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Denix Replica 1851/Griswold Revolver review
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- Опубліковано 1 січ 2013
- Review of the Denix Replica 1851 Navy Confederate revolver.
The Colt 1851 Navy was used by both sides in the American civil war however the Confederate version often used brass as steel was in short supply.
Technically known as a Griswold Gunnison.
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I am very tempted to pick this up along with Colt SAA with 'dummy' cartridges. The Colt Navy is such a beautiful and iconic revolver. Until recently I thought these replicas were illegal in the UK. I'd love the chance to load and shoot a real cap and ball gun, getting dirty with the black powder, brilliant :-) As a massive fan of westerns I would just love to get my hands on one of these. Thanks for the informative review.
This gun was actually known as a Griswold and Gunnison it was the confederates answer to the 1851 navy.
And the Denix replicas are a lot lighter than the real live firing versions not heavier.
Ive got this exact revolver, its a bit wooly but i love revolvers its just something about them i carnt explain, thanks for posting, i bought mine and it cost 80 quid! much love and peace all!
Thank you WildGaston everybody says its the 1851 colt navy or colt army 7 in barrel. But it's a griswold & Gunnison by Sam Griswold and Arvin Gunnison. The army of the famed General Sherman had his men burn the Griswold & Gunnison Revolver factory to the ground. So if you get a real griswold I would keep and never sell it because they are rare to find a real one.
in the United States replicas of those Firearms are not considered firearms because they are antiques
They're not considered firearms because they're not firearms. They don't shoot anything. They're non-firing replicas. Just wood and aluminum. They're as much guns as a gun made from legos
I believe he is referring to the black powder versions. They are consider antique non-firearms, however they still fire since they are cap and ball. You can order them online and have them shipped directly to your home.
The law is a bit more complicated than that... to NOT be considered a firearm under Federal law the gun has to be of a design older than 1899 and not fire metallic cartridges. If you take a black powder gun and change the cylinder or otherwise convert it to use metallic cartridges it then becomes a firearm under the law and all the laws and limitations apply to it... In addition all 50 states plus territories, even different cities within those States and territories have different laws as to whether or not replica arms are firearms or not and whether they or any firearm or gun can be carried or even kept at home with or without a license.
@@KWatson1984 Please refer to Nuts in Puss' comment. It's the same meaning. 😉
In the UK if its a replica based off a gun from 1870 and below it considered an antique but if its 1870 or higher you need a licence
I just ordered one of these yesterday. I wanted something to mess around with while watching old cowboy shows and movie, thus, not a real firing replica. Though I might order one of the real firing replicas and have it shipped to my home. For now, the replica will be just fine!.
Yeah I've had no issues with it, great replica.
Nuts In Puss me too I’m excited for mine
Yes about £5-10 depending on the item size, normally they deliver within about 2 days.
Nice, the Ugly used this type of revolver in the GBU.
Also interestingly enough I think all of the revolvers and rifles used in the Dollars trilogy were Uberti replicas.
Actually, Blondie's gun is the same model but with rattlesnakes silver inlets on both handles. It's gorgeous 😍.
@@beskarman38 Think Blondie had the octagonal barrel - original 1851 navy (cartridge conversion)
I like that they are little rough, not so perfectly machined like some more expensive replicas. I believe back in the time guns weren't that perfect.
Colt was got damn near perfect i have one and the fit and finish is great better quallity Than new Italian made ones
@@S.V.M-MCMXCIXThis wasn’t Colt however, this was Grisworld and Gunnison.
There's a club near me I've looked into that I plan on joining once I sort transport out to get there, think it's about £150 a year or so and that includes the gun rental, you just pay extra for any ammunition you use.
I have the same revolver myself! My Spaghetti Western character wields one only it's converted to fire cartridges.
Yeah I have a couple of Denix replicas, and I really like them. The price seems to have shot up. But I'm very tempted to get some more.
Denix's poor casting quality is always what steered me away from them, and it's not just limited to the newer style guns either - Denix's 1896 Mauser C96 is inaccurate in almost every dimension and detail, the casting is again poor quality, the safety is molded as a part of the frame, and I've noticed that Denix has problems with accurately reproducing sight ramps on replica firearms, they just put a pin through it and let if flop around.
do you know of any other alternative companies that do western replicas and civil war?
@@wills9619 your best bet is probably buying a deactivated gun
@@wills9619 Uberti Pietta Pedersoli
@@maxmuster1150
Yes very good well made but shootable , so therefore not good for country's where gun licences are hard to get, plus they begin around $500 so a bit pricey for those wanting just wall mounted replicas, my suggestion would be Umarex co2 gun makers BBs and pellets, more expensive than the Dennix but they are superbly made and you can have fun plinking with them, they do rifles too, there's also WinGun a Taiwanese firm that make Webley Vls and Crosman Remington 1865.. 7and half inch barrel
@@maxmuster1150
That's not a really a solution. They don't produce blank-firing or non-firing replicas! Their guns are real, so you need a permit.
And mine functions perfectly fine
Is it possible to fire blanks for just black powder for re-enactments?
The 1860 revolver was the previous Colt model, the front section looks slightly different but apart from that they're very similar.
Again, actually closer to a Dragoon, round barrel, etc., except Dragoons were always .44 cal, Navys were always .36 cal.
But Samuel Colt himself said that the 1860 Army .44 with the streamlined barrel assembly was, "the most beautiful" of all models…he was very proud of it.
On an original 1851 Navy the barrel was also octagonal :)
(or hexagonal/pentagonal I forget haha)
There's nothing wrong with Denix replicas. I've had a couple & seen literally hundreds of others. Yeah, some are better than others, some of the detail can be a little off & some of the moulding isn't neat, but they're meant to put on walls, used on stage or seen in the background on films & tv. For that they're fine.
The problem arises when people rough handle or just plain abuse them. They're die-cast, not steel & even "real" guns can't take the level of abuse a lot of people seem to think they can. Treat these as what they are - low density alloy castings & you'll be fine.
Denix are one of the biggest names in replicas in Europe. They didn't get that big by producing rubbish.
Cheers Mike, yeah seems to be very well made, and glad the M1911 is well made as well, I heard lots of complaints about Denix but from experience it sounds like fuss over nothing.
Got his gun, love to think that its a clint eastwood replica for the good the bad and the ugly
In that movie Clint Eastwood used a Colt Navy
I ve got this Replica in my leaving room! You cant shoot of course targets (although you can pull the triger), just for decoration.
Cool.
Sure feel free to send me the link if you want me to take a look.
ball and powder? i thought they already had bullets
Could use either ball or Minie ball.
During the period although some modern cartridge guns had been developed they weren't trusted enough to be fielded yet.
I got four of the Denix 1866 Winchester rifles and blued them, they are really well made. Denix replicas are all made of cast metal( Pot metal) The same as blank guns, not steel
Do they come with some replica bullets ?
No problem,
you can own a real firing replica without a license, however you'd need an explosives license to buy blackpowder for them.
There are some companies that making firing replicas that work with other smokeless powders that need no license.
I was looking to get this for gun spinning since i only have the peacemaker with the long barrel which can be quite. Tricky hehe. Thanks
No problem
this is actually the colt m1860 not the colt 1851 navy wich you can see easily by this gun having a circular barrel rather than an octagonal one
Thanks.
Pre 1873 replicas are legal post 1873 replicas need a firearms license or a theatrical license.
Weaponsandstuff93 no you don't need a theatrical licence or a weapon licence to own a replica gun
You're describing the Union version, the Confederate version looks pretty much identical to this.
I don't have anywhere I can legally discharge a firearm, and I'm not a fan of clay pigeon etc.
If I join a rifle club at some stage I might apply for a FAC but in the meantime it's pretty pointless for me.
As has already been mentioned but the G&G is a clone of the 1851 anyway.
I do have a real one and bought this to get the wooden handle. Hopefully it fits
Yes right until where the front of cylinger/chambers.
Well this fire Caps, like those Red peel and push over the cylinder Cap Holder? 👍
The only thing I don't like about these is that the Barrel Retaining lug does not come out. Apart from that they are a good replica.
I think a lot of things like that are done to make it harder to modify them, which is illegal in quite a few countries. Especially the UK where it seems ever year our laws get more and more restrictive on replica and deactivated firearms.
This is just a wall piece, both Uberti and Pietta make some of the best replica cap and ball revolvers around. You don't need a licence but you will need a black powder licence if you are going to fire it, unless of course it has been converted to a cartridge revolver than you will need a firearms licence.
+Arcticwolf1964 Sure but I never claimed it did fire, issue is I have yet to find a site selling cap and ball revolvers without demanding a SGC or similar for sales regardless of actually shooting it.
Arcticwolf1964 Oh my god I'm so happy to be from Texas, a cap and ball revolver isn't even considered a gun here. Assault rifles are bought at the same register as socks.
Is Denix still selling this replica with the wrong cylinder bolt notches ? I would buy one if it had the correct Navy type notches.
I wish Denix would make the Wells Fargo revolver with a FIVE chambered cylinder instead of the six.
To clear things up this is NOT a replica of an 1851 navy at all. It is a replica of a griswold and gunnison revolver. The griswold and gunnison was one of the few guns that ever used a brass frame. There was only one 1851 navy. No "confederate" or "union" model. Any 1851 with a brass frame is not historically accurate. What you have is a non firing replica of a griswold and gunnison revolver which is similar to the navy, but not the same.
Okay everyone, fyi. I have this SAME gun and it is NOT "painted black". It is a more shiny black but the camera changes it. Mine DOES have an Octagonal barrel, he must have got a refurbished one.
I think revolver and muskets etc are Denix's 'thing'; their lower quality stuff seems to be the more modern assault rifles etc which the haven't made for as long.
Can you put caps on this ?
very cool video
+high 69 Thanks
Where do I buy one of these
Does this have an open barrel?
ok thanks im going to buy that one or the colt 45 7 peacemaker or the 45 5 peacemaker if you want i can send you the link then yyou can say wich one is the best
I have a Uberti Leech &Rigdon. It is a good shooter.
how come you dont have shotguns/riflesFAC ? or is it the hassle of the police checks and things
I have a Denis replica revolver colt SAA peacemaker
I bought one as well recently.
waiting for mine.
Do these models not take fake bullets/caps like the peacemaker?
No as these revolvers shot ball ammunition, there is fake ammo glued inside the cylinder.
hey nice replica with this modèle we can put it fake remorse with red plastic denix? remorse to make a noise ? thanks
I think their version of the SAA/Peacemaker can take fake cartridges with caps in the back.
Do these not cause issues with being imported?
Just curious as I want to.get a couple of colt dragoon replicas but don't want it to cause issues ha
I bought them from UK retailers so no issues
@@Weaponsandstuff93 happen to remember where?
Is it worth it? Thinking on getting this one for christmas
Well I like it.
@Weaponsandstuff93 i love clay pigeon, i have a real nack for it though so that makes ot more enjoyable
Can this fire bbs
Love it
Looks nice
If you drilled out the whole barrel could it fire?
Jon Young You would have to drill the cylinder chambers and the cap nipples and then it might fire once, but the only one hurt would be you.
They are not steel, they are a zinc alloy, they are just toys.
What makes this a non firing.
What would happen if you loaded and trues to fire it
It's made from pot metal, which is basically casted scrap metal.
Simply put, if you tried to fire it, it would explode.Boom.That's it.
I believe the barrels on these are actually blocked from the inside too.But i can't confirm that.
I have one and can confirm they have a casted seal over the barrel to stop any real bullets firing and it would explode like you said if you tried to shoot it
it can fire toy caps?
+petros311 I believe so but I've never actually tried it, the percussion cap nipples on the rear of the cylinder should accommodate red ring caps.
It is sad that in some parts of the world these toys are regulated by governments.
+3ducs A replica gun isn't a toy, try waving one at a cop and you'll rightful receive a Darwin award.
Tell that to the side of the box. I got a replica gun and on the shipping label it said the word "toy"
How do you get this can't find it online
I had some trouble finding one as well but just now today I found a company in EU that haved them.
Reply if your interested off the website
I'm interested
you should join a club, you wont regret it. Theese are about £200 i think for a real cap n ball revolver. im expecting my full membership to arrive soon, after that FAC .357 Magnum LBR :)
ok did youy try ? maybe i will buy this denix replica 1851 or colt army like pale rider thanks again.
Is the barrel hallowed out? Somebody pleez answer😭
No its plugged
You can drill a hole in it
Mais Knas bad idea to try and modify and shoot it even once the parts look to be cast pot metal and would likely blow apart with the ball still in the gun.
Does it fire anything?
Nope
You can put toy gun caps on the nipples, or maybe even real black powder percussion caps, but actually putting anything in the cylinders will blow off your hand, pretty much. The barrel doesn't go all the way through.
Is it heavy?
Fairly it's got a nice weight to it.
Weaponsandstuff93 oh ok thank you
how do u buynoff there website
the dead south
Take a right near the valentine and stop at the gun shop to pick one up.
cool
In Europe do YOU need a licence to be Able to poses one of those?
I don't know as I'm in the UK but Europe isn't one country.
is this gun the smae as the M 1860 ARMY REVOLVER
Nope, not a copy of the Colt 1851 Navy. Closer to the Colt Dragoon, but a bit smaller and in .36 cal. like the all Navy revolvers, never in .44 cal.
It's technically a Griswold & Gunnison
I have an 1878 peacemaker.
Cool
Get a firearms certificate and you can get a real one of those.
Some people live in. Britain and its expensive to have a firearm
Daniel Tanner Mate, I'm on about Britain. Its £50 for an FAC and these pistols can go for as little as a £150 second hand. I'm not saying its all cheap and its certainly not easy or a pleasant process getting one, but I know people who've got lots of guns in the this country and they're not all posh twats by any means. The more of us have them and want them the easier it will be and the better.
It would be cool, but you know in some countries, it's impossible to get a gun as a civilian. I'm from Hungary and one of my ex-cop friend told me, I should stop dreaming about getting one of these guns here. If you're not a policeman or a hunter or something like that, you'll never get the papers you need. So all I can get is a replica as long as I live here. :(
András Horváth Actually there is a channel here on YT that I think is Hungarian, and he shoots muzzle loading revolvers and vintage replica's etc. I can't remember the name and obviously he might not be a normal civilian, I dunno. I suppose you could always try and get an illegal one.
Yeah there are a few hungarian shooting channels too, I know most of 'em. Well it would be very dangerous to get an "illegal" gun from across the sea. It's possible to get a gun from "mysterious hooded people" (:D) on the street I guess (as far as I know those guys sell modern guns mostly), but to order a special gun, like a clone of an old colt, is too much. I don't want the police to ring the bell one day, sayin: "Good morning sir! We brought your order. Could you please show us your papers?" Nah. It's too risky. So I think a replica will be enough for now. I'm thinking about a Colt SAA gas revolver. It's the closest I can get, some of them is able too shoot rubber slugs. Pretty good for self-defense, and legal to get and carry. Plus very nice, high quality replicas. Aaaand that's not a toy. Not a real one of course, but pretty far from a toy. Thanks for the tips anyway. ;)
Don't drop it i did my cylinder won't rotate now.
Thanks for the warning
Thats fair anough:)
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purists hate them but I love them.
For the price they're very good.
well I have ordered one the peace maker, thanks.
Good I am waiting for the postmans delivery..
Cullen bohanon!!!!!!
Yup it's a Griswold.
I have a shooting replica
Cool, we can get the shooting replicas in the UK but you have to jump through more hoops, the replica isn't considered a firearm but without a license most sellers won't take the risk of selling it.
Weaponsandstuff93 here in the States real antique black powder guns older than 1899 and even new functional replicas are not firearms under US Federal law, and do not require background checks, people who cannot own regular guns can sometimes own them... but each state is free to decide otherwise and there is a patchwork of laws across the country.
KWatson1984
I have felony from nj for not having license for a pellet rifle
Brett Duffy that's messed up your state did that to you. Did you do something with it or just simple ownership without state permission? Can you appeal after a certain time?
Honestly that’s a bad replica. So much wrong
why tell us kilograms then pounds? what does it weigh in English? never mind this metric shite. we aint in the EU anymore
Thanks.