options for EVs in various situations. I would like to see some reviews on ones that can provide power or a few miles of range in a pinch. We also know that towing can add some juice. Any products that can rotate the wheels could be useful.
Why does it take more than hour to process
@@crtmojo2705 We in America are supposed to be embracing our conservative past. I guess it's time to start parking our cars on hills so startup can be assured, just like we did pre-sixties.
@@douglas_drew I still drive a manual. Popping the clutch when it’s dead is a life saver!
We had to learn carburetors and then fuel injected; now we gotta learn about energy density and software and hardware.
In IONIQ 5 loads of owners have had same issue, related to Bluelink, I believe. However my understanding is that ~ no one has a problem as long as they keep the car from sitting for extended periods of time under 30% SoC. I’ve never once had the issue.
love the time you spend educations us, love out of spec Dave
Just because the OBD reader uses a low amount of energy, it could be keeping other modules alive, draining the battery. The DCDCs should still kick in though.
I always have my trusty jump starters in my vehicles at all times. I have used them a few times for myself but often times when I see someone struggling at a store, or on and off ferries here in WA. I can quickly attach and press the button and they're off. I use a 3000mah matco tools jumper. I spent the last few weeks in a Soltera as my Ascent was repaired and no real issues (range could be better and at 6'4 the roof is a bit short for me) but had my jumper still. I am going to ask my significant other who works for Subaru and see if they have a fix. I actually am considering trading my Ascent and getting a Soltera so now I'm wanting more info
Had mine 3 weeks and my 12v died! Had to have it replaced… I blamed it on sitting at port for 8 months!
Yeah this vlogger doesn't recognise the difference between a bad charging algorithm and a bad 12V battery. The car's not to blame.
Had this problem with Kona at just over two years. Put a new different 12V batt in, has not happened again. Tip, carry the 12V backup lithium as suggested, but don't buy cheep. £70 minimum cost for a quality one.
Goes to show, just because you make hybrids doesnt mean you can make EVs. This effort from Toyota is embarrassing.
the word "effort" is doing a lot of work there
And deservedly so. From Those Wonderful Folks Who Brought Us Pearl Harbor.
@@jceess I know. I almost put it in quotes. Lol
They're doing this car not because they want to do an EV car
As a long time Lexus household, I am embarrassed by Toyota making this product.
Thanks. OBD2 plugin has a record of draining the 12v in some UK EVs but usually over 24hours+.
You know what, my new tesla model 3 did this to me on week 1 also. Now the car is at service center
Thanks for sharing your experience and advocating for a resolution!😊
I’ve had my Solterra since the end of last year. Since I travel away from home often, it sometimes sits for 2 weeks without use. I’ve not had any issues with this issue or the car at all. Love the Solterra!
Hi Scott, I live in the UK and I have been driving my Solterra for just over 6 months. During the winter the car sat for 3 weeks at temperatures well below zero and there was no problem with the 12 volt battery and up until now everything's been fine. Subaru do say in the manual if you are doing things with the car such as cleaning the inside etc., you should leave it power on. Listening to the radio for approximately 15 mins I have had a warning telling me that the 12 volt battery could go flat and to power up the vehicle. I bought a12 volt battery monitor that plugs into the 12 v socket which shows the state of charge while the car is powered which is usually 14.5 volts. As soon as I switch the car off the monitor starts to drop to around 12.5 volts. I have had many Subarus over the years and like yourself I really love the car. Happy motoring.
It’s an issue on the BYD Atto 3 too. They released a software update fix, which has helped, but people are still experiencing it.
Dude, do you ever slow down? You have a cold and have just come out of surgery. The energy is pretty impressive.
Very annoying how he is walking around, pls stand still while talking, -energy or not !
Sounds a lot like the ioniq 5 issue a lot of people are having. I have an ioniq 5 but haven’t experienced it yet
Side note, foolproof way of getting rid of hiccups every time is fill a tall glass of water, take a deep breath and then chug the whole glass while you hold your breath. Make sure you don’t breathe out of your nose while you do it. It will work every time
Yeah I've heard of ioniq 5s and EV6s having this issue, but my EV6 hasn't done it yet
Didn’t they find that the issue was the bluelink app and the iccu
For Hyundai/Kia/Genesis, the 12V accessory battery will recharge if the main traction battery is above 30%. It looks like the same is so for the bz4x. Since you left the car at a low 20% SOC, this make sense why the 12V didn't recharge (because of the % recharge threshold). Not convenient at all, but you might have been the one that killed the battery by not determining what that minimum % SOC should be when you leave that car sitting.
My 2022 Kia NIro EV had this issue and it drained the battery so many times I ended up having to replace the 12v because it got to a point where it could no longer hold a charge.
Dang. I just got a powerful local pain killer injection when I got my wisdom teeth removed. A lot of crunching sounds, micro buzz saw sounds.
Different folks have different tolerances for anesthetics as well as procedures. thankfully I had general anesthesia when I had what was left of my teeth removed, 2 implants and full dentures. I would not have made it had it just been a local.
Got put to sleep when I got my 4 removed. Thank you Tylenol 3😊.
@@The_DuMont_Network yeah. Thankfully i didn’t feel much. When I got the prescription for the painkillers afterwards I was thinking that maybe it wasn’t so bad until the injections wore off. Holy crap. Never have I swallowed pills that fast. Also got some to inhibit coughing or something so I didn’t destroy the stitches.
Anyway the pills worked great for me. Can’t remember when I last gave gone to bed without pain somewhere. But I couldn’t feel a thing. 😂
Oh heck, my old 2012 Leaf drains the 12-volt if I leave the charge cable attached for any period. Found that out the hard way. I'm sure Toyota will get it sorted.
Many EV has that issue, the Ioniq 5 is known for having problem with its 12v battery
Toyota had the same issue on the latest Sienna (2021) during the early release, "VAMPIRE ISSUE" . They were able to correct the problem the following year.
BZ4X where I come from costs around 42500 USD and am still buying one.
I got a Gooloo 2000A after watching Project Farm testing. Half the price of this Egwo. Works great as a power bank for camping.
8:05 I wish EV's were smart enough to engage the Main Pack. My Tesla Model 3's battery just died, andI got locked out, had to jump it, etc. I agree, it seems like the 12volt system should be able to detect dropping voltage and engage the main battery automatically to prevent this, and just give you a warning that 12v needs to be replaced.
I owned (briefly) a 2022 Kona EV that had 12v Battery issues, this is not new with EV's and should not really be a problem anymore, good lord do these manufacturers, you know, plan? Thanks for the videos!
Funny, I watched this video last night. Today I went out to try to start my Prius Prime and suffered the same problem; I had not been doing anything which should have drained the battery and the car is only three months old.
I had same issue with my old Prius where a new 12v battery was replaced by Toyota dealer two months back. I jump started and took it to same dealer and he checked it and kept the car overnight and replaced it with a new battery. I just got the car back today. So far so good but I will find out soon if that fixes the issue.
The BMW i3 got the 12V top up feature only later in life by software update.
Yup our solterra 12v battery died, they replaced it.
Edited: we did not have any accessory like OBD2.reader or anything.
Also, this is after the 'patch'.
When you mention the AWD system- and in many other reviews i dont see it mentioned either- the AWD system that actually works really well in eneven road conditions actually is *always* useful in inclement weather, on the road.
So this is a safe EV. Arguably one of the safest from that point of view.
I hope you feel better!!!
I wonder if a previous reviewer let the 12V battery go totally dead somehow , thus killing the 12V battery. Once that happens, they will charge up again but barely have any capacity.
Yeah unfortunately, vloggers these days think they are smarter than auto companies with 6 digit numbers of employees.
Very interesting because, we own our 4th Prius. At times we will come out to the Prius and the main power battery will be down to one bar out of 5 bars. It has always started but this sounds similar to your issue? Hope you have very little pain! Love the videos.
One time the battery was drained in our RX450h, I think it was because that the cover of the mirror on the sun visor was not closed.
This was happening to me with my RAV4 plug-in when it went back to the dealer for investigation they said the rear window was down ever so slightly triggering the immobiliser, thus draining the 12v battery I’ve had no problems ever since.
Early etrons drained the 12V battery for several situations like leaving the L2 plug in for too long after charging ended.
Honestly, GF got the 2024 model and the updates are making a huge difference. Granted, she just got it so we did not experience all the situations. But it'll still do 85 kw at the third recharge. Of course, we're in the end of summer. But really, waiting 5 more minutes (let's say 7 to be pessimistic) than the average Model Y is not a big deal if you think you'll have a long lasting vehicle that doesn't have paint peeling problems...or a CEO endorsing Trump problem.
I saw the video you put on the channel for the 2024 model. I don't want to sound harsh because i'm sure you're working hard on your content, but it's pretty incomplete. Of course, Toyota is probably responsible for the half-ass day of test drive, I know. But yeah...not sure how much it has actual meaningful info. May I suggest you try to get your hand on a 2024 again and have a real spin?
Because what you report with the 2023 model ain't at all how the 2024 car in my driveway acts. Not at all.
P.S.: Thanks for shitting on the BZ4X. Because of the bad press, GF got a solid car and successfully chopped down the price with piled up discounts and a very low interest rate. Keep on shitting on it! ;)
I have a 2018 Kia Niro hybrid and it doesn't have a 12v battery, instead a section of the 48v battery for the hybrid drive train is sectioned off for the 12v system and in the event that it is depleted there is a 12v reset button that will use the main battery to recharge it. Why don't all the EV makers do this?
Bad 12-volt batteries as a result of having been parked for months while waiting for the recall repair is likely the problem.
Picking up the Lexus Monday or Tuesday 😬
Geez. From all the negative reviews and the fact that Toyota has been clearly anti - ev, is there any chance they made a bad ev on purpose? I know people exaggerate issues for clicks but this seems like a class action lawsuit waiting to happen based on all the negative media coverage.
Nah. To conspire requires neuroactivity.
Well...we have the same issue with our Toyota Highlander Hybrid, so not holding up hope that Toyota will address it anytime soon. And discovered that people are afraid to help jump the car, so we keep a portable jumper in the car. It's been an issue for close to 15 years. We had the problem in our 2009 Highlander Hybrid and in the newer 2022 Highlander Hybrid. The first time it happened I "jumped" it with an old computer PSU. It just needed enough power to initialize the computer to engage the high voltage to 12v converter.
I currently own the 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 limited. I’ve had it since November 4. Knock on wood so far so good. I originally reserved the Solterra in February 2022. Had to cancel due to the recall on a potential wheels falling off issue. This would’ve been my 6th Subaru. I’m still a Subaru fan. Subaru and Toyota started late on the EV bandwagon. Both vehicles have a ton of great features, but lacks range and rapid charging time. Till they get their act together, I might reconsider in the future. This has been a total embarrassment. I travel from Baltimore to New York often and these 2 vehicles would’ve been a disaster. Low range and long rapid charging time. I’ve taken the Hyundai Ioniq 5 to to New York and back to Baltimore with no problems. The 12 volt issue I haven’t experienced since it happened on the 2022 model year. I think Hyundai may have fixed the problem on the 2023 models.
The same thing happen to my ICE rav4 , it’s their telematics / always connected services. It’s always hunting for connections and created a battery drain. Looks like them starting to create the subscription service model is impacting their reliability cred.
Kyle, I live in the UK. My Mum had a Yaris hybrid and this happened to her car no less than three times. She has now got rid of her Yaris hybrid and gone back to petrol engined car.
Toyota has known about this since 2006 Prius. If the voltage drops below a level it shuts down all. Hybrids most of them have this issue. Tesla as well until the lithium 12vt battery solved that issue. Toyota cuts costs and this is what you get.
Thank you for this review. It is a great help for those considering a purchase. Toyota is really struggling to get into the EV space. For a company known for its quality, they don't appear to be able to deliver an EV that can be trusted. Fortunately, this defect should be easy to fix. Nevertheless, they are slipping on quality control and need to do better. In the near term, Toyota electrics will need to be carefully scrutinized. Thankfully, we have channels like yours that will cut through the hype and put consumers on alert for problems.
Kyle, I have been hearing the Kia EV6 is also been having a 12V problem. I hope Kia gets their’s fixed soon because
I have one on order. Question: did you ever do a full review of the 2023 Kia Sportage PHEV (that you “promised” a year ago)? I haven’t been able to find it. The Prestige version is on my wish list for our travel car. It will replace a 2015 Lexus RX350.
Model X Plaid 2022. Went on a long vacation. Left car at hotel and with sentry mode enabled the car 16v battery died. Then when I jump started it, I stayed in the car for an hour to allow it to charge. Came back the next day. Died again... I did not have access to a wall charger to keep things flowing but the SoC was 60%.
I have the Bz4x and its battery was dead and took it in to the six month inspection dealership. Rogers Toyota. Lewiston service rider. Said ok will look into it. I get the car back he didn’t even write it down. So no check on it. Going back today and complain they took my $89 to change my turn signal to five flashes and didn’t tell me that was going to be a charge. Not to happy on two accounts
Mine was 6.4v
I own a 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL which has been sitting at Hyundai service dept. since Oct. 31, 2022 and is still there. Yup - dead 12v situation. Not that rare if you are
on the Hyundai Ioniq forum. I had the car for exactly (to the day) 7 months when the 12v died, and on May 31, it will have been at Hyundai for 7 months. Only had 1,170
miles when battery died. I went the Lemon Law route, and even with a law firm I am still waiting for a settlement, which may come next week. I of course paid a dealer
markup ($3,500) along with a dealer fee (Florida) of $900. I will be getting the entire amount I paid for the car which makes me feel really good, as I was mad as hell
I had to pay a markup. I had previously purchased 4 Sonata's from this dealer, and also a Genesis G80, but no loyalty from them. They even told me if I didn't want to
pay their fees, the guy behind me will, and I'm sure that was true. I have a portable jumper similar to the one Kyle is using which I used to jump my car to bring it to the
shop so they didn't have to flatbed it. Without a doubt, everyone with an ev should carry one of these. During the 7 months my LL suit has been running, I've had an ICE
loaner from the dealer. I purchased a Tesla in March, as I didn't think this mess would take so long. It's been sitting in my garage since Mar. 21, as I'd rather put miles on
the loaner. Anxious to have my claim settle so I can start to drive my Tesla. It is very sad that no one at the dealer is experienced enough to find the cause of the parasitic
drain. I think they called some experts in also, but to no avail. As far as I know, not one person on the Hyundai Ioniq forum has had this problem diagnosed, and their
cars sit at the dealer just like mine. It shouldn't take 7 months to settle a LL claim, especially when the problem is so well known by Hyundai. Even with my new
Tesla, I will be carrying by portable battery jump pack - just in case. The problem with Hyundai is that they use a cheap12v lead acid battery, while Tesla uses
a 15 or 16v lithium ion. I bet Toyota uses lead acid also, as it is much cheaper for them.
Problem is the ICCU,,, must be replaced according to Hyundai,,, known problem,,,
We carry a 12v starter like that in all our cars and trucks. Great little devices. But should be un-necessary in an EV!
I have never experienced this with my 2012 Nissan LEAF. I swapped the 12v battery at 9 years as it failed the test when being serviced.
Think I will just keep my Model 3LR/FSD.
I had the same on my VW 2023 ID.4 Pro-awd with the obd2 adapter plugged in, I recall when the battery registed as being low it came up with a choice to have the high voltage battery maintain a charge level. I clicked yes, but it was too long ago to precisely recall what it said, but it seemed to make sense at the time.
I wonder if keeping the adapter plugged in but not turning off the app keeps some monitors running and as such draining the 12V battery.......not sure but turning the app off after use and haven't seen the issue again but admit I do remove the adapter more frequently now.
I wonder why they didn’t throw the solar roof option that is on the prime on this? Wouldn’t it have made more sense ?
My Solterra has 35,000 kilometres (21k miles) no problems Update brought DC down to 35-40 minutes. I have a Level 2 at home running @ 40 amps. I just plug her in when meter reaches 50% (never) Empty to fully charged about 10 hrs. $8.50 cdn or $6.25 usd. Range 440 / 425 w/ climate control (heat pump) not too bad in winter -15 f then you need the electric heater which likes the watts. So… pre heat in attached garage using electric heater all the while the vehicle is charging. Then just use the heat pump to maintain as long as possible.
Summertime 13-14 kw per 60 miles (100 kms)
Winter low 20’ on the colder days. Charging at home just plug the EV in overnite. Instead of once a week you do it x2 or an extra 6 bucks. OUCH
Alot of BYD Atto 3 have premature dead 12v batteries as well
hahaha using a 12Volt battery in an electric car those lead acid ones. BAD, that's why Tesla gladly now has 16Volt LFP battery that lasts a lifetime.
I had the same problem one time. I had left the headlights on. Operator error! Be sure to either put the headlights in auto or off. Not Toyota's problem.
So, I’m shopping for a new EV in the $35-$55K range.
Can’t decided between a BZ4X, MX-30 or VF8.
Which will be best for my enemy?
mY
Id4 or model y
Model Y/Model3/Mach E/Ioniq if you are buying it for your daily use. BZ4X if you are buying it for your Enemy😅
About a month ago I had a problem where my BZ4X was dead the next morning. I drive it every day, and I didn't leave anything on either. When I was able to Jump the 12 Volt battery there was nothing left on.
Have you done an update on the Bz4X since the latest software update? Seeing other reviews say that many of the earlier issues have been addressed.
In europe two major updates for bz4x and solterra. All the major issues fixed...far better charging, range etc. So finally a good EV. Considering the small battery pack and very good battery warranty, even a good choice, it is no Tesla, but the Bz4x finally a bev worth considering. Stop the bz4x witch hunt, it is BS!
450km real range as tested by EU car journalists and charching well above 100kw most of the times at nax 150kw, good!
Toyota wants people to have reasons not to buy EVs - wheels falling off, poor charging performance, dead 12 V battery. Expect more problems very soon.
Pretty soon we'll be hearing about drivers getting ejected from their bz4xs.
Why does an EV need a 12V battery?
@@coz2j69 The same reason any car needs a 12 V battery: to run all the 12 V accessories like power windows, door locks, headlights, taillights, power seats, interior lighting, and the list goes on.....
@@coz2j69 to power accessories, door locks, etc. You don't want a high voltage system powering those items, and the only alternative to a 12v battery is stepping down from 400v+ to 12v, which requires additional equipment
@@coz2j69 Computers, lights and infotainment systems can not run off of a 400V battery. Tesla is going to 48V but that is a story for another day.
Hi I have the same obd 2 diagnostic dongle in my 2015 VW e Golf with the original AGM battery and I have never had a problem and I never lost a wheel 😂 at least the BZ4X is reliable oups! I just forgot the recall and the dead battery.
at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what caused the drain. the main issue is why didn't the automatic charging system kick in and charge the 12V battery, like it should. probably a software issue that will be fixed by recall, i'd guess. in the grand scheme of things not a big deal on a brand new vehicle, but it still sucks to get stranded.
If the 12V battery is bad, and the auto charging system keeps charging it, not only is it dangerous in a closed garage due to hydrogen release, but how will you ever know that your 12V battery went bad and needs replacing? You're going to start thinking that your HV battery has high self-discharge. This is what happens when clueless vloggers who have no knowledge about cars think they are smarter than big automakers.
@@splendidsystems Excatly, this vlogger can't even recognise that a bad 12V battery doesn't hold charge. It has nothing to do with the car, everything to do with some idiot who used the car before this reviewer letting the 12V battery get damaged after running too low, probably left lights on.
Well went to a dealership where I live and looked at a Subaru Solterra but the 12v was dead..... having a bolt I've never had this issue but I did have to change my 12v in the bolt.... the car told me in a strange way that hey 12v isn't doing well. But at the dealership, no one new how to charge the car they were using a small likely lead acid battery powered charger, I tried explaining to let it charge for a couple of minutes but the salesman was rude. Happens but looks like this car hasn't been driven in a long time and can't tell if it's been updated in a long time. Still crazy that today they have this issue on a car at a dealer's lot.
Toyota already had 12V issues with the hybrids. My aunty was left stranded by her CH-R just a month ago because it died with her sitting in it within 10 minutes. WTF! the software should prevent this no matter what.
I haven’t had a dead car in the morning but I have killed the 12v charging my phone w the heated seat on with the car not in READY
I own a 4WD XLE since May last year, recently hit 7k miles. Never had that issue happened to me
I have a suspicion that you might've hit the power button when you thought it was 'off' doing this, puts the car in 'accesory' mode, and just like any other car, ran the battery dead
Did the wheels fall off too? They were last year.
Lol... that has always been an issue with ICE subarus. I Carry one in my crosstrek and my Fiat 500e.
15-20% SoC on HV battery seems like too low for these 'legacy auto maker'
On ioniq 5, it stop supplying 12V when HV battery at 18% on park, idk with newer software, but that's what happened last year
General anesthesia wearing off can cause hiccups. Maybe the car didn't want you driving it when you still had anesthesia in your system. A brand new car and it went dead, no thanks.
Whatever made you think that Toyota engineers know anything about engineering? I have driven a few and they have the worst engineering of controls I have ever seen. My son had a late model Toyota that would let the battery die if the lights were left on, ie. door open or headlights. I have a old 2002 Jeep Liberty that will shut down any lights if left on for more that 8 minutes without the ignition being on. If the headlights were on in the Toyota and you shut it down and didn't open the drivers door it would also leave them on until the battery died.
There is one commonality between the bZ4X/Solterra and the Hyundai/Kia EV's that I've observed that might be somehow related. They exhibit absolutely zero phantom drain while parked.
Is it possible the BMS strategy for the CATL packs has something to do with the way the 12v system is charged, or utilized?
I absolutely love my Solterra. It's my 3rd EV including a Tesla, and it's the most livable one yet. Especially relying on public charging.
Kyle at the dentist, is this real life ....
I drive a Nissan Leaf which I replaced the 12v lead acid battery with a battle born lithium 12v battery never had this problem since then. They are trying to save a few dollars to keep using that old lead acid technology. The new Tesla's now have a very small lithium battery but they must have software to charge the 12v even if the car is "off".
did they fix it?
It's almost like they want ev's to fail.
Out of Spec or out of voice.
Bz4X is too high in price and I agree on the range.