Solid review! Think you just helped me reaffirm my first choice in a SOT. I'm a novice kayaker, but looking for a performance oriented boat that can do a bit of everything that I can grow in and develope some real skills on the water. Was leaning towards the WS Tarpon for a while, but may have to go with the Scupper 14 after this review, especially being that I'm in the Midwest and looking to do some serious paddling on lake Michigan!
Great review! I'm just curious about water retention, because of the footwell being below the water line. I know the craft is able to drain when the scuppers are opened and you get the craft up to 5 knots, but what happens if you're caught in rough water with waves cresting the bow? Also, does the interior cavity have bulk heads between areas? I'm extremely interested in this as an upgrade.
Swell scupper 12 vs Crescent Lite Tackle!??? Which one has a much better performance on rapids class 1/2, maneuverability, choppy water, windy conditions, tracking, and stability? Thanks
FANTASTIC REVIEW!!!!! now I want a Scupper 12 I believe the design of the Scuper14 is not at new, or unique to Swell. Perception debuted the Prism 14 in the 90's. It was 27" wide and had foot wells lower than the seat. Appears to me Swell refined and possibly perfected the design.
Absolutely; this design is based entirely off of the original ocean kayak scupper. The goal was to take that design and modernize it. I think they did a great job with that angle. Certainly a unique boat in todays sit on top market.
Would be curious to see comparison thoughts of these vs Eddyline Carribeans. Eddyline are nicer of course but basic the same kind of purpose in their design.
Would you take a medium sized dog, Aussie Cattle Dog, in either one of those kayaks? Is there room for a rubber mat in the bow area of either one. I like the easier feel of the 12 as you described in the excellent video. Thanks
Thanks for posting the review. Storage would be a problem with the scupper 14. So kind of narrowed it down to the scupper 12 or the sea eagle rz. I can only afford 1, leaning towards the scupper as I imagine it would perform and track better than the sea eagle rz. I live in Scotland there are retailers in England who sell both kayaks for delivery, im not in a position to try before I buy as the journey is to far.
The 12 looks like it would be a good surf boat that could also be a rec boat too. The ability to edge and manuver quickly might make it great for the surf. Please try it out there. Or better yet have a Fat Paddler try it in the surf.
Hey guys! Just finding this channel and video. Good video on the Swell Scupper 14. I researched them for a while and actually purchased a used one. I consider myself an intermediate kayaker and have paddled sit in as well as sit on top kayaks. If y’all have specific questions I would be happy to help if I can. I have kayaked mine in a bayou, river and ocean. We live in Pensacola and are lucky to have access to all types of water. 🙂
I'm over in Destin and have been pretty interested in the Swell Scupper kayaks. Doesn't look like there's anywhere in this whole part of the country that sells them though. I know it's a long shot, but if you would have any interest in some arrangement where I could come try out your Scupper 14 that would be great.
@@rjl2001let me know if you find a swell kayak to paddle. I, too, am very interested in the scupper 12. I want to know how well they paddle in our low water, shaping creeks and rivers. Thanks
I live in South Georgia, about 10 miles from the Florida border. We camp at State parks and are considering which kayak to get for those types of waters. I want a quick kayak and leaning towards a 12'. Not finding many kayak outfitters near us to demo kayaks and paddles. What would be your recommendation for a sit inside 12' kayak for recreational use? I'm 5'2" and 130 lbs.
A Pungo 120 or Liquidlogic Saluda would be solid options. If you want faster than that, check out the Wilderness Systems Tsunami 120 or the FeelFree Aventura.
Great review, but how do I try one out? I’ve called shops in Oregon and no one has them or even knows about them. I tried calling Swell Watercraft, but their phone doesn’t work. I’ve tried calling Headwaters but apparently you don’t have a shop anymore…. Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks!
Head to next adventure in scappoose... They've got a demo Scupper 12! I bought the one other Scupper 12 they had on hand after I paddled it. Fantastic kayak 👍!
Hi Great reveiw. Have you paddled either of these in choppy seas? Here in the SW of England, I'm right on the coast and dont really have any rivers or big lakes, so i will be paddling in the sea. Im really drawn towards the 14, but the 12 would be fo much easier to store and transport. Been also looking at the Tarpon 120 and perception Triumph 13. The 120 I think, will be a little too dull and functional, although it does sound like a great boat, the Triumph sounds a little more playful but again rather large to store and transport.... I just can't decide...😂
I've paddled my Scupper 12 in heavy chop, wake, and wind on the Columbia and intense gusts and wind dynamics on Coldwater Lake Mt. St. Helens ... I have no doubt it will handle seashore conditions well and look forward to taking mine to the OR/WA coast!
@@HeadwatersKayak Looking forward to that review. I’d been thinking about a LiquidLogic Deuce Coupe for solo river paddling, but I really like the look of the Scupper 14. Might catch some class II/III ww . Seems maneuverable enough for easy ww. Looking for a long, narrow SOT for Arkansas rivers. Recommendations? Paddle safely, my Friends!
remember folks, this is a sports car, not an SUV. Don't bash this boat because you expect SUV features. That is not what it is designed for. give sport performance criticism on the boat.
My friend used an ocean kayak scupper pro and says they're the best 👌🏻. Pretty much impossible to get in the UK now. Would these be a good alternative? I'm using a prowler 13 atm.
Seth, can you do a video on the safest way to "tie down" a kayak in a pickup truck? Dan doesn't like the ratchet set (he mentioned it in a "hack" video). What do you recommend and could you do a demonstration of how to tie a kayak down?
Thanks for the review on these new boats. But I would suggest a different camera angle. Your paddle blade whooshing across the left half of the screen is quite distracting.
SOT's work so much better for me with limited range of motion in hips and knees. Getting out of my whitewater crossover is comical for my friends. I have an ancient OC scupper classic I'd like to replace.
Great review. Trying to make up my mind which Scupper to buy. This seals the Deal for the 12. Can’t wait to get mine. Thank you again.
Nice review! I would like to see an "on the water" review of the Stellar S16S.
Awesome review! Good ol' sunset pond in Bellingham. It's a pretty good pond for fishing.
Where can you purchase this? Not available in Canada
Solid review! Think you just helped me reaffirm my first choice in a SOT. I'm a novice kayaker, but looking for a performance oriented boat that can do a bit of everything that I can grow in and develope some real skills on the water. Was leaning towards the WS Tarpon for a while, but may have to go with the Scupper 14 after this review, especially being that I'm in the Midwest and looking to do some serious paddling on lake Michigan!
Right on! Both those boats are great, but the Swell has a little more of a Salty Soul.
Great review! I'm just curious about water retention, because of the footwell being below the water line. I know the craft is able to drain when the scuppers are opened and you get the craft up to 5 knots, but what happens if you're caught in rough water with waves cresting the bow? Also, does the interior cavity have bulk heads between areas? I'm extremely interested in this as an upgrade.
Swell scupper 12 vs Crescent Lite Tackle!??? Which one has a much better performance on rapids class 1/2, maneuverability, choppy water, windy conditions, tracking, and stability? Thanks
That would be a great side-by-side comparison
I totally agree that it would be a great comparison. I hope that you can make it happen asap. 🚣♀️🚣🚣♂️
Great video, so helpful. Answered all my questions, I just need to make the decision on which one. i thinks its going to be the 14’.
FANTASTIC REVIEW!!!!!
now I want a Scupper 12
I believe the design of the Scuper14 is not at new, or unique to Swell.
Perception debuted the Prism 14 in the 90's.
It was 27" wide and had foot wells lower than the seat.
Appears to me Swell refined and possibly perfected the design.
Absolutely; this design is based entirely off of the original ocean kayak scupper. The goal was to take that design and modernize it. I think they did a great job with that angle. Certainly a unique boat in todays sit on top market.
Would be curious to see comparison thoughts of these vs Eddyline Carribeans. Eddyline are nicer of course but basic the same kind of purpose in their design.
You’re in luck. Will be shooting a comparison with four efficient sit on tops the spring
@@HeadwatersKayak Please do the Stealth Fusion 480 too!
How does the Scupper 12 compare to a Hurricane Skimmer 116?
Would you take a medium sized dog, Aussie Cattle Dog, in either one of those kayaks? Is there room for a rubber mat in the bow area of either one. I like the easier feel of the 12 as you described in the excellent video. Thanks
In the 12 for sure. The 14 could feel cramped in the cockpit.
@@HeadwatersKayak **WinK**. If ya secure it under the bungees behind the seat the 14 would be fine!! JKJK
How good do you think could cope with the ocean and swell ?
Thanks for posting the review. Storage would be a problem with the scupper 14. So kind of narrowed it down to the scupper 12 or the sea eagle rz. I can only afford 1, leaning towards the scupper as I imagine it would perform and track better than the sea eagle rz. I live in Scotland there are retailers in England who sell both kayaks for delivery, im not in a position to try before I buy as the journey is to far.
I'd personally go with the Scupper. If transportation is not the issue, this kayak will be more enjoyable on the water.
im looking for a kayak to spearfish (FREEDIVE) inshore what would you recommend thank you
How would this fare on class 1 and 2 rapids?
The 12 would be awesome
The 12 looks like it would be a good surf boat that could also be a rec boat too. The ability to edge and manuver quickly might make it great for the surf. Please try it out there. Or better yet have a Fat Paddler try it in the surf.
Hey guys! Just finding this channel and video. Good video on the Swell Scupper 14. I researched them for a while and actually purchased a used one. I consider myself an intermediate kayaker and have paddled sit in as well as sit on top kayaks. If y’all have specific questions I would be happy to help if I can. I have kayaked mine in a bayou, river and ocean. We live in Pensacola and are lucky to have access to all types of water. 🙂
How do you find it in rough ocean. Any problems with leak in the hatches? . Do you find it stable?
I'm over in Destin and have been pretty interested in the Swell Scupper kayaks. Doesn't look like there's anywhere in this whole part of the country that sells them though. I know it's a long shot, but if you would have any interest in some arrangement where I could come try out your Scupper 14 that would be great.
@@rjl2001let me know if you find a swell kayak to paddle. I, too, am very interested in the scupper 12. I want to know how well they paddle in our low water, shaping creeks and rivers. Thanks
Thanks for the review. How is the outside edge turn? Will these boats respond (turn) to an outside and inside edge with no paddle assistance?
Yes, the ability to drive with your hips is one of the things we really enjoyed about this kayak.
Great video! Do you know any store near Carolinas for checking out the kayak?
Not that I know of
I live in South Georgia, about 10 miles from the Florida border. We camp at State parks and are considering which kayak to get for those types of waters. I want a quick kayak and leaning towards a 12'. Not finding many kayak outfitters near us to demo kayaks and paddles. What would be your recommendation for a sit inside 12' kayak for recreational use? I'm 5'2" and 130 lbs.
A Pungo 120 or Liquidlogic Saluda would be solid options. If you want faster than that, check out the Wilderness Systems Tsunami 120 or the FeelFree Aventura.
Great review, but how do I try one out? I’ve called shops in Oregon and no one has them or even knows about them. I tried calling Swell Watercraft, but their phone doesn’t work. I’ve tried calling Headwaters but apparently you don’t have a shop anymore…. Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks!
Head to next adventure in scappoose... They've got a demo Scupper 12! I bought the one other Scupper 12 they had on hand after I paddled it. Fantastic kayak 👍!
Hi
Great reveiw.
Have you paddled either of these in choppy seas?
Here in the SW of England, I'm right on the coast and dont really have any rivers or big lakes, so i will be paddling in the sea.
Im really drawn towards the 14, but the 12 would be fo much easier to store and transport.
Been also looking at the Tarpon 120 and perception Triumph 13.
The 120 I think, will be a little too dull and functional, although it does sound like a great boat, the Triumph sounds a little more playful but again rather large to store and transport....
I just can't decide...😂
I've paddled my Scupper 12 in heavy chop, wake, and wind on the Columbia and intense gusts and wind dynamics on Coldwater Lake Mt. St. Helens ... I have no doubt it will handle seashore conditions well and look forward to taking mine to the OR/WA coast!
Great review, how do these compere too the WS trarpon?
Good Question! We have a Tarpon 140 the Scupper 14 and Eddyline Caribbean 14. We'll be doing a head to head on water comparison in April. Stay tuned!
@@HeadwatersKayak Looking forward to that review. I’d been thinking about a LiquidLogic Deuce Coupe for solo river paddling, but I really like the look of the Scupper 14. Might catch some class II/III ww . Seems maneuverable enough for easy ww. Looking for a long, narrow SOT for Arkansas rivers. Recommendations? Paddle safely, my Friends!
remember folks, this is a sports car, not an SUV. Don't bash this boat because you expect SUV features. That is not what it is designed for. give sport performance criticism on the boat.
Is it possible to add some sort of thigh braces to “lock” yourself in? Betcha you could roll the 14 if you had straps!!
You can add thigh straps to pretty much any kind of sit on top; I've definitely seen people roll wider SOTs than this, so no doubt it could be done!
My friend used an ocean kayak scupper pro and says they're the best 👌🏻. Pretty much impossible to get in the UK now. Would these be a good alternative? I'm using a prowler 13 atm.
The Scupper 14 would be a perfect alternative; lots of performance similarities.
@@HeadwatersKayak thank you, he watched your video and said it looked good 👍
Seth, can you do a video on the safest way to "tie down" a kayak in a pickup truck? Dan doesn't like the ratchet set (he mentioned it in a "hack" video). What do you recommend and could you do a demonstration of how to tie a kayak down?
Sure!
Done! ua-cam.com/video/ZggIytbNK5Q/v-deo.html
Thanks for the review on these new boats. But I would suggest a different camera angle. Your paddle blade whooshing across the left half of the screen is quite distracting.
Thanks! Good feedback; it was difficult to find a good mounting spot on these since the only geartracks are at the front of the cockpit.
Where is Dan?
Seth and I are working together to produce more videos. My (Dan) video is coming out next week. How to “Flip” a used kayak.
SOT's work so much better for me with limited range of motion in hips and knees. Getting out of my whitewater crossover is comical for my friends. I have an ancient OC scupper classic I'd like to replace.