8cr is talked so poorly about it and the edge retention is perfectly serviceable. If the geometry is good and the heat treat is decent it will surprise you. Couple friends of mine we got together and set up using 8cr, s30v and bd1n (we used golden s30v and bd1n as well as the s30v from seki and their china Byrd line and the Spyderco china models to keep heat treats consistent. I've done this testing 3 times in total over a year-ish having them test to see if they can tell a difference and most couldn't between the knives with very similar blade geometry and the ones that did notice was the s30v Delica and the Byrd wharny meadow lark 2 and was running 13dps edge and of course had the thinnest geometry and that's why there was a noticeable perceived edge retention increase with 3 out of the 5 of my testers saying the meadow lark 2 cut the best and the longest before feeling dull when cutting the other two basically said that the Delica and Byrd wharnys cut the best but they coulsnt tell a difference in what dulled faster. The knives I had them test was all standard Spyderco geometry with the 3ish-mm stock at 17-18thou behind the edge except for the s30v Delica and the wharny meadow lark 2 that of course have much thinner spine thickness with the Delica coming down to about 17thou bte and the Byrd wharnys being about 14thou bte. The Delica and the meadow lark 2 was both sharpened to 13dps while all others was at 17dps. That thinner stock and lower edge angle more than made up for the reduction in edge retention based on steel composition and made the perceived edge retention of the Byrd the longest out of all the knives tested. The bd1n and s30v golden models I used for the test was a base Manix 2 LW and para 3 in bd1n, manix 2 s30v and a pm2 in s30v along with the s30v delica and the china 8cr models was 2x tenacious, efficient, wharny meadow lark 2 and the Harrier 2 wharny. How we did the testing was carry a week or until the knife isn't clean cutting the card board anymore (these 4 guys and 1 girl work in a shipping warehouse) no ceramic rod touch ups and no stropping. They was to call the knife dull once it starts to tear the card board rather than cleanly slicing it. We did this test a couple times with everyone trying each knife the following week. They was dulling out all the knives within 3-4 days but the two with the best geometry was the only two that anyone said their could tell a difference between. Was a fun test years ago. I need a couple people to do it again but with knives if basically identical geometry, like say the 8cr tenacious and the s30v para 3 same stock and within say 1thou of each other's behind the edge thickness I believe the average user wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference between the two in perceived edge retention even at the same geometry. I believe that people that are really focused on the edge retention would be able to tell a difference but not the average user. People simply hate on 8cr because of influencers speaking so poorly of it and 8cr having the stigma that it's on cheap crappy china knives and while 10 years ago that WAS the case but today not so much. Remember people those influencers (any of the larger ones, say 30k subs or more) that are speaking of how bad 8cr is and how they wouldn't ever carry it ARENT PAYING FOR THE KNIVES they are getting so it's easy for them to say yeah i wouldnt carry 8cr because i have all these china made knives jn s35vn qnd 20cv so it's super eaay for them to steel snob and try to get you to want that "premium steel" over the "crappy not serviceable china alphabet soup steel" and to click their links. Those guys and girls aren't testing those knives, they are flicking them and saying how great they are to get link clicks .. ide be willing to bet the vast majority of them couldn't tell you the difference between 8cr and s45vn in use of they didn't know what the blade steel was... In testing yes but not in actual use where one is cutting many different medias over a period of time. It's easy to scream oh I won't carry steels like that when you are getting everything free and making money off the links.... Pete and outpost76 are ones that didn't go that route and actually test and not getting everything free and reminding everyone 50 times a video to use their links. You did this test well and the results are as expected. Decent heat treat quality on 8cr with good geometry and the knife performed extremely well, that's much better than just serviceable edge retention that's plenty of edge retention for 95% of people carrying an EDC knife. I love my premium steels and exotic steel's as much as anyone BUT I also enjoy the more basic steels as well so long as heat treat is decent and the geometry good in happy. If you want to know exactly how silly most of the steel snobs are and how much most of the UA-cam knife channals know... Next time they speak so poorly of 8cr and tell you how poor it performs and it's at the very minimum of what they consider serviceable... Next time you hear that (and you will because most of them just repeat what they hear one say that sounds good) ask that person well what do you think about AUS8 and I bet money on it they will say "it's an ok steel I kinda like it" or something to that effect.... When you get that response out of one just giggle to your self and shake your head. Long post I know and I'm sorry. Just enjoyed the video and the proper testing being done... No unnecessary hate on 8cr and the steel showed that it's a perfectly serviceable edc steel for the vast majority of people. Remember when all the UA-camrs and people was saying how great "ar-rpm9" was??? And how everyone was calling it powder formed 9cr and it's so great??? Remember that?? I caught hell for saying when it first came out that I don't believe it's a powder steel and that it performs both in use and on the stones exactly like any decently done 8/9cr... Because that's exactly what it performed like but it stropped back better due to the finer micro structure. It tickled me to the core how the couple people that actually test steels and know about them continued to say yeah for the money it's a decent performing steel. after it came out that it was indeed not a powder met steel but rather spray form everyone all the sudden changed and now it's such a terrible steel that doesn't perform great .. the UA-camrs (not all but most) first stated totally retracting what they used to say about it and how great it is (links in descript lol) and then BAM oh it's not a powder met steel??? Nope never mind everything I said before this stuff isn't any good.... To them all that mattered is it's a powder steel that's all, once it was found out that it's just basically 9cr (I told them 2 years ago there's no way it's powder steel and performance is gonna be exactly that of 9cr it's on my ig way back if you want to read the comments lol .. what's sad those is them damning the performance of it after they find out it's not a powder steel but right before that they are speaking how great it is for the money (use links in descript)... They open the knife flick it qnd t ll you how great it is after cutting a piece of paper and reminding you to use their links.... You see the common trend here??? Great test and if you ever want to bounce testing ideas off someone that also tests edge retention to build up a database please get in touch with me... Edge retention testing is fun to me and something I spend a lot of my me time on. Again sorry for the long message.
@@EDCandLace Hey Thanks for watching! I enjoyed reading your comment despite it being long. I wish I would have not listened to the super steel hype so much and just tried 8cr much sooner than I did. remember to check the links in my description! LOL JK 🤣
Very impressive job on the test,you were cutting and I was feeling sore from just watching 😂LOL !! Keep up the awesome reviews and I’ll see you in your next amazing adventure!!! Keep them sharp and rust free!!
@@henryg683 thanks Henry. I thought for sure the 8cr13mov would have stopped slicing the paper WAY sooner than it did. Near then end there I was hurting a bit
@@bladecentered2264 I didn't expect it to perform as well as it did at all lol. That's why I picked 8cr for my first filmed cut test because I thought it would easy. Makes me wonder what Magnacut will do. I'm gonna need a lot of sisal rope
Epic result on the humble 8cr13mov, I am not sure if ive really done much high end edge testing on the stuff. Should probably do more!
8cr is talked so poorly about it and the edge retention is perfectly serviceable. If the geometry is good and the heat treat is decent it will surprise you. Couple friends of mine we got together and set up using 8cr, s30v and bd1n (we used golden s30v and bd1n as well as the s30v from seki and their china Byrd line and the Spyderco china models to keep heat treats consistent. I've done this testing 3 times in total over a year-ish having them test to see if they can tell a difference and most couldn't between the knives with very similar blade geometry and the ones that did notice was the s30v Delica and the Byrd wharny meadow lark 2 and was running 13dps edge and of course had the thinnest geometry and that's why there was a noticeable perceived edge retention increase with 3 out of the 5 of my testers saying the meadow lark 2 cut the best and the longest before feeling dull when cutting the other two basically said that the Delica and Byrd wharnys cut the best but they coulsnt tell a difference in what dulled faster. The knives I had them test was all standard Spyderco geometry with the 3ish-mm stock at 17-18thou behind the edge except for the s30v Delica and the wharny meadow lark 2 that of course have much thinner spine thickness with the Delica coming down to about 17thou bte and the Byrd wharnys being about 14thou bte. The Delica and the meadow lark 2 was both sharpened to 13dps while all others was at 17dps. That thinner stock and lower edge angle more than made up for the reduction in edge retention based on steel composition and made the perceived edge retention of the Byrd the longest out of all the knives tested. The bd1n and s30v golden models I used for the test was a base Manix 2 LW and para 3 in bd1n, manix 2 s30v and a pm2 in s30v along with the s30v delica and the china 8cr models was 2x tenacious, efficient, wharny meadow lark 2 and the Harrier 2 wharny. How we did the testing was carry a week or until the knife isn't clean cutting the card board anymore (these 4 guys and 1 girl work in a shipping warehouse) no ceramic rod touch ups and no stropping. They was to call the knife dull once it starts to tear the card board rather than cleanly slicing it. We did this test a couple times with everyone trying each knife the following week. They was dulling out all the knives within 3-4 days but the two with the best geometry was the only two that anyone said their could tell a difference between.
Was a fun test years ago. I need a couple people to do it again but with knives if basically identical geometry, like say the 8cr tenacious and the s30v para 3 same stock and within say 1thou of each other's behind the edge thickness I believe the average user wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference between the two in perceived edge retention even at the same geometry. I believe that people that are really focused on the edge retention would be able to tell a difference but not the average user.
People simply hate on 8cr because of influencers speaking so poorly of it and 8cr having the stigma that it's on cheap crappy china knives and while 10 years ago that WAS the case but today not so much. Remember people those influencers (any of the larger ones, say 30k subs or more) that are speaking of how bad 8cr is and how they wouldn't ever carry it ARENT PAYING FOR THE KNIVES they are getting so it's easy for them to say yeah i wouldnt carry 8cr because i have all these china made knives jn s35vn qnd 20cv so it's super eaay for them to steel snob and try to get you to want that "premium steel" over the "crappy not serviceable china alphabet soup steel" and to click their links. Those guys and girls aren't testing those knives, they are flicking them and saying how great they are to get link clicks .. ide be willing to bet the vast majority of them couldn't tell you the difference between 8cr and s45vn in use of they didn't know what the blade steel was... In testing yes but not in actual use where one is cutting many different medias over a period of time. It's easy to scream oh I won't carry steels like that when you are getting everything free and making money off the links....
Pete and outpost76 are ones that didn't go that route and actually test and not getting everything free and reminding everyone 50 times a video to use their links.
You did this test well and the results are as expected. Decent heat treat quality on 8cr with good geometry and the knife performed extremely well, that's much better than just serviceable edge retention that's plenty of edge retention for 95% of people carrying an EDC knife.
I love my premium steels and exotic steel's as much as anyone BUT I also enjoy the more basic steels as well so long as heat treat is decent and the geometry good in happy.
If you want to know exactly how silly most of the steel snobs are and how much most of the UA-cam knife channals know... Next time they speak so poorly of 8cr and tell you how poor it performs and it's at the very minimum of what they consider serviceable... Next time you hear that (and you will because most of them just repeat what they hear one say that sounds good) ask that person well what do you think about AUS8 and I bet money on it they will say "it's an ok steel I kinda like it" or something to that effect.... When you get that response out of one just giggle to your self and shake your head.
Long post I know and I'm sorry. Just enjoyed the video and the proper testing being done... No unnecessary hate on 8cr and the steel showed that it's a perfectly serviceable edc steel for the vast majority of people.
Remember when all the UA-camrs and people was saying how great "ar-rpm9" was??? And how everyone was calling it powder formed 9cr and it's so great??? Remember that?? I caught hell for saying when it first came out that I don't believe it's a powder steel and that it performs both in use and on the stones exactly like any decently done 8/9cr... Because that's exactly what it performed like but it stropped back better due to the finer micro structure. It tickled me to the core how the couple people that actually test steels and know about them continued to say yeah for the money it's a decent performing steel. after it came out that it was indeed not a powder met steel but rather spray form everyone all the sudden changed and now it's such a terrible steel that doesn't perform great .. the UA-camrs (not all but most) first stated totally retracting what they used to say about it and how great it is (links in descript lol) and then BAM oh it's not a powder met steel??? Nope never mind everything I said before this stuff isn't any good.... To them all that mattered is it's a powder steel that's all, once it was found out that it's just basically 9cr (I told them 2 years ago there's no way it's powder steel and performance is gonna be exactly that of 9cr it's on my ig way back if you want to read the comments lol .. what's sad those is them damning the performance of it after they find out it's not a powder steel but right before that they are speaking how great it is for the money (use links in descript)... They open the knife flick it qnd t ll you how great it is after cutting a piece of paper and reminding you to use their links.... You see the common trend here???
Great test and if you ever want to bounce testing ideas off someone that also tests edge retention to build up a database please get in touch with me... Edge retention testing is fun to me and something I spend a lot of my me time on.
Again sorry for the long message.
@@EDCandLace Hey Thanks for watching! I enjoyed reading your comment despite it being long. I wish I would have not listened to the super steel hype so much and just tried 8cr much sooner than I did.
remember to check the links in my description!
LOL JK 🤣
Very impressive job on the test,you were cutting and I was feeling sore from just watching 😂LOL !! Keep up the awesome reviews and I’ll see you in your next amazing adventure!!! Keep them sharp and rust free!!
@@henryg683 thanks Henry. I thought for sure the 8cr13mov would have stopped slicing the paper WAY sooner than it did. Near then end there I was hurting a bit
Man you put in the work on this one! Definitely surprising results! The palm swell on the handle looks pretty comfortable.
@@bladecentered2264 I didn't expect it to perform as well as it did at all lol. That's why I picked 8cr for my first filmed cut test because I thought it would easy. Makes me wonder what Magnacut will do. I'm gonna need a lot of sisal rope