I have always been baffled by a "restraining order." Yeah, the threat of a low-level misdemeanor is going to keep someone from committing first degree murder? Makes my head hurt.
A restraining order just gives police the right to tell the person to leave if they show up, whereas without one, they are powerless, especially if the person lives there or just stands on public property outside the premises. It depends on the police getting there in time, of course, but that is where most of its power lies. Otherwise, the offender could stand on the road outside the home or visit the other person’s workplace and there’s not much the police could do.
People always say… “Why didn’t they just leave?”Most women who are killed by their partners, are murdered AFTER they leave, or after they take steps to leave.
Stockholm Syndrome. Psychological abuse, controlling and physical power over another. I hope you're not making a case for women to stay as though they will get murdered if they leave, even though that happens too. I don't think that's statistically true. More often occurs in the home. Thus the phrase "Domestic Abuse" was coined for violence in the home. Most times it's not premeditated. The guy just snaps. So restraining orders do not prevent. Stalking and murder after leaving is real though and why many are afraid to leave. Good gosh, just watch "Sleeping with the Enemy" (Julia Roberts)
What happened to this woman is terrible, period. I don’t think there is enough data to extrapolate this case to the broader issue of what gender gets custody in a marriage that unfortunately fails. A woman in Florida (allegedly) assassinated her ex husband, so she could get custody and her brother is now serving life-that doesn’t tell us anything about women in failed marriages as a whole. This man was a manipulative murderer. This woman, despite it all, cared enough for *him and her children* to get the restraining order. May she RIP 😞
because he cares only for himself. the wife did not even "know" him apparently. Is she knew what kind of a guy he was before getting married to him, she would have stayed far far away from him.
@@brettcantrell8650 alot of wahines I know......always tell me long after they are married and FINALLY SEE how the oldman is, their words "oh well, im married to him....thats how he is...." You wahines should not be afraid and just cuz he buys you dinner, flowers, box of chocolates, jewelry, you start falling for him........I seen many couples and young families where the kids nag about things and the dad SCREAMS and SWEARS at the kids.......broh, you HAD the choice of wearing rubbers before having s-x and being daddy......
I didn't tell my ex I was divorcing him. It was daily life as usual. I knew where he hid his guns and I took them to the Police Station on the day I left. I told the cops I was divorcing my husband. They took the guns and told me I was saving a life. In addition, I prayed a lot. In fact every time he would leave the house I would fall on my knees and pray to God for direction. I had saved up my money and got my own apartment fully furnished. The day I made my move I went to our son's school and picked him up early. I was long gone and he was served with divorce papers. He didn't even see it coming. I give all the glory to God for giving me guidance and direction to get out! Domestic violence is no joke. Don't ever tell a man you are leaving him. Make a plan of escape and stick to it. Even if you have to move to another State. Prayers to this young woman's family. And praying for women and some men who are caught up in domestic violence right now.
Mary men will now have to learn the hard way that's why we're living in a time right now where men think they own their woman and that the old saying goes if I can't have you no one else will also this might explain the reason why men don't want to go get counseling suffice it to say like if it doesn't work and I assume whatever insurance you have doesn't cover it, also men don't want to talk about their problems they feel like it's going to make them more angry. Also to add one more thing it seems like the breakup and divorce leaves men broken.
The trauma and the therapy and support this little girl is going to need is beyond what any 8 yr old should have to bear. Praying that she finds peace and will have the encouragement she will need in her life.
Not necessarily, I think he was beyond that point of wanting to be with another woman. He just didn’t want anyone else to have her. If he can’t, then no one else can. Selfish coward.
@@madisonvanessaroccoa-teller well they will certainly allow it over placing a child in foster care. The system is incredibly overcrowded that they attempt to reunify children with family members before placing them in foster care. I used to work for the system
This is exactly what happened when I went through a divorce. I filed for divorce due to domestic violence. My attorney had to push hard for a restraining order and even still the judge granted him visitation. He became violent towards the children because I never took them to visitation. I had a 3rd party show up with the kids. He would ask where I was and why I didn’t bring them. He eventually figured I wasn’t going to show up and stopped seeing the kids. I was one of the lucky ones.
The video footage of one of her daughters crying just breaks my heart. I hope her children recover from this traumatic event. God, please protect them🙏✝
For the attorney to say he never saw this coming is ridiculous. This is usually the way these spousal abuse cases go. The minute she filed the restraining order she was doomed. Restraining orders do not work, men who are controlling and abusive don’t care about a piece of paper. This is heart breaking for her family and friends.
You right a police officer told me once is just a piece of paper by the time we get here it might be to late. Since that they forward I decided to take action an not depend on police.
@@azicepricess if things are at that point, women need to take it seriously and take matters into their own hands as if their life depended on it. and it does. we don't think it'll go that far but unfortunately women are murdered by their parents all the time. her husband probably showed signs of abusive and control long before he killed her. police can only do so much. that poor baby girl.
... One of the saddest and most upsetting domestic abuse stories I've heard lately. Hearing the words of that poor, baby girl crying for her mother after what she witnessed was unbearable. Lord Jesus, PLEASE protect this girl. I can't imagine what awaits her now. She must feel like she's lost everything. This is just too, awful for words
My deepest heartfelt condolences to her family and especially to their daughter! May the little girl and her grandmother have all the support they need to see them through this terrible tragedy!
I forgot my condolences in my post. I cannot imagine what that little girl will need throughout her life after witnessing this.😢 We want to protect them from all the bad in the world. I'm so sorry for the loss of a beautiful soul.
That guy is a monster. That poor baby. It just breaks my heart. These men use visitation with their children as an opportunity to punish their partners for daring to leave. He obviously doesn’t care about his child if he could do this heinous act in front of her. Abusers should never be granted unsupervised visitation.
A woman in a relationship isn't always perfect/sane/angel that does no wrong, but often they're treated like so by the society,legal system and the media. Which leaves her partner guilty of anything and everything and one can only go on like this for so long until one day they had enough and finally snap.
@@user-jv4wh7fi9j you are literally blaming her for him killing her. Literally. Let’s say she wasn’t an angel. What could she have done to excuse him of killing her. And to do it in front of a child. These men do not just snap. He’s been abusing her which is why she filed for the restraining order. Threatening suicide is a form of abuse and really common tactic if you know anything about domestic violence. Even when the woman is literally murdered, people somehow find a reason to blame them for getting killed. This type of misconception perpetuates abuse.
@@user-jv4wh7fi9jyou're a real POS, your ex clearly seen the light with you and knew to get out and you still blame them and every other woman that chooses life over misery. You don't own your partner, they are as free as you are to walk. Get a grip wasteman
@@user-jv4wh7fi9j it's people like you who make excuses for the perpetrators and blame the victims that make it so difficult to escape situations like this! He IS guilty he murdered her! You are sick and you need to be kept away from society if you think anything she could have possibly done deserves her being murdered!
It really is better to stay single and unmarried nowadays, especially if you’re in the US. The amount of spousal murders and murder suicide are insane.
@LotusFlowerslove he clearly didn't love the kids enough to not annihilate the mom. I am seeing a pattern, men who annihilate the mothers of their children don't love or like the children. They only like the children if they still love the mothers of their children.
@@LotusFlowersloveyou are mentally sick. No one has the right to take anyone else’s life especially if the other person just wants to leave a relationship… so how does wanting to leave makes her the culprit?
That despicable lawyer and useless judge should both resign in shame. They both just assisted in getting a woman killed in front of her child. Let this be an unfortunate lesson for every other lawyer and judge out there handling custody cases as it relates to domestic violence. Goodness this is so upsetting!! Praying for that poor child and her loved ones.
He "Never" thought it would happen?!!! How? Unfortunately, this is textbook behavior for domestic violence! So many victims seek help and protection and they are constantly being failed. PLEASE arrange for her daughter to receive psychological therapy! Otherwise she will experience and develop mental health issues (PTSD, paranoia, IED, bi-polar, chronic depression, self-mutalation, etc) or become suicidal.
kook, the family agreed to all this, this is video from our local kine stations, all of it. u gun-addicted mainland kooks are far diff.. this is rare in Hawaii, thus why it national news now
Stop telling abused women to get restraining orders. Courts often force this as a first step. It can and often does escalate abuse and gives a false sense of security. All it does it make a woman feel safer when in actuality she is not. That child is forever traumatized and now is an orphan because our system failed her and her mother.
Completely delusional and out of touch lawyer. This behavior is textbook manipulative behavior. A never ending abusive cycle. Reconciliation should have never been an option. The system failed her and her kids and that lawyer needs to retire.
He's just saying that because what else would you expect his lawyer to say? "All the signs were there, I just ignored them"? Yes, actually. Professional accountability would be refreshing, tbh 🤔
I think a lot of lawyers and even counselors are ignorant of narcissistic personality disorder. Our counselor and my ex-inlaws (probably also narcs) always pointed the finger to me, and I gladly sought to correct myself. My ex had everyone fooled, even the counselor whom I really trusted.
That lawyer saying he never saw this coming annoyed my spirit. This is why I quit family law. The many times I would tell male lawyers about their male clients' threats against my clients AND ME just to be ignored or told I was being dramatic are too numerous to count. Instead of identifying the most amicable solution, they often fuel the flames of discord amongst the parties for more money. Threats of killing oneself over a break-up should not be taken lightly. Maybe if they stopped dismissing obvious signs of instability and violent behavior, they'd be able to intervene. I don't know. But saying you never saw this coming should be a wake-up call to the type of behavior you ignore or dismiss.
My lawyer said she had lost a previous client to an abusive ex husband. That being said, the judge still did not take us seriously. A woman in the DV support group I joined was killed. My ex was not recommended to have unsupervised visits with the kids after a court ordered psych exam and the judge gave him it anyways (despite him being homeless). I used to think the horror stories were the exception. I think …. Sometimes it works out. My kids and I are still here…. So that’s good. But, we need some huge reform. I’m so sorry for this little girl, mother and family. That man most certainly did need the help she wanted him to get.
@francinesanchez5402 you are absolutely correct that reform is needed. I often say family law is the most vile, insidious practice I've ever witnessed. The amount of manipulation, plotting, and entrapment that occurs is astronomical. Attorneys even do it to each other. It gets very nasty. I once had to represent a client (my boss didn't want to deal with him but still wanted the money) who was bold enough to threaten his estranged wife IN COURT during the hearing. There was no controlling him, but the judge yelled at me from the bench to get control of my client. It was crazy. When I told him to stop the threats and behave appropriately, he threatened me! And then the judge threatened to hold ME in contempt of court since I couldn't "control" him. What are the bailiffs there for? I felt like I was in the twilight zone. I demanded that my boss either take back over his case or terminate his representation due to his threats. He made a joke that it wasn't much money anyway and terminated representation. So many things wrong with the legal system.
Not disagreeing with the OP's post, although if we are concerned about Safety and Justice and Truth then let us mean that for ALL individuals. Let's not make this a Male Bad / Women Innocent point. Domestic Violence is a serious issue and women are NOT guilt-free from doling out abuse as well. The most extreme violence is meted out by men, but various forms of abuse are perpetrated by wives upon husbands as well as mothers upon their children. To any extent that the legal system has blind spots, sexism, and basically support of injustice towards women AND men, then can't we all here agree that reforms need to occur? ( The "Manosphere" has legitimate gripes over injustices they experienced after divorce, for example, regarding favoritism towards their ex-wives. Don't mock their pain, just as women ought not to be mocked over their pain and traumas experienced in their previous marriages. )
All women: Move in silence. Do NOT announce that you want a divorce or you intend to exit an abusive relationship. Take yourself and your family and leave ASAP. Leave all material possessions behind since they can always be replaced. You can never replace your life. Plan your exit and stay gone forever. Stay safe. ❤
Restraining orders don't stop anyone on a mission. But a Bullet will. I whole heartedly believe in protecting yourself My heart goes out to this family. I pray peace over this family especially the child who lost both parents.
I say this all the time, RESTRAINING ORDERS, do not work, we women have to learn to protect ourselves, I keep going back to that Movie with JENNIFER LOPEZ, "ENOUGH " we have to train ourselves and prepare, these abusers do not stop.
@@FaithAndLoveFaithAndLove I've never met a person that could keep their mask from slipping after a certain period of time. Not one. But if you rush into things you can be fooled by these monsters because they don't have to keep up the Masquerade for very long, just long enough to get you to the alter. If a man or woman claims to be in love with you after knowing you for a short period of time, RUN. IF they're talking about marriage. RUN FASTER. I honestly believe that men and women who rush into relationships/marriages are instantly SUS. My first questions are: What you hiding and what is the hurry? The answers are.. Things you would have seen IF you had waited and paid attention....JUST WAIT & The Masque Will Slip. The whole purpose for rushing you into marriage is that women & men will try to stick with the monster just because they're married. Before you know it, it's too late. Whereas if they're just dating, they'll dump the creep at the first sight of bs and that's why rushing into marriage is so important...they know they can't keep up the Masquerade and they know you will stay longer if they marry you and kids are just another tool. Be safe. Take your time, Watch & LISTEN.
It makes no sense to grant visitation to a person thats considered dangerous . My heart goes out to the family. That poor little girl had to witness her dad killing her mother. He doesn't realize the pain he caused the child.
One should never be with a woman who makes you want to take your own life. But sometimes a man might take such person first before themselves. Ultimately, the children pay the price for being with such people.
@@user-jv4wh7fi9j One should never give ANYONE the power to control their emotional or mental state of being. One should always be mature enough to understand that NO ONE is responsible for their happiness but them. One should also be aware that only they are responsible for their actions and that includes the taking of their life and the lives of others. If one is the type to blame everyone for their BS they are maladjusted and should seek help to resolve their inability to grow TF up and own their 💩. and do not seek relationships until they've resolved their issues of blaming people as opposed to taking responsibility For their OWN LIFE. Bottom line-Marriage is for WELL ADJUSTED AND MATURE MEN & WOMEN. If you have not reached that point in your life-Do NOT waste someone's(Who has reached that place) time, do not reproduce, and do not blame others for your lack of maturity and mental stability. MOVE ON!
Quit asking people experiencing domestic abuse and violence to get restraining orders! They should be considered an option, not a requirement to prove you're serious about leaving an abusive relationship! My ex nearly killed me just for filing for divorce! I'm sure he would have if I'd had him served like a "criminal". Calling the police led to accusations of trying to get him fired, among other things. The person inside the relationship knows the abuser best and can usually tell you what support or resources they'd need to get out. Unless you're willing to provide those support services or a full-time body guard, don't tell anyone they "need" or "have to" get a restraining order for protection. That order doesn't do anything to actually protect you.
This is the reason I won't get married! When I say that people think I'm crazy but look at all these crazy news and trust me it's so much worse in the middle east, women are killed every minute.
I have been through this myself, thank the Lord I was not killed. You think, oh not me, he wouldn’t do that. You NEVER know what is going on in someone else’s mind. If there are signs get out. Separate yourself from the situation. Time and space going some where that he does not know where you are. That’s what you have to do. My heart breaks for her daughter and family. I pray for your peace and Gods comfort in the years to come. ❤
@@rickhammond2473 💀 Is this the '90s or early 2000s? Women have their own money today. You should be aware of that. If they're smart enough to stay away from you and ones like you it's because of your demonic personality and actions NOT because of the state of your bank account. I've been asked for money by random men numerous times. I've never asked any random person for anything. Take responsibility and accountability.
What a sick world that we live in. This woman’s life was taken away, and this dude traumatized his own children by letting them watch, and endure this. Absolutely sickening. My deepest condolences to her family.
I am SO TIRED of hearing of men killing their current or former partners. This just happened to my friends sister in my city. She left him because of abuse, met a few days before Christmas to discuss what to do with the 3 kids they have for the holidays, he kidnapped her and was missing for days until he was arrested 4 states away. She is most likely dead and he won't tell where her body is. Kids have no one on Christmas. I barely survived leaving my relationship, i was stalked for years. Why do these men feel like they own women and children?? Why not just separate and be normal? This is literally an epidemic and nothing is ever done but protective orders which do NOTHING to help!!
The thing to do to avoid these kinds of scenarios is to be cooperative, a quality that many women severely lack in the West. If you want the best outcome for the kids, its best to be cooperative as parents and not be uncooperative which may lead to unnecessary violence. Everything happens for a reason and in this case, she did something to that man (which we don’t know) that triggered this event. Also, the police are not supposed to be your Heros wearing capes.
@@Princetonian4eva Your feelings and emotions have nothing to do with the talking points at hand. And by the way, i couldn’t care less about this instagram thot that got murdered. I will reiterate what i said in my previous comment, the police are not supposed to be your Heros and will never be. You either cooperate or face the possibility of similar consequences. Femcel.
Omg he traumatized his own daughter by killing his wife in front of their daughter!!! Horrible, this little girl is going to need a life time of therapy. The little girl crying is so sad 😢.
they never do enough to protect these women and their children, and this happens over and over. it makes me so angry. my heart is with her family and children.
That’s what happens when men are given more rights and prioritized over everyone else in the country and are constantly excused for insane and illegal actions. So sick of it.
@co9713 The problem with the world is there are a whole bunch of stupid people out there and they need help… Don’t you wish they listen to you? Not happening , it is what it is.. Everyone want this world to change.. People only change for the worst.. Who is right and who is wrong? Everyone point finger at each other.. We are all imperfect human being we need God… Many people will tell you they don’t believe in God. Not believing in God meaning There will be lawlessness.. Now the world become lawlessness… And everyone wonder why this world is crazy… But no worry, there is still hope.. God is the creator of all things. He will return and wipe away all evil and happiness will be restore.. You angry? You can only find peace in the Lord above.
No women on this planet should feel entitled to protection by any stranger roaming around the streets. And the police are not supposed to be your ‘Heros’ to save the day when something goes wrong. If you want to feel safe going out seek a good man and know your place in your relationship, simple.
@@xAmiin where is this "good man" that you're talking about? society needs to stop telling women that they should date men, because all men are sexist.
Currently separated from my husband after experiencing both domestic abuse and serving him not one but two restraining orders. Dont let anyone make you feel guilty for how long it took for you to see true colors, just leave as soon as you do!!! Rip to this young lady 💔
This is why police NEED to listen. More often than not dv victims are penalised or treated like they are criminals (speaking from experience) rather than the party who is guilty of abuse. It is horrendous and this poor girl will now have to live with the fact that her mother is gone
Parental rights trump children’s right. Men’s rights group have been advocating for 50/50 custody and most courts will move towards that even if the man had a history of abusing the mother. They assume that just because abused her, doesn’t mean that he abuses the children which is just not true at all.
The courts should absolutely give fathers the time to visit their kids and should be a form of basic right. Since the fathers are the ones paying child support the majority of the time, then they should be able to see their kids, regardless of their history. Men are human beings not uncontrollable monsters.
@@xAmiinWell, this guy proved your theory wrong. Anyone who has a history of abuse should NOT be granted unsupervised visitation. How many have murdered their ex-spouses/partners AND children? How many more will it take for the penny to drop? And if we’re talking about “majority of the time” it is also these same men that move on to abusing or abandoning their children when they don’t have access to the mother. The story earlier this year of the man that killed his baby daughter on camera to punish the mother is proof that you’re talking nonsense. Child support is an obligation for participating in bringing a child into the world one is not actively taking care of full time. That does NOT grant access privileges. It’s so the state doesn’t have to pay for someone else’s obligations.
So selfish of this coward to take the life of this beautiful woman but to also take the mother of his daughter and leave her with no parents is so sad.
@@IDONTGIVEAF-ew6bw Don't fake the protection if the restraining order can't protect any one but is to create the financial advantages to strip another one out. I am a woman.
We have seen this same tragedy far too many times. My suggestion: If you arrive at the conclusion that a restraining order is needed, take the next important step immediately and begin making plans to fully protect yourself and children against possible scenarios where you could be harmed by the other person. Take precautions even though these may be costly and/or inconvenient, at least on a temporary basis. This provides the time necessary to observe the behavior of the person who is the threat to determine the level of risk of an attack. Filing a Restraining Order can be a 'trigger', and this must be fully considered. As the song says, "There must be 50 ways to leave your lover". Choose wisely.
sounds easy? its not. even if you carry if they want to hurt you they will.; narc rage. she needs hide for a while. having a child complicates things. sad when others blame the victim. im sure he never grew up being told no. immature and vindictive
Restraining orders only apply from a legal standpoint if the person being retrained steps over it. Its useless until then because it doesn't do anything. Also as the saying goes "the more fool proof you make it, the smarter the fool becomes". I dont think you're wrong at all, I do think its something to consider if you are getting a restraining order but also if you plan to get one. Talk with a lawyer and make sure you really understand what it does and when it applies. At the same time as you see in the story, it didn't take very long for that line to be stepped over. So even if you had preparations, they may do nothing. It is still important to choose who you date and marry because so often people do say "well there was no signs", that can be a toss of the coin. Signs could have been there but they were ignored for the first 3 months. People are just so casual about relationships that they dont consider who they date. Many just dont want to be alone and they'll be casual. Then we can consider how they live their lifestyle and that impacts who you attract. Some people are very good actors and I say that as someone who has a former sister in-law who ended up as a complete psycho.
In Iceland, when a restraining order is granted a monitor is placed on the alleged perpetrator. If he comes within a certain number of feet from the victim’s home or workplace, the cops are notified and the perp is immediately picked up. Because of this law, these types of murders are non existent.
More needs to be done about domestic violence, this is not the first incident this year let’s not forget the girl that was murdered by her boyfriend at Mililani high school because she was trying to leave him or the young girl who had acid thrown on her at 24hr fitness by her ex boyfriend, its disgusting how these men treat women
Women need to stop chasing bad boys. More often than not women get themselves involved with toxic men they know are not good for them but women have no idea how to pick good men these days. This is why I admire other cultures who have the parents take a more active role in picking a husband/wife for their children. American dating culture is toxic.
@@lauralarrabee7870U are correct! Learn as many ways to defend yourself as possible. All a restraining order can do is give the nut a paper cut! Get training in weapons, martial arts, boxing--as much as possible. Also--check out anyone you're dating. U never know what u may find! Hopefully u will never need to use these skills. But--if u DO-- don't hesitate--protect yourself! Worked for me.
Ladies, make exit plans the first time anything weird happens. And don't tell people about it because he will somehow find out. Leave QUIET. We have no obligation to take care of these grown men. We need to keep ourselves and our children safe.
Then men should have to do the same thing to women Because women showed these attributes more than any man has ever has.. I would not ever make a such hypocritical And contradicting And condescending And absurd statement as you has. To me this is a tragedy This shows of a woman who is irresponsible and does not like being hold accountable and thinks relationships or morally. Marriage is just a game and that she can leave. Whenever she wants, That she'll take the Finances and the goodies of the husband but then don't take the husband.. more importantly, she think it's a Game or Burden or A job or just to make money. She doesn't want to accept The hard work that comes with achieving those things.. But more importantly She does not want to accept marriage but yet being married. To accept the goodies of marriage, so she don't have to work for the hard things in life. And Don't accept the special things And responsibility about marriage. That makes it special because. Whether If it The consequences of her own actions or What she has been taught all her life By the world and. her mother's and grandmother's to be an independent. Strong Woman who rebellious against her husband and constantly Motionally neglectomore or abuse them. And think that their never be no consequences. For their own actions. And marriage completely destroys this delusion that the world has made.. And she does not want to accept That. it's not okay for her to Rebelling Or have any responsibility for her husband. Or it's Not okay to hurt or abuse or neglect her husband. Especially when the world makes her feel better And more comfortable About her neglect for an abuse. Because hes just a soulless tree that she can take money off of whenever she wants.. But marriage makes her. needs to Be dependence trueful and Faithful cearing and humble and quiet and meek. to her husband. fulfill and help him his needs. As the husband should do the same. Her But she has to realize that it's not just about her. It's about him and he has a soul. And it's not just some game where she can take advantage of her husband and not have any consequences from it and can leave whenever she wants. marriage breaks the delusion that men are Souless trees that they can just Take money off of whenever they want. And leave to rot. I'm only talking about women. In general, Trust me if this was in reverse, everybody would be sympathizing with her.. Rather than condemning her
“Just leave him & get a restraining order “ she did, and this happened. I’m sorry but every time this happens, that’s all I can think about, how often stupid men say that she should just leave him and get a restraining order or like that’s not the most dangerous thing to do in the situation. Women in these situations need protection and we as a society need to be better about offering it. And men need to stop making excuses for stupid abusive men, and hold them accountable and protect women.
The gender aspect in this situations is soooo hard to discuss or understand because if we go back, the question is, who are raising these men?.... We, women 🤷🏻♀️ so, I guess the world just went crazy because it doesn't matter who raise these monsters or what they're taught, men and women are hurting each other all the time 😢
My heart breaks for her loved ones. For her children and her mother - Lord, please grant them peace, healing and endless support during this horrific tragedy. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I’ve been working in family law for decades and I will never understand this need for ultimate control some people have. This man gave absolutely no thought to what this would do to his child. I feel so bad for this little girl. I hope her family gets her into therapy. 😢
I don't understand it either . But I also don't understand women and men that get married , want benefits of marriage ( car, money ,stability, emotional care, ect) but still want to be bimbos on the weekend , party , have male and female friends that are bad influence on building a solid healthy family nucleaus. People dont know what marriage is. This guy is a criminal, sick and there is no excuse.
Thats terrible, I cant imagine being that young and seeing that kind of thing happen to my mom right in front of me. I pray that this event hasn't changed her life trajectory and her life is full of positivity and happiness in the future.
This has nothing to do with the country. I guarantee he was like this from day one and she ignored the hundreds of red flags until it was too late. Not to mention why would you ever have a child with someone who has all these issues. The lesson is that if you see the red flags at the start you need to run.
My daughter dated someone in high school whose father committed murder/suicide in front of him and his little sister when they were young. They never got over it and he could never sustain normal relationships. My daughter found out he cheated on her so she broke up with him. I never felt animosity towards him but he needed more therapy than he and his baby sister received. His sister is doing much better. I just wish the mothers would take the children and leave before tragedy occurs. I did with my 3.
She did leave. Most women are killed when they leave, or shortly thereafter, and visitation is a common way to force contact after she leaves. Glad you were able to get away with your kids, but not everyone does, and it's not their fault. It is the fault of the one who does the murdering, not the one who is murdered.
@@CreaticityIsLife I agree with you and I’m sorry you thought I was blaming the mother. It absolutely is the fault of the murderer, this was so tragic.
I'm telling you, growing up in Hawai'i, a whole lot of Hawaiians get mad jealous and controlling of their significant others. More-so, the men. They freak out and lose it. I'm not saying that all of us are like that but I've seen it TOO MANY times there. It's sad.
I have always been baffled by a "restraining order." Yeah, the threat of a low-level misdemeanor is going to keep someone from committing first degree murder? Makes my head hurt.
& Adds fuel to their fire if they have invested decent money in their 2nd amendment right.
An abuser won't allow a victim to "control them"
restraining orders can be for many things, not just to prevent murder.
@@Zachf7775 they always want to murder or harm the person with the order
Restraining order is just a piece of paper !
A restraining order just gives police the right to tell the person to leave if they show up, whereas without one, they are powerless, especially if the person lives there or just stands on public property outside the premises. It depends on the police getting there in time, of course, but that is where most of its power lies. Otherwise, the offender could stand on the road outside the home or visit the other person’s workplace and there’s not much the police could do.
People always say… “Why didn’t they just leave?”Most women who are killed by their partners, are murdered AFTER they leave, or after they take steps to leave.
Exactly.
Those are the people who have no clue and really don't care, as long as it doesn't affect them.
@@nancyenkelmann4552 Yup. Exactly.
Stockholm Syndrome. Psychological abuse, controlling and physical power over another. I hope you're not making a case for women to stay as though they will get murdered if they leave, even though that happens too. I don't think that's statistically true. More often occurs in the home. Thus the phrase "Domestic Abuse" was coined for violence in the home. Most times it's not premeditated. The guy just snaps. So restraining orders do not prevent. Stalking and murder after leaving is real though and why many are afraid to leave. Good gosh, just watch "Sleeping with the Enemy" (Julia Roberts)
So true. Men are control freak babies. Parents need to stop coddling sons
What an absolute coward. He left his daughter without her mom.
They don’t care about their kids.
He never loved them
sadly this happen. but I'm glad the kid is safe. I wish the mother was still alive, I pray God heal this family.. @@sonyab2u974
She lost both parents that day. I hope Grandma and other relatives will be there for her. My heart goes out to them all.
a cousin who's really close with the mom has taken guardianship and willingly stepped up to raise her cousin's kids.
She lost one parent that day. The other was a cruel and heartless sperm donor.
Clearly he didn't care about his daughter. Men complaining about custody is sometimes not the issue. He hated her more than he loved his own daughter.
he didn't care about anyone. must be a druggie for sure.
Never underestimate the Power of Hate.🤓🤙
he was awarded joint custody so that wasn't the issue. its rare for courts to not allow custody.
What happened to this woman is terrible, period. I don’t think there is enough data to extrapolate this case to the broader issue of what gender gets custody in a marriage that unfortunately fails. A woman in Florida (allegedly) assassinated her ex husband, so she could get custody and her brother is now serving life-that doesn’t tell us anything about women in failed marriages as a whole. This man was a manipulative murderer. This woman, despite it all, cared enough for *him and her children* to get the restraining order. May she RIP 😞
Amen. Again, it’s about exercising control and manipulation with “fathers” like him.
How could he do this in front of the baby! Unbelievable!
because he cares only for himself. the wife did not even "know" him apparently. Is she knew what kind of a guy he was before getting married to him, she would have stayed far far away from him.
@@brettcantrell8650 I agree. How long do you think it takes to "know" a person or at least get a good sense of them?
It takes 50 years to really know..
@@brettcantrell8650 alot of wahines I know......always tell me long after they are married and FINALLY SEE how the oldman is, their words "oh well, im married to him....thats how he is...." You wahines should not be afraid and just cuz he buys you dinner, flowers, box of chocolates, jewelry, you start falling for him........I seen many couples and young families where the kids nag about things and the dad SCREAMS and SWEARS at the kids.......broh, you HAD the choice of wearing rubbers before having s-x and being daddy......
@@32dramaqueen You never know who you married until you file for divorce.
Poor baby, it hurts to hear her sobbing for her mom. Please God hold this family in your arms they need you! Such a horrible tragedy 😢
My god, to do that in front of their kid is horrifying and about as psychopathic as it gets.
I didn't tell my ex I was divorcing him. It was daily life as usual. I knew where he hid his guns and I took them to the Police Station on the day I left. I told the cops I was divorcing my husband. They took the guns and told me I was saving a life. In addition, I prayed a lot. In fact every time he would leave the house I would fall on my knees and pray to God for direction. I had saved up my money and got my own apartment fully furnished. The day I made my move I went to our son's school and picked him up early. I was long gone and he was served with divorce papers. He didn't even see it coming. I give all the glory to God for giving me guidance and direction to get out! Domestic violence is no joke. Don't ever tell a man you are leaving him. Make a plan of escape and stick to it. Even if you have to move to another State. Prayers to this young woman's family. And praying for women and some men who are caught up in domestic violence right now.
Mary men will now have to learn the hard way that's why we're living in a time right now where men think they own their woman and that the old saying goes if I can't have you no one else will also this might explain the reason why men don't want to go get counseling suffice it to say like if it doesn't work and I assume whatever insurance you have doesn't cover it, also men don't want to talk about their problems they feel like it's going to make them more angry. Also to add one more thing it seems like the breakup and divorce leaves men broken.
I’m so glad you made it out. You really have to make a plan and leave quietly. It’s so dangerous.
The same applies to violent females!
BLESS YOUR HEART❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank God you got out 🙏🏽.
The trauma and the therapy and support this little girl is going to need is beyond what any 8 yr old should have to bear. Praying that she finds peace and will have the encouragement she will need in her life.
no councilling will help them,
kids in palestine are seeing this daily.
@@yorksfolly1255😢
May God protect all children.
@user-kx4hi9uf2n so sad 😭😭
@@hazelmint6671There is no god !!! a take a look around at the world , the torture, the abuse etc etc 🙄
He knew he couldn’t get nothing like that beautiful woman again
R.I.P 🙏
Exactly
Beauty is vane and fleeting. It's not the be all end all.
Not necessarily, I think he was beyond that point of wanting to be with another woman. He just didn’t want anyone else to have her. If he can’t, then no one else can. Selfish coward.
The most dangerous time for an abused person is when she is trying to get away from him.
Poor child is traumatized. Hope she stays out of foster care and has family to care for her and love her.
Why would she go into foster care? Clearly, she has her grandmother
@@sharonharris9782courts may not even allow the grandmother custody.
@@madisonvanessaroccoa-teller well they will certainly allow it over placing a child in foster care. The system is incredibly overcrowded that they attempt to reunify children with family members before placing them in foster care. I used to work for the system
@@sharonharris9782 okay
@@sharonharris9782 some kids aren’t that lucky. The system is awful. No need for her to be revictimized a second time.
This is exactly what happened when I went through a divorce. I filed for divorce due to domestic violence. My attorney had to push hard for a restraining order and even still the judge granted him visitation. He became violent towards the children because I never took them to visitation. I had a 3rd party show up with the kids. He would ask where I was and why I didn’t bring them. He eventually figured I wasn’t going to show up and stopped seeing the kids. I was one of the lucky ones.
😮❤️
Yes you were
Ok but dont paint yourself as a saint . You had to had done something to cause him to act that way . Maybe stop flirting with other men.
@@sugarhilllo9914 hello troll 🥰 I’m sure you’re seeking attention so here you go! I hope you have the most amazing day 🌼
@@sugarhilllo9914oh wow we have one of Satan little minions, not today. I bet you were there too whispered in her husband ear.
Single life is looking better and better when I hear stories like these, which are often. RIP sweetie.
I can’t imagine finding someone to share my life with and then treat them in such a manner.
The video footage of one of her daughters crying just breaks my heart.
I hope her children recover from this traumatic event. God, please protect them🙏✝
They will never recover from this.
Agree. They are scarred for life! Why don't these monsters ever think of their children? How can they leave their own children motherless?
No todos los días ves a alguien cometer sin motivo alguno, malditos estafadores.
God doesn't exist.
@@ericw6923 _"God doesn't exist."_
*"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."* Psalm 14:1
For the attorney to say he never saw this coming is ridiculous. This is usually the way these spousal abuse cases go. The minute she filed the restraining order she was doomed. Restraining orders do not work, men who are controlling and abusive don’t care about a piece of paper. This is heart breaking for her family and friends.
That attorney is a gold digger.
You right a police officer told me once is just a piece of paper by the time we get here it might be to late. Since that they forward I decided to take action an not depend on police.
Better to remain single. You'll be better off in a million ways than being committed to a pos like this
True restraining order do not work!!
@@azicepricess if things are at that point, women need to take it seriously and take matters into their own hands as if their life depended on it. and it does. we don't think it'll go that far but unfortunately women are murdered by their parents all the time. her husband probably showed signs of abusive and control long before he killed her. police can only do so much. that poor baby girl.
Poor little sweet child. Breaks my heart to see her cry and have to witness her mother being killed. So so sad.....
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One of the saddest and most upsetting domestic abuse stories I've heard lately. Hearing the words of that poor, baby girl crying for her mother after what she witnessed was unbearable. Lord Jesus, PLEASE protect this girl. I can't imagine what awaits her now. She must feel like she's lost everything. This is just too, awful for words
My deepest heartfelt condolences to her family and especially to their daughter! May the little girl and her grandmother have all the support they need to see them through this terrible tragedy!
Oh please. Women need to learn their place.
She and her family are the real victims of fake protection.
She married a sucker
I forgot my condolences in my post. I cannot imagine what that little girl will need throughout her life after witnessing this.😢 We want to protect them from all the bad in the world. I'm so sorry for the loss of a beautiful soul.
@@ladyliberty5771
I protected them by not having them.
That guy is a monster. That poor baby. It just breaks my heart. These men use visitation with their children as an opportunity to punish their partners for daring to leave. He obviously doesn’t care about his child if he could do this heinous act in front of her. Abusers should never be granted unsupervised visitation.
Went through this twice but was never married. Two different children.
A woman in a relationship isn't always perfect/sane/angel that does no wrong, but often they're treated like so by the society,legal system and the media. Which leaves her partner guilty of anything and everything and one can only go on like this for so long until one day they had enough and finally snap.
@@user-jv4wh7fi9j you are literally blaming her for him killing her. Literally. Let’s say she wasn’t an angel. What could she have done to excuse him of killing her. And to do it in front of a child. These men do not just snap. He’s been abusing her which is why she filed for the restraining order. Threatening suicide is a form of abuse and really common tactic if you know anything about domestic violence. Even when the woman is literally murdered, people somehow find a reason to blame them for getting killed. This type of misconception perpetuates abuse.
@@user-jv4wh7fi9jyou're a real POS, your ex clearly seen the light with you and knew to get out and you still blame them and every other woman that chooses life over misery. You don't own your partner, they are as free as you are to walk. Get a grip wasteman
@@user-jv4wh7fi9j it's people like you who make excuses for the perpetrators and blame the victims that make it so difficult to escape situations like this! He IS guilty he murdered her! You are sick and you need to be kept away from society if you think anything she could have possibly done deserves her being murdered!
I can't believe you did that to that little girl, you shot and killed her mother right in front of her.
It really is better to stay single and unmarried nowadays, especially if you’re in the US. The amount of spousal murders and murder suicide are insane.
Naw we gone get passports and Bounce 🏀
Fr
Bye! You're not going to someone elses country and doing their women in. You can bet your last food stamp on that DUSTY! @@robertmarley8852
Especially recently
@@robertmarley8852 the husband murdered her not the other way around.
This little girls life has absolutely been devastated prayers and condolences to the families❤🙏
Devastated and greatly traumatized too.
Also the man's family.
@@LotusFlowerslovefor what exactly? Imagine siding with a KILLER
@LotusFlowerslove he clearly didn't love the kids enough to not annihilate the mom. I am seeing a pattern, men who annihilate the mothers of their children don't love or like the children. They only like the children if they still love the mothers of their children.
@@LotusFlowersloveyou are mentally sick. No one has the right to take anyone else’s life especially if the other person just wants to leave a relationship… so how does wanting to leave makes her the culprit?
That despicable lawyer and useless judge should both resign in shame. They both just assisted in getting a woman killed in front of her child. Let this be an unfortunate lesson for every other lawyer and judge out there handling custody cases as it relates to domestic violence. Goodness this is so upsetting!! Praying for that poor child and her loved ones.
How disgusting are you to not only film, but air that clip of that poor child sobbing because she just lost her mom?! Absolutely disgusting
Poor baby wanting her mommy. So sad. What a coward. May she rest peacefully❤
the coward probably now has a leash and walks on 4s....
@@Waynes-xt9gr I hope so👹👺
The baby wants the mom and the dad.
@@annan7728well they definitely not crying for the dad and I understand that because hence the restraining order to keep them safe.
@@nadine4634 Why didn't keep her safe but kept the baby safe?
He "Never" thought it would happen?!!! How? Unfortunately, this is textbook behavior for domestic violence! So many victims seek help and protection and they are constantly being failed. PLEASE arrange for her daughter to receive psychological therapy! Otherwise she will experience and develop mental health issues (PTSD, paranoia, IED, bi-polar, chronic depression, self-mutalation, etc) or become suicidal.
Or the worst part date an abuser
He's obviously a sucky lawyer.
@@FaithAndLoveFaithAndLove Isn't that always the case? Why would he be unless he was related to them or something like that.
If he guessed it was coming, wouldn't he have to report it as a lawyer? I'm guessing here.
@@captainKbobkeeshan As a lawyer and a human being.
Don't think showing the child crying was necessary. Its exploitation of a child.
Men if your GF or wife do not want to be with you. Step away and start a new life. RIP.
My deepest heartfelt condolences go out to the woman’s mom and young daughter that have been left behind I’m truly truly sorry for your loss!!
DO NOT TAKE VIDEO OF THAT GRIEVING CHILD AND PUT IT ON THE INTERNET. What kind of people have we become?!?!?!
Maybe these aggressive men to see the reality of what happens
@@MissAnkh_ahthey feed off of it. It does nobody any good, those kids deserve to grieve in peace
Money and for show. Do we really believe the news anymore or trust they have morals??? Because I definitely don’t.
kook, the family agreed to all this, this is video from our local kine stations, all of it.
u gun-addicted mainland kooks are far diff.. this is rare in Hawaii, thus why it national news now
@@MissAnkh_ahgood one eve
Absolutely tragic...😢 I pray for that family and those little girls. My heart breaks for them. 💔
Stop telling abused women to get restraining orders. Courts often force this as a first step. It can and often does escalate abuse and gives a false sense of security. All it does it make a woman feel safer when in actuality she is not. That child is forever traumatized and now is an orphan because our system failed her and her mother.
Just seeing that little girl is so sad. Praying for the family.
Completely delusional and out of touch lawyer. This behavior is textbook manipulative behavior. A never ending abusive cycle. Reconciliation should have never been an option. The system failed her and her kids and that lawyer needs to retire.
Welcome to the systemic misogyny in America.
He's just saying that because what else would you expect his lawyer to say? "All the signs were there, I just ignored them"?
Yes, actually. Professional accountability would be refreshing, tbh 🤔
Everyone in Hawaii is delusional.. have you lived there? They're probably still wearing face masks
I think a lot of lawyers and even counselors are ignorant of narcissistic personality disorder. Our counselor and my ex-inlaws (probably also narcs) always pointed the finger to me, and I gladly sought to correct myself. My ex had everyone fooled, even the counselor whom I really trusted.
Yeah I was like who is this talking sideways?
My heart goes out to her children and loved ones. May she rest in peace. Restraining orders aren't worth the time they take to print.
Hawaii has the highest domestic violence cases in the US. 1 out of 3 relationships experience it!!! Crazy
That lawyer saying he never saw this coming annoyed my spirit. This is why I quit family law. The many times I would tell male lawyers about their male clients' threats against my clients AND ME just to be ignored or told I was being dramatic are too numerous to count.
Instead of identifying the most amicable solution, they often fuel the flames of discord amongst the parties for more money. Threats of killing oneself over a break-up should not be taken lightly.
Maybe if they stopped dismissing obvious signs of instability and violent behavior, they'd be able to intervene. I don't know. But saying you never saw this coming should be a wake-up call to the type of behavior you ignore or dismiss.
My lawyer said she had lost a previous client to an abusive ex husband. That being said, the judge still did not take us seriously.
A woman in the DV support group I joined was killed.
My ex was not recommended to have unsupervised visits with the kids after a court ordered psych exam and the judge gave him it anyways (despite him being homeless).
I used to think the horror stories were the exception. I think …. Sometimes it works out. My kids and I are still here…. So that’s good. But, we need some huge reform.
I’m so sorry for this little girl, mother and family. That man most certainly did need the help she wanted him to get.
@francinesanchez5402 you are absolutely correct that reform is needed. I often say family law is the most vile, insidious practice I've ever witnessed. The amount of manipulation, plotting, and entrapment that occurs is astronomical. Attorneys even do it to each other. It gets very nasty.
I once had to represent a client (my boss didn't want to deal with him but still wanted the money) who was bold enough to threaten his estranged wife IN COURT during the hearing. There was no controlling him, but the judge yelled at me from the bench to get control of my client. It was crazy. When I told him to stop the threats and behave appropriately, he threatened me! And then the judge threatened to hold ME in contempt of court since I couldn't "control" him. What are the bailiffs there for? I felt like I was in the twilight zone.
I demanded that my boss either take back over his case or terminate his representation due to his threats. He made a joke that it wasn't much money anyway and terminated representation. So many things wrong with the legal system.
@@francinesanchez5402No way. According to the manosphere of internet women live in easy mode and always have the upper hand in court.
Not disagreeing with the OP's post, although if we are concerned about Safety and Justice and Truth then let us mean that for ALL individuals. Let's not make this a Male Bad / Women Innocent point. Domestic Violence is a serious issue and women are NOT guilt-free from doling out abuse as well. The most extreme violence is meted out by men, but various forms of abuse are perpetrated by wives upon husbands as well as mothers upon their children.
To any extent that the legal system has blind spots, sexism, and basically support of injustice towards women AND men, then can't we all here agree that reforms need to occur? ( The "Manosphere" has legitimate gripes over injustices they experienced after divorce, for example, regarding favoritism towards their ex-wives. Don't mock their pain, just as women ought not to be mocked over their pain and traumas experienced in their previous marriages. )
Some people are too naïve to be lawyers.
This is so heartbreaking. Nobody belongs to you, let them go.
Women needed to be more protected when we say were scared or going to die. Authorities need to take this serious.
All women: Move in silence. Do NOT announce that you want a divorce or you intend to exit an abusive relationship. Take yourself and your family and leave ASAP. Leave all material possessions behind since they can always be replaced. You can never replace your life. Plan your exit and stay gone forever. Stay safe. ❤
Ladies forget the restraining order. Get a PEACEMAKER. He probably had a tracking device on her vehicle or phone.
What do you mean by peacemaker? A weapon?
@@jackie41083 yip
Restraining orders don't stop anyone on a mission. But a Bullet will. I whole heartedly believe in protecting yourself My heart goes out to this family. I pray peace over this family especially the child who lost both parents.
I say this all the time, RESTRAINING ORDERS, do not work, we women have to learn to protect ourselves, I keep going back to that Movie with JENNIFER LOPEZ, "ENOUGH " we have to train ourselves and prepare, these abusers do not stop.
@@patriciajones6771 right
@@FaithAndLoveFaithAndLove right
@@FaithAndLoveFaithAndLove I've never met a person that could keep their mask from slipping after a certain period of time. Not one.
But if you rush into things you can be fooled by these monsters because they don't have to keep up the Masquerade for very long, just long enough to get you to the alter.
If a man or woman claims to be in love with you after knowing you for a short period of time, RUN. IF they're talking about marriage. RUN FASTER.
I honestly believe that men and women who rush into relationships/marriages are instantly SUS. My first questions are: What you hiding and what is the hurry?
The answers are..
Things you would have seen IF you had waited and paid attention....JUST WAIT & The Masque Will Slip.
The whole purpose for rushing you into marriage is that women & men will try to stick with the monster just because they're married. Before you know it, it's too late. Whereas if they're just dating, they'll dump the creep at the first sight of bs and that's why rushing into marriage is so important...they know they can't keep up the Masquerade and they know you will stay longer if they marry you and kids are just another tool.
Be safe. Take your time, Watch & LISTEN.
@@FaithAndLoveFaithAndLovecorrect
My heart breaks for that Motherless child and the woman's Mother.
It makes no sense to grant visitation to a person thats considered dangerous . My heart goes out to the family. That poor little girl had to witness her dad killing her mother. He doesn't realize the pain he caused the child.
You cannot be around someone that threatens to take their own life...the poor woman and her kids.😢
One should never be with a woman who makes you want to take your own life. But sometimes a man might take such person first before themselves. Ultimately, the children pay the price for being with such people.
She wanted help and counselling...how is it her fault that he wanted to take his own life and murder her in front of the KIDS?!
@@user-jv4wh7fi9j One should never give ANYONE the power to control their emotional or mental state of being. One should always be mature enough to understand that NO ONE is responsible for their happiness but them.
One should also be aware that only they are responsible for their actions and that includes the taking of their life and the lives of others.
If one is the type to blame everyone for their BS they are maladjusted and should seek help to resolve their inability to grow TF up and own their 💩. and do not seek relationships until they've resolved their issues of blaming people as opposed to taking responsibility For their OWN LIFE.
Bottom line-Marriage is for WELL ADJUSTED AND MATURE MEN & WOMEN. If you have not reached that point in your life-Do NOT waste someone's(Who has reached that place) time, do not reproduce, and do not blame others for your lack of maturity and mental stability. MOVE ON!
@@Diana734it’s 2 sides to every story I feel sorry for the child tho
@@RicardoCrayYes there are 2 sides to every story but SHE IS DEAD. How are you going to defend that?
Quit asking people experiencing domestic abuse and violence to get restraining orders! They should be considered an option, not a requirement to prove you're serious about leaving an abusive relationship! My ex nearly killed me just for filing for divorce! I'm sure he would have if I'd had him served like a "criminal". Calling the police led to accusations of trying to get him fired, among other things. The person inside the relationship knows the abuser best and can usually tell you what support or resources they'd need to get out. Unless you're willing to provide those support services or a full-time body guard, don't tell anyone they "need" or "have to" get a restraining order for protection. That order doesn't do anything to actually protect you.
DV is a criminal offence in the UK.
This is the reason I won't get married! When I say that people think I'm crazy but look at all these crazy news and trust me it's so much worse in the middle east, women are killed every minute.
That poor lil girl! Her heart must be so heavy
I have been through this myself, thank the Lord I was not killed. You think, oh not me, he wouldn’t do that. You NEVER know what is going on in someone else’s mind. If there are signs get out. Separate yourself from the situation. Time and space going some where that he does not know where you are. That’s what you have to do. My heart breaks for her daughter and family. I pray for your peace and Gods comfort in the years to come. ❤
More than not women go out with men with money and then there's a problem with the guy I have no sympathy.
Jesus is LORD. 😏
@@rickhammond2473 💀 Is this the '90s or early 2000s? Women have their own money today. You should be aware of that. If they're smart enough to stay away from you and ones like you it's because of your demonic personality and actions NOT because of the state of your bank account.
I've been asked for money by random men numerous times. I've never asked any random person for anything.
Take responsibility and accountability.
@@rickhammond2473how inapropiate comment to do in this situation
@@rickhammond2473imagine siding with a killer. Just because you hate women. That says a lot about you
A child's absolute worst nightmare. God help her!
It's not the worst! But it's up there!
Poor little girl traumatized now!!! Men that killed the mother of their kids are cowards and evil!!!! Leaving your kids without either parent 🥺
This is absolutely awful. That poor child is traumatized. And the grandmother is heartbroken. I will lift this family in prayer. 🙏🏾💔
What a sick world that we live in. This woman’s life was taken away, and this dude traumatized his own children by letting them watch, and endure this. Absolutely sickening. My deepest condolences to her family.
I am SO TIRED of hearing of men killing their current or former partners. This just happened to my friends sister in my city. She left him because of abuse, met a few days before Christmas to discuss what to do with the 3 kids they have for the holidays, he kidnapped her and was missing for days until he was arrested 4 states away. She is most likely dead and he won't tell where her body is. Kids have no one on Christmas. I barely survived leaving my relationship, i was stalked for years. Why do these men feel like they own women and children?? Why not just separate and be normal? This is literally an epidemic and nothing is ever done but protective orders which do NOTHING to help!!
Than delete UA-cam jesus
The thing to do to avoid these kinds of scenarios is to be cooperative, a quality that many women severely lack in the West. If you want the best outcome for the kids, its best to be cooperative as parents and not be uncooperative which may lead to unnecessary violence. Everything happens for a reason and in this case, she did something to that man (which we don’t know) that triggered this event. Also, the police are not supposed to be your Heros wearing capes.
@@xAmiinShut it. These men being unhinged has nothing to do with redpill incel talking points.
@@Princetonian4eva Your feelings and emotions have nothing to do with the talking points at hand. And by the way, i couldn’t care less about this instagram thot that got murdered. I will reiterate what i said in my previous comment, the police are not supposed to be your Heros and will never be. You either cooperate or face the possibility of similar consequences. Femcel.
@@xAmiin So basically, don't date men unless you want to become his slave.
And this is why it’s difficult for victims to leave their abusive relationships. Don’t victim blame
Omg he traumatized his own daughter by killing his wife in front of their daughter!!! Horrible, this little girl is going to need a life time of therapy. The little girl crying is so sad 😢.
That little girl is going to carry that trauma with her the rest of her life, that is super low for a man to do that to a child.
they never do enough to protect these women and their children, and this happens over and over. it makes me so angry. my heart is with her family and children.
That’s what happens when men are given more rights and prioritized over everyone else in the country and are constantly excused for insane and illegal actions. So sick of it.
@co9713
The problem with the world is there are a whole bunch of stupid people out there and they need help…
Don’t you wish they listen to you?
Not happening , it is what it is..
Everyone want this world to change..
People only change for the worst..
Who is right and who is wrong?
Everyone point finger at each other..
We are all imperfect human being we need God…
Many people will tell you they don’t believe in God.
Not believing in God meaning
There will be lawlessness..
Now the world become lawlessness…
And everyone wonder why this world is crazy…
But no worry, there is still hope..
God is the creator of all things.
He will return and wipe away all evil and happiness will be restore..
You angry? You can only find peace in the Lord above.
No women on this planet should feel entitled to protection by any stranger roaming around the streets. And the police are not supposed to be your ‘Heros’ to save the day when something goes wrong. If you want to feel safe going out seek a good man and know your place in your relationship, simple.
@@xAmiin where is this "good man" that you're talking about? society needs to stop telling women that they should date men, because all men are sexist.
@@xAmiinA good man the jokes write themselves all you men are red flags 🚩
Currently separated from my husband after experiencing both domestic abuse and serving him not one but two restraining orders. Dont let anyone make you feel guilty for how long it took for you to see true colors, just leave as soon as you do!!! Rip to this young lady 💔
The pain the little girl is going through, oh man breaks my heart there are people out here going through real battles
This is why police NEED to listen. More often than not dv victims are penalised or treated like they are criminals (speaking from experience) rather than the party who is guilty of abuse. It is horrendous and this poor girl will now have to live with the fact that her mother is gone
This!!!
Why on earth would the court give a man that dangerous to himself and others any unsupervised visitation?!!!
Because the courts favor men over women, in every single scenario, even when it does not logically make sense.
Parental rights trump children’s right. Men’s rights group have been advocating for 50/50 custody and most courts will move towards that even if the man had a history of abusing the mother. They assume that just because abused her, doesn’t mean that he abuses the children which is just not true at all.
@@user-wz6ck6qk8k The courts favour men when women get custody of the kids literally 99% of the time ? Nice joke there, Ms Uneducated individual.
The courts should absolutely give fathers the time to visit their kids and should be a form of basic right. Since the fathers are the ones paying child support the majority of the time, then they should be able to see their kids, regardless of their history. Men are human beings not uncontrollable monsters.
@@xAmiinWell, this guy proved your theory wrong. Anyone who has a history of abuse should NOT be granted unsupervised visitation. How many have murdered their ex-spouses/partners AND children? How many more will it take for the penny to drop? And if we’re talking about “majority of the time” it is also these same men that move on to abusing or abandoning their children when they don’t have access to the mother. The story earlier this year of the man that killed his baby daughter on camera to punish the mother is proof that you’re talking nonsense.
Child support is an obligation for participating in bringing a child into the world one is not actively taking care of full time. That does NOT grant access privileges. It’s so the state doesn’t have to pay for someone else’s obligations.
Broke my heart to see and hear the little girl and the fact she witnessed it 💔 I pray for all of them 🙏🏼
So selfish of this coward to take the life of this beautiful woman but to also take the mother of his daughter and leave her with no parents is so sad.
This just makes you want to stay single forever.
Nah women just got to stop picking losers
Yup men are out of control.
@@marcelotapia3970like you?
@@marcelotapia3970- why are there so many losers on the dating pool to choose from?
@@ecclairmayo4153 doesn’t matter how many there are. You pick them
How sad for the kids, mother, and all family members. 🙏🙏🙏
Do you feel sad for the man who worked hard and give everything to his family but is going to be kicked out from the family with nothing?
🎉 welcome to the real world
@@annan7728😂just the way it is baby
@@annan7728imagine siding with the killer. and y’all say women are dramatic and emotional. Anger is an emotion remember that.
@@IDONTGIVEAF-ew6bw Don't fake the protection if the restraining order can't protect any one but is to create the financial advantages to strip another one out.
I am a woman.
Rip❤ She looked like a very sweet and loved person by family.
I'm tired of these cowards
We have seen this same tragedy far too many times. My suggestion: If you arrive at the conclusion that a restraining order is needed, take the next important step immediately and begin making plans to fully protect yourself and children against possible scenarios where you could be harmed by the other person. Take precautions even though these may be costly and/or inconvenient, at least on a temporary basis. This provides the time necessary to observe the behavior of the person who is the threat to determine the level of risk of an attack. Filing a Restraining Order can be a 'trigger', and this must be fully considered. As the song says, "There must be 50 ways to leave your lover". Choose wisely.
sounds easy? its not. even if you carry if they want to hurt you they will.; narc rage. she needs hide for a while. having a child complicates things. sad when others blame the victim. im sure he never grew up being told no. immature and vindictive
Thankyou! So many women need to hear this.
Restraining orders only apply from a legal standpoint if the person being retrained steps over it. Its useless until then because it doesn't do anything. Also as the saying goes "the more fool proof you make it, the smarter the fool becomes". I dont think you're wrong at all, I do think its something to consider if you are getting a restraining order but also if you plan to get one. Talk with a lawyer and make sure you really understand what it does and when it applies. At the same time as you see in the story, it didn't take very long for that line to be stepped over. So even if you had preparations, they may do nothing. It is still important to choose who you date and marry because so often people do say "well there was no signs", that can be a toss of the coin. Signs could have been there but they were ignored for the first 3 months. People are just so casual about relationships that they dont consider who they date. Many just dont want to be alone and they'll be casual. Then we can consider how they live their lifestyle and that impacts who you attract. Some people are very good actors and I say that as someone who has a former sister in-law who ended up as a complete psycho.
Some women know the dude is crazy but still get married just to have a wedding. 🤦🤷♂️
In Iceland, when a restraining order is granted a monitor is placed on the alleged perpetrator. If he comes within a certain number of feet from the victim’s home or workplace, the cops are notified and the perp is immediately picked up. Because of this law, these types of murders are non existent.
More needs to be done about domestic violence, this is not the first incident this year let’s not forget the girl that was murdered by her boyfriend at Mililani high school because she was trying to leave him or the young girl who had acid thrown on her at 24hr fitness by her ex boyfriend, its disgusting how these men treat women
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why aren’t Both of those stories on the news US wide?! That is insane! People need to know exactly how Bad things are getting for women!!
Women need to stop chasing bad boys. More often than not women get themselves involved with toxic men they know are not good for them but women have no idea how to pick good men these days. This is why I admire other cultures who have the parents take a more active role in picking a husband/wife for their children. American dating culture is toxic.
Heartbreaking especially for the lil girl
So deeply sorry, may she rest peacefully and God receive her spirit.
A restraining order does squat to keep you safe. It's simply more red tape for the victim to deal with as they attempt to leave their abuser.
I am so glad her mom is there for those precious children. Prayers for the family.
Scary that the lawyer thought that they could reconcile after what was going on.
How sick of him to traumatize his daughter by killing her mother in front of her.
Ladies - stay armed... because this KEEPS happening.
She also needed martial arts classes because he was not going to stop.
@@lauralarrabee7870U are correct! Learn as many ways to defend yourself as possible. All a restraining order can do is give the nut a paper cut! Get training in weapons, martial arts, boxing--as much as possible. Also--check out anyone you're dating. U never know what u may find! Hopefully u will never need to use these skills. But--if u DO-- don't hesitate--protect yourself! Worked for me.
My dad taught me early
This is happening WAY too much right now. Why is un aliving someone even an option?
Grandma once told me: „Beware of women who don’t pluck their eyebrows, and men who do.“
That little girl is the focus now. She needs alot of love. My heart feels this
Ladies, make exit plans the first time anything weird happens. And don't tell people about it because he will somehow find out. Leave QUIET. We have no obligation to take care of these grown men. We need to keep ourselves and our children safe.
Stop granting visitation when there’s been spousal abuse 🤬
Talk about insecure! Many many men cannot handle relationship issues. Some great advice to women: Never date an insecure and/or jealous man, NEVER.
Then men should have to do the same thing to women Because women showed these attributes more than any man has ever has.. I would not ever make a such hypocritical And contradicting And condescending And absurd statement as you has. To me this is a tragedy
This shows of a woman who is irresponsible and does not like being hold accountable and thinks relationships or morally. Marriage is just a game and that she can leave. Whenever she wants, That she'll take the Finances and the goodies of the husband but then don't take the husband.. more importantly, she think it's a Game or Burden or
A job or just to make money. She doesn't want to accept The hard work that comes with achieving those things.. But more importantly She does not want to accept marriage but yet being married. To accept the goodies of marriage, so she don't have to work for the hard things in life.
And Don't accept the special things And responsibility about marriage. That makes it special because. Whether If it The consequences of her own actions or What she has been taught all her life By the world and. her mother's and grandmother's to be an independent. Strong Woman who rebellious against her husband and constantly Motionally neglectomore or abuse them. And think that their never be no consequences. For their own actions.
And marriage completely destroys this delusion that the world has made.. And she does not want to accept That. it's not okay for her to Rebelling Or have any responsibility for her husband.
Or it's Not okay to hurt or abuse or neglect her husband.
Especially when the world makes her feel better And more comfortable About her neglect for an abuse. Because hes just a soulless tree that she can take money off of whenever she wants.. But marriage makes her. needs to Be dependence trueful and Faithful cearing and humble and quiet and meek. to her husband. fulfill and help him his needs. As the husband should do the same. Her
But she has to realize that it's not just about her. It's about him and he has a soul. And it's not just some game where she can take advantage of her husband and not have any consequences from it and can leave whenever she wants.
marriage breaks the delusion that men are Souless trees that they can just Take money off of whenever they want.
And leave to rot.
I'm only talking about women. In general,
Trust me if this was in reverse, everybody would be sympathizing with her.. Rather than condemning her
@BackroomExplained2 We'll of course this works both ways. All I am saying is stay away from insecure, jealous and controlling people.
Never marry a jerk.
Someone’s the “jerk” doesn’t show his true colors for a long time.
“Just leave him & get a restraining order “ she did, and this happened. I’m sorry but every time this happens, that’s all I can think about, how often stupid men say that she should just leave him and get a restraining order or like that’s not the most dangerous thing to do in the situation. Women in these situations need protection and we as a society need to be better about offering it. And men need to stop making excuses for stupid abusive men, and hold them accountable and protect women.
This man is a monster. Too many out there... parents, teach your sons to be better humans.
We don't need you telling other people what to do
Once again make it about gender😪
The gender aspect in this situations is soooo hard to discuss or understand because if we go back, the question is, who are raising these men?.... We, women 🤷🏻♀️ so, I guess the world just went crazy because it doesn't matter who raise these monsters or what they're taught, men and women are hurting each other all the time 😢
Parents teach your daughters not to be promiscuous.
My heart breaks for her loved ones. For her children and her mother - Lord, please grant them peace, healing and endless support during this horrific tragedy. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
My heart breaks for the child crying for her parents. Specially during the holidays. I pray God gives them comfort and peace.
I hope magistrates and judges watch this and stop granting unsupervised visits of young children with abusive parents.
I’ve been working in family law for decades and I will never understand this need for ultimate control some people have. This man gave absolutely no thought to what this would do to his child. I feel so bad for this little girl. I hope her family gets her into therapy. 😢
I'm wondering... if he was on some kind of steroid. I'm taking a wild guess here.
@@captainKbobkeeshan it’s a possibility. Substance abuse is something I see a lot in divorce and domestic violence cases.
I don't understand it either . But I also don't understand women and men that get married , want benefits of marriage ( car, money ,stability, emotional care, ect) but still want to be bimbos on the weekend , party , have male and female friends that are bad influence on building a solid healthy family nucleaus. People dont know what marriage is. This guy is a criminal, sick and there is no excuse.
Family law is evil yall don’t care about family
Probably undiagnosed mental illness. The stigma with it is crippling for some.
Thats terrible, I cant imagine being that young and seeing that kind of thing happen to my mom right in front of me. I pray that this event hasn't changed her life trajectory and her life is full of positivity and happiness in the future.
"I want my mommy back." This country has to do better.
That is correct, this country has to do better. That poor child, I pray she receives counseling, she will need so much support.
Yes, we need to be able to protect ourselves. Firearms are great equalizers.
That ship has sailed unfortunately ...
This has nothing to do with the country. I guarantee he was like this from day one and she ignored the hundreds of red flags until it was too late. Not to mention why would you ever have a child with someone who has all these issues. The lesson is that if you see the red flags at the start you need to run.
america is toast.
My daughter dated someone in high school whose father committed murder/suicide in front of him and his little sister when they were young. They never got over it and he could never sustain normal relationships. My daughter found out he cheated on her so she broke up with him. I never felt animosity towards him but he needed more therapy than he and his baby sister received. His sister is doing much better. I just wish the mothers would take the children and leave before tragedy occurs. I did with my 3.
She did leave. Most women are killed when they leave, or shortly thereafter, and visitation is a common way to force contact after she leaves. Glad you were able to get away with your kids, but not everyone does, and it's not their fault. It is the fault of the one who does the murdering, not the one who is murdered.
@@CreaticityIsLife I agree with you and I’m sorry you thought I was blaming the mother. It absolutely is the fault of the murderer, this was so tragic.
Omg my heart broke when the little girl was crying for her mom. 💔😭
Omg poor little girl. I cannot believe that. That heartless man. To take her mother AND do it in front of her? He’s gutless and needs to rot in prison
I'm telling you, growing up in Hawai'i, a whole lot of Hawaiians get mad jealous and controlling of their significant others. More-so, the men. They freak out and lose it. I'm not saying that all of us are like that but I've seen it TOO MANY times there. It's sad.
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Sweet little girl. I am so sorry you had to witness that. May God protect your little broken heart. I am so sorry this happened to you.