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The "Mr. Mint" Al Rosen Attic Find of 1952 Topps baseball cards, + the $12.6 million SGC 9.5 Mantle!
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- Опубліковано 23 лют 2023
- The "Mr. Mint" Al Rosen attic find of 1952 Topps baseball cards is maybe the most famous attic find of all-time. It included the Mickey Mantle that sold in 2022 for $12.6 million after being graded a 9.5 by SGC. Here's the story.
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What do you think about Mr. Mint and this find? Did I miss anything?
Heck no I think you did a damn fine job!! I’m from central new York Utica, you never have enough shows in my area Syracuse is about it I remember meeting him at the National one year in Cleveland, not a friendly guy, thanks for sharing though,
@@robg7656 thanks!
Why don't you do a follow up video to this breaking down the estimated value of what the entire find would bring today? Also, see if you can put together a list of sales of any of the cards from the find. I know it would be tough to do but it would be interesting to get your take on it. For this I have subscribed to your channel.
Watching it right now and it's great
Rosen spent 2 days at my house in the mid 1990s. He bought a significant portion of my dads collection . He was very fair and considerate. There’s a lot of stories out there… he was a character for sure. He had many many “ finds” that are just as interesting as the 1952T hoard. Todays “ investors” are complete amateurs compared to his sports card knowledge and savvy!
That’s great! I really need to bring you on at some point for an interview. I don’t even remember what the other topic was last week that I said this about but now I’m adding a note for myself so I don’t forget.
PHENOMENAL JOB! I remember this story as early as 1987-1988. It's the one we all dream of.
From what I've read, 1952 High numbers came out between Aug/Sept 1952 and Sept/Oct 1952 when Football season was just starting. Kids usually abandon baseball for football, so this was definitely a culprit to why high numbers are scarce.
As for the 1952 case dumps, it was actually 1960 and not 1952 that they were dumped in the Atlantic. Topps owned a warehouse that they decided to clean up in 1960. They discovered all the cases and possibly OTHER cases too! Well guess what, Sy Burger said DUMP IT ALL. And away went HUNDREDS of cases of sports cards into the Atlantic :(
Yeah it’s a bonkers story
1952 Topps high number cards were most certainly dumped into the ocean. Tons of them. Sy Berger himself had said that.
I knew Al Rosen for 20 years and have mixed feelings about the man. He was always friendly to me, and we had some interesting conversations but also told me that if I ever wrote about him, he'd sue me. He was a man of his word too so I never did, I've never met a collector or dealer who was spoken to by the FBI more than him and his dealings in the All-Star Cafe Wagner case left me thinking that he knew the card was stolen. Last time I saw hi he told me he wasn't going to live very long and sure enough he didn't. That last conversation really bothers me. He's also the one who jacked up the values of Mickey Mantle's cards in the mid-to late 1970's and 1980's trying to corner the market in New York and even Baseball Cards Magazine took notice in 1981. I've got a couple of autographed business cards he gave me the last time.
I need to have you on for an interview at some point, Ryan.
@@JunkWaxHero Sure any time you want and I join you for a chat.
@@ryanmcclanahan8739 Second that
Israeli being Israeli.....
spoke to him on the phone - a nasty, mean guy
You did a great job telling the story. There is a guy that I know that is rumored to have one of those runs that Mr Mint was selling. I need to ask that guy the next time I see him. I was with Rosen for a couple buying trips to Canada. I knew him from shows and I knew how to cross the border legally and without too much of a hassle. He was a wholesale buyer, and some people were offended by his wholesale offers. His offer was basically the same for similar condition cards for everyone. I had a great time hanging out with him, and we always talked at shows. He had some great stories.
Very cool!
Mike, I’ll just say this is one of your best videos to date. I appreciate you just telling stories and not having a bunch of sponsors or ads in the way. Deserve many more subs.
Thanks so much, Jordan. I will take a sponsor at some point but I’ve rejected a handful so far that felt too disruptive or from companies I would never use.
I knew some of this story from past years. Thanks for the refresher and additionally for more details I was unaware of. This is quite the historic "attic find". Good video again.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for bringing back memories. Back in the day, when SCD was a huge, thick, newspaper type magazine, you couldn't open it up without Mr. Mint's face popping out at you on a full page ad. Great video!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
I remember the ads for the '52 find. Surprised no one posted them when the Mantle was at auction last year. Would be fun to see the prices
Excellent job looking forward to more
Love your attic finds videos. I met Mr. Mint a few times. He had many other finds including unopened wax boxes from the 50’s. Still have his autograph card and promotional button. He was a great guy, with the best cards, but sold at high prices, in those days. My 52’ Topps Mantle came from a small attic find in Pennsylvania. Made a video and told the story.
Thanks Orlando. Pretty sure I watched that video already but I'll need to go and find that one and watch again.
I don't even collect the old cards but I'm all in on this channel. Love the stories. Keep this up man u are on to something
This means so much to me!
Great job. Amazing story.
I remember buying a 1967 Rod Carew from Mr. Mint by mail back in 1987, I still have it.
Very cool!
Super! Didn’t know the back story. Preciate
i love your attic find series, watched many of them already THX U
Thank YOU!
Very well done! Attic find Friday will now be a regular watch for me.
Awesome, thank you!
Great video. Amazing how nobody really put major value on sports cards until the mid to late 80’s. Al Rosen was definitely a pioneer of collecting & selling vintage baseball cards.
No doubt!
This is a great story! Thank you for sharing!
Thanks John!
What a great story. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I was set-up at The National (no - I don't deal in cards or even in sports collectibles...but we were set-up there. We made SOME money..but not tons. Did it twice and never again. Booth prices got too high) when it took place in Cleveland, OH. Rosen was there with this bodyguards and EVEN gave me a free copy of his book. Very fascinating read....
Very interesting and informative story. Thanks Mike.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Talk about seller's remorse, but that's the risk one takes!
Very true!
Great video so you’re saying he sold a case of 1952 Topps wax That’s amazing. I’d like to be sitting on that case. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah pretty amazing
Amazing finds and I’m sure the money signs were in the eyes like cartoons lol! But good for him 👍🏽💯
My favorite Al Rosen quote- "I don't collect cards. I collect $100 bills." Thanks for sharing the video!
That’s a classic
Great job on this video!
Thank you!
I met him a handful of times at large scale mall shows in the early 90's....I remember the $100 bills in the showcase in the morning, replaced by cards most evenings. My dad knew him somehow.....but he also sold insurance and collectibles, similar personality....he would've been 81 now. I miss those days at those late 80's-late 90's card shows. Good memories.
Great story on Mr. Mint.
Glad you enjoyed it
Mr. Mint and the Doc is on UA-cam, the video is 15 years old and explains the Mantle find. This video is a must see for all baseball fans and collectors.
Looked up Al Rosen in google and what came up 1st…..great video
Nice! Thanks
Nice score for DA CARDWORLD Dave&Adam,
Great job on the attic find Mr Mint was abrasive but he was important to the hobby at that time
Agreed
Another great video Mike. I remember those adds of his. Don't get attached, definitely not a collector lol.
Exactly!
Mike I was pulling for you on Sammys trivia night. I wasn't on the chat because my tablet won't do that. But I was trying to yell some answer to you lol.
@@dougstewart5020 lol thanks Doug. I had it until the very end. I choked!
Lots of card dealers in early 1980s. I started collecting in 1981 and my small town PA had at least a dozen dealers selling and trading every weekend at Murphy's Mart.
It’s crazy that one person impacted the history of sports cards so much by saving these cards.
Yes!
I don't know how he could think straight or even want to sell this,just knowing you have these,that would be hard for me to part with,what a story,heard parts of this before,was collecting when the hobby was just shooting up leading to the junk wax era!!!
This is fascinating. I really respect this commentator.
Do you mean me?
@@JunkWaxHero yes!
@@s.macintosh-jc9rf thank you!
Mr. Rosen had at least 3 "Find" discoveries. (i.e. Find #2, Find #3). This, of course, would have been the 1st FIND, as he had to borrow money to help him with the purchase.
He always put out a full-page letter in SPORTS COLLECTORS DIGEST and BASEBALL HOBBY NEWS after The National, and commended the event organizers for a job well done (I think he liked Anaheim and Atlantic City's shows the most).
He was a longtime critic of card grading (PSA and CSA both started in 1991 as the first 2 companies, but CSA was gone within about 10 years). It took a few years before Mr. Mint finally changed his tune, and became a strong supporter of the industry.
He always had a 1 or 2 page ad in every weekly copy of SCD and BHN to tell of his newest items up for sale, and to tell of which upcoming shows he would be attending, in case someone had anything significant sports collectible (or collection) that he might want to buy.
His collection was amazing, but I could only afford to "window shop" and marvel at his most recent purchases.
This was an amazing find then, but can you imagine finding them now? Literally counting values into the 100s of millions! Crazy.
John had a near complete 52 set, only missing 5 high number commons. He also had 5 1952 salesman sample panels that were used to show stores these cards prior to their release. PSA has only graded 2 3-card panels and SGC had done none prior to ours. The 1st one to sell ends tomorrow night on eBay. John considered those panels his Rosen find and called the guy he split them with Mr. Mint.
I’ve been watching that panel for a few days… it’s so cool!
@@JunkWaxHero Agreed. They panels are consecutive Series I cards. The one currently for sale is of cards #12, 13, 14. Who knows how many they printed but it's conceivable they were literally cut from the very 1st printed sheet of 1952 Topps.
@@johnsmanycollections4662 that’s amazing… the history!
I dont have a story any thing like this,but back in like 86 or 87 i was 7 - 8 years old and just started collecting. My grandma tried giving me my dad and his 4 brothers baseball cards from when they where kids.I didnt take them not knowing the history of the game or any of the players,I just wanted ozzie and puckett. Fast forward to the mid 90s and i was at my uncles house and he had all the cards.They werent mint by no means but there was multiple mantles,mays,arron,banks,from the 50s-60s you name the player they where in there. One of my biggest regrets.
Ouch
I met Al Rosen at several baseball card shows in PA in the 1980s. He taught me a valuable life lesson when I was a kid. He showed me a baseball card in one hand and a $100 bill in the other. He said, "Kid, this thing is a piece of cardboard. And this is money." Rosen was a lot different than most middle aged enthusiasts I met at those card shows. He showed little interest in the actual sport of baseball, it's history, or memorabilia in a general sense. He was a hype man who cared about one thing, making money. He was a dealer surrounded by nostalgia addicts, like my father. He was a harbinger of the death of baseball cards as a working class hobby. Now, it's a tax dodge for rich people.
I wonder if anyone ever contacted the owner of the '52 cards who sold them for chump change to Rosen and showed him how much money he lost out on selling them to him.
Al Rosen himself lost out by not holding on to them longer.
Diamond Kings Sportscards is in Greenland NH can't believe that is still opened.
Nice video!! TY. Ill subscribe
Thanks!
Amazing story and good video. The 1952 Topps Mantle, however, is not rare. This card was double printed and there's many more of these cards in existence than we might think.
Yes, but the demand far outweighs the supply.
Awesome video new subscriber
Thanks and welcome!
I would love to see a show where they search for those cases they dumped in the ocean. I know they are ruined, but miracles do happen. Just to watch them find them and pull them up would be awesome.
That would be wild. Have to think they’re disintegrated or whatever.
@@JunkWaxHero I'm sure salt water and cardboard don't mix well. But you never know. It's possible that there was a factory plastic seal on something. I have know idea. They probably are completely gone. But I would still love to see like a 2-3 part series on the Discovery Channel. Even a single episode. It would be cool to see interviews with some of the people involved. Friends and family and the history of baseball card and Mantle and the holy grail. Just watching them planning the expedition would be cool. Wasn't there 2 bricks of 8 packs that sold in the 90's? Those were plastic sealed
You can find Mr.Mints first 1952 Topps find ad in the 7/4/86 SCD
Cool!
@@JunkWaxHero I knew Al from 1980 until his death.I was a part of a small group of elite dealers that were given first shot at every deal he brought back.Being one of the first to see the Find card's it was UNBELIEVABLE. At the store of JKJ STACKS about 8 inches high adorned the top of the store counters.cards features glistening vibrant colors snow white borders razor sharp corners Amazing! I grabbed a handful of Jackie Robinsons and there were still more Robinsons on the re.aining stack. At one point I had 4 shoebox in stock each filled with double rows of MINT FIND. CARDS.So much more to this story JOE
@@joseph6507 sounds amazing
In the late 70's and 80's there were many card dealers and card shops. I would easily guess there were more card shops then than today! Mr Mint was a promoter but really a jerk. At card shows his table was always juxta positioned at the entrance so his table was the first table you saw and came in contact with. His business style was to put you and your cards down (while carefully scanning your cards), then after putting you down and wiping the saliva from the side of his mouth, he'd try to buy your cards at a a huge discount. The more he put you down the more he wanted your cards. It was kind of despicable technique. He was not respected by collectors. My guess when Rosen went outside to get some "air" he probably pocketed a few cards. If he were a nice guy he could have made a lot more money
On a positive note he did help expand the hobby.
What's your favorite attic find story? The Uncle Jimmy Collection or the Rosen Find?
Uncle Jimmy for sure
He may not have been the first full time dealer, but he was the first hobby rock star.
Good call
That was quite a lot of money at the time to stick his neck out (and other body parts) to take that chance...but he knew what he was doing. Incredible flipping......talk about making money FAST..... Impressive. $3500 was ALOT back in 1986....you could get a decent used car for that....
If you haven't seen it, here's the story in his own words...
ua-cam.com/video/rjckQNXP4Gs/v-deo.html
Saved for later - thanks!
what happened with the sealed case???
Undetermined. Someone said it was sold by DACardworld but I’m not sure.
@@JunkWaxHero sealed empty case.....remember the story.....the seller had all the "bad" cards sitting in his kitchen in the empty case.
@@JunkWaxHero How much did Rosen sell it for?
Just wanted to throw in the fact that the high numbered cards were disposed of into the Hudson in or around 1959-1960 as documented by Sly Berger.
Yes, did I not mention this?
I've been looking to read a book about the inside workings of the Topps Company, but have never fund anything.
I met him several times in the 80's. I was a teenager and was looking to a buy a card. He assumed I had no real money and he was a jack ass. He was nice if you had good stuff to sell. But unfortunately a jerk to me
Seems like a common story
Listening to this makes me sick. That day back in 1985 that guy literally bought HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth of baseball cards, in today's money, for $125,000. I know Mr. Mint made supposedly hundreds of millions throughout his career but imagine having just a portion of those cards today. Absolutely unbelievable.
you looking at this all wrong.....he sold most of it for cheap. bout 125 and sold 400k?? i could have bought apple stock for $1 too. i hope you werent sick for long.....
Has anyone found it odd that before he dove into sports cards, Rosen sold photo copiers? Has anyone ever asked about that?
Good Lore. If you only knew the truth.
This baseball card Ken Griffey Jr upper deck rookie #A1 is extremely rare to find in any grade and because of the black borders high grade are nearly impossible. PSA 10 POP1. PSA 9 POP 2. PSA 7 & 8 POP 25 I think this is the future card high value. I collect baseball cards for the last fivty years ( Rell people true hope).
That’s a 1993. Not his rookie.
@@JunkWaxHero on front of the Card said Rookie and the back of the Card said Rookie five years consider rookie and upper deck the point is that card know worth high price and if you have the PSA 10 I will exchange Michael Jordan fleer #57 grade PSA 9
Mint examples of that card sell for good money, but I don't see it being a super high value card in the future. It's pretty much just a reprint of his Upper Deck rookie card with a black border. There is nothing too special about that card.
@@Robert-nu4vc the card cost more than $500 For PSA 9,/ Ken Griffey Jr card #A1 the story on the back of this card makes wonderful memories ( how could you give false information(reprint) when PSA consider it not
he is from the same extended family as Mark William Hofmann
that's all you need to know..
DA Card World sold the case. It's the only surviving Topps case never dumped in the ocean and that once held $300 million+ of cards. Where is the artifact now?
I wish I knew.
@@JunkWaxHero Dave & Adams called it the greatest sport card artifact. What is it worth today?
@@englishbars no clue! But it’s a lot!
Wow, you wait to do the ultimate find in order to hone your skills. Then you unveil the culmination of your skills not as a hobbyist youtuber, but as a true documentary.
Ha thanks. I wish I had the time to make better ones. I did one (history of bowman baseball cards) and really enjoyed it and think it came out nicely, but it took too long.
The "Don Robinson Rule": Don't let your wife touch your cards.
lol
Find great - Rosen was unfortunately an asshole. I remember him at a show in the early 90s where I showed him a binder of early 50s football and he basically dropped it out of his hands from 1 1/2 feet back onto the table while saying he wasn't interested. Also remember him boycotting the National because he didn't get front placement. I wish his family well.
But he can drop dead again and again and again. He yelled one time much later on as I walked into the Chicago Sun Times show asking me what I had. I told him I remember him from back in the day and I would rather burn them than sell to him. His partners laughed.
Bought a card from him and wasn’t happy with it. Sent it back for a refund as per his policy. He called my home and yelled at my wife about it. I was at work. She said to call back and talk to me. He didn’t. What a cowardly ass he is.
That’s awful
Mr Mint more like Mr Con
You could have/should have linked the direct video to where Rosen discussed this find.
I wasn’t aware of that video until someone linked it in comments. I linked directly to an article that summarized it.
Nice story.👍🏟️⛲
Thank you! 🙂