This makes so much sense to me. i have always had a feeling that these were in fact not human beings. So appreciate your commentaries/educational videos❣️
Amen. I came to this conclusion about 12 years or so ago and I think it makes everything make so much more sense. Specially when looking at the ancient world and things to come. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you so much for this video, Joel. It is the exact video I'm looking for for a friend of mine who argues that the sons of God were humans. And he procrastinates to read Gary Wayne's book, The Genesis 6 Conspiracy. I listened to you on Blurry Creatures pertaining to the bones of Moses and it was so intriguing. I struggled a bit to follow you though, due to your fast talking speed. Even though UA-cam and other platforms such as Podbean have speed controls, it can be frustrating as the interviewer talks at a slower pace. Might I suggest talking slower. This will especially be helpful to listeners from third world countries who don't have English as their first language. Thanks again for thought-provoking information!
First saw you on Blurry and I have really dove into your views. I would love your opinion on what Bible is truest English translation from the Hebrew.. KJV is definitely not it for me
I’ve noticed that even the notes in some of my bibles refer to the sons of god are humans kings. What bible would you recommend to read? Anything that can help me find answers
Keep the faith and do not be swayed by growing opinions or likes and comments on your podcasts or pages. Stay humble and follow God. I pray your work draws others to the Lord. Thank You 🙏
Though I appreciate your perspective on who the “sons of God” are in Gen. 6, I personally am on the fence, and here’s why. First, I will admit that the passage in Gen. 6, let’s say V’s.1-8, seemingly infer three different groups here, “sons of God”, “man”, or “mankind”, and the “Nephilim”. And it’s interesting how the passage does seem to imply a cause and effect if you will, a definitive influence of one over another, somehow. I also find it interesting that the passage reads as follows in V.4....“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them”....Which appears to imply that the Nephilim aren’t necessarily a product of the “sons of God” having relations with daughters of mankind, because they were there prior to that, as well as after. And, the fact that the emphasis is placed on the wickedness of MANKIND in V.5, not sons of God, raises another question as to what’s really going on here. I also want to point out that Hebrew 1:5 says this....“For to which of the angels did He ever say, “You are My Son, Today I have fathered You”?....This implies God has only called Jesus His Son, at least in this context. Having said all that, I am certainly not opposed to the idea of a “cosmic rebellion”, even the possibility of fallen angels/demons somehow pro-creating with human women, as strange as that is to digest, and stretches our Western theological paradigm. I however personally believe that this passsge is simply telling us that there was definitively wicked influences from spiritual beings, working through human agency, even possession, just as they still do today, thus, the main thing to understand is that men were wicked and God dealt with it, resulting in a flood. We not only have what I label the “SIN virus”, but we also have the spiritual influences, principalities, rulers of the air that we struggle with, just as Eph. 6 has told us for good reason. Either way, there is an influence here. Nonetheless, Gen. 6., in my perspective, just does not come right out and say EXACTLY what is all being conveyed here in fine detail, leaving abiguity, a mystery, though gets the main point across for us to understand the seriousness of SIN. I’d like to know anyone’s thoughts about what I’d posted here, I’m definitely open to it, humbly!
I've done some of my own looking into this as well. The historian Josephus writes that the passage was referring to Angels. Now Josephus isn't infallible, but considering that 1) it was a commonly accepted version of history at that time. (And the Jews knew their own history better than most western scholars today) 2) Jesus didn't refute this view. 3) many of the apostles refer to parts of this historic view as if factual (angels sinning, being chained in gloomy darkness, etc) So in my opinion, the weight of evidence lies with the view that the 'sons of god' in gen 6 refer to Angels. I think Hebrews 1:5 has too much potential for translation and context difference between Greek and Hebrew for me to pin a strong argument on against the angelic view
The sons of god are human rulers , elohim is from the moon archetype , which is the archetype of human rulers , jesus was saying to the Jews who denied he was the son of god does it not say in your law , ye are gods sons of the most high , it tells you in a number of passages that the Elohim were rulers , so don't lie ,
Heard you on Blurry Creatures and then you discovered you are part of Transformation Church and wow such a beautiful small word
I dove into this subject about a month ago. The ramifications open up a whole new world in looking at scripture regarding the spiritual world.
This makes so much sense to me. i have always had a feeling that these were in fact not human beings.
So appreciate your commentaries/educational videos❣️
Amen. I came to this conclusion about 12 years or so ago and I think it makes everything make so much more sense. Specially when looking at the ancient world and things to come. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you so much for this video, Joel. It is the exact video I'm looking for for a friend of mine who argues that the sons of God were humans. And he procrastinates to read Gary Wayne's book, The Genesis 6 Conspiracy.
I listened to you on Blurry Creatures pertaining to the bones of Moses and it was so intriguing.
I struggled a bit to follow you though, due to your fast talking speed. Even though UA-cam and other platforms such as Podbean have speed controls, it can be frustrating as the interviewer talks at a slower pace. Might I suggest talking slower. This will especially be helpful to listeners from third world countries who don't have English as their first language.
Thanks again for thought-provoking information!
They were they were from a higher caste
Thank you for sharing, brother! Very much appreciated. May God Bless and Keep you and yours!
This is very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to explain.
so amazing
First saw you on Blurry and I have really dove into your views. I would love your opinion on what Bible is truest English translation from the Hebrew.. KJV is definitely not it for me
What if? I'm right there with ya
I’ve noticed that even the notes in some of my bibles refer to the sons of god are humans kings. What bible would you recommend to read? Anything that can help me find answers
Michael Heiser
Absolutely. He was my doctoral advisor :)
I just discovered you on blurry creatures.... Soon as I heard you Heiser ... I was hooked.
Keep the faith and do not be swayed by growing opinions or likes and comments on your podcasts or pages. Stay humble and follow God. I pray your work draws others to the Lord. Thank
You 🙏
Do you feel Satan is with the Sons of God who have gone astray because he was the one who led them from God?
Though I appreciate your perspective on who the “sons of God” are in Gen. 6, I personally am on the fence, and here’s why.
First, I will admit that the passage in Gen. 6, let’s say V’s.1-8, seemingly infer three different groups here, “sons of God”, “man”, or “mankind”, and the “Nephilim”. And it’s interesting how the passage does seem to imply a cause and effect if you will, a definitive influence of one over another, somehow. I also find it interesting that the passage reads as follows in V.4....“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them”....Which appears to imply that the Nephilim aren’t necessarily a product of the “sons of God” having relations with daughters of mankind, because they were there prior to that, as well as after. And, the fact that the emphasis is placed on the wickedness of MANKIND in V.5, not sons of God, raises another question as to what’s really going on here.
I also want to point out that Hebrew 1:5 says this....“For to which of the angels did He ever say, “You are My Son, Today I have fathered You”?....This implies God has only called Jesus His Son, at least in this context.
Having said all that, I am certainly not opposed to the idea of a “cosmic rebellion”, even the possibility of fallen angels/demons somehow pro-creating with human women, as strange as that is to digest, and stretches our Western theological paradigm. I however personally believe that this passsge is simply telling us that there was definitively wicked influences from spiritual beings, working through human agency, even possession, just as they still do today, thus, the main thing to understand is that men were wicked and God dealt with it, resulting in a flood. We not only have what I label the “SIN virus”, but we also have the spiritual influences, principalities, rulers of the air that we struggle with, just as Eph. 6 has told us for good reason. Either way, there is an influence here.
Nonetheless, Gen. 6., in my perspective, just does not come right out and say EXACTLY what is all being conveyed here in fine detail, leaving abiguity, a mystery, though gets the main point across for us to understand the seriousness of SIN.
I’d like to know anyone’s thoughts about what I’d posted here, I’m definitely open to it, humbly!
I've done some of my own looking into this as well. The historian Josephus writes that the passage was referring to Angels. Now Josephus isn't infallible, but considering that
1) it was a commonly accepted version of history at that time. (And the Jews knew their own history better than most western scholars today)
2) Jesus didn't refute this view.
3) many of the apostles refer to parts of this historic view as if factual (angels sinning, being chained in gloomy darkness, etc)
So in my opinion, the weight of evidence lies with the view that the 'sons of god' in gen 6 refer to Angels.
I think Hebrews 1:5 has too much potential for translation and context difference between Greek and Hebrew for me to pin a strong argument on against the angelic view
The sons of god are human rulers , elohim is from the moon archetype , which is the archetype of human rulers , jesus was saying to the Jews who denied he was the son of god does it not say in your law , ye are gods sons of the most high , it tells you in a number of passages that the Elohim were rulers , so don't lie ,