Dr. Manhattan’s father was a watchmaker. Jon learned how to take things apart and put them back together again. When he does this to his atomically disassembled body and becomes Dr. Manhattan, he has turned a human being into a sum of parts. He now views human life as a mere assemblage of components. Like he learned to perceive a watch. That’s where we get the title of the book. It’s not just a play on “Who watches the watchmen?” It’s also because, to Dr. Manhattan, all people are like watches. They’re watchmen. And, in a sense, so too is that the perspective of Ozymandias with his plan. New York’s population is a small part of a larger calculation. Dr. Manhattan and Ozymandias are Watchmen (watchmakers), and they view all humans as simple watchmen (component parts strung together). The tragedy being, the moment Dr. Manhattan learns the holistic value of human life from Laurie on Mars, Ozymandias has committed an irreversible act based upon the opposite notion. It’s perhaps one of the starkest contrasts of the book-in the end, the god takes the perspective of a human, and a human takes the perspective of the god. The god is ultimately powerless and the human ultimately cataclysmic. Yet, in the end, it will have made little impact regardless. But what little impact it will make, Dr. Manhattan now values enough to kill Rorschach to preserve. Quite grim.
Meh, good point. I think even better, is that once looked at simply Dr. Manhattan is the absolute embodiment of determinism. No other further explanation may be as simple. His choice at the end reflects the ultimate tragedy of such a philosophy/concept. This is evident throughout his actions and decision and prior view of human life. so much so that when he eventually gets a glimpse of the concept of free will from his epiphany due to his discussion with Laurie on Mars, this does little to overcome his innate existence based on determinism.
He also rejected the idea of celebrity because he wasn't comfortable with its dark side. Its one of the reasons why he said he 'became a magician'. They wanted him to be another player on the talk show circuit etc and he made himself incompatible with the narrative. Thats his 'magic', he uses his words to create reactions from readers to create the world he is more comfortable with. When he says 'magic' it creates the result he wants from those who are wired with preconcieved opinions about it. theres more about it here ua-cam.com/video/MFHn-HzacxY/v-deo.html
That because World is a term to suggest what a singular person lives in. Earth is the word to describe the planet we live in. World is subjective, Earth is Scientific
@@shrekstaint8709 I won't come in saying that you can't trust your senses on the veracity of the existence of Earth or anything other than yourself...however....that "scientific" fact holds no value to humanity. It's just what we make out of it what matters. If we didn't shape it, it would be as good as nothing for us.
@@spiderjerusalem4009 no i got it. Nite Owl legit thought Ozymandias was joking and asked if he was serious after he reported to him his plan already happened a minute after they where seen on his base.
Stephen King once explained that writing is both magic and time travel. Writing is able to take out thoughts from one time and place to another. We can see Anne Frank and Shakespeare’s thoughts and stories, despite their deaths, and the distance of time and place.
Disagree. Everyone perceives reality differently. Its the similarities shared in the multiple perceptions which most begrudgingly compromise to as reality.
@@MonologueManiaWithER We can perceive a hot stove to be cold, yet we will still burn ourselves when we touch it. Philosophical nonsense doesn't change how the world works.
its really good definitely check it out..its interesting writing basically explaining hermeticism and moores philosophy in comic format also the art and layout of each issue is fucking INCREDIBLE.
As a student of Hermeticism this made me so happy. People are so blind to the "immaterial" aspects of life and because of this blindness they walk like those who are asleep, as though they are the body and nothing more. To be awake is to be aware of not just your body and your surroundings but of your MIND and your SPIRIT. To ignore both is a fallacy, you are not your thoughts, but instead are a receiver of thoughts from points throughout your body. You are judge over these thoughts and it is your job to tend to them. However, most people are unaware that they should be judge over their thoughts, and instead they perceive that their thoughts are their own. This then essentially makes all of man kind like sleep walkers that are being driven by these unseen forces thinking that they are in control all along. So be Woke and judge your thoughts as if they are suggestions from your neighbor instead of a creation of your own.
"For the magician expectation creates perspective" Same applies to those who research quantum mechanics. So in this light the Clarke's quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" matches perfectly here.
Ritual magicians have all been EXTREMELY into quantum mechanics ever since the field was first proposed. You see writings by Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons about how exciting it was that science looked like it might give proof to the fundamental points of their philosophy. And the variety of magick that Grant Morrison practices, chaos magick, was mostly developed by physicians and mathematicians working in the field of quantum mechanics.
As I watched this video a third time an epiphany came to me, I think Moore's prediction of "the world's end" was right, and he had at only missed the mark a year or two, not earlier, but LATER. the age of popular internet and the explosion of social media did indeed overwhelmed us as a species with excessive knowledge, exceeding what we can reasonably consume when we were first biologically conjured as cavemen, and the "realization" of the immaterial and the material being just as real did indeed dawned upon us, whether we like it or not, just as Moore predicted. Yet unfortunately, it did not occur in the way Moore, or any idealist thinker hoped, instead of waking everyone up to the possibilities of creating better things on the world through imagination, the same realization of the immaterial instead drove people into the realms of natural tribalism and fear. The extreme left started to see the entire world as a battlefield, everything can be perceived as oppression, and everyone an oppressor, closing off all possibilities communication to the other side, "helping" the oppressed without even listening to their true wishes or the effects of their own actions; mean while the extreme right started to see themselves as a tribe under siege, with everything new and unfamiliar opposing them and has to be crushed to preserve their identity, and started to see all educated elites swindlers peddling corporate interests, and fall back on their own visceral emotion as the judgement criteria for all things; meanwhile in the background, common reality started to decay and liquefy in alarming pace, as everyone retrieve to their own information bubble of social media and echo chamber new sources for "the truth" This is not merely happening in America, this is what is happening behind the global revolt against globalization and the new wave of anti-intellectualism. This is the nightmare version of everything Moore envisioned, the dark side of the coin of the immaterial, of imagination as perceived reality, I think Moore didn't predict this happening, he imagined people would be able to balance the material, and the immaterial, and thus becoming creative juggernauts while maintaining a firm grasp of objective reality, but it turns out, the minds of our human brethren are still too young, still too prone to the mechanisms of human nature: tribalism, conflict seeking, and fear. I only hope this is temporary, and the grasp of object reality will return to us all to balance the override of the immaterial.
This is an underrated comment. My hope is that this Global Waking Nightmare is the catalyst for a metaphorical Great Awakening, a species-wide version of jolting upright in bed after a particularly horrific dream.
I think it was more like “the end of the world... as we know it” and Moore was absolutely right. I see so many people slowly waking up to this though not many on the internet. Discussions about consciousness, reality, perception, awakening and enlightenment are commonplace; science and language is developing to describe consciousness in the individual which is in turn developing our understanding of it. When we apply “as above, so below” to consciousness we can conceptualise how we are a component of a grand collective consciousness and simultaneously an individual
This is a great comment man. Like Moore said, the world is both material and immaterial, and in this case, he was talking about the immaterial world. Or in other words, the way we perceive imagination will also change.
I think he was right, at least to a lot of people. I've never read most of his comics, but I did read the source material as a teenager, Occult books. For a long time I thought it was all bullshit, but a little while after Trump was elected, my brain basically exploded for lack of a better analogy, overload by just vastly opposing concepts that where both equally true, and the world was destroyed, literally my entire concept of reality was gone in an instant. When this happened I realized that what I read as a teenager was not all bullshit but actually very accurate and insightful when interpreted correctly. This whole thing was a pretty big shock to me having spent most of my adult life a very rational science minded person. So to figure out what was happening I started looking around for other people who had this experience, and it turns out there are quite a lot of them. There seems to be something to what he's saying about this global awakening. I do think it will be more of a gradual change for most though, but I do think it has already happened, I think the people experiencing this ego death sort of experience has reached critical mass and the world will change quite a bit because of it. As always in our world though it will be a slow change and not without opposition or struggle, not an instant change. It's not so easy to tell anymore, but we're in a war right now, a spiritual war in many ways. Not only will it lay waste to all the dogmatic religions of old, but challenge the dogma of science as well. Once upon a time long ago, spirituality and science separated as science just went full speed ahead leaving spirituality in the dust, but it seems spirituality is catching up, and soon they must merge again so we may fulfill our destiny. The Magician dude is totally right, our imagination creates reality, in more ways than we probably understand right now. Thinking positive is not a joke, your mind literally shapes reality, so be mindful of your thoughts young Padawan. And I should probably learn to take my own advice hehe. Anyway, loved the comment, bit bleak but good, thanks for writing.
“If the movie is the same as the comic, there’s no reason to watch the movie at all”. Just saying. Even though the movie isn’t like the comic, its still great.
I’m 100% down for further analysis of Alan Moore! Would you guys ever be interested in running a book club as I’d love to read a chapter(s) along with weekly analysis by yourself in video / audio format. Hearing you talk of Promethea and jarousailm seems like there’s potential!
This video is one of the best explanations of the Bard class in D&D -- that words and art and song and memes have real magical power that influence the world in a perceivable way, and one need merely learn to tap into the power of consciousness to wield it.
I forgot what it felt like to read watchmen years ago - like reading one of the greatest works of literature, which it is. thanks for reminding and telling more - the man is fascinating and his ideas are grandiose (i find). you've got one of the gratest channels on youtube, keep up the good work.
I would like to bring forth important evidence in this case you have presented: Promethea issue #5 When Sophie visits the prior incarnation of Promethea in the hospital. "....Ending the world. Yeah, yeah. Sophie, Faust was messing with your head. That's what magicians do. You've got bigger problems."
Books suck. Get the book. Then be a Thug Paladin. Nigga you can get your ass whooped with class. Detroit is doing it, I think. Paintball wars. That's how easy it WAS to solve gun violence, for, with, and by America, but people still think we want to emulate Australia. They think they're tough just cuz they got big spiders. Buy a gun, prick.
Yes!!! I'd love to write a philosophy of Grant Morrison! "Supergods" is my favorite autobiography I've ever read, simply because it's so insane. One chapter he talks about ascending to heaven and meeting alien angels, the next he's talking about how the original Spider-man movie performed, and the next he's talking about meeting Jesus.
Cracked Pince-Nez so much yes! Grant is the polar opposite of Moore when it comes to magick. They both come at the same thing from different sides. And both openly express magick in everything they do.
Ian Katz-Mager Man I miss there being a Disinfo Con. I remember I saw that video when I was 16 and just starting to introduce Crowley and Spare into my life. Abducted by aliens in Kathmandu Valley!!
Good stuff. I own Jerusalem but couldn't make it passed 20 pages or so. Didn't know what I was getting into at all. Gonna have to give it another go. Moore breakdowns like this and less Rick and Morty, please.
Jerusalem was designed that way. The first 50 pages are deliberately hard to get through (Moore called it "an anti idiocy device") which he later regretted. Once you get past that and get into it, Jerusalem is an amazing work.
This is my favorite work you've done so far. Excellent analysis, delving into the deeper ideas of the meta-narrative. Consistently balanced work. I came here to subscribe after watching many videos, and to comment on particular on the challenging material you've dealt with her with expertise befitting high academia. Looking forward to your work on The Sopranos.
This is the best choice of video you guys have ever made. Also, notice how this and the Full Metal Alchemist video are basically teaching one lesson. Different ways of seeing the world enrich it, and our understanding of it. And, ultimately, they all say the same thing, from different perspectives. Please Wisecrack, do more videos on these concepts. It's refreshing to see how Science, Religion, Philosophy, Mathematics, Hermetism, Art, etc. can all be used to study reality from different angles, and provide different levels of interpretation.
Man I’m so immune to advertising at this this point that I didn’t notice it until 17:44. This ad is barely noticeable how are you living in 2018 and still receptive to ads???
Did you pay to see the video? No, so how else are they going to make money? The moment you PERSONALLY pay, they wont put up ads. Just the way the system works mate. I don't know how you don't get that.
Ali Ince The problem isn’t that they are using ads within the video, which is perfectly fine. It’s the specific ad in this video, which is an online pharmacy service that is sketchy as all can be.
This is definitely what I am interested in seeing more of. I have read some of Moores writings on magic and I think it's basically true. It's very similar to memetics, ideas like racism or captalism are completely made up by humans, but they can be spread virally. Paradigm shifts occur when the amount of people who believe an idea to be true reaches a critical mass that allows for those ideas to be actualized in society, usually via laws and regulations, which are another sort of spell. Laws give justification for enforcement of those ideas upon other people and therefore reality, though more often than not many people are only superficially forced to follow a law while not believing in the ideas behind those laws. Laws are fought through civil disobedience, symbolic action that defies the so called truth behind laws, or the other side of the coin, being a criminal, which is just another way of saying the same thing. The only line between criminality and civil disobedience is generally whether the act is harmful to others or not, either intentionally, or through neglect or recklessness. But ultimately the line is defined by what people will allow, and what people believe to be true, or can be convinced to believe, specifically what people believe counts as harm to others. Fascist rule exists by creating a stranglehold on reality through laws and control of what people are told is true via media and education, in conjunction with laws and policies that are essentially criminal in of themselves, due to the amount that they bring harm to others. The battle over reality takes place in courtrooms, on TV, in movies, and in classrooms on a macro level, and on a micro level through everyday conversations about these ideas, whether face to face or online. Though a widely distributed idea in any form, whether blockbuster film, tweet, or comic book, can have a macro level effect.
Moore gave a talk to a bunch of scientists where he started off saying "I believe magic is real" and by the end had most of the audience (again, scientists) saying "well, when you put it that way, ok." (I'm paraphrasing, not quoting, obviously)
I love how you guys presented him as a "wizard" so I would think he's a loon, then proceed to convince me of his beliefs and wonder why more people don't agree. Wisecrack, slowly making us loons. Anyways, do Philosophy of True Detective
If you are interested in this guy then you should read his book 'Jerusalem'. It's an enormous semi-mythical saga of the town of Northampton, (England). It's my home town, and the book offers a really interesting look into Moore's nature, philosophy and sense of humour.
Moore's ideas about the connection between language and magic seem somewhat related to the concept of the "hypersigil" as popularized by Grant Morrison. Furthermore, Evangelion also touches the topic of human evolution as the joining together of all individual consciousnesses...
Yeah, that's because they both stem from chaos magick. Austin Osman Spare, Peter J. Carroll, Discordianism, and so forth. They also do work with the concept of a collective unconscious.
This has been a transforming I saw myself evolve over the course of the video It was surreal Thank you for putting such immense thought and effort You have changed one soul for sure
@@V4W i got introduced to him thhrough the video and have certainly been in awe ever since, there are very little access to comics in india but from whatever i found online of his work has made me a fan for sure
or do the man with the ''Blown Mind'' first, Sounds like He needs Attention. then do the Rest of the People on here, all Holding up their arms to score points from Sir with their abstract ideas and (semi Blown Minds)
I think is idea of language as magic is pretty similar to some of the ideas of Wittgenstein, that we are all playing 'language games' where by we do not simply communicate our perception of reality by imbue it with meaning and form by our means of communication. The whole world ending thing though is crazy.
It makes more sense if you think of it as the world (as we know it). The world will still be here, but everything that humans experience will be different.
Well, you can't deny that if we all suddenly stopped seeing things only one way, which is each individual's way, and perceived and interpreted in multiple, which is everybody else's way, while still including yours, the current state of the world would end, either for better or for worse.
Roling K Why do people like Monster so much ? Not that it was bad manga or anything , but since there are so many other Urasawa works out there you might think that someone would mention something else (Billy bat , Yawara , Pluto , Master Keaton etc) . Can someone explain why ??
Alan Moore releasing Jerusalem while knowing that the world would end before we'd have time to finish it is the most Alan Moore thing of all time... 🙂🩸🐍
This is the 1st video I've ever seen of yours and I have to say you're a freakin genius dude. You've made me look at what I'm reading now Providence a whole different way because he's doing the same thing with language youre talking about Thank you so much for outting this video out
Moore was right about something though. There has been a spark of something totally new we've discovered and it's gonna be a big thing one day. We just gotta use it to our advantage
once ppl have finally grown bored of all the conflict, theyll finally realize they just need to empower themselves and that will be the true driving force of the next revolution.
Excellent video! You explained the subject (Alan Moore's viewpoint of hermeticism) extraordinarily well in a brief period of time, plus you kept me entertained. Thank you. 🤔
I don't think the narrator/presenter has actually read "Jerusalem." Of the nearly 1,300 pages of the book, only one section is written in alternate phonetic prose. It was the most frustrating part to get through, but is was hardly the over-arching tone/style of "Jerusalem." The concept of Eternalism isn't discussed in this video, and that is one of the major themes of the novel.
Hey Wisecrack. You're my favorite UA-cam channel. I always learn while eating dinner and watching you. Can you please do a video on House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewesky?
I didn't realize that Wisecrack's audience was mostly men until I saw the sponsor! Cool product. Edit: I'd also love to see the relationship between Laurie and Sally Jupiter explored. It was the highlight of Before Watchmen for me.
Fun fact Hims hair loss meds have ED as a side effect, which they use the opportunity to sell you the penis pills. Also I wouldn't reccomend taking any meds you get online from doctors who are paid to try and sell you the product.
Kristen Marie Pimley or their audience is solely young women struggling with social cues gifting their dads a getting old, growing bald kit for his seventieth.
Small foot note for you. Hermis Trimegatus is a combination of Hermis, Thoth, and a Mortal Man also name Hermis. Hermis Duemegatus is the combination without the mortal Hermis.
kai magnus Thanks for being all class friend, i.e not telling me to f**k off for spellchecking your comment. The comments section can be a real minefield sometimes... What little I remember about Hermes Trismegistus, I Iearned of in "Promethea" mostly. What about you? Did he pop up elsewhere in Moore's work?
no name saving you money everyday Believe it or not, he played a major antagonist role in the game my profile pic is from. The historical basis is usually pretty close even with the liberties it takes. That was pretty much a starting point to a lot of research on him.
Had to watch this one twice and i'm just now starting to get what Moore was trying to say about the fundamentals of reality. We are only as real as we imagine ourselves to be
Moore was indeed wrong of the end of the world as everyone has different perspectives and knowledge. If everyone got the message they would then branch out into the infinite outcomes of events from the given information. Like Soma the horror game there is no concrete answer of concession if we’re given the answers and memories of Moore’s philosophy we would go off to different patterns of conclusion to fulfill the infinite outcomes. Food for thought, wisecrack should talk about Soma as it would go great with recent videos.
A second comment I'd like to make as a result of my own previous statement. The funny thing is, Alan Moore's mind expanding nature of his stories is present in, among other things, the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. My mind literally expanded immensely when I read Volume II of the series, and realizing the sheer brilliance of the series lead to a love of writing and storytelling I've maintained ever since.
your content its one of the best balanced between being deep and entertaining, i can't stop watching, and I'm a picky bastard, I dont even comment videos ever
If the idea of "as above, so below" is true, then what becomes the point of seeking to ascend (or descend, for that matter)? After all, no matter what level you get to, it's essentially all the same. 😕
I think maybe its about being closer to the source/truth/oneness so you can help other people ascend to those levels of higher vibration ie non material focused existence...maybe not ;)
Vilesentry The good old "Et tu quoque?" defence. One day I might become a better writer than him, you never know. I am already a published writer, and if I can see certain faults within Moore's writing then I can avoid those exact same faults within my own fiction. I am confident of my own abilities, and have read widely enough to gauge how good Moore's literary skills are. On the other hand, he is a much better illustrator/visual artist than I will ever be, so I can't beat him in that sense. But that too is relative, since his artistic skills are inferior to William Blake, Alasdair Gray and other much greater writers who have illustrated their own works. Moore isn't actually that great a writer. Good, but not great. I probably could outdo him on the writing side with a bit of effort and editing. Certainly in terms of plot & character development which are a bit two dimensional in his case. As for Blake & Gray, I would be lucky to ever beat them on either score.
Is it possible to do a follow up on Grant Morrison and his practice of Chaos and Sigil Magic? He also has written comics as works of magic(or magick, if you use his spelling), though I'm unsure of exactly how his and Moore's philosophy on Magic as Art overlap or contradict.
Just added it to my list of books to buy. Unfortunately I haven't read much by him, mainly Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth. A work friend loaned it to me and I loved it, especially the abundance of Occult iconography. All Star Superman was great as well. I pretty much hated Superman until I read that story. Thanks for the recommendation!
Dr. Manhattan’s father was a watchmaker. Jon learned how to take things apart and put them back together again. When he does this to his atomically disassembled body and becomes Dr. Manhattan, he has turned a human being into a sum of parts. He now views human life as a mere assemblage of components. Like he learned to perceive a watch.
That’s where we get the title of the book. It’s not just a play on “Who watches the watchmen?” It’s also because, to Dr. Manhattan, all people are like watches. They’re watchmen. And, in a sense, so too is that the perspective of Ozymandias with his plan. New York’s population is a small part of a larger calculation. Dr. Manhattan and Ozymandias are Watchmen (watchmakers), and they view all humans as simple watchmen (component parts strung together). The tragedy being, the moment Dr. Manhattan learns the holistic value of human life from Laurie on Mars, Ozymandias has committed an irreversible act based upon the opposite notion. It’s perhaps one of the starkest contrasts of the book-in the end, the god takes the perspective of a human, and a human takes the perspective of the god. The god is ultimately powerless and the human ultimately cataclysmic. Yet, in the end, it will have made little impact regardless. But what little impact it will make, Dr. Manhattan now values enough to kill Rorschach to preserve. Quite grim.
UltimateKyuubiFox I feel like I should have seen this before.
Is it weird that I find the next to last sentence kind of uplifting? Like this is the only thing Dr Manhattan could care about no matter how brief?
Meh, good point. I think even better, is that once looked at simply Dr. Manhattan is the absolute embodiment of determinism. No other further explanation may be as simple. His choice at the end reflects the ultimate tragedy of such a philosophy/concept. This is evident throughout his actions and decision and prior view of human life. so much so that when he eventually gets a glimpse of the concept of free will from his epiphany due to his discussion with Laurie on Mars, this does little to overcome his innate existence based on determinism.
Recursion, being/s and comparison.
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Alan Moore lives in my home town, and while I loved his work, I never found out till I notice him on the street.
B_A_Z_E_D V.2.0 oh i began to be jealous.....how he looks like？is he unemotional？
B_A_Z_E_D V.2.0 no one cares
@@catsfirst ok.
110 people care. What is wrong w people. That is pretty cool! You should get to know him somehow.
Met him, shook hands etc, he is a good bloke. Lives about 10 min walk from me.
After seeing this, I understand now why Alan Moore hates adaptations of his work.
Likewise
he has been pissed of everything since the moment he started to realise hollywood.
Nope not every adaptation, except for the JLU episode "for the man who has everything"
He also rejected the idea of celebrity because he wasn't comfortable with its dark side.
Its one of the reasons why he said he 'became a magician'.
They wanted him to be another player on the talk show circuit etc and he made himself incompatible with the narrative.
Thats his 'magic', he uses his words to create reactions from readers to create the world he is more comfortable with.
When he says 'magic' it creates the result he wants from those who are wired with preconcieved opinions about it.
theres more about it here ua-cam.com/video/MFHn-HzacxY/v-deo.html
@@spiderjerusalem4009 What do u mean?
"when everyones way of viewing the world one way ends, the world ends" that's mind blowing
Technically, Moore wasn't wrong about the world ending as we knew it. He was just 3 years early.
That because World is a term to suggest what a singular person lives in. Earth is the word to describe the planet we live in. World is subjective, Earth is Scientific
@@thesymphonyoflife3950 id say that 2017 was the beginning of the end of the way we once viewed the world
@@cg1906 why
@@shrekstaint8709 I won't come in saying that you can't trust your senses on the veracity of the existence of Earth or anything other than yourself...however....that "scientific" fact holds no value to humanity. It's just what we make out of it what matters.
If we didn't shape it, it would be as good as nothing for us.
He already nailed the fantasy villain look.
Dr . Wub imagine his pubic hair.....
to tohers he may look like jesus.. perception, dude!
Joe Siemoneit John the Baptist...? lol 😁
probably.. but jesus was the only religious freak i know ;)
You should look up Aron Ra videos. He's awesome and also some sort of god-demon
You want me to watch this video.
I did it thirty-five minutes ago.
Hehe
Okay dude cut it out
Are you serious?
@@spiderjerusalem4009 no i got it. Nite Owl legit thought Ozymandias was joking and asked if he was serious after he reported to him his plan already happened a minute after they where seen on his base.
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Stephen King once explained that writing is both magic and time travel. Writing is able to take out thoughts from one time and place to another. We can see Anne Frank and Shakespeare’s thoughts and stories, despite their deaths, and the distance of time and place.
Beautifully stated. I’ll add, it is in and of itself, immortality. Your voice, lives on.
Hah, jokes on you, I was picturing Dr.Manhattans junk *before* you mentioned it.
jjmblue7 Then you affected *his* mind. Magic.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Don't worry.
Dr. Manhattan's Junk pictured you long before you mentioned it.
Zeithri wow, going deep!
Nice.
@@Zeithri :D
I believe that "end the world" means to end a way of thinking and change of an idea.
end of one world, beginning of another.
World was the wrong translation of aeon in the bible. It should of been aeon
Apocalyptic Renaissance of Truth.
Wait a second... are we Wisecrack?
I only noticed now that Jared addresses *us* as Wisecrack.
SimplyMav We are Wisecrack. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
We do not forgive. We do not forget. We only wax philosophical about pop culture.
.........magic
Hey wisecrack, jared here.
I mean, think about it
Have you ever seen wisecrack and vsauce in the same place
the problem with human imagination is reality has an annoying habit of getting in the way
bro..that reminded me of this soundcloud.com/scruffnuk-dust/scruffnuk-new-tape-coming-up
You said it perfectly!
Disagree. Everyone perceives reality differently. Its the similarities shared in the multiple perceptions which most begrudgingly compromise to as reality.
This is a hollow statement.
@@MonologueManiaWithER We can perceive a hot stove to be cold, yet we will still burn ourselves when we touch it. Philosophical nonsense doesn't change how the world works.
Definitely one of the most profound videos I've seen in a long time. This is why I love Wisecrack
This just sold me Promethea
its really good definitely check it out..its interesting writing basically explaining hermeticism and moores philosophy in comic format also the art and layout of each issue is fucking INCREDIBLE.
Promethea is great as it's basically just Moore telling you his beliefs
enjoy! its my fav comic of all time, and i have read a lot of comics lol
If you are in to Satanism sure, but get fucked if so
Same. I bought the 5 hardcover books of the series and it's a fantastic read.
This is MOORE of what I love from this channel.
I don't only want MOORE' I need MOORE.
This took me way to long to get the joke
Lol. Womp Womp.
Some people get by with a little understanding.
BUT I WANT MOORE
This is good, I'm going to treat you all to lunch . Dinty -MOORE beef stew anyone ? There's MOORE to it than Campbells .
more! Moore!
As a student of Hermeticism this made me so happy. People are so blind to the "immaterial" aspects of life and because of this blindness they walk like those who are asleep, as though they are the body and nothing more. To be awake is to be aware of not just your body and your surroundings but of your MIND and your SPIRIT. To ignore both is a fallacy, you are not your thoughts, but instead are a receiver of thoughts from points throughout your body. You are judge over these thoughts and it is your job to tend to them. However, most people are unaware that they should be judge over their thoughts, and instead they perceive that their thoughts are their own. This then essentially makes all of man kind like sleep walkers that are being driven by these unseen forces thinking that they are in control all along. So be Woke and judge your thoughts as if they are suggestions from your neighbor instead of a creation of your own.
#MoreMoore That was amazing and slightly trippy. You have started me on my own path of research into hermeticism and reading more of Alans work.
"For the magician expectation creates perspective"
Same applies to those who research quantum mechanics.
So in this light the Clarke's quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" matches perfectly here.
Ritual magicians have all been EXTREMELY into quantum mechanics ever since the field was first proposed. You see writings by Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons about how exciting it was that science looked like it might give proof to the fundamental points of their philosophy. And the variety of magick that Grant Morrison practices, chaos magick, was mostly developed by physicians and mathematicians working in the field of quantum mechanics.
@@matthewhearn9910 when you say physicians do you mean physicists?
@@pacotaco1246 he does
As I watched this video a third time an epiphany came to me, I think Moore's prediction of "the world's end" was right, and he had at only missed the mark a year or two, not earlier, but LATER.
the age of popular internet and the explosion of social media did indeed overwhelmed us as a species with excessive knowledge, exceeding what we can reasonably consume when we were first biologically conjured as cavemen, and the "realization" of the immaterial and the material being just as real did indeed dawned upon us, whether we like it or not, just as Moore predicted.
Yet unfortunately, it did not occur in the way Moore, or any idealist thinker hoped, instead of waking everyone up to the possibilities of creating better things on the world through imagination, the same realization of the immaterial instead drove people into the realms of natural tribalism and fear. The extreme left started to see the entire world as a battlefield, everything can be perceived as oppression, and everyone an oppressor, closing off all possibilities communication to the other side, "helping" the oppressed without even listening to their true wishes or the effects of their own actions; mean while the extreme right started to see themselves as a tribe under siege, with everything new and unfamiliar opposing them and has to be crushed to preserve their identity, and started to see all educated elites swindlers peddling corporate interests, and fall back on their own visceral emotion as the judgement criteria for all things; meanwhile in the background, common reality started to decay and liquefy in alarming pace, as everyone retrieve to their own information bubble of social media and echo chamber new sources for "the truth"
This is not merely happening in America, this is what is happening behind the global revolt against globalization and the new wave of anti-intellectualism.
This is the nightmare version of everything Moore envisioned, the dark side of the coin of the immaterial, of imagination as perceived reality, I think Moore didn't predict this happening, he imagined people would be able to balance the material, and the immaterial, and thus becoming creative juggernauts while maintaining a firm grasp of objective reality, but it turns out, the minds of our human brethren are still too young, still too prone to the mechanisms of human nature: tribalism, conflict seeking, and fear.
I only hope this is temporary, and the grasp of object reality will return to us all to balance the override of the immaterial.
This is an underrated comment. My hope is that this Global Waking Nightmare is the catalyst for a metaphorical Great Awakening, a species-wide version of jolting upright in bed after a particularly horrific dream.
I think it was more like “the end of the world... as we know it” and Moore was absolutely right. I see so many people slowly waking up to this though not many on the internet.
Discussions about consciousness, reality, perception, awakening and enlightenment are commonplace; science and language is developing to describe consciousness in the individual which is in turn developing our understanding of it. When we apply “as above, so below” to consciousness we can conceptualise how we are a component of a grand collective consciousness and simultaneously an individual
really interesting point
This is a great comment man. Like Moore said, the world is both material and immaterial, and in this case, he was talking about the immaterial world. Or in other words, the way we perceive imagination will also change.
I think he was right, at least to a lot of people. I've never read most of his comics, but I did read the source material as a teenager, Occult books. For a long time I thought it was all bullshit, but a little while after Trump was elected, my brain basically exploded for lack of a better analogy, overload by just vastly opposing concepts that where both equally true, and the world was destroyed, literally my entire concept of reality was gone in an instant. When this happened I realized that what I read as a teenager was not all bullshit but actually very accurate and insightful when interpreted correctly. This whole thing was a pretty big shock to me having spent most of my adult life a very rational science minded person. So to figure out what was happening I started looking around for other people who had this experience, and it turns out there are quite a lot of them. There seems to be something to what he's saying about this global awakening. I do think it will be more of a gradual change for most though, but I do think it has already happened, I think the people experiencing this ego death sort of experience has reached critical mass and the world will change quite a bit because of it. As always in our world though it will be a slow change and not without opposition or struggle, not an instant change. It's not so easy to tell anymore, but we're in a war right now, a spiritual war in many ways. Not only will it lay waste to all the dogmatic religions of old, but challenge the dogma of science as well. Once upon a time long ago, spirituality and science separated as science just went full speed ahead leaving spirituality in the dust, but it seems spirituality is catching up, and soon they must merge again so we may fulfill our destiny. The Magician dude is totally right, our imagination creates reality, in more ways than we probably understand right now. Thinking positive is not a joke, your mind literally shapes reality, so be mindful of your thoughts young Padawan. And I should probably learn to take my own advice hehe. Anyway, loved the comment, bit bleak but good, thanks for writing.
I'm glad I've been watching your channel since 2015 because if this was my first video from you guys I would be having a existential crisis right now.
I clicked so hard on this video I am so frickin' pumped please do more videos on comics/comic creators thanks bye
I love "V for Vendetta" - the comic is even better than the movie!
“If the movie is the same as the comic, there’s no reason to watch the movie at all”. Just saying. Even though the movie isn’t like the comic, its still great.
Most comics are better than their media adoptions
@@dweetsauce8513 The number of people that will watch a movie is much larger than those that have read the comic.
I think an audio book or a radio play would have been a better choice than a movie.
I’m 100% down for further analysis of Alan Moore! Would you guys ever be interested in running a book club as I’d love to read a chapter(s) along with weekly analysis by yourself in video / audio format. Hearing you talk of Promethea and jarousailm seems like there’s potential!
jimbolimboboy i have to agree with you that a "book club" would be pretty cool.
First time I read the Watchmen I was transformed.
Try the Saga of the Swamp Thing. I'd seriously place it on the same level as Watchmen when it hits its peak.
Absolutely agreed.
it was good, i liked the movie ending more tho
I'll never forget turning the page to the blood-drenched devastation of NYC. That's powerful art.
Same man, it's an incredible book.
I love these videos that you rewatch hundreds of times from time to time unconsciously
This is and forever will be one of my favorite videos of yours
This video is one of the best explanations of the Bard class in D&D -- that words and art and song and memes have real magical power that influence the world in a perceivable way, and one need merely learn to tap into the power of consciousness to wield it.
Azzy they base a lot of stuff in d and d, at least loosely, on real world myths
DnD is the shit to introduce teenage minds to
i also really liked the white wolf shit
This is the bardiest thing i've ever read, no multi-classing or anything
Playing a wizard now, deffo want to try out bard for my next character.
Alan Moore signed my copy of watchmen babies
Jeevan Singh When? I thought he doesn’t do that.
Did he do it with magic? I.e. did you imagine it? 😉
Jeevan Singh is that a Simpson's reference ?
Which one is your favorite?
David Lloyd signed my copy of V for vendetta... maybe one day i come across Allan Moore.
This demands a Terence McKenna episode.
Oh shit!
I'd like to see a Robert Anton Wilson episode!
i was thinking the same
Lol I learned about hermeticism through Terence. Fucking brilliant man
Alan Moore never ceases to blow my mind
So Your Mind is Blown' you can get Tablets for that' though they are cheaper from Down the Vets. Just Don't touch the purple ones
More of this please.
*Moore
Moore orf displease
More Moore please
More Moore
DY Fortescue the existence of this comment is a highly underated phenomenom.
(Do do dodo doo)
At 2:23 the ad ends.
Robert Plant's evil twin.
This is one of the best Wisecrack videos.
I have been trying to explain this to people and it scares me. But this guy has done what I don’t have the tools and know how. Thank u
It scares you because it scares them
I forgot what it felt like to read watchmen years ago - like reading one of the greatest works of literature, which it is. thanks for reminding and telling more - the man is fascinating and his ideas are grandiose (i find). you've got one of the gratest channels on youtube, keep up the good work.
This is a fantastic video. I'm always impressed by your videos Wisecrack team, but this one really shines.
Holy shit this is my favorite video to date. I love Alan Moore!
I would like to bring forth important evidence in this case you have presented: Promethea issue #5 When Sophie visits the prior incarnation of Promethea in the hospital. "....Ending the world. Yeah, yeah. Sophie, Faust was messing with your head. That's what magicians do. You've got bigger problems."
i miss thug notes
ntnl1212 yeah whatever happened to my man anyway
I don't
Didn't they do a Ready Player One recently?
Books suck.
Get the book. Then be a Thug Paladin.
Nigga you can get your ass whooped with class. Detroit is doing it, I think. Paintball wars.
That's how easy it WAS to solve gun violence, for, with, and by America, but people still think we want to emulate Australia. They think they're tough just cuz they got big spiders. Buy a gun, prick.
Jay Tee I can't tell what you're suggesting. Books suck so get a gun? Some people in Detroit playing paintball doesn't stop gun violence.
Tom Strong, Promethea, Top Ten, and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen are one of his highly underrated works that everyone should check out.
15:20 I'm pretty sure it's "Professor Einstein," not "Her father in his time."
Wouldn't the point be that their neither and both at the same time?
@@M05tlyper=her? Facer=father? How are those phonetically related?
Yeah I was thinking the same
Einstein had no academic Degrees or Doctorates, so that would be "Mr Einstein".
Grant Morrison next? (Then Lynch?)
Cracked Pince-Nez i say more wizards as well.
Yes!!! I'd love to write a philosophy of Grant Morrison! "Supergods" is my favorite autobiography I've ever read, simply because it's so insane. One chapter he talks about ascending to heaven and meeting alien angels, the next he's talking about how the original Spider-man movie performed, and the next he's talking about meeting Jesus.
Cracked Pince-Nez so much yes! Grant is the polar opposite of Moore when it comes to magick. They both come at the same thing from different sides. And both openly express magick in everything they do.
Ian Katz-Mager Man I miss there being a Disinfo Con. I remember I saw that video when I was 16 and just starting to introduce Crowley and Spare into my life. Abducted by aliens in Kathmandu Valley!!
Lynch, and Jodorowsky
Good stuff. I own Jerusalem but couldn't make it passed 20 pages or so. Didn't know what I was getting into at all. Gonna have to give it another go. Moore breakdowns like this and less Rick and Morty, please.
I see what you did there ;)
Jerusalem was designed that way. The first 50 pages are deliberately hard to get through (Moore called it "an anti idiocy device") which he later regretted. Once you get past that and get into it, Jerusalem is an amazing work.
@@medes5597 That seems counter productive, considering he wants to change everyone's mind and not just some people's.
@@user-uq4gr5nl5o his idea, not mine. Take it up with him. Probably why he regretted it though.
@@medes5597 He himself described it as being "to keep out the scum".
This is my favorite work you've done so far. Excellent analysis, delving into the deeper ideas of the meta-narrative. Consistently balanced work. I came here to subscribe after watching many videos, and to comment on particular on the challenging material you've dealt with her with expertise befitting high academia. Looking forward to your work on The Sopranos.
This is my favourite wiscrack vid and I wish there were Moore
the sponsor was questionable.
Not so much when you think of Doctor Manhattan is bald and Owlman (2) has trouble getting it up. Just saying.
An ad targeting super villains
This is the best choice of video you guys have ever made.
Also, notice how this and the Full Metal Alchemist video are basically teaching one lesson. Different ways of seeing the world enrich it, and our understanding of it. And, ultimately, they all say the same thing, from different perspectives.
Please Wisecrack, do more videos on these concepts. It's refreshing to see how Science, Religion, Philosophy, Mathematics, Hermetism, Art, etc. can all be used to study reality from different angles, and provide different levels of interpretation.
If you do V for Vendetta, please don't do the movie, do the comic book.
Sancez thugnotes did it
Sancez agreed
Okay, this video was great as always but the Hims ad is SUPER sketchy. I know people need money but sheesh
Yeah, they need to drop that. Drug advertising is inherently wrong.
Man I’m so immune to advertising at this this point that I didn’t notice it until 17:44. This ad is barely noticeable how are you living in 2018 and still receptive to ads???
Did you pay to see the video? No, so how else are they going to make money? The moment you PERSONALLY pay, they wont put up ads. Just the way the system works mate. I don't know how you don't get that.
Ali Ince The problem isn’t that they are using ads within the video, which is perfectly fine. It’s the specific ad in this video, which is an online pharmacy service that is sketchy as all can be.
If that's the only group offering money... I mean, they are talking about Alan Moore. Not a lot of mainstream awareness.
I'm vibing so hard with Alan Moore rn 🔥✨
This is definitely what I am interested in seeing more of. I have read some of Moores writings on magic and I think it's basically true. It's very similar to memetics, ideas like racism or captalism are completely made up by humans, but they can be spread virally. Paradigm shifts occur when the amount of people who believe an idea to be true reaches a critical mass that allows for those ideas to be actualized in society, usually via laws and regulations, which are another sort of spell.
Laws give justification for enforcement of those ideas upon other people and therefore reality, though more often than not many people are only superficially forced to follow a law while not believing in the ideas behind those laws. Laws are fought through civil disobedience, symbolic action that defies the so called truth behind laws, or the other side of the coin, being a criminal, which is just another way of saying the same thing.
The only line between criminality and civil disobedience is generally whether the act is harmful to others or not, either intentionally, or through neglect or recklessness. But ultimately the line is defined by what people will allow, and what people believe to be true, or can be convinced to believe, specifically what people believe counts as harm to others. Fascist rule exists by creating a stranglehold on reality through laws and control of what people are told is true via media and education, in conjunction with laws and policies that are essentially criminal in of themselves, due to the amount that they bring harm to others.
The battle over reality takes place in courtrooms, on TV, in movies, and in classrooms on a macro level, and on a micro level through everyday conversations about these ideas, whether face to face or online. Though a widely distributed idea in any form, whether blockbuster film, tweet, or comic book, can have a macro level effect.
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All of this is very tiring, isn't it?
Kuroda Cursus the comic books and movies are cool, but yeah, the constant stream of corporate and political propoganda got old a long time ago.
I don't know who watches the watchmen, but I DO know the wise watches wisecrack
Yoki Lewis Damn right son, WE'RE WISE
Moore gave a talk to a bunch of scientists where he started off saying "I believe magic is real" and by the end had most of the audience (again, scientists) saying "well, when you put it that way, ok." (I'm paraphrasing, not quoting, obviously)
I love how you guys presented him as a "wizard" so I would think he's a loon, then proceed to convince me of his beliefs and wonder why more people don't agree. Wisecrack, slowly making us loons.
Anyways, do Philosophy of True Detective
So I bought Promethea halfway through this video. Excited to read it.
Kudos to the editing effects. Raw creativity
If you are interested in this guy then you should read his book 'Jerusalem'. It's an enormous semi-mythical saga of the town of Northampton, (England). It's my home town, and the book offers a really interesting look into Moore's nature, philosophy and sense of humour.
Dude, there has to be a Miracle man episode, unless it's already happened
>Talks about astrology
>Shows a picture related to astronomy
Moore's ideas about the connection between language and magic seem somewhat related to the concept of the "hypersigil" as popularized by Grant Morrison. Furthermore, Evangelion also touches the topic of human evolution as the joining together of all individual consciousnesses...
Yeah, that's because they both stem from chaos magick. Austin Osman Spare, Peter J. Carroll, Discordianism, and so forth. They also do work with the concept of a collective unconscious.
It's not JUST about a collective consciousness. That's incredibly short-sighted. It's about Holism.
Imagine Alan Moore adaptation directed by Stanley Kubrick
Cool
This has been a transforming
I saw myself evolve over the course of the video
It was surreal
Thank you for putting such immense thought and effort
You have changed one soul for sure
your thanks should go to Alan Moore...
@@V4W i got introduced to him thhrough the video and have certainly been in awe ever since, there are very little access to comics in india but from whatever i found online of his work has made me a fan for sure
Hi Wisecrack folks,
Are there still new episodes of Thug Notes being made? I miss it!
Tyler Clausen Sparky Sweets may have split off to do other stuff? It's a shame, really. His series is good stuff.
Aaron Yandell I hope he comes back soon and continues his literary style!
Love moore, next do neil gainman, or grant morrison
or do the man with the ''Blown Mind'' first, Sounds like He needs Attention. then do the Rest of the People on here, all Holding up their arms to score points from Sir with their abstract ideas and (semi Blown Minds)
3:14
I kid u not, these exact words came out of my mouth literally during this exact moment.
Please do Philosophy of Grant Morrison
That is MOORE-like it
Why wasn`t there a bigger deal about "Professor Einstein" being understood as "her father in his time"?
I think is idea of language as magic is pretty similar to some of the ideas of Wittgenstein, that we are all playing 'language games' where by we do not simply communicate our perception of reality by imbue it with meaning and form by our means of communication. The whole world ending thing though is crazy.
Actually Moore describes the end of the world as Nietzsche describes the death of God, something necesary to take humanity on a higher ground.
It makes more sense if you think of it as the world (as we know it). The world will still be here, but everything that humans experience will be different.
Well I'm pretty sure all it takes is a few choice words from washington for the world to end
Well now I know what they mean by all intellectuals go to hell. And here I thought we were just starring in a crazier version of Idiocracy
Well, you can't deny that if we all suddenly stopped seeing things only one way, which is each individual's way, and perceived and interpreted in multiple, which is everybody else's way, while still including yours, the current state of the world would end, either for better or for worse.
Could you guys do the Philosophy of Urusawa's "Monster"?
Roling K Well it would be sort of the same as the philosophy of The Joker Atleast the interesting parts with Johan who is a nihilist.
It would be far more interesting 20th Century boys
Roling K yes! So underrated
Revoking this channel if they don't... lol
Roling K Why do people like Monster so much ? Not that it was bad manga or anything , but since there are so many other Urasawa works out there you might think that someone would mention something else (Billy bat , Yawara , Pluto , Master Keaton etc) . Can someone explain why ??
Alan Moore releasing Jerusalem while knowing that the world would end before we'd have time to finish it is the most Alan Moore thing of all time... 🙂🩸🐍
This Video is PURE GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well Done!
This is the 1st video I've ever seen of yours and I have to say you're a freakin genius dude. You've made me look at what I'm reading now Providence a whole different way because he's doing the same thing with language youre talking about Thank you so much for outting this video out
Moore was right about something though. There has been a spark of something totally new we've discovered and it's gonna be a big thing one day. We just gotta use it to our advantage
once ppl have finally grown bored of all the conflict, theyll finally realize they just need to empower themselves and that will be the true driving force of the next revolution.
is right about everything*
Excellent video! You explained the subject (Alan Moore's viewpoint of hermeticism) extraordinarily well in a brief period of time, plus you kept me entertained. Thank you. 🤔
Isn't the text showed at 15:30 is professor Einstein and not her father?
Please do the philosophy of:
Huey freeman
Spike spiegel or cowboy bebop
Brent Pilgrim good idea. boondocks is brilliant!
they just recently did bebop
I don't think the narrator/presenter has actually read "Jerusalem." Of the nearly 1,300 pages of the book, only one section is written in alternate phonetic prose. It was the most frustrating part to get through, but is was hardly the over-arching tone/style of "Jerusalem." The concept of Eternalism isn't discussed in this video, and that is one of the major themes of the novel.
I’ve watched this three times. Really interesting
Hey Wisecrack. You're my favorite UA-cam channel. I always learn while eating dinner and watching you. Can you please do a video on House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewesky?
We need more of this, thankyou for this awesome video
I didn't realize that Wisecrack's audience was mostly men until I saw the sponsor! Cool product.
Edit: I'd also love to see the relationship between Laurie and Sally Jupiter explored. It was the highlight of Before Watchmen for me.
Kristen Marie Pimley it’s probably cause 80-85% of UA-cam’s viewers are men
Kristen Marie Pimley Before Watchmen had its ups and downs, but the Silk Spectre and Minutemen ones were pretty darn good
Fun fact Hims hair loss meds have ED as a side effect, which they use the opportunity to sell you the penis pills.
Also I wouldn't reccomend taking any meds you get online from doctors who are paid to try and sell you the product.
Kristen Marie Pimley or their audience is solely young women struggling with social cues gifting their dads a getting old, growing bald kit for his seventieth.
*Avinash Sekhon* I don't thnik so. There are 1.57 billion active youtube accounts. It is more like 50/50
Small foot note for you. Hermis Trimegatus is a combination of Hermis, Thoth, and a Mortal Man also name Hermis. Hermis Duemegatus is the combination without the mortal Hermis.
kai magnus Hermes not Hermis.
no name saving you money everyday thank you. Thought I spelled it wrong just couldn't remember
kai magnus Thanks for being all class friend, i.e not telling me to f**k off for spellchecking your comment. The comments section can be a real minefield sometimes...
What little I remember about Hermes Trismegistus, I Iearned of in "Promethea" mostly. What about you? Did he pop up elsewhere in Moore's work?
no name saving you money everyday Believe it or not, he played a major antagonist role in the game my profile pic is from. The historical basis is usually pretty close even with the liberties it takes. That was pretty much a starting point to a lot of research on him.
Cool. An extended universe of sorts, then. I'm not much of a gamer I'm afraid. Still I'll look it up. Thanks for taking the time. : )
Had to watch this one twice and i'm just now starting to get what Moore was trying to say about the fundamentals of reality. We are only as real as we imagine ourselves to be
Philosophy of Cowboy Bebop, please
Moore was indeed wrong of the end of the world as everyone has different perspectives and knowledge. If everyone got the message they would then branch out into the infinite outcomes of events from the given information. Like Soma the horror game there is no concrete answer of concession if we’re given the answers and memories of Moore’s philosophy we would go off to different patterns of conclusion to fulfill the infinite outcomes. Food for thought, wisecrack should talk about Soma as it would go great with recent videos.
That's an entirely egotistical presumption Flores
I only watch Wisecrack when Jared presents. Thx again.
Philosophy of Watchmen/V for Vendetta?
Not a Moore book but a philosphy of Pax Americana would be great.
Would that be American Empire? No thanks.
sure, why not? manifest destiny is about ready to be deconstructed
A second comment I'd like to make as a result of my own previous statement.
The funny thing is, Alan Moore's mind expanding nature of his stories is present in, among other things, the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
My mind literally expanded immensely when I read Volume II of the series, and realizing the sheer brilliance of the series lead to a love of writing and storytelling I've maintained ever since.
Moore seems like the type of person to have coffee in his tea
you mean a macha latte?
wow UA-cam recommendation been on point
Using Moores interpretation every artist that ever existed is a magician
Please teach us the philosophy of 120 Days of Sodom!
Consumerism, am I right?
This felt like when your stoned friend tries to explain to you his new occult interest
your content its one of the best balanced between being deep and entertaining, i can't stop watching, and I'm a picky bastard, I dont even comment videos ever
If the idea of "as above, so below" is true, then what becomes the point of seeking to ascend (or descend, for that matter)? After all, no matter what level you get to, it's essentially all the same. 😕
Maybe, but the way it feels is different.
I think maybe its about being closer to the source/truth/oneness so you can help other people ascend to those levels of higher vibration ie non material focused existence...maybe not ;)
Or from a Taoist viewpoint its the sphere of all possible circles and one point is as good as any whether above below left or right
You could also make more videos about other great writers, like Grant Morrison and Neil Gaiman
Agreed
Disagreed. There are tonnes of videos on these folk, neither of whom are "great writers". Good maybe not great.
Anon B I'm sure your writing is much better.
Vilesentry The good old "Et tu quoque?" defence. One day I might become a better writer than him, you never know. I am already a published writer, and if I can see certain faults within Moore's writing then I can avoid those exact same faults within my own fiction. I am confident of my own abilities, and have read widely enough to gauge how good Moore's literary skills are.
On the other hand, he is a much better illustrator/visual artist than I will ever be, so I can't beat him in that sense. But that too is relative, since his artistic skills are inferior to William Blake, Alasdair Gray and other much greater writers who have illustrated their own works.
Moore isn't actually that great a writer. Good, but not great. I probably could outdo him on the writing side with a bit of effort and editing. Certainly in terms of plot & character development which are a bit two dimensional in his case. As for Blake & Gray, I would be lucky to ever beat them on either score.
Anon B yes, I am sure you could outdo him. Care to share some of your work so we can judge it as well?
I love Alan Moore, but I think his Anarchism is a far more important and driving force behind his work - could you do one on that please?
Is it possible to do a follow up on Grant Morrison and his practice of Chaos and Sigil Magic? He also has written comics as works of magic(or magick, if you use his spelling), though I'm unsure of exactly how his and Moore's philosophy on Magic as Art overlap or contradict.
Also, holy shit is it amazing that you guys did this episode. I never would have expected you guys to tackle this subject.
yo you gotta read SUPERGODS by Grant Morrison.
Just added it to my list of books to buy. Unfortunately I haven't read much by him, mainly Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth. A work friend loaned it to me and I loved it, especially the abundance of Occult iconography. All Star Superman was great as well. I pretty much hated Superman until I read that story. Thanks for the recommendation!
I personally favourite by Grant Morrison is the Filth,the whole series is only 13 issues long,but what a head fuck it is! 😀🔫
Amen! Morrison has been influenced by Moore so much, like a branch of the same tree of knowledge