34:00 -- This is the most interesting minute, by my estimation. "Art is for asking questions, science is for answering them, religion is for avoiding them, and magic is the glue that holds it together." -- I'm not disagreeing with this at all, but I do wonder if perhaps magic is the social butterfly which everyone thinks is someone else's friend. That is to say, Magic seems more like religion to a scientist; to the religious, it's practically taboo to use magic means other than the miracles one's deity provides. So Magic has the most in common with Art, although there are plenty of artists who don't describe what they do in magical terms. Great interview and video, thank you so much and thank you, Alan, for making my life better, too.
And then there are those who accept the magic(k)al nature of reality and use it to create their own, like Alan Moore... But you don't need to be an artist to be a magickian.
He links magic to science because of alchemy. Not the ficcional magic, but the magic of changing physical things, mixing things to get an another new thing. Magic of making science, making medicine, making robots, technology, etc. He explains it on the Arte French channel!
We are prisoners of our misconceptions of who we think we are in the face of what we expect ourselves to be, what we wish we were and what we cannot admit to ourselves.
I wish I had an Alan Moore in my life to talk to! Like if he was my uncle or even grandfather! I don't have anyone like this in my life who one can discuss esoteric/random/interesting things and who also has such amazing life experience which has been lived in such an examined way. Despite his 'magical' persuasions, and quote un quote 'odd' appearance, Alan seem's like the most grounded and (to use a pop psychological term, as I can't think of one better for the minute) 'self actualized' man I have ever heard. I suppose the answer, really, is to be your own Alan Moore...or just be as fully and completely your own person as you can...but its very hard...when even creativity in my case becomes so onerous as to undo any healing power it might bring...I wish I had an older person in my life who could talk outside these boxes with me...oh well...just try and crack on I suppose and I suppose there is lots of Alan Moore interviews here on youtube so I will have to make do with those! Thank you for the upload though :)
BelatedCommiseration I totally agree, i've had 1 or 2 interesting close friends in my life, deep, interesting etc, but one'died, the other dissapeared, its a rare thing to find someone like Mr Moore, you could meet dudes like this in pubs and what not once, but they seem to be on the decline....lesser spotted Alamos Moruss or whatever lol
Yup,they have dumbed us down and actually,if you think about it,the pub culture that engendered that has disappeared to be replaced by gastropubs.You can take the wife and kids,no one is smoking (good) and you can enjoy a meal.But there won't be any sweary bastards challenging you,in a fun way,to defend yourself,politically or otherwise.
its always so heartwarming to hear somebody pronounce such clear thoughts and ideas that you had but didnt found a place to announce or time to develop!
Thanks for posting this, great talk. I was writing to slap your wrist for leaving your phone on. But then it made that call possible... and it’s downright insane that we get to watch these two figures, Moore and Heathcote-Williams, talk to each other and profess their mutual respect for the first time, probably the last, as the date of this talk isn’t far from the latter’s passing. What an amazing, surprising gift you gave us, I am sincerely moved. Again, thank you.
I'm hoping to meet him and shake his hand when I come through England next year. I'm going to do an art tour of Northampton's historic churches and landscapes, because whatever it is that is so magic about Northampton that has kept him there is worth a drawn and painted study. I love this interview. So down to earth, and the interviewer isn't guiding really at all. Great content.
Hello Cat, I was born there and stayed there for 39 years, the only reason I stayed so long was the Indian food! Best wishes from a musical armourer in a French forest, and of course all the mice! ⚒️🇬🇧 🐁🐁🐁🐁
I wish I could pick Mr. Moore's brain about the current state of literature, and in my opinion the decline of individuality, or the value thereof to the masses. It makes me worried for the future of Art.
I'm not sure I would call it "shit" but I think it was highly overrated. It was a star carried Hollywood money draw, made to make money, and that is NOT what art is about. If you make Art to become rich, or make large amounts of profit, you are doing it for the absolute wrong reason my friend.
Yes I read it last year. Imagine having that level of understanding of the English Language and Literature? An awesome imagination. A wonderful knowledge of his surroundings. Probably the first time "Woolworths" has been mentioned in a novel I imagine. 😀
@@Olliebear38 I think it took him ten years to write. His writing career has clearly enabled him to master character voice. And yes, hahaha definitely the first time a novel has opened with the remembrance of Woolworth's!
Well, you can't have it both ways. We left the phone on so Alan and Heathcote could finally talk to each other and express their admiration for each other's work. Either we left it on so that could happen, or we didn't, and I think we made the right decision. This is not slick corporate product, this is an informal chat between two very clever people with a lot to say to each other. When I had to pack up and leave, they talked for another two hours. Don't worry about the phone, Alan's look of disdain when it goes off is priceless. Relax be happy, life is too short to get uptight about things that really don't matter! Thank you for your feedback. I'm glad you enjoyed it, you're welcome.
This is only one-third of the original interview. You can read the rest here: internationaltimes.it/ode-to-the-eternalist-a-litera-matic-encounter-with-alan-moore/
It was The Strange World of Gurney Slade, a short-lived pet project for Anthony Newley, written by Dick Hills and Sid Green - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_World_of_Gurney_Slade Pilot episode here ua-cam.com/video/urVuUNLe46w/v-deo.html
dude is having a conversation with Alan fucking Moore and doesnt have his phone on silent lol
5 років тому+1
So . . . . Who'd win in a fistfight, Alan Moore, or Grant Morrison? I know Alan looks laid back and placid here but he's a big lad, with a long reach, and hands like shovels. He's got a scarier thousand yard stare too. Morrison is younger and Scottish, but I don't think he's much of a scrapper for a porridge wog, but I may be wrong. What I do know, is that I wouldn't like to get in between them when it all kicks off.
I think Grant's a softie really, a nice man, raised by very progressive anti-war, evironmentalist parents. He would cast a protective ward, but that would'nt save him. Moore's got more experience and he's still a beast. He's bigger, hairier, more brooding, and would intimidate the hell out of Grant
If everybody had the same amount of money, the government wouldn't be able to keep the roads maintained, do it's paperwork, provide healthcare -- nothing. No central body would have enough resources or manpower to run everything, so everyone would have to be a city-state unto themselves. Everybody would have to embody the entire culture at once instead of leaving it up to other people who are specialized in each role. It's like action potentials in a cell or electricity in a circuit: what makes the thing work is not energy but the _flow_ of energy. People misunderstand money and think that it's an abstraction of commodities and services, as though these were discreet things, and not links in a wider holistic process. Money is completely worthless until it is spent. So true equality of resources is complete stagnation because there's no gradient; no pathway for transfer and diffusion.
A nice conversation indeed. Sad that he doesn't even want to be friends with the artists of those works he disowned. The bad energies from them must be too much. Best to move on, anyways. Guy should have turned off his phone after the call happened. Such a shame to not even have it on vibrate the whole time. But the interview was good regardless.
🗣 *That’s the pot calling the kettle black with your ‘amateurs’ comment,you need glasses or to clean your screen because that is no mass produced cigarette!* *Mug!*
Descartes buggered up western thought for a long while with his "I think, therefor I am" red herring, quoted endlessly without understanding by so called thinkers. The "I am" came first because you were long before you could think. "I am" therefore I can think, and breathe, and walk, and argue and enjoy. "Am - ness" appears when life enters the body, leaves when life leaves. Thought does not go near consciousness which is forever escaping it. The closest it may come is "attention" pure and without qualities. If it had qualities it would colour perception which is essentially itself. If directed inward it perceives thought, if directed outward it perceives the senses. Will may direct attention but not control it. Once the fire is lit it can not be extinguished. Death does not extinguish the fire, it just separates it from the empty husk that is left.
5 років тому
But because the thought takes whatever fraction of of a second to process, it should be "I thought, therefore I was"
5 років тому
Or Schrodinger's thought, "I think, therefore I am both 'I am' and 'I am not' at any given time".
yeah I think Alan Moore is a pothead I'm pretty sure I've read something where he mentions it. But in this video I think he may just be smoking a handrolled ciggarette or maybe it is a spliff lol
I'm in love with Alan Moore's brain. Could listen to him for hours, and hours. I'd love to sit and have a smoke with this guy.
Alan is the definition of Good Natured. Personally, I would have told dude to turn off the phone, maybe not politely.
I agree silence the phone hahaha
Could listen to him all day long ... the rings , the hashish joint , the intelligence, the Magick!!
Read the entire interview here: internationaltimes.it/ode-to-the-eternalist-a-litera-matic-encounter-with-alan-moore/
34:00 -- This is the most interesting minute, by my estimation. "Art is for asking questions, science is for answering them, religion is for avoiding them, and magic is the glue that holds it together." -- I'm not disagreeing with this at all, but I do wonder if perhaps magic is the social butterfly which everyone thinks is someone else's friend. That is to say, Magic seems more like religion to a scientist; to the religious, it's practically taboo to use magic means other than the miracles one's deity provides. So Magic has the most in common with Art, although there are plenty of artists who don't describe what they do in magical terms.
Great interview and video, thank you so much and thank you, Alan, for making my life better, too.
jamespfp Excellent comment, thank you.
+1 Subscriber too. :P
All true art is magick.
And then there are those who accept the magic(k)al nature of reality and use it to create their own, like Alan Moore... But you don't need to be an artist to be a magickian.
He links magic to science because of alchemy. Not the ficcional magic, but the magic of changing physical things, mixing things to get an another new thing. Magic of making science, making medicine, making robots, technology, etc. He explains it on the Arte French channel!
We are prisoners of our misconceptions of who we think we are in the face of what we expect ourselves to be, what we wish we were and what we cannot admit to ourselves.
rightly said
Wow! Alan Moore and Heathcote Williams....pretty awesome.
I wish I had an Alan Moore in my life to talk to! Like if he was my uncle or even grandfather! I don't have anyone like this in my life who one can discuss esoteric/random/interesting things and who also has such amazing life experience which has been lived in such an examined way. Despite his 'magical' persuasions, and quote un quote 'odd' appearance, Alan seem's like the most grounded and (to use a pop psychological term, as I can't think of one better for the minute) 'self actualized' man I have ever heard. I suppose the answer, really, is to be your own Alan Moore...or just be as fully and completely your own person as you can...but its very hard...when even creativity in my case becomes so onerous as to undo any healing power it might bring...I wish I had an older person in my life who could talk outside these boxes with me...oh well...just try and crack on I suppose and I suppose there is lots of Alan Moore interviews here on youtube so I will have to make do with those! Thank you for the upload though :)
“¿Who is Nʌmber 1?”
BelatedCommiseration I totally agree, i've had 1 or 2 interesting close friends in my life, deep, interesting etc, but one'died, the other dissapeared, its a rare thing to find someone like Mr Moore, you could meet dudes like this in pubs and what not once, but they seem to be on the decline....lesser spotted Alamos Moruss or whatever lol
Yup,they have dumbed us down and actually,if you think about it,the pub culture that engendered that has disappeared to be replaced by gastropubs.You can take the wife and kids,no one is smoking (good) and you can enjoy a meal.But there won't be any sweary bastards challenging you,in a fun way,to defend yourself,politically or otherwise.
Join foolishfish.
100 percent me too. Hope you’ve found one in this last five years.
Alan's mind is amazing , very inspiring.
Great content. What a relief to see someone saying things worth hearing rather than boring on about themselves.
its always so heartwarming to hear somebody pronounce such clear thoughts and ideas that you had but didnt found a place to announce or time to develop!
That reminded me of a meeting at work; interesting guy tries to answer questions while not-so-interesting guy's mobile phone goes off constantly.
lolllllll
I assume everyone else also liked this as the most upvoted 'turn off your phone' sentiment, not for the references to work/meetings.
Who the fuck sits down with Alan Moore and leaves their damn phone on?
Thanks for posting this, great talk. I was writing to slap your wrist for leaving your phone on. But then it made that call possible... and it’s downright insane that we get to watch these two figures, Moore and Heathcote-Williams, talk to each other and profess their mutual respect for the first time, probably the last, as the date of this talk isn’t far from the latter’s passing. What an amazing, surprising gift you gave us, I am sincerely moved. Again, thank you.
I'm hoping to meet him and shake his hand when I come through England next year. I'm going to do an art tour of Northampton's historic churches and landscapes, because whatever it is that is so magic about Northampton that has kept him there is worth a drawn and painted study. I love this interview. So down to earth, and the interviewer isn't guiding really at all. Great content.
thanks Cat
I'm sure he just hangs around outside waiting for tourists to shake his hand
Hello Cat, I was born there and stayed there for 39 years, the only reason I stayed so long was the Indian food!
Best wishes from a musical armourer in a French forest, and of course all the mice! ⚒️🇬🇧 🐁🐁🐁🐁
I wish I could pick Mr. Moore's brain about the current state of literature, and in my opinion the decline of individuality, or the value thereof to the masses. It makes me worried for the future of Art.
I'm not sure I would call it "shit" but I think it was highly overrated. It was a star carried Hollywood money draw, made to make money, and that is NOT what art is about. If you make Art to become rich, or make large amounts of profit, you are doing it for the absolute wrong reason my friend.
So what's wrong with in certain, as long as it's under both just & fair ways & circumstances, get rich off your work?
Ahhhhh. I am from Northamptonshire so he talks quite a lot like my grandparents did. Has anyone else read Jerusalem? It's mind-bendingly amazing.
Yes I read it last year.
Imagine having that level of understanding of the English Language and Literature?
An awesome imagination.
A wonderful knowledge of his surroundings. Probably the first time "Woolworths" has been mentioned in a novel I imagine. 😀
@@Olliebear38 I think it took him ten years to write. His writing career has clearly enabled him to master character voice. And yes, hahaha definitely the first time a novel has opened with the remembrance of Woolworth's!
Play this with the captions on, hysterical.
Good call.
I feel like there are people with the potential to be awakened. The job is to enlighten and appreciate not try to sulk in the problem itself.
Thank you Keith, this interview is excellent! If you have more Moore, I hope you'll share it!
There's Moore here...internationaltimes.it/ode-to-the-eternalist-a-litera-matic-encounter-with-alan-moore/
Miss IT ,OZ, Friends, home grown, what have we got today, lad's mags; Jesus there's no hope !
Brilliant video. I could listen to you both talk for much, much longer!
Rob White There's more of the conversation as written text at www.internationaltimes.it. Enter Alan Moore into the search bar.
Many, many thanks Keith! You're a legend!
Rob White you're very welcome. You might also enjoy our conversation with Steve Hackett. More to come in due course.
going to watch it right away!
it's nice to know that Alan Moore also liked The Prisoner. I had no doubt he enjoyed it but now it's confirmed.
Well, you can't have it both ways. We left the phone on so Alan and Heathcote could finally talk to each other and express their admiration for each other's work. Either we left it on so that could happen, or we didn't, and I think we made the right decision. This is not slick corporate product, this is an informal chat between two very clever people with a lot to say to each other. When I had to pack up and leave, they talked for another two hours. Don't worry about the phone, Alan's look of disdain when it goes off is priceless. Relax be happy, life is too short to get uptight about things that really don't matter! Thank you for your feedback. I'm glad you enjoyed it, you're welcome.
Keith Rodway of course leave it on, a genuine moment between two genius artists !
You've got a mute button on that phone though
Could have put the phone on vibrate, moron
Oh my god look at the size of his joint! 27:20
Jazz cigarette.
That's regular cigs, but I liked the conan refrence
@@yanikkunitsin1466 I'm pretty sure he just heard it somewhere else. :) The bag mans cigarette is a little misshapen for a regular cig.
@@JK-zx3go that's Britain, the roll them, like of Rizla fame
@@yanikkunitsin1466 that's where I'm from dude we don't role "tabs" that long :)
@@JK-zx3go well, i do
the words can hurt as hell....
Smoking Hash Yo!!! Sooo much smoke!!!
Thanks for this, great discussion.
This is only one-third of the original interview. You can read the rest here: internationaltimes.it/ode-to-the-eternalist-a-litera-matic-encounter-with-alan-moore/
To the magician, science is a form of highly structured ceremonial magic.
simple yet so profound....hmmm must be the truth... who can C it
"...If you get put on a pedestal, vacate to Mars."
Alan remarked that culture is supervised. This made me a bit sad, but mostly passed off.
when Moore comes with some new work its gonna break the net
Ew...
why ew lol? swamp thing, gentlemen, dark knight etc. thats a great body of work. I'm sure he has future stuff lined.
he retired
He’s been signed on by bloomsbury for a London fantasy series
interesting..especially about Ian curtis and such..
How is your phone on during a film shoot? Fucking hell. I would have edited that out. lol.
Battery Exhausted a
What is the programme they are talking about at the start with the trailer with the word "cunt" in it?
Stuart Dawson I can't recall offhand, I'll ask and get back to you.
It was The Strange World of Gurney Slade, a short-lived pet project for Anthony Newley, written by Dick Hills and Sid Green - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_World_of_Gurney_Slade Pilot episode here ua-cam.com/video/urVuUNLe46w/v-deo.html
Nice one thanks :)
What tv program are they talking about before they start talking about the prisoner i wonder?
Gurney Slade with Anthony Newley. It was way ahead of its time and didn't last long, sadly ua-cam.com/video/urVuUNLe46w/v-deo.html
¿What do dhe aklo chǣracters under dhe Planet Ape αn his t-šhœrt spεll?
That phone is number 2
Who is number one?
dude is having a conversation with Alan fucking Moore and doesnt have his phone on silent lol
So . . . . Who'd win in a fistfight, Alan Moore, or Grant Morrison? I know Alan looks laid back and placid here but he's a big lad, with a long reach, and hands like shovels. He's got a scarier thousand yard stare too.
Morrison is younger and Scottish, but I don't think he's much of a scrapper for a porridge wog, but I may be wrong. What I do know, is that I wouldn't like to get in between them when it all kicks off.
I think Grant's a softie really, a nice man, raised by very progressive anti-war, evironmentalist parents. He would cast a protective ward, but that would'nt save him.
Moore's got more experience and he's still a beast. He's bigger, hairier, more brooding, and would intimidate the hell out of Grant
If everybody had the same amount of money, the government wouldn't be able to keep the roads maintained, do it's paperwork, provide healthcare -- nothing. No central body would have enough resources or manpower to run everything, so everyone would have to be a city-state unto themselves. Everybody would have to embody the entire culture at once instead of leaving it up to other people who are specialized in each role.
It's like action potentials in a cell or electricity in a circuit: what makes the thing work is not energy but the _flow_ of energy. People misunderstand money and think that it's an abstraction of commodities and services, as though these were discreet things, and not links in a wider holistic process. Money is completely worthless until it is spent.
So true equality of resources is complete stagnation because there's no gradient; no pathway for transfer and diffusion.
The money would just flow around, wouldn't it? In a circuit.
A nice conversation indeed. Sad that he doesn't even want to be friends with the artists of those works he disowned. The bad energies from them must be too much. Best to move on, anyways.
Guy should have turned off his phone after the call happened. Such a shame to not even have it on vibrate the whole time. But the interview was good regardless.
11:00 Heathcote? heathcote who
18:20? which steve?
i'm sorry i'm interested by i couldn't catch the accurate form of the name :
Heathcote Williams - British writer and actor, a friend of ours
@@KeithRodway which Steve ?
@@mickeygoodman1 Steve Moore - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Moore_(comics)
Switch your phone off ffs!!!
Is he smoking a big ass joint?
producciones. f You'd have to ask him
THE PROBLEM THE HIPPIES HAD WAS THAT THEY HAD TO GET A JOB THEY COULD NOT STAY FREE
WHO WROTE THE MANIFESTO WE NEED NOW /?
4:10
Oh, no.
what is that he's smoking?
a rollie
Pot, lots of pot.
PicaroPariah a Jamaican woodbine
a magic spliff
nature's finest
damn this hobo is kinda smart
Yes he is!
It's incredible the number of people that confuse a mass produced cigarette with a joint. Amateurs
🗣 *That’s the pot calling the kettle black with your ‘amateurs’ comment,you need glasses or to clean your screen because that is no mass produced cigarette!*
*Mug!*
Descartes buggered up western thought for a long while with his "I think, therefor I am" red herring, quoted endlessly without understanding by so called thinkers. The "I am" came first because you were long before you could think. "I am" therefore I can think, and breathe, and walk, and argue and enjoy. "Am - ness" appears when life enters the body, leaves when life leaves. Thought does not go near consciousness which is forever escaping it. The closest it may come is "attention" pure and without qualities. If it had qualities it would colour perception which is essentially itself. If directed inward it perceives thought, if directed outward it perceives the senses. Will may direct attention but not control it. Once the fire is lit it can not be extinguished. Death does not extinguish the fire, it just separates it from the empty husk that is left.
But because the thought takes whatever fraction of of a second to process, it should be "I thought, therefore I was"
Or Schrodinger's thought, "I think, therefore I am both 'I am' and 'I am not' at any given time".
Exactly, you weren't aware of yourself as a baby or even as a toddler, but you were. Does anyone remember their first thought? No.
@28:11 What in the hell is that thing? lol wtf
Desolation Rome a camberwell carrot
is he smoking ordinary cigarettes?
Doesn't look like it to me!
Hey yo! Alan Moore are smoking pot?
producciones. f You'd have to ask him
yeah I think Alan Moore is a pothead I'm pretty sure I've read something where he mentions it. But in this video I think he may just be smoking a handrolled ciggarette or maybe it is a spliff lol
@@0oidiedinatimemachineo024 🗣 *That smoke is far to thick for a roll up…hashish!*
....it's like a repeat ORSON meeting ORWELL?