WWII Fake History - A How to be a Historian show
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- How to be a Historian - WWII Fake History
With Jo Hedwig Teeuwisse
Part of an ongoing series about Historians, Museums, Projects and Content Creators
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In this show we talk to Jo Hedwig Teeuwisse about how she became a historian, her Fake History book and the phenomenon of myths and fake history becoming accepted as true. We will use a few false facts from WWII, along with some from other eras as examples.
Did Hugo Boss design the Nazi uniforms?
Did medieval people think the world was flat?
Did Napoleon shoot the nose off the Sphinx?
Spoiler Alert The answer to all those questions is no.
Jo Hedwig Teeuwisse, better known as The Fake History Hunter, is a widely-recognised historical authority for her work on social media debunking historical 'facts'. For over 20 years, Jo has studied, taught and researched history and is an expert in the daily life of Medieval Europe, life in the 1930s and 1940s, and the history of crime. She has worked as a historical consultant teaching in museums, advising on documentaries and carrying out research for films.
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Excellent talk. The myths of the Luftwaffe drove my research toward exposing its strategic involvement in the Holocaust while also confronting serious resistance from academics and writers who wanted the myths to stand.
Sure needed this. I wrote a world history textbook when I taught for a homeschool organization. Then when I got my Master's degree I was shocked in realizing I needed to rewrite my book because so much of what I was taught in high school and in my bachelor's degree about history were total BS. Learning so much on this channel. Very grateful. (Yes, regarding WW2 I was duped by Robert Stinnett, Harry Elmer Barnes, Charles Beard, etc. etc.)
Isn't it more annoying when you realise that your teachers are being taught to teach rubbish, the government body that writes the syllabus tells them to teach it, the exam bodies punish people for thinking differently and the press (looking at you, Daily Mail!) demands that teachers do a better job of teaching that rubbish?
Don't get me wrong - I'm not a conspiracy theorist - but there's a fine line between historiography and dogma
Regarding tour guides, they often earn tips based upon *how entertaining* their stories are ... not how historically accurate they are. I usually keep that in mind when evaluating the accuracy of their "history."
Woody/Jo, What an interesting thought provoking chat. It has been said that the first casualty in any war is truth! That true with today’s conflicts and remains after the cessation of hostilities! Thank you both. Bob
This was a subject I hadn’t thought about before. Many thanks Jo and Woody, a brilliant presentation, great that WW2TV, covers all diverse subjects.
This is so good because so many people think History is a fixed subject matter and we just have to memorize the facts and we know History. Good to remind people History is fluid because we learn new things which changes what we know and that's exciting. It also is a good intro into sources and that whole can of worms.
That is revisionism. A word hated by myth perpetrators.
If new evidence comes to light, then revision of that history is needed.
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Excellent point. Slowing the spread of misinformation is an excellent first step.
Wonderful episode. Thanks.
It’s the dunning-Kruger effect at work
This was an informative and amusing presentation. Jo is very engaging, easy to listen to and inspiring in her persuit of fakery in history. thank you WW2TV.
If only that magic word "Source" worked on people like the psuedo-historian Graham Hancok; he just come up with "I'm just asking questions; oh look, squirrel!"
Nice to see this show with THE (one and only) fake history hunter -- always like her posts on the socials.
Another era that has my interest, the later Stuart period (Glorious Revolution, Spanish Succession etc) is also decorated with myths and erroneous gossips held as truth that keep resonating into our era.
Inspiring discussion. It was a reminder to me to ensure that the sources I may use in the writing of my own book are verified for correctness, not only the textual ones, but the photographic as well. I think there is nothing wrong with using an image that is representational of the subject one is writing about. I must be stated as so in the credits that it is, so that the reader is told the truth.
Excellent and very interesting again Paul. Have you ever done anything on the 10th HLI during WW2 ? My father was in this battalion after the battle of Caen when the battalion he landed with 5th East Yorkshire's suffered a near total wipe out.
Cool show! Jammer dat ik de live uitzending heb gemist (too bad I missed the live show)!
Excellent discussion. Thank you Paul and Jo.
Really love your channel. I learned a lot from your Normandy and Italy videos.
A subject I would like to see discuss would be La División Azul, because they are honestly a very interesting foreign volunteers unit of the German army. There are good books and videos, tho for us spanish speakers, while barely anything good in English language discuss publicly unless you search on the internet.
'History Awareness' involves a little personal time put into reseach that allows instant 'Time-Travel without the cost of a not yet invented time machine.
This was superb. I frequently come across things related to the occupation of the Channel Islands which are just wrong so I can totally identify with a lot of what was said. Particularly when you point out on social media that something is not quite what it was made out to be and is untrue. Often the author of the original post becomes very defensive and says what do you know about it. Pointing out I live there and I have the documents from the archive often leads to being blocked!
Interesting topic. AI definitely going to make folks have to work harder to verify things. Thanks for another great show
Didn't some average height French man once say that "History is a lie agreed upon." ?
No, he popularised the saying but even he himself said it wasn't his :)
An excellent and important show. Critical thinking is an important skill that people need when consuming history content. Unfortunately, people believe what they read or say without considering the agenda of the creator.
Another great show, very interesting
Great discussion.
Q. There's a story of napoleon saying his hand was in his jacket because he had a bellyache. Seened peculiar to me. 😅
Fantastic show
Thanks for this presentation, it should almost be compulsory for high school history students, people who comment on history on the internet, tour guides, and some very well-established authors!
I think we in the Anglosphere have the especial problem of British propaganda, as discussed here. Short Napoleon, Galland wanting a squadron of Spitfires, James Cook discovering Australia.... these are 'headline' myths. But there are much more insidious lies: the English 'take' on the French Revolution goes something like "it started off with good intentions but got out of hand and became an out-of-control bloodbath" (subtext: peasants and workers, suck it up because your desire for basic rights will only lead to hell on earth).
As a colonial, SO MUCH English history about Europe is basically in service of the class system, that about the world in service of justifying Empire. Even today, these foundations have enormous influence (I suspect but cannot prove French and German history is better-placed because the class system is weaker there, though they of course have other baggage). I would suggest this greatly influences First World War history and the barrage of books debunking again and again certain specific criticism of the BEF high command.
As kids we were told that only a handful of Oxbridge graduates/rich private school kids flying Spitfires stood between us and and a German invasion, so we should all be grateful to them and the system which gave them privilege. As many know that this was bunkum. It was used to reinforce the class system in the UK which in the 1940s was very strong.
In the 1960s Tory cabinets were exclusively men from private schools/Oxbridge, yet only around 6% of pupils went to private schools. Harold Wilson came to power in 1964 who went to Wirral Grammar school, an excellent state school. There was ridicule from the Tory media, as he was socially unsuitable at least. Times change and a new cabinet just formed having around 6% privately educated, which happens to be around the percentage of private school kids.
So will all this cascade how to how we view history?
Who on the earth in history actually believed that the world was flat? From one online source, "By the 5th century B.C., it was widely accepted that the Earth is a sphere." Is that not true?
Given there is still a Flat Earth society and hundreds of videos on UA-cam by people "proving" the earth is flat, it has not even gone away in 2024. But yes, you are correct that the ancient Greeks were already on board with the sphere concert by the 5th Century. But given humans have been around for 190,000 years or so, people believed the earth was flat, or at least had no concept of it being a ball in space for about 180,000 years.
Excellent questions, Paul, to a great guest.
ETA: Eagerly anticipating your book.
Are you planning on having Jo back to discuss some of the actual debunked history in her book? This episode was an interesting discussion, but I would like to hear some of her debunked stories.
Well we did a couple of examples, but there are only a handful of WW2 examples in the book. The reason I wanted to talk to her was more about the process
@@WW2TV It was an interesting session
The examples she gave apparently was in the book, if not discussed in great deatail here. If that fails you - why don't invest in her work by buying the book, or maybe a discounted e-book?
How does an amateur historian deal with the situation where the official record conflicts with several eyewitness accounts? At some point do you just have to decide what you believe?
That is a constant problem
Eye witness accounts aren’t necessarily accurate either. Memories fade, tunnel vision, lack of general awareness of the situation etc can all lead to inaccuracies in eye witness accounts. I witnessed a simple crime, a drunk breaking a window. As luck would have it as I turned the next corner a police officer was there. I gave my description of the baddie , told him what I saw and off I went. 10 minutes later I drove by again and the baddy was standing across the street watching the police inspect the damage…the funny part…the description I had given less than 5minutes prior, and likely 2 minutes after the incident was completely wrong. I personally the baddie, so I was sure it was the same person… from own experience, I’m very hesitant to 100% trust first hand accounts of events. Now if 5 or 100s have similar accounts then the “history” carries more weight.
I'm hornier than a viking hat shop right now😂
Not for me. Hardly anything to do with WW2. I wish Jo all the best with her book.
The problem of fake history is in all periods
As Salaam alaykum Woody and Jo. A wonderful talk. AI creeps me out too. I wonder how much is used in Ukraine and Palestine? Dank je wel Jo en thanks Woody. X Abe uit Australie
The BS on the Telly news all day & night would be a full time job for thousands to “fact check”. Could solve the unemployment problem!
It ruined Python's Spam sketch for me.😢
AI is becoming so good I hate to think how much it will fuel the history conspiracy theorists.
I fear this will only increase with AI. I am horrified at the number of "history" sites that are just the robot voice repeating something they stole or copied from some other AI site. There needs to be a green check or verification to show what came from a real historian and what came from a robot!
Alas, I don't think that will happen, but I would love some sort "blue tick" on UA-cam for channels with some sort of accreditation
Next you'll be telling me that Black Adder isn't historically accurate!
Come on now?!?! Surely making sh*t up and seeing who buys into it should be appreciated as an art form?!? 😊