PRGR POCKET LAUNCH MONITOR
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
- The PRGR pocket launch monitor has had some great reviews so Ali thought it was time he put it through it's paces and uses Trackman 4 to give some feedback as to how good it really is.
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Just bought one of these yesterday and tried it at the range off a mat. I did get some misses with the SW. The PRGR was flat on the mat ~4 feet behind. Luckily, I live on a golf course and can practice on my local holes late in the afternoon. I mounted the PRGR on a short tripod and started hitting SW, PW, and 7i from the fairway to the green from various distances. I got much better results with the tripod (~12 inches) concerning misses. I do find that the better the quality of my shots, the better the PRGR performs. The no ball swing speed mode is a big plus. It kind of verified what I already knew that swinging harder does not mean faster.
Great little gadget for cheap money.
Cheers FJ
Ali, I find I get more consistent results by having PRGR on a little tripod, don't have the luxury of trackman or quad to compare but comparison from start to finish of speed work rather than actual numbers is very helpful👍
I might try that
Yep, mine didn’t work well at all until I put it on a little tripod
@@AliTaylorGolf be nice to know if that helps as thinking of buying 😀
This is why there is a tripod mount on the bottom of the device.
Ali did you get to try it with the tripod?
I've had my prgr for several months & I love it, objective data is so important in golf
Interesting, I would suggest that you have the unit sitting at the same height as your mat. Just put a spacer under it that is the same thickness,it may help your readings.
I bought one of these at the beginning of the first lockdown to use in my net. I then took it to the range when we were aloud out and found it was very accurate.
We have markers at our range which I also zapped to be sure.
The only thing it struggles with is it sometimes doesn’t pick up my 64* sand wedge and hardly ever pics up my 58* lob wedge. But from my 50* gap wedge right thru to my Driver I’ve found it very accurate. Great video as always 👍👍
Hi I'm thinking about getting one. I have a net at my back garden I have roughly 9 feet from my mat to the net and roughly the same behind the mat. Do you know if that's enough space?
I've seen in reviews that this monitor often has trouble picking up the high lofted wedges.
When I learned to play I had a 1 wood. I even carried a wooden 3-wood well into my high-school golf years in the 90s. The feel of hitting a wound balata ball with a wooden wood was a wonderful thing.
I’m using a Garmin G80 and I find that to be the best portable launch monitor available. Plus it doubles as a GPS and has loads of practise functions. Would be good to see the G80 vs PRGR
Over twice the price though
Compare G80 with Trackman. Don't compare unknown vs unknown.
@@larrybud check out mr.Short Game. He checked them all against skytrak, mevo, and swing caddie. PRGR came out very favourably against Skytrak, so comparing the PRGR against G80 is not really unknown v unknown.
@@seantobin515 I saw that video. PRGR in just this video is all over the place, however, because it doesn't read spin. You can't use it as your source of truth, that's why comparing it to the Quad is good.
I mean, for me anyway, +/- 5% is not good enough for distances. 150 yard shot means it's between 142.5 - 157.5 yards. I can figure that out for myself at the range hitting at targets which are lasered.
Yes I used to have the 1 wood and 2 3 4 5 woods, things seemed to be a lot simpler back then although I do like the technical stuff today
Great video. Quick question about your set up. What is the size of the room. What net are you using and what do you have behind your net? Many thanks!
It gets you in the ball park especially if it is consistent. You can at least tell if you are improving your speeds.
I've had the PRGR for several months and its great but the one flaw is what you discovered. It does not pick up on high lofted wedges. Frp PW on up, it works great. Spotty on GW and nothing after that. I've tested mine against the GC Quad they have at my PGA Tour Superstore and it his pretty much spot on. For $200, its a great little device. I especially wanted it to learn my carry distances which was always just a guess before.
This thing is a steal, I got a red one from Japan for $100 but those only read in Meters per second.
According to the manual the placement have to line up well to the ball and where you hit it or the reading will be off or sometimes no measurement other than clubhead speed.
Manual suggested the device to be placed at least 3.5 feet behind the ball.
I don't take the carry distance very seriously since they just simply take in the simple club/ball speed and smash in to factor and anything else out of the window so the carry numbers are quite optimistic or even best case scenario.
But then it's only a $100-200 device so I have keep my expectations realistic.
As a swing speed training this thing is awesome a pocket sized deice with easy straight forward setup.
Put this thing in perspective and it's Trackman that needs to reduce it's price, it still too way too expensive for most people.
I have the sc 300 , I place it on the box it came in 3 feet behind the ball. Works like a charm.
Great review I noticed the prgr was below the mat and ball would that make a difference to the numbers 🧐 looks like a fantastic piece of kit 🏌🏻♂️
I just bought a PRGR and can't wait for our Canadian polar vortex to bugger off. After watching a few reviews may I add another valuable use for this little darlin'. I intend to bring it on the course to check distances off the tee and into greens with my game balls instead of the range balls. At the range I can hopefully get some useful yardages for irons and maybe compare say a faded 7 iron against the same club hitting a draw. Thanks for the review though. I am now a new subscriber.
I'm about to get this along with an optishot 2 so I can start saving some money on going to the driving range, looks like this thing would be a worthy addition to it!
I have seen other videos comparing PRGR to track man. Each one of them included placing the PRGR on a small block of wood or the box that it came in so that the sensor on the unit is slightly above the Astroturf mat you are hitting from. In each of those other test videos clubhead speed, ball speed and carry distance were much closer than what you are seeing in this video, usually within a couple of percent
Love my prgr. Doesn't work as well outside on rainy days. But for the price it's great
Had one for a while now and I've been very pleased with the performance and particularly for the price I paid for it.
My first set of woods were Sam Snead persimmon probably from the 1950s. Driver, brassie (2 wood) and spoon (3 or 4 wood). Tiny sweet spot as no peripheral weighting and a lump of lead in the middle. Half an inch from the centre (still in the screws) was a miss-hit. Modern woods are so much easier to hit.
Modern driver heads too LARGE, look like a cantaloupe. Imagine, tennis rackets, the size of garbage can lips. I left the game after the GREAT BIG BERTHA . Then returned after the cc . size limit was created.
When i saw how HUGE the head had gotten, My first reaction was, they have to be for the visually impaired.
@@randydover3370 you are right though tennis rackets have also grown since the days of wooden frames. Not sure if big driver heads are bad for the game, make it easier for beginners to get going and we need more players in the game. I think the ball is the problem, goes too far, longer courses, slower rounds.
Thanks Ali. Great review. Going to purchase this now
Have fun!
Great content in this video! My first driver was a Wilson X-31 1W. I think it was persimmon with a nylon insert.
I have one of these and like it for all the reasons you mention. I believe the difference between PRGR and Trackman in measured distance is because Trackman calculates distance lost because of spin on your faded shots. One thing I would like is attack angle, but for the price it is very good
I bought one for myself. Love taking to the range it is fairly accurate for the price.
Would love to see another video this time with the unit level to the surface if not level then slightly higher to see result differences just curious
This would be great for practice at Home! Just Got a net for the garden, Maybe this is worth looking into
Absolutely
Works fine in my net.
I have been using one of these for 12 months. Mode switch changes between carry and total distance, as well as smash factor. Wind effect is about plus/minus of about 5 yards. Not much good with high wedge shots. I use the smash factor to identify distance of my good shoots, thereby knowing how far my best shots will go . This allows me to work on club selection decisions on the course. Should I try for my best shot or club up and go for a 3/4 swing? The numbers are close to my Arccos data.
One other thing I noticed was that if you are using single length Hybrids it works better to call them a similar iron on the club selection (i.e. 19H = 3 iron)
No metric settings.
Just ordered yesterday. Excited to give it a go!
Great review! Cool device and looks well worth the money especially with ability to work on swing speeds without hitting the ball. Have a 1 wood Wilson staff driver in garage from 70s.
Thank you, love the 1W by the way!!
I have one also from experience quite important to get the correct distance in set up
It works other sports also
Wish you could add loft of clubs because I found modern clubs are strong in loft so I tend to put the prgr further back
Yep, I’m old enough to remember 1 woods. I have a PRGR launch monitor, mine is a little buggy, it only reads about half the time.
Sadly old enough to have had a 1-wood in the bag :( Still have it propping up the garage wall .. A beautiful Cleveland Classic persimmon .
Great review. I’ve been looking for a personal launch monitor for a while now. I’m curious as to how the PRGR compares to the Rapsodo MLM and if the extra features on the MLM are worth the price increase over the PRGR.
Not only do I remember the 1W, I still have it my garage. Granted its a bit too short to be played these days, but I still have it.
If it’s percentage differences to Trackman or one of the other professional level monitors is consistent , then it is more than worthwhile. No different from converting yards to meters etc. Plus, I never take notice of total distance watching UA-cam club reviews. As you say, it is so conditional on course conditions. I will buy one - equivalent GBP150 here in the land down under!
I have one and it is very handy for speed work as you don’t need to hit a ball to get a club head speed reading. Unfortunately I hoped it would help work on wedge yardage control and that’s where it fails. Had no problem picking up readings on wedges as long as a wedge was the club selected HOWEVER the readings it gave were way off. A 3/4 sand wedge for me is 60yards, it said anywhere between 71-77yrds! Can’t work with that.
Good review and interesting. Been using the garmin G80 at the range and works alright. Would be nice if you could make a comparison video PRGR vs G8O .
I have one of these Ali, obviously has its limitations but well worth the money in my opinion, good instant feedback 👍
Great review! I just put on my wish list.
Apparently the distance discrepancy is due to prgr assumes you had a center hit & launch angle for the calculation, which greatly differs from trackman/skytrack/etc...
It picks club speed and ball speed. I think any assumptions will be more about back spin
I love mine just a note on use if you raise it an inch or so above the ground you get
better and more consistent reading .. they a defiantly worth the cost to know how far each club fly's
and with the wedges for 1/2 and 3/4 swing ii is wonderful.... By one and you be please ..
Great review. I was just looking this item today and wondering if it was worth the cost. Thanks!
Absolutely, I paid for mine!!
Just watching your first two driver shots and perhaps the difference is the PRGR is not able to distinguish between lateral spin. It was much more accurate on the second drive that was hit much straighter.
Just wish it had spin numbers as well. Since I struggle with that.
I think the differences between trackman and the PRGR must be one measures launch angle and adds that to the calculation. I do think I’ll get the PRGR black.
My first Driver was a 2 wood (made of timber) and then I upgraded to a metal 1-wood
I too remember the old woods... :(
My grandfather gave me his set of clubs about 64 years ago. The woods started with 1 and not driver. It was a Bobby Jones set of clubs.
I think the PRGR needs to be at mat level, not sure if it had a clear view if the mat was in its way. I also think that without the ability to see the actual spin it is giving distance on estimated spin based on the club chosen.
Exactly how these work, that's why some people have "accurate" distances, and others do not.
Thanks, you talked me into it... and I clicked the buy button and it's sold out :( Will have to check again soon.
Not sure if you can answer this because you prob don't slice lol BUT! Hitting into a net, if you were to slack on form and just try to wail the ball and it sliced, would the PRGR be able to tell that and thus you'd lose distance, or would it just calculate from the first bit of ball flight and swing speed?
Guy at range let me use his PRGR monitor. It was great tool to see my swing speed, ball speed and carry. It got me swinging a bit harder....he took it back when he left....after he left I was hitting bombs...sure wish i had them numbers to compare. Anyways, want to buy one. Question : How accurate is with range balls? These range balls have 2 stripes on them. I'm curious if I had a 105 swing speed and a 255 carry with the range ball would this equal a premium ball if I were to hit that? Or would the premium ball go further....all things equal.
Most range balls use a very cheap base rubber. The covers of range balls are typically made of a thicker (and firmer) Surlyn blend to make them more durable. Overall, you can expect slower ball speeds and very different performance on crucial launch characteristics such as spin and height versus a premium ball. Most golf course have a limited-flight ball range ball. Therefore, I wouldn’t use your distances on the range to benchmark your club distances
I think it's great for training on the range. The only real number I look at is ballspeed and it's pretty good at that.
That's really all these budget monitors are good for, and ball speed is good feedback. Ignore the distances on these things.
How far away from the screen/net will you have to be for it to still work properly?
Trick with the PRGR is it keeping level!
Started with £5 tripod with a spirit level, being dead level gives much better reading.
I have mine mounted on a little wall bracket solved the problem, works perfect, with the guide booklet distance.
The unit needs to be 8-10ft of the net for best chance to read. It would be interesting to test the new Titleist friendly trackman balls.
I now run side by side with an R10, not 2 yards on any shot, R10 on range mode.
Garmin have now advised to place EVA foam behind the screen to cancel out radar track for improved readings.
How far off the ground do you have it?
Just lowest tripod height 8 inch's / 20cm to get of the floor shot accurate..
Was this the "new" 2021 model?
Those numbers are way to inconsistent if your trying fine tune your yardages. That’s the whole purpose of launch monitors.
No way those swing speeds in the end were that fast thsts crazy
Great video. Remarkable bit of kit. Think I might invest when I have some spare cash. I.e. when we get back to work. Ha ha.
I had a 2 wood, my brother had the 1 wood. That was early 80’s!
So ... availability in UK?, sorry, just googled and saw available.
Does the prgr have an elevation setting or is it pre set to sea level? Thanks for the video
Not sure, I think just sea level
1-4 wood, real woods too.
What swingspeed stick are you using?
As someone else already said you have it sitting below the level of the surface off your mat. I have mine sitting on something just level with the ball for better consistency and accuracy.
Sean can I ask. How is it on reading wedges?
@@aaaoc86 Hi Adam. I only used it down to 3/4 wedges and it was fairly accurate. I did it at a range where I lasered some targets first to know for sure. A few 60’wedges were missed by it. No idea why.
@@seantobin515 thanks for replying. I'm going to chance it anyway
@@aaaoc86 I’m well happy with mine. As has been said place it on something similar to a cigarette packet box about a driver length back and your good to go.
My monitor is not showing the yards on shots under 70 mph. Is this a common issue?
Do you enter the lofts of the club? What if a 7 iron had 32deg against a 28deg 7 iron.
Hi Ali, great content. Is there any difference range balls to normal balls. Ie if I get a PRGR distance at the range for a given club, can I translate straight into game?
Depends on the range ball? Just ask how good it is at the range next time you're there.
What size is your sim room?
I should have got one of these instead of the SC200, it doesn't measure swing speed at all, just ball speed for the first 12' and everything else is calculated based on fixed data for the club that is selected.
Got one, love it ❤️
I got a new one today, 2021 model. Have a practice area on a terrace where I just swing clubs without hitting balls. Swing speed is about half of what it is in reality. If I swing a club and the speed is 70mph on my other gadget this only registers 35mph. Is that because I am not hitting a ball? I know I swing my 7 iron much faster than 35mph!
O its wayyyy, with santa this Xmas...
I have one but dont seem to get it to set up in mph its in kph ?
Does it require inputting the club when you switch clubs?
Yes
Is "w" for woods and "u" for the driver or?
U is for utility/hybrid clubs
Btw the more expensive launch monitor has a large margin of error of about 5% . I can tell cause it shows up on the screen. The PRGR seems to be just on the edge of the upper range of error of the more expensive monitor
That's not what those smaller numbers are reporting. The small numbers are averages for that club during that session, with a +/- of the current swing vs the average. While the PRGR seems to read ball speed fairly accurately, it can't calculate carry distance because it can't read spin. It's taking a "typical" spin rate for that club, which is why the club is required to be selected on the device.
I have two sets with 1-woods. Ben Hogan and McGregor
I am looking at the PRGR HS-130A. It says is has a NEW Wide Screen plus it has a fourth number it displays (Smash Factor) that is displays after swinging. It display all four numbers, Club Speed, Ball-Speed, Smash Factor, and Carry. You push the Mode button the toggle between Carry/Total. Again all four numbers are displayed instead of the model you have that displays three numbers (club speed, ball speed, carry). Is this model I'm looking at a newer model ? I'm not seeing it referenced anywhere. Again the box says it is PRGR HS-130A.
After reading your comments I did a search. I was able to see a video in Japanese and tried to determine the major difference. The only difference that I could was a larger display showing all four numbers as oppose to toggling to see the fourth number. I did see a price of $240. Unless there is significant improvement over the 120 version I think the increase price point will draw people away from PRGR.
@@nupezb I was very curious about this model and decided to make a call before purchasing. As it turns out, they told me one of the major differences is the new model has upgraded technology that gives you better feedback on higher lofted clubs, PW, A-Wedge, etc. I didn't mind paying the extra for that. Plus it just makes since being a newer model it would have better tech abilities. I purchased the newer model and love it. Can't really comment on how much better because I can't do the comparison. Maybe that's something you could consider. In any event, the PRGR is a great aid to have and I have you to thanks for that. Thanks so much for your review on the product.
Actually, I should have waited before posting. I got my PRGR in today and it’s the HS-130A model. I paid the 120A price and was surprised to see this one. I plan to go out the range soon.
After a few sessions with the HS-130a I can say the radar looks to have been improved for lofted wedges. I haven’t had any mis reads on my full wedge shots. The distance is very good too. My main use is for over speed training. I can’t complain at all.
Thanks for the feedback on your testing the HS-130A as compared to the earlier model. I did pay the extra price but I feel the extra cost was well worth the money to have the added improvement for lofted clubs. It's not the $10,000 dollar level but for the price it is amazing. I take it to the range every time I go. I would recommend paying the extra price for the newer model if you decide on the PRGR.
its decent but nobody has really got the market nailed for a portable launch monitor that is well priced!
Put it on a mini tripod will get even better results and will then pick up your full wedge shots it works for me better on a mini tripod
Hi Dave. Do you mind me asking what size is the tripod you use? My main reason for buying is for wedges. How do you find it when using wedges?
@@aaaoc86 I’ve only tried up to pitching wedge in my cage as anymore it hits the frame !! Worked ok thou used a mini phone tripod . Will hopefully get to use it down my local grass area now the winter is over and see what it’s like past a pitching wedge fella 👍🏻
@@dodgydave75 thanks for getting back to me. Think I'll order it now and suss out a mini tripod in the meantime 👍
@@aaaoc86 Andoer Mini Tabletop Tripod Phone Camera Tripod Removable Ball Head For DV DSLR That’s the tripod I got eBay
@@dodgydave75 thanks a mill 👌
I have this launch monitor and when I'm using speed sticks it almost always measures clubhead and ball speed. Even though there's no ball. When it does only register the clubhead speed the clubhead speed matches my ball speed reading when it reports the full stats. Has anyone had an issue with this? Curious if I'm getting up to 130 with the light stick or if I'm just crazy. XD
But what if the track man is wrong and pgr exact?
Based on number of balls tracked in different conditions I’ll back Trackman
The Trackman isn't the best indoor with such short ball flight. I actually would trust the PRGR more here 🤣
I would recommend looking at the Rapshody MLM over this device!
I don't think it is accurate enough for carry distance. This is my important number. I'm sure there will be an accurate, affordable device on the market before to long.
Mine has been pretty accurate on carry. I've matched it with GC Quad and at the range with my Laser when I hit two certain targets. I mean accurate within 2-3 yards anyway which is all I need to know.
@@frankzayas3103 It takes a typical spin rate for the club selected and calculates distance. If your spin rate happens to be "typical", carry distance will be accurate. If not, it will be way off.
Geez man, has a badger been chewing on your fingers? or is this a double secret golf tip we would only get on the second channel?
It is very important to hit the driver in the middle as this gives a smash factor of 1.50. When I used it my best hits, straight out of the middle of the club gave 1.42ish. I think the ball speed is ok but my 110 swing speed is in reality circa 104. Factor this in and the smash is actually more like 1.48. I cannot stress how important it is to hit the ball in the sweet spot as off centre hits easily carry 30 yards less for the same swing speed.
Middle strike can be less than 1.50 depending on loft and face angle
@@AliTaylorGolf Thanks Ali, yes wholehearted agreement. But you are right about the club speed. It does appear to over egg the numbers at higher swing speeds. Yes a glancing blow, even in the middle of the club, will never give the magical 1.50. The launch monitor for £199 is good value. You can't expect to get Trackmam performance at that price!
I’m sure good for the price but not accurate enough to make it worth it in my opinion. If you are trying to track your speed training it probably makes sense.
Ali is club speed same,, as swing speed 🤔cheers Al,,
Still should be a 1 wood 🙂 how about a spoon for a 3 wood!
Bottom line is that if it doesn't measure spin - can't calculate carry accurately. Two, it's not that your "practice swing" is faster, it's that TM is picking up the clubhead speed *at the moment of impact* which may be lower than the max swing speed that the PRGR is picking up. Three, are you *really* impressed? It's off 10%. No good.
Use it for ball speed, as that seems accurate, but with all of these budget monitors - If it can't read spin, it can't get distance. No point in dialing in distances if they're off +/- 10%.
However, you can take this PRGR with you while playing and “actually” measure how accurate the results are. For the price it was a no brainer for me.
@@nupezb If it's off by 10%, I wouldn't want it if it's free. 10% is HUGE.
Understand your concern. I saw another UA-camr actually take it on the course to verify yardage. At any rate, most people are probably going to be interested in swing speed for swing speed training and happy with the other measurements.
@@nupezb Again, if it can't measure spin, then carry yardage won't be accurate. It sets a "default" spin amount for the club selected, and if your swing happens to produce spin numbers close to the built-in default numbers, the yardage may be close. But that's pure chance.
If you're looking for swing speed measurements there are products much less expensive designed to do that.
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I’m old enough to remember the Zero wood. 💩
So. If you want to think that you’re a baller buy this thing. You’ll overestimate pretty much everything.
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Do not buy if you want to get your distances down under 75 yards. It will pick up maybe 1 in 8 shots, very disappointed and returned it. Everything else worked fairly well
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Hey.....you made me feel ancient asking who remembers a One Wood as it was only in the late 1970's for me. I was hovering over the unsubscribe button but I'll give you another chance.
not accurate enough
Was this the old model or the newer HS-130a?
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