Something I forgot to mention when reviewing this was how good the soundtrack was. Its rare that a movie can really pump me up that much just with orchestral music and a title card.
Dear Jay, It's me again. I get my check in three days and I would like to know how much you would like me to donate to you. No need to be shy. The max I could put forth is eighty american dollars though. Just let me know how much would help you out. I am slightly upset due to the fact that though I have notifications active I did not receive one for this video. I am throughly enjoying your content and am working my way through all of your videos. I have yet to find a video I have not enjoyed. You are very humerous and deserve more subs than you have. Again. Thank you for uploading.
@@JayExci I found this video about Spider-Man Homecoming being a bad Spider-Man movie and the comment section is filled with People hating on this movie and calling MCU fans cry baby just for disliking it this remind me of your video criticizing the Infinity war suck so I thought you can do the same with this video ua-cam.com/video/3Wn1uewM-aQ/v-deo.html
To Hillbilly Stormtrooper: Hey, weren't you the one who requested Th3Birdman to sin Jeremy's *A New Hope* video? That was a good choice, cos I love Star Wars, and I love sins videos against Jeremy and his band of misfits. (Most notably from Birdman, but still)
I am a HUGE Warcraft nerd and I appreciate you doing a Warcraft video although I feel you missed a lot but as a Warcraft lore nerd I will never be happy till the video is 4 hours long.I feel this movie is criminally underrated
What aspect of Azeroth as portrayed in the movie did you like best? I thought it was great to see Stormwind on screen, but Ironforge looked just awesome. On the downside though I though Medhiv looked like a schoolboy, he's far too young.
I actually like the way Medivh and Kadgar are show, Kadgar is probably one of my fav bits because he is so old when we see him in game its good to see him in his younger years.
It's fun how the Orcs dwarf the humans, but the Night elves are even taller than orcs. (A male orc is around 6-7ft tall, a female night elf is at 7ft+ tall)
This movie was justifiably good. Not amazing, but so far from bad. Great story? Not incredible, but fine. Great characters? On the surface, they're alright, but as you think about them more some of them are actually decently compelling. CGI was just amazing, the way they incorporated the art style of the games into the arms and armor of the humans is criminally underrated, and it absolutely deserves a sequel.
4;22 "If I just made up the rest of my sins, he would not notice" What? Are you suggesting that somebody checks your :sins"? You've got to be joking...
"If I just made up the rest of my sins, he would not notice" Implying that the sins are well thought or not made up as all kinds of fuck most of the time. Or that Jeremy actually pays attention to the films he "sins".
I've been playing WoW for 14 years, I really liked this movie. I didn't know the lore from the first Warcraft game really well, so I wasn't mad that they changed somethings, but I was very impressed. I can understand how people can get confused because it was a lot of information thrown at you every second of the movie, which doesn't bother me, but if you blink or zone out a second and miss dialogue you can get confused. I really hope they make another one. It did amazing in China and it's set up for more movies in the future. There is a ton of lore to tap from and it would be great if American movie goes didn't just shit on it because it's a fantasy movie and not as good as LoTR.
I was kind of disappointed that they started with WCI which was the weakest story. They should have put their best foot forward and started with WCIII, but I suppose that would have to many things to introduce.
"didn't just shit on it because it's a fantasy movie and not as good as LoTR." God, I remember one review I read of the movie that criticized it with "there's more to being like Tolkien than just coming up with weird names for places." And I'm like... what the actual fuck? Do people not get that not every fantasy thing is trying to be like Tolkien? Also, hey, you probably don't get most of the significance of places in the LotR unless you read the Simarillion. Kinda like how you'll get more info on places in the Warcraft movie if you *play the games* and read more of the material about them. Not everything fantasy needs to be the next LotR. Also, man, yeah, remember how Lord of the Rings had multiple factions and elements of grey to each, with diplomacy and sides and shifting alliances? Me neither, super basic good vs evil plot over a macguffin is clearly superior amirite? Also, criticizing based on the names of places? Right, because LotR was so imaginative with names like Mount Doom.
I agree with you I did have a some specific problems with it which pointed out in my comment but it generally was a good movie and I would love to see more.
This. This Sins video in particular is a great example of why I unsubscribed from CinemaSins. I haven't played the first two Warcraft games, or WoW, but Jeremy obviously went into this not giving a shit, so he doesn't care about anything, and ignores everything. You are far more entertaining than them. Almost on par with CinemaWins.
You literally mirrored my feelings exactly. I couldn’t even finish the original video ‘cause, as you say, he intentionally went out of his way to make shit up. Lol
And he deeeefinitely overdid his 'this movie, that movie' thing, as pointed out here. I mean, if you go as flimsily as Jeremy did, you might as well point out "Oh, it has relationship troubles, personal issues, and an influential person dies. Too bad he didn't go out whispering 'Rosebud'!"
I agree. Though my main motivation to unsubscribe when he made that 'joke' about how helping autistic children is 'generic and boring' in whatever forgettable video it was about whichever forgettable film it was (that really ruffled my feathers), I get the feeling he picks films solely because others don't like them and doesn't do any research. Me and my brother used to be devout, but when he left because he wanted to to be a film director like Micheal Bay, I didn't. I still espoused to him everything CS says about Bay and now I'm too worried that I was crushing my brother's dreams back then.
I think one thing that exemplifies this is the comment about Garona, since she's literally a character in World of Warcraft (I haven't played this game, but at least I did my research, only games I've played were Warcraft II and its expansion, and a bit of Warcraft III, though I haven't exactly paid attention to the story back then).
As a Warcraft fan (and someone who's played the game for over a decade), I enjoyed it. There were some things that were out of place, events were changed a bit to paint the Alliance as the "good guys" who "win" at the end (whereas in the original story, they lost, Stormwind got trashed, and they were pushed north), some bits were omitted entirely (namely Mannoroth, but he was alluded to by Garona once; and that Medivh was a vessel for Sargeras, but i can understand they didnt want to overcomplicate things). I did also feel that the early pacing was a bit off, as it jumped around a bit too much too quickly. I'd also dock points for the unnecessary diversion to Dalaran. Felt like it was just a bit of a time dump (and considering it's almost a whole continent away from Stormwind, a bit unfeasible for Khadgar to fly there in the amount of time he did), and really dont think they should have had Dalaran flying at this point. They only had it that way because in WoW, it's been flying for the last 10 years, and that's how people know it. It was originally just a normal city until it got destroyed in the Third War (which takes place about 20 years after the events of this movie), before getting rebuilt, and THEN made to fly 10 years after that. Oh, also changing Garona's heritage from half orc/draenei to half orc/human. That being said, I like the rest. The little nods and references throughout that were put in for players of the game, the effects, the landscapes and locations built with so much care and attention to detail. Look at the Goldshire Inn and compare the movie version to the game version. Aside from all the ERPers, it was dead on. Stormwind looked magnificent in every shot, the orc camp on their side of the Dark Portal was in a region that was a perfect blend of Hellfire Peninsular and Tanaan Jungle...just very well translated.
- I'm not sure if you can say the humans "won" at the end of the film. All of the Stormwind soldiers died, or were captured, at the portal, the king's dead and now Stormwind is vulnerable to an attack (keep in mind that the city is fairly secluded compared to the other Alliance Kingdoms who are clumped together). - Dalaran in the movie is already flying, so we don't actually know where on Azeroth it currently is. It could be floating near the Alterac Mountains or maybe not. I don't think it really matters to be honest if it should be flying now or later, but the rule of cool dictates that floating cities are in, so Dalaran flies. Also, in the brief shot we saw of Dalaran, the city appears to be floating over an ocean. - Garona was originally a orc/human. That was retcon later to orc/draenei. The movie decided to go with the original version and made Medivh her father....for some reason.
Okay, I play W.o.W., but I've only played on and off for about two years now and suck at keeping up with the lore (especially since I only got the newest game and not Warcraft or anything) but I really need to watch this movie *clearly* -
The cynical and often bitter way Jeremy refers to women showing any kind of sexual identity, or simply even existing on screen, tells me he's probably an InCel "Nice Guy". edit - I vote to keep "This movie that movie!" every now and then. Don't cling to it like a catch phrase, like CinemaSins does with their shit, but I still like it sometimes.
I agree on both points, but l think it could be a decent compromise to show Jeremy's and silently *ding* it because we already know why, or spice it up like he did in this one. ~ TDG
The number of people who actually LIKED the movie in the comments is quite a welcome sight. Hahaha. But yeah, like someone else said before, this video made me unsub from CS. The amount of stuff he intentionally got wrong was too much for me to sit through. I couldn’t even finish the original video.
Probably my most hated sin video he ever made. I feel passionately about warcraft's world and story. And that movie had A LOT of serious flaws and critique worthy aspects. And he somehow didn't hit A SINGLE ONE, he just went about being your average-journalist-without-experience-in-fantasy-shameless-hate-rant. Glad you covered it. Even though it's what you do, haha!
7:14 This scene is not pointless like cinema sins makes it seems it shows us a desperate father who’s trying to protect his son even though he knows he can’t It really helps the viewer empathise with this character
honestly i wish Warcraft had more success in the US, because the lore of WoW is incredible from what i saw (not much) and veeeeery rich (almost 20 years of stories). Blizzard did an amazing job for not being a Movie Studios. Hopefully they will try this again with Overwatch
this movie's main target audience were warcraft fans. for someone who is deep into the lore, this was a treat. although you have to disregard some of the books to this make sense for the canon. also you missed a sin where jeremy complains about orcs suddenly speaking english, which he thinks is the language of the humans when it clearly was not, they were speaking english only for the audience while the humans spoke their own language that clearly was not english.
I had watched a couple CinemaSins videos in the now distant past and came to a "what if" moment during my youtube binge tonight, the "what if" being if in the vast expanse of the internet, did anybody take the time to call out CinemaSins, and you good sir did, I commend you, I hope you reach many more people with your videos.
I think they did well to keep to the lore from Warcraft 1 that came out in like 1990. Everyone thinks it's based off the current MMO but it's actually based off the series of games that built the world the MMO uses for people to play in.
Hey, just wanted to say that I really like your videos! TBH, I had this exact same idea to Sin CinemaSins, but never found the courage to do it. I'm glad that you're the one who decided to go full force into this idea of Sinning CinemaSins's sins. You're actually really funny without trying to be. I love your personality, and you even point out some stuff that I never even noticed or thought about ever! Keep doing what you're doing, and remember to be positive and stay awesome! :)
I never played the games but loved this movie it had really good actions senses in it with a hit of comedy to me it was perfect but I have a tendency to just skip over plot holes or even bad acting and replace it with something that makes sense so yea I love movies and this one was actually one of the best that I have seen in some time. The plot was the best part for sure
3:31 The magic also doesn't seem so devastatingly effective either; given that the spell took a long time to cast, was only used against a dozen or so orcs, and had no impact at all on the orcs who weren't fel-touched. 5:23 Medivh turns into a raven, not an eagle.
"Tolkienian" Orcs can be both corrupted Elves and an entirely different species now (Tolkien basically says it's magical evolution). The two aren't mutually exclusive.
If Warcraft was actually a mix of Lord of the rings, John Carter of Mars, Monsters Inc., Avatar, The Hobbit, One that I don't know, Harry Potter, Guardians of the Galaxy, Mario, Army of Darkness, 300, Independence day, Star Wars and Rocky, that would be pretty cool.
My experience with Warcraft started when the series was in it's RTS stage over 20 years ago. I haven't played WoW for so as not to be addicted. That being said recently I did look at the updated lore. The changes I noticed make SO MUCH sense(to the point I have a theory on the identity of Alodi). And for that I loved the movie
So Jeremy's asking for something to give an idea if cities are in proximity to each other and whether they're aligned. And yet, if they did something to indicate that, such as saying what country each of those cities is from, you'd be hearing "As opposed to Stormwind, Iowa. *ding*" instead. Wild.
12:02 Missed sin. Laine asks Garona to show him where she's from but points to a map of the Eastern Kingdoms. Only one of four continents on Azeroth. Granted, It's not likely she'd be from Pandaria, but still.
I'm not sure Stormwind *knows* about the other continents at this point. Quel'Thalas might have records, hell they might have people who remember Kalimdor, though I don't think they do, but... it's sketchy at best. They're probably *more* familiar with the concept of reaching other worlds through the Nether than the far continents. Also, you can make a map of only a portion of the world. Even if they know about the other continents they're untamed, distant wilderness as far as they know, so it'd make sense that the map in Stormwind Keep only has the *relevant* portions of the world. Besides, who knows when that map was made. ... though I suppose it wouldn't be unreasonable to surmise the orcs might be from another continent, which would make the limited map incomplete. And then there's the question of whether they should have that kind of map in the first place. But I suppose they have gryphons and other flying things, sailing ships, and decent mathematics, so it's plausible.
I love how he sinned the map on the roof thing. I like that a dude whose whole channel is about sinning films projected onto a huge fucking wall suddenly had a mental break because a huge projection was on a roof....
Been playing the games since Warcraft III and kept up with the lore ever since. I enjoyed the movie, quite a bit. However, No matter how hard they tried, this movie isn’t for outsiders. There’s a lot going on that most people probably couldn’t follow without prior knowledge of the universe. Like when Jeremy sinned the “volcano” in the back shot, fans know that’s “black rock mountain” black rock mountain has tons of rich lore and it was placed in the shot as a nod to the fans and if there was ever a second movie following the same storyline we would have scenes where Lothar and the alliance confront Doomhammer at said “volcano”. As someone with knowledge of the lore this movie was fucking awesome with tons hinted to come. As someone coming into this movie expecting a fantasy story, they got a Mumbo jombo mess of story telling that went nowhere.
6:40 just wanna add that he's a freaking chieftain, orc leaders are known to be far superior fighters than the ordinary orcs, that's how they got their positions in the first place.
I love it when people toss aside a ton of people saying "This movie is going to be awful" to actually watch the movie for what it is and maybe find something they like. Warms my heart.
Can you do everything wrong with everything wrong with Ghost Rider And please make it known that the hell cycle is able to drive on water along with all of other abilities.
I played WarCraft 3, and I looooved how close to the games all the designs were. The armors, the buildings, the orcs, the elves, it just all looked awesome and like the game planted on the big screen. Also, I loved how they visualized the magic. About the story ... it was okay. It was an introduction to the world, the characters and story were secondary to it. The story still wasn't bad, mind you, and the characters were likable enough, especially Durotan, Garona and Khadgar. It really is a shame that this movie wasn't succesful enough, since the stories of the later games could have made for awesome movies. Also I'd like to say that WarCraft was, without a doubt, the best videogame-adaption I've ever seen, much better than Resident Evil, Prince of Persia or all the other crap. Also one of the very, very few good fantasy-movies outside the Tolkienverse. A shame there won't be a sequel.
5:35...nooo considering night is the only time you can catch a vampire. Keeping them in the cell overnight usually means they would be dead by first light. Considering they can't go anywhere and they would die as soon as the sun rises. You let them go before then...it wouldn't be overnight now would it?
Casey Wensnahan in the context of this point. it’s ridiculous to catch a vampire during the day...drag him into this cage in order to kill them during the day...
Wait, this is getting ridiculous. He compared a fistfight with rocky. "Alright boys, we can't have fistfights ever again in movies, we're just ripping off rocky, the first movie to have two people punching each other!"
Could you do The Greatest Showman? Aside from my personal opinion that he treats the film unfairly, he has several sins basically amounting to "Barnum was a bad person" but there's so little variety and substance to those comments that it makes me think he read one time that Barnum was racist and thought "Oh cool, it's 'in' to hate on Barnum, I can milk that for sins."
saying warcraft orcs are a rip off of tolkien orcs is ridiculous because like warcraft is one of the primary inspirations for orcs that deviate from tolkien, to the point tvtropes even lists orks as being either tolkien blizzard style orcs
I played the game afew times. The grinding got old fast, so I tried just mining, mindless, but maybe I could make some in game money. Got attacked by shit that I was in no way bothering. Very unfun time. I have not seen this movie and probably never will. Thank you for your videos.
(Advanced warning this is an absolute essay I’ve written here) Im a massive Warcraft nerd and generally liked the Movie I didn’t like some of the lore changes like how there’s only one warlock Gul’Dann, there’s no ogres in the Horde, they heavily implied that Gorona was a Human Orc hybrid instead of a Draenie (the blue dudes from the beginning) Orc hybrid, they never showed Blackhands children who were major Horde leaders originally, Orgrimm Doomhammer was a frost wolf removing much of the weight from his and Durotans friendship (he was originally a Black Rock which is the clan lead by Blackhand who doesn’t like Durotan), Gul’Dann was never that strong thats why he turned to the Fel (Demon Magic), the human city of stormwind (the major city in the movie) should have been destroyed and taken by the Horde in the end of the movie, and theirs many more but these were some of the bigger ones and the last one I’ll add is that existence of the Fel and it’s deadly and corrupting properties should have been common knowledge to the people of Azeroth (the world where the movie takes place) as they have dealt with the Legion (the major force of the Demons) many times and made sure to record it and spread the knowledge as far as possible so future generations would be able to affectively combat them.
I have never understood the idea that it’s strange for certain effects to only affect the weaker minded. It is fairly standard for abilities that charm or otherwise bend minds to be best resisted by those with stronger will (see every charm effect in dnd).
"Just once, I'd like to see great power cause absolutely no moral of physical problems." I know, right? Who'd want things like attaining great power to cause conflict and drama in the story, or have downsides that might keep a character from - as a non-specific example - immediately becoming overpowered and resolving shit in the first half an hour?
you should do everything wrong with Everything Wrong With Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie or everything wrong with Everything Wrong With The Power Rangers (2017)
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Something I forgot to mention when reviewing this was how good the soundtrack was. Its rare that a movie can really pump me up that much just with orchestral music and a title card.
Yeah, Ramin Djawadi is a great composer.
Yeah, the Orc Theme and the tribal influences in it (throat singing, flute, drums, etc.) has to be one of my top favorite Ramin Djawadi themes :)
Dear Jay,
It's me again. I get my check in three days and I would like to know how much you would like me to donate to you. No need to be shy. The max I could put forth is eighty american dollars though. Just let me know how much would help you out. I am slightly upset due to the fact that though I have notifications active I did not receive one for this video. I am throughly enjoying your content and am working my way through all of your videos. I have yet to find a video I have not enjoyed. You are very humerous and deserve more subs than you have. Again. Thank you for uploading.
Hi K N, Patreon donations are always appreciated and whatever amount you want to give would be more than enough.
@@JayExci I found this video about Spider-Man Homecoming being a bad Spider-Man movie and the comment section is filled with People hating on this movie and calling MCU fans cry baby just for disliking it this remind me of your video criticizing the Infinity war suck so I thought you can do the same with this video ua-cam.com/video/3Wn1uewM-aQ/v-deo.html
I'm going to become a double agent by going to cinemasins channel and requesting sins videos, so i can later request a sins sins video.
Hillbilly Stormtrooper request infinity war for me.
@@LibertyLocalizer I did, Jeremy didn't respond.
I think hillbilly stormtrooper is a Sith Lord
Hillbilly Stormtrooper “I’m playing both sides so either way I come out on top”
To Hillbilly Stormtrooper: Hey, weren't you the one who requested Th3Birdman to sin Jeremy's *A New Hope* video? That was a good choice, cos I love Star Wars, and I love sins videos against Jeremy and his band of misfits. (Most notably from Birdman, but still)
"THIS!" "MOVIE!" "THAT!" "MOVIE!"
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"You were thinking of daytime, the only other type of time." I'm afraid you've forgotten about Hammer Time.
I am a HUGE Warcraft nerd and I appreciate you doing a Warcraft video although I feel you missed a lot but as a Warcraft lore nerd I will never be happy till the video is 4 hours long.I feel this movie is criminally underrated
I don't know shit about Warcraft but I still like the movie
I thought the cgi was amazing
@ Danny: I KNOW about Warcraft and still like the movie
What aspect of Azeroth as portrayed in the movie did you like best? I thought it was great to see Stormwind on screen, but Ironforge looked just awesome. On the downside though I though Medhiv looked like a schoolboy, he's far too young.
I actually like the way Medivh and Kadgar are show, Kadgar is probably one of my fav bits because he is so old when we see him in game its good to see him in his younger years.
It's fun how the Orcs dwarf the humans, but the Night elves are even taller than orcs. (A male orc is around 6-7ft tall, a female night elf is at 7ft+ tall)
Interesting comment from 2 years ago...
Took me a while to understand that sentence. Orcs dwarfs the humans hahah
This movie was justifiably good. Not amazing, but so far from bad. Great story? Not incredible, but fine. Great characters? On the surface, they're alright, but as you think about them more some of them are actually decently compelling. CGI was just amazing, the way they incorporated the art style of the games into the arms and armor of the humans is criminally underrated, and it absolutely deserves a sequel.
I think this will always be my favorite all-out FANTASY movie. Like you said, they went out of their way to make that shit look like the games.
@@TheCursereaper What about lord of the rings, imo THE BEST fantasy movie
@@purplepoet6147 What about My Little Pony: The Movie?
maybe a tv series would be better? 1 season of 10 episodes
A lot of the story's mediocrity comes from the fact that the story is a cleaned up version of both of the original 1990's campaigns.
4;22 "If I just made up the rest of my sins, he would not notice"
What? Are you suggesting that somebody checks your :sins"? You've got to be joking...
He does have a team of writes, so I'm assuming someone checks his sins. Not that they are good at that sort of thing.
I think they are a bunch of yes-men.
"If I just made up the rest of my sins, he would not notice"
Implying that the sins are well thought or not made up as all kinds of fuck most of the time. Or that Jeremy actually pays attention to the films he "sins".
also at 4:43 its a map... with distance between the places, something he was asking for back at 2:02
sinning something that's actually in the movie...
I've been playing WoW for 14 years, I really liked this movie. I didn't know the lore from the first Warcraft game really well, so I wasn't mad that they changed somethings, but I was very impressed. I can understand how people can get confused because it was a lot of information thrown at you every second of the movie, which doesn't bother me, but if you blink or zone out a second and miss dialogue you can get confused. I really hope they make another one. It did amazing in China and it's set up for more movies in the future. There is a ton of lore to tap from and it would be great if American movie goes didn't just shit on it because it's a fantasy movie and not as good as LoTR.
I was kind of disappointed that they started with WCI which was the weakest story. They should have put their best foot forward and started with WCIII, but I suppose that would have to many things to introduce.
"didn't just shit on it because it's a fantasy movie and not as good as LoTR."
God, I remember one review I read of the movie that criticized it with "there's more to being like Tolkien than just coming up with weird names for places." And I'm like... what the actual fuck? Do people not get that not every fantasy thing is trying to be like Tolkien? Also, hey, you probably don't get most of the significance of places in the LotR unless you read the Simarillion. Kinda like how you'll get more info on places in the Warcraft movie if you *play the games* and read more of the material about them. Not everything fantasy needs to be the next LotR. Also, man, yeah, remember how Lord of the Rings had multiple factions and elements of grey to each, with diplomacy and sides and shifting alliances? Me neither, super basic good vs evil plot over a macguffin is clearly superior amirite?
Also, criticizing based on the names of places? Right, because LotR was so imaginative with names like Mount Doom.
I agree with you I did have a some specific problems with it which pointed out in my comment but it generally was a good movie and I would love to see more.
Lowkey tho, you deserve more subscribers and views, you’re hilarious
Same but highkey
Same but *extra* highkey
Skeletonkey, frankly.
Lowkey tho, they got way more subs now and deserve more
This. This Sins video in particular is a great example of why I unsubscribed from CinemaSins. I haven't played the first two Warcraft games, or WoW, but Jeremy obviously went into this not giving a shit, so he doesn't care about anything, and ignores everything.
You are far more entertaining than them. Almost on par with CinemaWins.
You literally mirrored my feelings exactly. I couldn’t even finish the original video ‘cause, as you say, he intentionally went out of his way to make shit up. Lol
And he deeeefinitely overdid his 'this movie, that movie' thing, as pointed out here. I mean, if you go as flimsily as Jeremy did, you might as well point out "Oh, it has relationship troubles, personal issues, and an influential person dies. Too bad he didn't go out whispering 'Rosebud'!"
I agree. Though my main motivation to unsubscribe when he made that 'joke' about how helping autistic children is 'generic and boring' in whatever forgettable video it was about whichever forgettable film it was (that really ruffled my feathers), I get the feeling he picks films solely because others don't like them and doesn't do any research.
Me and my brother used to be devout, but when he left because he wanted to to be a film director like Micheal Bay, I didn't. I still espoused to him everything CS says about Bay and now I'm too worried that I was crushing my brother's dreams back then.
Cinemawins WINS movies,not sin it,of course it'll be far more entertaining.
I think one thing that exemplifies this is the comment about Garona, since she's literally a character in World of Warcraft (I haven't played this game, but at least I did my research, only games I've played were Warcraft II and its expansion, and a bit of Warcraft III, though I haven't exactly paid attention to the story back then).
The punishment should be a 10-hour "This movie that movie" compilation. :P
As a Warcraft fan (and someone who's played the game for over a decade), I enjoyed it. There were some things that were out of place, events were changed a bit to paint the Alliance as the "good guys" who "win" at the end (whereas in the original story, they lost, Stormwind got trashed, and they were pushed north), some bits were omitted entirely (namely Mannoroth, but he was alluded to by Garona once; and that Medivh was a vessel for Sargeras, but i can understand they didnt want to overcomplicate things). I did also feel that the early pacing was a bit off, as it jumped around a bit too much too quickly.
I'd also dock points for the unnecessary diversion to Dalaran. Felt like it was just a bit of a time dump (and considering it's almost a whole continent away from Stormwind, a bit unfeasible for Khadgar to fly there in the amount of time he did), and really dont think they should have had Dalaran flying at this point. They only had it that way because in WoW, it's been flying for the last 10 years, and that's how people know it. It was originally just a normal city until it got destroyed in the Third War (which takes place about 20 years after the events of this movie), before getting rebuilt, and THEN made to fly 10 years after that.
Oh, also changing Garona's heritage from half orc/draenei to half orc/human.
That being said, I like the rest. The little nods and references throughout that were put in for players of the game, the effects, the landscapes and locations built with so much care and attention to detail. Look at the Goldshire Inn and compare the movie version to the game version. Aside from all the ERPers, it was dead on. Stormwind looked magnificent in every shot, the orc camp on their side of the Dark Portal was in a region that was a perfect blend of Hellfire Peninsular and Tanaan Jungle...just very well translated.
I am not sure if draenai existed in Warcraft 1.
Still kinda a mistake to make this movie, given the writing only starts to exist in Warfeaft 3
@suddenllybah There are Draenei in the movie though; hundreds of them are sacrificed by Gul'dan to fuel the opening of the Dark Portal.
- I'm not sure if you can say the humans "won" at the end of the film. All of the Stormwind soldiers died, or were captured, at the portal, the king's dead and now Stormwind is vulnerable to an attack (keep in mind that the city is fairly secluded compared to the other Alliance Kingdoms who are clumped together).
- Dalaran in the movie is already flying, so we don't actually know where on Azeroth it currently is. It could be floating near the Alterac Mountains or maybe not. I don't think it really matters to be honest if it should be flying now or later, but the rule of cool dictates that floating cities are in, so Dalaran flies. Also, in the brief shot we saw of Dalaran, the city appears to be floating over an ocean.
- Garona was originally a orc/human. That was retcon later to orc/draenei. The movie decided to go with the original version and made Medivh her father....for some reason.
Okay, I play W.o.W., but I've only played on and off for about two years now and suck at keeping up with the lore (especially since I only got the newest game and not Warcraft or anything) but I really need to watch this movie *clearly* -
Missed sinsin @ 5:26 (this video) Medivh turns into a raven, not an eagle
The cynical and often bitter way Jeremy refers to women showing any kind of sexual identity, or simply even existing on screen, tells me he's probably an InCel "Nice Guy".
edit - I vote to keep "This movie that movie!" every now and then. Don't cling to it like a catch phrase, like CinemaSins does with their shit, but I still like it sometimes.
I agree on both points, but l think it could be a decent compromise to show Jeremy's and silently *ding* it because we already know why, or spice it up like he did in this one.
~ TDG
11:42 CinemaSinsSinsSins: buckbeak isnt a griffin, he's a hippogriff
Doesn't the species being wrong add to the "discount"?
Also do you really expect Jeremy to know the difference?
If he made it past 7th grade, then yes.
Koatam Do they teach the difference between fantasy creatures in 7th grade?
Bebe Cranney They do at Hogwarts.
@@bebecranney8740 I learned about ancient mythology in 6th grade.
The number of people who actually LIKED the movie in the comments is quite a welcome sight. Hahaha. But yeah, like someone else said before, this video made me unsub from CS. The amount of stuff he intentionally got wrong was too much for me to sit through. I couldn’t even finish the original video.
same
I loved the movie too.
Probably my most hated sin video he ever made. I feel passionately about warcraft's world and story. And that movie had A LOT of serious flaws and critique worthy aspects. And he somehow didn't hit A SINGLE ONE, he just went about being your average-journalist-without-experience-in-fantasy-shameless-hate-rant. Glad you covered it. Even though it's what you do, haha!
OH MY WORD! Jay acknowledged me!!! I have to be honest I have not seen the movie nor play the game....at all. But I totally loved your work.
:D
One of these days, Jay, you're going to get a footofaferret brief history video made about you.
Im early so maybe you'll see this
Just wanted to say that you're a great channel and i really appreciate all the hard work you put in to your channel
Thanks for the heart
5:00 he did turned out to be a great warchief
Right up until he left Garrosh in charge. But that's one mistake in his whole time as warchief.
Until he picked his successor...
@@koatam inspiration taken right from Diocletian i suppose
7:14
This scene is not pointless like cinema sins makes it seems it shows us a desperate father who’s trying to protect his son even though he knows he can’t
It really helps the viewer empathise with this character
honestly i wish Warcraft had more success in the US, because the lore of WoW is incredible from what i saw (not much) and veeeeery rich (almost 20 years of stories). Blizzard did an amazing job for not being a Movie Studios. Hopefully they will try this again with Overwatch
this movie's main target audience were warcraft fans. for someone who is deep into the lore, this was a treat. although you have to disregard some of the books to this make sense for the canon.
also you missed a sin where jeremy complains about orcs suddenly speaking english, which he thinks is the language of the humans when it clearly was not, they were speaking english only for the audience while the humans spoke their own language that clearly was not english.
I had watched a couple CinemaSins videos in the now distant past and came to a "what if" moment during my youtube binge tonight, the "what if" being if in the vast expanse of the internet, did anybody take the time to call out CinemaSins, and you good sir did, I commend you, I hope you reach many more people with your videos.
Jay: it seems like orcs are too big to ride horses
The two orcs riding horses while he said that: hhhmmmmmmmmm
if it would be warhammer40k universe the horses would suddenly collapse right after that sentence
Bring back "this movie that movie"
I think they did well to keep to the lore from Warcraft 1 that came out in like 1990. Everyone thinks it's based off the current MMO but it's actually based off the series of games that built the world the MMO uses for people to play in.
Hey, just wanted to say that I really like your videos! TBH, I had this exact same idea to Sin CinemaSins, but never found the courage to do it. I'm glad that you're the one who decided to go full force into this idea of Sinning CinemaSins's sins. You're actually really funny without trying to be. I love your personality, and you even point out some stuff that I never even noticed or thought about ever! Keep doing what you're doing, and remember to be positive and stay awesome! :)
I never played the games but loved this movie it had really good actions senses in it with a hit of comedy to me it was perfect but I have a tendency to just skip over plot holes or even bad acting and replace it with something that makes sense so yea I love movies and this one was actually one of the best that I have seen in some time. The plot was the best part for sure
3:31
The magic also doesn't seem so devastatingly effective either; given that the spell took a long time to cast, was only used against a dozen or so orcs, and had no impact at all on the orcs who weren't fel-touched.
5:23
Medivh turns into a raven, not an eagle.
"Tolkienian" Orcs can be both corrupted Elves and an entirely different species now (Tolkien basically says it's magical evolution). The two aren't mutually exclusive.
When you go aaaaaaagh.
"click below to watch the original sins video, or to *buy Hearthstone* "
You do need a bunch of card packs, so i suppose you're right
3:57 To be fair, they are also riding horses in the same scene...
But I'd bet not for particularly long.
if they would be 40k ORKS, they would ride them til they would realise they are too heavy for the horses
If Warcraft was actually a mix of Lord of the rings, John Carter of Mars, Monsters Inc., Avatar, The Hobbit, One that I don't know, Harry Potter, Guardians of the Galaxy, Mario, Army of Darkness, 300, Independence day, Star Wars and Rocky, that would be pretty cool.
Watching CC completely fuck up Jay's words is hilarious.
14:00 Yogg Saron, Hope's End is the best card in Hearthstone. He was the first legendary I ever crafted and is in 6 of my 18 decks at the moment.
My experience with Warcraft started when the series was in it's RTS stage over 20 years ago. I haven't played WoW for so as not to be addicted. That being said recently I did look at the updated lore. The changes I noticed make SO MUCH sense(to the point I have a theory on the identity of Alodi). And for that I loved the movie
Half of these sins are I am unfammiliar with warcraft therefore bad
So Jeremy's asking for something to give an idea if cities are in proximity to each other and whether they're aligned. And yet, if they did something to indicate that, such as saying what country each of those cities is from, you'd be hearing "As opposed to Stormwind, Iowa. *ding*" instead.
Wild.
Doesn't he get pissy over coordinates as well?
12:02
Missed sin.
Laine asks Garona to show him where she's from but points to a map of the Eastern Kingdoms. Only one of four continents on Azeroth.
Granted, It's not likely she'd be from Pandaria, but still.
I'm not sure Stormwind *knows* about the other continents at this point. Quel'Thalas might have records, hell they might have people who remember Kalimdor, though I don't think they do, but... it's sketchy at best. They're probably *more* familiar with the concept of reaching other worlds through the Nether than the far continents.
Also, you can make a map of only a portion of the world. Even if they know about the other continents they're untamed, distant wilderness as far as they know, so it'd make sense that the map in Stormwind Keep only has the *relevant* portions of the world. Besides, who knows when that map was made.
... though I suppose it wouldn't be unreasonable to surmise the orcs might be from another continent, which would make the limited map incomplete.
And then there's the question of whether they should have that kind of map in the first place. But I suppose they have gryphons and other flying things, sailing ships, and decent mathematics, so it's plausible.
12:11 Wait, what? The Necronomicon isn't originally from Army of Darkness, it's from a short story written by HP Lovecraft in the 1920s.
I love this channel. Thanks for what you do
I love how he sinned the map on the roof thing. I like that a dude whose whole channel is about sinning films projected onto a huge fucking wall suddenly had a mental break because a huge projection was on a roof....
13:14 I've missed hearing that
Been playing the games since Warcraft III and kept up with the lore ever since. I enjoyed the movie, quite a bit.
However, No matter how hard they tried, this movie isn’t for outsiders. There’s a lot going on that most people probably couldn’t follow without prior knowledge of the universe. Like when Jeremy sinned the “volcano” in the back shot, fans know that’s “black rock mountain” black rock mountain has tons of rich lore and it was placed in the shot as a nod to the fans and if there was ever a second movie following the same storyline we would have scenes where Lothar and the alliance confront Doomhammer at said “volcano”.
As someone with knowledge of the lore this movie was fucking awesome with tons hinted to come.
As someone coming into this movie expecting a fantasy story, they got a Mumbo jombo mess of story telling that went nowhere.
Is it strange this channel make me like cinemasins again?
Also, congrats on 23k subs.
Do more songs comparing movies
6:40 just wanna add that he's a freaking chieftain, orc leaders are known to be far superior fighters than the ordinary orcs, that's how they got their positions in the first place.
I love it when people toss aside a ton of people saying "This movie is going to be awful" to actually watch the movie for what it is and maybe find something they like. Warms my heart.
Those bonus round sins were some of the best sins you've ever written
Fucking love this channel
I know that Warcraft wasn't a good movie but fuck... Next to this Cinemasins video it looks like a masterpiece.
This movie was made for fans of the already existing franchises of both the RTS game and the MMORPG game.
NGL the independence day comparison was kinda funny
Can you do everything wrong with everything wrong with Ghost Rider
And please make it known that the hell cycle is able to drive on water along with all of other abilities.
GOD BLESS
B E N I S
I played WarCraft 3, and I looooved how close to the games all the designs were. The armors, the buildings, the orcs, the elves, it just all looked awesome and like the game planted on the big screen. Also, I loved how they visualized the magic.
About the story ... it was okay. It was an introduction to the world, the characters and story were secondary to it. The story still wasn't bad, mind you, and the characters were likable enough, especially Durotan, Garona and Khadgar. It really is a shame that this movie wasn't succesful enough, since the stories of the later games could have made for awesome movies.
Also I'd like to say that WarCraft was, without a doubt, the best videogame-adaption I've ever seen, much better than Resident Evil, Prince of Persia or all the other crap. Also one of the very, very few good fantasy-movies outside the Tolkienverse. A shame there won't be a sequel.
5:25 That's a crow, not an eagle.
Did Jeremy even watch the movie? I mean, I assume he had to to lie about so many different plotholes that don't actually exist.
Can you do the TV Sins "Everything Wrong With Stranger Things "Chapter 1: The Vanishing of Will Byers"" please? Some the sins are unfair.
You forgot to correct the fact that the guardian turned into a crow, not an eagle.
How can someone dislike this?
5:35...nooo considering night is the only time you can catch a vampire. Keeping them in the cell overnight usually means they would be dead by first light. Considering they can't go anywhere and they would die as soon as the sun rises. You let them go before then...it wouldn't be overnight now would it?
why can you only catch a vampire at night.
Casey Wensnahan in the context of this point. it’s ridiculous to catch a vampire during the day...drag him into this cage in order to kill them during the day...
i have zero idea if it was already pointed out, but: 3:55 arent there orcs riding horses right in frame?
lmao the yogg saron shot...and it reminded me of the king's death and the same scene in the raid
Can you do Everything wrong with Everything wrong with Get Out?
Jeremy: This movie has someone saying the word 'hi' in it, that means it's the same movie as this other movie.
Wait, this is getting ridiculous. He compared a fistfight with rocky. "Alright boys, we can't have fistfights ever again in movies, we're just ripping off rocky, the first movie to have two people punching each other!"
Could you do The Greatest Showman? Aside from my personal opinion that he treats the film unfairly, he has several sins basically amounting to "Barnum was a bad person" but there's so little variety and substance to those comments that it makes me think he read one time that Barnum was racist and thought "Oh cool, it's 'in' to hate on Barnum, I can milk that for sins."
saying warcraft orcs are a rip off of tolkien orcs is ridiculous because like warcraft is one of the primary inspirations for orcs that deviate from tolkien, to the point tvtropes even lists orks as being either tolkien blizzard style orcs
I played the game afew times. The grinding got old fast, so I tried just mining, mindless, but maybe I could make some in game money. Got attacked by shit that I was in no way bothering. Very unfun time. I have not seen this movie and probably never will. Thank you for your videos.
Dunno if it was intentional or not but at 0:10 it says "to buy Hearthstone"
Man his criticisms of the city saying stormwind made me lose brain cells
Jeremy sees a really good fight scene: "They must be ripping off Rocky"
(Advanced warning this is an absolute essay I’ve written here) Im a massive Warcraft nerd and generally liked the Movie I didn’t like some of the lore changes like how there’s only one warlock Gul’Dann, there’s no ogres in the Horde, they heavily implied that Gorona was a Human Orc hybrid instead of a Draenie (the blue dudes from the beginning) Orc hybrid, they never showed Blackhands children who were major Horde leaders originally, Orgrimm Doomhammer was a frost wolf removing much of the weight from his and Durotans friendship (he was originally a Black Rock which is the clan lead by Blackhand who doesn’t like Durotan), Gul’Dann was never that strong thats why he turned to the Fel (Demon Magic), the human city of stormwind (the major city in the movie) should have been destroyed and taken by the Horde in the end of the movie, and theirs many more but these were some of the bigger ones and the last one I’ll add is that existence of the Fel and it’s deadly and corrupting properties should have been common knowledge to the people of Azeroth (the world where the movie takes place) as they have dealt with the Legion (the major force of the Demons) many times and made sure to record it and spread the knowledge as far as possible so future generations would be able to affectively combat them.
So my last name is Wolfanger, bow down to me, for now, I rule you.
Not sure it's a missed sin, or... what, BUT: Corona is.... Spanish, I think, for "Crown"
do an everything wrong with Everything Wrong With Battle for Mewni (Part 1)
Yayyyyy new video, even though I’ve never watched the movie let alone hear about it
I have never understood the idea that it’s strange for certain effects to only affect the weaker minded. It is fairly standard for abilities that charm or otherwise bend minds to be best resisted by those with stronger will (see every charm effect in dnd).
Nice work!
I dont even like Warcraft (the games) and I was pissed about how much Jeremy was misrepresenting literally all of the film
You should totally do 'everything wrong with The transformers: the movie'
Just wait until you do a SinsSins video on "EWW Pacific Rim: Uprising", which is also rife with "this movie, that movie" sins.
"Just once, I'd like to see great power cause absolutely no moral of physical problems."
I know, right? Who'd want things like attaining great power to cause conflict and drama in the story, or have downsides that might keep a character from - as a non-specific example - immediately becoming overpowered and resolving shit in the first half an hour?
Do some videos on his Lord of the Rings sins.
you should do everything wrong with Everything Wrong With Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie or everything wrong with Everything Wrong With The Power Rangers (2017)
It was even stated to be separate from the games.
Do E. Is W. W. Birdemic. Consider it a challenge.
Ooooo! Sick burn😆
Please do eww the golden compass it had SO MANY THIS MOVIE THAT MOVIE
3:53 homie they are riding horses in clip and you're saying they're too big to ride on horses? Thats a bit contradicting. Just a small mistake.
The punishment is ... This Movie That Movie!
I feel like I've seen this before, like a long time before. Maybe it was a Patreon preview.