Great explanation of the differences in these. I already have a decent clip of wavetable synths, but am eyeing the Wavestate, as the sequencer is pretty unique. Thanks!
Thanks for that. Love my Modwave, the more I play it the more I get out of it. I found the presets to be a bit to much for using in my tracks but creating your own sounds is really simple. I have a Watcher of the Skies patch that I am giving away and plan to do a free sound set soon.
Im on the fence about the modwave as I already have the wavestate 🤔I know they are different in some ways but they both get me to where I want to go which is big lush and complex pads. You can get a sort of wavetable scan effect I the wavestate with multiple waveform samples. What I do like about the modwave is the simplicity of workflow compared to the wavestate - although the more I use the wavestate, its actually pretty simple too...but can somewhat time consuming.
i use ableton for this, go to the preferences menu in ableton - go to the plugins tab - set multiple plugin windows to on and set auto hide plugin to off. Now you can open multiple synths at the same time in ableton.
Hello Qui, thank a lot for approaching this topic. It was not so clear for me and, to be honnest, it is still not so clear, I'm sorry ! I used to play with Korg Wavestation and later, with Korg Kronos and its wavesequences (I know you know it very well !!). In Kronos wavesequences, we can use user samples or rom samples or rom simple waves. Doing that, as you know, we can loop wavesequences. When we read Korg website description, we see that the Wavestate is called "Wave Sequencing Synth" and the Modwave is called "Wavetable Sytnth". So, in both cases they use *Waves* , be in sequences or in tables. In the both, we can use user samples as part of a sequence or table. In the both we can loop part or all. And we could say that a "sample" is a "wave" or that a "wave" is a "Sample"'. Just an example : if I sample a saw waveform coming from my Moog Grandmother and I keep just one cycle, and loop it, I get a waveform, but it's a sample ! Then, I can put it in a Wavestate or in a Modwave. Finally, what is the difference ? Finally, we could sumarize the topic in one new question : *"What are the differences and the similarities between Wavesequences and Wavetables"* . It would be great if you could explain it. Thanks a lot.
in short: you are right, even a single cycle waveform is a sample in a wavetable synth. Basically a wavetable is a collection of very short samples grouped together. The main difference is that when you use a sample in a wavestate you always play the entire sample. In the modwave you can select one minisample out of that complete sample. For instance the basic 1 wavetable on a modwave has 4 single cycle waveforms. A saw, square, triangle and a sine. If you play that complete sample on a wavestate you will hear those four singe cycle samples behind eachother. In the modwave you can position your source to a single cycle waveform. I've demonstrated this in this video with the vocal sample of the qui robinez pad. There i showed that i can start the sample from the second word in the sample. I could even isolate one letter out of it, or skip letters in that sample, or change the harmonics of the selected sample. These things aren't possible on a wavestate, it's a very different technique of sound design. So for instance when you sample your saw waveform from your moog grandmother you can convert that to a sample, now an Analog or Virtual Analog synth has some imperfections in the signal which makes it unique. By capturing that to a wavetable you have the possibility to use that behavior to your own advantage and create unique sonic flavors by selecting different positions in that wavetable, or automation between those position. To conclude, the modwave makes it possible to create your own oscillators by feeding it with wavetables (which are basically a set of samples behind eachother) and position your starting point and select up till one (or more) single cycle waveforms. Then you can manipulate that oscillator you created by modifying the harmonics of it or even stretch, window and many more options in that oscillator , all in real time. Then you have created your sound source to work with and then you can design your sound through subtractive synthesis techniques. It's absolutely fenomenal once you understand wavetable synthesis.
@@quirobinez Thank you very much Qui. So, if we want to summarize, considering that the Modwave can read either the entire or a part of a sample, could we say that the Modwave is able to do what the Wavestate does but the Wavestate is unable to do what the Modwave does ?
@@liviou2004 no, the modwave can't do what the wavestate can do, the wavestate can create sounds by combining different samples in a rythmic and crossfading way, the modwave can't do that
You've cornered yourself with the concept of samples. Neither instrument is a sampler and nor is your Grandmother. Waveforms in most basic form are generated by oscilators: a sine, a triangle, a saw, a square wave. The answer is in your question: wavesequencing plays a sine then a triangle then a saw then a square in a sequence one after the other; wavetable, because the waves are stacked in what is called a table from near to far (or bottom to top depends how you prefer to view it), transitions from a sine to a triangle to a saw to a square within that table. To keep it simple think of it as a direction: wavesequence - from left to right, wavetable - from near to far. If you pause the video at 1:28 you can see the Wavestate layers play lanes from left to right, whereas Modwave transitions from near to far (over many waves in the table). Both synth complexify the two concepts by introducing multiple lanes of multiple waves of independent loop lengths and multiple oscilators with multiple tables and multiple mods, etc.
Great explanation of the differences in these. I already have a decent clip of wavetable synths, but am eyeing the Wavestate, as the sequencer is pretty unique. Thanks!
Thanks for that. Love my Modwave, the more I play it the more I get out of it. I found the presets to be a bit to much for using in my tracks but creating your own sounds is really simple. I have a Watcher of the Skies patch that I am giving away and plan to do a free sound set soon.
Does Phaseplant outperform Modwave?
It's 2023... are you ever going to release your sound pack?
You are feeding into my G.A.S. too much, I have to be careful before I watch more of your videos ;-)
Im on the fence about the modwave as I already have the wavestate 🤔I know they are different in some ways but they both get me to where I want to go which is big lush and complex pads. You can get a sort of wavetable scan effect I the wavestate with multiple waveform samples. What I do like about the modwave is the simplicity of workflow compared to the wavestate - although the more I use the wavestate, its actually pretty simple too...but can somewhat time consuming.
I'm looking forward to your 20 to 30 hour-long deep-dive modwave video :)
Such a fantastic video, Love your Presets and work
I went for the wavestate. Plenty possibilities, lots to learn, no regrets!
thanks for the insight
Hi Qui
Please can you release your sound pack. Please my friend. Can i ask how do you setup the korg wavestate and modwave to simultaneously.
i use ableton for this, go to the preferences menu in ableton - go to the plugins tab - set multiple plugin windows to on and set auto hide plugin to off. Now you can open multiple synths at the same time in ableton.
Hi Qui. Thank you so much for your reply. I did want to also ask when you plan to release your sound packs. If possible do you have email address.
Hello Qui, thank a lot for approaching this topic. It was not so clear for me and, to be honnest, it is still not so clear, I'm sorry !
I used to play with Korg Wavestation and later, with Korg Kronos and its wavesequences (I know you know it very well !!). In Kronos wavesequences, we can use user samples or rom samples or rom simple waves. Doing that, as you know, we can loop wavesequences.
When we read Korg website description, we see that the Wavestate is called "Wave Sequencing Synth" and the Modwave is called "Wavetable Sytnth". So, in both cases they use *Waves* , be in sequences or in tables. In the both, we can use user samples as part of a sequence or table. In the both we can loop part or all. And we could say that a "sample" is a "wave" or that a "wave" is a "Sample"'.
Just an example : if I sample a saw waveform coming from my Moog Grandmother and I keep just one cycle, and loop it, I get a waveform, but it's a sample ! Then, I can put it in a Wavestate or in a Modwave.
Finally, what is the difference ?
Finally, we could sumarize the topic in one new question : *"What are the differences and the similarities between Wavesequences and Wavetables"* .
It would be great if you could explain it. Thanks a lot.
in short: you are right, even a single cycle waveform is a sample in a wavetable synth. Basically a wavetable is a collection of very short samples grouped together. The main difference is that when you use a sample in a wavestate you always play the entire sample. In the modwave you can select one minisample out of that complete sample. For instance the basic 1 wavetable on a modwave has 4 single cycle waveforms. A saw, square, triangle and a sine. If you play that complete sample on a wavestate you will hear those four singe cycle samples behind eachother. In the modwave you can position your source to a single cycle waveform.
I've demonstrated this in this video with the vocal sample of the qui robinez pad. There i showed that i can start the sample from the second word in the sample. I could even isolate one letter out of it, or skip letters in that sample, or change the harmonics of the selected sample. These things aren't possible on a wavestate, it's a very different technique of sound design.
So for instance when you sample your saw waveform from your moog grandmother you can convert that to a sample, now an Analog or Virtual Analog synth has some imperfections in the signal which makes it unique. By capturing that to a wavetable you have the possibility to use that behavior to your own advantage and create unique sonic flavors by selecting different positions in that wavetable, or automation between those position.
To conclude, the modwave makes it possible to create your own oscillators by feeding it with wavetables (which are basically a set of samples behind eachother) and position your starting point and select up till one (or more) single cycle waveforms. Then you can manipulate that oscillator you created by modifying the harmonics of it or even stretch, window and many more options in that oscillator , all in real time.
Then you have created your sound source to work with and then you can design your sound through subtractive synthesis techniques. It's absolutely fenomenal once you understand wavetable synthesis.
@@quirobinez Thank you very much Qui. So, if we want to summarize, considering that the Modwave can read either the entire or a part of a sample, could we say that the Modwave is able to do what the Wavestate does but the Wavestate is unable to do what the Modwave does ?
@@liviou2004 no, the modwave can't do what the wavestate can do, the wavestate can create sounds by combining different samples in a rythmic and crossfading way, the modwave can't do that
You've cornered yourself with the concept of samples. Neither instrument is a sampler and nor is your Grandmother. Waveforms in most basic form are generated by oscilators: a sine, a triangle, a saw, a square wave. The answer is in your question: wavesequencing plays a sine then a triangle then a saw then a square in a sequence one after the other; wavetable, because the waves are stacked in what is called a table from near to far (or bottom to top depends how you prefer to view it), transitions from a sine to a triangle to a saw to a square within that table. To keep it simple think of it as a direction: wavesequence - from left to right, wavetable - from near to far. If you pause the video at 1:28 you can see the Wavestate layers play lanes from left to right, whereas Modwave transitions from near to far (over many waves in the table). Both synth complexify the two concepts by introducing multiple lanes of multiple waves of independent loop lengths and multiple oscilators with multiple tables and multiple mods, etc.
@@mack_solo so, what is the main difference? can someone explain it as if it was explained to a kindegarten school child? thanks